When you brought up Harry's rictus sempra spell against Draco, a different thought occurred to me. Harry over here literally tickling a dragon, though at least it wasn't sleeping at the time.
“Blazing with winter sunlight” makes total sense to me. Where I live we often get really bright days, but with snow. The sun reflects off the snow and creates a really obnoxious bright environment that you don’t get in summer
I can't imagine Dumbledore outting Harry about being a parselmouth in front of the whole school. Especially since it would cast suspicion on him concerning the Chamber.
38:00 dumbledore knows riddle can speak parseltongue ever since he collected him in the orphanage - riddle says, "I can speaks to snakes, too... they find me; whisper things..." or smth of the sort
and dumbledore gave harry a piercing look when they met at mrs norris petrification. so maybe that's when he assumed that harry was able to talk to snakes too and wanted to be sure about it. so he arranged the dueling club situation.
52:20 that's exactly what happens in the movie. Lockhart proposes Harry and Ron for the demonstration and then Snape says the same phrase but referring to Ron
I imagine something like this: Dumbledore: "okay severus i'm gonna make sure there's a dueling club and i need you to be there. Make sure Harry learns expelliarmus and see if you can work a snake in there somehow. Oh Gilderoy, there you are. I was just thinking how exciting and press-worthy a dueling club for the students would be, if only we had a teacher who was smart and brave and handsome enough to lead one." Lockhart: "You know Dumbledore, I just had a wonderful idea! What if i hosted a dueling club for the students?"
39:03 I believe that Dumbledore in Book 6 implies that he _suspected_ that Voldemort had made Horcruxes, and was leaning to that being the truth, but had no confirmation, but the diary was the confirmation of that suspicion. As Dumbledore says in Kings Cross, "....my guesses have usually been good".....
I was just wondering if there were subtle references. A couple episodes earlier, he says “That’s the name of the movie!” and points just like Ryan George does all the time.
Two points 1st. Snape acting like an actual teacher could be because the majority of students affected were In Slytherin House and he is always said to have a soft spot for his students. 2. He flat out tells Harry in Goblet that regrettably the use of Veritesierem on students is forbidden.
Romans had pipes 2000+ years ago. And drainage pipes can be big even 2000 years ago. So the castle could have been built with drainage that basilisk could use to get around. The Romans also had communal toilets with drained into draining channels, which could of been upgraded when more modern toilets were made.
Sometimes i wonder what the moment is going to be like when Ben and J end the last chapter.. Like. Already it’s such a big part of my sunday. I imagine feeling very lonely and sad when that moment comes. For now, i just want to thank them for this amazing podcast i never knew i needed. The best.
Harry Potter theory: Snape got so sick of Lockhart’s incompetence that he set up the Dueling Club to expose him 🤦
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About speaking another language and not knowing that you do it: I was once on a call with a person who only spoke German and standing next to a person who only spoke English and had to constantly switch to the phone and back and translate. At one point, I accidentally switched the languages and only noticed about five sentences later that nobody understood me anymore.
That happens all the time with those who can speak more than one language, the real trick is to start speaking a language you don’t even know exists.
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@@chrisblanc663 You mean just saying random syllables or what? BTW, nice timing, I was listing languages I know just a few minutes ago and am currently listening to a Carlin brothers podcast. :D
That’s cool. What languages do you know? I speak English and Spanish myself. Yeah, I just meant that Harry starts speaking a whole language that not only did he not know he knew, (Jason Borne style) but he didn’t even know that language existed prior to speaking it. That is some mad magic language skill there.
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@@chrisblanc663 Ah, OK! German native, English similarly good, deleted all school Latin from my brain, tiny bit of Japanese (want to learn a lot more next year).
I have cancer and this is my favourite weekly thing to look forwarrd to! Tea, pain meds and some reladation time. I am hoping to get to NYC for the live show.
Winter sunlight is super harsh sometimes, atleast living a up north. Since the sun is constantly not very high over the horizon. So it's in your eyes and face a lot more, and it's multiplied by the snow on the ground.
Anyone else notice how often Ben references Screen Rant’s Pitch Meetings?? “Super easy Barely an inconvenience” there were a couple in the last episode too. Love it🤣
I feel that Dumbledore was like: oh shit, Lockhart had a good idea about dueling club... I need to send competent teacher to supervise it. Snape, you go. And try not to send snake to attack Harry or smth
In my head canon, I assumed each year would have their own dueling class. Otherwise, there would be like 300 kids casting spells at each other at the same time. I don’t think even Dumbledore would be crazy enough to approve that. 😂
This podcast is definitely the highlight of my week. I also really love that you guys talk about the chapter art because the books I have don't have them so its always a fun little surprise for me when I see the thumbnail for the video. Also just randomly, the beginning of this chapter made me laugh when it says Harry clumsily ate his porridge left-handed because I've just spent 3 days in hospital myself and had that exact issue haha
You guys talking about hogwart moto reminded me of my own founders theorie: what if the moto was a warning about the chamber of secrets. I think Salazar spoke Greek and always called his basilisk « Draco » or snake in Greek. That would mean the other founders only new the basilisk as Salazar’s draco, so they warned everyone to not tickle serpentar’s sleeping monster.
@@ArthurLagace-wj7em At least the online dictionaries I've checked say that snake means φίδι (fidi) in Greek and ὄφις (óphis) in Ancient Greek, while in Latin Draco can mean both snake and dragon. 🤷
I think the points gained by Harry in Quidditch might be the difference in scoring - Gryffindor won by a 50 points margin, so that’s how many points they get on the House Cup.
I've noticed from travelling to other countries in Europe and talking to people from elsewhere that the UK does get some fairly unique light in winter, it's very low, very bright, and especially in the morning sets everything up with a, like, cold gold glow? It's what makes winter at all bearable really 😅
As far as the the dates concerning Hogwarts founding not being known, that is extremely common for the medieval era. They had records back in the day, but centuries upon centuries of having those records being attacked by the elements, neglect and rodents a lot of times sponge the precise dates from history. All it takes is a fire in the records room 700 years ago to make it so that you only know that a historical figure was born in the town but not what day the figure was born on other than General decade. That sort of thing is very common in Europe and Asia. They just sort of have to Ballpark a lot of historical dates.
Thoughts while listening... To Percy's specific relief of that statement, he's not in _another_ girl's bathroom, he's in the same one as before. I like the idea that the movies got it wrong and the basilisk actually isn't that big. Hence why it fits through the plumbing. As to the concept of wizards just disappearing their feces, I figure they switched to plumbing because all the first and maybe even second years had problems mastering the spell to make it disappear. Given his complete lack of confidence, I can see Neville falling for some pretty scammy stuff. I don't remember if he buys stuff for helping him OWLs in his fifth year, but if it occurs before he joins the DA, it would make a lot of sense. Also And about being almost a squib, there really do seem to be various degrees of magical capability. There are those like Neville who are so low initially that it doesn't even show up until they're 9 or 10, maybe even older. Rowling even stated that some wizards don't show their power until later in life. (Part of the plot to "Hogwarts: Legacy" as I understand.) Additionally, given their ability to see dementors, squibs must have at least a tiny bit of magical ability. Sometimes, the biggest sadness about Snape dying at the end of the series for me is that that there could never be a point where Harry an adult and Snape got to sit down and actually talk about the crap Harry pulled as a student. I'm sure if the two of them mellowed out in their hatred of each other, and Snape could no longer expel Harry, they might have a laugh about it. Well maybe not, but we can imagine. As far as the dueling club being only for second years, perhaps the note was enchanted so that every every year saw the meeting time and place for their group. It would also make sense if they had split it up so that other teachers (perhaps Flitwick being one of them) were holding dueling clubs at other times and/or places. Nothing to suggest this idea in the actual book, just something that occurred to me. I'm now pondering how hilarious it would have been if rictusempra had been Harry's signature spell against Voldemort instead of expelliarmus. The idea that Snape became an animagus out of spite against James is a cool idea, but falls apart on one factor. You know he would have reported James as an unregistered animagus to the ministry of magic, and then all three of them would have been known animagi instead of unregistered. It occurs to me that parcel tongue is similar to Aquaman's power. It not only lets you communicate with the animal, (sea life for Aquaman, snakes for parselmouths), but they have to obey the commands as well. Wonder which power would be stronger with sea serpents. The problem I see with Harry using steaks as spies would be that if any of them are caught and Voldemort is around, then he could easily turn the snakes against Harry. The idea of the basilisk having poor eyesight actually makes sense given that snakes are almost blind and use smell, often supplemented by feeling everything via their tongue as their primary sense. As far as the comments about how dark Voldemort was as a child, just asked Myrtle.
41:00 It's a difference of 4 years of growing up (I know I as a 12YO vs 16YO would have reacted very differently to a stern look from a teacher) but even more so it's a difference of watching Snape kill Dumbledore. Lockhart is cocky and unaware in CoS, Harry is pissed in HBP.
So castles always had a "privy", a room/area that allowed for human waste to be brought out of the castle and disposed of, usually by gravity, so the basilisk could have always used this drainage system. The invention of Indoor Plumbing wasn't about drainage, but pumping water against gravity into the building, to then be fed into the already established drainage, however, this could be done earlier via an aqueduct system, or a cistern on a roof using rainwater collection. These are of course non-magical methods, but since we know that wizards can manipulate water, it is very possible that they developed "magic indoor plumbing" centuries before Muggles made their invention. Ginny is definitely not going to Percy to tell him she's having nightmares, but he is Prefect and the older Gryffindor girls, who are witnessing Ginny's troubled sleep. would definitely feel compelled to tell the Prefect that his baby sister is having nightmares.
The difference between Snape and Flitwick in my opinion is that Flitwick is Dueling Champion in the Wizarding Sport where there are rules and regulations meanwhile Snape would be battle tested as he fought in the First Wizarding War admittedly most of that time he was in combat on the side of the Death Eaters as a loyal follower of the Dark Lord but still doesn’t take away from the fact his skill comes from live combat. Come to think of it do we know if Flitwick fought in the first Wizarding War?
Is he a member of the order? I think he only fights when it is to protect his world. His job, his students, his colleagues. Neutral good. Bites him in the ass given what happens to hogwarts in DH. Goes back to that stand for what's right or let what's wrong happen thing
I know I’ve been mentioning this for months, but so much of the important plot points in the books take place in and around bathrooms that I’d love to see a J vs Ben on bathroom trivia. lol.
I'm an Australian who moved to the UK last year. Blazing winter sun is a real thing in England - you need sunglasses in December in the cold more so than you need them in August! It's shockingly bright
I used to wait in Barnes & Noble for the new book midnight releases, then fell in love with how you guys thoroughly explore- just every aspect of the books. The family and I have watched J & Ben for years now, marveling at connections and view points I had never considered upon re-reads. I was so excited when you began this channel. Now with Through the Griffin Door I am reading each chapter on the weekends so I can listen to you guys discuss it on my daily drives to work throughout the week. It’s become my new routine. Thank you for helping me further explore the Magical World of Harry Potter in such a unique and interactive way.
Pretty Sure Malfoy says Serpentsorcia in the film too. Agree though, its a great scene in the films, thats how you translate a scene from a book to the screen. The music helps a lot too of course.
The existence of Ghost Swords and Axes calls into question if Nick could "finish the job" he's lamenting so much to not pass on himself I wouldn't be surprised if it's possible but literally *noone ever tried it* because Ghosts aren't really there to FIX the things they are lamenting, just to lament those things
As for the discussion of whether or not Dumbledore has any suspicions to Harry being a parselmouth or not, I believe this is what’s happening when he reads Harry’s mind at the end of the death day party, in Lockharts office. To elaborate, I think he can read Harry’s experience of hearing a voice nobody else could hear, and after some consideration and the circumstances being what they are, he wants to test his hypothesis.
The 50 points is deffo the amount gryffindor beat slytherin by, they always talk about winning the quidditch AND house cups is dependant on how much a team wins by, such a sim the final match in year 3
Great chapter, this was one of your best episodes yet! Love the dynamic and format of analysis, jokes & your theories Harry and Malfoy finally getting the chance to go at eachother and it being a tickle fight / dance battle is hilarious, and the idea of Harry using Parseltongue a lot more and to his advantage through the series is never going to leave my head now, some cool potential there
5:49 The winter sun is so oppressive. It makes you sweat in your heavy coat. But you can’t take it off or you’ll freeze. “Blazing winter sun” is very accurate.
Why doesn't anyone question where Ginny is going alone in her 1st year when a monster is loose in the school? Is Riddle making her invisible, casting obliviate or the imperious on everyone in her vicinity to go unnoticed?
I have a love-hate relationship with this chapter. On one hand, it is quite memorable and fun. But on the other hand, it is so close to being That much better. In all of book one, Harry never uses a spell 'onscreen', nor does he in the first half of book two. The first time he uses a spell 'onscreen' is in this chapter, and it is immediately after learning Expelliarmus. He was THIS CLOSE to having his first spell be his signature spell. But instead, it is the tickling curse. *facepalm* Then again, Never tickle a sleeping dragon, but Do tickle a dueling Draco. Kind of fun.
It says in book 6 that "Little Amy Benson and Dennis Bishop were never quite right again" (or something along those lines) though the matron at the orphanage couldn't say what he had done to them. It always seemed to me that he did something to them more than "just" taking them with him. I had never thought of them as adults being some of the infiri, though I like the idea (woah that sounds wrong). Is it a known fact that the infiri is murdered muggles?
If you think about what the Death Eaters did to the muggles at the campground after the World Cup: making them float upside down in the air and torturing them-- causing them physical pain. I think that's pretty much what was done to the two kids from the orphanage in the cave.
Snape acting like a real teacher... first: he was obviously going to test that swelling potion on the students anyway, so he had the potion ready. Also the students who got splashed were likely mostly Slytherins.as it was coming out of a Slytherin cauldron. Snape is helping the dueling club because Dumbledore wants him to be there to keep the students safe. Lockheart is obviously incompetent when it comes to healing and counter-curses (see the rubber arm incident). And a dueling club is designed to make students to curse/charm each other, a recipe for disaster without a competent wizard around.
Oh, yes, I presume Hagrid received permission from Dumbleydore, to perform magic as needed. These stories are from Harry's perspective. Doubt they would include any/all of Haggard's requests.
What if ginny tried to confess to percy but he didn't believe her. One year later when sirius is standing over ron with a knife, percy said to mcgonnagal that ron had a "nightmare". Percy just doesn't believe his younger siblings, when crazy stuff happens
My Head-Canon for Harry being so in tune with snakes is that it's not being a Parselmouth, but is from being a Horcrux, and that gives him a bit of Voldemort's *_Experience_* with being a Parselmouth.
Now I got a visual of Malfoy doing the same dance moves as Star Lord in Guardians of the Galaxy during their dance off... I cannot unsee this... great series, guys, cannot wait to see it live!
Oh I was hoping you'd bring this up but the green onion is likely to be a Gurdyroot given to Neville by Luna in the section where Neville buys some useless protective artifacts at 25:00. In fact, in OOTP/HBP, the gurdyroot is shown to be like a green onion. Even theorized on Pottermore
@37:33 He's known Tom is a Parseltongue since. first meeting at the orphanage. He's known Tom opened the chamber before since he was Transfiguration Teacher and wanted Tom to come clean about what he was doing, especially after it escalated to the death of a person.
I genuinely believe Dumbledore may be a seer or simply astute in astrology. He may not be able to predict events with certainty, but he can make an informed guess about the most probable outcomes and ensure Snape is positioned accordingly.
Dumbledore's office is close to Gryffindor tower. That's how Hermione got the books about how to make a Horcrux, she summoned them to her from her dormitory. So hey! Slytherin put things in a girl's bathroom, Gryffindor's office has a view of the girl's dorm, and everybody has a telescope!
Oh it would be so great if you did a video with all the Ginny red herring lines at the end of the book. That would be so cool. Are you going to record and upload all of the Through the Griffin Tour? And will each date be on the same chapter or different ones? So love watching on TH-cam. First day the Closed Captions are hilarious. I have noticed they go back and change some words. The spells at one point were just random letters.
I could imagine a few Slytherins with pet snakes. Seems pretty fitting for them to keep snakes and try to learn parseltongue. The slytherins were probably jealous when they heard Harry speaking parseltongue at the dueling club wishing they could do it too. It’s definitely more than just ‘learning the language’, like Ben and J said it’s an innate ability to control and understand snakes.
Living in Colorado, it makes a lot of sense. But it’s not a sense of heat, but refers to the intensity, how bright it is. As for Quidditch and House points I always thought the difference of score, in the game, was added to the Cup points. As an example, 180-160, the winning team received 20 points towards the House Cup.
I don't get Ben's argument with the Quidditch points. It's extremely obvious that sentence means winning the game awarded the house 50 points and that's how the system works. The reason Percy tells Harry he won Gryffindor 50 points is because Harry caught the snitch, they often say that Harry won them the match because he's the seeker and getting them those 150 points.
Random thought, initial offices for the founders Gryfindor-behind the Gargoyle statue with the Griffin door Slytherin-the room that was turned into the bathroom that was on top of the chamber Ravenclaw-Room of requirement Hufflepuff- Great Hall/Kitchen
I apparently never noticed or looked at the chapter art too hard. I always just assumed it was Lockhart being thrown back by expelliarmus during the duel. I Never saw that he had a sword or that his head was mostly off. My mind is blown. 😅
It could be like in cooking where you're not supposed to add some ingredients until after the entree is done. Like you don't add sour cream to stroganoff until you're ready to serve.
My favorite lines of the chapter:
“Lockhart cuffed Harry merrily on the shoulder. ‘Just do what I did, Harry!’
‘What, drop my wand?’”
😂😂😂
I always love how sassy book Harry is.
Love his sass. So unmatched
Maybe the twins could match his sass… maybe. I guess Snape too, but he crosses the line into bullying, imo.
Lol 😆
When you brought up Harry's rictus sempra spell against Draco, a different thought occurred to me. Harry over here literally tickling a dragon, though at least it wasn't sleeping at the time.
“Blazing with winter sunlight” makes total sense to me. Where I live we often get really bright days, but with snow. The sun reflects off the snow and creates a really obnoxious bright environment that you don’t get in summer
Obnoxious is a great word to describe that overly bright winter sunlight
Snow blind we call it
It’s also bakes you inside your coat when it’s too cold to go without one.
I can't imagine Dumbledore outting Harry about being a parselmouth in front of the whole school. Especially since it would cast suspicion on him concerning the Chamber.
I agree and was thinking the same thing
38:00 dumbledore knows riddle can speak parseltongue ever since he collected him in the orphanage - riddle says, "I can speaks to snakes, too... they find me; whisper things..." or smth of the sort
You were absolutely right I was surprised they didn’t remember that
and dumbledore gave harry a piercing look when they met at mrs norris petrification. so maybe that's when he assumed that harry was able to talk to snakes too and wanted to be sure about it. so he arranged the dueling club situation.
52:20 that's exactly what happens in the movie. Lockhart proposes Harry and Ron for the demonstration and then Snape says the same phrase but referring to Ron
I imagine something like this: Dumbledore: "okay severus i'm gonna make sure there's a dueling club and i need you to be there. Make sure Harry learns expelliarmus and see if you can work a snake in there somehow. Oh Gilderoy, there you are. I was just thinking how exciting and press-worthy a dueling club for the students would be, if only we had a teacher who was smart and brave and handsome enough to lead one." Lockhart: "You know Dumbledore, I just had a wonderful idea! What if i hosted a dueling club for the students?"
39:03 I believe that Dumbledore in Book 6 implies that he _suspected_ that Voldemort had made Horcruxes, and was leaning to that being the truth, but had no confirmation, but the diary was the confirmation of that suspicion. As Dumbledore says in Kings Cross, "....my guesses have usually been good".....
Ben pinging out Ryan George catchphrases here I'm all for it "wow, wow, wow... wow" and "super easy, barely an inconvenience."
I caught that too. And appreciated it tremendously.
HUGE MOMENT FOR THOSE WHO KNOW!
Quoting Ryan George is tight! 😉
I was just wondering if there were subtle references. A couple episodes earlier, he says “That’s the name of the movie!” and points just like Ryan George does all the time.
Every time Ben says that pipes are only a couple inches wide i wanna tell him "ummm CASTLE..…"
Right . Pipes seems like a terrible description for tunnels.
I mean even then are we saying pipes would be several feet in diameter
dragon guts
@ LMAO 🤣
Ginny's boggart taking a form of a diary:
"What is that, Ginny? A Death Note?"
After this book, there needs to be a J vs. Ben all about Lockhart's robes. 😂
43:13 Ben: "Really, Harry? After all this time?"
Harry: "Always"
Haha love it.
Fits the dialog perfectly
Two points
1st. Snape acting like an actual teacher could be because the majority of students affected were In Slytherin House and he is always said to have a soft spot for his students.
2. He flat out tells Harry in Goblet that regrettably the use of Veritesierem on students is forbidden.
Romans had pipes 2000+ years ago. And drainage pipes can be big even 2000 years ago. So the castle could have been built with drainage that basilisk could use to get around. The Romans also had communal toilets with drained into draining channels, which could of been upgraded when more modern toilets were made.
Yes , this.
Pipes don't have to be pvc 😂
It's a castle it doesn't need plastic piping.
Who else has been waiting for the legendary Goofball Lockhart vs Snivelus Snape duel???
Meeee
Meeeeeeeee too
I love the Ben casually references Pitch Meeting multiple times in this episode
I almost thought I had imagined that!
Super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Hey! He said the name of the thing! ... I've caught J referencing him too lol
@@brookchristy8311 true. J even once opened a video with "wow wow wow. Wow"
THATS WHAT I SAID! I thought I was crazy. Thank you for also noticing
Sometimes i wonder what the moment is going to be like when Ben and J end the last chapter.. Like. Already it’s such a big part of my sunday. I imagine feeling very lonely and sad when that moment comes. For now, i just want to thank them for this amazing podcast i never knew i needed. The best.
Harry Potter theory: Snape got so sick of Lockhart’s incompetence that he set up the Dueling Club to expose him 🤦
About speaking another language and not knowing that you do it: I was once on a call with a person who only spoke German and standing next to a person who only spoke English and had to constantly switch to the phone and back and translate. At one point, I accidentally switched the languages and only noticed about five sentences later that nobody understood me anymore.
That happens all the time with those who can speak more than one language, the real trick is to start speaking a language you don’t even know exists.
@@chrisblanc663 You mean just saying random syllables or what?
BTW, nice timing, I was listing languages I know just a few minutes ago and am currently listening to a Carlin brothers podcast. :D
That’s cool. What languages do you know? I speak English and Spanish myself.
Yeah, I just meant that Harry starts speaking a whole language that not only did he not know he knew, (Jason Borne style) but he didn’t even know that language existed prior to speaking it. That is some mad magic language skill there.
@@chrisblanc663 Ah, OK!
German native, English similarly good, deleted all school Latin from my brain, tiny bit of Japanese (want to learn a lot more next year).
38:00 well Voldemort literally told Dumbledore he could speak to snakes when they first met at the orphanage
I have cancer and this is my favourite weekly thing to look forwarrd to! Tea, pain meds and some reladation time. I am hoping to get to NYC for the live show.
Get well soon
Like, ya know ... like, ya know ... like, ya know ... .
I'm booking tickets hopefully this week so see you guys in NYC!
Winter sunlight is super harsh sometimes, atleast living a up north. Since the sun is constantly not very high over the horizon.
So it's in your eyes and face a lot more, and it's multiplied by the snow on the ground.
Dying at the idea of Harry’s pet snake just being a chad and solving the plot of Prisoner in a tight 15.
Anyone else notice how often Ben references Screen Rant’s Pitch Meetings?? “Super easy Barely an inconvenience” there were a couple in the last episode too. Love it🤣
Yes!! He also said “wow wow wow” 😂
The best notification of the week!
Agreed
I feel that Dumbledore was like: oh shit, Lockhart had a good idea about dueling club... I need to send competent teacher to supervise it. Snape, you go. And try not to send snake to attack Harry or smth
In my head canon, I assumed each year would have their own dueling class. Otherwise, there would be like 300 kids casting spells at each other at the same time. I don’t think even Dumbledore would be crazy enough to approve that. 😂
When cats are startled they jump, maybe Mrs Norris jumped in fright and got tangled in the lamp, or whatever it was...
This podcast is definitely the highlight of my week. I also really love that you guys talk about the chapter art because the books I have don't have them so its always a fun little surprise for me when I see the thumbnail for the video.
Also just randomly, the beginning of this chapter made me laugh when it says Harry clumsily ate his porridge left-handed because I've just spent 3 days in hospital myself and had that exact issue haha
In Scotland, we are so far north that the winter sun is VERY low in the sky. On a sunny day, you bet your ass that is going to blind you
57:57 I was thinking- oh, kind of like a Snake Whisperer… and then I laughed so hard at myself 😂
You guys talking about hogwart moto reminded me of my own founders theorie: what if the moto was a warning about the chamber of secrets. I think Salazar spoke Greek and always called his basilisk « Draco » or snake in Greek. That would mean the other founders only new the basilisk as Salazar’s draco, so they warned everyone to not tickle serpentar’s sleeping monster.
I love this! It doesn’t fit into their theory on “the castle was a dragon” but I think I might like it better
Sure you don’t mean Latin instead of Greek? O.o But great theory!
Actually, draco is both a Greek and latin word. It means snake in Greek and dragon in latin
@@ArthurLagace-wj7em At least the online dictionaries I've checked say that snake means φίδι (fidi) in Greek and ὄφις (óphis) in Ancient Greek, while in Latin Draco can mean both snake and dragon. 🤷
Oh. Ok, thanks for the info👍
I think the points gained by Harry in Quidditch might be the difference in scoring - Gryffindor won by a 50 points margin, so that’s how many points they get on the House Cup.
I've noticed from travelling to other countries in Europe and talking to people from elsewhere that the UK does get some fairly unique light in winter, it's very low, very bright, and especially in the morning sets everything up with a, like, cold gold glow? It's what makes winter at all bearable really 😅
As far as the the dates concerning Hogwarts founding not being known, that is extremely common for the medieval era. They had records back in the day, but centuries upon centuries of having those records being attacked by the elements, neglect and rodents a lot of times sponge the precise dates from history. All it takes is a fire in the records room 700 years ago to make it so that you only know that a historical figure was born in the town but not what day the figure was born on other than General decade. That sort of thing is very common in Europe and Asia. They just sort of have to Ballpark a lot of historical dates.
42:40 That Pitch Meeting wow. lol. Also heard a super easy, barely an inconvenience as well. Hell yea.
Thoughts while listening...
To Percy's specific relief of that statement, he's not in _another_ girl's bathroom, he's in the same one as before.
I like the idea that the movies got it wrong and the basilisk actually isn't that big. Hence why it fits through the plumbing.
As to the concept of wizards just disappearing their feces, I figure they switched to plumbing because all the first and maybe even second years had problems mastering the spell to make it disappear.
Given his complete lack of confidence, I can see Neville falling for some pretty scammy stuff. I don't remember if he buys stuff for helping him OWLs in his fifth year, but if it occurs before he joins the DA, it would make a lot of sense.
Also And about being almost a squib, there really do seem to be various degrees of magical capability. There are those like Neville who are so low initially that it doesn't even show up until they're 9 or 10, maybe even older. Rowling even stated that some wizards don't show their power until later in life. (Part of the plot to "Hogwarts: Legacy" as I understand.) Additionally, given their ability to see dementors, squibs must have at least a tiny bit of magical ability.
Sometimes, the biggest sadness about Snape dying at the end of the series for me is that that there could never be a point where Harry an adult and Snape got to sit down and actually talk about the crap Harry pulled as a student. I'm sure if the two of them mellowed out in their hatred of each other, and Snape could no longer expel Harry, they might have a laugh about it. Well maybe not, but we can imagine.
As far as the dueling club being only for second years, perhaps the note was enchanted so that every every year saw the meeting time and place for their group. It would also make sense if they had split it up so that other teachers (perhaps Flitwick being one of them) were holding dueling clubs at other times and/or places.
Nothing to suggest this idea in the actual book, just something that occurred to me.
I'm now pondering how hilarious it would have been if rictusempra had been Harry's signature spell against Voldemort instead of expelliarmus.
The idea that Snape became an animagus out of spite against James is a cool idea, but falls apart on one factor. You know he would have reported James as an unregistered animagus to the ministry of magic, and then all three of them would have been known animagi instead of unregistered.
It occurs to me that parcel tongue is similar to Aquaman's power. It not only lets you communicate with the animal, (sea life for Aquaman, snakes for parselmouths), but they have to obey the commands as well. Wonder which power would be stronger with sea serpents.
The problem I see with Harry using steaks as spies would be that if any of them are caught and Voldemort is around, then he could easily turn the snakes against Harry.
The idea of the basilisk having poor eyesight actually makes sense given that snakes are almost blind and use smell, often supplemented by feeling everything via their tongue as their primary sense.
As far as the comments about how dark Voldemort was as a child, just asked Myrtle.
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I can't believe there are only 28k subs!! Yall deserve so much more!!
41:00 It's a difference of 4 years of growing up (I know I as a 12YO vs 16YO would have reacted very differently to a stern look from a teacher) but even more so it's a difference of watching Snape kill Dumbledore. Lockhart is cocky and unaware in CoS, Harry is pissed in HBP.
So castles always had a "privy", a room/area that allowed for human waste to be brought out of the castle and disposed of, usually by gravity, so the basilisk could have always used this drainage system. The invention of Indoor Plumbing wasn't about drainage, but pumping water against gravity into the building, to then be fed into the already established drainage, however, this could be done earlier via an aqueduct system, or a cistern on a roof using rainwater collection. These are of course non-magical methods, but since we know that wizards can manipulate water, it is very possible that they developed "magic indoor plumbing" centuries before Muggles made their invention.
Ginny is definitely not going to Percy to tell him she's having nightmares, but he is Prefect and the older Gryffindor girls, who are witnessing Ginny's troubled sleep. would definitely feel compelled to tell the Prefect that his baby sister is having nightmares.
The difference between Snape and Flitwick in my opinion is that Flitwick is Dueling Champion in the Wizarding Sport where there are rules and regulations meanwhile Snape would be battle tested as he fought in the First Wizarding War admittedly most of that time he was in combat on the side of the Death Eaters as a loyal follower of the Dark Lord but still doesn’t take away from the fact his skill comes from live combat. Come to think of it do we know if Flitwick fought in the first Wizarding War?
Is he a member of the order? I think he only fights when it is to protect his world. His job, his students, his colleagues. Neutral good. Bites him in the ass given what happens to hogwarts in DH. Goes back to that stand for what's right or let what's wrong happen thing
I think Harry's boggart dementor makes him feel despair and fear like that because Harry is afraid of the FEELING rather than the creatures themselves
I know I’ve been mentioning this for months, but so much of the important plot points in the books take place in and around bathrooms that I’d love to see a J vs Ben on bathroom trivia. lol.
I'm an Australian who moved to the UK last year. Blazing winter sun is a real thing in England - you need sunglasses in December in the cold more so than you need them in August! It's shockingly bright
I used to wait in Barnes & Noble for the new book midnight releases, then fell in love with how you guys thoroughly explore- just every aspect of the books. The family and I have watched J & Ben for years now, marveling at connections and view points I had never considered upon re-reads. I was so excited when you began this channel. Now with Through the Griffin Door I am reading each chapter on the weekends so I can listen to you guys discuss it on my daily drives to work throughout the week. It’s become my new routine. Thank you for helping me further explore the Magical World of Harry Potter in such a unique and interactive way.
I think Snap reacts this way in potions this time because it splashes in the Slytherin area. Can't have his house getting embarrassed.
Pretty Sure Malfoy says Serpentsorcia in the film too. Agree though, its a great scene in the films, thats how you translate a scene from a book to the screen. The music helps a lot too of course.
The existence of Ghost Swords and Axes calls into question if Nick could "finish the job" he's lamenting so much to not pass on himself
I wouldn't be surprised if it's possible but literally *noone ever tried it* because Ghosts aren't really there to FIX the things they are lamenting, just to lament those things
Me: "He looks like a pirate.
J: He looks like a pirate.
Me: 😮
As for the discussion of whether or not Dumbledore has any suspicions to Harry being a parselmouth or not, I believe this is what’s happening when he reads Harry’s mind at the end of the death day party, in Lockharts office.
To elaborate, I think he can read Harry’s experience of hearing a voice nobody else could hear, and after some consideration and the circumstances being what they are, he wants to test his hypothesis.
The 50 points is deffo the amount gryffindor beat slytherin by, they always talk about winning the quidditch AND house cups is dependant on how much a team wins by, such a sim the final match in year 3
Great chapter, this was one of your best episodes yet! Love the dynamic and format of analysis, jokes & your theories
Harry and Malfoy finally getting the chance to go at eachother and it being a tickle fight / dance battle is hilarious, and the idea of Harry using Parseltongue a lot more and to his advantage through the series is never going to leave my head now, some cool potential there
I always gotta watch the episodes on youtube... seeing you talking and your reactions is inseparable from the actual podcast :)
48:43 imagine harry starts dancing and snape summons dj equipment and starts dropping beats
I almost died laughing.
5:49 The winter sun is so oppressive. It makes you sweat in your heavy coat. But you can’t take it off or you’ll freeze.
“Blazing winter sun” is very accurate.
49:19 I believe it’s also the spell Ron goes to use in the ministry, to stop the rain in a person’s office.
Why doesn't anyone question where Ginny is going alone in her 1st year when a monster is loose in the school? Is Riddle making her invisible, casting obliviate or the imperious on everyone in her vicinity to go unnoticed?
I have a love-hate relationship with this chapter.
On one hand, it is quite memorable and fun. But on the other hand, it is so close to being That much better.
In all of book one, Harry never uses a spell 'onscreen', nor does he in the first half of book two.
The first time he uses a spell 'onscreen' is in this chapter, and it is immediately after learning Expelliarmus. He was THIS CLOSE to having his first spell be his signature spell. But instead, it is the tickling curse. *facepalm*
Then again, Never tickle a sleeping dragon, but Do tickle a dueling Draco. Kind of fun.
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I don't know why, but the camera shots make me giggle
One reason Dumbledore may suspect Harry has parselmouth was the prophecy: "the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal"
It says in book 6 that "Little Amy Benson and Dennis Bishop were never quite right again" (or something along those lines) though the matron at the orphanage couldn't say what he had done to them. It always seemed to me that he did something to them more than "just" taking them with him. I had never thought of them as adults being some of the infiri, though I like the idea (woah that sounds wrong). Is it a known fact that the infiri is murdered muggles?
If you think about what the Death Eaters did to the muggles at the campground after the World Cup: making them float upside down in the air and torturing them-- causing them physical pain. I think that's pretty much what was done to the two kids from the orphanage in the cave.
I laughed so much! Loved the Draco/Harry tickle fight dynamics.
Snape acting like a real teacher... first: he was obviously going to test that swelling potion on the students anyway, so he had the potion ready. Also the students who got splashed were likely mostly Slytherins.as it was coming out of a Slytherin cauldron.
Snape is helping the dueling club because Dumbledore wants him to be there to keep the students safe. Lockheart is obviously incompetent when it comes to healing and counter-curses (see the rubber arm incident). And a dueling club is designed to make students to curse/charm each other, a recipe for disaster without a competent wizard around.
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Oh, yes, I presume Hagrid received permission from Dumbleydore, to perform magic as needed. These stories are from Harry's perspective. Doubt they would include any/all of Haggard's requests.
What if ginny tried to confess to percy but he didn't believe her. One year later when sirius is standing over ron with a knife, percy said to mcgonnagal that ron had a "nightmare". Percy just doesn't believe his younger siblings, when crazy stuff happens
My Head-Canon for Harry being so in tune with snakes is that it's not being a Parselmouth, but is from being a Horcrux, and that gives him a bit of Voldemort's *_Experience_* with being a Parselmouth.
Tom tells Dumbledore himself that he can speak to snakes.
Now I got a visual of Malfoy doing the same dance moves as Star Lord in Guardians of the Galaxy during their dance off... I cannot unsee this... great series, guys, cannot wait to see it live!
DYING of laughter imagining Harry and Ron organically learning Peter is not a rat from one of Harry’s snakes CACKLING
Had he not been literally nearly headless, I would never have guessed that was supposed to be Sir Nicholas for the chapter art.
That's who it is? Man, I thought it was Justin the whole time 😅
Oh I was hoping you'd bring this up but the green onion is likely to be a Gurdyroot given to Neville by Luna in the section where Neville buys some useless protective artifacts at 25:00. In fact, in OOTP/HBP, the gurdyroot is shown to be like a green onion. Even theorized on Pottermore
I’m pretty sure Voldemort either summons a snake or turns Dumbledores spell into a snake.
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He's known Tom is a Parseltongue since. first meeting at the orphanage. He's known Tom opened the chamber before since he was Transfiguration Teacher and wanted Tom to come clean about what he was doing, especially after it escalated to the death of a person.
I genuinely believe Dumbledore may be a seer or simply astute in astrology. He may not be able to predict events with certainty, but he can make an informed guess about the most probable outcomes and ensure Snape is positioned accordingly.
56:50 Nice Pitch Meeting reference Ben.
Dumbledore's office is close to Gryffindor tower. That's how Hermione got the books about how to make a Horcrux, she summoned them to her from her dormitory. So hey! Slytherin put things in a girl's bathroom, Gryffindor's office has a view of the girl's dorm, and everybody has a telescope!
Oh it would be so great if you did a video with all the Ginny red herring lines at the end of the book. That would be so cool. Are you going to record and upload all of the Through the Griffin Tour? And will each date be on the same chapter or different ones? So love watching on TH-cam. First day the Closed Captions are hilarious. I have noticed they go back and change some words. The spells at one point were just random letters.
I wish they would have gotten in to how funny it is when Ernie Macmillan tries to bully Harry and how he appears behind the shelf to scare them
I could imagine a few Slytherins with pet snakes. Seems pretty fitting for them to keep snakes and try to learn parseltongue. The slytherins were probably jealous when they heard Harry speaking parseltongue at the dueling club wishing they could do it too. It’s definitely more than just ‘learning the language’, like Ben and J said it’s an innate ability to control and understand snakes.
“Shockingly few one-on-one conversations.” What if Harry trusted Dumbledore, came to speak with him about all concerning investigations?
My interpretation is in this book percys started showing signs of power madness and thinks he can give or take 50 points
Living in Colorado, it makes a lot of sense. But it’s not a sense of heat, but refers to the intensity, how bright it is.
As for Quidditch and House points I always thought the difference of score, in the game, was added to the Cup points. As an example, 180-160, the winning team received 20 points towards the House Cup.
12:00 - It’s like a sourdough starter!
51:00 - So THAT’S why her Cat dialogue looks ADR’ed! It was!
"Super easy, barely an invonvenience" OH MY GOD HE SAID THE THING
44:08 the disarming spell is great in a duel, if your opponent is disarmed they can't attack you
4:00 Nearly Headless Nick's sword can be a foreshadowing for Harry when he stabs the diary with the basilisk’s fang.
Oh. My. God.
Polyjuice potion is basically sourdough starter.
Oh, damn. The fanning of Nick is absolutely hilarious
I always thought Tom Riddle was using the torture curse in the cave.
I was so invested in the Snape Is a Vampire Theory!
I don't get Ben's argument with the Quidditch points. It's extremely obvious that sentence means winning the game awarded the house 50 points and that's how the system works. The reason Percy tells Harry he won Gryffindor 50 points is because Harry caught the snitch, they often say that Harry won them the match because he's the seeker and getting them those 150 points.
Random thought, initial offices for the founders
Gryfindor-behind the Gargoyle statue with the Griffin door
Slytherin-the room that was turned into the bathroom that was on top of the chamber
Ravenclaw-Room of requirement
Hufflepuff- Great Hall/Kitchen
Malloy did say serpentsortia in the movies 😅
I apparently never noticed or looked at the chapter art too hard. I always just assumed it was Lockhart being thrown back by expelliarmus during the duel. I Never saw that he had a sword or that his head was mostly off. My mind is blown. 😅
Lol, Harry Junior telling Harry that scabbers is a dude 😂
It could be like in cooking where you're not supposed to add some ingredients until after the entree is done. Like you don't add sour cream to stroganoff until you're ready to serve.