He says he was a practicing Muslim no practicing Muslim could ever go to this extent like this guy. If one truly ever has Islam in his heart he would never go this much astray
@@jassmama385 yes they can bro. It breaks down to how sincere you were in your belief, or you were a hypocrite all that time. I saw his video from years back, announcing he had left Islam. One of the reason he pointed out was, that he didn't know that Christianity and Judaism were similar, and it had struck him as being copied from those religions. Look at the level of his knowledge he had while being a "practicing Muslim " for a decade or so. And look at the research he does now. Trying so hard to gain it. He probably goes to sleep thinking how he gonna find flaws in the religion of Islam. His goal in life is destroying Islam. What you can do except feeling sorry and sad for him
I converted to Islam 6 years ago and after years of inner turmoil, constant fear and cognitive dissonance that detiorated my mental and physical health, I am so relieved to say that I was finally able to come out of this darkness a few days ago and leave Islam. I hope that we can all live a beautiful free and connected life without fear. Sending love to all you brave people
I had the same struggles leaving christianity. True bravery. You are a hero in my book. No easy task confronting the core constructs of ones own identity
Child marriage, multiple wives, sexslaves were all there in all cultures and religions around the world. Pickup the hindu scriptures and you will see what the gods were up to. Slaves were there in all cultures. Multiple marriages were there everywhere. What's your point here? Look at how it has been prescibed to take care of multiple wives and slaves. Read about their rights. Child marriage was widespread until about 75 years ago.
The ideas about the pigs is really based on many misconceptions. First of all..pigs naturally dont sweat, thats why they often search for mud puddles to cover and cool their skin. This also removes parasites and it is a behaviour which we see in many other animals..elephants, or chicken (dust bath). The animal itself keeps itself healthy this way. Now since humans domesticated those animals they put them in small cages and this often leads to an unhealthy environment where pigs, chickens etc take their mud bath in the same spot where they eat and defecate... This not only can smell and look very badly it also can be harmful for the animals and the people who eat them. And because pigs are very similar to humans in their body functions, the viruses and bacteria can easily affect humans too..especially if the meat is consumed raw. So pig meat was in history and still is a main meat source worldwide. I think ,especially in the middle east with its warm temperatures, there were surely events which caused heavy food poisoning and diseases after consuming pig meat from sick animals...which lead to these religious rules. But most of the time it was no problem to eat it, and especially today with modern food regulations and controls it is as safe as any other meat. So make a long story short...its not the pig which is "dirty" it is up to us humans to create the right conditions for the pig to stay healthy and for the meat to stay fresh.
I always wonder if this was a protection against the disease Trichinosis, which can be caused by eating uncooked pork. They did not know the cause of the disease, but could see it's effects.
@@astrol4b so what if pigs eat garbage? Youre eating their muscles and not their stomachs... same as in arabic countries, which mostly consist of sahara sand and very few plants/forests.. what do you think they feed their sheep? Garbage! Thats what they eat: plastic, bags, etc. and sheep is widely sold and eaten with no problem.
@@zaminrradiendo4846 beef meet can contain worms too. Search: teniarinchus saginatus. Chicken eggs can cause salmonella. Fish is a host to many worms and parasites. Water can be a host to many bacteria and parasites too. Unwashed Fruits and vegetables can contain eggs of parasites. Wrongly canned food causes botulism. Stepping on contaminated screws with soil can lead to Tetanus and kill you. Being bitten with a dog with rabies can kill you. So... whats your point? No pig meat has worms unless the pig is INFECTED. Same goes with Cows, chicken, fish, and other meat. Same as not every dog can kill you with rabies unless it is INFECTED. I myself eat pork, and i dont have worms. and never got any health problem of eating pork. On the other hand, i once got food poisoning from eating sushi (fish).
@@FriendlyExmuslim ... hate preaching and spreading lies and disinformations on Islam... jumping on the bandwagon on Islamophobia... big money making business... from gullible people who love the lies and disinformations especially if it is Islam...
@@ussinussinongawd516... this is not criticizing but, spreading lies and disinformations on Islam. ...muslims as human beings are not perfect and if they do that is not right you do not blame the religion.. morality in Islam is the concept of righteousness, good character, and the body of moral qualities and virtues prescribed in Islamic religious texts. ... The religious conception is that mankind will behave morally and treat each other in the best possible manner to please God. .Islam is perfect....and this guy is jumping on the bandwagon of Islamophobes to make money by spreading lies and disinformations...
@@ussinussinongawd516 ...People who are polite, sincere, upright, dependable, who are prompt in discharging their obligations to others, who live in peace and allow others to do likewise have always formed the core of any healthy society. Good and evil are not myths awaiting resurrection, they are a real part of our everyday lives and hence, Allah has blessed mankind with an inherent sense of right and wrong. Allah says in the Qur'an: "(Allah) has revealed to human nature the consciousness and the cognition of good and evil. " (Surah as-Shams: 8)...
Totally agree with you. Let's keep exposing that GOD/GODS and their morality are the fruit of man's mind. Nowadays with all communication medias at our disposition, we can help them to see clearer and develop their Critical Analysis and Reasoning skills.
Consider the simple example of dogs as companions to old people, children, mentally handicapped people, blind and disabled people. Tons of research shows that how having dogs as companion and pet is very psychologically helpful for humans. Dogs really have been angels for mankind since they started the partnership many tens of thousands of years ago. An arbitrary ruling deprives Muslims of this close relationship.
@@nerdy4172 Haydar Aliyev is a former president and National Leader of Azerbaijan, and I'm a HUGE fan of him, He is a real savior, He saved the lives (including our family) of millions of people ending brutal war in Caucasus in 1992.
The daily prayers and fasting in Ramadan are also claimed to provide health benefits yet there is no scientific evidence whatsoever that, on average, Muslim countries, societies or communities are healthier than others. Yet, the daily prayers and fasting in Ramadan are unequivocally compulsory and among the most important things in Islam. They are actually done primarily to appease Allah. How "moral" is that?
Uhh they have done the research that intermittent fasting is healthy for you, even westerners have done videos on that even though I don't hold westerner research much creditable when it comes to religions. And read about Dr Duckworth experiment on grit and markers of successful leadership, u will see benefit of daily prayers
I can water fast all year around but not dry- fasting living in a dessert whole month of August. Praying and fasting is the least troublesome parts of Islam if they don't punish ppl for not doing it. Praying promotes Hygiene at least .
@@grahamashe9715 actually we can go back and 4th one like one person says creative is good, other says not. In such case , we go for the numbers . Just TH-cam why do Muslim countries have lowest rate of cancer by doctor Eric Beth. Since u been nice and I have not detected any racist tone (sign of low iq ), I am gonna keep this logical and help u out , u can help me out with ur ping of view
Great explanation! Hoping Islamists can investigate this fundamental issue of positive morality so they can discord the frozen morality of the 7th Century Arabia.
Big Love Sameer, from Morocco. I really enjoy your videos and I admire your accent, even if my English is not sufficient to get all what you say, but I get the main ideas. Cheers
@@FriendlyExmuslim I think they already are there. But I get lost when I'm reading simultaneously. No worry, your english is so clear that I can understand up to 99%. Thanks again
@@FriendlyExmuslim Abdullah, Muslim apologists are ripping off Christian presuppositional apologetics… see Jay Dyer he did the same argument against atheists for years
Just had to tell you well done, all faith systems need to face the truth about their true history you truly deserve a much larger audience you are very well spoken keep at it
One thing I noticed in Islamic history and that is how easily and without any reluctance Abu Bakar and Umar married off their very young daughters to old man Mohammad. It makes me wonder, did fathers of that era even loved their daughters? I mean I could never let my daughter marry an old man when she grows up, whether it be any Prophet or even God himself. Definitely both Umar and Abu Bakar did not love their daughters. They were like some commodity for them.
Wow, this was a devastating deconstruction of Islamic morality. You hit all the points and gave great examples and were very logical. Great job Abdullah. Bullseye 🎯 🎯 Very enjoyable to watch.
The guy with Allah in his name is talking against islam .. 😂 "Abdu-llah" meaning "servant of allah". May the true god guide you in your endeavours and protect you.
Fantastic! Too many secularist allow theists to get away with the claim they have objective morality when in fact they do not. You have shown a way to deal with it. Well done!
There's no such thing as objective morality, no matter the system you go by. There's always room for questioning. No one yet has found an absolute solution, and I doubt there ever will be.
Islamic morality does not appeal to me but the idea of a frozen moral code very much does. This is agonizing for me as I am unable to find or invent a moral code worthy of freezing.
The mysterious quality of moral feelings and conscience is that it allows one to understand how immoral Islam is. The one great claim of moral superiority when perceived ethically is a dreadful lie, what then is it that causes us to see this? For it isn't written for we recoil from what we read.
Is Islam's morality objective? Nope. And here's why: "We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?" Quran 2.106 One day Thou shalt not kill, next day whoever leaves their religion, kill them. One day God says this is immoral... later on it's still immoral but now it has exceptions where it isn't. Subjective morality 101.
@@shohorabahamed3753 Take your own advice. The daily/hourly moodswings of anyone (Muhammad)are not an objective source for morality either. In the Bible, God always has the same moral standards, the only difference is that he at first allows certain evil simply because men could not do better then. Jesus expkains it when challenged on him saying divorce is not tobe allowed except for illegal unions, on the count that Moses allowed divorce.
@@amuthi1 Or more likely, Muhammad could not keep all his commands straight and eventually people noticed him contradicting his previous commands and called him out on it.
@@shohorabahamed3753 Just like others have said, you should indeed heed your own advice and look it up. They actually summarized it way better than me. "The mere fact of abrogation makes clear that a command was not objective in the first place." This alone ends the entire argument of Allah's moral code being objective, and YES, the sole reason this verse got invented (yes, invented, not delivered through an inspiration), was because the skeptics caught Mohammad constantly contradicting himself, and when they rightfully raised an objection against him, he justified it though a "sudden just-in-time revelation". He did this *a lot* even Aisha took a notice of this when she commented how Allah hastens to fulfill his wishes.
As a Christian, the story of how Muhammad negotiated with Allah in heaven over the number of times to pray per day, bringing it down from over 50 times to five times, always baffled me. I know of some rather horrible Muslims in their teens here in Southeast Asia who lead sexually debauched lives but then try to compensate for that by praying six times a day. A student of mine who is secular and does not practise the Buddhism he was born into never understood it too, and actually called it outright hypocrisy.
I never see people mention this, but the one that got me (one of the first, I should say) was when Mohammed went to Medina at the invitation of the Ansari and then the surah was revealed that said if you don't fight for Isalm you will go to hell. I had to look at the context when I read it, but sure enough, the Ansari invited a pacifist prophet to live with them, and he immediately began using them as a military resource. Can only imagine how dejected they must have felt that night after hearing his true intentions.
I hereby solemnly confirm and declare that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is my Lord, he created the Universe, and Abdoul Sameer is his prophet and messenger, and I shall hereforth follow the Moral Law Code of Humanity. 💟🌌 (In other words, I just subscribed to the Friendly Exmuslim channel :) )
Please reply. ❤️ Hey Abdullah , love your content. I am a near agnostic. But still l become unconsciously partial for my religion. Those stories and rituals and culture is embedded in me. They have become my identity. I want to give up these dogmas but my inner self doesn't allow. Did it happen to you ? Weren't you connected with all your cultural festivities ? Do you celebrate even today ?
You can do whatever you want now that you're not religious. Celebrating 'Eid doesn't make u a Muslim nor does celebrating Christmas make u a Christmas.
@@LightSaber12345 does appreciating classical hindustani music that uses instruments like Rudra veena or does making a Krishna Radha painting make me a hindu ? 😊
@@shivangihere9141 Hindu/Sanatan Dharma is not even a religion - it basically is a way of life of personal well being and contributing to the entire universe' well being. About evolving as a human to higher mentality/consciousness - it is very personal evolution and it takes time - self realized Gurus are instrumental / guides to those who want to achieve this. (just fyi 😊).
Going off on a tangent with *real* science providing answers to biblical history. Just in: the bronze-age city at Tall al-Hammam at the Dead Sea was destroyed by a Tunguska-style event with a cosmic impactor leaving behind particles of Shocked quartz typical for such events. No divine intervention, no angels just celestial mechanics. 👩🎓
I'm a longtime vegan with many cats to feed. They must have daily flesh to survive and i'm eternally stuck with the unpleasant chore of feeding it to them. Naturally i'm looking forward to a very happy day -- if it ever comes -- when lab-grown meat becomes available to the public for pet food. IF i don't die first -- and of course IF i can afford the product, -- i'll bring a truck and load up on a year's worth!
One of the things that always frustrated me when I was young was the rewards in heaven for believers. it's all lies made up on the spot to please people with whatever they desired at that time and weren't able to acquire. Like the orgasm lasting 27 years, and men given the strength of a 100 man so he can have as much sex as possible, and rivers of alcohol and yogurt..
Its definity not complete according to the historical accounts of Sahih Bukhari in which details the an event that happened after the prophet had died. A piece of paper on which aisha had recorded a divine revelation to the prophet was lost due to it being eaten by a "friendly" billy goat. Nothing further is mentioned regarding the missing revelation except for the account detailing how it was lost. Yet the argument that an entire book was transmitted through oral tradition across 18 or 20 generations of human beings does not miss a beat. In an oral tradition transmitted using a classical language that is very poetic by nature. Interpreting the concepts and meanings expressed in the language requires one to be academically trained in classical arabic in order for it to be accurately translated. The act of a goat eating a revelation right after the Prophet died was as if God himself threw the book on the future claims of it being a complete unchanged record detailing the final revelation.
One of the major flaws in "Abrahamic" religions in particular is that their world view is that both nature and the human world is essentially static and unchanging -that things were created by God not that long a time ago and that everything would remain basically the same -the carpet got snatched away from underneath them when with the commercial,scientific and technological revolutions things became qualitatively different and people began to realize that change and not constancy was the only reality.Darwin's theory of evolution was a major wake up call to religion when it was realized that nature itself is ever changing and developing and never static as it is imagined in Creationist dogma.
While your points on us evolving and living in an ever changing world are salient, where on earth did you get the notion that Abrahamic religions have a static and unchanging worldview. You are confused on this, the Judeo-Christian is far from this if you look at how God works with mankind as he evolves and changes, most specifically as mankind becomes more civil, Islam is static and actually devolves if one looks at what was abrogated. FYI Islam is not a true Abrahamic religion as it was born out of the line of Ishmael while Judeo-Christianity was born out of the line of Isaac. Free will and freedom of choice are very much a product / condition of biblical teaching, read Paul's epistles to the different churches he approached similar conditions in each differently based on their culture, development, etc; Jesus was the same depending on the moral and cultural codes of the people he was dealing with e.g. Pharisees, tax collector, fishermen, doctors, gentiles, etc. I think one needs to be very careful that we don't lump all religions into one basket especially with Islam, Islam is unique and particularly immoral. Have you ever wondered why Jesus explicitly demonstrated the need for separation of church and state?
@@mikew7397 So I presume you are not a creationist and don't believe (as the Anglican archbishop of Armagh,Usher worked out from the begats in the genealogy of Jesus)that the earth is about six thousand years old?The Christian church has been forced to change by the sheer weight of scientific evidence otherwise it would have remained a laughing stock and irrelevant.I do admit however,and I often have argued this on line,that certain ideas in the Christian message often unintentionally have in the fullness of time led to me admirable freedoms that we enjoy in western civilization-one of them being the emphasis on literacy and Bible reading especially in the Protestant denominations which led to these places being the first to have universal literacy and where we have that we have enquiring minds.
@@kaloarepo288 Definitely not a believer in a 6000 year old planet. I'm a creationist only in that I believe in a creator and a beginning, everything evolves from that point on wards. There is a lot of anecdotal communication in the old testament like Jesus did using parables in the new. Those who take anecdotes as literal are literally confused. Does this make sense?
Great point,in hindusim there is concept that what we call god is still evolving so we humans need to be aligned with laws of universe and laws of nature and if we don't align,we are going to suffer(which is clearly seen in muslim world today-i am no hindu btw,i believe in spirituality)
@Friendly Exmuslim, Even if you were to use the concept of "Objective Morality" most apologists use, you can reject Islam & the Quran based on the fact that Christians and Muslims do not share the same Objective Morals, you could simply ask any Christian apologist if they believe or share the same "Objective Morals" as the Prophet of Islam, and the simple answer is no. Also, I found that the average Muslim does not actually understand the concept of "Objective Morality" even means and/or how does it work in reality.
@@FriendlyExmuslim Ok, I may phrase the following not entirely correct, so you could always ask a Christian apologist if I got it wrong. The concept of "Objective Morality" is that *the Source* and Origin *of all that is Good & Moral is God,* that is the claim, furthermore, apologists who make this claim would say that *all human beings even if they never heard of the Abrahamic God, they know in their hearts Right from Wrong,* this is the proof that Objective Morality is real, therefore; the Abrahamic God exists, if this is true, Christians & Muslims by default have the same "Objective Morals". No Christian apologist or Christian philosopher would ever accept that the so-called "Prophet of Islam" was an Objective Morally Good person. Hope that helps, have a good day. Example: th-cam.com/video/i71PglMoV7Q/w-d-xo.html
Nope, it's a waste of time, in debates you don't win by arguments, rather by logic gymnastics and the art of obfuscation, like comparing the beating of women to an employee not paying his employee a 1 day salary.
@@Kafirman666 Sorry, but Harris Sultan needs deliberate training too. Christopher Hitchens would have ripped through Pikachu his balls would have pulled into his stomach.
Moral codes at the social level should be judged by the extent to which societies that accept them manage to flourish in terms of creativity, ability to adapt to changing circumstances, ability to raise new generations, give rise to great athletes and artists, etc. Islam doesn't do too well at any of those.
Morality given by God would be subjective anyway, because it would come from the opinion of one subject, God. Objective morality is just another thing that theists claims that it needs to exist, yet it can't be found anywhere.
The argumentation is so clear and concise, not antagonistic, and leaves no wiggle room for Muslims. If I were to pick any video to show a Muslim in hopes that they deconvert, it would be this.
15:11 Japan is well known for the high life expectancy of its citizens - average going up to 87.5 for women and 81.5 for men And Japanese eat pork A LOT
What ever we say about Islam, Haqiqatjou confirms it..we say Islam allow bearing of women, Haqi says YES, we say Islam allow sex-slaves, Haqi says YES, we say child marriage exist in Quran, he says YES, we say Islam calls for killing apostates, he says YES, so what there is to debate about.?!!
It is not allways good to reduce suffering. Otherwise you would give in to your toddler's every whim, and raising a child itself would be banned, and vaccination also. Suffering is sometimes unavoidable as a price to pay for something worth it. Every parent who works two jobs or makes sure to help with homework even at the cost of their leisure time suffers because of it (exhsustion, fatigue, stress), yet they all know it's worth it. Atheists tend to miss that...
@@Fatcat-ss6nh You might want to read the Bible: Abraham and Moses questioned God and were not struck down but God listened to them. Jesus said to the Pharisee "if you don't believe me, believe my signs", and even "He who sins against the Son of Man will be forgiven". Peter himself questioned Jesus and while he was reprimanded, he still was chosen as head of the Church. Looks like God allows all sorts of questioning to me. You sure you're not thinking of Islam instead?
@@el_killorcure and yet no religion in the world has ever proved their god’s existence. Not one. And I have to ask what happens to those who know nothing about any religion? Like lost tribes who don’t know anything about the outside world are they marked for hell for not even knowing what religion is?
Notice that the “happy” counties have a cross in their flags and were traditionally Lutheran. The moral law is simply summed up in the Ten Commandments. In any case, the moral law is written in our hearts and conscience. It is accessible to all.
My religious morality is objective Abdul: "God's Nice... Be Nice." It's quite a simple religion really. My God is so nice, I call Him the All-Niceness. He doesn't require worship cos He's nice that way. He's so nice, He's not bothered about differences in religion - He's nice to them all, including, atheists, and Muslims. We all know what it is to be nice. We were born nice. Niceness is just one word, it's an all inclusive philosophy - a one word religion. Just meditating on my God (Niceness) could heal all of humanity (which would be nice). As always, Abdul, a Nice presentation... Thanks for your tireless work. You are indeed a nice man... And remember, Niceness is next to Godliness. I think you are a natural messenger of the Religion of Niceness. Don't worry Abdul, Niceness has its secular branches too, we're an all inclusive group. A nice presentation. Keep on educating us all. Keep on being you. Blessings from the UK my friend :)
A possible reason why pig flesh became taboo among the ancient ancestors of the Hebrews and much later among Islamized Arabs is that some experienced severe famines in which they were forced into cannibalism -- and after surviving their ordeal were repelled by the taste of pig flesh because it closely resembled that of the human bodies they ate to survive. This gruesome fact has been reported by both survivors like those and South Pacific island cannibal tribes who called human meat "long pig".
Even babies younger than 6 month can distinguish fair from unfair. They show video segments where there is lets say, a circle, that is being treated unfairly by a trianle, they can see the reactions on the babies' faces that they put on a disatisfied look on their faces. They are unhappy with the triangle every time. We are born knowing right from wrong and having a visceral reaction to actions that are unfair or cause suffering is the norm.
There are interesting debates in philosophy on this topic. But at the most fundamental level, all you need for objective morality is the Golden Rule. Or, if you prefer utilitarian ethics: "minimize suffering". That works too. Religions that try to govern morality with religious laws are incredibly flawed. Abrahamic religions tend to do this the most.
WHAT IS SPECIAL ABOUT BEING A HINDU? By Francois Gautier. Diversity in Divinity and Unity in Spirituality. 1) Believe in God ! - Aastik - Accepted 2) Don't believe in God ! - You're accepted as Nastik 3) You want to worship idols - please go ahead. You are a murti pujak. 4) You dont want to worship idols - no problem. You can focus on Nirguna Brahman. 5) You want to criticise something in our religion. Come forward. We are logical. Nyaya, Tarka etc. are core Hindu schools. 6) You want to accept beliefs as it is. Most welcome. Please go ahead with it. 7) You want to start your journey by reading Bhagvad Gita - Sure ! 8) You want to start your journey by reading Upanishads - Go ahead. 9) You want to start your journey by reading Purana - Be my guest. 10) You just don't like reading Puranas or other books. No problem my dear. Go by Bhakti tradition . ( bhakti- devotion) 11) You don't like idea of Bhakti ! No problem. Do your Karma. Be a karmayogi. 12) You want to enjoy life. Very good. No problem at all. This is Charvaka Philosophy. 13) You want to abstain from all the enjoyment of life & find God - jai ho ! Be a Sadhu, an ascetic ! 14) You don't like the concept of God. You believe in Nature only - Welcome. (Trees are our friends and Prakriti or nature is worthy of worship). 15) You believe in one God or Supreme Energy. Superb! Follow Advaita philosophy 16) You want a Guru. Go ahead. Receive gyaan. 17) You don't want a Guru.. Help yourself ! Meditate, Study ! 18) You believe in Female energy ! Shakti is worshipped. 19) You believe that every human being is equal. Yeah! You're awesome, come on let's celebrate Hinduism! "Vasudhaiva kutumbakam" (the world is a family) 20) You don't have time to celebrate the festival. Don't worry. One more festival is coming! There are multiple festivals every single day of the year. 21) You are a working person. Don't have time for religion. Its okay. You will still be a Hindu. 22) You like to go to temples. Devotion is loved. 23) You don't like to go to temples - no problem. You are still a Hindu! 24) You know that Hinduism ☺ is a way of life, with considerable freedom. 25) You believe that everything has God in it. So you worship your mother, father, guru, tree, River, Prani-matra, Earth, Universe! 26) And If you don't believe that everything has GOD in it - No problems. Respect your viewpoint. 27) "Sarve jana sukhino bhavantu " (May you all live happily) You represent this! You're free to choose, my dear Hindu! This is exactly the essence of Hinduism, all inclusive .. That is why it has withstood the test of time inspite of repeated onslaught both from within and outside, and assimilated every good aspects from everything . That is why it is eternal !!! There is a saying in Rigveda , the first book ever known to mankind which depicts the Hinduism philosophy in a Nutshell -" Ano bhadrah Krathavo Yanthu Vishwathah"- Let the knowledge come to us from every direction "......
Morality *cannot* be simply about reducing suffering or the most moral act possible would be to painlessly euthanase every human being. No human beings => no human suffering => goal of morality completely satisfied. There are other definitions, like the Soviet "morality is whatever serves the interests of the State" or the Nazi "morality is whatever advances the only true human race, the Arayan people". One person has a toothache, another has just been dumped by his fiancee. How do you combine these kinds of suffering to arrive at the total which is to be minimised? If we change society so there are fewer dunpings but nore toothaches, is that a morally good change? This whole idea of quantifiable combinable suffering (or its mirror image, happiness) was realised to be nonsense when the slogan "the greatest good for the greatest number" was understood to be nothing mor than the expression of a sentiment, and not a rule that could guide the behaviour of actual human beings. So I am sorry, but your "objective morality" is not only not objective, it's not even coherent. If that were not enough, it requires human beings to have god-level powers of foresight which they just do not have. (Which was the other fatal flaw of Utilitarianism.) It is brutally obvious that some actions will cause immediate suffering without any justification. But what about long term? Given the choice of voting for party X or party Y, which will cause the more suffering in the long term? I have Australian citizenship. If I had been living in Australia iat the time of the last election, I would have voted in entire ignorance of the depth of evil that Australian politicians and police would sink to. A choice for less suffering then might have contributed to great suffering now. While we agree abiout Islam, you need a radically different foundation for morality than the one you offer here.
The way I interpret this "absolute morality" thing is as follows: By defining rules which supposedly come from God you effectively get a prohibition to put them into question. It means nothing else than "shut up and do what we say".
Morality is subjective in that it evolves? I don't disagree but I'm thinking whether it's that we come to understand better what is good for us, rather than it "evolving" and so secularism could claim objective morality. Anyway, I think the strongest argument in this video was that "what about new moral issues"... AI, robots for one. Quran is in no way eternal source for answer to moral dilemmas.
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All we can do is pray for you that May Allah guide you or break your back if there is no guidance for you
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salam.
@@shukriyusof2104 he is probably funded already to spread hatred towards Islam
He says he was a practicing Muslim no practicing Muslim could ever go to this extent like this guy. If one truly ever has Islam in his heart he would never go this much astray
@@jassmama385 yes they can bro. It breaks down to how sincere you were in your belief, or you were a hypocrite all that time.
I saw his video from years back, announcing he had left Islam. One of the reason he pointed out was, that he didn't know that Christianity and Judaism were similar, and it had struck him as being copied from those religions.
Look at the level of his knowledge he had while being a "practicing Muslim " for a decade or so.
And look at the research he does now. Trying so hard to gain it.
He probably goes to sleep thinking how he gonna find flaws in the religion of Islam.
His goal in life is destroying Islam.
What you can do except feeling sorry and sad for him
I converted to Islam 6 years ago and after years of inner turmoil, constant fear and cognitive dissonance that detiorated my mental and physical health, I am so relieved to say that I was finally able to come out of this darkness a few days ago and leave Islam. I hope that we can all live a beautiful free and connected life without fear. Sending love to all you brave people
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Wht exactly about Islam gave u conflict?
I had the same struggles leaving christianity. True bravery. You are a hero in my book. No easy task confronting the core constructs of ones own identity
islam/religion is just gonna give fear/doubt in ownself
Well done 👍
What I find is that a lot of Islamic ethics does not pass the "golden rule" test. They can do to others but others cannot do that to them.
abdools: we are modest
also abdools: child marriage, multiple wives + sexslaves,
“Allah has made me victorious by fear (accurately translation: terror) for one month’s journey”
Its so easy to generalize as explained in your simple message . Wrong view
Okay flamer.
You forgot labor slaves as well
Child marriage, multiple wives, sexslaves were all there in all cultures and religions around the world. Pickup the hindu scriptures and you will see what the gods were up to. Slaves were there in all cultures. Multiple marriages were there everywhere. What's your point here? Look at how it has been prescibed to take care of multiple wives and slaves. Read about their rights. Child marriage was widespread until about 75 years ago.
The ideas about the pigs is really based on many misconceptions. First of all..pigs naturally dont sweat, thats why they often search for mud puddles to cover and cool their skin. This also removes parasites and it is a behaviour which we see in many other animals..elephants, or chicken (dust bath). The animal itself keeps itself healthy this way.
Now since humans domesticated those animals they put them in small cages and this often leads to an unhealthy environment where pigs, chickens etc take their mud bath in the same spot where they eat and defecate... This not only can smell and look very badly it also can be harmful for the animals and the people who eat them. And because pigs are very similar to humans in their body functions, the viruses and bacteria can easily affect humans too..especially if the meat is consumed raw.
So pig meat was in history and still is a main meat source worldwide. I think ,especially in the middle east with its warm temperatures, there were surely events which caused heavy food poisoning and diseases after consuming pig meat from sick animals...which lead to these religious rules. But most of the time it was no problem to eat it, and especially today with modern food regulations and controls it is as safe as any other meat.
So make a long story short...its not the pig which is "dirty" it is up to us humans to create the right conditions for the pig to stay healthy and for the meat to stay fresh.
I always wonder if this was a protection against the disease Trichinosis, which can be caused by eating uncooked pork. They did not know the cause of the disease, but could see it's effects.
As far as I know pigs were excellent for cities as they ate garbage, but for less dense population they are competing for the same food of humans
Ring worms parasities and uncomfortable odours .
@@astrol4b so what if pigs eat garbage? Youre eating their muscles and not their stomachs... same as in arabic countries, which mostly consist of sahara sand and very few plants/forests.. what do you think they feed their sheep? Garbage! Thats what they eat: plastic, bags, etc. and sheep is widely sold and eaten with no problem.
@@zaminrradiendo4846 beef meet can contain worms too. Search: teniarinchus saginatus.
Chicken eggs can cause salmonella.
Fish is a host to many worms and parasites.
Water can be a host to many bacteria and parasites too.
Unwashed Fruits and vegetables can contain eggs of parasites.
Wrongly canned food causes botulism.
Stepping on contaminated screws with soil can lead to Tetanus and kill you.
Being bitten with a dog with rabies can kill you.
So... whats your point? No pig meat has worms unless the pig is INFECTED. Same goes with Cows, chicken, fish, and other meat.
Same as not every dog can kill you with rabies unless it is INFECTED.
I myself eat pork, and i dont have worms. and never got any health problem of eating pork. On the other hand, i once got food poisoning from eating sushi (fish).
How can this religion be moral when you are marked for death for simply leaving it.
What religion is morally inline with you ? Can you explain ?
@@TheNotoriousJutt probably Buddhist
@@TheNotoriousJuttAnything that isn't Abrahamic mate, the constant fear mongering in all 3 of those religions is not moral in any way.
Who said Islam marks a person for death if he leaves it?
@@Ibrahim_B. dont bullshit an exmuslim
A huge painful slap in the face of Islamic Morality, very well said Brother Abdullah Sameer, very well said. ✨
Thank you!
How about a 50 years old man lusting after a 6 years old child?
Muslims can not unring that bell, no matter how hard they try.
Islam is a perverted 7th century failed doomsday death cult.
You just keep getting better and better. I was lucky to find you when you first started. I feel like an OG!
hahaha yeah some of my old videos were baaadddd
Excellently laid out case! Perfectly sharp, clean and convincing execution Abdullah. You are turning into ex-Muslim making machine, Sameer. Well done.
hahahah lovely of you to say
Abdullah! Your channel is so underrated. You should have 10 times more subscribers! And that's what I wish you. Thanks for these great thoughts.
So nice of you
Very well said
Thanks broski! ♥
@@FriendlyExmuslim ... hate preaching and spreading lies and disinformations on Islam... jumping on the bandwagon on Islamophobia... big money making business... from gullible people who love the lies and disinformations especially if it is Islam...
@@mahamohamoha5039 are people not allowed to criticize Islam or something.... like even Muslims know the religion isn't perfect.
@@ussinussinongawd516... this is not criticizing but, spreading lies and disinformations on Islam. ...muslims as human beings are not perfect and if they do that is not right you do not blame the religion.. morality in Islam is the
concept of righteousness, good character, and the body of moral qualities and virtues prescribed in Islamic religious texts. ... The religious conception is that mankind will behave morally and treat each other in the best possible manner to please God.
.Islam is perfect....and this guy is jumping on the bandwagon of Islamophobes to make money by spreading lies and disinformations...
@@ussinussinongawd516 ...People who are polite, sincere, upright, dependable, who are prompt in discharging their obligations to others, who live in peace and allow others to do likewise have always formed the core of any healthy society. Good and evil are not myths awaiting resurrection, they are a real part of our everyday lives and hence, Allah has blessed mankind with an inherent sense of right and wrong. Allah says in the Qur'an: "(Allah) has revealed to human nature the consciousness and the cognition of good and evil. " (Surah as-Shams: 8)...
Beautifully explained brother❤ Keep making everyone aware about ISLAM! #stayawayfromislam
This video is so freaking good. Amazing work.
Thank you so much!
Totally agree with you. Let's keep exposing that GOD/GODS and their morality are the fruit of man's mind. Nowadays with all communication medias at our disposition, we can help them to see clearer and develop their Critical Analysis and Reasoning skills.
Consider the simple example of dogs as companions to old people, children, mentally handicapped people, blind and disabled people. Tons of research shows that how having dogs as companion and pet is very psychologically helpful for humans. Dogs really have been angels for mankind since they started the partnership many tens of thousands of years ago. An arbitrary ruling deprives Muslims of this close relationship.
Don´t forget our fluffy friends, cats.
We have cats. 😂
Everybody knows what a precious job you are doing Sameer, you are very important person for humanity at the moment ☝☝❤❤
Thank you!
Hey! Are you the president of Azerbaijan 🇦🇿? Or just an imposter?
@@nerdy4172 Haydar Aliyev is a former president and National Leader of Azerbaijan, and I'm a HUGE fan of him, He is a real savior, He saved the lives (including our family) of millions of people ending brutal war in Caucasus in 1992.
@@heyderaliyev8976 :( I love Elchibey much more than Haydar Aliyev
@@nerdy4172 dat azigga's dead. His son is the head of the gang now.
This is my favorite Abdullah Sameer video, except for all the other Abdullah Sameer videos that are my favorite ^^
hahahaha thank you
Wow I had this on my mind for a while especially stuff like the Sabbath, thank you Sameer
My pleasure!
Great talk. Keep up the great work!
This is great! Thank you for this Abdullah!! I might do a stream to have a conversation about this topic!
The daily prayers and fasting in Ramadan are also claimed to provide health benefits yet there is no scientific evidence whatsoever that, on average, Muslim countries, societies or communities are healthier than others. Yet, the daily prayers and fasting in Ramadan are unequivocally compulsory and among the most important things in Islam. They are actually done primarily to appease Allah. How "moral" is that?
Haggay 2 :
Uhh they have done the research that intermittent fasting is healthy for you, even westerners have done videos on that even though I don't hold westerner research much creditable when it comes to religions. And read about Dr Duckworth experiment on grit and markers of successful leadership, u will see benefit of daily prayers
@@bigdaddy7729 Dry fasting, like in Ramadan, is universally acknowledged by legitimate science as bad for you or not recommended.
I can water fast all year around but not dry- fasting living in a dessert whole month of August. Praying and fasting is the least troublesome parts of Islam if they don't punish ppl for not doing it. Praying promotes Hygiene at least .
@@grahamashe9715 actually we can go back and 4th one like one person says creative is good, other says not. In such case , we go for the numbers . Just TH-cam why do Muslim countries have lowest rate of cancer by doctor Eric Beth. Since u been nice and I have not detected any racist tone (sign of low iq ), I am gonna keep this logical and help u out , u can help me out with ur ping of view
Thank you for this!!!! Excellent video and information!!!!
Glad it was helpful!
Great explanation! Hoping Islamists can investigate this fundamental issue of positive morality so they can discord the frozen morality of the 7th Century Arabia.
Big Love Sameer, from Morocco. I really enjoy your videos and I admire your accent, even if my English is not sufficient to get all what you say, but I get the main ideas. Cheers
Subtitles will be there soon
@@FriendlyExmuslim I think they already are there. But I get lost when I'm reading simultaneously. No worry, your english is so clear that I can understand up to 99%. Thanks again
@@FriendlyExmuslim Abdullah, Muslim apologists are ripping off Christian presuppositional apologetics… see Jay Dyer he did the same argument against atheists for years
Just had to tell you well done, all faith systems need to face the truth about their true history you truly deserve a much larger audience you are very well spoken keep at it
One thing I noticed in Islamic history and that is how easily and without any reluctance Abu Bakar and Umar married off their very young daughters to old man Mohammad.
It makes me wonder, did fathers of that era even loved their daughters? I mean I could never let my daughter marry an old man when she grows up, whether it be any Prophet or even God himself.
Definitely both Umar and Abu Bakar did not love their daughters. They were like some commodity for them.
I think that part of them showing love in that society was marrying them to powerful men
It is just a different time. we cant judge people of the past with our current understanding of morality and love.
@@Ahmed-ef6ss so Quran is only for the people of 7th centuary desert dwelling people?
@@chandrasekharraobonu2468 yes
@@sadiqakhan277 of course not. I'm not a muslim.
Wow, this was a devastating deconstruction of Islamic morality. You hit all the points and gave great examples and were very logical. Great job Abdullah. Bullseye 🎯 🎯
Very enjoyable to watch.
Thank you!
The guy with Allah in his name is talking against islam .. 😂
"Abdu-llah" meaning "servant of allah". May the true god guide you in your endeavours and protect you.
Nice work Abdullah. One of your best delivery.
Appreciate it
You made a very good and logical explanation. Thank you so much, and, please keep and improve this style.
I will try my best
Actually funny how you uploaded the video the same time i was watching william lane craig and sam harris' debate on morality XD
Fantastic! Too many secularist allow theists to get away with the claim they have objective morality when in fact they do not. You have shown a way to deal with it. Well done!
you live up to your name ,always nice and friendly
Thank you!
@theamrad Referring to who Abdullah is as an exmuslim, not to his birth name ;-)
The best way to reduce suffering
“ Love your neighbour as yourself “
Behave with others the way you would like others to behave with you “
There's no such thing as objective morality, no matter the system you go by. There's always room for questioning. No one yet has found an absolute solution, and I doubt there ever will be.
This is a fantastic video, Abdullah. Adding it to my list of favourites from you.
Thank you!
Islamic morality does not appeal to me but the idea of a frozen moral code very much does. This is agonizing for me as I am unable to find or invent a moral code worthy of freezing.
Jay Smith..David Wood..Christian Prince...Abdullah Sameer..Im learning so much I need to keep a large notebook. Very interesting information!
Excellent video, very informative, very well put, logical.
Thank you kindly!
ur pretty
I LOVE it that you care about animals. Thank you thank you thank you!
Morality: act first and then Allah will legitimate his act
The mysterious quality of moral feelings and conscience is that it allows one to understand how immoral Islam is.
The one great claim of moral superiority when perceived ethically is a dreadful lie, what then is it that causes us to see this? For it isn't written for we recoil from what we read.
Super important video!
I think so too!
"reduces suffering" Best definition ive heard
I read even the ruling of alcohol, Hanafi Muslims believe that only some alcoholic drinks are forbidden.
Is Islam's morality objective? Nope. And here's why:
"We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?"
Quran 2.106
One day Thou shalt not kill, next day whoever leaves their religion, kill them. One day God says this is immoral... later on it's still immoral but now it has exceptions where it isn't. Subjective morality 101.
I think you should do a small study on what objective morality is.
@@shohorabahamed3753 Take your own advice.
The daily/hourly moodswings of anyone (Muhammad)are not an objective source for morality either.
In the Bible, God always has the same moral standards, the only difference is that he at first allows certain evil simply because men could not do better then. Jesus expkains it when challenged on him saying divorce is not tobe allowed except for illegal unions, on the count that Moses allowed divorce.
The mere fact of abrogation makes clear that a command was not objective in the first place.
@@amuthi1 Or more likely, Muhammad could not keep all his commands straight and eventually people noticed him contradicting his previous commands and called him out on it.
@@shohorabahamed3753 Just like others have said, you should indeed heed your own advice and look it up. They actually summarized it way better than me.
"The mere fact of abrogation makes clear that a command was not objective in the first place."
This alone ends the entire argument of Allah's moral code being objective, and YES, the sole reason this verse got invented (yes, invented, not delivered through an inspiration), was because the skeptics caught Mohammad constantly contradicting himself, and when they rightfully raised an objection against him, he justified it though a "sudden just-in-time revelation".
He did this *a lot* even Aisha took a notice of this when she commented how Allah hastens to fulfill his wishes.
Islamic morality exists and can be summed by the word 'hypocracy'.
Tx Abdullah 👍🌈🦄💜 this was great.
Welcome! :)
As a Christian, the story of how Muhammad negotiated with Allah in heaven over the number of times to pray per day, bringing it down from over 50 times to five times, always baffled me. I know of some rather horrible Muslims in their teens here in Southeast Asia who lead sexually debauched lives but then try to compensate for that by praying six times a day. A student of mine who is secular and does not practise the Buddhism he was born into never understood it too, and actually called it outright hypocrisy.
Thankyou Bro Abd. Sameer for Clear explaination
I never see people mention this, but the one that got me (one of the first, I should say) was when Mohammed went to Medina at the invitation of the Ansari and then the surah was revealed that said if you don't fight for Isalm you will go to hell. I had to look at the context when I read it, but sure enough, the Ansari invited a pacifist prophet to live with them, and he immediately began using them as a military resource. Can only imagine how dejected they must have felt that night after hearing his true intentions.
Awesome video !!✨
Very well-explained. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
I hereby solemnly confirm and declare that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is my Lord, he created the Universe, and Abdoul Sameer is his prophet and messenger, and I shall hereforth follow the Moral Law Code of Humanity.
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(In other words, I just subscribed to the Friendly Exmuslim channel :) )
I like your video! Well explained in an easiest way even a baby will understand it. 💜🧡💜
Glad it was helpful!
Why would allah curse.
Great video!
Please reply. ❤️
Hey Abdullah , love your content. I am a near agnostic. But still l become unconsciously partial for my religion. Those stories and rituals and culture is embedded in me. They have become my identity. I want to give up these dogmas but my inner self doesn't allow. Did it happen to you ? Weren't you connected with all your cultural festivities ? Do you celebrate even today ?
Theres nothing wrong with what you said. Keep practicing the rituals and culture if its not harming anyone
You can do whatever you want now that you're not religious. Celebrating 'Eid doesn't make u a Muslim nor does celebrating Christmas make u a Christmas.
@@LightSaber12345 does appreciating classical hindustani music that uses instruments like Rudra veena or does making a Krishna Radha painting make me a hindu ? 😊
@@shivangihere9141 no. Your beliefs make you Hindu, nothing else.
@@shivangihere9141 Hindu/Sanatan Dharma is not even a religion - it basically is a way of life of personal well being and contributing to the entire universe' well being. About evolving as a human to higher mentality/consciousness - it is very personal evolution and it takes time - self realized Gurus are instrumental / guides to those who want to achieve this. (just fyi 😊).
15:35 Allah hu akbar, this guy definitely know what his talking about. Bacon is amazing 🤤
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Going off on a tangent with *real* science providing answers to biblical history.
Just in: the bronze-age city at Tall al-Hammam at the Dead Sea was destroyed by a Tunguska-style event with a cosmic impactor leaving behind particles of Shocked quartz typical for such events. No divine intervention, no angels just celestial mechanics. 👩🎓
Hi, I don't agree with everything but I enjoyed the discussion and respect your freedom of speech.
I'm a longtime vegan with many cats to feed. They must have daily flesh to survive and i'm eternally stuck with the unpleasant chore of feeding it to them. Naturally i'm looking forward to a very happy day -- if it ever comes -- when lab-grown meat becomes available to the public for pet food. IF i don't die first -- and of course IF i can afford the product, -- i'll bring a truck and load up on a year's worth!
One of the things that always frustrated me when I was young was the rewards in heaven for believers. it's all lies made up on the spot to please people with whatever they desired at that time and weren't able to acquire. Like the orgasm lasting 27 years, and men given the strength of a 100 man so he can have as much sex as possible, and rivers of alcohol and yogurt..
Islamic morality: you can have sex (marry) a young child if her father accepts, even if she has not have her first period yet.
The Qur'an was written 600 YEARS after the death of the prophet. How accurate could the translation be?
i don't know about that ......
Its definity not complete according to the historical accounts of Sahih Bukhari in which details the an event that happened after the prophet had died.
A piece of paper on which aisha had recorded a divine revelation to the prophet was lost due to it being eaten by a "friendly" billy goat.
Nothing further is mentioned regarding the missing revelation except for the account detailing how it was lost.
Yet the argument that an entire book was transmitted through oral tradition across 18 or 20 generations of human beings does not miss a beat.
In an oral tradition transmitted using a classical language that is very poetic by nature.
Interpreting the concepts and meanings expressed in the language requires one to be academically trained in classical arabic in order for it to be accurately translated.
The act of a goat eating a revelation right after the Prophet died was as if God himself threw the book on the future claims of it being a complete unchanged record detailing the final revelation.
Brilliant video 👏🏼👏🏼
Thank you! 😀
One of the major flaws in "Abrahamic" religions in particular is that their world view is that both nature and the human world is essentially static and unchanging -that things were created by God not that long a time ago and that everything would remain basically the same -the carpet got snatched away from underneath them when with the commercial,scientific and technological revolutions things became qualitatively different and people began to realize that change and not constancy was the only reality.Darwin's theory of evolution was a major wake up call to religion when it was realized that nature itself is ever changing and developing and never static as it is imagined in Creationist dogma.
Well said Kalo
While your points on us evolving and living in an ever changing world are salient, where on earth did you get the notion that Abrahamic religions have a static and unchanging worldview. You are confused on this, the Judeo-Christian is far from this if you look at how God works with mankind as he evolves and changes, most specifically as mankind becomes more civil, Islam is static and actually devolves if one looks at what was abrogated. FYI Islam is not a true Abrahamic religion as it was born out of the line of Ishmael while Judeo-Christianity was born out of the line of Isaac.
Free will and freedom of choice are very much a product / condition of biblical teaching, read Paul's epistles to the different churches he approached similar conditions in each differently based on their culture, development, etc; Jesus was the same depending on the moral and cultural codes of the people he was dealing with e.g. Pharisees, tax collector, fishermen, doctors, gentiles, etc.
I think one needs to be very careful that we don't lump all religions into one basket especially with Islam, Islam is unique and particularly immoral.
Have you ever wondered why Jesus explicitly demonstrated the need for separation of church and state?
@@mikew7397 So I presume you are not a creationist and don't believe (as the Anglican archbishop of Armagh,Usher worked out from the begats in the genealogy of Jesus)that the earth is about six thousand years old?The Christian church has been forced to change by the sheer weight of scientific evidence otherwise it would have remained a laughing stock and irrelevant.I do admit however,and I often have argued this on line,that certain ideas in the Christian message often unintentionally have in the fullness of time led to me admirable freedoms that we enjoy in western civilization-one of them being the emphasis on literacy and Bible reading especially in the Protestant denominations which led to these places being the first to have universal literacy and where we have that we have enquiring minds.
@@kaloarepo288 Definitely not a believer in a 6000 year old planet. I'm a creationist only in that I believe in a creator and a beginning, everything evolves from that point on wards. There is a lot of anecdotal communication in the old testament like Jesus did using parables in the new. Those who take anecdotes as literal are literally confused. Does this make sense?
Great point,in hindusim there is concept that what we call god is still evolving so we humans need to be aligned with laws of universe and laws of nature and if we don't align,we are going to suffer(which is clearly seen in muslim world today-i am no hindu btw,i believe in spirituality)
Great job bro !
Spittin 🔥🔥🔥
@Friendly Exmuslim,
Even if you were to use the concept of "Objective Morality" most apologists use, you can reject Islam & the Quran based on the fact that Christians and Muslims do not share the same Objective Morals, you could simply ask any Christian apologist if they believe or share the same "Objective Morals" as the Prophet of Islam, and the simple answer is no. Also, I found that the average Muslim does not actually understand the concept of "Objective Morality" even means and/or how does it work in reality.
Yeah, but Muslims consider the Christian version "corrupted"
@@FriendlyExmuslim
Ok, I may phrase the following not entirely correct, so you could always ask a Christian apologist if I got it wrong. The concept of "Objective Morality" is that *the Source* and Origin *of all that is Good & Moral is God,* that is the claim, furthermore, apologists who make this claim would say that *all human beings even if they never heard of the Abrahamic God, they know in their hearts Right from Wrong,* this is the proof that Objective Morality is real, therefore; the Abrahamic God exists, if this is true, Christians & Muslims by default have the same "Objective Morals". No Christian apologist or Christian philosopher would ever accept that the so-called "Prophet of Islam" was an Objective Morally Good person. Hope that helps, have a good day.
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Very good video!!
Thank you very much!
Love you man and always be careful, i know that a lot of islamaniac is angry at what you do so always be careful i hope you have such a wonderful day.
You're brave and intelligent, best wishes to you and your project
Clicked on your Channel today. Am into it.
Welcome!
I think you should debate with one of the Muslim apologists
Need some practice debating first
Nope, it's a waste of time, in debates you don't win by arguments, rather by logic gymnastics and the art of obfuscation, like comparing the beating of women to an employee not paying his employee a 1 day salary.
@@Kafirman666 yeah, every muslim was complaining about ad hominems as well even though daniel called harris a cuck, loser and conman lmfao
@@Kafirman666 Sorry, but Harris Sultan needs deliberate training too.
Christopher Hitchens would have ripped through Pikachu his balls would have pulled into his stomach.
@@FriendlyExmuslim lol
Moral codes at the social level should be judged by the extent to which societies that accept them manage to flourish in terms of creativity, ability to adapt to changing circumstances, ability to raise new generations, give rise to great athletes and artists, etc. Islam doesn't do too well at any of those.
Morality given by God would be subjective anyway, because it would come from the opinion of one subject, God. Objective morality is just another thing that theists claims that it needs to exist, yet it can't be found anywhere.
Indeed. A context-free moral must compromise in some form or another, but there may exist one which minimizes damage.
The argumentation is so clear and concise, not antagonistic, and leaves no wiggle room for Muslims. If I were to pick any video to show a Muslim in hopes that they deconvert, it would be this.
Flying spaghetti monster 🤣
One of your best.
15:11 Japan is well known for the high life expectancy of its citizens - average going up to 87.5 for women and 81.5 for men
And Japanese eat pork A LOT
Burmese, Chinese, Cambodians, Japanese, Koreans, Laotians, Thais, Vietnamese eat lot of pork and are very healthy compare to Muslims.
Love your presentation! You elucidate succinctly your points.
Dear Sameer. Have you considered a debate with Daniel Haqiqatjou?
Maybe one day
There is no reasoning with unreasonable. You won't change the mind of someone who has no intention of listening, learning or changing their mind.
What ever we say about Islam, Haqiqatjou confirms it..we say Islam allow bearing of women, Haqi says YES, we say Islam allow sex-slaves, Haqi says YES, we say child marriage exist in Quran, he says YES, we say Islam calls for killing apostates, he says YES, so what there is to debate about.?!!
@@Kafirman666 ikr!!!...
What new will you learn from Daniel? Just read Quoran and hadith, study sharia, no need to talk to Daniel
Always interesting
It is not allways good to reduce suffering.
Otherwise you would give in to your toddler's every whim, and raising a child itself would be banned, and vaccination also.
Suffering is sometimes unavoidable as a price to pay for something worth it.
Every parent who works two jobs or makes sure to help with homework even at the cost of their leisure time suffers because of it (exhsustion, fatigue, stress), yet they all know it's worth it.
Atheists tend to miss that...
good suffering is good for us
@@UnlimitlesslyFunnyDude As a means to a worthy end, not as an end in itself.
Nobody (sane) wants to go full Hellraiser on it...
Spoken like a true slave to a doctrine you can’t question.
@@Fatcat-ss6nh You might want to read the Bible: Abraham and Moses questioned God and were not struck down but God listened to them.
Jesus said to the Pharisee "if you don't believe me, believe my signs", and even "He who sins against the Son of Man will be forgiven".
Peter himself questioned Jesus and while he was reprimanded, he still was chosen as head of the Church.
Looks like God allows all sorts of questioning to me.
You sure you're not thinking of Islam instead?
@@el_killorcure and yet no religion in the world has ever proved their god’s existence. Not one. And I have to ask what happens to those who know nothing about any religion? Like lost tribes who don’t know anything about the outside world are they marked for hell for not even knowing what religion is?
Notice that the “happy” counties have a cross in their flags and were traditionally Lutheran. The moral law is simply summed up in the Ten Commandments. In any case, the moral law is written in our hearts and conscience. It is accessible to all.
Because you shall not make idols is very important to keep a country happy
My religious morality is objective Abdul: "God's Nice... Be Nice."
It's quite a simple religion really.
My God is so nice, I call Him the All-Niceness. He doesn't require worship cos He's nice that way. He's so nice, He's not bothered about differences in religion - He's nice to them all, including, atheists, and Muslims.
We all know what it is to be nice. We were born nice. Niceness is just one word, it's an all inclusive philosophy - a one word religion. Just meditating on my God (Niceness) could heal all of humanity (which would be nice).
As always, Abdul, a Nice presentation... Thanks for your tireless work. You are indeed a nice man... And remember, Niceness is next to Godliness. I think you are a natural messenger of the Religion of Niceness. Don't worry Abdul, Niceness has its secular branches too, we're an all inclusive group.
A nice presentation. Keep on educating us all. Keep on being you. Blessings from the UK my friend :)
A possible reason why pig flesh became taboo among the ancient ancestors of the Hebrews and much later among Islamized Arabs is that some experienced severe famines in which they were forced into cannibalism -- and after surviving their ordeal were repelled by the taste of pig flesh because it closely resembled that of the human bodies they ate to survive. This gruesome fact has been reported by both survivors like those and South Pacific island cannibal tribes who called human meat "long pig".
Plus Pig flesh was banned in Arabia to expel Christian farmers
I really find your understanding of the Quranic verses quite wanting
Can you tell me why
Love your work. Is it possible for you to upload your videos as a podcast on Spotify?
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There is a hadith that says that if a muslim becomes in hardtimes he can kill an enemy and eat them!
he can eat his wife (there will be still 3 more left)
liar
Even babies younger than 6 month can distinguish fair from unfair. They show video segments where there is lets say, a circle, that is being treated unfairly by a trianle, they can see the reactions on the babies' faces that they put on a disatisfied look on their faces. They are unhappy with the triangle every time. We are born knowing right from wrong and having a visceral reaction to actions that are unfair or cause suffering is the norm.
There are interesting debates in philosophy on this topic. But at the most fundamental level, all you need for objective morality is the Golden Rule. Or, if you prefer utilitarian ethics: "minimize suffering". That works too.
Religions that try to govern morality with religious laws are incredibly flawed. Abrahamic religions tend to do this the most.
You are the measure. The wisdom of life inhabits you. You are the living scriptures!
Know thyself!
WHAT IS SPECIAL ABOUT BEING A HINDU?
By Francois Gautier.
Diversity in Divinity and Unity in Spirituality.
1) Believe in God ! - Aastik - Accepted
2) Don't believe in God ! - You're accepted as Nastik
3) You want to worship idols - please go ahead. You are a murti pujak.
4) You dont want to worship idols - no problem. You can focus on Nirguna Brahman.
5) You want to criticise something in our religion. Come forward. We are logical. Nyaya, Tarka etc. are core Hindu schools.
6) You want to accept beliefs as it is. Most welcome. Please go ahead with it.
7) You want to start your journey by reading Bhagvad Gita - Sure !
8) You want to start your journey by reading Upanishads - Go ahead.
9) You want to start your journey by reading Purana - Be my guest.
10) You just don't like reading Puranas or other books. No problem my dear. Go by Bhakti tradition . ( bhakti- devotion)
11) You don't like idea of Bhakti ! No problem. Do your Karma. Be a karmayogi.
12) You want to enjoy life. Very good. No problem at all. This is Charvaka Philosophy.
13) You want to abstain from all the enjoyment of life & find God - jai ho ! Be a Sadhu, an ascetic !
14) You don't like the concept of God. You believe in Nature only - Welcome. (Trees are our friends and Prakriti or nature is worthy of worship).
15) You believe in one God or Supreme Energy. Superb! Follow Advaita philosophy
16) You want a Guru. Go ahead. Receive gyaan.
17) You don't want a Guru.. Help yourself ! Meditate, Study !
18) You believe in Female energy ! Shakti is worshipped.
19) You believe that every human being is equal. Yeah! You're awesome, come on let's celebrate Hinduism!
"Vasudhaiva kutumbakam" (the world is a family)
20) You don't have time to celebrate the festival.
Don't worry. One more festival is coming! There are multiple festivals every single day of the year.
21) You are a working person. Don't have time for religion. Its okay. You will still be a Hindu.
22) You like to go to temples. Devotion is loved.
23) You don't like to go to temples - no problem. You are still a Hindu!
24) You know that Hinduism ☺ is a way of life, with considerable freedom.
25) You believe that everything has God in it. So you worship your mother, father, guru, tree, River, Prani-matra, Earth, Universe!
26) And If you don't believe that everything has GOD in it - No problems. Respect your viewpoint.
27) "Sarve jana sukhino bhavantu " (May you all live happily)
You represent this! You're free to choose, my dear Hindu!
This is exactly the essence of Hinduism, all inclusive .. That is why it has withstood the test of time inspite of repeated onslaught both from within and outside, and assimilated every good aspects from everything . That is why it is eternal !!!
There is a saying in Rigveda , the first book ever known to mankind which depicts the Hinduism philosophy in a Nutshell -" Ano bhadrah Krathavo Yanthu Vishwathah"- Let the knowledge come to us from every direction "......
Then yours isn't a religion
Its just a godown full of various books (opinions)
Naik says
"If you eat Pig you act like Pig".
He eats goats
Morality *cannot* be simply about reducing suffering or the most moral act possible would be to painlessly euthanase every human being. No human beings => no human suffering => goal of morality completely satisfied.
There are other definitions, like the Soviet "morality is whatever serves the interests of the State" or the Nazi "morality is whatever advances the only true human race, the Arayan people".
One person has a toothache, another has just been dumped by his fiancee. How do you combine these kinds of suffering to arrive at the total which is to be minimised? If we change society so there are fewer dunpings but nore toothaches, is that a morally good change?
This whole idea of quantifiable combinable suffering (or its mirror image, happiness) was realised to be nonsense when the slogan "the greatest good for the greatest number" was understood to be nothing mor than the expression of a sentiment, and not a rule that could guide the behaviour of actual human beings.
So I am sorry, but your "objective morality" is not only not objective, it's not even coherent.
If that were not enough, it requires human beings to have god-level powers of foresight which they just do not have.
(Which was the other fatal flaw of Utilitarianism.) It is brutally obvious that some actions will cause immediate suffering without any justification. But what about long term? Given the choice of voting for party X or party Y, which will cause the more suffering in the long term? I have Australian citizenship. If I had been living in Australia iat the time of the last election, I would have voted in entire ignorance of the depth of evil that Australian politicians and police would sink to. A choice for less suffering then might have contributed to great suffering now.
While we agree abiout Islam, you need a radically different foundation for morality than the one you offer here.
Your first sentence is incorrect. Not just Reduce suffering but increase thriving. We all want to live right?
The way I interpret this "absolute morality" thing is as follows:
By defining rules which supposedly come from God you effectively get a prohibition to put them into question.
It means nothing else than "shut up and do what we say".
Morality is subjective in that it evolves? I don't disagree but I'm thinking whether it's that we come to understand better what is good for us, rather than it "evolving" and so secularism could claim objective morality.
Anyway, I think the strongest argument in this video was that "what about new moral issues"... AI, robots for one. Quran is in no way eternal source for answer to moral dilemmas.