The numeric keypad was a proven concept, having been done to great success on the Intellivision console, allowing more advanced gameplay (see games like Utopia, Sub Hunt, and too many more to list). Numeric keypads also appeared on the Colecovision and the Atari 5200. So it’s inclusion on the Jag was somewhat unconventional by 1993, but not without precedent. I think the only thing the original Jaguar controller was missing was two shoulder buttons, honestly, which would have given you five buttons plus the numeric keypad. But they did later come out with a 6-button controller instead.
The Panther being Motorola 68000-based is interesting, given the rumours they intended to market the Panther as 32-bit. The 68k chip is internally 32-bit, but cost-reduced to communicate with the rest of the system over a 16-bit bus. The reason the Jaguar has a legitimate claim to being a 64-bit system is that it has a 64-bit system bus, letting two or more of its chips use the bus simultaneously. And some homebrew has gotten some pretty impressive results from the Jaguar, given it was an inexpensive system released in 1993. Would the Panther have been the same, and had a 32-bit bus? If so, what other chip(s)? Would have shared that bus? Fascinating!
Not simultaneously, but it runs at 28 MHz and as on AtariST every cycle a different processor can use the bus. RAM runs at 14 MHz in fast page mode. So if the memory controller could just block traffic from leaving the chip every second cycle, we would have internal free bandwidth. So even with a single bus, the blitter could blit from RAM to GPU or linebuffer or palette at full speed. If those all would accept 64 bit in their input latches ( hint: they accept 32 bit or less ).
I’ve not previously considered a downside of CDs the inability to put extra chips in the game. Interesting point. And that practice goes back a lot further than the SuperFX chip. Some 7800 games had Atari’s “Pokey” sound chip in the cartridge. And even 2600 games sometimes had extra RAM and RAM-banking chips in them as RAM costs came down later in the 2600’s life.
Pitfall II for the 2600 had a chip that added extra horsepower to the system. From the web: “Game creator David Crane engineered and patented a special component that was embedded in the cartridge along with the game's ROM. Called a Display Processor Chip (DPC), it enabled Pitfall II to be capable of much more than any other cartridge for the console.”
It was a time of entrepreneurial gaming and culture. Capitalism at its finest. Creative thinking. Maybe you like living in your socialist country now with 2 choices for everything. I picture you with a Walmart hat and an Xbox T-shirt typing this comment 😂😂😂
@@MikeRotch-ur7sx couldn't be more wrong. Massive amount of gaming on: XBox, PlayStation, Switch, PC, Android, and iPhone. There is a whole heap of various other gaming platforms such as a plethora of retro emulating devices, handheld PCs ala Steam Deck, Panic Playdate, Pico-8, Atari VCS, and others too. 90s have nothing on today.
@@AFourEyedGeek Agree to disagree further, your generation has no shortage of energy drink choices and rehashed, rebooted, remade films and games from which decade????
The Lynx sold about two million units, so it was a pretty big success by Atari’s post-2600 standards. That’s half as many units as the 7800, but twice as many as the 5200. And about 9x more units than the Jaguar sold. Though I loved my Jag, and my roommates and I had a hell of a lot of fun with it, for what it’s worth. :-)
So much wasted time and money went into all of the ATARI malarkey trying to compete with SEGA and Nintendo. If only they had directed all of that money into software as a third party for the big two instead.
You got to remember I'm 44 and my cousin s were older that was the og system most of us had that still instead of nentendo nes because Atari was so expensive and or parents didn't want to waste money on something the felt was the same so everyone of us who had the Atari 2600 we had hooked up even when we got a nes or super nes because u would get games for free or almost nothing towards the end of its life and that's all we knew at first it was still fun for us
They didn't want to be part of the existing ecosystems and only get their share of the pie. They wanted their own ecosystems they could control and get a share of everyone's pie (via licensing fees). And it's not thinking that has gone extinct. Look at what Epic Games has done in the PC space and what they tried to do in the mobile space.
Is there a single console video that doesn’t start at the 80s video game crash? I mean, I know we need some context for these things but every single console at any time it’s always “the video game crash of the early 80s led to the rise of Nintendo…. Something something and that’s when the Neo Geo CD hit the scene!”
I kept my Jag and cd unit in my loft from the late 90's. Got it all down in June and sold it all off for about £1,200 in separate lots. I did spend a few weeks revisiting my 30's playing the games. Most of the games were not great like Trevor McFur, truly awful. But there were some really great games like Tempest and Doom. Such a shame that the CD unit wasn't utilised more. But mine did work even after nearly 25 years in my roof. That got me £650 on it's own, just amazed. But I do miss all of the Atari stuff. I was such a huge Atari fan.
this has to take a lot of effort, a lot of research, a lot of investment, a lot of time, editing... i get the impression that she works harder to produce this kind of content then most youtubers and i appreciate her sense of humor. i hope one of these goes viral and she reaches 1 million subs. anybody who puts in that much time, money, effort, deserves to be rewarded with success, may this comment help fuel the algorithm
In gaming groups I’ve seen massive hate for her and I’m convinced it’s just sexism and elitism. Me? I want documentaries about video games and this husband and wife duo delivers. Nothing else matters.
I remember trying out the demo of Aliens vs Predators and wanting the Jaguar for that, but the controller was just so bad feeling in my hands it negated any desire. Maybe the Duo being released instead of the Jaguar, and a better controller could have convinced me, but I still doubt it with all their other "brilliant" strategies.
The cartridge seems to need a lot of components and space on the PCB. With the low data rate of the CD a serial connection to Jerries SPI pin suffices.
@@maroon9273the real problem is that both Jerry and the 68k only use 16 bit of the bus and need multiple cycles become Tom cannot distinguish them ( a bug, I think ). Jerry should be 64 bit. 68k and the cartridge should sit behind a bridge with a 4 phrases cache. Cartridges 16 bit always.
The numeric keypad was a proven concept, having been done to great success on the Intellivision console, allowing more advanced gameplay (see games like Utopia, Sub Hunt, and too many more to list). Numeric keypads also appeared on the Colecovision and the Atari 5200. So it’s inclusion on the Jag was somewhat unconventional by 1993, but not without precedent. I think the only thing the original Jaguar controller was missing was two shoulder buttons, honestly, which would have given you five buttons plus the numeric keypad. But they did later come out with a 6-button controller instead.
Lady Decade´s gorgeous accent, a necessity for gracious living...
The Panther being Motorola 68000-based is interesting, given the rumours they intended to market the Panther as 32-bit. The 68k chip is internally 32-bit, but cost-reduced to communicate with the rest of the system over a 16-bit bus. The reason the Jaguar has a legitimate claim to being a 64-bit system is that it has a 64-bit system bus, letting two or more of its chips use the bus simultaneously. And some homebrew has gotten some pretty impressive results from the Jaguar, given it was an inexpensive system released in 1993. Would the Panther have been the same, and had a 32-bit bus? If so, what other chip(s)? Would have shared that bus? Fascinating!
Not simultaneously, but it runs at 28 MHz and as on AtariST every cycle a different processor can use the bus. RAM runs at 14 MHz in fast page mode. So if the memory controller could just block traffic from leaving the chip every second cycle, we would have internal free bandwidth. So even with a single bus, the blitter could blit from RAM to GPU or linebuffer or palette at full speed. If those all would accept 64 bit in their input latches ( hint: they accept 32 bit or less ).
The Jaguar blitter was 64 bit also
I’ve not previously considered a downside of CDs the inability to put extra chips in the game. Interesting point. And that practice goes back a lot further than the SuperFX chip. Some 7800 games had Atari’s “Pokey” sound chip in the cartridge. And even 2600 games sometimes had extra RAM and RAM-banking chips in them as RAM costs came down later in the 2600’s life.
Pitfall II for the 2600 had a chip that added extra horsepower to the system. From the web:
“Game creator David Crane engineered and patented a special component that was embedded in the cartridge along with the game's ROM. Called a Display Processor Chip (DPC), it enabled Pitfall II to be capable of much more than any other cartridge for the console.”
SEGACD put extra chip into the system, but like on Jaguar, the system bus is the real limit. So you want a cartridge with 64 data pins and then some??
Love it! The Duo wasn't really necessary since the Jaguar CD itself was a failure.
They should've used the duo convept with the jaguar 2 or just released a jaguar pc graohics card or pci computer add-on like the 3do blaster.
Something all these failed 90s consoles had in common was there was no long-term thinking. All the companies just expected things to work out.
Just like me！
Didn't you know "If you build it, they will come" is the matra of the console manufacturers of the 90s?
It was a time of entrepreneurial gaming and culture. Capitalism at its finest. Creative thinking. Maybe you like living in your socialist country now with 2 choices for everything. I picture you with a Walmart hat and an Xbox T-shirt typing this comment 😂😂😂
@@MikeRotch-ur7sx couldn't be more wrong. Massive amount of gaming on: XBox, PlayStation, Switch, PC, Android, and iPhone. There is a whole heap of various other gaming platforms such as a plethora of retro emulating devices, handheld PCs ala Steam Deck, Panic Playdate, Pico-8, Atari VCS, and others too.
90s have nothing on today.
@@AFourEyedGeek Agree to disagree further, your generation has no shortage of energy drink choices and rehashed, rebooted, remade films and games from which decade????
32 KB of system RAM?! If those rumours are accurate, that would have been ridiculously low. Wow. Especially for 68k code!
Yet another great in depth vid from Lady D! I just love your vids! Keep up the great work.
At least the duo didnt look like a toilet, and the CD drive might have actually worked!!!!
The Lynx sold about two million units, so it was a pretty big success by Atari’s post-2600 standards. That’s half as many units as the 7800, but twice as many as the 5200. And about 9x more units than the Jaguar sold. Though I loved my Jag, and my roommates and I had a hell of a lot of fun with it, for what it’s worth. :-)
O MEME da Nazaré em um canal gringo??? Eu vivi para ver isso!!!! BRAZIL!!!!
Atari should've released the Jaguar Duo INSTEAD of the normal Jaguar. Possibly, without the cartridge slot and related circuitry.
Hey, the Jaguar comes out this week....30 years ago!
It may look like bathroom scales, but it's still a lot sleeker than the actual Jaguar! ('Alien vs Predator' is still awesome though!)
Aliens Vs Predator on the jaguar is one of the best games ever.
Thanks for another great video!
No feet 😢
So much wasted time and money went into all of the ATARI malarkey trying to compete with SEGA and Nintendo. If only they had directed all of that money into software as a third party for the big two instead.
You got to remember I'm 44 and my cousin s were older that was the og system most of us had that still instead of nentendo nes because Atari was so expensive and or parents didn't want to waste money on something the felt was the same so everyone of us who had the Atari 2600 we had hooked up even when we got a nes or super nes because u would get games for free or almost nothing towards the end of its life and that's all we knew at first it was still fun for us
They didn't want to be part of the existing ecosystems and only get their share of the pie. They wanted their own ecosystems they could control and get a share of everyone's pie (via licensing fees). And it's not thinking that has gone extinct. Look at what Epic Games has done in the PC space and what they tried to do in the mobile space.
Is there a single console video that doesn’t start at the 80s video game crash? I mean, I know we need some context for these things but every single console at any time it’s always “the video game crash of the early 80s led to the rise of Nintendo…. Something something and that’s when the Neo Geo CD hit the scene!”
Maybe the Jaguar development should have been "paw"sed.
I kept my Jag and cd unit in my loft from the late 90's. Got it all down in June and sold it all off for about £1,200 in separate lots. I did spend a few weeks revisiting my 30's playing the games. Most of the games were not great like Trevor McFur, truly awful. But there were some really great games like Tempest and Doom. Such a shame that the CD unit wasn't utilised more. But mine did work even after nearly 25 years in my roof. That got me £650 on it's own, just amazed. But I do miss all of the Atari stuff. I was such a huge Atari fan.
Atari Jag-ooh-war. Love that accent
Interesting video 😊
I used to have one of those but one day we moved and i dont know where it ended. :(
Thanks for mention that the video-game crash was only a USA thing. :) Drives me crazy to hear europeans talking about it as a global phenomenon... ;)
Lady Decade!❤❤❤❤❤❤❤😄
this has to take a lot of effort, a lot of research, a lot of investment, a lot of time, editing...
i get the impression that she works harder to produce this kind of content then most youtubers
and i appreciate her sense of humor. i hope one of these goes viral and she reaches 1 million subs.
anybody who puts in that much time, money, effort, deserves to be rewarded with success, may this comment help fuel the algorithm
In gaming groups I’ve seen massive hate for her and I’m convinced it’s just sexism and elitism.
Me? I want documentaries about video games and this husband and wife duo delivers. Nothing else matters.
it looks like a toilette 😂😂😂
Jag-yoo-ar :)))) love it!
If CNN ever had a dedicated video game news segment, Lady Decade would so be the perfect candidate for its host.
There’s always a failure in the gaming industry
Atari 🕹️ Jaguar 🐆
Another cool video ….. I love learning about 90’s consoles
Excellent wardrobe department.
she has style
I remember trying out the demo of Aliens vs Predators and wanting the Jaguar for that, but the controller was just so bad feeling in my hands it negated any desire. Maybe the Duo being released instead of the Jaguar, and a better controller could have convinced me, but I still doubt it with all their other "brilliant" strategies.
The Atari Jaguar was one of the consoles in the past I had absolutely no interest in
Atari would’ve probably been better off making the original jaguar a cd based system to begin with
Plus, fixing the graphics chips bugs and replacing the limited 68k with a 68k020.
The cartridge seems to need a lot of components and space on the PCB. With the low data rate of the CD a serial connection to Jerries SPI pin suffices.
@@maroon9273the real problem is that both Jerry and the 68k only use 16 bit of the bus and need multiple cycles become Tom cannot distinguish them ( a bug, I think ). Jerry should be 64 bit. 68k and the cartridge should sit behind a bridge with a 4 phrases cache. Cartridges 16 bit always.
*I laugh every time she says Jaguar* ...
u mean fella
There was only room for one anti-Nintendo console, and Sony was just better than Sega or Atari.
Are you single?
She’s married to Top Hat Gaming Man. They are the king and queen of gaming history documentaries.
I know John Hardie and will tell him he got a mention in your video