Do you even play taekwondo , so t judge things without actually seeing it yourself , well I can't disagree with the part that taekwondo nowdays is about gaining the point
I think the worst thing to happen to the sport was electronic scoring. Im saying this but its a catch 22. There was alot of complaints about incompetent scoring at the time (even cheating or intentionally not scoring points) back in the day. So the electronic scoring system solved a problem, but created another in taking away the incentive for raw aggression. You dont need to hit your opponent hard anymore, just tapping hard enough to register will do. Shock is not a thing anymore, the sport is "cleaner" I suppose, but the solution to end scoring controversy came at a (I believe) heavy cost. Mainstream Taekwondo competion has now moved even further away from realistic combat I think. To be honest, I think the goal of the WTF was always to be a better Olympic sport. Authenticity likely fell to the very bottom of priorities for the WTF's decision authorities somewhere in the early to mid 2010s.
This is half true and half false. Training regimen stays the same most of the techniques on the other hand changed to comply with this format but nonethless kicks are still fast and strong, what changed is the explosive and bombarded attacks. Tho sparring outside of competition still hurts and exhausting due to the lack of electronic counting(in my experience).
@@USSSoyuz @craig gantt about not hitting hard anymore, there are still alot of practitioners that practice new school that packs quite the kick. Especially those who experience old and new school like myself. Yes, raw aggression is gone but (in some occassion) you can till see power and speed. Or maybe we are just in diff locations and experiences.
@@me...2381 I'll have to respectfully disagree again, the front leg kicks are not designed for power, theres so little of the body that turns into them. They were always desigend to be checks, quick taps to either score or let your opponent know you're there and you see what they're doing. I've trained with the absolute best everytime Ive returned to TKD, the difference in objective and style must be obvious, even to the casual observer. TKD (at least the one I grew up with) is an action philosophy: "hit hard, hit fast, be accurate". Can you honestly say that is what you're seeing in this video?
@@USSSoyuz i agree with what you are saying with front leeg kicks. I too only use them to check, push, or dissorient opponnets still you would use back leg for counter after using front leg kicks. I dont know from what i see and experience. 1 flexibility to aim for those electronic spots (now these dont have much power but rather great point taker) 2 even so we are still thought of using front leg as point getter while using back leg as counter. just additional info i grew up in old school styleof TKD, stoped a few years come back in the new style of TKD even so the coach still mostly teach students how to be smart in pointing but still gives power. Yes, raw agression is not abundant anymore but tactical pointing and more ways to land a head or turning is rising. But front leg is not to be mess with either since they can knock you out especially S-kicks and front leg axe. They dont have the turning ability of other kicks but still great point getter and sure to give your enemy "run for their money"-figure of speech. I too miss old school TKD but this new school aint weak either, Just different. Plus there are a lot of coaches out there who teach old school TKD with a few lessons on pointing in new school.
we really need this back.. I'm a little scared of the new championships. But I will still do taekwondo for me it is not a hindrance. You can always train yourself.
Front leg is closer to the target that’s why most players prefer their front leg. Especially if you’re a tall guy, all you have to do is push the smaller guy and open him for a power shot
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I have no idea how TKD looks today, or how it transformed over the last 25 years but this is how I remember it from when I was training in the early 90s. Fast, furious and looking for knockouts. We did a lot more axe kicking though. :)
I just watched the US Gold Medal winning gal in Tokyo. That isn't TaeKwonDo!! This is what I learned and fought in the 90's. I won the State Championship for Seniors (over 35) at age 50. If I would have fought like they do today, I wouldn't have made it past the first match. I am enjoying watching this. Thank you for posting it.
If this kind of match will be in my matches, actually I will fear of it but I'll still fight ,and it's such an honor to fight like this ,plus ,is fun too
Entrene TKD en los 90 con el sensei Fernando Oviedo, Campeón Panamericano era mágico verlo combatir, ese estilo es el que aprendí me hizo recordar Vieja escuela por siempre.
martial arts: “minding its business” olympics: lets make it more *fair* Fencing, Tkd, etc: u gotta be kidding me kendo: bro ive only been in the olympic twice because they cant find a way to make it more *fair*
I mean in some places we still do this granted those flying and turning sides are rare due to the head kick meta tho cool 45 spams and head kick weaves especially the head kick weaves are still common
The WTF is ruled by a buncha pussies now... they're trying to, I dunno... I personally know a 92 TKD olympic gold medalist who's constantly writing letters to the WTF and constantly complaining about it. He owns 4 schools in California... I won't name him here... but there are old school practitioners out there complaining about the new "one legged chicken dancing taekwondo."
I am not sure that 1999 would be considered "old school" :-) this was after TKD stopped using punches to the head and only sporadically scored for punches to the body, so we can see that both of these fighters have their hands mostly hanging at their sides. "Old School as in 1970s and earlier looked a lot more like Karate matches. Punches to the head were legal as well as punches to the body. The hands more in a defensive position in those days.
This is how i and my friends train is like but more speed, power and accuracy, and the new style is only a tournament rule it doesn't effect how we train
Back in my taekwondo days are used to be very good with combat and respect and self-depend which some still do but they care about more winning trophies, and going to the Olympics, winning more plastic medals this seems that some taekwondo styles and some instructors out there I have seen they care about putting more money in their own pockets, then caring about what taekwondo was supposed to I still think taekwondo is the best martial arts out there I think some taekwondo instructors need to rethink what taekwondo is post to represent, and not about winning trophies and medals because that does not make a martial artist is the person behind the belt that makes the difference.
That red opponent is have a powerful kick a shit that you will never experience his axe kick. Btw in my highschool days I'm new beginner in Taekwondo and my opponent was a blackbelter she axe kick me on my face but luckily i still got silver medal that was 2016 i can't get over of that fight that was so memorable! 😂
It is just as fun in some places sparring where I'm at ur free to try those techs however if u wanna win tournaments people seem to go for the ugly beeline for the head meta
Technology began to be introduced in 2001 then forced on the sport by the governing bodies. It escalated over the years and naturally evolved as athletes adapted to be able to score points using the new tech. The most horrible outcome for the sport
Long time ago when you got kicked it used to hurt like hell. I mean people used to go to hospitals all the time after matches. Now its like foot tag play lol.
when i did tkd in the late 90s light,medium contact kicks didnt score EVEN if i lands flush............it only scores if it lands HARD and a audio SMACKING sound. and kicks to the head ddnt score unless it lands hard....but new style taekwondo rules all you have to do is tap the electronic chest guard.....and head kicks count even if it barely touches the head gear....like wtf is going on now? People use t make fun of WT taekwondo sparring in the 80's and 90's but now the new style makes old style look super full contact hardcore! lol At least during the 90s we had knock outs nearly 35% of all fights now its like foot fencing.....such a shame.
Good luck trying to find an opening large enough to perform them without getting counter hit Edit:where I spar people are generally very aggressive and are looking for any opportunity to get a good head kick or 45 so getting that triple spin fake is really hard to do in the first or second rotation I am very likely to get hit
I don’t understand why it’s so nerfed. I do taekwondo by the way and it’s fine for sparring but in a fight you should fight I don’t understand martial arts and their weakness when it comes to competition. It’s almost an insult to call it a fight. I box as well and that is actually a fight. Martial arts needs to quit with the rules for little kids and let us adults mix it up and actually fight. Get rid of the body protectors at least headgear is fine to protect you from cuts and bruising but get rid of that stupid goofy protector. Body protector should only be used for kids and when you are sparring.
This Taekwondo style looks good to watch, but this method may pose a risk of injuring athletes, so it seems like it's not allowed in the Olympics. That's why there seems to be a change in the current approach. Just like certain techniques have been prohibited in judo or wrestling, it seems there are changes being made in Taekwondo as well.
Olympic don’t like it because they want to make a martial art spectator friendly.. They did the same with basically every other martial art (Karate, Judo, etc)
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old school: u wanna get hurt?
new school: u wanna get good grades?
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Back when tkd was reverse boxing and not foot tag
Whats the difference?
so glad I leanred this type of taekwondo
@huzusky where. What gym
@@mochiisntbad6762 olympic tkd is more awkward than me trying to talk to other people
Do you even play taekwondo , so t judge things without actually seeing it yourself , well I can't disagree with the part that taekwondo nowdays is about gaining the point
We need this back
Yes same
oh yea yea
@Remington Santino Idunno man, the guy who made it was known for running child grooming rings. Also it doesn’t work, its just a virus lmao.
It’s slowly coming back with the new rules being implemented
@@bigmanbarry2299 what?
Watched the latest version of foot tag and wanted to find some good old footage. This was the TKD I remember.👍
Very good
I think the worst thing to happen to the sport was electronic scoring. Im saying this but its a catch 22. There was alot of complaints about incompetent scoring at the time (even cheating or intentionally not scoring points) back in the day. So the electronic scoring system solved a problem, but created another in taking away the incentive for raw aggression. You dont need to hit your opponent hard anymore, just tapping hard enough to register will do. Shock is not a thing anymore, the sport is "cleaner" I suppose, but the solution to end scoring controversy came at a (I believe) heavy cost. Mainstream Taekwondo competion has now moved even further away from realistic combat I think. To be honest, I think the goal of the WTF was always to be a better Olympic sport. Authenticity likely fell to the very bottom of priorities for the WTF's decision authorities somewhere in the early to mid 2010s.
This is half true and half false. Training regimen stays the same most of the techniques on the other hand changed to comply with this format but nonethless kicks are still fast and strong, what changed is the explosive and bombarded attacks. Tho sparring outside of competition still hurts and exhausting due to the lack of electronic counting(in my experience).
which part is false. I dont think anyone with TKD experience beyond 2010 would disagree with any part of what I said. You should read it again.
@@USSSoyuz @craig gantt about not hitting hard anymore, there are still alot of practitioners that practice new school that packs quite the kick. Especially those who experience old and new school like myself. Yes, raw aggression is gone but (in some occassion) you can till see power and speed. Or maybe we are just in diff locations and experiences.
@@me...2381 I'll have to respectfully disagree again, the front leg kicks are not designed for power, theres so little of the body that turns into them. They were always desigend to be checks, quick taps to either score or let your opponent know you're there and you see what they're doing. I've trained with the absolute best everytime Ive returned to TKD, the difference in objective and style must be obvious, even to the casual observer. TKD (at least the one I grew up with) is an action philosophy: "hit hard, hit fast, be accurate". Can you honestly say that is what you're seeing in this video?
@@USSSoyuz i agree with what you are saying with front leeg kicks. I too only use them to check, push, or dissorient opponnets still you would use back leg for counter after using front leg kicks. I dont know from what i see and experience.
1 flexibility to aim for those electronic spots (now these dont have much power but rather great point taker)
2 even so we are still thought of using front leg as point getter while using back leg as counter.
just additional info i grew up in old school styleof TKD, stoped a few years come back in the new style of TKD even so the coach still mostly teach students how to be smart in pointing but still gives power. Yes, raw agression is not abundant anymore but tactical pointing and more ways to land a head or turning is rising. But front leg is not to be mess with either since they can knock you out especially S-kicks and front leg axe. They dont have the turning ability of other kicks but still great point getter and sure to give your enemy "run for their money"-figure of speech. I too miss old school TKD but this new school aint weak either, Just different. Plus there are a lot of coaches out there who teach old school TKD with a few lessons on pointing in new school.
4:42 what a superb flying kick 😮 it seems like effortlessly executed
we really need this back.. I'm a little scared of the new championships. But I will still do taekwondo for me it is not a hindrance. You can always train yourself.
Fact
Energetic playing and respect amongst the players. This is awesome
И боль почти чувствуется
Old school: Back legs power kicks
New: Front leg cut🥴
true
It's effective for scoring points.
@@pipebombpete.6861 Reject points, embrace power 🗿🗿🗿
Front leg is closer to the target that’s why most players prefer their front leg. Especially if you’re a tall guy, all you have to do is push the smaller guy and open him for a power shot
For fights just like this and more, Checkout:
youtube.com/@TKOFightClubTV?si=0HLB9T3Hgx4D1lAe
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I have no idea how TKD looks today, or how it transformed over the last 25 years but this is how I remember it from when I was training in the early 90s. Fast, furious and looking for knockouts. We did a lot more axe kicking though. :)
I just watched the US Gold Medal winning gal in Tokyo. That isn't TaeKwonDo!! This is what I learned and fought in the 90's. I won the State Championship for Seniors (over 35) at age 50. If I would have fought like they do today, I wouldn't have made it past the first match. I am enjoying watching this. Thank you for posting it.
Согласен с вами. Там просто фиктофка и все
The old good taekwondo 👌
Yes, I do agree! Do watch my videos🙏
I’m almost positive the referee was my first TKD instructor Steven Alcala from Sweetwater Texas
Yes, that is correct
Tae Kwon Do used to be this cool?
Sadly it is mainly McDojos now.
Good old days. Yes, bring this back!
It’s slowly coming back with the rule changes
Wait, should I prepare the coffin?
if u master old school tradition taekwondo and then master boxing i am pretty sure u would be a demi god in a fight
Fact
@@martinomegachad2560Taekwondo e uma merda
Look up Steve Vick
When Taekwondo was about fighting and not exibicionism
If this kind of match will be in my matches, actually I will fear of it but I'll still fight ,and it's such an honor to fight like this ,plus ,is fun too
Entrene TKD en los 90 con el sensei Fernando Oviedo, Campeón Panamericano era mágico verlo combatir, ese estilo es el que aprendí me hizo recordar Vieja escuela por siempre.
martial arts: “minding its business”
olympics: lets make it more *fair*
Fencing, Tkd, etc: u gotta be kidding me
kendo: bro ive only been in the olympic twice because they cant find a way to make it more *fair*
I'm from Houston originally. I went to HighSchool with Gene Lopez and his family. I trained taekwondo though through a different school.
so glad I am learning this kind of taekwondo
I love the way they exchanged hits 👍
Taekwondo mi pasión. ...
I wish it was still like this
back when tkd is so much fun to watch
I mean in some places we still do this granted those flying and turning sides are rare due to the head kick meta tho cool 45 spams and head kick weaves especially the head kick weaves are still common
That's a great counter at 2:01
This is more like real fighting and UFC than the modern stuff. What rule changes do you think are needed to get things back on track like this?
The WTF is ruled by a buncha pussies now... they're trying to, I dunno... I personally know a 92 TKD olympic gold medalist who's constantly writing letters to the WTF and constantly complaining about it. He owns 4 schools in California... I won't name him here... but there are old school practitioners out there complaining about the new "one legged chicken dancing taekwondo."
Um first they need to get rid of the electric sparring gear....
@@weekendpartier Perez? Just nod lol
@@zl1gee shhhh
@@zl1gee I hit the thumbs up button, but feel so strongly about this I needed to post to cosign this statement.
I'm glad Non Olympic taekwondo still uses manual point systems. But even then, I want this kind of TKD back
I am not sure that 1999 would be considered "old school" :-) this was after TKD stopped using punches to the head and only sporadically scored for punches to the body, so we can see that both of these fighters have their hands mostly hanging at their sides. "Old School as in 1970s and earlier looked a lot more like Karate matches. Punches to the head were legal as well as punches to the body. The hands more in a defensive position in those days.
epoca dorada 👍
The shout they make when they kick is very original. “A-seyy(아~세이)!” It’s boy’s shout for final blow in the street fights.
This is how i and my friends train is like but more speed, power and accuracy, and the new style is only a tournament rule it doesn't effect how we train
Indeed
Miss this days. nowadays its just a ballet
Yes, very sad to see what they have done to the sport. All in the name of technological advance
I stara i nova WTF škola, pogrešno postavljena, nanesena ogromna šteta taekwondou.
Always liked this fight.they seem to use every kick in tkd and seem to avoid those headshots like a couple boxers,not a block in sight
This is TAEKWONDO !!!!!
I must really be old because "old school TKD" to me is the 1970's with at least a reverse punch thrown in here and there 😉
Good stuff 🥋🥋🥋
Stay cool. Good fighting!
Taekwondo 90'an
태권도 11단 승단심사 받을때가 엊그제 같구나
🔥
They need to bring TKD back to this, just letting them unload into their opponents
Technology make everything change
4:39 damn son
Back when guys were trying to take your head off
Definitely old school.
Nice
Yeah ! Old is Gold Man !
Today I enter a gym and everything changed, impressive
Punches and kicks . Old school was God
Good, old fashioned, ass-kicking TKD...my kind of Martial Art...
Back in my taekwondo days are used to be very good with combat and respect and self-depend which some still do but they care about more winning trophies, and going to the Olympics, winning more plastic medals this seems that some taekwondo styles and some instructors out there I have seen they care about putting more money in their own pockets, then caring about what taekwondo was supposed to I still think taekwondo is the best martial arts out there I think some taekwondo instructors need to rethink what taekwondo is post to represent, and not about winning trophies and medals because that does not make a martial artist is the person behind the belt that makes the difference.
This entire thing is one sentence 💀
Nice video
Very hype
Finally using something else than front kick
Bring it back
Would love to see it happen but I am afraid it’s too far gone
@@EddieBrochin :(
This is not old school Taekwondo back, in the 70s old school Taekwondo Fighters fought with their hands up.
is there any vid around? Why they changed the rules and way ot fighting?
yeah I don't understand how using full protective gear and fighting olympic style is old school lol
@@joshuabrant3487 exactly
That red opponent is have a powerful kick a shit that you will never experience his axe kick. Btw in my highschool days I'm new beginner in Taekwondo and my opponent was a blackbelter she axe kick me on my face but luckily i still got silver medal that was 2016 i can't get over of that fight that was so memorable! 😂
I’ve been doing tkd for a lil over a year, and Olympic sparring is bullshit we need to bring this back
Fly kick it's beautiful
4:41 that’s what happens when you take your eyes off the opponent.
When TKD wasn't foot fencing. 😭
Not gonna lie i like old school more than a new school idk why
This looks like so much fun. Our modern sparing is more mellow than this.
It is just as fun in some places sparring where I'm at ur free to try those techs however if u wanna win tournaments people seem to go for the ugly beeline for the head meta
Real taekwondo
Very great match
I'm here right after watching a video of the recent Olympics. Can someone explain to me what/when changed, how'd it go from legit fighting to footsie?
Technology began to be introduced in 2001 then forced on the sport by the governing bodies. It escalated over the years and naturally evolved as athletes adapted to be able to score points using the new tech. The most horrible outcome for the sport
THE FLYING SIDE KICK
Long time ago when you got kicked it used to hurt like hell. I mean people used to go to hospitals all the time after matches. Now its like foot tag play lol.
taekuondo de verdad asi deben ser las peleas
Lo necesitan regresar
Yo peleo asi, cuando vamos contra otra escuela!!
This is how i play i always play some tryhard music and feeling this video in my mind and i destroy in tkd sparring
when i did tkd in the late 90s light,medium contact kicks didnt score EVEN if i lands flush............it only scores if it lands HARD and a audio SMACKING sound. and kicks to the head ddnt score unless it lands hard....but new style taekwondo rules all you have to do is tap the electronic chest guard.....and head kicks count even if it barely touches the head gear....like wtf is going on now?
People use t make fun of WT taekwondo sparring in the 80's and 90's but now the new style makes old style look super full contact hardcore! lol
At least during the 90s we had knock outs nearly 35% of all fights now its like foot fencing.....such a shame.
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Back when taekwondo have no foot fencing
¿old school? dancing and curved position?Low guard?? OLD SCHOOL TKD,was REAL MARTIAL ART!
Depends on how old you are I guess
@@EddieBrochin I´m a Neanderthal !!
good stuff
Michael Woods used to fight Donnie Yen in a few movies
The last call was bogus. The blue guy twice dropped the red guy to the floor and scored on more kicks that he threw than the pompous red guy.
Protecting the lead almost cost him the match
BELLO COMBATE
Hi kick
Can someone explain what they did that people love og taekwondo I know the new taekwondo has hella problems but idk anything about og taekwondo
WTF was so good back in the day..Nowadays it sucks....
It's that or this taking the best of that time that was recorded this happens sometimes during sparring where I'm at
4:41 👌
I like to see old school fights so I can mimic their movements when I spar
Good luck trying to find an opening large enough to perform them without getting counter hit
Edit:where I spar people are generally very aggressive and are looking for any opportunity to get a good head kick or 45 so getting that triple spin fake is really hard to do in the first or second rotation I am very likely to get hit
Old school taekwondo was best 🥋
I don't like today's taekwondo 😐
Based
Fighters vs Pointers
Cut ban button 😀
what had change?
It's a sport now and they just be foot taping in the mew tkd shi
@@tobyanderson8360 cannot understood, please explain
@PHANTOM-MC this means, just tapping on armor is a point and stop fighting?
the red one beating the shit out of him
Ya veo porque mi profesor siempre busca que yo patee de esa forma
Only red one is old school, he is aggressive and not camping
I don’t understand why it’s so nerfed. I do taekwondo by the way and it’s fine for sparring but in a fight you should fight I don’t understand martial arts and their weakness when it comes to competition. It’s almost an insult to call it a fight. I box as well and that is actually a fight. Martial arts needs to quit with the rules for little kids and let us adults mix it up and actually fight. Get rid of the body protectors at least headgear is fine to protect you from cuts and bruising but get rid of that stupid goofy protector. Body protector should only be used for kids and when you are sparring.
Some open karate tournaments let you take off the chest protector. I've seen some Taekwondo guys there and fought a bit with them.
This Taekwondo style looks good to watch, but this method may pose a risk of injuring athletes, so it seems like it's not allowed in the Olympics. That's why there seems to be a change in the current approach. Just like certain techniques have been prohibited in judo or wrestling, it seems there are changes being made in Taekwondo as well.
Olympic don’t like it because they want to make a martial art spectator friendly..
They did the same with basically every other martial art (Karate, Judo, etc)
4:24
Taekwondo was literally boxing but with your feet
Aquí los que hablan español 😅
Siu
Old school never used head gear
That is old, old school