The D&D movie breaks druids - here’s why

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  • I know everybody's going off about the Owlbear, but that's tied to her backstory, as explored in the novelization. It's that 7-shapes-in-as-many-minutes that would REALLY break the game!
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  • @zoeborja5260
    @zoeborja5260 ปีที่แล้ว +5976

    The realest dnd moment was the speak with dead spell and wasting all the damn questions by accident 😂

    • @Revan1939
      @Revan1939 ปีที่แล้ว +257

      I’m sure it’s exactly what my party would do as well

    • @phillipallen3259
      @phillipallen3259 ปีที่แล้ว +151

      That was so funny, accurate and perfect! I loved that!

    • @bungerroyale112
      @bungerroyale112 ปีที่แล้ว +87

      I've done that before, one of my favourite moments in the film to be honest

    • @pyrobaka5227
      @pyrobaka5227 ปีที่แล้ว +64

      The party I dm'ed for literally did something similar to that once, it was amazing

    • @TTHJJD100
      @TTHJJD100 ปีที่แล้ว +68

      That or spending an hour planning the questions and everything is a useless answer to the plan

  • @PerfectSaga
    @PerfectSaga ปีที่แล้ว +2856

    The DM said it was okay, so we all rolled with it.

    • @master-zaynelotus5048
      @master-zaynelotus5048 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      That's a good one, nice!

    • @JohnWasinger
      @JohnWasinger ปีที่แล้ว +56

      Would the movie director be considered as the DM?

    • @sjhorton1184
      @sjhorton1184 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Exactly why our party's Eladrin Druid can just produce infinite amounts of any fruit or vegetable she wishes. And not even in a "casts druidcraft" kind of way.

    • @DangoHsu
      @DangoHsu ปีที่แล้ว +44

      ​@@JohnWasinger Director of the Movie, or DM for short.

    • @nathannguyen1431
      @nathannguyen1431 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Yeah, it's house rule.
      Another theory I saw on reddit is that she's a custom druid who can't cast spell, but burn spell slots to wildshape, and the slot determines the cr.

  • @MaxwellKasper
    @MaxwellKasper ปีที่แล้ว +2970

    I'm still convinced Ed is a rogue that thinks he's a bard. Those lute sneak attacks were vicious.

    • @zoeborja5260
      @zoeborja5260 ปีที่แล้ว +153

      That’s what my group was saying!!

    • @kerilithia
      @kerilithia ปีที่แล้ว +408

      I'm pretty sure he started as a bard, multiclassed into rogue then wound up surpassing his original class in rogue levels.

    • @MaxwellKasper
      @MaxwellKasper ปีที่แล้ว +46

      @@kerilithia I can dig it.

    • @atsukana1704
      @atsukana1704 ปีที่แล้ว +141

      He also failed to use any bard abilities during the course of the movie

    • @MaxwellKasper
      @MaxwellKasper ปีที่แล้ว +268

      @@atsukana1704 I'd debate that he was handing out inspiration like it was pocket change all movie, but not even a cantrip of casting? Come on, man.

  • @kortanul
    @kortanul ปีที่แล้ว +498

    The movie was a game where the DM went, "Y'know what? Go for it" a lot and was just having fun getting his friends into the game after years of talking about it.

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  • @torfinnzempel6123
    @torfinnzempel6123 ปีที่แล้ว +789

    Agree 100%. I immediately caught that that was too many shifts, but still found it enjoyable.

    • @maddie9602
      @maddie9602 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Yeah, I was like "how high level is she?" Before ultimately deciding it didn't matter and acknowledging, as Ginny said, it's a fun sequence, who cares.
      Similarly, there's a moment where a caster probably should have been aware they were counterspelled, RAW, but it was a fun moment, and it doesn't need to strictly adhere to the rules, it just needs to capture the vibe of playing DnD, which I think it did rather well.

    • @jonsimpson6240
      @jonsimpson6240 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Old-school rules: you have x rounds per level wildshaped. They don't have to be consecutive.

    • @sethb3090
      @sethb3090 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      All she did was wild shape, no spells, so it evens out

    • @durgum
      @durgum ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The NPC sheets they made gave her 5, but 5 is still not 7 but its the movies.

    • @swspartanhwk
      @swspartanhwk ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well depends on the level cause if she was level 20 it was not too many

  • @PuddinTaim
    @PuddinTaim ปีที่แล้ว +551

    Plot twist: She’s a 4th Edition Druid and can Wild Shape once per turn as a minor action.

    • @nathanielberele9174
      @nathanielberele9174 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Yes!

    • @davidstratton696
      @davidstratton696 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      She’s specifically called a moon druid tho which is a 5e thing. Honestly it matters not tho it’s still fun af to watch.

    • @RamblingSailors
      @RamblingSailors ปีที่แล้ว +57

      New player: Can I bring my 4th edition druid?
      DM: yeah, that should keep everyone guessing.

    • @Ewafingmyth
      @Ewafingmyth ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Plot Untwist: she casted Polymorph

    • @davidstratton696
      @davidstratton696 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@Ewafingmyth That makes more sense. Tho I don’t know y she would use up all her spell slots during that escape 😂. That also would explain y she’s able to transform into an owlbear.
      Also plot untwist? Never heard of that.

  • @GoodOldGamer
    @GoodOldGamer ปีที่แล้ว +1625

    It's not a rule break. It's the DM ruling, "Yeah, that's cool." 👍

    • @PheonixLove
      @PheonixLove ปีที่แล้ว +63

      same as the Owlbear moment😅
      I actually only learned that it's "illegal" for a druid to be able to turn into an Owlbear after watching a video posted by the DnD official account saying that it's ok because they said so😂😅

    • @mikewinans5091
      @mikewinans5091 ปีที่แล้ว +58

      Also the fact that she didn’t cast any traditional spells throughout the movie has me thinking that there is some potential for a homebrew conversion of spell slots to wildshapes. There is precedent for using spell slots to fuel class features (see divine smite) and I don’t think it would break anything to give the Druid access to additional uses of wild shape in an adventuring day, especially if it’s their primary combat ability.

    • @TheRockinDonkey
      @TheRockinDonkey ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@PheonixLove Not gonna lie, at my table, if the narrative called for it, and I could workout a way that it didn't break the game, I would allow for it. Maybe a once a day kind of thing where the druid could only call upon it if they went into some kind of berserk mode because they were in an extreme situation.

    • @TheBreadsticc
      @TheBreadsticc ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Yep! It was creative and clearly didnt break the encounter, so why not allow it? Rules lawyers are boring.

    • @bradwillis7415
      @bradwillis7415 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Exactly

  • @PheonixLove
    @PheonixLove ปีที่แล้ว +1544

    BTW! the official DnD account released a video explaining that it's ok the druid could turn into an Owlbear because they said so😂😂
    which is exactly what a DM would do😅

    • @swadow1497
      @swadow1497 ปีที่แล้ว +83

      One of my players wanted a pet owlbear and so overtime I more and more just transformed the owlbear into a beast type monster. Because like fuck it why not.

    • @cinnastag
      @cinnastag ปีที่แล้ว +34

      It was considered a beast in older versions. DnD 5e is the outlier here.

    • @JaySwag77
      @JaySwag77 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Wait what is an owl bear considered now?

    • @nathans9764
      @nathans9764 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      @@JaySwag77 It's a monstosity in 5E. Most "hybrid" creatures are monstrosities.

    • @cinnastag
      @cinnastag ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@JaySwag77 in 5e it's a Monstrosity.

  • @Owain9797
    @Owain9797 ปีที่แล้ว +178

    My friend and I went on for like 15 minutes after watching it about all the little nitpicky things but, at the end of the day, as fun as it is to nitpick, it couldn’t matter less. The movie was super fun and that’s the thing that matters

    • @sethb3090
      @sethb3090 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Most importantly, it felt like D&D. the nonsense the party got up to was believably stuff players would come up with. The player setting off the trap midway through the explanation and then the DM making up another way for them to get across because crap, I didn't have a plan for what to do if they fail at this ("Um, sorcerer, roll Arcana. 8? Great. So you look at this walking stick and you realize...") was a perfect example.

  • @aeloswindrunner
    @aeloswindrunner ปีที่แล้ว +320

    Agreed, it felt like it was true to the game while making things work for a different medium

    • @Noobie2k7
      @Noobie2k7 ปีที่แล้ว

      The thing is though we've already had 2 full seasons now of Vox Machina which manages to be an entertaining and engaging visual medium while still staying in line with the actual rules and mechanics of the game and the player classes.
      There's not really an excuse.

    • @treaveannyretro92
      @treaveannyretro92 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@Noobie2k7 tv and movies, even though they are both visual mediums, have different rules on how they make storytelling work
      There's also the frontier between live action and animation, which again have both pros and cons on how you need to tackle certain things

  • @TBoring
    @TBoring ปีที่แล้ว +214

    I actually think the party was at level 17 and Doric was using Shapechange (she’s limited in what she can turn into because of her sheltered upbringing). Simon had access to some pretty high leveled spells and seemed pretty certain he could Counterspell the Time Stop indicating he had a 9th level slot.
    Also Ed may be credited as a Bard but he took the Valor Bard subclass at level 3 and then went Mastermind Rogue the rest of the way.

    • @TheGIJew.
      @TheGIJew. ปีที่แล้ว +25

      According to their statblocks on d&d beyond they're all CR5 except for Xenk, and they're not direct 1:1 equivalents to normal character classes. There's no way any of them were equivalent to level 17. Technically you can counterspell any level spell with a third level slot, so the highest level spell we know Simon cast was Bigby's Hand

    • @TBoring
      @TBoring ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@TheGIJew.he does use Reverse Gravity (by accident but still). Also I think Simon is a Divine Soul Sorcerer (which is why he was asked to heal at the end) and he cast raise dead 4 times. He could have used Sorcery points for extra spell slots or just upcasted the spell.

    • @waves_under_stars
      @waves_under_stars ปีที่แล้ว +27

      @@TBoring He didn't cast Raise Dead, He casted Speak With Dead, and he used a reflavored scroll to do it

    • @culturewarsdiplomacy
      @culturewarsdiplomacy ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@waves_under_starsneeeeeeerd, I was going to say that.

    • @TheGIJew.
      @TheGIJew. ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@TBoring He used a magic item to cast raise dead, and cast reverse gravity because of wild magic.

  • @lukehodge9026
    @lukehodge9026 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I think it also reflects her panic, where she was just wildly trying things without thinking it through, also she was already spotted as a fly so maybe she wanted something a bit more durable or faster.

  • @TheRealRobertG
    @TheRealRobertG ปีที่แล้ว +182

    On dndbeyond they’ve made doric in a character pack. And on that stat sheet she only has 5 wild shapes per short/long rest. 😂

    • @hoid9407
      @hoid9407 ปีที่แล้ว +61

      DM felt bad about the BBEG's Nat 20 perception roll, so Dorric got some leeway during all that

    • @AFLoneWolf
      @AFLoneWolf ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Nerfed her

    • @Newnodrogbob
      @Newnodrogbob ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah, but didn’t she have a different ability that was basically the same, but with a different name?

    • @Nortarachanges
      @Nortarachanges ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I just retconned the first rat and the cat morphs. They weren’t really needed, and I just imagined she just kept the fly and hawk morphs for those moments ^_^

    • @stbaf5070
      @stbaf5070 ปีที่แล้ว

      Questionable: She could have the Druid 2 Wildshapes from the Druid Class and from her statblock the 5 Bonus Wildshapes as "special action" that include the Owlbear if wanted .. 2 regular + 5 special ability = 7 Wildshapes per Rest

  • @herbertkraft7379
    @herbertkraft7379 ปีที่แล้ว +357

    I totally died at Meteor Swarm + Time Stop. Too many 9th level spellslots.

    • @forceoflazy
      @forceoflazy ปีที่แล้ว +146

      I thought that was something like Melf's Minute Meteors. Those medium sized explosions aren't really what I'd imagine 40ft radius of 40d6 damage would look like.

    • @Veran42
      @Veran42 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Yeah she cast like 20 meteor swarms and I was sitting there with my friend and we both tried not to yell, still a fun movie though

    • @VinceValentine
      @VinceValentine ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Could be an item?

    • @dragonearth5456
      @dragonearth5456 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      @@forceoflazy would have been the older school meter swarm which is a lot of smaller attacks instead of the 4 big ones. Probably wasn’t meteor swarm though so idk.

    • @Sowde38
      @Sowde38 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Could have been a scroll...

  • @silver_tongue_studio
    @silver_tongue_studio ปีที่แล้ว +79

    I also think we are only applying 5e rules to this. There are plenty of 3.5e PrC's that allow this without making a character super powerful.

    • @Krypticklefist
      @Krypticklefist ปีที่แล้ว +15

      This!! Also, while I don't think D&D One was necessarily considered for the movie, at 13th level a druid is free to shift forms freely as a bonus action

    • @Tailon42
      @Tailon42 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Thing is, they specifically called her a Moon Druid which would signify 5e in particular... and the only one to have their subclass called out, unless they did call our Sorcerer a wildmagic path

    • @XanderHarris1023
      @XanderHarris1023 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      ​@@Tailon42 Simon said the anti gravity was Wild Magic but didn't necessarily claim that as his identity.

    • @cinnastag
      @cinnastag ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@XanderHarris1023 Okay but...that's not the same as outright using the words moon druid =)

    • @terra_the_nightingale135
      @terra_the_nightingale135 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Tailon42 the paladin is Oath of the Ancients since he mentioned the tenet of the ancients. I assume Simon was a wild magic sorcerer since they did say he used wild magic.

  • @MGG87
    @MGG87 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    For GinnyDi here and everyone else, there was a DM on set, helping them with mechanics and rules and such. The studio followed as much as they could, but said that for some things (especially with the Wild Shaping) they took the, "filmography over accuracy" approach. Which, it was totally worth it because, it was a great movie.

  • @gabbythegreat4962
    @gabbythegreat4962 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The final battle looked for a second like it was following turn-order, which was awesome. Would love to watch it in slo-mo to see if it actually was or if that was just how the fight choreo looked

    • @donovancall7237
      @donovancall7237 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It was following in turn order, btw! I think they confirmed it that there were about six seconds between that person's attacks.

    • @gabbythegreat4962
      @gabbythegreat4962 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@donovancall7237 That's so cool! I saw it in theaters and was like "I hope that's what I'm seeing!" Thanks for replying!

  • @ryanroyce
    @ryanroyce ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Doric had a homebrew subclass that allowed her to sacrifice her Spellcasting feature for infinite wild shapes that include monstrosities like the Owlbear. Doric's DM was cool like that. :)

    • @Nortarachanges
      @Nortarachanges ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I would be tempted to take that offer. Wonder if it took a bonus action or a full action ^_^

    • @RamblingSailors
      @RamblingSailors ปีที่แล้ว +2

      For casting no spells it had better be a bonus action. It gave her advantage in fights for sure.

    • @neebling
      @neebling ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Okay I accept this headcanon. The whole time I was sitting there wondering why she hadn't cast a single spell. I like this much more.

    • @ryanroyce
      @ryanroyce ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@neebling it has since occurred to me that a subclass that allowed druids to spend spell slots to wildshape (and higher level spell slots to wildshape into non-beasts) would actually be really fun to play

    • @Nortarachanges
      @Nortarachanges ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ryanroyce like an add on to Moon Druid or its own thing?

  • @sixoftwelve6363
    @sixoftwelve6363 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Agreed and I got the impression it wasn’t really based on 5e anyway but much more on 3.5. A lot of people complaining about the “rule breaks” aren’t considering other editions, just 5e, but it was a dnd movie, not a dnd 5th edition movie lol

    • @cinnastag
      @cinnastag ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I think it's based on all versions. She's specifically called a Moon druid, which is a 5e thing. They took the best of all worlds...so everything except 4th edition

  • @deserabailey8500
    @deserabailey8500 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Lol yeah my hubby and i were talking about how she HAS to be level 20 to be able to do that immediately after the movie ended haha XD The deer joke was pretty funny though!

  • @katria2412
    @katria2412 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I totally agree. I play as a druid myself and I love the class, but I still think this scene was super fun. One of my favorites in the movie :D

  • @mysql50
    @mysql50 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Ok, yes, but can we talk about how fabulous that green dress is! 💚💚💚

  • @TheNeobuzzard
    @TheNeobuzzard ปีที่แล้ว +29

    In her prequel book she does a crazy amount of wild shaping (is that what we call it) to the point I had to go reread what a druid could do in the phb

  • @brianlewolfhunt
    @brianlewolfhunt ปีที่แล้ว +6

    That druid escape scene was so much fun that I don't care that it broke the rules. :D

  • @critternovaturient8040
    @critternovaturient8040 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    When the seal is broken by the helmet and immediately talk via sending stone right after

  • @Scott-np7sl
    @Scott-np7sl ปีที่แล้ว +8

    That was probably my fav sequence in the movie. Really fun camera work.

  • @IrisDImtv
    @IrisDImtv ปีที่แล้ว +10

    She also wildshapes while in full metal armor. She's definitely a Dungeon World's druid

    • @harrarswiftfang6682
      @harrarswiftfang6682 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And dungeon world is amazing

    • @_ion04
      @_ion04 ปีที่แล้ว

      Are you referring to the horse armor?

    • @IrisDImtv
      @IrisDImtv ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@_ion04 nope, referring to when she enters a displayed full plate and tryes to blend in while fleeing from the castle

  • @carsonlake3842
    @carsonlake3842 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    But also, I'm pretty sure she was using the ONE D&D playtest rules for a druid. With those rules, all of those wildshapes would still just count as one.

    • @andrecanis4894
      @andrecanis4894 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It was filmed in 2021, maybe it was the other way around and the new druid rules were inspired by the film?

  • @Birdman_LIVE
    @Birdman_LIVE ปีที่แล้ว +19

    You’re 100% right. I have one. Not a rule break per say (and maybe it’s a leveling thing) but I liked how they dramatized attunement.

    • @Nortarachanges
      @Nortarachanges ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Truth!!

    • @WhitneyHempsey
      @WhitneyHempsey ปีที่แล้ว +2

      100% this! Aside from the tubby dragon, that was my favorite.

  • @Ghost-lk2fc
    @Ghost-lk2fc ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Even in an actual game, sometimes the rule of cool is the way to go, and house rules are always a good way to add balance and make it feel a bit more consistent, as well.

  • @noahstrube1027
    @noahstrube1027 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really like how every character got one scene to really got to show off their skills in the movie. That was clearly hers, and it was super fun to watch.

  • @bishfish7726
    @bishfish7726 ปีที่แล้ว +96

    Rip Edgin who's a "bard" but has none of his class abilities :(

    • @katherineberger6329
      @katherineberger6329 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      The way he casts is a lot more subtle than we expect from watching Scanlan Shorthalt, but he definitely casts several bardic spells.

    • @itwasidio1736
      @itwasidio1736 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      You're absolutely right, but his whole narrative purpose is that he ties the whole group together as a strategist rather than mechanically during fights- he definitely didn't min-max like the other characters, which is fine, but DID give Bardic Inspiration in how he spoke to each of them, helping them play to their strengths. Everyone asks FOR the manager, nobody asks ABOUT the manager, basically.

    • @orsolyafekete7485
      @orsolyafekete7485 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      You could very easily argue that he used Bardic Inspiration all the time, and even that he used Song of Rest isn't that big of a stretch

    • @TStalker013
      @TStalker013 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Edgin's an NPC. A plot device by the DM to get the group together and guide them through a heist campaign.

    • @SabertoothDeathmouse
      @SabertoothDeathmouse ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I like to think that he more or less abandoned anything to do with being a harper, which included his bard abilities. Keeping his lute just for blending in. So, while he may have cast some things subconsciously, that's why we didn't see any overt castings.

  • @icreatethingzz
    @icreatethingzz ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As the Druid of the party, I looked to my dungeon master (who was watching the movie with me) during the entire wild shape scene. I was like “ I WANNA DO THAT PLEASEEEE “

  • @serenawestphal9610
    @serenawestphal9610 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The bard wasn’t magic and no I don’t think I it was justified cause it just made him feel kinda lame and pointless. I was waiting for him to be giving everyone some bardic inspiration while they were fighting but nope. And the Druid never used spells she just transformed but I think that’s not a big deal. The bard just made me sad tho :(

    • @itwasidio1736
      @itwasidio1736 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You're absolutely right, but his whole narrative purpose is that he ties the whole group together as a strategist rather than mechanically during fights- he definitely didn't min-max like the other characters, which is fine, but DID give Bardic inspiration in how he spoke to each of them, helping them play to their strengths. Everyone asks FOR the manager, nobody asks ABOUT the manager, basically.

  • @ajpetrina86
    @ajpetrina86 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Player: Can I spell slots for Wild Shapes?
    DM: Absolutely!

  • @pogeman2345
    @pogeman2345 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Someone in the comments section of a WatchMojo video talking about the D&D movie commented that it could be that she's a Master of Many Forms subclass from 3.5 which could explain the multiple wild shapes and how she could become an owlbear.

    • @ciucc3llone
      @ciucc3llone ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, added to the complete warrior's combat shapeshifter

  • @EvanFarshadow
    @EvanFarshadow ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I just like to think Doric is a level 20 Moon Druid that got permission from the DM to become an Owlbear

  • @RIVERSRPGChannel
    @RIVERSRPGChannel ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Agreed
    It was a good movie
    I didn’t like how the bard cast no spells.

    • @momosquad23
      @momosquad23 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      On dnd beyond he has spells and I saw an article where it was stated he'll "level up" and have magic if they were blessed enough to be able to do a sequel

    • @Sowde38
      @Sowde38 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I think he's a rogue with a lute

    • @josephmorphew397
      @josephmorphew397 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I feel like he was a rouge with a couple levels in bard. If felt like he had the inspiring leader feat as well.

  • @amvcoven128
    @amvcoven128 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Watched the movie today. It was so good! It had lots of charm and fun moments.

  • @Badbart1967
    @Badbart1967 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    Druids also can't transform into monsters, yet the movie has the druid change into an Owlbear.

    • @TheGIJew.
      @TheGIJew. ปีที่แล้ว +6

      you didn't read the video description or the novel about Doric's backstory

    • @PheonixLove
      @PheonixLove ปีที่แล้ว +21

      the DnD official account addressed this actually.
      they said it's possible in the movie because they said so.
      pulling a true DM move😂😅

    • @ArinaCoryn
      @ArinaCoryn ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It's going to be officially possible once the new rulings/revamps drop in 2024

    • @vincentabramo7175
      @vincentabramo7175 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      in older versions, they were able to.

    • @danbance5799
      @danbance5799 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Owlbears aren't monsters, they're just misunderstood.

  • @Omega_Orion
    @Omega_Orion ปีที่แล้ว

    That was like the one thing I pointed out to my mom as not being possible in the rules, but it also helped me segue into "The Rule of Cool" and homebrew as a whole. The idea that even the filmmakers weren't forced to abide by the rules we'll ignore sometimes makes me so happy

  • @justanotherdayinthelife9841
    @justanotherdayinthelife9841 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Druids should be able to have more wild shapes than they do now. Balance it by making the druid drop out of a shape once they have reached the regular hp max of the animal OR the character (whichever comes first) in damage. Allow them to have as many wild shapes before rest as they have levels.

  • @naten6981
    @naten6981 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The post credit scene should have been all the actors sitting around the table playing the game. (Kind of like in "1 for all")

  • @itsthatwhale
    @itsthatwhale ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The other rule break is that she shouldn't be able to turn into an owlbear

  • @stuponfucious7
    @stuponfucious7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Red Wizard dodging MAGIC FREAKING MISSILE at the end was a rule break.

  • @WhatsUpGazpacho
    @WhatsUpGazpacho ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I wish combat and wildshape and everything was more like how it was depicted in the movie
    BUT I understand that there is a huge difference between an on screen adaptation and a game with multiple players all with cool things to do
    As a DM, I will try to implement more of what was in the movie however, as that's just what I like. Dael from @MonarchsFactory on @GhostfireGaming said maybe a druid could use their spell slots for more wildshapes and I am here for that kind of game

  • @annalachelt7441
    @annalachelt7441 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It was also some REALLY REALLY cool special effects!! Loved the wild shapes!

  • @duckmaster5512
    @duckmaster5512 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think they should add a special version of wild shape where you can transform at will but, damage should carry over between all forms

  • @flameofmage1099
    @flameofmage1099 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm glad I'm not the only one that counted the wildshapes lol

  • @24kRobot
    @24kRobot ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent and spot on opinion!! I’m so glad you understand not to get hung up on the deets, so to speak. It was a fun introduction and still a great fan service. Sometimes, in story telling especially a visually one requires some liberties.

  • @Micaerys
    @Micaerys ปีที่แล้ว +2

    To me it made complete sense. To allow Simon to be the magical guy in the team they took away Doric's opportunities to use her own, so instead they allowed her to turn her Wild Shapes into her iconic move, her specialty

    • @_ion04
      @_ion04 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Also why we see the bard do skill checks, bardic inspiration, and strategy, instead of spellcasting.

    • @Micaerys
      @Micaerys ปีที่แล้ว

      @@_ion04 Same reason. If we have magical guy Vs magical guy who's also an strategist and musician, the first one is less interesting, so they left Edgin with his natural charm and sharp mind, and his magic is less... Visual

  • @allaryin
    @allaryin ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The rockie-talkies Simon hands out are very different than a standard sending stone pair. My kids noticed that one ;)

  • @WolfricThorsson
    @WolfricThorsson ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The druid using a metal dagger as well to chip at the stone through the portal lol

  • @taliabatten6042
    @taliabatten6042 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I heard a couple people they were using 3e for the druid rules. Apparently there were 3e rules for excessive wildshaping and magical creature wildshapes. The producer played 3e.

    • @jasonreed7522
      @jasonreed7522 ปีที่แล้ว

      They also appeared to distill each class into a specific role.
      Wizard/sorcerer == magic user
      Druid == turns into animals
      Barbarian == good martial fighter
      Bard == party face, inspiration, music
      Paladin == holier than thou, powerful martial fighter
      Besides its almost impossible to break the rules of DnD when the first rule is that the DM can modify the rules as they see fit for their game. (The DMG is a book not a cop)

  • @john.dough.
    @john.dough. ปีที่แล้ว

    Really great way to express this! Thanks for sharing

  • @pottersdog
    @pottersdog ปีที่แล้ว

    Occasionally I grant druids one or two additional transformations (dependant) whenever that wouldn't involve them exhausting themselves and only outside combat etc since it gives them more options for solving problems with flavour and creativity whilst the rest of the party are sprinting at the speed of sound across the map, reading peoples minds etc. I've seen the table really enjoy it when the druid used it to mess with an npc and frame someone for something hilarious. It's then that they realised they didn't need combat to solve every confrontation or quest and started gelling as a group. You can also give them the option for an extra transformation in a dire situation but only into a small/tiny creature if you want a more combat based house roll, basically if they fail to escape and regroup after that they have so few hp that the enemy can one hit them but it gives them and the party a small chance to survive the encounter.

  • @matrixiekitty2127
    @matrixiekitty2127 ปีที่แล้ว

    You explained adaptations so well!! You’re right, it’s not about accuracy as much as it is respect for the original source material! There are just some things that don’t work in film and visa versa

  • @dohrniigamesgamedesign8030
    @dohrniigamesgamedesign8030 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Each different canvas of storytelling has it's own ways to work, that's why in videogames you need several bullets to die or several slashes, it's not about accuracy or realism, it's about what fits best

  • @Vercopaanir
    @Vercopaanir ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I did notice the 7 wild shapes but the movie was so fun that by the time I got home I had forgotten and never went to check my PHB 😂 and I totally agree, it was way more interesting this way!

  • @teamcybr8375
    @teamcybr8375 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They chose to prioritize the energy of a D&D session over the mechanics, and I think that was a good call.

  • @bkgcosplay5873
    @bkgcosplay5873 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Me personally do homebrews like this all the time for my dnd game. We had our druid change a few times because it was out of combat or a less important moment you can go through as many as you like. During combat and 'imporant moments' also limited to 2 but for purely roleplay purposes it was great fun!

  • @AndromedaCripps
    @AndromedaCripps ปีที่แล้ว

    My DM and fellow player who I went to see the film with spent the e tire car ride home pointing out all the little inaccuracies 😂😂😂 But we had the same exact thought about all of them that you expressed here: We didn’t mind!! The movie did a good job of showing off and making a film out of the game mechanics, even if they weren’t exactly accurate. They still payed homage to all the fun times we as players and DMs remember from all our games ❤️
    The first one I can think of off the top of my head is the Speak with Dead. They made it 5 questions like a Contact Other Plane, even though Speak with Dead is one of the few where you just get to chat infinitely in the 1 minute or 10 minutes or whatever it is that the duration is! But that shows off the funny quirky flavor of so many other DnD spells like Contact Other Plane that have those “arbitrary numbers” involved, while using a much more lower-level and accessible spell that keeps the energy of the movie at a good place early on. Like, they couldn’t exactly have them contacting an Archdevil to ask a question 30 minutes in 😂😂😂
    Also the Wildshape!!! She transforms into an Owlbear which isn’t a Beast, so for Wildshape or polymorph it would be impossible!!
    OH and a bonus one which was weirdly very specifically accurate 😂 The Paladin!!! First scene with him, he is seen talking to a fish and gently calming it down to get it to cough up the tabaxi child. And the first thing I thought was “Umm, Speak with Animals or Dominate Beast or whatever isn’t on the Paladin list”. BUT THEN LATER when he is about to leave the party, he gives this whole speech that starts with “I remember the Tenets of the Ancients” and I went “HEY!!! An Oath of the Ancients Paladin is all about protecting nature; they totally have spells like that on their list!!!!” And sure enough, Ancients Paladins so get Speak with Animals! So that one is weirdly nichely quite accurate when it totally didn’t have to be 😂

  • @Riot_Bird
    @Riot_Bird ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Honestly, it makes it feel more realistic to how someone would actually act if they could shape shift

  • @Calex55KH
    @Calex55KH ปีที่แล้ว

    I noticed first that it was during a scene with JUST the druid while they were separate from the rest of the party. I could definitely see a DM choosing to workshop a scene with a player and disregard some rules just to add some flavor on the occasion of "splitting the party" in such a way, especially a druid, rogue, or ranger who's sneakin around could probably just be decided by a couple of sneak, investigation, and maybe acrobatics/athletics rolls

  • @ZedKingsley
    @ZedKingsley ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Saw an interesting theory that Doric has so many “wildshapes” and doesn’t cast any spells… because the player asked their DM if they could flavor their spells as if they were turning into animals.

  • @ShaunO1225
    @ShaunO1225 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My SIL played a druid and gave an interesting compromise to the WildShape limits. Rather then just general use have a time limit between rests. This way she could use multiple shapes but still only be in animal form for no more then an hour (2 hours)

  • @derleonator2232
    @derleonator2232 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It was like her player said: "Can I have more wildshapes with progressing levels instead of going from 2 to unlimited and therefore give up spellcasting. Oh and can I turn into an owlbear?"
    And the DM allowed it, turning her not into a caster but instead into a martial that can turn into animals for combat and utility

  • @HistorysRaven
    @HistorysRaven ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My favorite rule break is her change into the owlbear. And the reason I like it is the reason she gives in a comic: She doesn't see owlbears as "monstrosities". Which, given her backstory, makes complete sense.

    • @Konpekikaminari
      @Konpekikaminari ปีที่แล้ว

      same
      personally I think it's an absolute travesty how the official lore of the owlbear- the most normal and believable of all fantasy beasts, is "this is a monstrosity created by a wizard!"

  • @josephpatterson78
    @josephpatterson78 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's the cinematic equivalent of the Rule of Cool, and dear LORD, was it marvelously executed.

  • @Rebel37th
    @Rebel37th ปีที่แล้ว

    I was counting the number of wild shapes as well!
    But it does liven things up and explore possibilities. Similar to Simon using Maximillian’s Earthen Grasp against Sofina’s Mage Hand (first spells that came to mind watching it)

  • @thoughtgaming492
    @thoughtgaming492 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The movie followed the rules in the right places and broke the rules in the right places. 7 wildshapes, 2 9th level spell slots, turning into an owlbear, etc etc etc are all excellent additions for the movie and were well used.

  • @nyorumi5221
    @nyorumi5221 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That moment when the dm says yes because they want to see it happen too

  • @SonoranD
    @SonoranD ปีที่แล้ว

    Well said! The one rule they always followed in the movie was the rule of cool
    I see other people pointing out the other obvious one, which is the Owlbear, because it's a "monster," same rule follows.
    For the movie it was so cool to see!

  • @danielleboon1543
    @danielleboon1543 ปีที่แล้ว

    I loved how they showed Simon being distracted when he had that mirror image of Ed, where the image started repeating and looking all warped. Totally not how it plays in the game, but hilarious and totally worth the deviation

  • @OhioPuppy
    @OhioPuppy 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A voice of benevolent sanity. Thank you.

  • @Musthavebeenthewind-c6x
    @Musthavebeenthewind-c6x ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When she turned into an owl bear

  • @frederickayer3602
    @frederickayer3602 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Potential alternate wild shape rules: choose standard WILD shape with 1/2 level number of HOURS in the SAME Beast, OR WILDER shape with level number of ROUNDS allowing shifting forms each round as a bonus action.
    Thoughts? Either way im using it has a DM for future games, would love some balance/hole-poking suggestions

  • @embyr3000
    @embyr3000 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Also to note is that Doric (iirc) doesn't use any other magic. This was probably so a viewer that's not familiar with DnD wouldn't get confused by all of the differences between how different classes can cast magic, but it also lets you explain it away by just saying "well, this was a homebrew circle for the druid. They were allowed to cast wildshape at will and with less restrictions on what they transformed to, but they gave up being able to use any other spells." At the end of the day, DnD is a collaborative storytelling game, the rules are there to give guidance and help the story flow but they shouldn't get too much in the way of the story itself.

  • @Imagicka
    @Imagicka ปีที่แล้ว

    Way back during the beginning of the 3rd edition era one of the first things I created was a magical item that would allow druids to wildshape into magical beasts without their abilities. After 5th level the item unlocked to allow for the supernatural and spell like abilities.
    I was always creating things to give to classes that would stick with 1 class and not multiclass.

  • @lindsaydance_05
    @lindsaydance_05 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    After we watched the movie my dad said "I want to be whatever that girl who shifted into like 20 things when we finally play." My grandfather said something along the lines of 'I don't think you can actually do that, I'm definitely no expert but it seemed unrealistic even for d&d' and my grandmother was just there like I'd probably be able to the d&d people were shocked about all the 'nat 20s' I was rolling. She's probably right I'd cave if her level were high enough and she rolled another 5 nat 20s in row.

  • @dallasfitzmartin7277
    @dallasfitzmartin7277 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Everyone testing Simon as the only spell caster cause Chris Pine was a Bard and Doric should be able to cast spells

  • @hellofend4734
    @hellofend4734 ปีที่แล้ว

    "there's a wildshape *among us*" - red wizard, antagonist

  • @Semmelein
    @Semmelein ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can we take a moment to appreciate how stunning Ginny looks? 😊

  • @kingpatrick1265
    @kingpatrick1265 ปีที่แล้ว

    I didn't even catch that it was a part of holgas deer joke. Gosh what a good movie.

  • @FreakaLeake007
    @FreakaLeake007 ปีที่แล้ว

    Couldn't agree more! That scene was SO much fun. It wouldn't have been nearly as exciting if she only wild shaped twice, or remained a fly.

  • @lando8295
    @lando8295 ปีที่แล้ว

    I totally agree. Dorics excessive wild shape was the only thing that I couldn't say was a direct mechanic in the game that worked one to one, but they did it for the right reason. And overall I loved the movies so It still works and is fun

  • @S4R1N
    @S4R1N ปีที่แล้ว

    Agreed, the way I see it, what we saw was an entire campaign compressed into 2 hours. So I think it's fair to see character abilities compressed into a single scene for cool factor.

  • @twistednwarped314
    @twistednwarped314 ปีที่แล้ว

    Don't forget the owl bear transformation. Even an archdruid isn't pulling that one off.

  • @highgrove8545
    @highgrove8545 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like the idea that most of her wildshapes was just reflavoured spells and saving throws.
    Like the deer is longstride and the cat is a dex saving throw

  • @JaxsonNute2005
    @JaxsonNute2005 ปีที่แล้ว

    I also found it funny that the paladin npc walks in a straight line after he departs from the party

  • @heartofdawnlight
    @heartofdawnlight 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    most notable rule break i can think of is whn they split the party

  • @Casey093
    @Casey093 ปีที่แล้ว

    Doric's low-power shapeshifting is what all every druid player ask for since the release of 5e. :D

  • @ADiceySituation
    @ADiceySituation ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yes! A new medium means a new way to tell the story. I watch Lord of the Rings knowing Peter Jackson removed Tom Bombadil cause he wasn't essential to the plot, but he mixed him with Treebeard to compensate. That trilogy was a great way to show how you can love and respect the source material while still trying to make it your own.

    • @neebling
      @neebling ปีที่แล้ว

      LOTR is one of my favorite books and movie trilogies of all time, and I believe that the movies are such a faithful adaption of the book(s) because of stuff like this.

  • @bisexualantigone
    @bisexualantigone 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You're right tbh! I love your blouse, it's gorgeous

  • @MurderHoboRPG
    @MurderHoboRPG ปีที่แล้ว

    I loved the 2 second topdown view in the history montage. It looked like a tabletop map. An

  • @AlexanderofThebes
    @AlexanderofThebes ปีที่แล้ว

    A nice fan theory is that the table playing this game has just flavored her spells into wildshape like a cat has featherfall, deer having longstrider, etc

  • @r3dbear
    @r3dbear ปีที่แล้ว

    She also wild shapes into an OWLBEAR twice or thrice, which is a MONSTROSITY, & wild shape only works with BEASTS

  • @chadthelake8974
    @chadthelake8974 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Personally, I've been running a rule that allows you to use spell slots to wlld shape since watching the movie, it makes sense considering Doric never actually casts any other spells lol

  • @ChasoGod
    @ChasoGod ปีที่แล้ว

    Since her primary wildshape is the owlbear I didn't mind she used multiple ones during the escape sequence as it was just flavorful.

  • @ianbrinton
    @ianbrinton ปีที่แล้ว

    Older additions handed out wild shape all the time. With feats and prestige classes, the druid in our 3.5 campaign can wild shape about 17 times a day at level 14.