You can definitely give them some background on the Mad King....not a spoiler at this point. You can say: He was King before Robert - Had three kids -Rhaegar Viserys -Dany Rhaegar kidnapped and raped Lyanna Stark, who was betrothed to Robert Ned's dad and brother went to the Mad King to demand the return of Lyanna. He killed Ned's dad and brother, which led to the war. He was killed by Jamie at the conclusion of the war.
@@MugShotzReacts You can give them the very basic 5 things i listed though, so they are less confused, then let history and lore really take it more in depth.....since they have to wait 5 more episodes for history & lore. Though I admire and appreciate your caution regarding potential spoilers. 👍👍👍👍
@@PREPERMIKE2012 Why don't you start your own thread, instead of derailing mine with your "constructive" to your own opinion feedback. If you don't like the pre-show and the post show, FAST FORWARD.
Ned is an extremely honourable man. I think a huge part of him not wanting to kill Dany and her unborn child is just simply because it's a terrible thing to do 🤷♀️
Sure Yes. I'm assuming , You watched the whole show. There's another element or meaning to it, Which we find out towards the Final seasons of the show.
@@balerion77 Honestly, I don't think that has much to do with it. Like, it is a reason for sure, but he has a well established motivation to not kill children regardless. Later in the story he refuses Renly's offer because he refuses to involve children, regardless of lineage.
My favourite little scene this episode is Sansa holding onto Ned the second she is scared in the duel, leaning on him for comfort after just last episode sayinv that she doesn't want to talk to him ever. I think it shows what kind of dad Ned is, and that Sansa is just a little girl! Not only is Ned a good guy who is just generally against the murder of children, his two eldest sons are the exact same age as Daenerys. It must be jarring to hear your best friend be so willing to kill someone who is the same age as your boys. Plus there is no necessary guarantee the Dothraki would ever cross (considering Viserys made a deal with Drogo that Drogo doesn't seem to be obeying already) Very excited for the future reactions :D
The whole point of Ned's character is that he is moral to a fault. He is not going to get behind murdering an innocent child across the world for no reason. He has morals. So yes he would rather just not be the hand than murder an innocent child. Would you quit your job if they told you that you had to sign off on some child dying to stay?
By the way, you should absolutely be commended for keeping your own opinion to a minimum while they are reacting, not giving anything away or leading them at all, and pause the show so they can work it out. You are a FANTASTIC reactor.
I like your reactions because they are different. Your willing to pause, banter, talk and ask about what your currently watching. I watch tons of GOT reactions and yours is very unique. I always look forward to the next one.
Stephanie spilling her drink and the slow mo reply is going to be a TH-cam hit. You 3 are a fun bunch to watch. Love Lindsey's comments. Keep talking in accents it's adorable.
Totally Agree with Stephanie spilling her drink! 😂😂 And I am thoroughly enjoying this channel. But as an older viewer I can definitely tell there's a large age gap between me & these reactors! The giggling 🤭 gives it away! 😅
The scene of the argument between Ned and Robert seems random but it reinforces integral aspects of both of their characters. Ned across many instances protests the killing of children, and it has driven major choices in his past. And Robert simply despises the Targaryens for what they did and what he believes they did Edit: The actual reason Ned and Robert didn't see eachother for 9 years was over the same issue, Ned was disgusted with how Robert dealt with the Targaryen heirs and how he treated the Lannisters so favorably
31:18 Mark this moment for future reference. It will take several more seasons to make this more clear... but she will enjoy looking back at this moment of questioning... once she has the answer. "Why is Ned so opposed to hunting down and killing the surviving Targaryian children?"
Ned is above all else, an honourable character, for good and bad. It's entirely consistent with his character to fall out with the king about murdering a young girl on the other side of the world.
hmm, so far the show tries to tell you how honorable ned stark is.. in ned's eyes killing daenerys, only because she might become a problem in the future, which ned also does not really believe in, because dothraki don't have ships, is not honorable and so he won't do it.... also ned did not really put any kind of effort into becoming the hand.. in reality he did not even really wanted to be the hand.. he became the hand because of his friendship with robert and because he probably did not have much of a choice to begin with.. its unlikely that robert would have accepted a "no" from ned... so why is it so hard to accept that ned would give up his position because of something as "simple" as killing someone innocent? also remember: in the show daenerys is supposed to be about 16 years old, in the books she was 13 at this point.. so king robert basically says: hey, how about we kill a 13 year old child, which fled her country as a baby when we took over the kingdom...
Not really a major point, but did you catch how Ser Loras cheated when jousting against the Mountain? He used a mare in heat to distract the Mountain's stallion. Distract the horse and you unbalance the rider. The Mountain knew what Ser Loras had done. That was why the angry Mountain lopped off his stallion's head, and then attacked Ser Loras.
Yeah they don’t really explain that in the show but the book makes it clear that Loras rode a mare in heat to distract the Mountain’s stallion. But Loras needed an equalizer when fighting a guy twice his size.
i used to work at a movie theater that had another movie theater right next door. both theaters would often send new hires next door to borrow some technicolor 😂
Around here it's tradition for the teacher to send new apprentices for "a bucket of compression", or the forklift driver to get "the spoon" for the forklift. 😂
I know they don't read the comments, because they said so and I don't want to spoil. Please stop reading at this point if you haven't seen. This is my warning. Anyway, the conversation at 30:10 is so poignant to the later reveal in like season 7, that I hope you clip this and show it to her when she watches season 7 and explain exactly why Ned felt that way. It's such great foreshadowing, but it's like years long foreshadowing lol.
True story: at the end of filming that last scene, Nikolaj's horse was so panicked, he had no control of which direction it went. It almost threw him into a wall. --Axey
Ned does not want to kill Dany and her unborn child because he has Northern honor which the Starks are known for. You only kill in immediate self-defense. You face your enemy head-on, in person. Sneaky things like pre-emptive assassination of women and children is not the Stark way. A Family-tree chart with full names and photos may be helpful to the Sweet Summer Children.
To the lady on the far left (nasa shirt) I understand you have seen this show and don’t want to give away any spoilers or anything for them but you don’t say a word!! It’s kind of annoying esp when they are talking about something that just happened and you won’t explain what is happening! Like when you are discussing why Ned wouldn’t kill Dany you really needed to add some stuff. Like to Ned Dany is really young and pregnant! Ned doesn’t want to kill a child that’s pregnant that he doesn’t even know that he doesn’t seem is a threat. He also doesn’t want to start a war & already knows a lot of sticky things haha. Yes, Ned can be a little too honorable at times but that’s the point and the point going forward for the Stark children…are they like Ned or not? Will they follow his lead or not? You have to remember the timing of this, women were nothing and couldn’t hold a position of power, they were raped, abused, beaten, etc…they were only used for making heirs, so to find an honorable man like Ned in this world is rare. ALSO, you can explain who the mad king was at this point bc they already have and they already talked about how he killed Ned’s dad and brother and that it was bec of Leanna (Ned’s sister), it’s very important stuff they missed and you refuse to explain to them. Anyway. I really love your reactions & thoughts and opinions but NASA girl can def add some more things sometimes…don’t give away spoilers but at least join the conversation with your opinions at the time you saw it. Watching you just makes me a little uncomfortable bc you don’t speak lol But i will keep coming back cause i like their reactions & wanna see you succeed. This is just constructive criticism given with the best intentions 😇 make sure to leave a LIKE on the video everyone! Good luck with the channel ladies and be well ❤ But I’m also just realizing this is 6 months old & won’t matter by the time I catch up with you guys lmao 🤣
Just because rape happens doesn't mean it's considered right or ok. Robert isn't more of a rapist than Ned, it's not just NEd that has a high morale compass, BUt on the issue Robert is guided by his hatred and desire of vengeance against the Targaeryan, Ned can see that, And it's not ok to just assassinate someone that hasn't done anything to you, Ned doesn't hold a stranger (Daenarys) responsible of the sin of her family (The mad King). You seem to think because it's in a medieval setting they don't have a sense of morality and justice.
This. Rapers are punished with the Wall or castration. It’s just as frowned upon then as it is now. I think the murder of an innocent, 17 year old girl & an unborn child goes against Ned’s moral compass, on top of other considerations, of course.
The dynamic you ladies have going has been great so far - one having watched it before to guide along through some of the finer details of a gargantuan world with an immense depth of lore to it (and doing a great job of being careful with spoilers!), and two Summer Children who you can tell are actively trying very hard to pay attention and follow along with the story with what information they've been given so far. ... Which is absolutely a slice of swiss cheese with how many plot holes are in the story up 'til now. You've been given a ton of hints and inferences without explanation. The guesses and hot takes to try to understand are entertaining and enjoyable, even when they're off. And you've no real way of knowing the answers to all the questions the show has posed thus far, not even close - such as why Robert hates Danaerys and is seemingly frothing at the mouth to have her assassinated because she's pregnant. They haven't really touched on any substantial details or hints about how Robert came into the throne or even hinted/explained the motivations behind the war. All in due time tho! You're on the right track to understand the finer details and depths of the plot as you keep gong. All this to say, the effort you're putting in is evident. It's impossible to understand everything going on just yet. Keep it up and looking forward to following along the journey!
Oh by the way, Dany is, in the show anyway, 17 years old because she was born just after Robert won the throne in the war called Roberts Rebellion 17 years ago. However in the book, if I recall correctly, she is 14 or 15.
The two ladies have to understand that they intentionally don't know all the reasons why things are happening yet. So when the lady in the middle is questioning why Ned would even care about some random girl, the show literally had not told her why yet. It's a very valid question. From the information they have so far, Ned does look weird for caring about her. Some of these plots are not played out on for many seasons in the future.
I know what you're alluding to. Personally, I never felt any befuddlement when I first watched it. It seemed rather straight forward and in-character: Ned is a man of honor; killing an innocent girl half a world away because of her bloodline is unnecessary and unjustifiable.
@@Wicked_Sushi I agree. But I think it was more how vehemently he opposed it that seemed off to her. But Ned does seem to have a protective side of him for younger women and girls. I think he doesn't understand them as well. I am like that too with Dani's story line. Many people are confused why some things happened the way they did. When she was acting in character the entire time if your paying attention.
I absolutely agree with Lindsay on what she said about the "realness" and relatability (sort of) of Game of Thrones, despite it being fantasy. I'm really happy she sees it that way! That's one of the main things which made me fall in love with GoT when I first saw it, and the books expand on that feeling even more!
This episode has some of my favorite dialogues in the show. The playful banter between Littlefinger and Varys, and then the conversation between Cersei and Robert. Just stellar writing and phenomenal acting. Probably my favorite episode of season 1.
They have already told us that the Mad King had Ned's father and Uncle burned alive. So we have some idea why he is called that. And Lord Renli is Renli Barstheon- King Robert's brother. They have a third brother named Stannis. We haven't met him yet. The Knight of Flowers is named Loris Tyrell. Liza (spelling?) in the Eyrie is Cat's sister and was married to John Arryn, the now dead Hand of the King before Ned. She is the one that sent the letter to Cat saying that the Lannisters murdered her husband.
Lysa, pronounced approximately like lie-sa. Like Tolkien, Martin likes to use names that sound familiar but are dissimilar in their fictitious origin. For example, Jaime pronounced like Jamie, or for a Lord of the Rings analogue Sam short for Samwise rather than Sam short for Samuel, and in Game of Thrones Sam short for Samwell. Thanks for saying about the Mad King burning Ned's dad and brother. That in and of itself should suffice as a reason to call him the Mad King 😂
31:00 Hey Stefani , Do remember to Tell the girls when they reach End of Season 6 , WHY Eddard was Not willing to Kill The Targaryens the whole time. You know Why and because of what. If they don't piece it together.
Robert Baratheon hates all Targaryens with a passion because a Targaruen, Prince Rhaegar Targaryen, Daenarys older brother is responsible for taking away Roberts love interest Lyanna Stark which was the caused of Robert Baratheon's rebellion. Robert killed Rhaegar on the battlefield and went on to overthrow Aerys II Targaryen the "Mad King" their father to become the new ruler of the 7 Kingdoms. Viserys and Daenarys were children at the time. They were evacuated before any harm could become of them. Robert wont rest until all Targaryens are dead I think he said that in an earlier episode. All this information was revealed earlier. Daenarys other brother Viserys offered off his sister Daenarys to Khal Drogo a Dathroki lord as an arrange marriage in return Khal Drogo would use his army to help Viserys take back his families throne. Lord Eddard Stark "Ned" is a good honorable man almost to a fault. He does not think it's honorable to kill a pregnant woman who at the time pose no threat to the Kingdom. Ned refuse to do the dishonorable thing. If you go way back before the Throne was taken over Eddard Stark could have claimed the Iron Throne for himself, but instead he saved it and gave it to Robert his best friend the man he was raised with. It was Lord Jon Aryn the old hand that raise them both. He was a father figure to them. I also want to point out that Lord Petry Baelish "Little Finger" was raised up with Catelyn Stark lord Eddard Starks wife which is why she told her husband Ned that Little Finger is like a brother to her. Little Finger was Catelyn Stark's fathers "Lord Hoster Tully's" ward.
I think Ashley's confusion over Ned's stance against sending assassin's after Danaerys is warranted. This is one of the times where context in the books is lost in the translation to screen. Ned has strongly established reason to stand against that decision, unfortunately there wasn't a reasonable way to include it in his screen story. It's one of the few *early* show things you have to simply accept.
I never found it hard to understand. She's a young girl. Assassination would already be considered "dishonourable" by someone like Ned. Now assassinating a teenage girl is several steps worse than that. It's not like they have absolutely no mortality.
@@IshtarNike Yeah, you can reason why Ned would be against it, but I think the confusion comes from why Ned is _so_ against it that he's willing to sever ties with the king, which is pretty drastic even for Ned. Aside from reasons the show will get into later, the books are also a little clearer on this that Ned has a thing specifically against harming children. In the aftermath of the sack of King's Landing, the deaths of Rhaenys and Aegon really affected Ned, and Robert's response to it (pleased that they were dead) disgusted and enraged Ned, and it nearly broke their friendship. Robert ordering Daenerys' assassination is pretty much a repeat of that and Ned wants no part in it.
That whole discussion about the argument, could’ve just been easily explained and avoided by telling them that Ned is the most honorable dude who’s not for killing a pregnant girl…
I gotta say I appreciate the heck out of the pausing for discussion. It's _infuriating_ watching reactors get confused by something, spend the next 2 minutes discussing their confusion and coming up with wrong ideas, while ignoring the show _telling_ them the right one. And also setting up the background for something 5 minutes later which will now _also_ confuse them, starting the whole process over again. "The *special* hell..."
In the book, Dani found out she was pregnant on her 14th birthday. Robert is very threatened by any Targaryn. If they came back they could gather support, especially if Robert falls out of favor with the ruling houses. Ned has a running theme of protecting innocent children, including Dani and her unborn child. He also doesn't feel that Robert will execute him, even if he does get very angry at him.
it’s such a loss to Sandor’s character, Sansa’s character, and their relationship to have Littlefinger tell her the story instead of he himself. Granted, Rory McCann’s age made it so that relationship was never going to be as romantic as it is in the books, but it still could have revealed his vulnerability, depth, and care for her, along with Sansa’s empathy & the reason she cheered so hard when he was declared victor. As shown, it just appears she is cheering for Loras, though he has forfeited. Rory is such a wonderful actor, he could have played that scene beautifully (and performs it well in his audition tape)
It definitely helps to cement all those family names & the different place names & general areas of Westeros. Because the stories are retold through different POV’s, it really reinforces that information. The best way to learn stuff like that is through entertainment & repetition, which the Histories & Lore stories do brilliantly.
Hey Stefani, Be sure to let the girls know the peoples last name. Such as Renly and Loras. It helps to know how people are related as more people are introduced. I'm loving the predictions.
I have always been against the history and lore reactions during the first watch thru, because when you watched the show as it was being aired weekly you didn't get a histories and lore episodes therein leaving you blind about the world and allowing you to make your own assumptions as the series progressed. They were DVD exclusives and while they technically don't contain spoilers. They do spoil the 1st time watch thru experience by providing background information about how each house was formed and how each house reacts to situations. This effectively kills all the mystery of the series. Once you know how the houses are going to react you lose that optimistic feeling like maybe this house or that house will change the tide of the series and instead begin expecting the tragedies. My suggestion is to do the histories and lore at the end of the series or do the first 2 or 3 after the season 5 finale.
Good argument. I think they can be a lot to take on board at first and my gut tells me it might feel more like homework. They'll do just fine jumping straight into S2 without killing the momentum.
It's funny so many attribute something sinister in Baelish telling that story, but he was simply trying to distract the two young girls from the gorey death of the jouster in front of them; giving them something else to think about. 😅
Arya looked awfully stressed to find herself locked behind a gate with gaps that she could very easily fit through :D Look at the damn thing! There's no way she couldn't just slip between the bars!
to maybe help understand Ned's motive for not wanting to kill Dany you have to understand that he thinks Robert is in danger, the Lannisters killed Jon Arryn, they're probably going to kill Robert too in his mind and he thinks across the sea is a huge distraction for him and if she is successful in getting an army he doesn't need to be in a conflict with the Lannisters also. Without their troops, their allies and their money they're likely to lose before Dany even gets started. In short Robert is worried about the future and Ned knows the big threat is immediate.
Towards the end of the fight between Ned and Jamie you can see an expression on Jamie’s face that looks like disappointment. I think Jamie was hoping Ned would give him a better fight. Jamie’s heard a story about Ned’s fighting prowess. But that’s all I’ll say.
Great reaction! Wildly enjoying y'alls reactions. In regards to "the mad king", a little clarification by context without spoilers......what we know thus far is " the mad king" was the king that Robert overthrew with Ned's help. He was also a Gargantuan and the father of the now Kaliesi and her brother, which is why Robert wanted her killed.
Sweet summer children status is not lost until a very specific episode. Honestly, one of the most memorable things from the Blind Wave reaction (for me anyway) is how Calvin, a sweet summer child, had to 'earn' the Hand of the King pin, and it wasn't until that episode that he earned it. Now, this episode could be this season or it could be the season 8 finale, so this isn't a spoiler, but anyone who has watched this show all the way through knows exactly which episode I'm talking about.
Wise old King Robert. If you know, you know.😅 I'm a bit disappointed that Robert explaining to Cersei what would happen if the Dothraki cross was cut out though. Robert was a great general and warrior.
It doesn’t even matter if Viserys or Daenerys are a threat. As long as anyone from their family still exists, they are a potential future threat. If Viserys and Daenerys are ‘innocent’ and do not want to threaten the legitimacy and rule of King Robert, they could at any time publicly renounce any claims to the Iron Throne.
Correct. Robb, Jon, and Daenerys were conceived during Robert’s Rebellion. Robb was born near the end of the war, then Jon a little after it, and Daenerys a little later (but in the same year).
Lindsay will love watching the Lore episodes and Ashley might just be on to something concerning Ned's seemingly strong aversion to having Daenerys and company eliminated. Interesting
To clarify why the king wants to kill daenerys, she is the daughter of the mad king, who was killed before King Robert took his place. Her brother is heir to the iron throne and is a threat to King Robert's reign. The dothraki are a very dangerous army, and Daenerys is married to and pregnant with Kahl Drago's child. The dothraki have never crossed the narrow sea. If they cross the narrow sea, they are a real threat to 7 kingdoms and can take back the iron throne. That's why he wants to kill her.
The one in the middle is on point about there being more to why Ned didn't want to start killing Targaryen children willy nilly. You must've wanted to tell her so bad.
King Robert Cares because it's another Male Targaryen, and any male Targaryen has claim to the throne. Many fought for the Targaryen in Roberts Rebellion. Ned will not kill Children.
When I worked in fast food, I used to tell the new kids to go and water the plants in the dining room (which were really obviously fake)... It's very important to find some form of entertainment while at work 😅
Merch idea, wine tumbler mugs with lids! I said this before but thank you Stefani for protecting the SSC from spoilers! I know the react community is usually great at not doing that, but it gives extra sense that nothing ruins the upcoming episodes, etc. I love the accents. Also how engaged in something that Ashley and Lindsay had no interest in before to being able to see the investment both have put in. Like the care to not see tear-y-on die. But yes to the wine tumblers! 😂😂😂
I always hated how the show changed Ser Gregor and See Loras' nicknames. In this Loras was the knight of *_the_* flowers. In the book, he's the knight of flowers. The show made his nick longer, but they shrunk Gregor's. In this Gregor is just the Mountain. In the book, he's the Mountain that rides.😂
Are you going to react to the Histories and Lore as well at the end of each season? That would be a great place to season faves and most hated lists. LOVE the slow motion and the spill. I almost peed myself!
There technically are reasons beyond being honourable that Ned doesn't want to kill the targaryns but that's a long way off. I'm sure it was on the table at the time they made this though, just a huge secret
The dialogue is completely inaudible. It's not as fun watching a reaction if you can't hear what's being reacted to. Think you could turn it up on future videos?
“I think they are homosexuals!” 😂 make me laugh, you made it sound like they are an exotic breed of some sort😂😂
She's embodying the language of the time lol.
Because they're
Sodomites
@@Monk_Chud what?
You can definitely give them some background on the Mad King....not a spoiler at this point.
You can say:
He was King before Robert -
Had three kids
-Rhaegar
Viserys
-Dany
Rhaegar kidnapped and raped Lyanna Stark, who was betrothed to Robert
Ned's dad and brother went to the Mad King to demand the return of Lyanna.
He killed Ned's dad and brother, which led to the war.
He was killed by Jamie at the conclusion of the war.
We’re going to watch histories & lore, so I thought I would let them learn that way ♥️
@@MugShotzReacts
You can give them the very basic 5 things i listed though, so they are less confused, then let history and lore really take it more in depth.....since they have to wait 5 more episodes for history & lore.
Though I admire and appreciate your caution regarding potential spoilers. 👍👍👍👍
@@PREPERMIKE2012 Maybe you should watch a different channel :D
@@PREPERMIKE2012
Why don't you start your own thread, instead of derailing mine with your "constructive" to your own opinion feedback.
If you don't like the pre-show and the post show, FAST FORWARD.
Just let them do their thing. Just skip to the reaction if that's what you want to see. I'm enjoying watching them discuss and predict things
Ned is an extremely honourable man. I think a huge part of him not wanting to kill Dany and her unborn child is just simply because it's a terrible thing to do 🤷♀️
Sure Yes. I'm assuming , You watched the whole show. There's another element or meaning to it, Which we find out towards the Final seasons of the show.
Well, obvs, but I can't say that can I lol
@@balerion77it's probably best not to talk about things that haven't happened in the show yet.
@@Ottawajamesthat’s why they aren’t spoken lol
@@balerion77 Honestly, I don't think that has much to do with it. Like, it is a reason for sure, but he has a well established motivation to not kill children regardless. Later in the story he refuses Renly's offer because he refuses to involve children, regardless of lineage.
My favourite little scene this episode is Sansa holding onto Ned the second she is scared in the duel, leaning on him for comfort after just last episode sayinv that she doesn't want to talk to him ever. I think it shows what kind of dad Ned is, and that Sansa is just a little girl!
Not only is Ned a good guy who is just generally against the murder of children, his two eldest sons are the exact same age as Daenerys. It must be jarring to hear your best friend be so willing to kill someone who is the same age as your boys. Plus there is no necessary guarantee the Dothraki would ever cross (considering Viserys made a deal with Drogo that Drogo doesn't seem to be obeying already)
Very excited for the future reactions :D
The whole point of Ned's character is that he is moral to a fault. He is not going to get behind murdering an innocent child across the world for no reason. He has morals. So yes he would rather just not be the hand than murder an innocent child. Would you quit your job if they told you that you had to sign off on some child dying to stay?
By the way, you should absolutely be commended for keeping your own opinion to a minimum while they are reacting, not giving anything away or leading them at all, and pause the show so they can work it out. You are a FANTASTIC reactor.
Thank you 😊
I like your reactions because they are different. Your willing to pause, banter, talk and ask about what your currently watching. I watch tons of GOT reactions and yours is very unique. I always look forward to the next one.
Thank you ☺️
Not a spoiler. But the Mad King was the dad of Daenerys and Viserys Targaryen.
Stephanie spilling her drink and the slow mo reply is going to be a TH-cam hit. You 3 are a fun bunch to watch. Love Lindsey's comments. Keep talking in accents it's adorable.
Totally Agree with Stephanie spilling her drink! 😂😂 And I am thoroughly enjoying this channel. But as an older viewer I can definitely tell there's a large age gap between me & these reactors! The giggling 🤭 gives it away! 😅
The scene of the argument between Ned and Robert seems random but it reinforces integral aspects of both of their characters. Ned across many instances protests the killing of children, and it has driven major choices in his past. And Robert simply despises the Targaryens for what they did and what he believes they did
Edit: The actual reason Ned and Robert didn't see eachother for 9 years was over the same issue, Ned was disgusted with how Robert dealt with the Targaryen heirs and how he treated the Lannisters so favorably
31:18 Mark this moment for future reference. It will take several more seasons to make this more clear... but she will enjoy looking back at this moment of questioning... once she has the answer. "Why is Ned so opposed to hunting down and killing the surviving Targaryian children?"
For sure!!!
The stone face during the discussion was impressive, normally people don't even think twice about it on a first watch
Ned is above all else, an honourable character, for good and bad. It's entirely consistent with his character to fall out with the king about murdering a young girl on the other side of the world.
hmm, so far the show tries to tell you how honorable ned stark is.. in ned's eyes killing daenerys, only because she might become a problem in the future, which ned also does not really believe in, because dothraki don't have ships, is not honorable and so he won't do it.... also ned did not really put any kind of effort into becoming the hand.. in reality he did not even really wanted to be the hand.. he became the hand because of his friendship with robert and because he probably did not have much of a choice to begin with.. its unlikely that robert would have accepted a "no" from ned... so why is it so hard to accept that ned would give up his position because of something as "simple" as killing someone innocent?
also remember: in the show daenerys is supposed to be about 16 years old, in the books she was 13 at this point.. so king robert basically says: hey, how about we kill a 13 year old child, which fled her country as a baby when we took over the kingdom...
Ned's honor is rooted in a warrior code, you protect, not assassinate, young, pregnant girls.
Not really a major point, but did you catch how Ser Loras cheated when jousting against the Mountain? He used a mare in heat to distract the Mountain's stallion. Distract the horse and you unbalance the rider. The Mountain knew what Ser Loras had done. That was why the angry Mountain lopped off his stallion's head, and then attacked Ser Loras.
Yeah they don’t really explain that in the show but the book makes it clear that Loras rode a mare in heat to distract the Mountain’s stallion. But Loras needed an equalizer when fighting a guy twice his size.
i used to work at a movie theater that had another movie theater right next door. both theaters would often send new hires next door to borrow some technicolor 😂
Around here it's tradition for the teacher to send new apprentices for "a bucket of compression", or the forklift driver to get "the spoon" for the forklift. 😂
That’s hilarious!
I know they don't read the comments, because they said so and I don't want to spoil. Please stop reading at this point if you haven't seen. This is my warning. Anyway, the conversation at 30:10 is so poignant to the later reveal in like season 7, that I hope you clip this and show it to her when she watches season 7 and explain exactly why Ned felt that way. It's such great foreshadowing, but it's like years long foreshadowing lol.
Ooo you’re so right!! I’m going to make a note of it!!
True story: at the end of filming that last scene, Nikolaj's horse was so panicked, he had no control of which direction it went. It almost threw him into a wall. --Axey
Woah! That’s crazy!
Ned does not want to kill Dany and her unborn child because he has Northern honor which the Starks are known for. You only kill in immediate self-defense. You face your enemy head-on, in person. Sneaky things like pre-emptive assassination of women and children is not the Stark way.
A Family-tree chart with full names and photos may be helpful to the Sweet Summer Children.
To the lady on the far left (nasa shirt) I understand you have seen this show and don’t want to give away any spoilers or anything for them but you don’t say a word!! It’s kind of annoying esp when they are talking about something that just happened and you won’t explain what is happening! Like when you are discussing why Ned wouldn’t kill Dany you really needed to add some stuff. Like to Ned Dany is really young and pregnant! Ned doesn’t want to kill a child that’s pregnant that he doesn’t even know that he doesn’t seem is a threat. He also doesn’t want to start a war & already knows a lot of sticky things haha. Yes, Ned can be a little too honorable at times but that’s the point and the point going forward for the Stark children…are they like Ned or not? Will they follow his lead or not? You have to remember the timing of this, women were nothing and couldn’t hold a position of power, they were raped, abused, beaten, etc…they were only used for making heirs, so to find an honorable man like Ned in this world is rare. ALSO, you can explain who the mad king was at this point bc they already have and they already talked about how he killed Ned’s dad and brother and that it was bec of Leanna (Ned’s sister), it’s very important stuff they missed and you refuse to explain to them.
Anyway. I really love your reactions & thoughts and opinions but NASA girl can def add some more things sometimes…don’t give away spoilers but at least join the conversation with your opinions at the time you saw it. Watching you just makes me a little uncomfortable bc you don’t speak lol
But i will keep coming back cause i like their reactions & wanna see you succeed. This is just constructive criticism given with the best intentions 😇
make sure to leave a LIKE on the video everyone! Good luck with the channel ladies and be well ❤
But I’m also just realizing this is 6 months old & won’t matter by the time I catch up with you guys lmao 🤣
Just because rape happens doesn't mean it's considered right or ok.
Robert isn't more of a rapist than Ned, it's not just NEd that has a high morale compass,
BUt on the issue Robert is guided by his hatred and desire of vengeance against the Targaeryan, Ned can see that, And it's not ok to just assassinate someone that
hasn't done anything to you, Ned doesn't hold a stranger (Daenarys) responsible of the sin of her family (The mad King).
You seem to think because it's in a medieval setting they don't have a sense of morality and justice.
This. Rapers are punished with the Wall or castration. It’s just as frowned upon then as it is now. I think the murder of an innocent, 17 year old girl & an unborn child goes against Ned’s moral compass, on top of other considerations, of course.
The dynamic you ladies have going has been great so far - one having watched it before to guide along through some of the finer details of a gargantuan world with an immense depth of lore to it (and doing a great job of being careful with spoilers!), and two Summer Children who you can tell are actively trying very hard to pay attention and follow along with the story with what information they've been given so far.
... Which is absolutely a slice of swiss cheese with how many plot holes are in the story up 'til now. You've been given a ton of hints and inferences without explanation. The guesses and hot takes to try to understand are entertaining and enjoyable, even when they're off.
And you've no real way of knowing the answers to all the questions the show has posed thus far, not even close - such as why Robert hates Danaerys and is seemingly frothing at the mouth to have her assassinated because she's pregnant. They haven't really touched on any substantial details or hints about how Robert came into the throne or even hinted/explained the motivations behind the war. All in due time tho!
You're on the right track to understand the finer details and depths of the plot as you keep gong.
All this to say, the effort you're putting in is evident. It's impossible to understand everything going on just yet. Keep it up and looking forward to following along the journey!
Oh by the way, Dany is, in the show anyway, 17 years old because she was born just after Robert won the throne in the war called Roberts Rebellion 17 years ago. However in the book, if I recall correctly, she is 14 or 15.
I think its very understandable not to have an innocent pregnant woman killed because of highly unlikely scenario.
The two ladies have to understand that they intentionally don't know all the reasons why things are happening yet. So when the lady in the middle is questioning why Ned would even care about some random girl, the show literally had not told her why yet. It's a very valid question. From the information they have so far, Ned does look weird for caring about her. Some of these plots are not played out on for many seasons in the future.
I know what you're alluding to. Personally, I never felt any befuddlement when I first watched it. It seemed rather straight forward and in-character: Ned is a man of honor; killing an innocent girl half a world away because of her bloodline is unnecessary and unjustifiable.
@@Wicked_Sushi I agree. But I think it was more how vehemently he opposed it that seemed off to her. But Ned does seem to have a protective side of him for younger women and girls. I think he doesn't understand them as well.
I am like that too with Dani's story line. Many people are confused why some things happened the way they did. When she was acting in character the entire time if your paying attention.
I absolutely agree with Lindsay on what she said about the "realness" and relatability (sort of) of Game of Thrones, despite it being fantasy. I'm really happy she sees it that way! That's one of the main things which made me fall in love with GoT when I first saw it, and the books expand on that feeling even more!
This episode has some of my favorite dialogues in the show. The playful banter between Littlefinger and Varys, and then the conversation between Cersei and Robert. Just stellar writing and phenomenal acting. Probably my favorite episode of season 1.
It’s such a good one!!
Yeah, I love both of those great dialog scenes.
They have already told us that the Mad King had Ned's father and Uncle burned alive. So we have some idea why he is called that. And Lord Renli is Renli Barstheon- King Robert's brother. They have a third brother named Stannis. We haven't met him yet. The Knight of Flowers is named Loris Tyrell. Liza (spelling?) in the Eyrie is Cat's sister and was married to John Arryn, the now dead Hand of the King before Ned. She is the one that sent the letter to Cat saying that the Lannisters murdered her husband.
Lysa, pronounced approximately like lie-sa. Like Tolkien, Martin likes to use names that sound familiar but are dissimilar in their fictitious origin. For example, Jaime pronounced like Jamie, or for a Lord of the Rings analogue Sam short for Samwise rather than Sam short for Samuel, and in Game of Thrones Sam short for Samwell.
Thanks for saying about the Mad King burning Ned's dad and brother. That in and of itself should suffice as a reason to call him the Mad King 😂
I love the machinations of trying to figure it all out, really takes me back to the first time I watched
31:00 Hey Stefani , Do remember to Tell the girls when they reach End of Season 6 , WHY Eddard was Not willing to Kill The Targaryens the whole time. You know Why and because of what.
If they don't piece it together.
YES!! we’ll keep it secret for now 🤫
So, Danaerys ' son solidifies the alliance between the Targaryens and the Dothraki. He would have a claim to the throne.
Robert Baratheon hates all Targaryens with a passion because a Targaruen, Prince Rhaegar Targaryen, Daenarys older brother is responsible for taking away Roberts love interest Lyanna Stark which was the caused of Robert Baratheon's rebellion. Robert killed Rhaegar on the battlefield and went on to overthrow Aerys II Targaryen the "Mad King" their father to become the new ruler of the 7 Kingdoms. Viserys and Daenarys were children at the time. They were evacuated before any harm could become of them. Robert wont rest until all Targaryens are dead I think he said that in an earlier episode. All this information was revealed earlier. Daenarys other brother Viserys offered off his sister Daenarys to Khal Drogo a Dathroki lord as an arrange marriage in return Khal Drogo would use his army to help Viserys take back his families throne. Lord Eddard Stark "Ned" is a good honorable man almost to a fault. He does not think it's honorable to kill a pregnant woman who at the time pose no threat to the Kingdom. Ned refuse to do the dishonorable thing. If you go way back before the Throne was taken over Eddard Stark could have claimed the Iron Throne for himself, but instead he saved it and gave it to Robert his best friend the man he was raised with. It was Lord Jon Aryn the old hand that raise them both. He was a father figure to them. I also want to point out that Lord Petry Baelish "Little Finger" was raised up with Catelyn Stark lord Eddard Starks wife which is why she told her husband Ned that Little Finger is like a brother to her. Little Finger was Catelyn Stark's fathers "Lord Hoster Tully's" ward.
I think Ashley's confusion over Ned's stance against sending assassin's after Danaerys is warranted. This is one of the times where context in the books is lost in the translation to screen. Ned has strongly established reason to stand against that decision, unfortunately there wasn't a reasonable way to include it in his screen story. It's one of the few *early* show things you have to simply accept.
I never found it hard to understand. She's a young girl. Assassination would already be considered "dishonourable" by someone like Ned. Now assassinating a teenage girl is several steps worse than that. It's not like they have absolutely no mortality.
@@IshtarNike Yeah, you can reason why Ned would be against it, but I think the confusion comes from why Ned is _so_ against it that he's willing to sever ties with the king, which is pretty drastic even for Ned. Aside from reasons the show will get into later, the books are also a little clearer on this that Ned has a thing specifically against harming children. In the aftermath of the sack of King's Landing, the deaths of Rhaenys and Aegon really affected Ned, and Robert's response to it (pleased that they were dead) disgusted and enraged Ned, and it nearly broke their friendship. Robert ordering Daenerys' assassination is pretty much a repeat of that and Ned wants no part in it.
There's a very strong reason that Ned is against killing Daenerys. It's a deep rooted personal reason that you won't find out for many seasons.
That whole discussion about the argument, could’ve just been easily explained and avoided by telling them that Ned is the most honorable dude who’s not for killing a pregnant girl…
I’m trying to let them work some things out on their own!
Hope you girls are enjoying the journey through westeros so far. Keep up the reactions and the good work
Thank you!
I gotta say I appreciate the heck out of the pausing for discussion. It's _infuriating_ watching reactors get confused by something, spend the next 2 minutes discussing their confusion and coming up with wrong ideas, while ignoring the show _telling_ them the right one. And also setting up the background for something 5 minutes later which will now _also_ confuse them, starting the whole process over again.
"The *special* hell..."
Hahaha, yes! "I'm so confused! What's going on? What did they just say? I'm so confused!"
The reactions to 8 year old Robyn breastfeeding were priceless.
In the book, Dani found out she was pregnant on her 14th birthday. Robert is very threatened by any Targaryn. If they came back they could gather support, especially if Robert falls out of favor with the ruling houses. Ned has a running theme of protecting innocent children, including Dani and her unborn child. He also doesn't feel that Robert will execute him, even if he does get very angry at him.
it’s such a loss to Sandor’s character, Sansa’s character, and their relationship to have Littlefinger tell her the story instead of he himself.
Granted, Rory McCann’s age made it so that relationship was never going to be as romantic as it is in the books, but it still could have revealed his vulnerability, depth, and care for her, along with Sansa’s empathy & the reason she cheered so hard when he was declared victor.
As shown, it just appears she is cheering for Loras, though he has forfeited.
Rory is such a wonderful actor, he could have played that scene beautifully (and performs it well in his audition tape)
She’s got the best poker face as they throw theories around… 😂😂
Remind me never to play poker with Stefani
I don't know how to play poker so I think you'd do fine, but thank you!
Watching the history and lore videos after each season will probably help them a lot
It definitely helps to cement all those family names & the different place names & general areas of Westeros. Because the stories are retold through different POV’s, it really reinforces that information. The best way to learn stuff like that is through entertainment & repetition, which the Histories & Lore stories do brilliantly.
Hey Stefani, Be sure to let the girls know the peoples last name. Such as Renly and Loras. It helps to know how people are related as more people are introduced. I'm loving the predictions.
I will try!
You're missing the fact that Danaris is the true heir to the throne as the Mad King was her father.
Well no, Viserys is older
And the Targaryens took the throne by force and that was considered legitimate, so Robert taking the throne by force is also legitimate
I have always been against the history and lore reactions during the first watch thru, because when you watched the show as it was being aired weekly you didn't get a histories and lore episodes therein leaving you blind about the world and allowing you to make your own assumptions as the series progressed. They were DVD exclusives and while they technically don't contain spoilers. They do spoil the 1st time watch thru experience by providing background information about how each house was formed and how each house reacts to situations. This effectively kills all the mystery of the series. Once you know how the houses are going to react you lose that optimistic feeling like maybe this house or that house will change the tide of the series and instead begin expecting the tragedies. My suggestion is to do the histories and lore at the end of the series or do the first 2 or 3 after the season 5 finale.
Good argument. I think they can be a lot to take on board at first and my gut tells me it might feel more like homework. They'll do just fine jumping straight into S2 without killing the momentum.
It's funny so many attribute something sinister in Baelish telling that story, but he was simply trying to distract the two young girls from the gorey death of the jouster in front of them; giving them something else to think about. 😅
Littlefinger was also trying to impress Sansa about how many secrets he knows.
Arya looked awfully stressed to find herself locked behind a gate with gaps that she could very easily fit through :D Look at the damn thing! There's no way she couldn't just slip between the bars!
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Slingers can sing stones almost as fast as a gun. That is why David really had the advantage... speed of the stone and distance from the enemy.
A quote for you from a specific character you won't meet for a while. "I wish you good fortune in the wars to come."
It's always enjoyable seeing friends enjoy something new like this lol
Dear Ashley, I will happily send you money for laundry soap just so we can get that genuine of a reaction every episode the rest of the series. 🍷
16:27 if you slow this part down to .25 speed you get a wonderful tutorial on fluid dynamics. 😎🤣🤣🤣🤣👍
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Love your reactions 😂😂❤
to maybe help understand Ned's motive for not wanting to kill Dany you have to understand that he thinks Robert is in danger, the Lannisters killed Jon Arryn, they're probably going to kill Robert too in his mind and he thinks across the sea is a huge distraction for him and if she is successful in getting an army he doesn't need to be in a conflict with the Lannisters also. Without their troops, their allies and their money they're likely to lose before Dany even gets started. In short Robert is worried about the future and Ned knows the big threat is immediate.
Towards the end of the fight between Ned and Jamie you can see an expression on Jamie’s face that looks like disappointment. I think Jamie was hoping Ned would give him a better fight. Jamie’s heard a story about Ned’s fighting prowess. But that’s all I’ll say.
Great reaction! Wildly enjoying y'alls reactions. In regards to "the mad king", a little clarification by context without spoilers......what we know thus far is " the mad king" was the king that Robert overthrew with Ned's help. He was also a Gargantuan and the father of the now Kaliesi and her brother, which is why Robert wanted her killed.
Auto correct typo correction: Should read Targarian above, not "Gargantuan"
😂 I was like ‘ wtf is a gargantuan?!’
A Gargantuan Tarragon!!
So Danys father was huge?????
We are sticking with you all the way to the end!!! PROMISE!! keep it up!!~ and keep it going! Hello from Chicago!
Awesome! Thank you! ☺️
Sweet summer children status is not lost until a very specific episode. Honestly, one of the most memorable things from the Blind Wave reaction (for me anyway) is how Calvin, a sweet summer child, had to 'earn' the Hand of the King pin, and it wasn't until that episode that he earned it. Now, this episode could be this season or it could be the season 8 finale, so this isn't a spoiler, but anyone who has watched this show all the way through knows exactly which episode I'm talking about.
I remember it well "If thats what it takes to get it, I dont want it"
I'm enjoying the dynamic between the 3 of you, however, Lindsey is my Queen..really appreciating her predictions and wit..😊 xo
Wise old King Robert. If you know, you know.😅
I'm a bit disappointed that Robert explaining to Cersei what would happen if the Dothraki cross was cut out though. Robert was a great general and warrior.
It doesn’t even matter if Viserys or Daenerys are a threat. As long as anyone from their family still exists, they are a potential future threat. If Viserys and Daenerys are ‘innocent’ and do not want to threaten the legitimacy and rule of King Robert, they could at any time publicly renounce any claims to the Iron Throne.
That would be an incredibly awkward two weeks notice 😂, love it!
right?!?
All you ladies are doing a great job. Lyndsey is my favourite. She's very smart, and her jokes and real world references are funny and on point.
Lindsay is the best!
Regarding Dany's age: In the books, she's 13 at the beginning. For the show, I believe they aged her up to about 17.
Correct. Robb, Jon, and Daenerys were conceived during Robert’s Rebellion. Robb was born near the end of the war, then Jon a little after it, and Daenerys a little later (but in the same year).
Ashley, Ned doesn't want to kill a pregnant woman. His values are different than the ones the King has.
Lindsay will love watching the Lore episodes and Ashley might just be on to something concerning Ned's seemingly
strong aversion to having Daenerys and company eliminated. Interesting
16:22 well that's one way to become the God Of Tits And Wine
I've watched many reactors. You guys are the only ones to leave me laughing every single time. 😂
Yay!!!
This is also the face I made first time i saw this, we all relate to that , the disgust, the surprise , the confusion . spot on 😅34:41
To clarify why the king wants to kill daenerys, she is the daughter of the mad king, who was killed before King Robert took his place. Her brother is heir to the iron throne and is a threat to King Robert's reign. The dothraki are a very dangerous army, and Daenerys is married to and pregnant with Kahl Drago's child. The dothraki have never crossed the narrow sea. If they cross the narrow sea, they are a real threat to 7 kingdoms and can take back the iron throne. That's why he wants to kill her.
i really enjoy watching with you three! you bring the humour and yeah, the craziness!! keep it up!
Glad you enjoy it! 🤩
The one in the middle is on point about there being more to why Ned didn't want to start killing Targaryen children willy nilly. You must've wanted to tell her so bad.
The dynamics on this reaction channel are great!
Glad you think so!
"I think they're homosexuals" - very good!
King Robert Cares because it's another Male Targaryen, and any male Targaryen has claim to the throne. Many fought for the Targaryen in Roberts Rebellion.
Ned will not kill Children.
When I worked in fast food, I used to tell the new kids to go and water the plants in the dining room (which were really obviously fake)... It's very important to find some form of entertainment while at work 😅
Your making great progress. I always look forward to your reactions.👑🐲🐺🦌🦁
Thank you! 😊
"I think they're homosexuals" almost made me spit out my food
Cheers
How did she solve the Jon Snow mystery already?! She must have been googling ;)
Merch idea, wine tumbler mugs with lids!
I said this before but thank you Stefani for protecting the SSC from spoilers! I know the react community is usually great at not doing that, but it gives extra sense that nothing ruins the upcoming episodes, etc.
I love the accents. Also how engaged in something that Ashley and Lindsay had no interest in before to being able to see the investment both have put in. Like the care to not see tear-y-on die.
But yes to the wine tumblers! 😂😂😂
Great idea!!
you need to put more of the show in, we have no idea what scene you are reacting to half the time
Great hosting, I would struggle to do as well as you 👍 great reaction .
Thank you!!
I always hated how the show changed Ser Gregor and See Loras' nicknames.
In this Loras was the knight of *_the_* flowers. In the book, he's the knight of flowers.
The show made his nick longer, but they shrunk Gregor's.
In this Gregor is just the Mountain. In the book, he's the Mountain that rides.😂
Are you going to react to the Histories and Lore as well at the end of each season? That would be a great place to season faves and most hated lists. LOVE the slow motion and the spill. I almost peed myself!
Yes we definitely will be! 🥰
It would be awesome if they ranked their top 5 or top 3 favorite characters. Just to see where their mind is at.
Next episode!
There technically are reasons beyond being honourable that Ned doesn't want to kill the targaryns but that's a long way off. I'm sure it was on the table at the time they made this though, just a huge secret
because he went mad/insane
Love your reactions
Are you ladies from the Dakotas or Minnesota?
We’re from the true north 😉 Canada 🍁
@@MugShotzReacts Now the accents make sense. The only groups in the U.S. with those accents are people from Minnesota or the Dakotas lol
"Your doing good work sisters." Ned Stark
“The Spill” 😂😂😂 epic!!
40:30 You can see the difference between a GoT veteran and Sweet Summer Children lol
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Its the "i think they're homosexuals" for me 😂
she nailed it!
To our SSC (Ashley, Lindsay), the next few episodes will get REAL interesting! Remember, the seed is strong.
Show the ladies a map of the world, they'll get used to it sooner.❤ From India
Hey! We checked out a map at the end of our 3rd reaction video go check it out ☺️
@@MugShotzReacts will definitely check it out!
You should deffo watch the lore!!! And bring more wine for Ashley. :D
Careful 🤣
You should get that jump slo-mo on a tee :-) kerk
History and lore is a must a this point. Yall are great
You got it!!
later in a few seasons you will understand why Ned doesn't want to kill Daenerys ☺️
The dialogue is completely inaudible.
It's not as fun watching a reaction if you can't hear what's being reacted to.
Think you could turn it up on future videos?
she hasn't reaaaaally solved it but she definitely caught on to some things!!
Fyi, Gendry’s name is pronounced with a hard G, like “golf.” 💜
Arys’s namesake will be explained later down the line.
You don’t know how many times I’ve corrected Lindsay hahaha