'He went to settle a score... or something of that nature.' Surely, in the end, given the magnitude of the slaughter, it must just have been about self-aggrandization and the drama of war for war's sake. I think this was also a large reason for Nga Puhi chiefs being so keen to sign the Waitangi Treaty... with finally tribes to the south properly armed and looking for revenge.
Kia ora from Illinois in the US. I recognized William's voice immediately. I often listen to the Aotearoa History Show and knew it was him but had to replay the beginning to be 100% sure I was correct. Thanks so much for this Podcast William.
"Noble savage" thinking. Hingakaka, the largest battle in New Zealand history, occured before the colonial period. The South Island was also embroiled in constant wars of conquest for a century before the colonial period, the conquest of Kati Mamoe and the extermination of Ngati Wairangi on the west coast in the 1700's, the enslavement of Ngati Tumatakokiri at the turn of the 1800's prior to Te Rauparaha's invasion.
I'm Hongi Hika 5th generation mokopuna from my Nan Te Okahika Hongi daughter of Hongi Hika her daughter Ripeka Rehara and Ripeka Son Pene Aukaha pene daughter Matemoana Aukaha to Matemoana son Anthony Antonio Huta to Anthony son my father and then me
Traditional weapons - ritual, sportmanship and chivalry. Muskets in the hands of the northern chiefs - disproportionate slaughter, bloodlust, savagery, and... feasting. Apparently, some toa died from bloat from too much feasting [not sure if this is true].
While australians were eating potatoes from NZ, Hongis men were eating women and children from the middle of the North Island, what a great food exchange program.
For people unfamiliar with modern Maori people ,it's amazing how many will clam to be direct ancestor's of the well known Maori chiefs of the past ie Hone Hiki ,when most in truth are descended from Maori war 'slaves' or lower ranked member's of tribes (which numbered in the ten of thousands across New Zealand ).Maori people in the past and today value being the ones who know knowledge others don't -often individual's will say they know the truth this all part of Maori Mana (gaining respect/rank for themselves in other eyes ). No one Maori today will know the truth ,only the many verbal stories and written accounts put together from all account's verbal or written from Maori and non Maori can a likely truth be known for the History of New Zealand and it's people . Like most history the winners will set the narrative ,but Maori have an approach to history where the losers would 'spin a tale' to make them look much better to save their 'Mana' . Maori are a fascinating people and how there people evolved and developed there ways of life and believes shouldn't be forgotten
This is true but it’s really easy to pick out inconsistencies in these people’s narratives whether it be common sensual stuff (Many modern Te Arawa claim that Tama Te Kapua was the paramount ariki of Hawaiki - but if this were true he wouldn’t have left to come to Aotearoa); or just straight up inconsistencies in timelines/descendants (many modern Māori skip 15 generations per Tupuna some times); or just straight up lies (claiming to be a descendent of a chief without knowing their actual whakapapa). There is enough factual, researched, noted whakapapa from either Aotearoa or even from other islands that note whakapapa for us to spend a bit of time to check 😂
One thing I love doing with these people who claim Hongi’s descent is asking his Marae on both sides and barely anyone could name any of the three he associated with
William Rey often has a woke bias in his representation of NZ history sadly.Although he recalls Hongi actively sort weaponry and went to England and Australia Hongi Hika’s need for revenge or “utu” stemmed from the battle of Moremonui in 1807. In this battle Nga-Puhi were severely beaten by Ngati Whatua and Hongi’s sister, brother and half brother were killed. William Rey doesnt mention this. This wasnt the European that caused these wars as Rey would have you believe.
Sad to say Cuz But He rewrote the Maori talk into garbage lie'z into trade Guns and Money with Zat a Title (warrior chief) just like Hitlar or Zelinsky Came the Killing of the REAL ROYAL CHIEF'S Moriori and Hawaiian Dont you not no about the Shrunken heads of NZ
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'He went to settle a score... or something of that nature.' Surely, in the end, given the magnitude of the slaughter, it must just have been about self-aggrandization and the drama of war for war's sake. I think this was also a large reason for Nga Puhi chiefs being so keen to sign the Waitangi Treaty... with finally tribes to the south properly armed and looking for revenge.
Kia ora from Illinois in the US. I recognized William's voice immediately. I often listen to the Aotearoa History Show and knew it was him but had to replay the beginning to be 100% sure I was correct. Thanks so much for this Podcast William.
Kia Ora, are you Maori?
Much respect ❤
Hongi is many things Diplomatic, kind and benevolent are some of them!
Pakeha know little of this dude, killed many tangata o ngati Hine outer Bay of Islands, Tawhitirahi shame for those ngapuhi
Completely savage and merciless... as if his native culture was reacting against the Christian culture that he was very familiar with.
"Noble savage" thinking. Hingakaka, the largest battle in New Zealand history, occured before the colonial period. The South Island was also embroiled in constant wars of conquest for a century before the colonial period, the conquest of Kati Mamoe and the extermination of Ngati Wairangi on the west coast in the 1700's, the enslavement of Ngati Tumatakokiri at the turn of the 1800's prior to Te Rauparaha's invasion.
My Tupuna Hongi Hika
Respect and Honor and Honable Chief
I think hongi was magnificent he kept his intentions to himself in got those muskets !!
First World War - opposing parties had similar technology. [Early] Musket Wars - only one side had the technology.
The story of him going to Whangaroa and getting shot is a bit wrong, I'm his direct descendant from pupuke...
Well then, explain your korero here for future generations. Because Ngati Tautahi also have a story or two
I'm Hongi Hika 5th generation mokopuna from my Nan Te Okahika Hongi daughter of Hongi Hika her daughter Ripeka Rehara and Ripeka Son Pene Aukaha pene daughter Matemoana Aukaha to Matemoana son Anthony Antonio Huta to Anthony son my father and then me
Traditional weapons - ritual, sportmanship and chivalry. Muskets in the hands of the northern chiefs - disproportionate slaughter, bloodlust, savagery, and... feasting. Apparently, some toa died from bloat from too much feasting [not sure if this is true].
Wouldn’t be surprised the same thing was said about Te Wherowheros Warriors at the Pukerangiora Pa Massacre in 1831.
While australians were eating potatoes from NZ, Hongis men were eating women and children from the middle of the North Island, what a great food exchange program.
For people unfamiliar with modern Maori people ,it's amazing how many will clam to be direct ancestor's of the well known Maori chiefs of the past ie Hone Hiki ,when most in truth are descended from Maori war 'slaves' or lower ranked member's of tribes (which numbered in the ten of thousands across New Zealand ).Maori people in the past and today value being the ones who know knowledge others don't -often individual's will say they know the truth this all part of Maori Mana (gaining respect/rank for themselves in other eyes ). No one Maori today will know the truth ,only the many verbal stories and written accounts put together from all account's verbal or written from Maori and non Maori can a likely truth be known for the History of New Zealand and it's people . Like most history the winners will set the narrative ,but Maori have an approach to history where the losers would 'spin a tale' to make them look much better to save their 'Mana' . Maori are a fascinating people and how there people evolved and developed there ways of life and believes shouldn't be forgotten
This is true but it’s really easy to pick out inconsistencies in these people’s narratives whether it be common sensual stuff (Many modern Te Arawa claim that Tama Te Kapua was the paramount ariki of Hawaiki - but if this were true he wouldn’t have left to come to Aotearoa); or just straight up inconsistencies in timelines/descendants (many modern Māori skip 15 generations per Tupuna some times); or just straight up lies (claiming to be a descendent of a chief without knowing their actual whakapapa).
There is enough factual, researched, noted whakapapa from either Aotearoa or even from other islands that note whakapapa for us to spend a bit of time to check 😂
One thing I love doing with these people who claim Hongi’s descent is asking his Marae on both sides and barely anyone could name any of the three he associated with
@riverofstars8567 I researched whakapapa to know who I am. I can go back to the Tui Manu’a before we even left to Tahiti cuzzie, can you?
@@Aaroniusnz but We Waz Kangz N Sheit
who the hell's this guy? - baldhead knows nothing
English rewarded them for their brutality against their own people
Bloody na bush 😂
William Rey often has a woke bias in his representation of NZ history sadly.Although he recalls Hongi actively sort weaponry and went to England and Australia Hongi Hika’s need for revenge or “utu” stemmed from the battle of Moremonui in 1807. In this battle Nga-Puhi were severely beaten by Ngati Whatua and Hongi’s sister, brother and half brother were killed. William Rey doesnt mention this.
This wasnt the European that caused these wars as Rey would have you believe.
retelling these old lies about our tupuna is unneeded
Depending on where you stand
Maori Bible
Pakeha telling maori history lol
There is always two sides in telling history and they rarely agree because of bias .
Shane Jones does a better job
He Sold his MANA
Sad to say Cuz But He rewrote the Maori talk into garbage lie'z into trade Guns and Money with
Zat a Title (warrior chief) just like Hitlar or Zelinsky Came the Killing of the REAL ROYAL CHIEF'S
Moriori and Hawaiian
Dont you not no about the Shrunken heads of NZ
Ngati Manaia 😔 😿
@@rihipaeahughes9831 Ngati Ruanui? Wasn't it Ngati Toa [Te Rauparaha and his allies] that beat this tribe up?
Couldn't do it with out the musket ,