Not sure you guys are correct about Tupaia... Banks brought him on board, not Cook. Cook wasn't super keen on having him. And Banks brought him on more as a curiousity as a navigator. Of course Tupaia soon showed his immense talents and became crucial to the journey. As for the reasoning, Banks wanted to learn from the scholar/navigator/priest, but Banks also wanted to keep almost as a pet when he was back in England. He said "I do not know why I may not keep him as a curiosity, as well as some of my neighbours do lions and tigers." It was very weird.
Omai (Mai) (c. 1750-1778), the first Polynesian to visit Britain, was a young man of middling social standing who volunteered to sail from Huahine to England with Captain Furneaux on the Adventure (the ship accompanying James Cook's Resolution on Cook's second voyage of discovery (1772-1775). Banks took this guy under his wing and was his guardian and chaperone while in England. A charming and likeable guy by all accounts. So it wouldn't have been a stretch for Banks to do it for a second time. It was a very successful visit for Mai and was popular with the ladies.
I listened to all the episodes on my earpods now im gona have to watch it all again on here lol thankyou guys. Really opened my eyes and now i want to learn more
WELL They don't teach the truth anymore in schools ,thats for sure .PERHAPS YOU SHOULD READ some of the books they have to read in the school libriaries Remember Jizzina was caught removing 300 books from the libraries {the truth} of NEW zealands history.
This is a fabulous series, thank you so much. I assume there is not funding for this, but it would be great if the closed captions were officially written rather than automatically generated, or if there was a link to the transcript. This would be particularly helpful for some of the names. Ngā mihi nui and keep up the fantastic mahi!
Had Cook and Tupaia not made contact, it most certainly would have been the French. Jean Francois D'Surville captaining the St Jean Baptiste was said to have come within close proximity of the Endeavour off the coast of Cape Reinga as the latter was rounding it, although both were unaware of each other at the time and he was unaware of the Endeavour voyage. Marion du Fresne might also have made it a couple of years later, although he did meet Cook in Mauritius before sailing on into the southern ocean. I think doing an episode on French contacts with Māori could be worth the effort, as both groups of French have the most detailed accounts of pā construction prior to the Musket Wars.
Yeah that's an interesting idea. The thinking is that Surville and Cook passed within 20-30 miles of each other without knowing each other were there. Surville's crew was struggling with scurvy and they didn't stay long, before heading east to South America, where Surville died. So he didn't get to tell his story. But yeah adding in Pompellier, Akaora settlement etc and the French influence would be interesting.
@Damon Manda The problem with your theory is that Maori were people orientated and you needed to develop a personal relationship with them like the British Missionaries did with Nga Puhi Chiefs during early contact the French didn't have that particular connection like the British established and the French first contact ended nefariously. When interpretation of history you need to put yourself in a nineteen century lense and remember NZ was all native trees how could the French or Dutch take ova this country without meeting the locals or any resistance?
What a brilliant resource @Wim. Superb job. Like others have said, I wish it was around in my day and I've learned a lot. Look fwd to watching other eps. Btw, you'd look good in a Spad or Se5a. Take a Friday off one day and join us on flugpark :D
When I had Maori studies at Northcote College over the North Shore (many years ago now) I used to find it hard going as the teacher used to be uncomfortable which made me uncomfortable. The other students told me that he was uncomfortable and functioned better when I wasn't there. That was the only time I ever wagged school. There were very few Maori students there then in fact you could count them on one hand and still have some fingers left over. I loved school when I was at Otahuhu College but when we went to live over the Shore, it was different atmosphere and it was full on study even when I got home. When my friend said she was going to finish school in the fifth form when she and I were 15 y.o. I said "me too" My mother was very upset, but I refused to go back to school. She even went to the police to try to get me to go back, but I explained to him why. So you parents who move around, talk to your children, see how they are or going to handle it at 15 y o. My Mum could not pay for private tuition at that time..
Weird how the massacre of the crew of able tasmans ship is utterly ignored. It's an important reason as to why cooks crew was so on edge when they landed.
@@eeeaten No. Check the OP. "reason as to why cooks crew was so on edge" If you read the diaries, they give an explanation of why the crew was on edge, and what the interactions were like. I doubt that they were aware of Tasman's voyage. I do genuinely recommend reading them - they are interesting. They've also given me a taste for contemporary accounts of events. When people interpret events later, they invariably do so with a strong modern cultural bias, along with an attempt to mind-read, and usually some serious PC Bowdlerization. They tell modern audiences what they want to hear. This channel is a rare exception, btw. I'm very, very impressed by them.
1:33 Which Māori dialect pronounced ‘t’ as ‘d’? From what I’m aware, this is a Tongan pronunciation. Māori use a hard ‘t’ pronunciation. Can anyone let me know if some Māori dialects use the ‘d’ pronunciation.
Nice little story you got here. But the true story is a far superior story told. Tohunga, in the old ways pre te reo Māori, will tell you everything. Archipelago we all come from. The island of the nga Ariki. The island of the nga Toa The islands of the Tangata Wairua nui. Wisedom of the Universes.
Love history and thought your show very well presented. I would have loved to have learned about cannibalism, the reasons and methods, or is it something that is to be expunged from history?
This was really good. I had been thinking that it would be great if we had a show like Crash Course but for NZ History, and this is exactly that kind of thing. I would like to know what the source of the "Māori tools in Australia" claim is though. Seems like it could be liable to misinterpretation.
Hi and thanks for the question. One of our lovely consultant historians has an answer for you... Best source is Atholl Anderson's Tangata Whenua. In chapter three he covers this... I can't paste the screenshot in here but the text includes: "Norfolk Island settlers may have continued westward and perhaps fetched up in Australia, as several adzes of East Polynesian type have been recovered from the coast of NSW". Anderson is drawing from the work of W.W Thorpe: ‘Evidence of Polynesian Culture in Australia and Norfolk Island’, JPS, 38 (1929), pp.123-26. Hope that helps!
@@TheAotearoaHistoryShow very interesting and seems likely to be true openresearch-repository.anu.edu.au/bitstream/1885/60065/2/01_White_A_Norfolk_Island_basalt_adze_2014.pdf
1:30 You forget to mention the main thing Tupaia had noticed the Maori had adopted since they left the Pacific Islands , Kaitangata or Cannibalism. When Tupaia first come across it It shocked him so much that he froze and turned pale, he was utterly mortified. Alot of the Maori thought of Tupaia as a wus and the warriors used to tease him about his fear of them eating other people. They would do it on purpose in front of him then offer him certain body parts to eat whereupon Tupaia would get sick and throw up , then the warriors would laugh telling him his people were not as tough as the Maori because they did not eat man flesh
why would you think maori would have adopted it since leaving hawaiki, rather than just continuing the practice? cannibalism was common in the pacific - fiji, marquesas, the solomons for example. tupaia probably knew of cannibalism where he was from.
@@eeeaten oh you again , do you actually know Tupaias story and what he said about the issue ? obviously not and rather than trying to support your narrative and sanitising things to support it how about doing it the other way around and doing the research first then forming your narrative based on that. just for your info about cannibalism . yes at one time all polynesians practiced it but by about 1000 AD polynesian society had matured enough to realise this was wrong and forbade its practice it became Taboo. Solomons and fiji are melanesian less evolved culturally than the polynesians ,marquesans like the maori being outliers on the periphery of the polynesians cultural zone both regressed and lost a lot of the polynesian civilised traits that had been emerging in the core of polynesia cannibalism being one thing the ability to build double hulled ocean going vessals was another. .........Anei ra, Te kikokiko rekareka o aku hoariri, nga umu whakakia koopu ki te utu , anei nga tohu a tumatauenga.
@@GenesisSurovov you've just made up the 1000AD number. obviously tupaia didn't support cannibalism. some pacific people practiced it, some did not. it's pretty racist to say some cultures were regressed or less evolved or civilised, but yes stopping the practice was probably associated with more social stability and less conflict. polynesians didn't all decide at once to stop it, some retained it, some did not. likewise even in new zealand iwi maori were very different people with different customs. some lived in constant conflict, some had highly stratified hierarchical societies. you're judging people from centuries ago by modern standards.
Where's this information sources? I'm sure tupaia had seen cannibalism throughout the polynesian Islands. Where'd you think the maori got these practices from?
Adaptation to Aotearoa by eastern Polynesian colonists would have been challenging. The comments however about how animals species on tropical islands were faster breeding than animals in Aotearoa do not sound right in the context of the challenges involved. More critical issues would have been the lack of access to many of the plants that sustained life on tropical islands such as taro, breadfruit, yams, sugar cane and baking bananas. The kumara being the obvious exception. It is also curious that the colonists did not have chickens and pigs which provided nutrition in throughout tropical Polynesia.
Polynesians have been in this whenua a lot longer than your research suggests. Maui, you, kiwa, to name a few, were all here way before those waka migrations, just declaring that.
@@TheAotearoaHistoryShow I’m looking at bunbury’s dates from nov last year, with the north island settled 1250-1275 and the south 1280-1295. Do you have information asserting a later date of arrival?
A flotilla of ships set sail from Egypt around 232B.C., during the reign of Ptolemy III, on a mission to circumnavigate the globe. The six ships sailed under the direction of Captain Rata and Navigator Maui, a friend of the astronomer Eratosthenes, who was head of the Alexandria library. The commander and navigator knew from Eratosthenes that the circumference of the earth was.... They departed Alexandria made land somewhere on West Papua, McCluer Bay Iran, Java, then sailed on to NZ landing first in the South Island at Bruce Bay. They dropped off RATS (kiore) along their way. Then circumnavigated NZ for three months before moving on to Rarotonga, then Tahiti, then to Hawaii, then to San Miguel, then sailed 4000 miles south along the coastline to San Fernando, Santiago, Chile, looking for a passage east. Realizing their passage east had been foiled by the massive land mass of Island the Americas he sailed back to Pitcairn Island, then to Tahiti and then to Tonga, deciding to stay in Polynesia rather then returning to face the music in Alexandria. So began the legend of Maui. Maui made a name for himself in Tonga where there is a massive stone called Ha'amonga 'a Maui (Burden of Maui). A cave in North West New Guinea ''Irian Jaya'' called the ''caves of the navigators'' where Barry Fell deciphered images that told of Maui's visit. Clearly showing Maui passed through the Islands of Eastern Indonesia provisioning his ships & the home to the Indonesian rice paddy rat. or Kiore the ''Polynesian rat''. Research Fidelio & Barry Fell - he lived in Wellington for a while before being headhunted by an American university.
@robintamihere4550 cool debunked theory from 1903 you got there lol. Copy paste articles from websites aren't exactly the best sources to base your opinions on lol.
..Tupaia's comment to Cook and his companions ..''take care for yourselves, for these people are not your friends..'' Cook's diaries and those of his companions are available on-line, read the circumstances for yourself.
Tupaia wasn’t there to save Cook on his final voyage to the Hawaiian Islands. Even after all he had been through, he made the mistake of attempting to kidnap and ransom the aliʻi nui (the highest ranked ruler of the island) which ended in a fight and his eventual death.
@@TheKalihiMan ..Cook was regarded as the fulfillment of a prophecy by the Hawaiians and treated as an atua. But he left and his ship was damaged in a storm, he returned for repairs. The Hawaiians could not understand how a God could be stopped by a storm, they had a change of mind and murdered him on the sea shore.
A lot of truths here but also a lot of simplistic opinion based historical stories mixed in to fill gaps- until New Zealand actually accept robust archeology based proof, it’s hard to tell our young people a genuine history for New Zealand.
@@eeeaten I thought what he said was very legit and smack on target. Were you trying to try and say something to him by your comment ? seems like it but you dont have the balls to say it so your vagueness to leaves you hipercritical
I´m from France. As the Europeans arrived in New zealand were they impressed with the quality of the metals that the maori used in the making of their knives?
They were a stone age culture upon contact with the Europeans and had no knowledge of metalurgy.. The French sent a scientific expedition to new zealand in the very early years and took some very interesting samples back to museums in France one was the extinct 'Kawekaweau' which was a giant tree salamander with red spots on its back.
@@GenesisSurovov The Kawekaweau was a gecko, the world's largest. The last of them may have survived until the early 1980s, when a very large burnt lizard was found after NZ Forest Products Ltd burning of native forest north of Dargaville to establish pine plantations. At the time it was thought to be a tuatara. There are other reports around the 1960s at Waipoua and Warawara. Rats obviously led to its demise, with the possum putting the nail in its coffin.
Kiaora katoa, Maui is tangata whenua. The first person to live on the 8th continent called "Te-Riu-a-Maui." Maui lived on the 8th piece of continent that had seperated from the other 7 pieces of continents. A continent is one of Earth's seven main divisions of land. The continents are, from largest to smallest: Asia, Africa, North America, South America, Antarctica, Europe, Australia and now Aotearoa/New Zealand to confirm the 8th continent called "Te-Riu-a-Maui" The "Tuatara Lizard" is one of the oldest lizards in the world. And only found in Aotearoa/New Zealand when the continents seperated the land and the Animal kingdom. Just like the kangaroo to the Indigenous Aboriginal people of Australia. The kangaroo is only found on that part of the land continent and no where else in the world? The Kangaroo did not jump on a boat and paddle from island to island. The kangaroo was always there on that piece of land and survived just like aboriginal indigenous people were always there. Once upon a time the 8 continents were all joined together as one giant piece of land called "Gondwana" or "Pangea" Gondwana was the great southern landmass that formed as a result of the division of a much larger supercontinent known as Pangea about 250 million years ago. This Gondwanan supercontinent consisted of present day landmasses: Africa, South America, India, Madagascar, Australia and New Zealand. Maui had to of witnessed the rise of water on this continent when it was just dry land before the great story of the North Island? The fish that Maui pulled up? being "Te ika a Maui" the fish that Maui pulled up. Maui had to of witnessed that natural event of how the landmass and shape of Aotearoa/New Zealand took place and became what it is today. From one continent landmass to a North and South Island surrounded by water. "Kupe the first" did not witness this natural event that Maui witnessed. Kupe the first did not meet and greet "Maui the first." They lived different timelines. Kupe the first when he first arrived to "Te-ika-a-Maui" he then renamed it "Aotearoa" In some Whakapapa (genealogy) the descendants of Maui who are the first people of the land (tangata whenua) met and hosted Kupe on his first arrival and fed him Hangi (food cooked in the earth) So where did Kupe come from? Its believed by some families according to there Whakapapa and family history. That the people of theTahiti island are Maori who are descendants of Maui and got lost at sea or followed the migrating birds. Tahiti and many of the islands surrounding like Rarotonga are all made and formed over time from hot volcanic rock meaning those islands werent apart of the continent. If so there would of been Tuatara Lizards living on those islands. Those "Tahitian Maori" found the Island of Tahiti by following migrating birds or lost at sea or discover voyage and those Maori descendants of Maui lived 500 years to 1000/2000 years isolated on the island of Tahiti? One day Kupe was born and found his way back to the land of "Te-ika-a-Maui" rediscovering his ancestors of Maui who are tangata whenua the first people of the land. Kupe then Married back into "tangata whenua" The descendants of Maui the first people of the land and continent. 1. Maui owned the continent and called it "Te-Riu-a-Maui" 2. Maui then witnessed the natural event of the sea water rising on the continent to form the shape of the North Island and South Island today as the highest peak of the continent. 3. Maui then named the North Island "Te-ika-a-Maui" the fish that Maui pulled up as he witnessed the sea level rising and covering the continent. Around this period of time its possible that Maui's family members got lost at sea? Adventure? Following migrating birds that have found new land and food to nest and feed? These Maori descendants discovered the island of Tahiti? 4. 500-2000 years later? Kupe voyages from Tahiti/Rarotonga and discovers "Te-ika-a-Maui" 5. Kupe renames the North/South Island to "Ao-tea-roa" (The Land of The Long White Cloud) 6. Kupe is met with a Hangi on his arrival by tangata whenua in the North Island. The descendants of Maui - the first people of the land. 7. Kupe re-marrys back into tangata whenua bloodlines. 8. Ngapuhi Paramount Chief Hongi Hika is a descendant of those tangata whenua bloodlines through his mothers side. 9. Hongi Hika visits King William the 4th in England around the early 1820's. 10. In 1840 a peace treaty is presented to the Maori Chiefs to form a partnership. 11. Aotearoa is renamed by the British as "New Zealand" If you disagree with any of this please comment below to get a civil discussion going.
Pou, as in pounamu is a beautiful and rich sound that is very rarely pronounced well. Our lazy pakehafied lips now tend to pronounce pou as pau. It's sad because the ou sound is a beautiful sound in maori. Think of the Rereahu stream Ourongomaipoho, the Hauraki River name Waihou, such poetic sounds but so seldom heard.
Hi Grant. We cover those topics in other episodes, especially the Musket Wars ep. "Rife" is a bit strong as a word to describe cannibalism but it was a feature. People were taken captive and held against their will, but slavery was very different from the sort of plantation slavery in the Americas and there's no record of trading humans as property.
Hi there, I'm guessing you haven't watched the video? The episode is about Maori's first 500 years in Aoteroa, currently estimated to have been from around the late 1200s. The 500 years we're talking about runs until the arrival of the Endeavour.
A flotilla of ships set sail from Egypt around 232B.C., during the reign of Ptolemy III, on a mission to circumnavigate the globe. The six ships sailed under the direction of Captain Rata and Navigator Maui, a friend of the astronomer Eratosthenes, who was head of the Alexandria library. The commander and navigator knew from Eratosthenes that the circumference of the earth was.... They departed Alexandria made land somewhere on West Papua, McCluer Bay Iran, Java, then sailed on to NZ landing first in the South Island at Bruce Bay. They dropped off RATS (kiore) along their way. Then circumnavigated NZ for three months before moving on to Rarotonga, then Tahiti, then to Hawaii, then to San Miguel, then sailed 4000 miles south along the coastline to San Fernando, Santiago, Chile, looking for a passage east. Realizing their passage east had been foiled by the massive land mass of Island the Americas he sailed back to Pitcairn Island, then to Tahiti and then to Tonga, deciding to stay in Polynesia rather then returning to face the music in Alexandria. So began the legend of Maui. Maui made a name for himself in Tonga where there is a massive stone called Ha'amonga 'a Maui (Burden of Maui). A cave in North West New Guinea ''Irian Jaya'' called the ''caves of the navigators'' where Barry Fell deciphered images that told of Maui's visit. Clearly showing Maui passed through the Islands of Eastern Indonesia provisioning his ships & the home to the Indonesian rice paddy rat. or Kiore the ''Polynesian rat''. Research Fidelio & Barry Fell - he lived in Wellington for a while before being headhunted by an American university.
@@mjanny6330 If my copy and paste of Maui is true that puts him in the South Island in 231BC. You know letting his non paying passengers of the kiore aka Polynesian Rat. The rats that were carbon dated to before 12-1300 when Maori were believed to have first arrived.
@@mjanny6330 If my cut and paste is correct, that puts Navigator Maui and Captain Rata in the South and North Islands in 231BC disembarking his non payimg passengers the KIORE the POLYNESIAN RAT. Coinsidentally this rat is found all over the South Pacific Islands. It's bones have been carbon dated in NZ to before 12-1300 before the Maori.
The history we’ve been taught about Aotearoa.. real name “Niu Tireni” is wrong. Us Māori people have always been here long before the English and long before Polynesians from other islands came over.
maori are eastern polynesian. their ancestors began arriving from around 1250AD. niu tireni is a transliterated pakeha name. aotearoa is the best indigenous name for this country.
Great job, but one thing didn’t make sense in the context of the fact that as island dwellers already, my money would be on the fact that they already would have had a culture of resource management and sustainability from their previous generations and experience, so it’s a yeah nah for me on the Moa thing, I’d venture a environmental issue could have a huge impact on the ecosystem like a meteor ☄️ shower and or resulting climate change of organic origin?
Not sure how accurate this account is. Kumara came from South America not the Islands. No mention of Rapanui and the families that came from the East pacific.
@@TheDangerBeat the ancestors of Māori were eastern Polynesian yes, but not from Rapa Nui. They were from rarotonga, Tahiti, Society Islands. Pretty much the same people as those from Rapa Nui genetically.
Congratulations for telling a story with some academic grounding. Maori certainly left the Cook Islands and Tahiti, this is not in dispute if you listen to the accounts of both those Island groups who have a record of Maori leaving in the direction of Aotearoa. Also, the story of Tainui the tribe of the Kings tells of Maori arriving here and discovering that there were already people living here. There is no reason to doubt people recording that they were not the first inhabitants of a land that they would eventually come to completely dominate. Those pre Maori inhabitants of Aotearoa were the descendants of Kupe....our Polynesian cousins. Please make an episode explaining why Rapanui speak the same language as NZ Maori with a different dialect, and why Easter Islanders Tupuna are the exact same names as Maori Tupuna from the great migration. The World is obsessed with the Moai someone needs teach them that those Moa at the far tip of the Polynesian triangle are the same family of Polynesians who went the furthest south and settled Aotearoa. Those two stories are the greatest epic in the story of Polynesian migration, please do it justice with a show that links the two furthest points of Polynesia and explains how pre Aotearoa Maori were the explorers that discovered Rapanui and Aotearoa. The Rangatira of Rapanui say this is so. Rapanui Tupuna include names like Hotunui...Hoturoa...my direct ancestors th-cam.com/video/cjvjLji5VQ4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=0dHne8rFzWgj7fhb
you are confused about what it means to be "pre-maori". the first people of new zealand are the eastern polynesian ancestors of maori. the ancestors did not all arrive at one time but via many (eastern polynesian) waka over many years, perhaps generations. obviously the later arrivals found (eastern polynesian) people already here, hence those stories. but that doesn't mean the earlier arrivals weren't the tupuna of maori. talk of "pre-maori" people in nz doesn't make sense, as those people are the same people you speak of, who settled the eastern pacific, hawaii and nz from around 1200AD.
@@eeeaten i agree with all your accounts and the wave of migrations rather than one point and time. Also I agree that the people Maori found here were related and not a separate people. I must have lost my way when using the word Maori to mean the later culture that evolved here. It is interesting to note in Nga Iwi O Tainui how they settled alongside people who had come before them, these people were said to have a darker complexion and different dialect, these people intermarried with Tainui and were seen as being distinct (not separate or of a different people, just different the words of the oratory.
@@tunite12 great :) sorry i am wary of anyone suggesting there were pre-maori people in nz, as that us usually the realm of conspiracy nuts and racists seeking to undermine maori as tangata whenua. so just wanted to check on that point. as you say yes iwi maori certainly saw other iwi maori as different peoples, and no doubt there were differences in appearance and dialect, even though all of them were eastern polynesian.
@@eeeatenpre-maori would technically be any people here prior european arrival maori as an identity wasn't established until then. Also there are links not only with Eastern Asia but south America and Australia so to say maori are descendants of Eastern Asia alone is very wrong.
@@ecnegilletni3537 there were definitely no genetic links with the Americas or Australia. The first people of nz were the eastern Polynesian ancestors of Māori, their ancestors were Samoan/Tongan, and from the western pacific before that. You have it wrong.
Hey Noah, thanks for your comment. We talked about doing some bios in this season, but we decided to stick with broader topics. But he does feature in an upcoming episode on The Musket Wars. We've also done a whole Black Sheep episode on him, which you can listen to on any podcast app or here: www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/black-sheep/story/201822561/warrior-chief-the-story-of-hongi-hika
Maori have told me colonisation is what caused Maori molesting their kids and why father's were rapping their daughters and other whanau member's like uncle's and aunty's were touching their nephew's and nieces. They said pakeha bought alcohol here and Maori drunk it and that's when the molesting started. I don't believe that and tell them to stop blaming colonisation, alcohol for that disgusting behaviour, families need to address whats happened and start lifting the carpets to clean underneath instead of sweeping secrets under there while the victims suffer in silence!!
The pronunciation of the Maori letter T by this lady is a well intended effort to use traditional pronunciation, but it isn't yet perfected. It sounds too much like a European letter D. The Maori T is pronounced with the tongue flat on the upper palate, a good cm of the tongue on the palate, not just the tip. My father, Takarangi was a Maori language tutor in the 1960s, with fastidious attention to pronunciation, having gained his reo from Waikato and King Country Maori elders from the 1930s. Maori is a beautiful language and when pronounced in tune, it is music to the ear.
It is now known Maori probably settled in the 14 th century, 600 years ago only 350 years before Cook ,as their no proof of large settlements before the 14 century.
The news nowdays is more interesting. New Zealand Hearald News 14 Apr, 2024: During a torturous and prolonged night of violence, William James Whata (A MAORI) held his partner down and shoved his fist down her throat with such force that he broke her jaw. The attack came after the 48-year-old had tried strangling his partner multiple times. By the time emergency services arrived, the woman was discovered with numerous injuries including visible damage to her jaw. Now, Whata has been jailed for the violence which started when he went around to the victim’s property on March 4, 2023, despite having been issued a five-day police safety order. A CCTV camera at the property captured most of the events from that night, which began about 10pmwith the pair arguing in the lounge. The victim turned and walked away when Whata grabbed her, put his arm around her neck, and put her in a chokehold. She fell to the ground with Whata on top of her. He let her go and she got to her feet but he chased her back into the lounge where he tried to put another chokehold on her. She managed to push him off but fell to the ground and Whata took the opportunity to put her in another chokehold for about 7 seconds, causing her to go in and out of consciousness. As he held her down, Whata then kneed her in the head and torso four times and continued strangling her for about a minute. Once he let go, she again tried to run for her life, making it outside, but Whata chased her. Some time later he got a knife and followed her around the house with it as she carried out household tasks. He stood guard to ensure she didn’t push her domestic violence button and at one stage cornered her in the kitchen with the knife to her head and punched her. At 1.45am, Whata threw her through the open ranch slider and then held her down on the ground, before closing the door and curtains. While on top of her, he put his hand inside her mouth and pried apart her jaw with downward pressure for about 10 seconds. She begged him to stop and tried to push him off but he continued similar attacks for two more hours. Some time later in the morning she said she needed to use the toilet, where she pressed her panic button and alerted emergency services. St John paramedics discovered she’d suffered a broken jaw due to visible jaw drop, and had multiple cuts and swelling to her face.
We don't actually know that the culture would have blossomed at all. Most cultures go backwards, and others go extinct. Consider the Aztecs, the Capsian culture, or the inhabitants of Easter Island. Still, it would have been far better to find a genuine alternative to Western culture.
Kia Ora e hoa ma. Am sure many tangata whenua from their own whenua continue to look to Maori for mana and encouragement to help them stand up for whenua,iwi, moana rights. Thankfully and hopefully to help trace their ancestry back to Aperehama in the OT.
ok, while I acknowledge that this video is an improvement from previous ones, there're some mis-facts in your presentation which are as follows: 1. The term "Maori" was yet another convenient mechanism to unify the tribes in order to make dividing and conquering easier, because you cannot divide and conquer those who are already independent bodies. 2. "colonisation" in its legal context & general meaning is to be 'sent' from a 'political power' and remain subject to the mother-country, whereas the waves of migratory waka had no duty or obligation to any such aforesaid body in their former homeland, thus the word "colonisation" is not apt and does not technically apply. 3. Oral histories speak of much earlier migratory waves than 1200 AD, furthermore, the NZ Government know this & even use an ancient explorer's marker from circa 650 AD to stake NZ's claim over the Ross Dependency in Antarctica. NOTE: Old Imperial & Ecclesiastical powers based their legal claims to land on certain Papal Bulls that were active from the year 1189 & cannot lawfully make a claim to land evidenced as being settled by pagans before that date -- see: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_immemorial 4. References to Ngai Tahu @4:09 and/or southern tribes relying entirely on hunting & fishing instead of plantations is not fact. Southern tribes were trading pounamu with Northern tribes for obsidian from Tuhua (aka Mayor Island, scoria rock) & other items & resources, of which many of these items were found in various spots in the South. Further to that, Southern tribes designed their own unique system of growing kumara in between rows of volcanic rock sourced from the north, & in 1642 at the arrival of Tasman it is now known that vege plantations were evident. So these tribes were NOT "relying entirely" on hunting & fishing. 5. @4:48 the term "sub-tribe" is a mis-description of a western' concept of the native structure, whereas the term 'hapu' is first, then secondly the 'whanau', then the 'iwi'. 6. @6:33 "when these food sources ran out, they simply moved on." - who writes this shit?! NOTE: I only got halfway thru the vid & may watch the rest at an other time.
Hi there. Thanks for paying such close attention. We're confident those things you're questioning are correct and certainly not 'misfacts'. For example, the use of the word 'colonisation' in terms of Maori social eras is what's used by the most reputable anthropologists at this time and the first arrival date of Polynesians in the late 1200s-early 1300s i certainly the consensus view of most historians currently. One of the historians advising this projects is Mike Stevens, who's an expert in Kai Tahu history, so we're confident in our stories involving that iwi.
Barely mis-facts - you're being pedantic over a 20 min educational video. 1. What's your point? The term Māori and māori was accurately described and it was also explained that "Māori" didn't refer to themselves that way. 2. Colonization comes from the word colony, or Latin "Colonus" which meant to settle, farm and cultivate. The term colonization also refers to the spread of one population to another area whilst maintaining links to the original population - which the earliest Polynesian settlers did. 3. Oral histories refer to earlier exploration which is different from settlement. 4. What are you on about? The point was being made that Southern iwi tended towards migration over farming compared to Northern iwi and Te Tauihu. It's a generalization, it's not meant to be an all encompassing statement. 5. This is the challenge with translation, it's a 20 minute video, not a PhD thesis. Just like how we understand what whānau means even though we can't translate it effectively. 6. This is a characterization. You're just being pedantic to be pedantic. Make your own 20 hour video if this one is so bad
@@TheAotearoaHistoryShow Thank you for the reply. To the point on the word "colonisation"; whoever you're relying on would do well to seek specificity on the actual legal definition thereof, as it technically does not apply & validity can be easily found in any law dictionary. Dr Mike's propositions, and indeed anyone else's, are always subject to critique, as he's not the only learned adept on an island populated by numerous iwi other than just Kai Tahu - so again, I reassert the points raised hereinabove. Dr Mike would also be familiar with the works of Ian Barber of the Otago Department of Anthropology & Archaeology who evinces the presence of planting pits throughout the South, further supporting Point 4.
@Damon Manda The point is they were hunting and gathering at that time, not planting crops or settling in one place. But that changed later. It's showing the evolution of the society.
Cool video but it misses a lot of mātauranga that is a big part of māori history like the migration from our home in Hawaiki. Why did we come to Āotearoa? How we already discovered Āotearoa before we named it that, and have been going back and fourth NZ and Hawaiki untill the late 15th century. Or how we decend from the Lapita family, and melanesia. How our cultural beliefs and systems evolved from te Kāpu in Hawaiki to what it is now. Or how māori interacted with the real ideginous people of Āotearoa named the Hāmata Tribe, later the term "Moriori" was popularized. Or the Urukehu māori thats genetic traits connect to ngā patupaiarehe. How our people accurately navigated the seas. And were extremely civilised. These are the founding truths that make māori history and future. The people and culture and built on everything i just mentioned.
that stuff about pre-maori peoples has been shown to be mythical. there were no people in aotearoa before the eastern polynesian ancestors of maori began arriving from around 1250AD. those stories are about mythical peoples and also probably a result of the fact that eastern polynesians did not all arrive at one time. obviously later arrivals found people already here. but those earlier people were also maori, or rather eastern polynesian.
@eeeaten Not only New Zealand but every island in the pacific. Has history of their ancestors arriving to their island and people were already there.....Tonga,Hawaii,Tahiti,Samoa,Aotearoa so why do you not acknowledge their accounts of their history.
@@ecnegilletni3537 some of these myths were picked up or brought to these islands from elsewhere, that's how storytelling works. there's no evidence for people in polynesia before the lapita ancestors of polynesians, there's no evidence of people in hawaii, tahiti, rapa nui or new zealand before polynesians arrived there. polynesians are the first people of polynesia.
@eeeaten if the entire pacific ocean is saying the same thing then there's definitely truth in it. The people have nothing to gain by saying the islands were already inhabited so that gives more praise to it being truth. You believe maori came from Hawaiki yet there is no physical evidence or even verbal evidence of it's existence.
I dont think they where as basic as this story. There boats where good enuf they used them for exploring the world, when they found a country, they stayed there long enough to know its food sources where good enuf to tell the missus, then went back and picked her up, with the kids, then talked her into taking them back without getting lost...
do they say something about the boats in this video? i guess they're shown as much simpler than they were. they were much bigger than shown, and could cross the pacific ocean. didn't g around the world tho.
@@eeeaten i just thought, history can't be based of one story. Now I see there are series's on the channel. I think they are really great how they can deliver much historical research.
People comment about which coloniser would have been the evil better. Maori would have lost whichever foreign imperialist invaded but to what degree. And that Maori should be grateful the British arrived to save the savages. There's the benevolent BS 😂😆🤣
@@samdetroper9118 Yes the might of the British Empire. Yet, they didn't honour their treaty obligations. They who speak with fork tongue. They signed the bank cheque. Be accountable and honour it. For Maori, the cheque bounced.
@@mjanny6330 Correct. Read Article 2 of the Treaty. Article 2 was the insurance policy (guaranteed Maori their resources or assets) if the Crown reneged. Yeah, and renege they did.
I would live to know how our ancestors survived the winters 🥶 and what type of clothing they wore. Did Moa become extinct so fast due Maori killing them for food and clothing from the skins.
They basically wore piu piu with no underpants both men and women used to wear nothing in there top half, missionaries made the women cover their boobs. Some of the folk with a bit of mana would have dogskined cloaks that they wore over their shoulders and some tribes wore reeds over their shoulders as well. Maori also used to lavish their bodies in thick whale oil this helped keep them warm. They survived the winters with Fires burning all the time in the villages also their Whares were built low to the ground so you couldnt stand up and walk around in them . they did this tohelp keep the warmth inside as they did not have to heat up a large spacious room.
A point to be made is during that time Tribes were known as ''Hapu'' and not ''iwi'' or [ bones ]. At the start of the 21st century the Pakeha came up with the idea of ''iwi'' or [ bones ] a name for all the Maori tribes. Maori Kuia did not like ''iwi'' and quote, ''It was the Pakeha idea ''iwi'' ''iwi'' are bones and bones you will find in a cemetery, bones are dead.'' Maori Kuia objected to ''iwi'' and did not like the Pakeha idea at all. Maori Kuia said, ''we are Hapu.'' Protected in Article three of ''The Treaty of Waitangi 1840.'' Nga mihi Pomarie
Therefore not indigenous. You forgot to mention why Cook’s men shot the Maori. The Maori went for Cook’s sword. And you never touch a white man’s sword 🗡️
The first waka was captain by Kupe he told his people their were people here.Rarotonga.@eeeaten we know where we are from.Again New Zealanders trying to tell our history.You know where you came from.Don,t worry I won't try and tell you where you're from.
They thought they were being threatened. They fired warning shots but Māori didn’t know what the sounds were. They then shot a person, Te Maro. The record suggests Te Maro was about to throw a spear, but we can’t know whether he was actually attacking or issuing a challenge. The British didn’t want to shoot, they were afraid, but at the same time they were the invaders.
Quite a history about the Maori - put the Inca's or the Aztecs to shame in degeneration. Outcast during the 13th century as weaker primitive Neolithic people by the invading Hawaiians & Tongans (Maori were from the original wave of primitive Asian/Melanesians pushed right out across the Eastern Pacific by successive stronger more advanced races coming from the west). They were outcast on rafts and some floated up in NZ stranded for 500 years. The weaker were pushed down to the South Island or Chathams etc. So the South Island Maori (had their own language) were the weakest of the weak. They were captured and eaten as 'Slave flesh' by the northern Maori doing raids. (Well they all ate each other - 80% of Maori pre European were dark skinned easily fattened slaves farmed and eaten by a lighter skinned 'Ariki' thin wiry elite royal caste). So it was with some righteousness as well as British cunning that they armed the southern Maori who then with muskets launched a genocidal war on the north.. That plus measles & flu halved the Maori population and removed most of the elite. The British then liberated the slaves and outlawed cannibalism. The northern Maori fought with the British against the south bad west Maori 'rebels'. The Maori sued for peace and a treaty was signed that removed all sovereignty and made them subjects to the English crown where the English would protect them from each other. Land could only be sold to or via the Crown. Maori could live on their reservations with native custom but none did. The treaty of Waitangi is strikingly clear in that the Maori cede sovereignty completely and become citizens of Great Britain - all 3 clauses lock that in. Nothing in today's 'Maori' culture is authentic. The music - all European (Maoris did not have tonal music, the songs are missionary tunes or introduced - Poi dance is from Islands and Stick dance from old Malaya. The carvings and art - all European - Arabesques that was the fashion at the time. Original Maori had limited dash carving and no painting of objects. No written language - all the syntax & grammar plus vowel inflection is European. No technology - some lagoon canoes and wood or stone Neolithic tools. No food sources - like pigs or crops - they left that all behind, all they had was a weak inbred fox (now extinct), some rats and a weak dismal pacific yam. They ate out all the bird-life, didn't know how to farm the sea as were island people and so they turned to societal cannibalism. Today - no full blood or half blood left. No genuine tradition and almost all are offspring of Maori slave females sold to white settlers for muskets or food. -So more fake than the 'Sioux' or 'Cherokee' or 'Crow' who had at least retained some genuineness about who they were and their history. -Everything you 'saw or experienced' is Fake. A totally convected disneyfied tokenistic set of inventions fueled by a grievance culture of mixed-race imposters fetishing a false past bad history because it pays benefits. 'This Horrid Practice' - Professor Paul Moon, "A Savage Country" Professor Paul Moon 'Behind The Tattooed Face' - Heretaunga Pat Baker, 'Anthropology In The South Seas' - H D Skinner
Misinformation. miss interpretations of various writers and misunderstandings of Māori history, and IDIOTS like jesus who portray their false perverted NARCISSISTIC DICKHEAD narratives. 1st ERROR, Māori have a ancestry back to the Aztecs. 2nd ERROR Māori did not float up in NZ stranded for 500 years, as he candidly states, what a load of BS - Māori travelled back and forth for generations between the Polynesian Islands from whence they came and back to NZ. 3rd ERROR Māori actually stopped off and lived with the Hawaiians, Tongans, Tahitians, Samoans and a number of other island, most of these islands have markers/plagues or monuments that mark the Māoris jump off point, i.e., departure points from these islands. fancy that!!! 4th ERROR, In all of my research never have i heard of light skinned 'Ariki' thin wiry elite royal caste) Māori. 5th ERROR Māori did not appear on the Chatham Islands until around the 1830s or shortly thereafter, as the Moriori were already living there. One reason Māori turned up on the Chatham's was due to colonization, where the British Soldiers stole their land by displacing Māori off their land and chased/forced Māori from the North Island to flee to the South Island and than flee to the Chatham Islands. 6th ERROR I have never heard of the following - ''So it was with some righteousness as well as British cunning that they armed the southern Maori who then with muskets launched a genocidal war on the north''. This is the first time I'm hearing that the south island maori were armed by the British to go to war with the north island Māori. 7th ERROR to say ''measles & flu halved the Māori population and removed most of the elite.'' Removed most of the elite is pure fallacy. 8th ERROR The Māori DID NOT sued for peace and a treaty was signed. Te Tiriti o Waitangi written in Te Reo is a complicated document to understand. But sue for peace No we did not. Another fallacy. 9th ERROR The treaty DID NOT removed all sovereignty and make Māori subjects to the English crown where the English would protect them from each other. Again he does not have a grasp and FULL IN-DEPTH understanding of Te Tiriti o Waitangi. I'll go one further as little is known of this FACT which only goes to further complicate misunderstandings. By the signing of Te Tiriti NZ was annexed to New South Wales on behalf of the British Monarchy, but NSW was not at the time part of the British territories. 10th ERROR he says ''Today - No genuine tradition and almost all are offspring of Māori slave females sold to white settlers for muskets or food. -So more fake than the 'Sioux' or 'Cherokee' or 'Crow''' ALMOST ALL Māori come from female slaves'' is the ULTIMATE INSULT. this ass hole dares to insult my race with fake information. Need I continue to point out ALL of the other ERRORS in his comments.
Are you available to discuss further regarding the Ali'i lines. I'm aware the term generally means chief or Master in most Polynesian languages. Ari'i- Tahiti Ali'i - Samoa and Hawaii Eiki- Tonga Ari'i- NZ I know Tahitians and Samoans subsequently brought the Ali'i system to Hawaii overthrowing the earlier Polynesian groups already there. Would you say these are all the same lines?
@@BarHawa Yes the Maori Ariki were the original royals until the society broke down due to a desperate shortage of protein. The Ariki then evolved into the cannibalistic ruling class.
Now where have I seen this comment before just recently? Oh yes, on Sean Plunkets The Platform series with Michael Laws...an exact "cut and paste" comment...I can't believe how old this circulated comment is still making the rounds...😂
2:42 The word Maori does not mean ordinary. The origin of this word goes back to Western Polynesia. Starts from Samoa Maoí, then when they travel east to Tahiti becomes Maohi, north to Hawaii Maoli, Cook Island Maori and finally Aotearoa Maori. The word means indigenous.
so wai maori is "indigenous water"? i think you're being unnecessarily offended by the word "ordinary". in reo maori "maori" doesn't mean plain as in unremarkable or boring, it means normal and natural.
@@eeeaten with respect, whether you are Tangata Whenua or Pakeha, even a mixture, an understanding of Te Reo would go a long way. Ma=pure, o=of, ri=Pleiades, hardly plain, ordinary or normal. Te reo tikanga should be embraced, embracing its' origins and its' deep meanings shouldn't be overlooked. While you're at it, look at why is Tokerau North and Tonga South? Mull it over. Whakawhetai.
The narrative polynesians arrived in Nz around 1300 AD is a rough estimate. Particularly based on archeology reports the earliest evidence of human occupation is around that period. Not arrival at best they would estimate life span of the bones prior to death and estimate arrival that way. So in conclusion maori arrival is alot of estimates. You said when cook arrived the people occupying Aotearoa at the time didn't identify as maori. So alot of customs and cultures origions and histories of these people were considered a collective but we know this isn't the case at all. They have tribes and people in Nz claiming origin as far as easter island. And all over the entire pacific. All of these people didn't arrive in Nz by accident so obviously the polynesian ancestors had knowledge of Nz long before 1300AD.
there is no evidence of people in new zealand before the thirteenth century AD. over 500 sites around the country have been carbon-dated, and the oldest of them shows the first evidence of humans in nz as between 1250AD and 1275AD. yes, maori did not see themselves as "maori" until after europeans arrived - they saw each different group or iwi as different people. genetic analysis shows maori ancestry is eastern polynesian, all from the triangle of rarotonga, tahiti and the society islands. not the entire pacific.
A flotilla of ships set sail from Egypt around 232B.C., during the reign of Ptolemy III, on a mission to circumnavigate the globe. The six ships sailed under the direction of Captain Rata and Navigator Maui, a friend of the astronomer Eratosthenes, who was head of the Alexandria library. The commander and navigator knew from Eratosthenes that the circumference of the earth was.... They departed Alexandria made land somewhere on West Papua, McCluer Bay Iran, Java, then sailed on to NZ landing first in the South Island at Bruce Bay. Then circumnavigated NZ for three months before moving on to Rarotonga, then Tahiti, then to Hawaii, then to San Miguel, then sailed 4000 miles south along the coastline to San Fernando, Santiago, Chile, looking for a passage east. Realizing their passage east had been foiled by the massive land mass of Island the Americas he sailed back to Pitcairn Island, then to Tahiti and then to Tonga, deciding to stay in Polynesia rather then returning to face the music in Alexandria. So began the legend of Maui. Maui made a name for himself in Tonga where there is a massive stone called Ha'amonga 'a Maui (Burden of Maui). A cave in North West New Guinea ''Irian Jaya'' called the ''caves of the navigators'' where Barry Fell deciphered images that told of Maui's visit. Clearly showing Maui passed through the Islands of Eastern Indonesia provisioning his ships & the home to the Indonesian rice paddy rat. or Kiore the ''Polynesian rat''. Research Fidelio & Barry Fell - he lived in Wellington for a while before being headhunted by an American university.
Not sure you guys are correct about Tupaia... Banks brought him on board, not Cook. Cook wasn't super keen on having him. And Banks brought him on more as a curiousity as a navigator. Of course Tupaia soon showed his immense talents and became crucial to the journey.
As for the reasoning, Banks wanted to learn from the scholar/navigator/priest, but Banks also wanted to keep almost as a pet when he was back in England. He said "I do not know why I may not keep him as a curiosity, as well as some of my neighbours do lions and tigers." It was very weird.
Where you there?
@@AperaRangatauaPai were you ?
@@AperaRangatauaPai You could use that argument against every single person... but then you'd never learning anything.. that was weak.
@@96Caleb96or you could learn writing and not just Chinese whispers. You're history is like your science. Unless 😂
Omai (Mai) (c. 1750-1778), the first Polynesian to visit Britain, was a young man of middling social standing who volunteered to sail from Huahine to England with Captain Furneaux on the Adventure (the ship accompanying James Cook's Resolution on Cook's second voyage of discovery (1772-1775).
Banks took this guy under his wing and was his guardian and chaperone while in England. A charming and likeable guy by all accounts. So it wouldn't have been a stretch for Banks to do it for a second time. It was a very successful visit for Mai and was popular with the ladies.
I listened to all the episodes on my earpods now im gona have to watch it all again on here lol thankyou guys. Really opened my eyes and now i want to learn more
My family and I are really grateful to live in such a great country.Thanks to all the explorers where ever they came from
Same here dude cheers 🍻
If only they had videos like these when i was at school, I was always really bored of NZ history when taught in a classroom, these videos are great!
Thanks heaps. I guess we're never to old to lean more!
How are Māori indigenous when they immigrated here too
@@philipmairs3831 look up the definition of indigenous in anthropology
@@philipmairs3831 google the definition of the word "indigenous"
WELL They don't teach the truth anymore in schools ,thats for sure .PERHAPS YOU SHOULD READ some of the books they have to read in the school libriaries Remember Jizzina was caught removing 300 books from the libraries {the truth} of NEW zealands history.
This is a fabulous series, thank you so much. I assume there is not funding for this, but it would be great if the closed captions were officially written rather than automatically generated, or if there was a link to the transcript. This would be particularly helpful for some of the names. Ngā mihi nui and keep up the fantastic mahi!
Had Cook and Tupaia not made contact, it most certainly would have been the French. Jean Francois D'Surville captaining the St Jean Baptiste was said to have come within close proximity of the Endeavour off the coast of Cape Reinga as the latter was rounding it, although both were unaware of each other at the time and he was unaware of the Endeavour voyage. Marion du Fresne might also have made it a couple of years later, although he did meet Cook in Mauritius before sailing on into the southern ocean. I think doing an episode on French contacts with Māori could be worth the effort, as both groups of French have the most detailed accounts of pā construction prior to the Musket Wars.
Yeah that's an interesting idea. The thinking is that Surville and Cook passed within 20-30 miles of each other without knowing each other were there. Surville's crew was struggling with scurvy and they didn't stay long, before heading east to South America, where Surville died. So he didn't get to tell his story. But yeah adding in Pompellier, Akaora settlement etc and the French influence would be interesting.
@Damon Manda The problem with your theory is that Maori were people orientated and you needed to develop a personal relationship with them like the British Missionaries did with Nga Puhi Chiefs during early contact the French didn't have that particular connection like the British established and the French first contact ended nefariously. When interpretation of history you need to put yourself in a nineteen century lense and remember NZ was all native trees how could the French or Dutch take ova this country without meeting the locals or any resistance?
My tupuna liked the french, thought they were very tasty - you can thank them for scary the French colonist awau too
China saw the explosion of tongariro....
I wonder what the French would have thought of the huge carnivorous native snails !
Mean series... I'll definitely have my tamariki and whanau watch these. Kia kaha,Kia Maia, Kia Manawanui e Mani e te rangatira.
@@I_Extinguish_I hahahaha
Thoroughly enjoying this history. Choking with laughter at some of your comments 😂 Makes history fun to learn
Loved this episode! Looking forward to watching the rest ✌️ Liked and subscribed
Watch out for there lies😂
What a brilliant resource @Wim. Superb job. Like others have said, I wish it was around in my day and I've learned a lot. Look fwd to watching other eps.
Btw, you'd look good in a Spad or Se5a. Take a Friday off one day and join us on flugpark :D
This is fantastic, thank you!
When I had Maori studies at Northcote College over the North Shore (many years ago now) I used to find it hard going as the teacher used to be uncomfortable which made me uncomfortable. The other students told me that he was uncomfortable and functioned better when I wasn't there. That was the only time I ever wagged school. There were very few Maori students there then in fact you could count them on one hand and still have some fingers left over. I loved school when I was at Otahuhu College but when we went to live over the Shore, it was different atmosphere and it was full on study even when I got home. When my friend said she was going to finish school in the fifth form when she and I were 15 y.o. I said "me too" My mother was very upset, but I refused to go back to school. She even went to the police to try to get me to go back, but I explained to him why. So you parents who move around, talk to your children, see how they are or going to handle it at 15 y o. My Mum could not pay for private tuition at that time..
this episode was one of my favs thanks
If you hear the similarity of reo between Māori and Cook Island........very interesting.
Weird how the massacre of the crew of able tasmans ship is utterly ignored. It's an important reason as to why cooks crew was so on edge when they landed.
4 dudes in a little boat were killed by maori - hardly a massacre of the crew?
@@eeeaten Actually, it is worth reading Cook's diaries of the interactions. There's nothing like a contemporary account.
@@tonycatman cook’s diaries of when Abel Tasman came to visit?
@@eeeaten No. Check the OP. "reason as to why cooks crew was so on edge"
If you read the diaries, they give an explanation of why the crew was on edge, and what the interactions were like. I doubt that they were aware of Tasman's voyage.
I do genuinely recommend reading them - they are interesting.
They've also given me a taste for contemporary accounts of events.
When people interpret events later, they invariably do so with a strong modern cultural bias, along with an attempt to mind-read, and usually some serious PC Bowdlerization. They tell modern audiences what they want to hear.
This channel is a rare exception, btw. I'm very, very impressed by them.
@@tonycatman aCtUaLlY I’ve read them
I am really enjoying your presentation and information. Good to learn more.
1:33
Which Māori dialect pronounced ‘t’ as ‘d’?
From what I’m aware, this is a Tongan pronunciation.
Māori use a hard ‘t’ pronunciation.
Can anyone let me know if some Māori dialects use the ‘d’ pronunciation.
Nice little story you got here. But the true story is a far superior story told.
Tohunga, in the old ways pre te reo Māori, will tell you everything. Archipelago we all come from.
The island of the nga Ariki.
The island of the nga Toa
The islands of the Tangata
Wairua nui.
Wisedom of the Universes.
As I'm sure you know there are many origin stories. These are but some but come from thoroughly researched oral histories.
@@TheAotearoaHistoryShow Hi, what exact credible verbal research evidence is there? Thanks
@@josiahforlong4963 Watch the video again 🙄
@@josiahforlong4963what’s ur evidence
im so happy this media is coming out
Love history and thought your show very well presented. I would have loved to have learned about cannibalism, the reasons and methods, or is it something that is to be expunged from history?
are we having a good day guys!
This was really good. I had been thinking that it would be great if we had a show like Crash Course but for NZ History, and this is exactly that kind of thing. I would like to know what the source of the "Māori tools in Australia" claim is though. Seems like it could be liable to misinterpretation.
Hi and thanks for the question. One of our lovely consultant historians has an answer for you... Best source is Atholl Anderson's Tangata Whenua. In chapter three he covers this... I can't paste the screenshot in here but the text includes: "Norfolk Island settlers may have continued westward and perhaps fetched up in Australia, as several adzes of East Polynesian type have been recovered from the coast of NSW".
Anderson is drawing from the work of W.W Thorpe: ‘Evidence of Polynesian Culture in Australia and Norfolk Island’, JPS, 38 (1929), pp.123-26.
Hope that helps!
@@TheAotearoaHistoryShow very interesting and seems likely to be true openresearch-repository.anu.edu.au/bitstream/1885/60065/2/01_White_A_Norfolk_Island_basalt_adze_2014.pdf
What animation software do you use? Love the mahi
Cheers. Chris Maguren is the talented animator.
Aroha the mahi
Well that was bloody good...
1:30 You forget to mention the main thing Tupaia had noticed the Maori had adopted since they left the Pacific Islands , Kaitangata or Cannibalism. When Tupaia first come across it It shocked him so much that he froze and turned pale, he was utterly mortified. Alot of the Maori thought of Tupaia as a wus and the warriors used to tease him about his fear of them eating other people. They would do it on purpose in front of him then offer him certain body parts to eat whereupon Tupaia would get sick and throw up , then the warriors would laugh telling him his people were not as tough as the Maori because they did not eat man flesh
why would you think maori would have adopted it since leaving hawaiki, rather than just continuing the practice? cannibalism was common in the pacific - fiji, marquesas, the solomons for example. tupaia probably knew of cannibalism where he was from.
@@eeeaten oh you again , do you actually know Tupaias story and what he said about the issue ? obviously not and rather than trying to support your narrative and sanitising things to support it how about doing it the other way around and doing the research first then forming your narrative based on that. just for your info about cannibalism . yes at one time all polynesians practiced it but by about 1000 AD polynesian society had matured enough to realise this was wrong and forbade its practice it became Taboo. Solomons and fiji are melanesian less evolved culturally than the polynesians ,marquesans like the maori being outliers on the periphery of the polynesians cultural zone both regressed and lost a lot of the polynesian civilised traits that had been emerging in the core of polynesia cannibalism being one thing the ability to build double hulled ocean going vessals was another. .........Anei ra, Te kikokiko rekareka o aku hoariri, nga umu whakakia koopu ki te utu , anei nga tohu a tumatauenga.
@@GenesisSurovov you've just made up the 1000AD number. obviously tupaia didn't support cannibalism. some pacific people practiced it, some did not. it's pretty racist to say some cultures were regressed or less evolved or civilised, but yes stopping the practice was probably associated with more social stability and less conflict. polynesians didn't all decide at once to stop it, some retained it, some did not. likewise even in new zealand iwi maori were very different people with different customs. some lived in constant conflict, some had highly stratified hierarchical societies. you're judging people from centuries ago by modern standards.
Where's this information sources? I'm sure tupaia had seen cannibalism throughout the polynesian Islands. Where'd you think the maori got these practices from?
@@tiotiwilliams8311 cook's diaries
Adaptation to Aotearoa by eastern Polynesian colonists would have been challenging. The comments however about how animals species on tropical islands were faster breeding than animals in Aotearoa do not sound right in the context of the challenges involved. More critical issues would have been the lack of access to many of the plants that sustained life on tropical islands such as taro, breadfruit, yams, sugar cane and baking bananas. The kumara being the obvious exception. It is also curious that the colonists did not have chickens and pigs which provided nutrition in throughout tropical Polynesia.
Polynesians have been in this whenua a lot longer than your research suggests. Maui, you, kiwa, to name a few, were all here way before those waka migrations, just declaring that.
The earliest evidence of humans in aotearoa is 1250-1275AD.
@@eeeaten Yep, those are the consensus dates at this time, though a few say first arrival could have been as late as the early 1300s.
@@TheAotearoaHistoryShow I’m looking at bunbury’s dates from nov last year, with the north island settled 1250-1275 and the south 1280-1295. Do you have information asserting a later date of arrival?
A flotilla of ships set sail from Egypt around 232B.C., during the reign of Ptolemy III, on a mission to circumnavigate the globe. The six ships sailed under the direction of Captain Rata and Navigator Maui, a friend of the astronomer Eratosthenes, who was head of the Alexandria library. The commander and navigator knew from Eratosthenes that the circumference of the earth was....
They departed Alexandria made land somewhere on West Papua, McCluer Bay Iran, Java, then sailed on to NZ landing first in the South Island at Bruce Bay. They dropped off RATS (kiore) along their way. Then circumnavigated NZ for three months before moving on to Rarotonga, then Tahiti, then to Hawaii, then to San Miguel, then sailed 4000 miles south along the coastline to San Fernando, Santiago, Chile, looking for a passage east. Realizing their passage east had been foiled by the massive land mass of Island the Americas he sailed back to Pitcairn Island, then to Tahiti and then to Tonga, deciding to stay in Polynesia rather then returning to face the music in Alexandria. So began the legend of Maui.
Maui made a name for himself in Tonga where there is a massive stone called Ha'amonga 'a Maui (Burden of Maui).
A cave in North West New Guinea ''Irian Jaya'' called the ''caves of the navigators'' where Barry Fell deciphered images that told of Maui's visit. Clearly showing Maui passed through the Islands of Eastern Indonesia provisioning his ships & the home to the Indonesian rice paddy rat. or Kiore the ''Polynesian rat''.
Research Fidelio & Barry Fell - he lived in Wellington for a while before being headhunted by an American university.
@robintamihere4550 cool debunked theory from 1903 you got there lol.
Copy paste articles from websites aren't exactly the best sources to base your opinions on lol.
..Tupaia's comment to Cook and his companions ..''take care for yourselves, for these people are not your friends..'' Cook's diaries and those of his companions are available on-line, read the circumstances for yourself.
The massacre of able tasmans crew was still fresh in their cultural memories.
Tupaia wasn’t there to save Cook on his final voyage to the Hawaiian Islands. Even after all he had been through, he made the mistake of attempting to kidnap and ransom the aliʻi nui (the highest ranked ruler of the island) which ended in a fight and his eventual death.
@@TheKalihiMan ..Cook was regarded as the fulfillment of a prophecy by the Hawaiians and treated as an atua. But he left and his ship was damaged in a storm, he returned for repairs. The Hawaiians could not understand how a God could be stopped by a storm, they had a change of mind and murdered him on the sea shore.
A lot of truths here but also a lot of simplistic opinion based historical stories mixed in to fill gaps- until New Zealand actually accept robust archeology based proof, it’s hard to tell our young people a genuine history for New Zealand.
did you disagree with something in the video? vague criticism is worthless.
I would like to know when they did the first ram raid.
@@eeeaten I thought what he said was very legit and smack on target. Were you trying to try and say something to him by your comment ? seems like it but you dont have the balls to say it so your vagueness to leaves you hipercritical
@@ourpeople-g7r That was actually kind of funny, ka pai ehoa .. The real one actually happened at my local dairy in Glendene a few years back
@@GenesisSurovov come on mate the comment was super vague. get a grip.
I´m from France. As the Europeans arrived in New zealand were they impressed with the quality of the metals that the maori used in the making of their knives?
There was no metal in Polynesia, Māori are Polynesian people.
They were a stone age culture upon contact with the Europeans and had no knowledge of metalurgy.. The French sent a scientific expedition to new zealand in the very early years and took some very interesting samples back to museums in France one was the extinct 'Kawekaweau' which was a giant tree salamander with red spots on its back.
@@GenesisSurovovsorry who are you and speak for Māori typical white person trying to tell our history
@@GenesisSurovov The Kawekaweau was a gecko, the world's largest. The last of them may have survived until the early 1980s, when a very large burnt lizard was found after NZ Forest Products Ltd burning of native forest north of Dargaville to establish pine plantations. At the time it was thought to be a tuatara. There are other reports around the 1960s at Waipoua and Warawara.
Rats obviously led to its demise, with the possum putting the nail in its coffin.
@@stephenking4170 The consensus now is that Gigarcanum delcourti was in fact from New Caledonia and not New Zealand.
Kiaora katoa,
Maui is tangata whenua. The first person to live on the 8th continent called "Te-Riu-a-Maui."
Maui lived on the 8th piece of continent that had seperated from the other 7 pieces of continents.
A continent is one of Earth's seven main divisions of land. The continents are, from largest to smallest: Asia, Africa, North America, South America, Antarctica, Europe, Australia and now Aotearoa/New Zealand to confirm the 8th continent called "Te-Riu-a-Maui"
The "Tuatara Lizard" is one of the oldest lizards in the world. And only found in Aotearoa/New Zealand when the continents seperated the land and the Animal kingdom. Just like the kangaroo to the Indigenous Aboriginal people of Australia. The kangaroo is only found on that part of the land continent and no where else in the world? The Kangaroo did not jump on a boat and paddle from island to island. The kangaroo was always there on that piece of land and survived just like aboriginal indigenous people were always there.
Once upon a time the 8 continents were all joined together as one giant piece of land called "Gondwana" or "Pangea"
Gondwana was the great southern landmass that formed as a result of the division of a much larger supercontinent known as Pangea about 250 million years ago. This Gondwanan supercontinent consisted of present day landmasses: Africa, South America, India, Madagascar, Australia and New Zealand.
Maui had to of witnessed the rise of water on this continent when it was just dry land before the great story of the North Island? The fish that Maui pulled up? being "Te ika a Maui" the fish that Maui pulled up. Maui had to of witnessed that natural event of how the landmass and shape of Aotearoa/New Zealand took place and became what it is today. From one continent landmass to a North and South Island surrounded by water.
"Kupe the first" did not witness this natural event that Maui witnessed. Kupe the first did not meet and greet "Maui the first." They lived different timelines. Kupe the first when he first arrived to "Te-ika-a-Maui" he then renamed it "Aotearoa"
In some Whakapapa (genealogy) the descendants of Maui who are the first people of the land (tangata whenua) met and hosted Kupe on his first arrival and fed him Hangi (food cooked in the earth)
So where did Kupe come from?
Its believed by some families according to there Whakapapa and family history. That the people of theTahiti island are Maori who are descendants of Maui and got lost at sea or followed the migrating birds. Tahiti and many of the islands surrounding like Rarotonga are all made and formed over time from hot volcanic rock meaning those islands werent apart of the continent. If so there would of been Tuatara Lizards living on those islands.
Those "Tahitian Maori" found the Island of Tahiti by following migrating birds or lost at sea or discover voyage and those Maori descendants of Maui lived 500 years to 1000/2000 years isolated on the island of Tahiti? One day Kupe was born and found his way back to the land of "Te-ika-a-Maui" rediscovering his ancestors of Maui who are tangata whenua the first people of the land.
Kupe then Married back into "tangata whenua" The descendants of Maui the first people of the land and continent.
1. Maui owned the continent and called it "Te-Riu-a-Maui"
2. Maui then witnessed the natural event of the sea water rising on the continent to form the shape of the North Island and South Island today as the highest peak of the continent.
3. Maui then named the North Island "Te-ika-a-Maui" the fish that Maui pulled up as he witnessed the sea level rising and covering the continent. Around this period of time its possible that Maui's family members got lost at sea? Adventure? Following migrating birds that have found new land and food to nest and feed? These Maori descendants discovered the island of Tahiti?
4. 500-2000 years later? Kupe voyages from Tahiti/Rarotonga and discovers "Te-ika-a-Maui"
5. Kupe renames the North/South Island to "Ao-tea-roa" (The Land of The Long White Cloud)
6. Kupe is met with a Hangi on his arrival by tangata whenua in the North Island. The descendants of Maui - the first people of the land.
7. Kupe re-marrys back into tangata whenua bloodlines.
8. Ngapuhi Paramount Chief Hongi Hika is a descendant of those tangata whenua bloodlines through his mothers side.
9. Hongi Hika visits King William the 4th in England around the early 1820's.
10. In 1840 a peace treaty is presented to the Maori Chiefs to form a partnership.
11. Aotearoa is renamed by the British as "New Zealand"
If you disagree with any of this please comment below to get a civil discussion going.
This is funny asf😂😂😂
Nga Puhi Nui Tonu!!!
Ngapuhi nui tonu ake ake ake!! 😆
And I'm proud that my great great grandmother is Rahina te hui 😊😊
Pou, as in pounamu is a beautiful and rich sound that is very rarely pronounced well. Our lazy pakehafied lips now tend to pronounce pou as pau. It's sad because the ou sound is a beautiful sound in maori. Think of the Rereahu stream Ourongomaipoho, the Hauraki River name Waihou, such poetic sounds but so seldom heard.
Journals and record keeping of the british. Record keeping is very important.
You overlooked the canabalism and the taking of slaves particularly after defeating an enemy
Canabalism and slavery were rife in Māori history
Hi Grant. We cover those topics in other episodes, especially the Musket Wars ep. "Rife" is a bit strong as a word to describe cannibalism but it was a feature. People were taken captive and held against their will, but slavery was very different from the sort of plantation slavery in the Americas and there's no record of trading humans as property.
@TheAotearoaHistoryShow "it's different when we do it" lol
When did they do the first ram raid?
@@ourpeople-g7rwhen did the white man steal our land
Why does that make you feel better about your ancestors stealing our land
We've been here a lot longer than 500 years.
Hi there, I'm guessing you haven't watched the video? The episode is about Maori's first 500 years in Aoteroa, currently estimated to have been from around the late 1200s. The 500 years we're talking about runs until the arrival of the Endeavour.
A flotilla of ships set sail from Egypt around 232B.C., during the reign of Ptolemy III, on a mission to circumnavigate the globe. The six ships sailed under the direction of Captain Rata and Navigator Maui, a friend of the astronomer Eratosthenes, who was head of the Alexandria library. The commander and navigator knew from Eratosthenes that the circumference of the earth was....
They departed Alexandria made land somewhere on West Papua, McCluer Bay Iran, Java, then sailed on to NZ landing first in the South Island at Bruce Bay. They dropped off RATS (kiore) along their way. Then circumnavigated NZ for three months before moving on to Rarotonga, then Tahiti, then to Hawaii, then to San Miguel, then sailed 4000 miles south along the coastline to San Fernando, Santiago, Chile, looking for a passage east. Realizing their passage east had been foiled by the massive land mass of Island the Americas he sailed back to Pitcairn Island, then to Tahiti and then to Tonga, deciding to stay in Polynesia rather then returning to face the music in Alexandria. So began the legend of Maui.
Maui made a name for himself in Tonga where there is a massive stone called Ha'amonga 'a Maui (Burden of Maui).
A cave in North West New Guinea ''Irian Jaya'' called the ''caves of the navigators'' where Barry Fell deciphered images that told of Maui's visit. Clearly showing Maui passed through the Islands of Eastern Indonesia provisioning his ships & the home to the Indonesian rice paddy rat. or Kiore the ''Polynesian rat''.
Research Fidelio & Barry Fell - he lived in Wellington for a while before being headhunted by an American university.
No you haven't brother. There's no shame in it.
@@mjanny6330 If my copy and paste of Maui is true that puts him in the South Island in 231BC. You know letting his non paying passengers of the kiore aka Polynesian Rat. The rats that were carbon dated to before 12-1300 when Maori were believed to have first arrived.
@@mjanny6330 If my cut and paste is correct, that puts Navigator Maui and Captain Rata in the South and North Islands in 231BC disembarking his non payimg passengers the KIORE the POLYNESIAN RAT. Coinsidentally this rat is found all over the South Pacific Islands. It's bones have been carbon dated in NZ to before 12-1300 before the Maori.
Nice rewriting of history. Interesting to see how a different bias chooses to elevate certain ideas and gloss over others.
Makes them sound like Mother Teresa with a bit of fighting.
Did you disagree with something in the video?
I need to be in touch re the period. Very specif.1828 and 1832.. thanks port jackson. It is important.if not i will Waukoto.thanks.
The history we’ve been taught about Aotearoa.. real name “Niu Tireni” is wrong. Us Māori people have always been here long before the English and long before Polynesians from other islands came over.
maori are eastern polynesian. their ancestors began arriving from around 1250AD. niu tireni is a transliterated pakeha name. aotearoa is the best indigenous name for this country.
@@eeeaten incorrect
@@THE_MENACE879 lol just sharing the facts.
@@eeeaten it’s not facts it’s historically inaccurate..
@@THE_MENACE879 then why do all anthropologists and historians agree with me
Great job, but one thing didn’t make sense in the context of the fact that as island dwellers already, my money would be on the fact that they already would have had a culture of resource management and sustainability from their previous generations and experience, so it’s a yeah nah for me on the Moa thing, I’d venture a environmental issue could have a huge impact on the ecosystem like a meteor ☄️ shower and or resulting climate change of organic origin?
The Tahitian and British weren't here to visit, they were here to fight, the Tahitian were back up
Brought with them, not bought with them. Bought is to bring, bought is to buy.
Not sure how accurate this account is.
Kumara came from South America not the Islands.
No mention of Rapanui and the families that came from the East pacific.
This is accurate. Kumara came to the islands from the Americas, and then to New Zealand from the islands. People did not come to nz from Rapa Nui.
@eeeaten yes they did. Just like how people came from the east Pacific.
@@TheDangerBeat the ancestors of Māori were eastern Polynesian yes, but not from Rapa Nui. They were from rarotonga, Tahiti, Society Islands. Pretty much the same people as those from Rapa Nui genetically.
Tupaia....Cook woulda been lost without him
To be fair they were both very talented navigators.
@@TheAotearoaHistoryShow Cook undoubtedly woulda made it to Aotearoa, but the locals wouldn't have taken kindly to him had it not been for Tupaia
Tupaia became ill and died on board the Endeavour.
@@robintamihere4550 Tupaia died in Jakarta
@@mixmastermootree Yes your correct.
Congratulations for telling a story with some academic grounding.
Maori certainly left the Cook Islands and Tahiti, this is not in dispute if you listen to the accounts of both those Island groups who have a record of Maori leaving in the direction of Aotearoa.
Also, the story of Tainui the tribe of the Kings tells of Maori arriving here and discovering that there were already people living here.
There is no reason to doubt people recording that they were not the first inhabitants of a land that they would eventually come to completely dominate.
Those pre Maori inhabitants of Aotearoa were the descendants of Kupe....our Polynesian cousins.
Please make an episode explaining why Rapanui speak the same language as NZ Maori with a different dialect, and why Easter Islanders Tupuna are the exact same names as Maori Tupuna from the great migration.
The World is obsessed with the Moai someone needs teach them that those Moa at the far tip of the Polynesian triangle are the same family of Polynesians who went the furthest south and settled Aotearoa.
Those two stories are the greatest epic in the story of Polynesian migration, please do it justice with a show that links the two furthest points of Polynesia and explains how pre Aotearoa Maori were the explorers that discovered Rapanui and Aotearoa.
The Rangatira of Rapanui say this is so. Rapanui Tupuna include names like Hotunui...Hoturoa...my direct ancestors th-cam.com/video/cjvjLji5VQ4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=0dHne8rFzWgj7fhb
you are confused about what it means to be "pre-maori". the first people of new zealand are the eastern polynesian ancestors of maori. the ancestors did not all arrive at one time but via many (eastern polynesian) waka over many years, perhaps generations. obviously the later arrivals found (eastern polynesian) people already here, hence those stories. but that doesn't mean the earlier arrivals weren't the tupuna of maori. talk of "pre-maori" people in nz doesn't make sense, as those people are the same people you speak of, who settled the eastern pacific, hawaii and nz from around 1200AD.
@@eeeaten i agree with all your accounts and the wave of migrations rather than one point and time. Also I agree that the people Maori found here were related and not a separate people.
I must have lost my way when using the word Maori to mean the later culture that evolved here.
It is interesting to note in Nga Iwi O Tainui how they settled alongside people who had come before them, these people were said to have a darker complexion and different dialect, these people intermarried with Tainui and were seen as being distinct (not separate or of a different people, just different the words of the oratory.
@@tunite12 great :) sorry i am wary of anyone suggesting there were pre-maori people in nz, as that us usually the realm of conspiracy nuts and racists seeking to undermine maori as tangata whenua. so just wanted to check on that point. as you say yes iwi maori certainly saw other iwi maori as different peoples, and no doubt there were differences in appearance and dialect, even though all of them were eastern polynesian.
@@eeeatenpre-maori would technically be any people here prior european arrival maori as an identity wasn't established until then. Also there are links not only with Eastern Asia but south America and Australia so to say maori are descendants of Eastern Asia alone is very wrong.
@@ecnegilletni3537 there were definitely no genetic links with the Americas or Australia. The first people of nz were the eastern Polynesian ancestors of Māori, their ancestors were Samoan/Tongan, and from the western pacific before that. You have it wrong.
A day later then a day earlier then yesterday but today 😂 0:06
Rangitāhua is known as the Kermadec Islands, and Motu Maha or Maungahuka is known as the Auckland Islands.
Omg so cewl so many facts on moari history
Kia ora. I love the show and Māori culture. Can you make an episode on hongi hika?
Hey Noah, thanks for your comment. We talked about doing some bios in this season, but we decided to stick with broader topics. But he does feature in an upcoming episode on The Musket Wars. We've also done a whole Black Sheep episode on him, which you can listen to on any podcast app or here: www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/black-sheep/story/201822561/warrior-chief-the-story-of-hongi-hika
Maori have told me colonisation is what caused Maori molesting their kids and why father's were rapping their daughters and other whanau member's like uncle's and aunty's were touching their nephew's and nieces. They said pakeha bought alcohol here and Maori drunk it and that's when the molesting started. I don't believe that and tell them to stop blaming colonisation, alcohol for that disgusting behaviour, families need to address whats happened and start lifting the carpets to clean underneath instead of sweeping secrets under there while the victims suffer in silence!!
There where no other Ships know before the Tahitian and British
Let's just ignore the natives that lived there before the Polynesian colonization of these islands... great "history" Channel
there weren't any. the first people of nz were the eastern polynesian ancestors of maori.
Skeletons in the cupboard 1. 2. 3. Is the true history of NZ
No, that is made up fantasy nonsense from kooks and amateurs.
At what point did multiple waves of different Polynesians become Maori?
The pronunciation of the Maori letter T by this lady is a well intended effort to use traditional pronunciation, but it isn't yet perfected. It sounds too much like a European letter D. The Maori T is pronounced with the tongue flat on the upper palate, a good cm of the tongue on the palate, not just the tip. My father, Takarangi was a Maori language tutor in the 1960s, with fastidious attention to pronunciation, having gained his reo from Waikato and King Country Maori elders from the 1930s. Maori is a beautiful language and when pronounced in tune, it is music to the ear.
Canoe Ocean traveling through swells, kontiki, Egyptian meaning a device with a sail
Kontiki had nothing to do with Māori
Portuguese, Netherlands, British along with Tahitian
When did motioning get here
It is now known Maori probably settled in the 14 th century, 600 years ago only 350 years before Cook ,as their no proof of large settlements before the 14 century.
the earliest evidence of maori is from around 1250AD, the earliest european to set foot in nz was 1769.
Lets look at the boyd incident
just how many troll accounts do you have?
The news nowdays is more interesting.
New Zealand Hearald News 14 Apr, 2024:
During a torturous and prolonged night of violence, William James Whata (A MAORI) held his partner down and shoved his fist down her throat with such force that he broke her jaw. The attack came after the 48-year-old had tried strangling his partner multiple times. By the time emergency services arrived, the woman was discovered with numerous injuries including visible damage to her jaw. Now, Whata has been jailed for the violence which started when he went around to the victim’s property on March 4, 2023, despite having been issued a five-day police safety order. A CCTV camera at the property captured most of the events from that night, which began about 10pmwith the pair arguing in the lounge. The victim turned and walked away when Whata grabbed her, put his arm around her neck, and put her in a chokehold. She fell to the ground with Whata on top of her. He let her go and she got to her feet but he chased her back into the lounge where he tried to put another chokehold on her. She managed to push him off but fell to the ground and Whata took the opportunity to put her in another chokehold for about 7 seconds, causing her to go in and out of consciousness. As he held her down, Whata then kneed her in the head and torso four times and continued strangling her for about a minute. Once he let go, she again tried to run for her life, making it outside, but Whata chased her. Some time later he got a knife and followed her around the house with it as she carried out household tasks. He stood guard to ensure she didn’t push her domestic violence button and at one stage cornered her in the kitchen with the knife to her head and punched her. At 1.45am, Whata threw her through the open ranch slider and then held her down on the ground, before closing the door and curtains. While on top of her, he put his hand inside her mouth and pried apart her jaw with downward pressure for about 10 seconds. She begged him to stop and tried to push him off but he continued similar attacks for two more hours. Some time later in the morning she said she needed to use the toilet, where she pressed her panic button and alerted emergency services. St John paramedics discovered she’d suffered a broken jaw due to visible jaw drop, and had multiple cuts and swelling to her face.
We'll never know how maori culture would have continued to blossom without colonialization 😣
We don't actually know that the culture would have blossomed at all. Most cultures go backwards, and others go extinct. Consider the Aztecs, the Capsian culture, or the inhabitants of Easter Island.
Still, it would have been far better to find a genuine alternative to Western culture.
@@tonycatman”a genuine alternative to western culture”? What on earth does that even mean?
Kia Ora e hoa ma. Am sure many tangata whenua from their own whenua continue to look to Maori for mana and encouragement to help them stand up for whenua,iwi, moana rights. Thankfully and hopefully to help trace their ancestry back to Aperehama in the OT.
nah bro that aperehama of the ot is the white fella's atua
@@eeeaten Which aperehama is the hori fella's atua?
sooo good ...pai tēnā
Thanks Brendan!
ok, while I acknowledge that this video is an improvement from previous ones, there're some mis-facts in your presentation which are as follows:
1. The term "Maori" was yet another convenient mechanism to unify the tribes in order to make dividing and conquering easier, because you cannot divide and conquer those who are already independent bodies.
2. "colonisation" in its legal context & general meaning is to be 'sent' from a 'political power' and remain subject to the mother-country, whereas the waves of migratory waka had no duty or obligation to any such aforesaid body in their former homeland, thus the word "colonisation" is not apt and does not technically apply.
3. Oral histories speak of much earlier migratory waves than 1200 AD, furthermore, the NZ Government know this & even use an ancient explorer's marker from circa 650 AD to stake NZ's claim over the Ross Dependency in Antarctica. NOTE: Old Imperial & Ecclesiastical powers based their legal claims to land on certain Papal Bulls that were active from the year 1189 & cannot lawfully make a claim to land evidenced as being settled by pagans before that date -- see: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_immemorial
4. References to Ngai Tahu @4:09 and/or southern tribes relying entirely on hunting & fishing instead of plantations is not fact. Southern tribes were trading pounamu with Northern tribes for obsidian from Tuhua (aka Mayor Island, scoria rock) & other items & resources, of which many of these items were found in various spots in the South. Further to that, Southern tribes designed their own unique system of growing kumara in between rows of volcanic rock sourced from the north, & in 1642 at the arrival of Tasman it is now known that vege plantations were evident. So these tribes were NOT "relying entirely" on hunting & fishing.
5. @4:48 the term "sub-tribe" is a mis-description of a western' concept of the native structure, whereas the term 'hapu' is first, then secondly the 'whanau', then the 'iwi'.
6. @6:33 "when these food sources ran out, they simply moved on." - who writes this shit?!
NOTE: I only got halfway thru the vid & may watch the rest at an other time.
Hi there. Thanks for paying such close attention. We're confident those things you're questioning are correct and certainly not 'misfacts'. For example, the use of the word 'colonisation' in terms of Maori social eras is what's used by the most reputable anthropologists at this time and the first arrival date of Polynesians in the late 1200s-early 1300s i certainly the consensus view of most historians currently. One of the historians advising this projects is Mike Stevens, who's an expert in Kai Tahu history, so we're confident in our stories involving that iwi.
Barely mis-facts - you're being pedantic over a 20 min educational video.
1. What's your point? The term Māori and māori was accurately described and it was also explained that "Māori" didn't refer to themselves that way.
2. Colonization comes from the word colony, or Latin "Colonus" which meant to settle, farm and cultivate. The term colonization also refers to the spread of one population to another area whilst maintaining links to the original population - which the earliest Polynesian settlers did.
3. Oral histories refer to earlier exploration which is different from settlement.
4. What are you on about? The point was being made that Southern iwi tended towards migration over farming compared to Northern iwi and Te Tauihu. It's a generalization, it's not meant to be an all encompassing statement.
5. This is the challenge with translation, it's a 20 minute video, not a PhD thesis. Just like how we understand what whānau means even though we can't translate it effectively.
6. This is a characterization. You're just being pedantic to be pedantic.
Make your own 20 hour video if this one is so bad
@Damon Manda Did the food even run out???
@@TheAotearoaHistoryShow Thank you for the reply. To the point on the word "colonisation"; whoever you're relying on would do well to seek specificity on the actual legal definition thereof, as it technically does not apply & validity can be easily found in any law dictionary. Dr Mike's propositions, and indeed anyone else's, are always subject to critique, as he's not the only learned adept on an island populated by numerous iwi other than just Kai Tahu - so again, I reassert the points raised hereinabove. Dr Mike would also be familiar with the works of Ian Barber of the Otago Department of Anthropology & Archaeology who evinces the presence of planting pits throughout the South, further supporting Point 4.
@Damon Manda The point is they were hunting and gathering at that time, not planting crops or settling in one place. But that changed later. It's showing the evolution of the society.
Cool video but it misses a lot of mātauranga that is a big part of māori history like the migration from our home in Hawaiki. Why did we come to Āotearoa? How we already discovered Āotearoa before we named it that, and have been going back and fourth NZ and Hawaiki untill the late 15th century. Or how we decend from the Lapita family, and melanesia. How our cultural beliefs and systems evolved from te Kāpu in Hawaiki to what it is now. Or how māori interacted with the real ideginous people of Āotearoa named the Hāmata Tribe, later the term "Moriori" was popularized. Or the Urukehu māori thats genetic traits connect to ngā patupaiarehe. How our people accurately navigated the seas. And were extremely civilised. These are the founding truths that make māori history and future. The people and culture and built on everything i just mentioned.
that stuff about pre-maori peoples has been shown to be mythical. there were no people in aotearoa before the eastern polynesian ancestors of maori began arriving from around 1250AD. those stories are about mythical peoples and also probably a result of the fact that eastern polynesians did not all arrive at one time. obviously later arrivals found people already here. but those earlier people were also maori, or rather eastern polynesian.
@eeeaten Not only New Zealand but every island in the pacific. Has history of their ancestors arriving to their island and people were already there.....Tonga,Hawaii,Tahiti,Samoa,Aotearoa so why do you not acknowledge their accounts of their history.
@@ecnegilletni3537 some of these myths were picked up or brought to these islands from elsewhere, that's how storytelling works. there's no evidence for people in polynesia before the lapita ancestors of polynesians, there's no evidence of people in hawaii, tahiti, rapa nui or new zealand before polynesians arrived there. polynesians are the first people of polynesia.
@eeeaten if the entire pacific ocean is saying the same thing then there's definitely truth in it. The people have nothing to gain by saying the islands were already inhabited so that gives more praise to it being truth. You believe maori came from Hawaiki yet there is no physical evidence or even verbal evidence of it's existence.
@@ecnegilletni3537 evidence says no.
10:46 hang on, they hunted these animals to extinction and then decided to have bans on hunting - seems legit 😂
What’s weird about that? When an animal disappears wouldn’t you then start thinking about conservation of those that remain?
Besides Portuguese and Netherlands
Bet you didn't know used sea shells to cut and scrap
I dont think they where as basic as this story. There boats where good enuf they used them for exploring the world, when they found a country, they stayed there long enough to know its food sources where good enuf to tell the missus, then went back and picked her up, with the kids, then talked her into taking them back without getting lost...
do they say something about the boats in this video? i guess they're shown as much simpler than they were. they were much bigger than shown, and could cross the pacific ocean. didn't g around the world tho.
@@eeeaten i just thought, history can't be based of one story. Now I see there are series's on the channel.
I think they are really great how they can deliver much historical research.
All from Tonga Lapita Origin Settlement 😊
What is tupaea's culture called, where he's from. If artifacts are in the museum, does that mean the maori people are extinct
He was Tahitian.
People comment about which coloniser would have been the evil better. Maori would have lost whichever foreign imperialist invaded but to what degree. And that Maori should be grateful the British arrived to save the savages. There's the benevolent BS 😂😆🤣
@@samdetroper9118 Yes the might of the British Empire. Yet, they didn't honour their treaty obligations. They who speak with fork tongue. They signed the bank cheque. Be accountable and honour it. For Maori, the cheque bounced.
@tekootitomanderson859 lol the cheque was blank and maori wrote in "everything"
And it been cashed in every generation since.
@@mjanny6330 Correct. Read Article 2 of the Treaty. Article 2 was the insurance policy (guaranteed Maori their resources or assets) if the Crown reneged. Yeah, and renege they did.
lol recalling your descendants isnt quite the same as private property right / legal title
cultural ignorance
Private property right and legal title?
Sounds about white.
@damnnative3188 sounds about Assyrian actually lol.
Nice try though.
I would live to know how our ancestors survived the winters 🥶 and what type of clothing they wore. Did Moa become extinct so fast due Maori killing them for food and clothing from the skins.
Moa lives matter.
They basically wore piu piu with no underpants both men and women used to wear nothing in there top half, missionaries made the women cover their boobs. Some of the folk with a bit of mana would have dogskined cloaks that they wore over their shoulders and some tribes wore reeds over their shoulders as well. Maori also used to lavish their bodies in thick whale oil this helped keep them warm. They survived the winters with Fires burning all the time in the villages also their Whares were built low to the ground so you couldnt stand up and walk around in them . they did this tohelp keep the warmth inside as they did not have to heat up a large spacious room.
Seal skins.
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A point to be made is during that time Tribes were known as ''Hapu'' and not ''iwi'' or [ bones ].
At the start of the 21st century the Pakeha came up with the idea of ''iwi'' or [ bones ] a name for all the Maori tribes.
Maori Kuia did not like ''iwi'' and quote, ''It was the Pakeha idea ''iwi'' ''iwi'' are bones and bones you will find in a cemetery, bones are dead.''
Maori Kuia objected to ''iwi'' and did not like the Pakeha idea at all.
Maori Kuia said, ''we are Hapu.''
Protected in Article three of ''The Treaty of Waitangi 1840.''
Nga mihi
Pomarie
23:17 civilisation 😅you would still be wearing native attire
Therefore not indigenous.
You forgot to mention why Cook’s men shot the Maori.
The Maori went for Cook’s sword.
And you never touch a white man’s sword 🗡️
None of that is true
Tangatawhenua were here before the waka arrived
they also arrived on waka, from eastern polynesia. there were no earlier people.
The first waka was captain by Kupe he told his people their were people here.Rarotonga.@eeeaten we know where we are from.Again New Zealanders trying to tell our history.You know where you came from.Don,t worry I won't try and tell you where you're from.
We at Malay Archipelago....also fight back British/Holland Colonial....
Google & read Fidelio from page 16 onwards it talks about Malaysian among other races in Polynesia.
Did Cooks men just open fire for no reason?
They thought they were being threatened. They fired warning shots but Māori didn’t know what the sounds were. They then shot a person, Te Maro. The record suggests Te Maro was about to throw a spear, but we can’t know whether he was actually attacking or issuing a challenge. The British didn’t want to shoot, they were afraid, but at the same time they were the invaders.
@@eeeatenCook was here to explore, try putting yourself in his shoes. A Haka’s meaning wasn’t known.
@@JeffCampbell2016 did you disagree with something I said?
@@JeffCampbell2016id imagine walkig onto someones property, firing warning shots at them when theyre screaming at me would be a bad idea😅.
some of your wording are incorrect.
vague criticism is worthless
@@eeeaten dido.
@@koradkw2981 the ancient greek or the english singer?
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@@eeeaten lmao
Maori have the right to self determination
Quite a history about the Maori - put the Inca's or the Aztecs to shame in degeneration. Outcast during the 13th century as weaker primitive Neolithic people by the invading Hawaiians & Tongans (Maori were from the original wave of primitive Asian/Melanesians pushed right out across the Eastern Pacific by successive stronger more advanced races coming from the west). They were outcast on rafts and some floated up in NZ stranded for 500 years. The weaker were pushed down to the South Island or Chathams etc. So the South Island Maori (had their own language) were the weakest of the weak. They were captured and eaten as 'Slave flesh' by the northern Maori doing raids. (Well they all ate each other - 80% of Maori pre European were dark skinned easily fattened slaves farmed and eaten by a lighter skinned 'Ariki' thin wiry elite royal caste). So it was with some righteousness as well as British cunning that they armed the southern Maori who then with muskets launched a genocidal war on the north.. That plus measles & flu halved the Maori population and removed most of the elite. The British then liberated the slaves and outlawed cannibalism. The northern Maori fought with the British against the south bad west Maori 'rebels'. The Maori sued for peace and a treaty was signed that removed all sovereignty and made them subjects to the English crown where the English would protect them from each other. Land could only be sold to or via the Crown. Maori could live on their reservations with native custom but none did. The treaty of Waitangi is strikingly clear in that the Maori cede sovereignty completely and become citizens of Great Britain - all 3 clauses lock that in. Nothing in today's 'Maori' culture is authentic. The music - all European (Maoris did not have tonal music, the songs are missionary tunes or introduced - Poi dance is from Islands and Stick dance from old Malaya. The carvings and art - all European - Arabesques that was the fashion at the time. Original Maori had limited dash carving and no painting of objects. No written language - all the syntax & grammar plus vowel inflection is European. No technology - some lagoon canoes and wood or stone Neolithic tools. No food sources - like pigs or crops - they left that all behind, all they had was a weak inbred fox (now extinct), some rats and a weak dismal pacific yam. They ate out all the bird-life, didn't know how to farm the sea as were island people and so they turned to societal cannibalism. Today - no full blood or half blood left. No genuine tradition and almost all are offspring of Maori slave females sold to white settlers for muskets or food. -So more fake than the 'Sioux' or 'Cherokee' or 'Crow' who had at least retained some genuineness about who they were and their history. -Everything you 'saw or experienced' is Fake. A totally convected disneyfied tokenistic set of inventions fueled by a grievance culture of mixed-race imposters fetishing a false past bad history because it pays benefits.
'This Horrid Practice' - Professor Paul Moon, "A Savage Country" Professor Paul Moon 'Behind The Tattooed Face' - Heretaunga Pat Baker, 'Anthropology In The South Seas' - H D Skinner
Misinformation. miss interpretations of various writers and misunderstandings of Māori history, and IDIOTS like jesus who portray their false perverted NARCISSISTIC DICKHEAD narratives.
1st ERROR, Māori have a ancestry back to the Aztecs.
2nd ERROR Māori did not float up in NZ stranded for 500 years, as he candidly states, what a load of BS - Māori travelled back and forth for generations between the Polynesian Islands from whence they came and back to NZ.
3rd ERROR Māori actually stopped off and lived with the Hawaiians, Tongans, Tahitians, Samoans and a number of other island, most of these islands have markers/plagues or monuments that mark the Māoris jump off point, i.e., departure points from these islands. fancy that!!!
4th ERROR, In all of my research never have i heard of light skinned 'Ariki' thin wiry elite royal caste) Māori.
5th ERROR Māori did not appear on the Chatham Islands until around the 1830s or shortly thereafter, as the Moriori were already living there. One reason Māori turned up on the Chatham's was due to colonization, where the British Soldiers stole their land by displacing Māori off their land and chased/forced Māori from the North Island to flee to the South Island and than flee to the Chatham Islands.
6th ERROR I have never heard of the following - ''So it was with some righteousness as well as British cunning that they armed the southern Maori who then with muskets launched a genocidal war on the north''. This is the first time I'm hearing that the south island maori were armed by the British to go to war with the north island Māori.
7th ERROR to say ''measles & flu halved the Māori population and removed most of the elite.'' Removed most of the elite is pure fallacy.
8th ERROR The Māori DID NOT sued for peace and a treaty was signed. Te Tiriti o Waitangi written in Te Reo is a complicated document to understand. But sue for peace No we did not. Another fallacy.
9th ERROR The treaty DID NOT removed all sovereignty and make Māori subjects to the English crown where the English would protect them from each other. Again he does not have a grasp and FULL IN-DEPTH understanding of Te Tiriti o Waitangi.
I'll go one further as little is known of this FACT which only goes to further complicate misunderstandings. By the signing of Te Tiriti NZ was annexed to New South Wales on behalf of the British Monarchy, but NSW was not at the time part of the British territories.
10th ERROR he says ''Today - No genuine tradition and almost all are offspring of Māori slave females sold to white settlers for muskets or food. -So more fake than the 'Sioux' or 'Cherokee' or 'Crow''' ALMOST ALL Māori come from female slaves'' is the ULTIMATE INSULT. this ass hole dares to insult my race with fake information.
Need I continue to point out ALL of the other ERRORS in his comments.
Obviously you know nothing of Maori.
Are you available to discuss further regarding the Ali'i lines. I'm aware the term generally means chief or Master in most Polynesian languages.
Ari'i- Tahiti
Ali'i - Samoa and Hawaii
Eiki- Tonga
Ari'i- NZ
I know Tahitians and Samoans subsequently brought the Ali'i system to Hawaii overthrowing the earlier Polynesian groups already there.
Would you say these are all the same lines?
@@BarHawa Yes the Maori Ariki were the original royals until the society broke down due to a desperate shortage of protein. The Ariki then evolved into the cannibalistic ruling class.
Now where have I seen this comment before just recently?
Oh yes, on Sean Plunkets The Platform series with Michael Laws...an exact "cut and paste" comment...I can't believe how old this circulated comment is still making the rounds...😂
So we eat all the seal did we ?
who is we?
I prefer whale.😅
I'm sure alot of our people's whakapapa outdate this story
Sure, but whakapapa does not show location. It’s quite possible whakapapa goes back to hawaiki.
Only 500 years before Europeans arrived wow that’s not long at all
There's buildings older then that in Europe.
Really puts it into perspective.
The only way a Maori language can be changed is if another People have invaded, the British invade and tried to change our language, so
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2:42 The word Maori does not mean ordinary. The origin of this word goes back to Western Polynesia. Starts from Samoa Maoí, then when they travel east to Tahiti becomes Maohi, north to Hawaii Maoli, Cook Island Maori and finally Aotearoa Maori. The word means indigenous.
so wai maori is "indigenous water"? i think you're being unnecessarily offended by the word "ordinary". in reo maori "maori" doesn't mean plain as in unremarkable or boring, it means normal and natural.
@@eeeaten an appreciation of Polynesian etymology goes a long way in understanding, that Maori does not mean ordinary. Whakawhetai.
@@manuhamoa it does in aotearoa.
@@eeeaten with respect, whether you are Tangata Whenua or Pakeha, even a mixture, an understanding of Te Reo would go a long way. Ma=pure, o=of, ri=Pleiades, hardly plain, ordinary or normal. Te reo tikanga should be embraced, embracing its' origins and its' deep meanings shouldn't be overlooked. While you're at it, look at why is Tokerau North and Tonga South? Mull it over. Whakawhetai.
@@manuhamoa with respect, nope.
Stone age level cannibals whom had never seen a wheel before Europeans arrived.
lol what do you you think european society was like back then?
@@eeeaten Europeans had wheels when Abel Tasman encountered the Maori. The Maori were still eating each other 👍🏻😆
@@rfarrr2817 funny then how life expectancy was about the same in both places
Europeans were impoverished barbarians who had never seen an aqueduct before the Romans arrived.
"They became slow breeders to avoid overpopulation." Wow, those are some clever animals!
hi
The narrative polynesians arrived in Nz around 1300 AD is a rough estimate. Particularly based on archeology reports the earliest evidence of human occupation is around that period. Not arrival at best they would estimate life span of the bones prior to death and estimate arrival that way. So in conclusion maori arrival is alot of estimates. You said when cook arrived the people occupying Aotearoa at the time didn't identify as maori. So alot of customs and cultures origions and histories of these people were considered a collective but we know this isn't the case at all. They have tribes and people in Nz claiming origin as far as easter island. And all over the entire pacific. All of these people didn't arrive in Nz by accident so obviously the polynesian ancestors had knowledge of Nz long before 1300AD.
there is no evidence of people in new zealand before the thirteenth century AD. over 500 sites around the country have been carbon-dated, and the oldest of them shows the first evidence of humans in nz as between 1250AD and 1275AD. yes, maori did not see themselves as "maori" until after europeans arrived - they saw each different group or iwi as different people. genetic analysis shows maori ancestry is eastern polynesian, all from the triangle of rarotonga, tahiti and the society islands. not the entire pacific.
A flotilla of ships set sail from Egypt around 232B.C., during the reign of Ptolemy III, on a mission to circumnavigate the globe. The six ships sailed under the direction of Captain Rata and Navigator Maui, a friend of the astronomer Eratosthenes, who was head of the Alexandria library. The commander and navigator knew from Eratosthenes that the circumference of the earth was....
They departed Alexandria made land somewhere on West Papua, McCluer Bay Iran, Java, then sailed on to NZ landing first in the South Island at Bruce Bay. Then circumnavigated NZ for three months before moving on to Rarotonga, then Tahiti, then to Hawaii, then to San Miguel, then sailed 4000 miles south along the coastline to San Fernando, Santiago, Chile, looking for a passage east. Realizing their passage east had been foiled by the massive land mass of Island the Americas he sailed back to Pitcairn Island, then to Tahiti and then to Tonga, deciding to stay in Polynesia rather then returning to face the music in Alexandria. So began the legend of Maui.
Maui made a name for himself in Tonga where there is a massive stone called Ha'amonga 'a Maui (Burden of Maui).
A cave in North West New Guinea ''Irian Jaya'' called the ''caves of the navigators'' where Barry Fell deciphered images that told of Maui's visit. Clearly showing Maui passed through the Islands of Eastern Indonesia provisioning his ships & the home to the Indonesian rice paddy rat. or Kiore the ''Polynesian rat''.
Research Fidelio & Barry Fell - he lived in Wellington for a while before being headhunted by an American university.
Look up the Boyd massacre
I’m not Māori I’m Ngati Kahungunu
i'm not a mammal i'm a human. ??
@@eeeaten your a human bean
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@@sheldonhkrw top shelf intellect here folks
Saying mapri moved on when resources were out is prof they are referring to white history. Maua went arund the woeld 3 times
there's no evidence of maui going around the world, what you have there is a myth.
What rubbish.......can guess who wrote, directed that.........not helpful for new zealand
did you disagree with something in the video?
She looks Latina not maori