Been tossing out imperialist nations for generations. Kinda why they don't hate the US now. They just see them as a long line of people who tried to take over like China & France.
The reason the Encampment isn't getting those benefit yields from the terrain is because it doesn't count as a specialty district (Edit: I mean the Thành specifically doesn't count as a specialty district)
And due to this it also is able to be built off of those features. "All land specialty districts can only be built on ..." "...and is not a specialty district"
I'm actually insanely excited for some early domination shenanigans with her - half cost encampment that doesn't eat a district slot + fast early culture = fun dom times. I'm thinking early dom into culture will actually be very, very viable - and what I plan on doing quite a bit haha.
9:13 Here we can see that the campus is receiving the extra science from adjacent rainforest under the districts 9:34 Here we can see that the builder can move through two hills, so the bonus movement applies to civilian units.
@@puppythoughts6528 Look at the top bar in the screen (where science, faith, culture output are), this bar are a dark blue color, but during golden ages, it becomes a golden color.
"based on guerrilla tactics" When a soldier first sees an elephant "Oh, dear God. How can we hope to fight such a monster? It is a work of tactical GENIUS!"
Well, you see an elephant, you don't think much but to keep your distance. But that works for the person discretely riding the elephant who then starts to snipe your forces.
Vietnam history is full of getting invaded, live under occupation & fight for independent ... then repeat. From almost every Chinese Dynasty, 3 time getting visited by Mongol to the French came & stay for hundred years (but Japan did stole there place for a short time), then American bombed half of the country, Pol Pot when crazy in the south-west boder and China like it, then attack the northern boder.
I’m pretty sure extra yields are based on tile the district is on rather than the district itself. Marsh gives production, rainforest gives science, and forest give culture
@@PotatoMcWhiskey spot on potato man, just didn’t want it to be lost in the comments and I wasn’t sure the leader screen said exactly how it worked. Not surprised you covered it though 👍
"This is the turtles dream civization." *Looks at the civ's turtle icon... Also if you check out that burning district you can see the tile popup, it says burning rainforest... so I'd say terrain is maintained. It's funny I see your reaction video before the actual trailer...
Potato: " MEDIEVAL faires is in the Late renaissance." Also the forest and marshes thing only applies to specialty districts and the Thành is classed as a non-specialty district, which raises the question can one city build multiple copies of a thành?
Prob not, if its you could just mass build it to fill between any district. The fact encampment can be build cheaper with card and not require pop are strong enough
The Thanh is a non-specialty district, which is why it can be placed anywhere. Super interested to see how this is used in the future, reminds me of Germany’s ability to get an extra district slot
Thats not true. The Thanh is a unique District of a special district and because of this has the same restrictions. The developers just removed some of the restrictions, but it is still a special District, or else you could build multiple Thanh's and it would have a green Icon. Edit: Just read the Description. I'm now totally confused, because what does the developer mean with "doesn't count as speciality district". The only non-speciality districts are green and have no placement limits (except the aqueduct). Special Districts: provide a project, increase the city strength, provide great people points, cost population, are affected by district discount... Does this mean this isn't provided by the Thanh, or do they just remove their entire logic about special districts?
@@Grothgerek In the description for the Thành, it says that it does not count as a specialty district so the Nine Dragon River Delta ability does not apply (so there is no placement restriction, nor bonuses from features for buildings). Also note that there is already a non specialty district, the aqueduct, which you can only build once per city.
Hey potato - looks like the building yields depends on the terrain you’re adding the district to rather than the district, marsh for production, rainforest for science and woods for culture. Thanks for all the great work!
Imagine deciding that you're going to play a Domination game, and then you spawn next to Gaul and Vietnam. That would really break your will to continue
11:22 I think it's because the Thanh description goes out of the way to say that it is *not* a Specialty District, probably to clarify that Nine Dragon River Delta shouldn't affect it.
The Thani isn't a specialty district so it doesn't have the woods/rainforest/marsh restriction. That is why they were able to build it on an open tile.
Waiting for this as soon as I saw the trailer. I got the notification 4 seconds after refreshing your channel page XD This civ is going to be an enormous appeal powerhouse. I can't wait to play her with a heavy rainfall map!
Thanks for your interesting and insightful comments re potential gameplay on all your first impression videos. They really want me to check out each civ in question.
Was hoping for Ho Chi Minh as the leader, but I like that the Civ team looked towards another part of Vietnamese history for the leader. Either way I'm excited to play as this Civ!
It took me a while to really appreciate this game but now that I have the hundreds of hours of playtime required to develop nuanced strategies, I'm on the edge of my freakin' chair about these new civs. Honestly this is the best game I've ever played. Also I was convinced Vietnam was going to be lead by Ho Chi Minh! Can't wait for the 28th.
For anyone who cannot understand Vietnamese just need to remember those: "Bà Triệu" (226 - 248 AD): Lady Triệu ("Bà" means Lady when you're greeting a woman or a way to call women who are way older than you) "Thành": City "Voi Chiến": Battle Elephants For Bà Triệu's unique quotes, here's the full version for you: "I would like to ride the storms, walk the waves, slay the orcas in the Eastern Sea, liberate our country, undo the ties of serfdom, rather than bowing myself to be the concubine of whatever man." Legends said she was 9 feet tall and was able to subdue the monstrous one-tusk white elephant at the mountain near her village, this elephant later became her mount. She was told to have a "voice like a temple bell", to eat many rice pecks, and walked 500 leagues every day with her beauty that could shake any man's soul. Every time she attacked, she rode the one-tusked white elephant, with her golden armor, charged the enemies, and terror them. She killed her sister-in-law for betraying her by foiling the plan of rebellion. In 248, Bà Triệu and her elder brother, Triệu Quốc Đạt launched a rebellion at Cửu Chân (Jiuzhen) commandery (Thanh Hoá province nowadays) against the Wu Chinese (Three Kingdoms in China), they quickly took the city but Triệu Quốc Đạt died during the attack (either being killed in battle or died of disease). Later she led her man to capture the Giao Chỉ (Jiaozhi) commandery (Hanoi) and became the empress. But the Wu sent Lu Yin and 6000 men to suppress the rebellion, he used both bribery and attacking supplies to cripple Bà Triệu's army. She and her army were pushed and surrounded in Tùng mountain (Thanh Hoá), where she decided to suicide in 248.
Great analysis. I have a few additional thoughts: 1.)as others seem to have noted, it's probable that the encampment buildings probably aren't getting the bonus because specialty districts are those that require a district slot from population, so encampments are specialty districts and thanhs are not. Another possibility could be that districts that do not receive adjacency bonuses (encampments and entertainments) don't get the bonus. 2.)I think they're one of the most spawn-reliant civs in the game because, while you can plant woods quite a bit earlier, that is still the late renaissance, and a LOT of the game has been decided by that point. If you can't get the core districts that you use before that point in the game, you're in trouble. 3.)one last negative - so specialty districts require being placed on one of those features - what if a volcano removes the feature that the district is on? The example they show is a forest fire, which doesn't remove the rainforest or woods - it transitions from burning woods to burnt woods and then back to woods. Volcanoes remove the feature entirely. So, does it remove the district as well? One would hope that you just lose the bonuses to buildings. 4.)Now for the positives, having encampments not counting against the district pop cap means there's no reason not to spam them out in every city(thereby increasing other districts adjacency while giving itself gobs of culture), which also means you'll have obscene amounts of great generals, and if you combine the combat and, especially the movement bonus of the generals in addition to the civ ability, her army can absolutely put Simon Bolivar to shame. 5.) for secret societies, having districts not remove the feature underneath them should mean that vampire castles should get not only the adjacency of the six districts surrounding it but the food and production base yields of these tiles as well, which makes them some of the best castles in the game (for example, the adjacency bonus of 2campuses, 2 industrial zones, and 2 holy sites in addition to 12 food and 12 production.)
The bonus from district buildings is related to what feature they are built on, not what the district is. So all district buildings built on woods will always give additional culture, whether the district is a campus, theatre square, etc. Really excited for this civ!
I'm tempted to do a playthrough of rainforest or wetland civs. Vietnam, Brazil, Maya, Aztec, Kongo, India(I like Chandragupta), and Indonesia would be an interesting mix.
I just realized that the forest fire screenshot we had from Firaxis when the Maya & Gran Colombia Pack was announced was Vietnam, because their districts are on fire and you can see woods popping out underneath their commercial hub.
The yield types for buildings are not based on the district but on the terrain the district is on. the commercial hub is on marsh so it gets production, but a theater square on marsh would also get production
The Thanh can be built anywhere according to the text description : the placement requirement applies to specialty districts but the Thanh is said to not be a specialty district.
To be fair, Earth Goddess with ANYONE is gong to be insane now with the new preserve district. Vietnam will absolutely take it up another notch though.
@PotatoMcWhiskey It would seem the Thanh can be built on any tile because it is not a specialty district. The Nine River Dragon Delta trait specifies that only specialty districts require forest, rainforest or marsh. That would then explain why it didn't have the tile bonus in this video.
Hey @Potato, I think Vietnam is more suited for a science or militaristic victory backed by culture, like Gaul. Here is why: 1) They will need to prioritize campuses in order to survive to technically advanced AI units that may easily overcome the +10 combat bonus from Vietnam on the defense. Their only science bonus comes from placing districts in rainforest tiles, earning +1 science for each additional building. 2) This bonus does not scale well deeper into the game: a fully developed district in a rainforest tile would only generate +3 extra science per building (This could be balanced by increasing these yields when the buildings are fully powered, for example). Also, the player would achieve the full +3 yield bonuses per district very late into the game, with a high production cost. So Vietnam should prioritize industrial zones as well. 3) As the Theater Squares become their 3rd district priority, they can rely on their cheap Thành to generate Tourism later into the game. That’s how I could see a Culture victory being viable to them, but they would require very careful district placement so I think they are more inclined for a science/dom type. PS.: Big F for river flooded cities, island cities, desert cities and cities with active volcanoes
The Thành is not a specialty district, so it's not subject to the Nine Dragon River Delta feature. For that reason, it 1- Can be built in a clear tile and; 2- it's buildings doesn't get the bonus from said feature. At the same time, aparently, the districts don't remove the feature they are built upon, so, as mentioned in the video, that's the reason for the Campus district getting +3 adjacency (+2 from rainforest, from a total of 5, and +1 from 2 adjacent districts, industrial zone and theater square).
Pretty sure the extra yields you saw with the buildings are from the terrain type under the district. For example, the reason the Shrine got the extra culture is because the video showed them placing the Holy Site on a Woods tile.
The district bonus is based on what you put your district on. If you put a commercial district on rainforest you would get +1 science. If on woods +1 culture, marsh +1 production
It looks like districts maintain their terrain features with Viernam, which is really cool. Now those "+1 adjacency for every 2 districts" and "+1 adjacency for every 2 forests(Holy Site)/Rainforests(Science)" can be combined to easily get high adjacency for Holy sites and Science districts.
@@neonwhitea.1548 the only issue is their city viability is dependent on the terrain. For example, Mali is a hard counter to Vietnam if their capital is surrounded by desert. Eventually Vietnam would take the city, but it would be absolutely useless and have almost zero yields However, that’s really the only civ Vietnam would have issues with. I think they’re more suited for a culture or science victory than domination specifically because of the yields the dummy cheap encampment provides
Imagine how many different yields a Holy Site could get now, you could combo Work Ethic for Production, the one Great Scientist that grants Science for adjacency, use a Gurdwara for Food, and then place it on Woods for Culture.
@potatomcwhiskey the description says that specialty districts can only be placed on woods rainforests and marshes. Thanh description says that it is not a specialty district. so no you do not need to build it on forest/marsh/rainforest in fact if you do you just destroy the feature without getting any benefit. Also from the wording of the nine dragon river delta thing yes you do preserve the original feature underneath the district which means rainforests will be super good for that double adjacency if you got a bunch of them next to eachother since you can get both district adjacency and rainforest adjacency at the same time on top of the extra science for the district. Id say in a jungle region of a map this civ can outscience korea easily even in the earlygame.
I wonder if you get the yield bonuses for each building bulit in your city center if you settle on woods, rainforest, or marsh. That would mean you could potentially pump out +2 culture monuments at the start of the game, or +1 production +2 food granaries, which would make it a better version of the water mill.
Nine Dragon River Delta affects speciality districts, but the Thanhi isnt a specialty district. I wonder if that means you can build more than 1 per city.
Facts: actually "Nine Dragon River Delta" is the name of a delta in Southern Vietnam, but in Bà Triệu's time, Vietnamese hadn't expand to the south yet xD
And then those bombards have to move past a dozen woodlands tiles, specially planted by Vietnam, and full of +10 combat boosted units, in order to reach the city walls. The bombards will be torn to shreds before they can even land one hit on the wall!
@@cometmoon4485 Not to mention they can build half-cost encampment. So when war is declared, either you move all of your armies through all the forests into their borders and quickly take the city, or you are up against city wall and encampment with UU shooting.
The special encampment is mentioned to not be counted as a specialty district. So it doens't need to population and it doesn't need to be build on a feature, but it also misses out the feature bonus.
Regarding the Thanh placement in the demo vid... The Thanh is specified, in addition to not requiring population thresholds, to not be a Specialty District. This is important, because the Nine Dragon River Delta ability specifies that it is Specialty Districts that receive the bonus yields to their buildings. That's why the Thanh in the demo video is not getting any bonus yields from it's buildings. The ability doesn't apply to it. But that's also why the Thanh can be placed there. It is also exempt from the Marsh/Jungle/Forest requirement for Specialty District placement.... Because it is not a Specialty District. This may have ramifications for Adjacency Bonuses, depending on whether the bonus requires a Specialty District (Theatre, Commerce, etc) or just a District (GovPlaza, DilpoQuarter, Aqueduct, etc).
The new preserve district is going to pair sooo well with Vietnam. Because you can build free encampments, you can use the extra district slot to build preserves, which you can superpower with your extra early forests.
I believe this civ can have enormous value from Holy site/culture: plenty of pantheons provide culture bonuses, and the three buildings for holy sites are quite fast to acquire, so you can get +3 culture holy sites that will always have some adjacency bonus with woods (which you can plant earlier). So, a mix of early-mid aggression to get a neighbour or potential culture civ out of the way, and cultural end game with an immunity to other domination civs is certainly going to be my idea:) Now the same applies to a campus built to get culture and grab at least 2 culture, who knows? Nice different civ
Saw someone say on Reddit that normally placing districts does remove features but Kongo's Mbanzas don't, and pre-Vietnam were the only districts that acted as such
The encampment didn't get bonuses since it wasn't built on woods/rainforest/marsh; only land specialty districts require the terrain requirement and the encampment replacement isn't considered a specialty district
There isn't a forest underneath the Encampment because I'm pretty sure that would give the Holy Site a +2 adjacency (two districts and two woods), not +1 (just the two districts)
Civ description of Tanh says it isn't a speciality district at the bottom. (Nine Dragon only applies to speciality districts.) So yes, it can be built on grass.
And I think the ability to build on these features doesn't remove the features, like the Mahabodhi temple. So Campus gets an entire +1 bonus for adjacent specialty districts that are built on a rainforest, which justify why there's a +3 campus on non-mountain regions.
I think Nine River Delta only applies to specialty districs, and the Than specificly mentions in it's text that it's not a specialty district. That also means that things like aquaducts ect will be less of a headache to plan.
With their description, it sounds like districts don't remove woods/marsh/wetlands. If so, the tiles could still burn and it would also mean district diamonds don't have to give up those adjacencies. Sounds legit.
The unit has a base movement of 4 and 5 with a forest and 6 in your own territory. 7 With a great general which you can get with the cheap encampments. Then get 4 of their crossbow men unit and just blitz an AI and return ALL Of to safety. Ludicrous.
i think the bonus yields on the district buildings are not based on the type of district, but the type of terrain it is on, thats why they placed 1 on each of the 3. so its likely culture from woods, production from marsh, and science from rainforest. EDIT: come on potato, medieval faires is a medieval era thing. i went and confirmed before i opened my mouth here. further in the video they drop a campus on woods, and it too gets culture int he buildings too. im pretty confident now that its tied to the terrain. ANOTHER EDIT: derp, it confirms it in the plain text of the ability ;D yeah the yields are based on the terrain under it. and you are correct that the terrain stays in place, they explained it in the video saying that they have to be extra careful because forest fires can really cripple them.
I can see Vietnam (bonuses for districts on marshes, forests, river) add in Ley Lines (which always seem to occur on flat land) and standard resource mines (silver and copper and my oh my) and you will have very powerful cities. Then the encampment replaced by the Thanh generating culture and tourism, wow. Add in the Voi Chen launching out of their territory and getting +10 combat and +2 movement on a surge attack to start an early war and they can easily crush early enemy AI, to grow rapidly to support Ley Line growth later. Amazing. Just another new OP civ that played right should always win. Still sounds fun though. lol
Just looking forward to playing this civ! Also, buying the frontier pass was a good idea for me - even though being made unemployed by the covid pandemic, my money was tight, it feels like I've gotten good value for the money. I've loved all the releases thus far.
Maybe the encampment for Vietnam is not considered a Specialty district since it doesn't require population? That would mean it's not subject to the River Delta ability and can be built anywhere but also that it doesn't get the same benefits if built on forest, rainforest or marsh
so the districts that require a terrain feature, namely the Congolese one, don't remove that feature and they still count as that feature for adjacency. So if you if build to of the unique neighborhoods on two rainforests, that's a total of +2 adjacency for a campus. Which could be a nice bonus for Vietnamese holy cites and campuses.
Then the dev gonna use his real-name as Nguyễn Tất Thành (the name Hồ Chí Minh he use when he got out of prison in Hong Kong and back to Việt Nam til now)
So it says on the ability description that specialty districts can only be placed on woods, rainforest, and marsh, and it says the Thanh does not count as a specialty district, so that's why it's on a plains tile.
I wonder if the Thanh not counting as a specialty district means researching it won't be factored into getting the 40% discount on districts mechanic. If it is factored in then the reduced cost and the fact that it doesn't require population means you could very easily spam these everywhere and thus more easily get the discount on your other districts.
I think you may have misunderstood the unique ability. The bonus science, culture and production are tied to what type of terrain the buildings are placed on. So from this, rainforest gives science, marsh gives production and forest gives culture...or maybe ive misunderstood it, in which case apologies for the false correction
Great synergy with religion if production bonus for marsh tiles stacks with the Lady of Reeds and Marshes pantheon! Also, Holy Sites would have extra faith from adjacent forests since building districts does not remove features! Same goes for campus/rainforest.
"This is going to be the turtle civ"
Yeah, no kidding, considering their icon is a turtle
It's a sacred animal for them, the Hoan Kiem turtle
Been tossing out imperialist nations for generations. Kinda why they don't hate the US now. They just see them as a long line of people who tried to take over like China & France.
Civ icon: Turtle
Religious icon: Turtle
Religion name: I like Turtles
Corporation and monopoly: Turtle
Combat strategy: Turteling
@@DrZaius3141
Fortunately it's not a crab, otherwise it could be banned by the Otomans.
th-cam.com/video/-WypvumBTY4/w-d-xo.html
Sea turtles are not real
The reason the Encampment isn't getting those benefit yields from the terrain is because it doesn't count as a specialty district (Edit: I mean the Thành specifically doesn't count as a specialty district)
And due to this it also is able to be built off of those features.
"All land specialty districts can only be built on ..."
"...and is not a specialty district"
Doesn't building an encampment counts towards the eureka of mathematics?
Which requires you to build 3 different specialty district.
@@edwardtan7283 The Encampment *is* a specialty district. The Thanh isn't.
@@edwardtan7283 An encampment is a specialty district but at 8:48 is said at the bottom that this isn't
@@edwardtan7283 Right, I should've been more clear - the unique encampment, the Thanh doesn't count as a specialty district
I'm actually insanely excited for some early domination shenanigans with her - half cost encampment that doesn't eat a district slot + fast early culture = fun dom times. I'm thinking early dom into culture will actually be very, very viable - and what I plan on doing quite a bit haha.
Yay two of my favorite civ6 youtubers!
There's the big man
Hey one of my favorite TH-camrs commenting on one of my other favorite TH-camrs videos!
@@kawa-imilliye7317 haha i'm so honored to be among this list
@@BeeferBoy heyo
I am the lorax. I speak for the trees. But for some odd reason, they’re speaking Vietnamese.
This meme is the sole reason why I'm so excited for this civ
Ironic that industries come in the same expansion
fortunate son intensifies
This is gold.
Shhhh....
2:16 Yes Potato, remebering to which era civic named *Medieval* Faires belongs is really difficult...
Just saw your comment on the original video, then got this alert.
Same
"undo the ties of serfdom"
potatomcwhiskey: plugs in serfdom
9:13 Here we can see that the campus is receiving the extra science from adjacent rainforest under the districts
9:34 Here we can see that the builder can move through two hills, so the bonus movement applies to civilian units.
But isn’t that a golden age? Maybe it’s one of the bonuses
@@puppythoughts6528 Look at the top bar in the screen (where science, faith, culture output are), this bar are a dark blue color, but during golden ages, it becomes a golden color.
Are you looking forward to fighting Vietnam?
I'm not, those defensive bonuses look insane, would much rather play them!
Culture
Sure
fortunate son
@@aaronlee6279 IT AINT ME
The turtle civ with turtle icon
Aye
I can see Teddy Roosevelt sweating already
And the french
Teddy Roosevelt got the preserve district for more appeal, so he's going to be getting 2 science and 2 culture from a lot more tiles now.
@@asozial1498 t h e f r e n c e
@@FlintandStone1 It’s called the Maginot line, actually
@@theshinygoldenemperor2422 god damn you
If Potato gets salty with AI crossbowmen, i would love to see his reaction to these unique units
"based on guerrilla tactics"
When a soldier first sees an elephant
"Oh, dear God. How can we hope to fight such a monster? It is a work of tactical GENIUS!"
As a Vietnamese I can confirm this
Well, you see an elephant, you don't think much but to keep your distance. But that works for the person discretely riding the elephant who then starts to snipe your forces.
9:48 for a second I thought that the Volchien had a base movement of 4 til I saw the great general and I was terrified
Fighting Vietnam is extremely accurate to history. “They’re in the trees!”
Also there is no accident that their logo is the turtle (tortoise)...
Napalm can be devastating
Vietnam history is full of getting invaded, live under occupation & fight for independent ... then repeat.
From almost every Chinese Dynasty, 3 time getting visited by Mongol to the French came & stay for hundred years (but Japan did stole there place for a short time), then American bombed half of the country, Pol Pot when crazy in the south-west boder and China like it, then attack the northern boder.
@@McOwnage hah,you'll regret..
new preserve district + early reforestation combo sounds pretty good
"might not be true for Vietnam" he says as his cursor showed that the district tile had "rainforest burning" on it :D
guess that the rainforest campus got Napalmed.
Don't let this distract you from the fact Potato didn't build the Venetian Arsenal.
Imagine, what if Vietnam Arsenal
But simultaneously, he doesn't regret building the venetian arsenal
@@joelmalec9904 Dear Lord! Does that spawn multiple forests to attack the enemy with?
I’m pretty sure extra yields are based on tile the district is on rather than the district itself. Marsh gives production, rainforest gives science, and forest give culture
Yeah he definitely missed that
I did not miss it, you commented before watching the entire video.
@@PotatoMcWhiskey spot on potato man, just didn’t want it to be lost in the comments and I wasn’t sure the leader screen said exactly how it worked. Not surprised you covered it though 👍
"This is the turtles dream civization."
*Looks at the civ's turtle icon...
Also if you check out that burning district you can see the tile popup, it says burning rainforest... so I'd say terrain is maintained. It's funny I see your reaction video before the actual trailer...
Potato: " MEDIEVAL faires is in the Late renaissance."
Also the forest and marshes thing only applies to specialty districts and the Thành is classed as a non-specialty district, which raises the question can one city build multiple copies of a thành?
Likley same rule as Aqueduct, probably still limit of 1.
Prob not, if its you could just mass build it to fill between any district. The fact encampment can be build cheaper with card and not require pop are strong enough
Highly unlikely, maybe like Rome’s unique district, non-specialty but one per city.
The Thanh is a non-specialty district, which is why it can be placed anywhere. Super interested to see how this is used in the future, reminds me of Germany’s ability to get an extra district slot
Thats not true.
The Thanh is a unique District of a special district and because of this has the same restrictions.
The developers just removed some of the restrictions, but it is still a special District, or else you could build multiple Thanh's and it would have a green Icon.
Edit: Just read the Description.
I'm now totally confused, because what does the developer mean with "doesn't count as speciality district". The only non-speciality districts are green and have no placement limits (except the aqueduct).
Special Districts: provide a project, increase the city strength, provide great people points, cost population, are affected by district discount...
Does this mean this isn't provided by the Thanh, or do they just remove their entire logic about special districts?
@@Grothgerek In the description for the Thành, it says that it does not count as a specialty district so the Nine Dragon River Delta ability does not apply (so there is no placement restriction, nor bonuses from features for buildings). Also note that there is already a non specialty district, the aqueduct, which you can only build once per city.
@@Grothgerek 4:40 has the description
@@Grothgerek Doesn't count as a specialty district just means you don't need population to build it.
@@PotatoMcWhiskey ahhhh i see
If woods etc don’t get erased by speciality districts, will the tiles around them have higher appeal? Some sort of hidden culture victory boost?
Exactly what I was thinking. You could still place National Parks next to wooded districts.
Currently that's how it works in the game. If you don't remove the feature it's still active, so it can be even used for adjacencies
they show that they are also affected by wildfire , getting pillaged, there's a downside
Marsh and rainforest lower appeal though, so it works both ways.
Hey potato - looks like the building yields depends on the terrain you’re adding the district to rather than the district, marsh for production, rainforest for science and woods for culture. Thanks for all the great work!
Shaun James Cook yes this was my understanding as well
He knows that, this is why you should watch the entire video before commenting.
Fair enough, only got the chance to watch half before having to do something else so thought it would be helpful - will refrain from that next time!!
@@shaunjamescook dont worry bro I did the same thing. also he doesn't correct himself just states it later so its good to have this to avoid confusion
-conquer new vietnamese city
-chop out all of the tile features for production
-sell completely denuded city back to them
amazing
Imagine deciding that you're going to play a Domination game, and then you spawn next to Gaul and Vietnam. That would really break your will to continue
@@SeekSeekLest Well aztecs kinda just win wars off spawn with eagle warrior spam
Gentlemen, ready your war weariness We are going to the Nam
Why do I hear Fortunate Son blasting in the background?
Alexander: "War...what?"
Do people know "Nam" in Vietnamese direction term, literally mean "South" ?
It also mean "boy", and a common name for boys too btw.
@@mr.bluefox3511 Rather appropriate, as Americans have a habit of warring with the south. Mexico and then the Confederacy.
11:22
I think it's because the Thanh description goes out of the way to say that it is *not* a Specialty District, probably to clarify that Nine Dragon River Delta shouldn't affect it.
I'm really hoping they do another pass on the older civs at the end of the frontier pass..
Some of the new stuff seems OP in comparison
They are going to do a balancing patch in April that affects 3/4 of all civs, so don't worry
@@chanchunon812 awesome news!
The Thani isn't a specialty district so it doesn't have the woods/rainforest/marsh restriction. That is why they were able to build it on an open tile.
Waiting for this as soon as I saw the trailer. I got the notification 4 seconds after refreshing your channel page XD
This civ is going to be an enormous appeal powerhouse. I can't wait to play her with a heavy rainfall map!
Thanks for your interesting and insightful comments re potential gameplay on all your first impression videos. They really want me to check out each civ in question.
I demand a benefit that says "if America civ declares war on you, automatically win and laugh at them"
When they were showing the damage/movement bonus when starting on a forest, the unit was in a district.
The Thanh also says it isn't a specialty district, so might be able to build multiple per city.
you mean "Thành", it's a bit silly because "Thành" means "Wall" in English. But i'm glad they add my country to the game!
@@Nguyen2-t9p Yea I know, my computer didn't want to do the accent on top. I originally forgot the first h as well. hence the edit.
Was hoping for Ho Chi Minh as the leader, but I like that the Civ team looked towards another part of Vietnamese history for the leader. Either way I'm excited to play as this Civ!
I'm pissed they didnt add in Mao and Stalin with this update
Trust me, its a safe move
It took me a while to really appreciate this game but now that I have the hundreds of hours of playtime required to develop nuanced strategies, I'm on the edge of my freakin' chair about these new civs. Honestly this is the best game I've ever played. Also I was convinced Vietnam was going to be lead by Ho Chi Minh! Can't wait for the 28th.
Am I the only one who thinks Lady Trieu is kind of cute?
no
go to horny jail suleiman
o - O
She’ll break you in half.
@@Life_Universe_Everything
That's the best part.
For anyone who cannot understand Vietnamese just need to remember those:
"Bà Triệu" (226 - 248 AD): Lady Triệu ("Bà" means Lady when you're greeting a woman or a way to call women who are way older than you)
"Thành": City
"Voi Chiến": Battle Elephants
For Bà Triệu's unique quotes, here's the full version for you: "I would like to ride the storms, walk the waves, slay the orcas in the Eastern Sea, liberate our country, undo the ties of serfdom, rather than bowing myself to be the concubine of whatever man."
Legends said she was 9 feet tall and was able to subdue the monstrous one-tusk white elephant at the mountain near her village, this elephant later became her mount. She was told to have a "voice like a temple bell", to eat many rice pecks, and walked 500 leagues every day with her beauty that could shake any man's soul. Every time she attacked, she rode the one-tusked white elephant, with her golden armor, charged the enemies, and terror them. She killed her sister-in-law for betraying her by foiling the plan of rebellion.
In 248, Bà Triệu and her elder brother, Triệu Quốc Đạt launched a rebellion at Cửu Chân (Jiuzhen) commandery (Thanh Hoá province nowadays) against the Wu Chinese (Three Kingdoms in China), they quickly took the city but Triệu Quốc Đạt died during the attack (either being killed in battle or died of disease). Later she led her man to capture the Giao Chỉ (Jiaozhi) commandery (Hanoi) and became the empress.
But the Wu sent Lu Yin and 6000 men to suppress the rebellion, he used both bribery and attacking supplies to cripple Bà Triệu's army. She and her army were pushed and surrounded in Tùng mountain (Thanh Hoá), where she decided to suicide in 248.
Damn. She is awesome. I feel honored to be able to play as her in Civ VI. I wonder if she ever did get to walk the sea and kill an orca?
@@samsonguy10k it's a way to express your spirit and your will. At least she was able to subdue an elephant and liberated 2 cities.
@@vudonghai2665 And she was remembered throughout the centuries to today. That says a lot as well.
@@samsonguy10k In Vietnam, from what I witness, anyone who had liberated the country, is remembered as the Hero. Trust me. It's true.
Only 1 minute and the first "speaking trees" joke popped out.
Where?
Xin lỗi,bạn nói gì?
Great analysis. I have a few additional thoughts:
1.)as others seem to have noted, it's probable that the encampment buildings probably aren't getting the bonus because specialty districts are those that require a district slot from population, so encampments are specialty districts and thanhs are not. Another possibility could be that districts that do not receive adjacency bonuses (encampments and entertainments) don't get the bonus.
2.)I think they're one of the most spawn-reliant civs in the game because, while you can plant woods quite a bit earlier, that is still the late renaissance, and a LOT of the game has been decided by that point. If you can't get the core districts that you use before that point in the game, you're in trouble.
3.)one last negative - so specialty districts require being placed on one of those features - what if a volcano removes the feature that the district is on? The example they show is a forest fire, which doesn't remove the rainforest or woods - it transitions from burning woods to burnt woods and then back to woods. Volcanoes remove the feature entirely. So, does it remove the district as well? One would hope that you just lose the bonuses to buildings.
4.)Now for the positives, having encampments not counting against the district pop cap means there's no reason not to spam them out in every city(thereby increasing other districts adjacency while giving itself gobs of culture), which also means you'll have obscene amounts of great generals, and if you combine the combat and, especially the movement bonus of the generals in addition to the civ ability, her army can absolutely put Simon Bolivar to shame.
5.) for secret societies, having districts not remove the feature underneath them should mean that vampire castles should get not only the adjacency of the six districts surrounding it but the food and production base yields of these tiles as well, which makes them some of the best castles in the game (for example, the adjacency bonus of 2campuses, 2 industrial zones, and 2 holy sites in addition to 12 food and 12 production.)
The bonus from district buildings is related to what feature they are built on, not what the district is. So all district buildings built on woods will always give additional culture, whether the district is a campus, theatre square, etc. Really excited for this civ!
Vietnam is probably a nightmare to have as a neighbour when you play as Brazil
I'm tempted to do a playthrough of rainforest or wetland civs. Vietnam, Brazil, Maya, Aztec, Kongo, India(I like Chandragupta), and Indonesia would be an interesting mix.
Maybe lady of reed and marshes could be really good with this civ if you maintain marshes yields when you build a district.
it looks like you don’t keep the yields once there’s a district, otherwise yea i was thinking the same
Love all the new videos mate. Thank you
Enemy: "Why does rainforest start speaking in Vietnamese?"
Civ dev: "Cuz Vietnamese built districts on it. "
I just realized that the forest fire screenshot we had from Firaxis when the Maya & Gran Colombia Pack was announced was Vietnam, because their districts are on fire and you can see woods popping out underneath their commercial hub.
Nice. I'll search for it.
The yield types for buildings are not based on the district but on the terrain the district is on. the commercial hub is on marsh so it gets production, but a theater square on marsh would also get production
The Thanh can be built anywhere according to the text description : the placement requirement applies to specialty districts but the Thanh is said to not be a specialty district.
The ability to plant woods at Medieval Faires along with the new Grove district is insane. Earth goddess with this chick is going to be insane
To be fair, Earth Goddess with ANYONE is gong to be insane now with the new preserve district. Vietnam will absolutely take it up another notch though.
keeping a lot of rainforest and marsh might not make it that good
@PotatoMcWhiskey It would seem the Thanh can be built on any tile because it is not a specialty district. The Nine River Dragon Delta trait specifies that only specialty districts require forest, rainforest or marsh. That would then explain why it didn't have the tile bonus in this video.
Hey @Potato, I think Vietnam is more suited for a science or militaristic victory backed by culture, like Gaul. Here is why:
1) They will need to prioritize campuses in order to survive to technically advanced AI units that may easily overcome the +10 combat bonus from Vietnam on the defense. Their only science bonus comes from placing districts in rainforest tiles, earning +1 science for each additional building.
2) This bonus does not scale well deeper into the game: a fully developed district in a rainforest tile would only generate +3 extra science per building (This could be balanced by increasing these yields when the buildings are fully powered, for example).
Also, the player would achieve the full +3 yield bonuses per district very late into the game, with a high production cost. So Vietnam should prioritize industrial zones as well.
3) As the Theater Squares become their 3rd district priority, they can rely on their cheap Thành to generate Tourism later into the game. That’s how I could see a Culture victory being viable to them, but they would require very careful district placement so I think they are more inclined for a science/dom type.
PS.: Big F for river flooded cities, island cities, desert cities and cities with active volcanoes
The thanh doesn't need to be build on a feature because it isn't a specialty district.
The Thành is not a specialty district, so it's not subject to the Nine Dragon River Delta feature. For that reason, it 1- Can be built in a clear tile and; 2- it's buildings doesn't get the bonus from said feature.
At the same time, aparently, the districts don't remove the feature they are built upon, so, as mentioned in the video, that's the reason for the Campus district getting +3 adjacency (+2 from rainforest, from a total of 5, and +1 from 2 adjacent districts, industrial zone and theater square).
cant wait for your Vietnam upload! Already planning to buy good snacks for that video! :)
Being able to plant woods that early also synergizes really well with the new Preserve district, and other appeal based things like Earth Goddess
The Thanh can be built anywhere, and also does not gain the yield bonuses, since it is not a specialty district.
Pretty sure the extra yields you saw with the buildings are from the terrain type under the district. For example, the reason the Shrine got the extra culture is because the video showed them placing the Holy Site on a Woods tile.
The district bonus is based on what you put your district on. If you put a commercial district on rainforest you would get +1 science. If on woods +1 culture, marsh +1 production
The extra yields are based on the feature you build on, also. Not based on the district
Watch the full video.
@@PotatoMcWhiskey i can't i unsubbed when the intro didn't spin 😔
Well seems like the soothsayer is a hard counter against them.
It looks like districts maintain their terrain features with Viernam, which is really cool. Now those "+1 adjacency for every 2 districts" and "+1 adjacency for every 2 forests(Holy Site)/Rainforests(Science)" can be combined to easily get high adjacency for Holy sites and Science districts.
The fact that their encampments get a major adjacentcy bonus is insane.
Honestly makes domination pretty viable I think
@@neonwhitea.1548 the only issue is their city viability is dependent on the terrain. For example, Mali is a hard counter to Vietnam if their capital is surrounded by desert. Eventually Vietnam would take the city, but it would be absolutely useless and have almost zero yields
However, that’s really the only civ Vietnam would have issues with. I think they’re more suited for a culture or science victory than domination specifically because of the yields the dummy cheap encampment provides
@@TheOriginalPoon That's not necessarily true, since she could use the preserve district
@@TheOriginalPoon The UD doesn't seem to need to be built on woods. So she can just use alr built districts by mail and squeeze in an UD.
Imagine how many different yields a Holy Site could get now, you could combo Work Ethic for Production, the one Great Scientist that grants Science for adjacency, use a Gurdwara for Food, and then place it on Woods for Culture.
"you can do a fighting retreat, or an attacking advance" -potato 2021
@potatomcwhiskey the description says that specialty districts can only be placed on woods rainforests and marshes. Thanh description says that it is not a specialty district. so no you do not need to build it on forest/marsh/rainforest in fact if you do you just destroy the feature without getting any benefit. Also from the wording of the nine dragon river delta thing yes you do preserve the original feature underneath the district which means rainforests will be super good for that double adjacency if you got a bunch of them next to eachother since you can get both district adjacency and rainforest adjacency at the same time on top of the extra science for the district. Id say in a jungle region of a map this civ can outscience korea easily even in the earlygame.
I wonder if you get the yield bonuses for each building bulit in your city center if you settle on woods, rainforest, or marsh. That would mean you could potentially pump out +2 culture monuments at the start of the game, or +1 production +2 food granaries, which would make it a better version of the water mill.
Since the new encampment doesn't cost pop it is not considered a specialty district. So they don't have to put it on forest/rainforest/marsh
Nine Dragon River Delta affects speciality districts, but the Thanhi isnt a specialty district. I wonder if that means you can build more than 1 per city.
You can buy one Encampment per city, but this does not affect the total amor of districts per city you can build
Facts: actually "Nine Dragon River Delta" is the name of a delta in Southern Vietnam, but in Bà Triệu's time, Vietnamese hadn't expand to the south yet xD
Vietnam: We are impenetrable!
Babylon: (yawn) Release the bombards...
And then those bombards have to move past a dozen woodlands tiles, specially planted by Vietnam, and full of +10 combat boosted units, in order to reach the city walls. The bombards will be torn to shreds before they can even land one hit on the wall!
@@cometmoon4485 Yeah like woods limit sight as well, so it’s sorta a rough match if they got the civic at that point
@@cometmoon4485 Not to mention they can build half-cost encampment. So when war is declared, either you move all of your armies through all the forests into their borders and quickly take the city, or you are up against city wall and encampment with UU shooting.
“No issue. Release the bombers.”
@@cometmoon4485 ha haa, giant death robot go "stomp stomp"
The special encampment is mentioned to not be counted as a specialty district. So it doens't need to population and it doesn't need to be build on a feature, but it also misses out the feature bonus.
Also.... Guerilla Elephant Snipers!
GUERILLA
ELEPHANT
SNIPERS
Let that sink in for a bit...
Hey, we used to hide tanks underground back in the day
Just saying ...
@@Ltp1305 Of course. The elephants is where they got their practice :D
It looks like the underlying feature is maintained, which is very interesting for adjacency given the things that get adjacency from rainforest.
As someone who generally plays turtle anyway to go for culture victories, I’m really liking this Civ.
Regarding the Thanh placement in the demo vid...
The Thanh is specified, in addition to not requiring population thresholds, to not be a Specialty District. This is important, because the Nine Dragon River Delta ability specifies that it is Specialty Districts that receive the bonus yields to their buildings. That's why the Thanh in the demo video is not getting any bonus yields from it's buildings. The ability doesn't apply to it. But that's also why the Thanh can be placed there. It is also exempt from the Marsh/Jungle/Forest requirement for Specialty District placement.... Because it is not a Specialty District.
This may have ramifications for Adjacency Bonuses, depending on whether the bonus requires a Specialty District (Theatre, Commerce, etc) or just a District (GovPlaza, DilpoQuarter, Aqueduct, etc).
I am Vietnamese, so proud to see Lady Triệu in this update =))
The new preserve district is going to pair sooo well with Vietnam. Because you can build free encampments, you can use the extra district slot to build preserves, which you can superpower with your extra early forests.
I believe this civ can have enormous value from Holy site/culture: plenty of pantheons provide culture bonuses, and the three buildings for holy sites are quite fast to acquire, so you can get +3 culture holy sites that will always have some adjacency bonus with woods (which you can plant earlier).
So, a mix of early-mid aggression to get a neighbour or potential culture civ out of the way, and cultural end game with an immunity to other domination civs is certainly going to be my idea:)
Now the same applies to a campus built to get culture and grab at least 2 culture, who knows? Nice different civ
Saw someone say on Reddit that normally placing districts does remove features but Kongo's Mbanzas don't, and pre-Vietnam were the only districts that acted as such
The encampment didn't get bonuses since it wasn't built on woods/rainforest/marsh; only land specialty districts require the terrain requirement and the encampment replacement isn't considered a specialty district
A strong culture civ!, they're gonna be one of my favourites next to the cree and ghauls
There isn't a forest underneath the Encampment because I'm pretty sure that would give the Holy Site a +2 adjacency (two districts and two woods), not +1 (just the two districts)
Imagine playing Vietnam and then teddy comes with his napalm wielding soothsayers
*concerned Teddy Roosvelt noises*
Civ description of Tanh says it isn't a speciality district at the bottom. (Nine Dragon only applies to speciality districts.) So yes, it can be built on grass.
And I think the ability to build on these features doesn't remove the features, like the Mahabodhi temple.
So Campus gets an entire +1 bonus for adjacent specialty districts that are built on a rainforest, which justify why there's a +3 campus on non-mountain regions.
I think Nine River Delta only applies to specialty districs, and the Than specificly mentions in it's text that it's not a specialty district. That also means that things like aquaducts ect will be less of a headache to plan.
With their description, it sounds like districts don't remove woods/marsh/wetlands. If so, the tiles could still burn and it would also mean district diamonds don't have to give up those adjacencies.
Sounds legit.
The unit has a base movement of 4 and 5 with a forest and 6 in your own territory. 7
With a great general which you can get with the cheap encampments. Then get 4 of their crossbow men unit and just blitz an AI and return ALL Of to safety.
Ludicrous.
i think the bonus yields on the district buildings are not based on the type of district, but the type of terrain it is on, thats why they placed 1 on each of the 3. so its likely culture from woods, production from marsh, and science from rainforest.
EDIT: come on potato, medieval faires is a medieval era thing. i went and confirmed before i opened my mouth here. further in the video they drop a campus on woods, and it too gets culture int he buildings too. im pretty confident now that its tied to the terrain.
ANOTHER EDIT: derp, it confirms it in the plain text of the ability ;D yeah the yields are based on the terrain under it. and you are correct that the terrain stays in place, they explained it in the video saying that they have to be extra careful because forest fires can really cripple them.
I can see Vietnam (bonuses for districts on marshes, forests, river) add in Ley Lines (which always seem to occur on flat land) and standard resource mines (silver and copper and my oh my) and you will have very powerful cities. Then the encampment replaced by the Thanh generating culture and tourism, wow. Add in the Voi Chen launching out of their territory and getting +10 combat and +2 movement on a surge attack to start an early war and they can easily crush early enemy AI, to grow rapidly to support Ley Line growth later. Amazing. Just another new OP civ that played right should always win. Still sounds fun though. lol
Other civs initiating war:Oh no Forest tiles!!
Vietnam:(Happy Elephant Noise)
Just looking forward to playing this civ! Also, buying the frontier pass was a good idea for me - even though being made unemployed by the covid pandemic, my money was tight, it feels like I've gotten good value for the money. I've loved all the releases thus far.
Maybe the encampment for Vietnam is not considered a Specialty district since it doesn't require population? That would mean it's not subject to the River Delta ability and can be built anywhere but also that it doesn't get the same benefits if built on forest, rainforest or marsh
How to fight and cripple vietnam:
1.get a soothsayer
2. Napalm
3. ????
4. Victory
How to fight Vietnam: Byzantine religion + Crusade. Here is the +10 combat strength. Also, Tagmata and converting holy cities increase that even more.
@@XenophonSoulis did you just mix up and combine the words "Tagma" and "Themata"?
@@jovindsouza3407 No. I just used the plural of Tagma, which is Tagmata (like the plural of Thema is Themata).
so the districts that require a terrain feature, namely the Congolese one, don't remove that feature and they still count as that feature for adjacency. So if you if build to of the unique neighborhoods on two rainforests, that's a total of +2 adjacency for a campus. Which could be a nice bonus for Vietnamese holy cites and campuses.
Wait til they add Ho Chi Minh everyone gonna see armies disguised as forests
Then the dev gonna use his real-name as Nguyễn Tất Thành (the name Hồ Chí Minh he use when he got out of prison in Hong Kong and back to Việt Nam til now)
So it says on the ability description that specialty districts can only be placed on woods, rainforest, and marsh, and it says the Thanh does not count as a specialty district, so that's why it's on a plains tile.
I wonder if the Thanh not counting as a specialty district means researching it won't be factored into getting the 40% discount on districts mechanic. If it is factored in then the reduced cost and the fact that it doesn't require population means you could very easily spam these everywhere and thus more easily get the discount on your other districts.
I think you may have misunderstood the unique ability. The bonus science, culture and production are tied to what type of terrain the buildings are placed on. So from this, rainforest gives science, marsh gives production and forest gives culture...or maybe ive misunderstood it, in which case apologies for the false correction
Great synergy with religion if production bonus for marsh tiles stacks with the Lady of Reeds and Marshes pantheon! Also, Holy Sites would have extra faith from adjacent forests since building districts does not remove features! Same goes for campus/rainforest.