DEFCON 17: That Awesome Time I Was Sued For Two Billion Dollars

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  • Speaker: Jason Scott Textfiles.com
    In a world where scams are now considered as commonplace as functioning websites and cell phones, it's sometimes too easy to forget the insidiousness and complicated preparation that can go into a well-honed misleading attempt to gain financially from unknowing people. It also helps if you're this side of crazy. For over a decade, Jason Scott (and a group of others) were plagued by one such artist of misdirection, and he will present an dismaying, tragic, but hilarious recounting of what he learned along the way and what you yourself might find yourself confronted with as you go about your business. The story is true, the two billion dollars was demanded but not awarded, and the case got to court. Come hear a legal yarn with a side order of fried conspiracy theory, and walk away a little wiser.
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  • @dflosounds
    @dflosounds 5 ปีที่แล้ว +210

    "That's the second person to tell me I have 10 minutes left.....that means I have 20 minutes!" I hope one day I can be that quick-witted while standing in front of a large audience.

    • @jasonscott526
      @jasonscott526 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Hat tip

    • @KoldAsHell
      @KoldAsHell ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Dude was quick on his feet lol

  • @jtal3292
    @jtal3292 9 ปีที่แล้ว +140

    14:25 The statement he makes is very true. Happened to me when I was 16. Was in a car accident that was clearly not my fault. Police report said it was not my fault. All fault placed on the other party. They hired a lawyer who harassed my family and I for a year saying they were going to sue us, that we had done wrong, that there was legal precedent we should give them money. Don't fall for this or take it to heart.

    • @edlingja1
      @edlingja1 7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      JT Al Oh yeah, you just go to court when summoned and tell the truth. People will hold lawyers above your head like it's a special perk, but if you didn't do anything wrong, you don't have to worry. They may try to perjure themselves hoping you won't call their bluff; but any amount of critical thinking will show their fault. Thus the case will fall through and you don't even need a lawyer to allege perjury.

    • @WOGBOY
      @WOGBOY 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      lol just go no contact :^)

  • @mikearthut781
    @mikearthut781 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1640

    You owe me 2 trillion dollars. Or, pay me $25, right now, and we even.

    • @SmokeyEdits
      @SmokeyEdits 7 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      I can't tell if this guy is the Slenderman or if he's a delusional heroin addict who ran out of people to steal from.

    • @ellenorbjornsdottir1166
      @ellenorbjornsdottir1166 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      so I owe you $25 with millions % interest

    • @stickinthemud23
      @stickinthemud23 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@shabbyken2578 What other recourse does he have?

    • @lemax6865
      @lemax6865 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@stickinthemud23 None, but that course of action still makes him a hypocrite. Not to mention that there's now documented proof that he is either criminally insane of profoundly stupid. Perhaps both.

    • @stickinthemud23
      @stickinthemud23 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@lemax6865 I mis-wrote my comment. I was not intending to comment about that nut who sued, and you are absolutely right about him. He needs help. Administered in a room with padded walls.

  • @ryani4472
    @ryani4472 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1441

    What's funny is the "The Federal Zone" guy is quoting federal law which according to his book does not apply to areas outside of "federal" territories.

    • @ProfessorSyndicateFranklai
      @ProfessorSyndicateFranklai 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      What if he lived in DC?

    • @jamescarmody4713
      @jamescarmody4713 5 ปีที่แล้ว +93

      He explains this in the first letter with an absolute logic bomb. He says that he acts "under the laws of the United States of America without the 'United States' (federal government)"
      He is acting under federal law...but the federal government doesn't exist...but federal law still applies...all I can do is laugh.

    • @tacokoneko
      @tacokoneko 5 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      I just skip the whole sovereign citizen nonsense and get straight to the part where I believe the federal government should be mostly abolished

    • @mikesgoodmann9349
      @mikesgoodmann9349 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@ProfessorSyndicateFranklai Then he has to pay income tax there.

    • @SavageGreywolf
      @SavageGreywolf 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      he's a sovereign citizen, he's not quoting federal law, he's MOLESTING federal law.

  • @andyphil666
    @andyphil666 9 ปีที่แล้ว +265

    this guy is fucking entertaining, i love him

    • @MistahJuicyBoy
      @MistahJuicyBoy 8 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      +andyphil666 The audience seemed so dull! He made a lot of jokes in silence

    • @SgtKOnyx
      @SgtKOnyx 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      MistahJuicyBoy or they yelled out things

    • @vinzo0913
      @vinzo0913 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Elia Meyer doesn't that sum up existence?

  • @OddlyIncredible
    @OddlyIncredible 5 ปีที่แล้ว +258

    "Vexatious litigant" = you've abused the legal system, and thus are barred from filing any further civil actions without a prior okay from a judge.

    • @TRG29338
      @TRG29338 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @Paul _ Are you THE Paul??

    • @andrewmoore8039
      @andrewmoore8039 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @Paul _ thanks for answering the question for us lol

    • @andrewmoore8039
      @andrewmoore8039 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @Paul _ thats about verbatim the response i was expecting. you dont disappoint.

    • @andrewmoore8039
      @andrewmoore8039 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @Paul _ i gotta be honest paul... you seem a little off... talking about communists and shit. where did you get that from? no. wait. i don't want to know. just go ahead and send me the paperwork on the gazillion dollar defamation suit you're filling on me lol.

    • @ReroutedYearAD
      @ReroutedYearAD 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A rocket scientist that thinks shared property is bad but is arguing in favour of a nation that uses the same concept. Wow. Must be really smart. Gotta have an IQ of 9 to work for NASA?

  • @tommypampalone9850
    @tommypampalone9850 5 ปีที่แล้ว +125

    This whole setup is reminiscent of the current abuse of TH-cam's copyright claim system

    • @1320crusier
      @1320crusier 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      How do you know the cuckoo isnt working for TH-cam...

  • @foramerica21
    @foramerica21 5 ปีที่แล้ว +513

    TH-cam why NOW. I NEED TO KNOW. WHY NOW MUST I WATCH THIS

    • @MisterDarkfall
      @MisterDarkfall 5 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      LOL. True story. Happened to me. Watched the whole thing. No regrets.

    • @leonstrand329
      @leonstrand329 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      He has a few videos online and they are all great

    • @nemergix1707
      @nemergix1707 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      bc its good

    • @Shooshaq
      @Shooshaq 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      same here, we really need to crack this one, gang

    • @mrfeser1
      @mrfeser1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      watched 30 cars videos in a row, makes perfect sense that this is in my recommended

  • @dokatz
    @dokatz 7 ปีที่แล้ว +798

    I don't know how I landed on this video, but I really like this guy.

    • @SgtKOnyx
      @SgtKOnyx 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Peter Brill dat algorithm

    • @dokatz
      @dokatz 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      SgtKOnyx oh God am I so boring someone thinks I'm a bot? Is it finally happening?

    • @SgtKOnyx
      @SgtKOnyx 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Peter Brill no, TH-cam just makes more money off of this video than others. It's why you see it

    • @pingpingthetinychainsmoker7863
      @pingpingthetinychainsmoker7863 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh no busy youtube algorithm just crazy these days so nobody knows why anything is popular now lol bai

    • @pingpingthetinychainsmoker7863
      @pingpingthetinychainsmoker7863 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You liked the yeh meme so I can see you have atleast somewhat explored youtube and thus are 1 of us. Cool

  • @Admiral__
    @Admiral__ 5 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    "Now its huge, I provide close to a Terabyte of data" ....man we have come a long way

    • @steve88luv
      @steve88luv 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thats exactly what I was thinking, I have more storage than that in this PC.

    • @matzeh1985
      @matzeh1985 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@steve88luv But not in textfiles and pdfs, i guess.

    • @jay71512
      @jay71512 5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      1Tb of text files is more than a lifetime of reading! It is huge lol

    • @Rikard_Nilsson
      @Rikard_Nilsson 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      a single A4 paper full of text (size 10) is about 5 kiloBytes of data, so that's about 200 million pages.

    • @liquidbrainstorm
      @liquidbrainstorm 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@steve88luv I have more storage than this on a micro sd card

  • @mikehawk2630
    @mikehawk2630 7 ปีที่แล้ว +129

    Well this is just a reminder that I'm gonna hate my 15 year old fucked up self when I'm 40

    • @tsobf242
      @tsobf242 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mike Hawk You know, I haven't majorly regretted saying or doing anything so far. It will be interesting to see if that changes in a couple decades.

    • @SmolHatLogan
      @SmolHatLogan 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Mike Hawk you probably won't even remember what anon is you lol

    • @bbb-si8mb
      @bbb-si8mb 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Look on the bright side, you might not live that long.

    • @spootot
      @spootot 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I've caught up. I hated the old me. Then I hated the a-little-while-ago me. Then I hated current me.
      Now I only hate future me. Everything else seems to be okay now. It's weird.

    • @OleTimHerr
      @OleTimHerr 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Mike Hawk I hate the dead me. btw I was never alive

  • @rwdplz1
    @rwdplz1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    If you google the guy's name, the stories are insane, he's like the legal world's equivalent of Chris-chan

  • @Flamo353
    @Flamo353 9 ปีที่แล้ว +768

    The website is still up!

    • @billnine2642
      @billnine2642 9 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Flamo353 208.86.224.90 Nulled it rn LOL !!!!!!

    • @grame141
      @grame141 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not anymore :(

    • @LozJockey
      @LozJockey 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +MechV I was just on it xD

    • @grame141
      @grame141 9 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Loz Jockey It's some gardener, not the guy described in the video. Am I looking at the wrong paulandrewmitchell.com?

    • @grame141
      @grame141 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Flamo353 That's confusing.. why is it about a gardener now?

  • @Anita95_original
    @Anita95_original 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The advice to talk to people, to get others views, are so utterly critical! You need to consult friends and other people! You really do!
    I got sued by a scumbag on fabricated charges, I did not have supporting people around my, and that was tough. You have trouble defending yourself, alone.
    Wisdom: stand against bullies by having people with and around you, seek help and others will help.
    The collection of old stuff is history, and that is important and should never be allowed to be stopped due to "copyright" or other claims. Keep up the good work!

  • @nicolek4076
    @nicolek4076 9 ปีที่แล้ว +115

    He has a good point. Even in the UK this type of thing happens. I got a claim from a debt collection agency about a lot of money that they reckoned I owed. I found out that this was normal for these people and asked them to justify their request. They never contacted me again.

    • @ketchup143
      @ketchup143 9 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      +Nicole K goddamn, collection agencies are the worst! just the worst! imagine having to work for one, or the kind of people that openly CHOOSE to work for one!

    • @nicolek4076
      @nicolek4076 9 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      +ketchup143 That's true. However, in this economic climate there are many who will put aside their moral repugnance and do the job. People have to eat, even if the means to this end are to the detriment of the naive.

    • @geroffmilan3328
      @geroffmilan3328 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Had similar issues.
      Demanding further valudation - without proferring any additional info - usually works though, as you say.
      You might appreciate the story of LastWeekTonight buying a deal of "bad debt" in the US, mainly healthcare-related, then writing all of it off.
      Radio 4's In Business had a near-identical story some years back, where a crowd-sourced group did the same thing. Listening to the three-way chat between Peter Day, the crowd group rep & the guy from the debt collector's PR machine was priceless; the latter man was spitting nails at their business being undermined :)
      Debts need paying, but economic vampirism is deplorable.

    • @Studio23Media
      @Studio23Media 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In America, if a debt collector contacts you, you have 30 days to ask them to validate the debt. They cannot contact you again until they can prove the legitimacy of what you owe. Often if it's a debt collector, they've bought unpaid bills in bulk and don't receive much of the information. There's always a chance it will disappear and there's no reason not to try.

    • @mathieubrazeau3336
      @mathieubrazeau3336 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ketchup143 I worked in a collection agency in Canada for over 3+ years I actually enjoyed it. It helps to do the job using your brain and being helpful / understandable for the debtor.

  • @trrevv4648
    @trrevv4648 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    HOLY SHIT!
    This Guy Was Behind TextFiles?
    That Was Literally My Staple Of Websites As A Kid! Back On Dialup Sonnnn!
    Love It. Checked It Out About A Month Ago And Relived It.
    Can’t Believe It.
    Love It.
    Thank You For Making That Much Information Readily Available To Those Seeking Knowledge, Thank You My Friend!

  • @MrGeorgeFlorcus
    @MrGeorgeFlorcus 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    This might be one of the best titles to a video on TH-cam I have ever seen. And this guy presents it really well. This could have been a TED Talk. Hell, this could be a book.
    I love the idea that the guy looked at "The entire internet". Yeah, I'm pretty sure even in the later 90's-early 00's that would be a tall order.

  • @valentinlance8072
    @valentinlance8072 10 ปีที่แล้ว +541

    What get's put on the internet stays on the internet.

    • @BeingAGamerguy
      @BeingAGamerguy 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      True true.

    • @Fennecbutt
      @Fennecbutt 9 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      What the hell is that apostrophe there for?

    • @valentinlance8072
      @valentinlance8072 9 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Fennecbutt I don't know.

    • @valentinlance8072
      @valentinlance8072 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      ***** Here we go again. I am fine with him correcting despite his attitude.

    • @valentinlance8072
      @valentinlance8072 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      ***** That makes sense.

  • @cjeam9199
    @cjeam9199 5 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    Autoplay in 2019 did me a confuse when the guy said “it’s 2009 and I have to ask”.

  • @BillMBowlingIII
    @BillMBowlingIII 9 ปีที่แล้ว +237

    I do believe the the "Legal Mail" stamp referenced means that it is from a prison. When my brother send out legal mail from prison it has the same stamp on it so the mail room doesn't open it and read it. Just my thoughts being that the guy also had his bank account seized for failure to pay taxes.

    • @seditt5146
      @seditt5146 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Exactly what I was thinking esp when he spoke about the forwarding agency and stuff and no returns.

    • @circu111
      @circu111 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      ​@@seditt5146 He also showed up in court to sue him, which is not a privilege inmates generally receive.

    • @seditt5146
      @seditt5146 5 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      @@circu111 True I thought about that but then again people are in and out of County jails regularly. He could have done a few months here and there and just been out of jail by the time the trial. I have seen people like him in there who have nothing else to do but attempt to sue or file various legal citations. They spend 10 minutes in the law library and suddenly everyones saul goodman.

    • @Ulkomaalainen
      @Ulkomaalainen 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Actually, don't inmates get the ability to defend (or sue) stuff in court unrelated to the reason they're in? Because that's something they should be able to. Of course not in a "just go there and come back" way, and of course somebody would need to check the application for being valid, so couldn't apply in this case, but "generally" I'd say this privilege exists.

    • @seditt5146
      @seditt5146 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@Ulkomaalainen There is no validity check as no one would have the rights to view their legal mail other then their lawyer which in this case the guy was representing himself. Yes they have all the legal rights any normal person has in jail to sue.... defend etc.... Its to the point legal mail is regularly used to smuggle stuff into jail as no one really has the right to inspect packages completely so small amounts of contraband are smuggled in that way.

  • @TheDisabledGamersChannel
    @TheDisabledGamersChannel 5 ปีที่แล้ว +92

    26:46 Över a period of serveral months, time permitting, Plaintiff surveyed THE ENTIRE INTERNET" that shit made me bust out laughing, this guys that sued you is a complete nut case.

    • @Gartral
      @Gartral 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A "Vexatious Litigant"

    • @RainbowManification
      @RainbowManification 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      He was diagnosed as having a delusional disorder during a federal tax fraud case in 2013 and declared criminally incompetent. He was sent to a prison hospital in Missouri for court-ordered treatment and spent 4 months there before being declared incurably incompetent and released.

  • @joelayoub2774
    @joelayoub2774 7 ปีที่แล้ว +263

    That guy was arrested and thrown in jail for like 11 months and he wrote letters like the ones shown in the video daily and mailed them countless judges. They eventually released him just to shut him up. Lol

    • @JC-11111
      @JC-11111 5 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      That's normally how they get the "Legal Mail" stamp, also. Sent from jail or prison.

    • @professorhaystacks6606
      @professorhaystacks6606 5 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      So what I'm hearing is I can get out of jail early if I send crazy letters?

    • @MyRegardsToTheDodo
      @MyRegardsToTheDodo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@professorhaystacks6606 You might end up in the looney bin, so technically yes, you'd be out of prison.

    • @HyperSaneDemon
      @HyperSaneDemon 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Source?

    • @DekkarJr
      @DekkarJr 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@professorhaystacks6606 If you act crazy in jail they put you in a tiny room and blast the heat til you calm down lol. And they have psych specialized blocks in jail, its just full of schizophrenic homeless people.

  • @YAUUN
    @YAUUN 5 ปีที่แล้ว +115

    Wait, he's a sovereign citizen who believes that federal law only applies in DC & on military bases & tried to use federal laws to sue you?

    • @jamescarmody4713
      @jamescarmody4713 5 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Yep, and his logic is he uses the "laws of the United States without the 'United States' (federal government)". Wrap your head around that one.

    • @MattZelda
      @MattZelda 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@jamescarmody4713 My head has wrapped around itself and now it is condensed into a black hole.

    • @dushk0
      @dushk0 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      What are his other options?

    • @TheDrewker
      @TheDrewker 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@dushk0 Uh.... I guess his only option is to stop being a nutjob...
      If you have to use the laws of the thing which you claim has no authority, then you are acknowledging said authority. That's the problem with living in a place while pretending the laws don't apply to you. It doesn't actually work.

    • @RainbowManification
      @RainbowManification 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's how most SovCit's are. Laws don't apply to them but they apply to people I don't like and want to use it against them.

  • @J0hnnieP
    @J0hnnieP 8 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Probably one of the funniest yet most informative things I've listened too for months now. Kudos to you sir for being entertaining and educational.

  • @MooShaka89
    @MooShaka89 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I have no idea why this popped up on my feed but I'm very happy I spent all 32 minutes watching it

  • @arasb3258
    @arasb3258 7 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    This was a farked up scam attempt. Everyone, please don't give a penny to these scammers who use fear to steal from innocent people, their hard-earned money that we spent our precious time earning. It just encourages them. Maybe a little extreme, but it would be better to burn your money, then give it to these thieves. I'm glad Jason got the support and help needed to stand up to this insanity. Wish I could help.

    • @peter_smyth
      @peter_smyth 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why give the thieves the money after it's been burned?

    • @poppers7317
      @poppers7317 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      So when someone's asking me for several billion dollar for some made up nonsense I shouldn't give him the money?
      Good to know!

  • @user-10.10.
    @user-10.10. 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    >I have 10 million 4chan threads
    The easiest possession of child pornography conviction the Feds will ever get

  • @anonanon8995
    @anonanon8995 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Hope everyone realizes that this is still relevant today and that this can happen to them for various legal reasons.

  • @datasilouk1995
    @datasilouk1995 9 ปีที่แล้ว +112

    I found Jason Scott really interesting to listen to and I love stories like this. I am off to find any other videos by him.

    • @ilovesmosh2012
      @ilovesmosh2012 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So did you find any?

    • @Pdro-gw7lu
      @Pdro-gw7lu 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      RUN ER there's quite a few

  • @MartyWoodcock
    @MartyWoodcock 9 ปีที่แล้ว +278

    I keep getting spam email from some company saying I have unpaid toll fines. I've never been across a toll bridge or road in my life! I've even received several online summons' to appear in federal court to answer said "charges". I've never showed up and no one has officially contacted me regarding this, so I'll keep ignoring. So far, they claim I owe over $100 grand! I owe over $100 grand for crossing toll-roads I never crossed. Sounds a little bat-shit crazy to me.

    • @NetRolller3D
      @NetRolller3D 8 ปีที่แล้ว +114

      "Unpaid toll fines" is a well-known TeslaCrypt ransomware dropper email, so be careful. The "invoice" you get is actually a JS file for Windows Script Host, which will download and run TeslaCrypt.

    • @SgtKOnyx
      @SgtKOnyx 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Marty.R Woodcock just spam it

    • @edlingja1
      @edlingja1 7 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      Marty.R Woodcock
      No legal documents of any kind are sent through email unless you are requesting a copy (just a simple copy).

    • @legendaryoutcast4440
      @legendaryoutcast4440 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Marty.R Woodcock sound like gone and fucked up, this is 2017. they can and will charge toll fees over the internet. welcome to america

    • @agustasister5624
      @agustasister5624 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Marty.R Woodcock no ...it's a racket that has been exposed. they claim they are not being paid with files like yours and are bankrupt. they the. sell to a friend of OBAMA. ironically they are anything but....it is a constant no st maker and the land and salvage alone are more than worth what they PAY. in 90 percent of the cases not even local authorities are notified it was sold to some foreigners

  • @xkguy
    @xkguy 8 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I'm not a DEFCON person but this guy is a good speaker and entertaining.

  • @fabiboiii
    @fabiboiii 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I purposely chose not to watch this DefCon talk because it sounded like clickbait, watched a playlist and happened to listen for a while until I noticed what video it was. I'm so damn glad I watched it, holy cow, so interesting and hilarious!

  • @stupidhat1779
    @stupidhat1779 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "It was 1997, a slightly different feel to the Internet" that made me laugh it was more like another world in a galaxy far, far away.
    Great video, marvelous story.

  • @markpenrice6253
    @markpenrice6253 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Those shovelware guys might have been profiteers, but I have to admit their shonky, leeching work was much appreciated amongst the large population of us in the early-mid 90s who had computers with CDROM drives and nearby stores with budget/shareware software racks, but no modem or other BBS/network access. Got a lot of useful or at least interesting software and somewhat diverting games out of them.
    However, you're welcome to your opinion, and I'm about as thankful for your own service with Textfiles as that's a site I've also got many hours of use out of. It's an exceptional piece of work and the time you put into it is appreciated.

  • @sock_dgram8594
    @sock_dgram8594 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This is such a great story that I rewatch this video every few months.

  • @estradiolvalerate8925
    @estradiolvalerate8925 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you TH-cam for recommending this absolute fucking legendary tale a merely 8 fucking years too late, granted that i only got internet in 2017 but that still means 2 whole years of everyday TH-cam usage where you could have recommended it to me, i wonder what other amazing stuff i still havent been recommended

  • @lukefernandez3492
    @lukefernandez3492 5 ปีที่แล้ว +131

    Anyone else get this in their recommended in 2019?
    Edit: over 100 likes!!! My life has been fulfilled thank you so much everybody!

    • @Blind_Smithy
      @Blind_Smithy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Algorithms working their wonders

    • @Gormador
      @Gormador 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      This is glorious, I'm not mad it does xD

    • @brianreaver
      @brianreaver 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      yup had a good laugh though.

    • @spodula
      @spodula 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yup, and enjoyed it immensely..

    • @daltonwatson2058
      @daltonwatson2058 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yup. Idk why I clicked. It's 3:30 in the morning and I have work at 7:30. Wtf am I doing?

  • @V3RTiGo7
    @V3RTiGo7 7 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Jesus Christ....so this is Jason. OMG I was always wondering how he's like back in the 90's!!! Amazing guy and thanks for your great "warez" back in the ol'skool days!!! :D

  • @TheChapelx
    @TheChapelx 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This was better than some standup specials I've seen. What a journey

  • @invntiv
    @invntiv 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I will be watching every single minute of Jason Scott content I can find after finding his incredible DefCon talks.

  • @ensigncook432
    @ensigncook432 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Such a good talk. I love it when smart people have something interesting to say and are good at saying it

  • @wesmatron
    @wesmatron 9 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Should have played him at his own game. Wrote "Accepted for Value" on it and sent it back to him.

  • @paulnixon752
    @paulnixon752 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Why this was recommended to me I'll never know, but I have to watch more of this guy

  • @KC16A6
    @KC16A6 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Really, REALLY good talk.
    It is TRUE. Bullies (legal ones abusing the law itself) WILL do all they can to scare you, to break until you give up and pay.
    Awesome presentation.

  • @Dafoodmaster
    @Dafoodmaster 7 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    you archived years worth of 4chan?
    intense. i need that.

  • @markpenrice6253
    @markpenrice6253 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Funnily enough I've run up against the milder, more subtle form of this kind of crazy before in my career and, whilst it wasn't anything quite as mad as demanding $2bn, I can certainly vouch for the advice being genuine - talk it over with other people and seek qualified help if it starts getting bad (they can only tell you to go away after all). In my case having a union to help out on the professional side, and grounded friends and family to act as a sounding board and check that I wasn't actually the one going mad was a great help.

  • @khmergodhobbies
    @khmergodhobbies 7 ปีที่แล้ว +326

    So....you can get sued for fan fiction? Wasn't 50 shades a fanfic of twilight?

    • @ze_rubenator
      @ze_rubenator 7 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Names were changed.

    • @mrpumperknuckles1631
      @mrpumperknuckles1631 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Vandoeun Long lol 50 shades of shit was

    • @pwnmeisterage
      @pwnmeisterage 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      "Official film/series/canon" is really just "expensive fan film" when you get down to it.

    • @MyRegardsToTheDodo
      @MyRegardsToTheDodo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@pwnmeisterage No, "official" films/series and so on pay licensing fees and royalties to the original creators, even if those creators for example just created a figure for a franchise like Star Trek. In the Next Generation series there was a character called Nicholas Lorcano (a star pilot whose father was a famous admiral and who got thrown out of Starfleet Academy), he was used in one episode and played by Robert Duncan McNeill. Originally, this character was supposed to return in Star Trek Voyager, but the creators of VOY would have had to pay royalties to the creator of Nicholas Locarno every time they used the character, so they decided against using him. Instead they created Tom Paris, a star pilot whose father was a famous admiral and who got thrown out of Starfleet Academy. And he was played by Robert Duncan McNeill.

    • @pwnmeisterage
      @pwnmeisterage 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@MyRegardsToTheDodo Licensing fees and royalties cost money. Part of what makes it an "expensive fan film".

  • @dreamingforward
    @dreamingforward 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for showing me where all those awesome old BBS text files went. Your'e awesome!

  • @FirstLast-fr4hb
    @FirstLast-fr4hb 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    We're citing a federal law for copyright violation of a book that says federal laws are illegitimate!
    "Dear Mister Moonbat, the law you are attempting to enforce is not actually valid, you can read all about it in this book "The Federal Zone", written by "Paul Andrew Mitchel"

  • @InjectorGadget
    @InjectorGadget 9 ปีที่แล้ว +192

    So he basically was the first cloud service provider :)

    • @pepsiqwerty501
      @pepsiqwerty501 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      He made more of a public archive, a cloud service is private, anyone can view an archive

    • @InjectorGadget
      @InjectorGadget 7 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      A cloud is just a remote server you're uploading data onto... Whether said data is privately available or not doesn't change what it essentially is. :)

    • @qazwsxedcrfv4183
      @qazwsxedcrfv4183 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ray Guzman Cloud is just a graphical ftp: service. Its like www. means nothing either.

    • @InjectorGadget
      @InjectorGadget 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      qazwsx edcrfv No, FTP is an FTP service. To keep things simple, cloud computing is storing and accessing data and/or programs over LAN or a WAN. How you access them depends on specific needs. FTP would be ONE way to access the data, another way would be SSH, or using HTTP (via your browser) to use a program stored on the cloud, etc.

    • @XFusIOnmecha
      @XFusIOnmecha 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ray Guzman You know Melvin? lol

  • @jeremygrbj4745
    @jeremygrbj4745 7 ปีที่แล้ว +168

    The paul andrew mitchell website is now a landscaping website which is very random! lol

    • @kodguerrero
      @kodguerrero 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Damn, was not expecting that xD

    • @Farmores
      @Farmores 7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I beleive this is the guy lol www.supremelaw.org/authors/mitchell/resume.htm

    • @krisoko
      @krisoko 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      www.supremelaw.org/cc/aol/index.htm
      There are later docs from Mitchell in relation to the case. He even wrote a letter to the Secretary General of the United Nations!! :D

    • @korenn9381
      @korenn9381 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      holy shit. That list of documents just goes from batshit crazy to entirely new levels. At the very bottom, there's a criminal accusation of himself towards some people for the supreme court... at least that's what I thought until I noticed that the people accused are the supreme court judges themselves!

    • @kevinbooth-
      @kevinbooth- 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ...? "7292 CHECKMATE!, (January 14, 2004 A.D.) (.doc)"

  • @DaveJacoby
    @DaveJacoby 10 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    That's some world-class crazy right there.

  • @DixyRae
    @DixyRae 10 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Apparently, according to his website/resume, Mitchell is planning on upping his patent trolling game in the near future:
    Present Inventor and Provisional U.S. Patent Holder: high-speed solid-state data storage technologies

  • @mogemulation
    @mogemulation 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Honestly, despite his bombastic attitude when presenting, well - anything... Jason is actually a really down-to-earth, kind-hearted guy. I had the incredible opportunity to go have dinner with him at this one bar in Stockholm some years back when he was in town to give a talk, and it was honestly one of the most moving evenings of my life. For the record, and I give him no end of credit for this, dude doesn't drink; I had my fair share of beers, while he was happily pulling on a Coca-Cola, just expounding on story after story. Amazing dude.

  • @redtails
    @redtails 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    In many countries, the Freedom of Information act is misused by these sorts of people to extract money when documents are not delivered on time (which is tough when thousands of documents are requested)

  • @bobomob111
    @bobomob111 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Textfiles.com taught me about early hack/phreak culture and seriously steered the course of my life. For that I am ever thankful.

  • @JacobDalgaard
    @JacobDalgaard 9 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great speech!
    Great advice to share that with your friends, because that sure is scary, many people might settle because of the scare!

  • @DanWuensch
    @DanWuensch ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Was happy to see that the site he mentions at the end is still online in all its HTTP glory

  • @TheBouregard
    @TheBouregard 8 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    at first it felt like some advertising for his site, but after about 5 minutes of watching I couldn't stop laughing. Great talk and great site. I found a few goodies I thought lost to the void.

    • @SNCRLYTYLER
      @SNCRLYTYLER 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well what would he really be advertising? He doesn't even have ad's on the website so what does he have to gain/profit?

    • @geroffmilan3328
      @geroffmilan3328 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@SNCRLYTYLER very true dude, but Jason didn't mention that until about 5mins in I think (or am I wrong?) which kinda matches the OP's timeline.

  • @counterculturecocks
    @counterculturecocks 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This made my day! Thanks for the laughs/information, Jason. And thanks for the upload, Christiaan008!

  • @benjaminhessler9869
    @benjaminhessler9869 10 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    I fucking love how this guy explains things XD

  • @lion123
    @lion123 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    The video has been viewed over 833 thousand times. He should really sue you for another couple billion dollars. Including 7% interest of course :D

  • @TheWarriorSongProject
    @TheWarriorSongProject 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    LOL, the BArdex Superhero looks like a slam-dunk win for infringement of Pixar's Mr. Incredible image.

    • @ViktorMartin113
      @ViktorMartin113 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      It looks like Mr. Incredible merged with The Flash

  • @yoymate6316
    @yoymate6316 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jason Scott is fucking awesome. His blogpost “Freedom, Justice and a Disturbingly Gaping Ass” should be a mandatory read for anyone on the Internet.

  • @Tim-is-short
    @Tim-is-short 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The funny thing is that, in 2019, this level of crazy is our new normal. It's now perfectly acceptable to redefine things as "your truth", and ignore (or cancel) realities that make you uncomfortable.

  • @paulcervenka
    @paulcervenka 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Objectively one of the most fascinating, informative, and hilarious talks I have seen. Ever. EVER!!!

  • @ContentWithMyself
    @ContentWithMyself 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    that was awesome and so helpful and encouraging. for the little guy doing cool things this can be a very real situation in my experience.

  • @optionsbbq
    @optionsbbq 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love it, stumbled on it today and couldn't stop watching...no I'm not paying you 25$

  • @BothViewPoints
    @BothViewPoints 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    LOL, very smart man and very entertaining to watch. Glad he did something with his life and it was successful.

  • @michaelcaprice8142
    @michaelcaprice8142 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am one of the original members of International Information Retrieval Guild “IIRG” for short Back in the late 80s and early 90s we deemed all digital data sacred and archived it for the future. This was saved on a bbs called the warehouse untill 1993 when I was shutdown and the 22yo Sysop “ Ionizer” arrested on 500k bond And sentenced to 28months on Nov 19,1993 the day in Geek, Tech and computer history. for allowing a file written by a 15yo be available for a 16yo to download.

  • @nates9536
    @nates9536 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Nothing is forgotten. The Internet is eternal

  • @crimson-rk6di
    @crimson-rk6di 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I stumbled across this not knowing what it is at all but for some reason kept listening to all of it....and was entertained.

  • @genessab
    @genessab 7 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    26:32 banach tarski lawsuit

    • @sentralorigin
      @sentralorigin 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      what is banach tarski lawsuit

    • @LetztezBatallion
      @LetztezBatallion 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It comes from the Banach-tarski gemoetric paradox, which basically tells you that you can, from a single object, create 2 other objects identical to the first one. THis is a REALLY simplified explaination of it,. so just google the thing. Like taking a rubik cube, dissasemble it, and then create 2 cubes identical to the first one.

    • @sentralorigin
      @sentralorigin 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't understand what this concept has to do with a lawsuit or the video

    • @LetztezBatallion
      @LetztezBatallion 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      From a single instance of the possibility of triple damage payment, he instead created 2 instances of triple damage payment, thus sixfold instead of the normal triple (The smashed 3 eggs, but somehow ended with 6 eggs jason says in the video)

    • @sentralorigin
      @sentralorigin 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ah, thank you for the explanation

  • @moth.monster
    @moth.monster 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A terabyte was massive in 2009. Now a terabyte is barely anything. How times change, so fast...

  • @overnightgrowth
    @overnightgrowth 9 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    This is fuckin gold

  • @Griimnak
    @Griimnak 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    1:00 "It's 2009, just a show of hands who knows what a computer bulletin board is?"
    Wow. haha

  • @Uatemydoodle
    @Uatemydoodle 7 ปีที่แล้ว +109

    10 + 10 = 20.
    I love this guy XD

    • @mawillix2018
      @mawillix2018 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Uatemydoodle 10 + 10 + 20 = 40

    • @dushk0
      @dushk0 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I guess that's correct. You can't shorthand things to a point where meaning is lost/changed.

    • @storrho
      @storrho 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      MawilliX Wow dude epic math freestyle

  • @hyretech
    @hyretech 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So happy to see the USENIX "computing systems" get scanned.

  • @steveejohnson7932
    @steveejohnson7932 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    And I thought Digital Homicide was bad

    • @anthonymacgregor9790
      @anthonymacgregor9790 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      now we know where Digital Homicide got the idea from lol

  • @ben-brady
    @ben-brady 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    7:10 - Shout out to the level of enthusiasm on the guy who shouted out "incredibles 2"

  • @jk-sd6qc
    @jk-sd6qc 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    i know that textfiles site, i once stumbled upon it. pretty cool.

  • @rasmusazu
    @rasmusazu 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    8 years later and its still around. Good for him.

  • @Yamagatabr
    @Yamagatabr 9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you!
    It was very informative, entertaining, and a good eye-open, especially for osmeone in my age and personality :P
    I wonder HOW MANY hours you spent reading and studying things from this lunatic, you clearly did your research, where other people may had slipped over. I wonder how you got your help on a case like this one

  • @inter_707
    @inter_707 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is the best video on the internet. Period.

  • @renakunisaki
    @renakunisaki 7 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    This loon later went on to become the head of the RIAA.
    (not really.)

    • @Veevslav1
      @Veevslav1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Was he not the founder and got fired for being crazy?

    • @klobiforpresident2254
      @klobiforpresident2254 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Record Industry Association of America?

  • @DanielLopez-up6os
    @DanielLopez-up6os 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    A classic i keep coming back to each and every-time love it.

  • @FarrakhanWolcott
    @FarrakhanWolcott 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Oddly enough I want to check out the crazy guy's book

    • @anarchyantz1564
      @anarchyantz1564 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Just remember to give Paul his $25 in unmarked and used bills and avoid telling the Feds as they are "all in on it" :)

  • @stein1885
    @stein1885 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I feel like nobody thanks christiaan for the amount of defcon content he uploads, kudos to you!

  • @theendofit
    @theendofit 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    wait.... he thinks pepole should not have to fallow any laws and the goverment should hold no power? then how can he sue for copyright? does he not understatend that by his own "laws/rules" you are 100% fair to use his matrile.

    • @DavidLeeKersey
      @DavidLeeKersey 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      +theendofit Your expecting logic for a nut job moonbat?

    • @SgtKOnyx
      @SgtKOnyx 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      theendofit Sovereigns don't follow laws they do like, do the ones the like

  • @THECHAOSEMPEROR
    @THECHAOSEMPEROR 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is the first recommended video by youtube that I actually love.

  • @alexandriariley5209
    @alexandriariley5209 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I just have to wonder if this video will eventually end up on his site.

  • @randyrainbow6692
    @randyrainbow6692 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was having a really crappy day until I stumbled across this video and I almost peed my pants laughing. You REALLY need to post a picture of this clown because I'll bet EVERY Paul Mitchel in the world is having his neighbours avoid them like the plague just in case they are THAT GUY!!!!.

  • @matts.6234
    @matts.6234 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I was interested in the guy who wrote the book so I looked it up. In his words, he litigated in People v Boxer, which I could find from another source, was decided in 1902.
    Yeah... this is why you should check sources, because it looks real, but it's faker than plastic fruit.

  • @StephenBlower
    @StephenBlower 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think people who archive all this old stuff are awesome. I understand it, as when I've searched for old stuff and ended up on an archived page that has what I was looking for I always think, that's bloody brilliant that someone somewhere has kept this stuff. All this information is useful, no data should be thrown away. All printed materials should be scanned and digitised, even your local stores discount brochures.Well maybe not that last thing, but why not?

  • @MrFowlancer
    @MrFowlancer 7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    "I have 10 milion threads of 4chan" - I'm so wet right now

  • @Penningtontj
    @Penningtontj 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Best description of a vexatious litigant ever.

  • @culwin
    @culwin 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Thanks for the recommendation of an 8 year old video, TH-cam.

    • @TheDuked
      @TheDuked 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I do love it when the algorythm chucks you some old but good ones!

    • @RealIronyIsGood
      @RealIronyIsGood 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Assuming this isn't sarcastic I totally agree.

    • @fatherfintanstack8810
      @fatherfintanstack8810 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But why not though? Just cause it's old? I'm kind of happy it does this.

    • @TheDuked
      @TheDuked 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@fatherfintanstack8810 Same 100%, often just because the video quality is slightly lower does not mean the actual content is any lower in quuality.

    • @fatherfintanstack8810
      @fatherfintanstack8810 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheDuked You're a good man!

  • @My2CentsWorth1
    @My2CentsWorth1 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am so happy that the presenter uploaded all of moonbat's rantings and ravings to it's own site.... that is amazing!

  • @davidmcconchie3594
    @davidmcconchie3594 8 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I wonder if he sued TH-cam.

  • @user-mp3eq6ir5b
    @user-mp3eq6ir5b 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love This!
    You Owe $97 million... but... I will settle for $25 until "Next Tuesday"
    "Sovereign Citizen"