BIGGEST Building - LOWEST Cost - Post Framing with RR Buildings!
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On this fun episode, Matt makes it all the way up to Franklin Gove, IL in his mini-van to visit Kyle from rrbuildings.com/ - Kyle specializes in building Post Frame Structures also used as Barndominiums (NOT POLE BARNS) We wanted to wrap our head around how well these things are built... Also, Kyle has a SWEET TH-cam channel you should check out right this moment.
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Thanks for coming and hanging out with Greg and I! It was awesome showing you guys around
Been watching Kyle and Greg a LONG time and that the cleanest I've ever seen that shop...
I've been following both of you for years and it's awesome to see you both on 1 video. Now I need to save up for a post frame shop/house.
Greg and *me*
Awesome.
Literally found Matt through R&R - great stuff by both!
First your on Essential Craftsman podcast, now you're hanging out with RR buildings! You're killing it Matt.
I found this so fascinating. I can tell that Kyle takes pride in his work. Exactly the type of person I would want to build a house for me if that were possible.
Such a gorgeous book - each shed is unique and inspiring, and I love all the tiny details Kotite features to help readers imagine how to create their own She Sheds th-cam.com/users/postUgkxe9yi0sulKgsp0VJJCIrLWWkvVqcU7LFR . The feature on Dinah's Rustic Retreat is like something from a fairy tale. It's really inspiring to see how creative all these ordinary people are in making beautiful and useful spaces on a modest scale.
Risinger doing collabs with all my go-to TH-camrs. Who's next? Perkin Brothers?
Yes, please!
That would be awesome!
That would be cool. I’ve been following those guys since their infancy.
With This Old Tony making machined parts for the house. Mike Farrington building the furniture. Collab heaven. And think of the Ray Jay videos that would come out of it!!! Beccaaaa!!! Matt's coming over...😁
@@hansangb Mike Farrington and/or Andy Rawls on the furniture!
I've watched many of the RR videos. These guys are machines. They start and just go. They clearly know what they are doing.
Their finish work is impeccable and they are scary accurate measuring square. I'd love to have someone that meticulous build something for me but wow is that level of care hard to find!
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At first I thought they were wasting their insane talents but after following them for a year I see them as the perfect machines for their type of construction! No one could beat them at their game so why would they do anything different?
"There's no Header requirement" - every carpenter's head in the land snaps up.
I also love that each Truss lands in the post notch(shortened 2x6) and loads on a post on a foundation point-load.
This is large scale engineering, all aligned on point-loads, just like concrete hi-rises. Superior.
Absolutely spot on. Post frame building are often seen as the "cheaper" building, but I believe they are better engineered than stick frame. This is why I'm designing my house as post frame.
You get so much overhead clearance as well as usuable space from these buildings and they take fractions of the time to build
Wow, I clicked and was prepared to see a vlog about barn spaces, and was blown away by the possibilities. Thanks!
You see a plumbing-job like 25:00 and you _know_ that someone takes pride in their work :)
Been following Kyle and Greg for years. They make it look simple.
Great episode. I've watched some of Kyle's other post frame videos but I guess I've not seen any of his residential building stuff. I've always wondered why there isn't more of this style of construction. If I were to build a new house, this is the way I'd go. Thanks for the great content Matt.
This dude is living my dream. Huge garage. Cars. 5th wheel. Gym. Omg
I'm a big fan of the build show, and rrbuildings. I would love to see rrbuildings more on the build show network.
Kyle is a very focused builder. The thing I am most impress with is his use of mobile equipment to improve job efficiency and safety. RR Building has not skimped on job tools. Probably part of why they put together awesome buildings.
And can hit the price point they do. Knocking something like a 20x80 garage out in 7 working days with 2 men is incredible and it's because they don't have to stand around figuring out how to lift things , brace them there and reposition to lift again, etc. Everything built on the ground (big timesaver) and lifted once , done!
So nice to see two favorite youtubers in the same frame (!) Matt does a great job with additional commenting that really makes his interviews easy to grasp for a layman. Also nice to see some snow on the channel! Cheers from northern Sweden
Thanks Matt for taking the time to show off Matt’s great work. This video is proof of how flexible post frame construction is. It was very helpful to show the successive stages of construction. I’ve been subscribed to Kyle. Now I’m also subscribed to you (having also seen you visiting Stud Pack’s fancy garage).
Theres not a better channel to learn framing and attention to detail in finishing than RR Buildings. Kyle can build some monster projects, but his ultimate highlightskill is metal finishing imo. He's showing surgeon like cutting skills, he's dancing with those scissors man. Ultimate respect!
Matt thanks for this crossover. I am a big fan of both channels. One thing you overlooked when you were at the first building and talking about how fast it goes up is the labor factor. 5 days got it from bare ground, site layout, piers dug and poured, to skeleton frame with a roof. 2 guys did that! Amazing craftsmanship and attention to detail as well. Kyle and Greg are a well oiled machine!
Two of my favorite TH-cam Builders! Gotta love true craftsmanship! Thank you guys both for excellent content. Love you guys!!
I built Bonanza Builds right out of high school for a couple of years , and we where making hotels , office buildings , and homes out of them , and that was 1984 ! The only new tech. is the base of the column going into the ground .
I shouldn’t be as excited as I am that Matt is highlighting Kyle and even more importantly... post frame. Both of these guys are awesome.
I did know I needed that colab and I am glad it happened. Kyle and Greg are just impressive to watch. If zoning permits it, post frames are amazing value for sure.
Matt, I have been trying to figure out my next step in what I was doing and I do believe that We have hit a Grand Slam!!!! (as we put it back in Boston)
So it is time to get some shut eye but I do believe that we have some things that we need to think about and some other things to juggle around but this has been one of the most informative videos that I have come across and I’m extremely grateful that I did. Looking forward to having a good chat 👍😎🤝🙏👍
I’m a general contractor and I just want to say you guys are awesome! You guys take your detail to an amazing level
RR is an A+ builder! Love watching his videos. Very satisfying with OCD
Agree 100%! Kyle's a perfectionist and a great teacher👍
This tour was 100% worth it.
This is great stuff. I love the simple barn style with the ability to adapt to a home setting. beautiful. 👍🇺🇸
Very nice, I’ve dabbled a little in to post frame construction. I also built a 2-1/2 story tree house for the grandkids. Half bath and laundry with work station on first floor, full bath, small kitchen and living room on second floor and sleeping on upper loft . Unsupported deck , ski light , slides , climbing wall . Coming yet ,fireman drop pole and zip line and connect deck to house deck . I spent a year in court educating the codes department after being red tagged ,all’s good now !!!
Kyle and Greg are great to watch and learn from.
Kyle really shows the small points, and his attention to detail is so very impressive.
Cheers from Tokyo!
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I’m so glad to see a post framed structure on here. I started using these several years ago for spec houses. I sub out the shell to a Mennonite crew , they are fast and very very affordable. they will raise it in a just few days. It has a 9” cavity for insulation and continuous thermal seal. I like to use blown in for this application.
Since it’s wide open floor you can divide the space up however you like and dress the exterior/ interior in any style you want.
I would wager it’s less expensive and more cost effective than any SIPs kit or traditional stick framed structure and just as well insulated if not better.
My dad built the first “pole” barn in our county back it 1952. It was called a “pole” barn because at that time they were built from used telephone poles. They aren’t built that way anymore but incidentally, that shed is still standing and being used for machinery storage.
Dude that was not the first pole barn lmao
@@wondernugger 'in our county'...reading comprehension
@@wondernugger yeah, "in our county", you know what a county is, right? Like the other guy said, reading comprehension.
Great job with all the details...
I love this style build. Decision made. Im building a post frame barndo. Definitely doing black and white steel. I like the stem wall foundation the best. I like that alot of space can be covered with steel inside ruling out heavy drywall that needs multiple finishes. The post frame design makes for fast building results too. I guess we'll leave old school pole barn construction up to the Amish folk. Glad to see you two guys get together in a video. Great work you guys do.
I’m lucky enough to be in the RR Buildings service area. He built a building about 10-15 minutes away from my house and it’s one of the most beautiful buildings I have ever seen
Wow thanks man which one
@@RRBuildings the white one south of Earlville
I've seen a few myself, beautiful buildings. And I've seen Kyle at the local menards on a few occasions but didn't want to bother him. Definitely does great work. 👍
same, hopefully have him build me one soon although i don't wanna see what covid has done to my quote :(
@@kevins9576 next time say hi!
I like Kyle. You can tell he is a go getter and works hard. He's going to make a great life for himself and excellent buildings for his customers.
Excellent video guys, lots of great information that applies to the area we live in. I am a builder in Ohio getting ready to put my 4200sqft home up for sale that I built 2 years ago. After I had seen Kyles first few videos on building post frame buildings, I knew that is what I wanted to build on a property we purchased last year. It will be 60x120 divided into 3... 40 foot sections, House with basement, Party barn in the center and my shop on the other end. So I have really appreciated being able to watch and pick up so many great ideas that will apply to our build in the near future. Thanks Again
Really great video Matt and Kyle; showing the buildings in different stages and then styles when finished was cool. Thanks.
I nerded out so hard seeing this colab. If Matt and Kyle worked together on a couple buildings, the possibilities are endless. Efficiency perfected.
My two favorite youtubers, you guys are amazing. Thank you for building for the future and not just for the dollar in your pocket.
With the pandemic price gouging on lumber, stick building is getting outrageously expensive and sheeting with plywood is extremely costly, too. So I've been looking at alternative building solutions. Post-frame and SIP are the ones I've been considering. The estimates are a lot less for both compared to stick building, but post-frame is coming in closer to our budget. Like he said it, gets dried in faster and gives more inside working comfort. Seeing the skeleton of a post-frame is something I can appreciate. My wife is still a little skeptical, but she's starting to trust my judgement. Thanks for the tours and the information! I'll be checking his channel out! Thanks for the video!
I used to build post steel buildings. They are still as. Solid. As the day they were built.
I am glad to see that they. Are being diversified to other uses than barns and storage,,garages etc.
His mum n dads is my favourite out of em all, they have all been exceptional buildings and the “sheds” are just as good but recently he’s been doing a lot more internal work so you can see people are jumping over to that style of home
I watched them build the Hunting Cabin. Great project.
More like hunting lodge
I know this is an old video, but I really appreciated the banter back and forth about the mechanical room. 😂
Man, RRBuildings was one of the first professional TH-cam channels I came across a few years ago when I was considering building my first home. The simplicity and versatility of the core structure, and the fact that I would have been building by myself from start to finish with no additional manpower made it really appealing. Can't complain about the low cost, either!
I ultimately ended up buying an existing 20 year old house, simply because the cost per square foot in the area I was looking in is so low (
The RR Team is one of the best. Love seeing these collaboration videos.
RR's builds are so impressive. The guys are obsessed with quality.
I can not believe that I am witnessing this conversation !!! (I hope that Kyle mentions Matt's visit). If Norm Abrams showed up well ~. I guess I would just think my days had ended and I had gone into the white. ~. Matt ~. You have no idea! ~. This video is epic. ~. I hope that you give Kyle credit for this one. Whew weeee. Oh my goodness. !!!
Thanks for the video we put up a post frame barn years ago but with conventionel siding and shingle roof it has been a well used bulding. I would suggest to anyone that is planning to explore post frame structures.
Huge fan of both of you guys. I’ve been learning a lot from both of you for the past few years and absolutely appreciate your content!
I rate this video, 4/4 awkward fist bumps 🙌
Nice video fellas.
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Awesome. The one thing I heard, that I'd do differently, is to use rockwool instead of fiberglass. I like ICF for its bullet-proof durability and LEED certification, but shy of that, this looks like way to do it. And closed cell spray foam is really hard to beat.
Absolutely one of the most informative videos on this subject. Wish you guys were in Central TX. I need to build a home that is just outside the flood plain. The way I understand post framing construction I can build at whatever height off the ground I need to. Referrals of builders in the Austin area would be great. Thank you.
This is one of the best videos I’ve seen in quite awhile. Kyle said numerous times “you can do anything with post frame” and he’s right! I’ll be doing a post frame (God willing) in the next year or two
Did you get it done?
@@owenjosiahmusic no he was busy watching construction TH-cam
There needs to be more of this style of building. In a lot of areas the cost of housing has inflated to where there is no such thing as affordable housing. I wish I had the means to develop areas with simple, basic homes that meet the needs of low-income home buyers.
Well, while it is true that this type of construction has a low cost per square foot, this has nothing to do with "affordable housing" RR builds large, expansive play structures which have nothing to do with meeting basic housing requirements, for people with a lot of money. The 5,700 sq ft "hunting cabin" is an example. Not that there's anything wrong with that, if thats what you want and you can afford it. Just saying, this isn't "affordable housing" in any way.
@Tyler what about the cost of land?
@Tyler $85/sq.' is a great price for spaces that are big, open and flexible, but those are not the typical criteria for "affordable housing". A typical "manufactured home", a boring ranch-shaped box with 8' ceilings, built to federal standards, would run less than half that much, and with decent foundation could be just as permanent. The challenge, of course, would be building at near that cost without the low-budget look of a trailer park, and you'll see some pretty attractive examples on the internet, of manufactured houses with just enough amenities to look more like homes than boxes. The system shown here is much more affordable than most other systems for building custom houses, but it doesn't strike me as a useful approach for housing the masses.
Local building codes and regulations kill post frame in most neighborhoods
Never disappointed in your vids Matt. Always stay with them to the end.
You and Kyle both have the people skillset that buyers need to be comfortable with their projects.
great presentation Matt and John. I had the sound mutted but I just know you talked so much sense from the multitude of hand gestures and the awy your trucking, cant wait for the next one, you guys really kill it wow. Time lapse showing the complete construction just doesn't do it the way talking heads does, what more can I say ...again wow, and so many numbers and figures flashing up on the screen too wow.
Years ago I built several pole barns and l love the improvements in this type of post framing.
I would love to have a post frame home, particularly build by Kyle. I however have got to get out of IL. Kudos to Kyle for his professionalism and Matt for the presentation.
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@@MaximusMerideus yeah
Two of my favorite youtubers and educators.
man, I liked pole buildings, but this post framing is indeed next level. Love the detail on the posts for the porch and pretty much everything about the "hunting mansion". That mechanical room is a work of art. A friend of mine has the white metal on the ceiling of his shop, the reflectivity on its own makes it an easy sale!
I like a man who tells us the price of the project. Too many builders are scared to give a ball park starting point.
This is the first time Kyle has mentioned a ball park on pricing. I'm thankful for the info...because this is exactly what I want to do and it's in my budget.
Too many people throw in randow requests and specific details and want a price in the first fifteen minutes. 🙄
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@@danielbuckner2167 my building would have been much cheaper but I wanted a laundry list of bull shit lol. 5 roll doors a full bath and a vehicle lift plus accommodations for my power hammer and a very flat floor for the machine shop side. Added an easy 40% increase in price all said and done.
@@jeffreyhill1011 for real man, a simple box is cheap but all the add-ons add up quick!
My parents have been talking about building a barn and living in it. Thank you! For showing me that it's not that crazy and is doable.
Big fan of both your channels ....... super glad this came together!!!!! LOVE IT
Very Impressive! Love the enthusiasm and strive for excellence. You guys are all awesome.
That is called a clerestory in architecture world in that last house. Sweet!
The only 2 building channels I've been subbed to for years are these 2, so that's funny that there is some colab here. Didn't expect that.
I really appreciate the attention to detail and the quality work!
@ 24:20, OMG that looks awesome! Hopefully that's a video too. Kyle's building ideas make a lot of sense, definitely interested now. Thanks MR.
It is becoming more popular in Tennessee as well. The last two houses I have built have been post framed... Keep up the great work R&R !!
Where in Tennessee do you build? Will be looking for a builder soon
@@proangler4721 Middle TN. Wilson, Smith, DeKalb , Trousdale
@@jamesellis7677 looking to end up closer to 75 between Knox and Chattanooga but could end up anywhere when we start looking for land. Will keep you in mind and thanks for the reply.
First off, Love seeing collab vids w/ other channels; and Kyle and Greg from RR Buildings are great ppl👍🏻 Absolutely love them and their channel, and the work they do. Do like that you changed your mind about “Pole Barns” vs “Post Frame” building Matt😉 and, imo, it true what Kyle said....Post Framing is different then “Pole Barns”.
22:16 This “Cabin in the Woods” project is in my Top 5 Favs of all time that Kyle (& Greg, can’t forget him) have done, so much so, it’s in the #1 spot right now & #2 is Kyle’s Parents House....so cool! Just a great looking building, and watching from start to finish was amazing, really show EVERYTHING they do (even mistakes, and then how they FIX THEM, nothing gets “edited”) on a project and we appreciate that, & yes, some may find certain areas “boring” than others....but that’s why there’s a ⏩ button on TH-cam 🥲
For you Matt, your hidden doors (secret rooms, passage ways, and the awesome Sugatsune hinges) are some of my favorite vids of yours.[side note: will be finally starting new remodel next week, as just waiting on final approval of plans. This house is actually mine, and I have about 3 doors that will be using the Sugatsune hinges on and making 3 hidden “rooms” and I’M SO EXCITED ABOUT. Used to use Soss hinges and “other brands” until you turned me unto the Sugatsune. The #1 thing LOVE about them, easy to install off the frame, and then can adjust any direction need to when door is up. They really are “cabinet hinges” and it makes ppl who don’t necessarily have the “skill set” to use these for doors, b/c they are just like I stall8mg a kitchen/bathroom cabinet.
Thanks for always showing us the “building science/technology” that goes into Construction, which pretty much most homeowners/clients never see, nor care about (they just want a building/home that looks good, functions great, and built well making it last for long long time).
Love the building science that goes into Construction, and it’s come a long long way from just 20 yrs ago even. Hoping some day, we will catch up to some of the European Building practices, especially there Windows and doors; they are awesome, and as you can get them here in USA; it still isn’t as easy as the traditional stuff we are used to😉
Sorry about long novella of a comment, just get happy about seeing “stuff” like this too; us “nerds” gotta stick 2gether🤣
Cheers Matt, Kyle, Greg, and crew to make this video possible🙏🏼✌🏻
Enjoyed the video Matt. Kyle does some impressive work. Thanks for the video and y'all take care and God bless.
Super cool. Love that you highlighted this type of construction.
holy shit that plumber on the last house *chef's kiss. I was a maintenance plumber before becoming a commercial construction manager and damn that's great work.
I thought for sure there’d be a clip at the end announcing Kyle as the latest builder coming onto the build show network:)
soooo much info in this vid ... more than sometimes RR explains ... big fan of both .... thanks Matt!
I love it. I used to build pole barns and always thought it was a great idea for building a house, like he says, no need for headers, etc. I am surprised you still use ringshanks and not screws. It is faster and works well enough but screws hold better, longer.
Where in "middle of nowhere" Illinois? I lived near a tiny town called Ellisville. It is middle of nowhere.
I like that the house can be inside the building and have storage on top and be like inside the garage instead of attached to it. Put a 2 foot crawl under for easy plumbing and heating repairs or alterations in the future, just a smarter way to build. One downside, no cell service in an all metal building.
I really hope cities open up their code more for post framing, it's such a cool concept and the value from them is unbelievable.
This type of building has been in the code for 60 70 years
Kyle is my favorite builder! Love his post frame buildings. We just built a “barndominium” and love it!
My post frame shop was framed like a regular house with the walls laid on their side. Foam sill gasket was put down on the slab, with treated 2x6s tapcond down. 8ft wall sections were built with 2x6 horizontal girts on 2ft centers nested inside vertical 2x6 "posts" and screwed to the treated sill plate. The trusses were set where the wall sections meet.
KYLE is THE MAN!! I've been watching his channel for years and it really makes me want to do carpentry again.
My favorite 2 constructions shows by far, I’ve learned a ton from these two guys
if i ever move to illinoise, i will have kyle build my barndominum.. nice work as always RR.
Please do
Really good construction, a solid step up from the pole barn. Good video. Thanks. That corner X bracing is kinda what they do in Japan. My guess is that the girds(?) are strong enough to hold the whole wall together if there's a twisting force, tornado, earthquake. I never gave much thought to a traditional framing brace running diagonally across multiple stud bays until I was in Kumumoto, Japan a month after a serious earthquake in 2016. Those braced corners didn't do much, the structures twisted about 15-20 degrees and the roof collapsed the whole 1-2 story building. What's different is there was nothing like the girds tying all the 'stud' bays and the whole wall into a single plane.
I went all over Japan, roads, bridges, modern sky scrapers - all built to the highest international standards. Domestic houses, barns, small businesses - wood structures I saw zero effctive bracing (but I didn't see much new construction) It was weird. I think they based the structure on the Chinese temple structure which is very earthquake resistant, but then to make houses and barns they eliminated the key features that make the temples so resilient. (And a critical factor are those heavy clay tile roofs. The old shack on a steep hill that I live in will survive earthquakes - been through dozens already - is because everything is so light weight)
This Post Framed structure? I want one. And if I was still thinking about the bracing... I'd ask, or pay for the extra engineering to reassure me.
The cupola. Good detail. If you had any kind of a below grade basement with windows (small basement windows work well I know from experience) then just opening up the cupola windows would keep the whole house cool in the summer. My dad did this on our house in Michigan (but had a huge ceiling fan instead of the cupola). In ... Mississippi (I think) an antebellum mansion was a multistory octagon, cupola with windows... don't remember the details - but same convection idea - stayed cool. And the high school my son taught at in Japan had clerestory windows that a thermostat mechanically opened and closed. No other air conditioning. Cool and good air movement in the hot summers. Japan gets as hot as the midwest.
I was thinking of getting a piece of land, big barn and an Airstream parked outside. It would be really easy to just build a nice weekend home on a second level along one side.
Matt, very cool to see you up in our neck of the woods! Thanks for highlighting some of our local builders!
Not my cup of tea architecturally, but for decent cost-effective buildings, hard to beat the speed/price. Blower door test would be interesting - how well does the house wrap stop air leaks?
There is no way this building is just going to blow away. You want to see buildings that will blow away go check out cheap track houses. The drywall and finishes probably hold up great because it is being done in a completely dried in space. You can even take it to the next level by climatizing the interior for the build out. Awesome stuff.
What about earthquakes... hurricanes?
I had a 30x60 pole frame building put on my property 2 years ago. It's got two large garage doors separated by about 6 ft so there's plenty of room between them, and the last 16 feet of its length is a music/rehearsal room./man cave. And I'm even putting a "rough" man cave in the shop section. This building is a dream come true for me. The concrete floor is smooth like Costco which allowed me to put a beautiful wood floor in the music room.
By the way, the music room has a lot of the same things going for it that a sports bar does.
And the building cost about as much as a new toyota. Where I live there are no building permits required but the one down side of this building is there is no water, at least not yet.
Kyle is a Absolutely awesome craftsman love to work along side him for a month a true inspiration to the youth of today, cracking video guys Legend Matt all the best Tony 👍
Matt is the cross-over king! More of this!
Client: "I'd really love a 'cabin' that feels like an empty Ashley Furniture warehouse store."
Nailed it!
These have got to be over 20x the conditioned space a normal home. probably leak like crazy too
I think Kyle said (in one of his videos) their furniture had been held up by covid and they put stuff in temporarily.
@Stephen That's more my style. 😏
He made a comment in one of his last videos on that series that the customers huge furniture order was delayed.
This is awesome not sure why this suddenly popped up on my feed. I watch your channel all the time but live very close to these guys. That is awesome. Love middle of no where Illinois as well.
I've been interested in this type of building for a while thank you for showing it off. Nice work keep it up
That’s some intense floor joist spacing on that loft.
Ikr what the hell are they planning on putting up there?
Huh....when you recognize every build in this video, I guess I'm an RR fan! 😁 Just invite the Essential Craftsman next time and Finish Carpentry TV to, well, do some wainscoting and life will be complete!
Now that would be EPIC!
I built a music studio in my old pole barn. I love it. Super efficient and tight building. More comfy then our house!
Loving the collab videos, hopefully you do more of these.
Almost bought a house once w an outbuilding so big guy could back his whole semi trailer in the left side rig in the middle still had an open bay ( it’s deep enough for a semi trailer. Upstairs studio bathroom kitchen two 12x 12 bedrooms on opposite corners and the main area had to be 30x30 . It was a mans heaven. That why wife at the time said no . I said why , she said because you’d never come to the main house lol
I like the fact that these seem to focus on work-live type situations for craftsman.
Cool buildings. Dang, that plumbing work is gorgeous. I can't compliment the plumber enough. Fantastic plumbing work!
Matt, thanks for the intro to Kyle "RR Buildings" bacame instant sub ... great stuff by both