As a linguist and language teacher, I never fail to be impressed by Roman's English; if I am not mistaken, he has never even lived in an anglophone country. Real talent.
@@myvicariouslife4012 in Russian his name is spelled Роман, the second vowel being the stressed one. And when the Russian o is not stressed it's pronounced like an a-sound. The exact equivalent of which hardly exists in English. The wovelsound of "rum" being the best comparison. I'm sure though that if you pronounce his name the same as you would the demonym of a person from Rome, Roman himself would be totally fine with that!
Hey there! I'm from Russia and I'm a B2 English speaker. For me it was pretty easy to understand both Marina and Roman. BUT, the difference is that LinguaMarina is constantly translating the words from her native language to English and it's noticable, while Roman feels absolutely comfortable and it seems like he keeps a range of word constructios in his head in English and just got used to them, so he doesn't need to translate all the time, you see? That's what makes his speech sound more natural. He does everything possible to THINK in English. Plus, it seems like Roman's sooo into American culture, whereas Marina appears to be in Russian environment all the time (even though she lives in America). P.S. I don't wanna offend anybody and I think that every person who learns a foreign language deserves a high five! I only assumed what could make sound each of them them a little different
@@counterfeit9187What’s the difference between fluency and proficiency? I feel like it might be that part, what you mentioned about how he can do it all directly in English even internally. I mean he probably doesn’t have to translate it in his head when he hears English speech (or reads English text). So maybe the understanding is completely automatic by this point, and he can also then respond in English with seemingly no pause, it just flows out verbally this way…which makes me think that cognitively he’s even just “talking” in this language in his own head, too- so literally thinking in English, then!? Like “English mode” exists independently within his own thoughts whenever he is using it.
Yes, Marina doesn’t understand that Americans can’t stand snobbish and show offs. Marina doesn’t speak good English but yet tries hard to convince others that she does. She also loves to show off her life style and it’s so pathetic. The other guy Roman is also a show off who tries so hard to pretend a real American with all his F words, gestures, accent is heavy, and this is also pathetic. These people do look pathetic
Roman uses words like "thingy", "Sharpie"...lived in the UK for 15 years, these are really everyday words that people use. He uses "as hell", "bootleg"...I think his vocabulary is way more advanced, he also speaks quicker and sounds a million times more relaxed (however it could also be to differences in their personalities).
I speak five languages and, connecting to your point on swearing at the end, I think the ultimate test of understanding of a language is jokes and insults.
Hi! Not sure I agree. I think English teaching should bring you to a good understanding and expression level, and the rest is to be learned from experience. But I’m not a teacher, so just my two cents
Roman is a truly gifted speaker, he is very relatable in his video, and he is genuine and sincere, he lives and feels but he doesn’t pretend. On the other hand Marina pretends a lot, she feels the need to portray a perfect life in a fancy car. She desperately needs to project success to fool her gullible audience and generate more views. Does it feel authentic to me? hell, no. Her English is decent but she tries to put on a fake American accent. I prefer Roman’s raw Russian accent , it is strong but it is genuine like Roman is himself.
Yeah, I was searching for the words to describe how Marina speaks and you've nailed it. She is trying to sound right, not only English wise, but her agenda wise, so she is "searching" for the right words and that makes her fluent English not so fluent. She stops for the right words. Roman- I honestly, don't hear his accent, let alone raw Russian accent. So I'm not sure what you're talking about when you say " it is strong".
What's wrong with mastering an accent? Why is it fake? Part of knowing the language is knowing the phonetics. When I had a speaking exam the teachers also evaluated the pronunciation.
LoL it is 2023 and people still believe a youtuber with a million subscribers just sits down in front of his camera and starts talking just like that, saying whatever comes to his mind, no plan, no rehearsals, and then just uploads it all as is and there you go. Right....
Roman is almost at native level. One of my cousins is the same and its mind blowing because like Roman she’s never lived in an English speaking country. I can imagine that marina is much easier for people to understand who are not native speakers. Roman talks really fast and uses slang.
In his latest video, Roman was thrilled by you labeling him the GOAT. His secret to learning English: listening to lots of American rap, playing lots of GTA, and hanging out in 4Chan type chat rooms.
As a native English speaker from southern England, they both sound good, but Roman does sound more natural .He speaks very much in a “street” style, which fits with his age , personality and content. I’ve listened to a lot of his videos, also collaborations with other TH-camrs such as Bald and Bankrupt . For someone who’s never visited an English speaking country, he’s impressive for sure. As for both using “like”, in a sort of “quotative informal” way, it’s not how I’d use the language, but that could be an age thing. I notice that many non-native speakers like to use it to sound more natural . It can, depending on context. I’d say it’s used more by North Americans , but used to excess can sound a bit “valley girl” and not well educated. It is used frequently in the UK too, but mostly by those who fall into a younger demographic, under forty.
@@davesenglishTubular! No honestly, we say "like" a lot. If we want to sound professional, we don't. But otherwise, yeah, we do. And you would think that it's an age thing, but I do it too and I'm 64. And I reached back in my memory, I thought about this a long time ago, we were using "like" when I was in high school. Sometimes we even use it in place of "said" Example: She was like "so I went downtown" And he was like "did you see Joe?" (I can never think of sentences to stick into those places) If I wrote that properly I would have started with quotes and then gone on to single quotes and back out and that's just too much trouble. There are quotes within quotes up there. And I'm lazy. Also if I was actually typing with my fingers I would probably punctuate. If I could find the punctuation keys. My brother has spent so much time voice typing on his phone that he leaves messages for people with the words "question mark" at the end. Because he's used to doing that. I will leave the punctuation out as long as people can still understand me. About accents, there are some American accents which are difficult to understand if you're from Boston. And since I now watch BBC World News America I'm getting English and Irish and Scottish and various parts of England, and then Australian and oh my goodness, people from New Zealand. I totally respect your right to pronounce all E's as what do you call those? Long E's? I used to know the stuff in first grade phonics. But I don't remember it. That was a long time ago. I respect your right to do so but it's really hard to understand. Captions are my friends. I love captions. I love subtitles. I watch medical dramas which were not captioned by people who know medicine. And I am not a medical professional, but I can tell when they're wrong. Dear Chicago Med, please get a human medical professional to caption your show. We don't have these problems with Grey's Anatomy and ER and The Good Doctor. At least it's not as bad as automated captioning for the 1972 series Emergency! "I need bold colors and a hacksaw!" Yeah, that was "bolt cutters." But hey, they gave it a shot. It's better than not having captions, but on the other hand, Back in the '70s and the '80s and probably the '90s, people on television shows enunciated better than they do now. Now they just don't. And then there's music... I will do a retraction on Grey's Anatomy. Patrick Dempsey mumbles. On my DVR I didn't have captions. My brother rewound a sentence five times to try to figure out what he was saying. I'm still trying to figure out whether back in the '70s '80s and '90s it wasn't important to us or to me that I got every word, or people just enunciated better. And the sound quality was better. Vox did a whole thing on why you need to watch TV with the captions on now. And if English isn't your first language, captions help. If it's a complex topic, captions help. If I'm watching somebody speaking Polish, I am desperate for captions. There is a 38-year gap in my attempts to learn languages. And I'm still only fluent in English. But I'm not trying that hard. And I didn't pick an easy language. (Granted, it's not Mandarin. But I sure wish there were video games when I was trying to learn Polish. I'm sure it would have helped. If I liked video games. We didn't even have the internet back then.)
Roman and Marina are nowhere near the same level. Roman is pretty much native US gamer bro, whereas Marina regularly makes absolutely honking grammatical errors ('How is it called?' is UNFORGIVABLE for an English teacher)
For me it's about fluency in speaking in general, no matter in Russian or English. He doesn't care how he speaks. He has just a lot of fun. And probably you like it this man, because he boosts his level of energy and yours.
Fellow Russian here. To my ear they both sound great, their speech is confident and intelligible. I even picture them sitting in the same English speaking class for advanced students, they’re just two different types of students. Both capable of getting the highest grades, though. I don’t prefer one or the other.
Roman speaks a lot more naturally, I find it easier to listen to him because its more organic sounding and relaxed. Hes able to express himself more naturally :)
I absolutely agree, but the thing is that in a room of coworkers whose english is a second language, it's the best english speakers that the colleagues have the biggest problem understanding. People who are bad at english understand this very simplified and almost textbookie way of speaking better. They get thrown off by hearing words being used in any way they're not used to (like it's actually used between native speakers) and they're thrown off by a good cadence and accent. They learned the language from teachers with strong foreign accents and have trouble adapting to correct speech and when they see a correctly used idiom, they think it's incorrect or don't understand, because it's a first for them and if you're bad at a language you've been studying since primary school, you're probably not that fast at adapting. In a nutshell, Roman's english is a work of art and it's beautiful, but the lady's english is easier to process by the types of people we actually encounter at work
i think Marina sounds just as smooth and natural as Roman, but they are just two different people. and i don't mind her trying to sound more american and not using a lot of advanced words or any type of slang, or swear words in her vlogs. idk it's just the way she feels the most comfortable expressing herself in this language. and like i don't think she's even being hypocritical by uploading "don't say that" types of videos, bc they're kind of helpful for people who are trying to prepare for exams like ielts. i know there are some better sources for learning this stuff, but when you're procrastinating on youtube, it's nice to see that kind of content. but yeah, if only there weren't so many mistakes in her videos.. anyway, thank you for your videos, they're really really helpful and fun to watch!
Honestly, as a native Russian speaker, I would never have though that Roman was Russian 😂 I'd say (and I'm not an expert on this) there are two types of the Russian accent (the one he has like in bad Hollywood movies and the one most people have where you soften the sounds, not harden them). So I would have thought he was Irish or Scottish (again, not an expert on their accents). But he is definitely more pleasant to listen to (apart from cursing 😂). You can see that he KNOWS the language. Marina looks like a student next to him. She seems to be struggling with the language, thinking hard what words to use etc. He on the other hand just speaks it, he is much more confident.
He looks a little bit like a guy, who has learnt phrases from "poor/black neighborhood" and now is trying to imitate speech style and so one. He has a "chest voice", that differs him from typical russian, but he still has a strong russian accent. I don't like that pronunciation at all.
@@ifsomasiauc I wouldn't say that he speaks eng with a thick accent. Yeah, he doesn't sound like American but compared to the average Russian he sounds much better. At least his manner of speaking is kinda unique. I'm so sick of all those people who work their ass off to pass themselves off as natives. It's way better to be yourself than to try to be someone else.
Кстати, интересный факт: англоязычные пользователи часто оставляют под его видео комментарии, в которых предполагают что он Ирландец или изучал английский в Ирландии
@@Ghellia I'd have to say there is. Apparently, he lacks the most distinctive feature of an Irish (or Scottish for the matter) accent which in my opinion is singsongy intonation. He definitely learned his intonation and rhythm patterns by following and imitating American speakers, and he did a great job! However, his æ sound (like in 'cat') is way more back throat than in most American accents in which the sound is closer to e. He also occasionally shifts the 'cup' sound ʌ towards u, one of the features widely spread in some of the Irish dialects (listen to how the word 'but' is pronounced by most native Irish speakers and you'll hear what I mean). Unlike many Brits, people from Ireland enunciate their roaring R’s just like Americans do, so in combination with everything else said, I get why some associate him with Irish English, even though the features of the latter aren’t consistent in his speech. Still, some of his vowels are not typical for your standardized American accent and gravitate towards what can be heard on the British Isles at large and I suppose it makes him sound unusual to an American ear (I wouldn’t know for sure, I’m not American. This is just my educated or not so educated guess). Sorry for the lengthy response, I'm a huge fan of phonetics and adore hearing and analyzing different accents. How would you describe what you hear? I’d be curious to hear your take on his accent if that’s something of interest to you.
i feel like roman would be an excellent interpreter- i know he is a translator, but i feel he would be unstoppable as a consecutive or simultaneous interpreter.
Maybe i am too demanding, but i would not call the way Roman speaks "feeling the language". What he does - he merely uses some phrases that can easily be learnt like "cold as hell", "so fucking sad" or "holy shit". My opinion is that the feeling is not just knowing these phrases and not even ability to put them or synonyms into correct context not to make people laugh, but understanding the shades of meaning like more rude or more polite- something like that; an ability to distinct slang, literal , common and other kinds of words and not to mix them and at last ( and i consider this point the most important one ) to be able to speak in the same style. ( To exemplify my thought: you read two poems by two different poets and can easily tell one poet from the other , because the poets can feel the language and speak exactly the way they want to).
It has been interesting seeing how NFKRZ's english really improved since 2016. Its really developed very impressively for an person who isnt in an American country. One of the people who i think is the best non-native english speaker is youtuber ThaRixer, hes a danish youtuber, when I found it out he was danish I was more shocked at how easy it natural it was and how little accent there was. These two show the powers of learning a language online can be in my opinion! Great Video!
I don't think this is all about the ability to feel the language and speaking skills, I think this is connected to personality traits as well. These two people speak English exactly the way they speak Russian. Roman seems to be a smart, deep thinking person with a great sense of humor, this is the main reason why he uses a lot of metaphors, makes funny comparisons etc. IMHO, speaking skills still matter, but who speaks matters more at the levels C1-C2.
Oh, as a fellow liberal Russian I love Roman's channel and it's fire! I'd bucketed myself in the "feel the language" camp. I literally do not know a single grammar rule. But my listening and reading skills are just nearly as good as in my native language (Russian). I have some problems in writing due to lack of feedback, but, eh... will do. And I'm terrible at speaking which I'm fixing right now. All my experience roars that everything you need to do - is just use it. Just try and write, read, speak or listen. And it just happens. I don't know how, but it just is. Your channel is great, by the way, vastly underrated.
As for me, as a Russian person, it's a bit easier to understand Marina, but Roman sounds more natural. It seems that Marina still thinks in Russian, cause her sentences are soooo similar to Russian structure, u know.... As for Roman, I understood him, but some idioms were a bit difficult. And it's so funny that Marina says like YOU NEED TO DO THIS, THIS AND THIS TO BE FLUENT, ALTHOUGH SHE HERSELF IS NOT REALLY FLUENT 😮
Another Russian with C1+ English language here. Thinking in language really helps, but I find myself troubled to switch when I get stuck in the gray area where the thing I want to say is missing from my vocabulary in English or even Russian and I desperately try to translate from my other dictionary and then get languages messed in my brain.
Having listened to Roman I realize I will never be able to feel English the way he does, it seems to me that he's got some natural talent! I would gladly listen to more of his videos, does he have his own channel?
Buenas noches, yo no deseo hacer comparaciones, pero si prefiero agradecer a ambos profesores, por las enseñanzas que cada uno a su manera, nos dan. Gracias keep going
Came from NFKRZ's video. One thing that still trips me up to this day as a native Finnish speaker are the gender pronouns in English and Swedish, accidentally calling someone a 'he' when obviously talking about someone female like my mother. Since Finnish has no gender pronouns and people find such things out usually from context of the stuff you talk about. Though I've sometimes heard that 'he/him' is the pronoun native English speakers default to also sometimes, especially when speaking at a fast pace.
For some English speakers, "he/him" are the default pronouns. This is considered sexist by some. "They/them" (singular) are the default pronouns for some English speakers. This is considered woke by some.
Finnish is easy,possible to learn...looks like altaic languages,special turks languages....l also know turks languages(some)...can learn,but l dont care finnish,because at language list l want to learn it doesnt exist...
Dave, I can tell you that Roman definitely sounds more natural (in my opinion) than Marina. As for me, I could understand Marina's monologue better than Roman's one. He speaks faster and I'm not able to perceive his speach (with my B1-B2). Moreover, I try to watch many English videos on the TH-cam and I noticed that many people use the word "like" almost constantly. I guess it's like a parasite word. However, when I have to speak fast, I use it in order to have more time for thinking about grammatical constructions which I want to include in my conversation with somebody.
@@davesenglish, do you know VenyaPak from Lingua? I think it could be really interesting to rate his English in your next videos, if you don't do this before (I'm just a new subscriber)
idk if you're russian, but "like" in english is the same as "типа" in russian. they even have the same meaning in the sentences when it's used not as a parasite word (can't think of any examples tho). it took me a while to realize that, and since then i've been "liking" right and left lol.
If you watch many of Roman's videos, he uses "you know" frequently, however many native English speakers use the phase as well, as filler while thinking of what they'll say next.
I think the personal goals is what defines the speaking manner of both people. Marina is a Californian-wannabe hustler and she speaks exactly like a foreign implant that got to Cali to make it big would speak. They say bunch of pointless, superficial stuff and as long as it convinces someone "statusy" enough to invest in them, it works. So she speaks the way that fits best in her circle of like-minded people. Roman speaks like he caters to young, nihilistic "cool kids", a 4chan crowd. He also sounds like a "wannabe", tbh. I can say "shit" after every other word, or "kinda", or "like", and it will make me sound less intelligent, that's all. As an example of someone who knows English and also feels English, I can bring up Maria "Gentle Whispering". She lived in the US forever and she speaks excellent. The way she speaks shows how intelligent she is, and how well she integrated into the culture. She does use lots of idioms and phrasal verbs etc., and she does it naturally, because she's just a great English speaker. What I like the most about her speaking, is that the way she speaks English shows a certain individuality, while also being correct, fluent and genuine. It's just her. I haven't heard anyone speak the way she does. And it's awesome, I'd say it's the pinnacle of the speaking proficiency.
Swearing, to me (a woman in her 40's), doesn't project a lack of intelligence or sophistication, and I certainly don't think it sounds "wannabe"-ish. There is a flow in the way he speaks, and where he uses the curse words sounds very natural to me. As a person of certain tested intellect, and who swears a fair bit, his speech sounds far more natural than most folks you hear.
Yeah Dave , you're right, knowing and feeling there is sense , i remember when i was a child, i had a classmate, who knew grammar to perfection, but couldnt be good at writing the dictations , but me, on the contrary, i was good , perfect at writing, not knowing the rules perfectly😅
Marina might lie a lot, and a lot means a lot! She got a visa as an entrepreneur, and now her company does not work anymore. She got citizenship, and right away, she said, "You never know when the USA starts a war." By saying that, she meant she wanted to keep russian citizenship. Really? It might be nice to live now in a free country and be able to say such things, but why don't you say that your country started the war? She cannot say it even in the USA !! Once they came back from Russia, for some reason struggled to rent a house because of taxes. Ok, if you say to everyone, "I am a boss, and I m successful," how come you cannot rent a house? She lived for weeks using Airbnb because landlords required proof of income and a deposit. She makes ridiculous mistakes like "She eat, they does.." which means she does not work with Americans and does not read at all. For me, all her life looks completely fake. She teaches English and makes mistakes, she teaches how to apply to an American university, and she never studied in the USA, and she sells marketing courses, not being able to rent a house. Really? We call it "Info Gypsi": sell the dream or cheat!
I am absolutely appalled, I do realize how defective her English is in her videos, noticed several minor mistakes and errors which she doesn't correct while teaching, but I've never imagined that her private life is also fake
Hi Dave! A refugee from Roman's channel here! Another prominent Russian TH-camr you might like to analyse is Natasha. Her channel is Natasha's Adventures. She hails from Spassk, a small town near Vladivostok and has been making English language content for several years now. I think her English is just from school learning and practise. Albeit she doesn't swear at all, I'm afraid. In any event, great video. Very entertaining!😃
I follow Natasha too and enjoy her channel. Natasha did learn English from practice but she did go to a US university in I think Minnesota for some months before having to leave because of covid.
Hey Dave! :) NNET here. I do agree with most of your points but I just wanted to bring up a few points that might be worth considering. I feel like they both feel the language to a certain degree. Overall, Marina does make more mistakes by far but we need to keep in mind that Roman is using a way more informal language here sprinkled with profanity, so it might not be a fair comparison. Also, although Marina does generally make more mistakes, she is doing mostly ok in this clip. It might be discouraging for learners to think that if you speak like how Marina speaks in this clip, it means you don’t have a feel for the language. I genuinely believe she does feel the language! Otherwise, I totally agree that regardless of how much she feels the language, she makes a ton of mistakes and her “don’t say this/say that” vids are more harmful than helpful. I still do feel for her though. Being a non-native teacher, your sentences are picked to bits and that pressure is always there on the back of your mind. Hope you don’t think I have any bad intentions, just wanted to offer a different perspective! :)
I mean, I probably could have used better clips of Roman. He actually does have an advanced vocabulary if you listen to his other videos. And he actually uses his advanced vocabulary correctly. However, I don't think that she feels the language. If I were to talk to her in my most "native" voice (if that's a thing lol), I don't think she would catch a lot of what I'd say. I think Roman would. But as I said in the video, the way she speaks is totally fine, because knowing it at that level is still extremely impressive. As far as Marina, a lot of the word suggestions in her "don't say this..." video are many times quite odd, and something a native speaker wouldn't say, or totally off (like "sad" = "disappointed"). I don't feel for her, honestly, because of the bad advice that she gives. However, I think that the only things that should be critiqued as far as her mistakes and errors are her actual teaching videos. That's why in this video, I didn't say anything about mistakes or word choice, because it isn't the proper "teaching" video. Hell, I make a bunch of mistakes when I'm speaking off-the-cuff because my mouth can move faster than my brain. However, when she makes her teaching videos and releases them with errors, that's an issue. Either she doesn't know that she is making an error in a video, and therefore she should be teaching that particular topic, or she doesn't care, which is worse. I think it's the former. I don't think it's intentional. I would also argue that she isn't a teacher at all, but a TH-camr. Thanks for the comment! :)
I would like to hear Roman speak English in a less relaxed way without all that curse/swear stuff, bro... Giving a speech in a more delicate way so to say. Would he be as fluent and as eloquent as he sounds in the clip we've just seen. I am not Marina's fan at all, but I guess you are trying to compare two originally incompatible types of language usage, calling one of them " more fluent ".
I'm glad I discovered Roman's channel thanks to your video, subscribed to him (after subscribing to you of course :) Wish I become as fluent as him in English).
Marina's speech was more understandable for me, and I understood what Roman was talking about I watch sometimes his video but generally for me, he is talking too fast.
I like your video, but I think it's fair to say Roman loves it, In fact he loves it so much he just made a video of his own covering this, and he's now calling himself the Lionel Messi of English.
Roman has a great intuitive grasp of English. His accent is, in my humble opinion, often more related to things that no one really teaches, such as weak forms, than pronunciation of certain consonants. The most subtle things there are to learn about English. That isn't to say he shouldn't brush up on word transitions and adding some extra sounds to his pronunciations, but he's very close to perfecting his use of the language.
As Roma said in his reaction to this video, she's a white woman from California and he's a neighborhood Russian. So they both sound exactly like they should. ;-)
For me they both speak well and truly understandable. May be I haven’t caught some of Roman expressions thoroughly but I don’t really think that this is so important point in this particular situation. When people say something important they do it clearly and without equivocation no matter who they speak with. In other hand when the purpose is entertaining you can speak more colorful and don’t be afraid to be misunderstood. I see no reason to make your speech over complicated in real life all you can reach doing that is to be more vague for surrounding people. More complicated for me when I speak with native speakers is their accents (not necessarily foreign) and speaking specials, there are a lot of speakers in the US who has no teeth for instance. By the way - thanks again for the lesson and have a great day!
I like Roman, but he does some things that all non-native speakers do - they will use a word or phrase a lot. He says "this is insane" a lot. In English, we may say "crazy" instead of "insane" or even use words which are not appropriate anymore. We don't use the same word or sentence structure all the time to express the same feeling. Also, both of them edit their videos so for me I assume Roman may be editing out some portions where he had trouble expressing himself in English. I do understand the frustration with Marina after looking into this, but I think pitting content creators against one another is, as the kids say, "cringe".
Great video. Roman is fascinating. He has an accent but not a typical Russian accent though his videos from a few years ago, he certainly sounds Russian/Slavic with no mistake it could be anything else. One thing that really had me puzzled from the start when I first encountered NFKRZ in 2022 was how he spoke English so natural and fluent despite having some type of accents and later I found out, he had never been to the US nor any English speaking majority country. Roman 'feels' the language and if not for his accent, I would 100% believe he was born and raised in the US. There's another Russian youtuber named Niki Proshin (Niki from Russia) and he speaks it very well but much more like Marina. It seems more technical but simple words. He does have a thicker accent than either Roman or Marina. Funny enought, Niki just made a video 4 weeks ago about "How English "ruined" My Life in Russia" and said he couldn't hold a conversation in English until age 19, he's now 28. I noticed Marino seems to try to think of the words as she speaks while Niki and Roman seem to just speak naturally. But Roman goes another step by expanding beyond just "how english is taught in class" to talking how English it practiced in real life. I watch a few NKFRZ videos and 2 weeks after this video, he highlighted your video in a video where he explains how he learned English. I haven't watched it, just go through the start and wanted to see this video first.
Roman’s English would fit right in the New York Metro area. It’s like a cross between Eastern European descent and Blacklish New York, especially saying things like tsoo for too. I’ve noticed it in both Black and New York Metro accents. Yes he speaks quite naturally and without hesitation, almost like a native speaker. None of the usual Russian quirks like Hchealow, I mean Hello.
uhh you know I believe (and even Roman himself claimed that in his latest video) that Marina feels English too. please consider that they make completely different types of content. Marina passed TOEFL with a score of 118/120 when she was 25 and now she has several channels on youtube. she teaches idioms and rules because "linguamarina" is a channel for learning english duh. she obviously doesn't have to use all of them if not necessary. she has another channel in English about business and her life in general. I've been watching both of them for quite a while and I think Marina's level of English (knowing and feeling) is definitily not worse than Roman's. people who don't feel English wouldn't be able to speak the way both Marina and Roman do. :)
I'm not a learner of English, but being a non-native speaker (or possibly near-native) I find this content so cool! You have a very nice chill vibe that I think will make learners of the language feel at ease! Thanks for your work!
I'm a French English bilingual having lived in both Europe and the states with two kids raised with both. I told my kids they have two to work with from birth and you have to switch gears. You need to modify your language with people. I used colloquial French with coworkers and when i taught it i spoke a neutral version. I study Russian and a few others and love Roman and what he does. Try Eva du Beck for a great accent but she was in the UK more. Roman is fascinating to watch because he is watching things and explaining things rapidly and with humor. My kids are a little older and both very adept at switching in their fields but Roman is just one of the best. I translated a lot for all kinds of situations and changed my tone but never was as fast as what he is doing.
One of the principal things that I wanna notice is, that his name is RomA'n (full name) , with stress on the last syllable. And as Ro'ma (reducted name) would say, it is insane that you are not grip it)
Hey Dave, how's it going? Interesting video. Basically I agree with you, Roman is very good, although personally I am a bit annoyed by his endless swearing and rather noticeable Russian accent. I know it doesn't matter to you, but I think differently. For me personally, it's very tiring to watch his videos, with endless bro, f***k, shit, etc.
I noticed that with English from other countries and with many of those whose first language is not American English, it lacks passion. They sound like a Kardashian, which is not bad but monotone. I think we are really drawn into people who have a little inflection and emotion when they speak. I think Roman has the soul of an American. Hopefully he will at least be able to visit us in his lifetime. But even with people whose language is their second language, if they are emotive like Italians and some hispanics, we get them easier because, in addition to language, they exude emotions.
Sir, I don't know who you are, but thank you so much for this content, and special thanks for making content with a focus on Russian-language-speakers and watch ours content makers/teachers who are also popular in our region (I mean ua, rb, kz, ru etc), I shared your channel to my friends, it's awesome! (Sorry for my English, I write and edit this message without help from translates like Google, Yandex, I hope you are understand😅)
Yep, every time I listen to a NFKRZ video, I’m blown away by how well he expresses himself in English. You can tell he’s not translating in his head. He’s in English mind space. Another native Russian speaker who speaks in English mind space extremely well is Julia Ioffe. She came to the states when she was an elementary school student and her parents are Russian. Her English is flawless and you would never know English is her second language.
I'm not an expert on this. But comparing elements of fluency and elocuency. I belive there's some people that speak better than others. Some people speak fast and fluently, but might have problems getting their point across, while some others might speak more paused and choose their words more carefully. I feel like your final words gave the feeling that being elocuent is bad. But, I see what you meant with the case of Linguamarina.
A nice video! Could you make a video about Antonio Parlati's English? By the way, I find it very useful when you comment Lingua Marina's English. Kudos to you! Cheers. 😀
Not to mention that Roman comes from a mother language that’s considered one of the toughest in the world to learn, different alphabet and phonetics. It’s hard to learn Russian same way as it was hard for him to learn, goes on both ways 👏
@@gldi8hr There is no such thing like a ''hard language''. The difficulty of another language is always contingent on which linguistic base framework you're provided with through your native language.
While watching this, I remembered the phrase that goes smth like this: Grammar is the difference between knowing your shit, and knowing you’re shit. I’d remove the grammar bit here and let you decide who’s who 😂
Dave! Great video. I'm a fan of Roman. I think we met in Cambodia before??? In 2018. Did you live Siem Reap 5 years ago? We had lunch and I ate snake, haha, remember that? I could be mistaken. I'm an online English tutor myself, you're videos are great, keep up the good work. Roman's response video to you was awesome.
I'm not Marina's fan, but I would choose her. I can barely understand what Roman says, maybe because I'm B1 student (I'm Russian btw). The way Roman speaks is... quite difficult to me to understand, especially because of his speech speed. But I can't deny Roman sounds much more natural and confident.
Marina speech there is definitely the easiest to understand. I think it is easier to understand people who talks about their experiences and people can relate. The guy on the other hand talks about political concepts which will also confuse most people already and will focus on the swearing naturally than what he said exactly and why the cuss word is ''natural'' because those who understand the concepts he was talking about will just ignore cuss words and be interested in his views in them
@@davesenglish i don't know my level of english, but i can say i am below Marina's level. I remember when she was giving alternative words for ''many'' i was just confused about ''handful''. I know i heard it before but i couldn't tell right at that moment if it was right or wrong. I also have difficulties with prepositions.
Because she uses Russian phrases in English. Native speakers usually speak differently. Also, you can check some channels where English speakers point to Marina's mistakes.
Saw a video where several Americans commented on the level of English of some famous Russians. Interestingly, when Russians were speaking using insults, their language level was rated higher.
Roman worked really hard to learn English. Then we Americans would be like, "I can't understand you." We know so little in the states. I think we gave him an eating disorder for a bit. Sadly, I'm working on other projects this summer, but I'll buy some software in the spring and try to learn Russian. In Thailand, I started to understand a simple lexicon after about a month. Even in English, I can understand more words than I use. I'll butcher Russian, I'm sure. Sorry in advance. Russians learn English in school for like a decade. The library, the two that I've been to, do not have any "Learn Russian" tapes. RT is also blocked by them.
The difference is: Roman has a distinct personality when he's speaking English, Marina (in the clip, no idea how she speaks off camera) doesn't. Marina's English is excellent. But if she makes a mistake, it's a mistake she'll try to avoid in the future. Also, all her non-verbal communication is Russian. If Roman makes a mistake, it's not a mistake, it's a "Romanism" and he definitely should do it again because it's part of his signature. Roman "owns" his English, whereas Marina doesn't. There are other YTers who speak far worse English than Roman or Marina, but they also "own" their English with all its faults, and they're far more interesting, animated, and altogether pleasant to listen to than someone trying way too hard to get it 100% flawless all the time. I taught ESL in German companies for around 20 years, and I'm bilingual. Germans are notorious perfectionists, so one of the first things I instilled into my students was not to strive for perfection, know what you know and own it. Be authentic. Nobody likes a perfectionist anyway.
I think that this perfectionist way of learning things is a bad thing in English learning, and usually comes from culture (as you said with Germans). It gives a lot of students the impression that they are being held back when, in reality, they aren't.
I think Roman’s language is just much more casual and informal, that’s all. His accent on the other hand makes it not so easy to understand him sometimes. I’m not Marina’s fan at all, quite the opposite, but I don’t think that she sounds less fluent just because she is using neutral register and avoids using slang in that video.
Was there a grammar mistake when you said?: "She actually showing how..." Without putting the certain form of the verb 'to be'. I am Russian and I learn English and watch the Kevin and Lisa's channel. Thank you guys for helping learners all over the world pick up the English language and speak correctly, naturally, spontaneously, like native speakers do🔊👍
I was watching NFKRZ's reaction to this video, and I came here hoping to hear what you said at 12:23. But sadly, it was bleeped out on the original video, and I'll never know... :(
This guy has an accent, no doubt, but I wouldn't call it really strong. I mean, most Rus-speaking people I've met have wa-ay stronger accent than he has. His accent is quite advanced, if I may say so (especially considering the fact he's never even been to an English-speaking country his accent is damn good).
Though their presentations are wildly different, the only person on TH-cam that I have heard that can match Roman in fluency that I have heard is Feli from Germany. The thing that makes Roman mind blowing as opposed to Feli, is that he has never lived in an English speaking enviorment.
There is exposure bias to this video. It can be argued that there are plenty of people that measure up the same way but fly under the radar due to not broadcasting themselves to the world. Frankly it's hard to believe that indulging and learning to feel the language is that uncommon, specifically in gaming settings where you aren't geo-locked in any way, let alone international school environments. If you start a second language before you are eight, in most cases one will be able to tag along normally and progress naturally. After eight it is still possible though for most people fixed phonetic speech means that adapting to new sounds and intonation becomes ever more difficult and a noticeable accent is the result.
Dave - I've been learning Russian for 4 years now, and I can't believe you made this video! I've been running contests in my head to see who the best Native Russian Speaker is! I've got a couple more names I think can give Roman a run for his money possibly?
The best English I've ever heard was Hadar from the accent's way channel. She is a real gem. As for NFKRZ, wow , he improved a lot , i watched his video in 2017 , he was not natural at that time. He did a great job. I guess he's watched a lot of American comedy stand-ups like Luis CK and so on. You could get this level by total immersion into natural content intensively and for a long time. He is natural, no doubt. Still, I would rather go for Hadar's native. As For Marina, she is a good communicator, and she definitely speakers better than majority of Russian teachers. Having said that, I highly disapprove her commercial interest and her 'cheap' courses. I think she has her fingers in many pies and as a result, she just sells duds.
I just don’t like Hadar’s channel, and I’ll probably explain later. But her accent is good. However, I’ve heard her say some not-so-natural things. Yeah, Roman 2017 is definitely different!
@@davesenglish I don't share her views (kinda girl power!) but tastes differ. Sometimes they irritate me a bit. I also see your point as you are not big on accent training. But come on, her command of English is more than just 'good'. I give her credit even though I don't share her views. I believe she deserves to be the one of the non-natives you would strive to be like.
@@davesenglish Roman has also said some not-so-natural things. While Hadar's English is not perfect, it's definitely one of the most impressive out there. You may not like her channel and that's okay but you need to give credit where credit is due.
You speak a lot about felling the language , could you give some examples, how does it work. I mean, how do I learn to feel the language? Roman speaks great english, and he has very good pronunciation. I would like to comment on "russia became independet from ussr" part, I was laughing out loud:)) russia was ussr (and still is, as we can see), all of the other countries like: Ukraine, Poland, Georgia, Moldova, Estonia, Armenia and so on, became free (or partly free) from russia. russia was the center, the heart of ussr, Empire!, that never became independent, and always occupied and occupies (as we can also see in modern history) other countries, like every Empire does! Thanks for your videos, I do enjoy watching them!😘
12 june is the day, when Russia (RSFSR) declared a sort of independence from the USSR. USSR = the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, 15 republics in total. Russia was just a part of the USSR, the same as Ukraine, Belarus, Armenia and so on. Each republic had a kind of their republic government and so one. Funny part is, that this holiday directly related to the collapse of the USSR.
As a linguist and language teacher, I never fail to be impressed by Roman's English; if I am not mistaken, he has never even lived in an anglophone country. Real talent.
Nope, he hasn't. He knows some Chinese as well.
@@myvicariouslife4012 Ramán (in Russian)
@@myvicariouslife4012 in Russian his name is spelled Роман, the second vowel being the stressed one. And when the Russian o is not stressed it's pronounced like an a-sound. The exact equivalent of which hardly exists in English. The wovelsound of "rum" being the best comparison. I'm sure though that if you pronounce his name the same as you would the demonym of a person from Rome, Roman himself would be totally fine with that!
@@myvicariouslife4012 are you asking about the Russian pronunciation? we spell it like [rə'mahn]
@@beorlingo I've always pronounced Roman idk . language is weird haha
Hey there! I'm from Russia and I'm a B2 English speaker. For me it was pretty easy to understand both Marina and Roman. BUT, the difference is that LinguaMarina is constantly translating the words from her native language to English and it's noticable, while Roman feels absolutely comfortable and it seems like he keeps a range of word constructios in his head in English and just got used to them, so he doesn't need to translate all the time, you see? That's what makes his speech sound more natural. He does everything possible to THINK in English. Plus, it seems like Roman's sooo into American culture, whereas Marina appears to be in Russian environment all the time (even though she lives in America).
P.S. I don't wanna offend anybody and I think that every person who learns a foreign language deserves a high five! I only assumed what could make sound each of them them a little different
Amen!
вы верно подметили, когда человек уже умеет думать на другом языке, а не переводить свои мысли - это очень высокий уровень владения языком.
@@counterfeit9187What’s the difference between fluency and proficiency? I feel like it might be that part, what you mentioned about how he can do it all directly in English even internally. I mean he probably doesn’t have to translate it in his head when he hears English speech (or reads English text). So maybe the understanding is completely automatic by this point, and he can also then respond in English with seemingly no pause, it just flows out verbally this way…which makes me think that cognitively he’s even just “talking” in this language in his own head, too- so literally thinking in English, then!? Like “English mode” exists independently within his own thoughts whenever he is using it.
Yes, Marina doesn’t understand that Americans can’t stand snobbish and show offs. Marina doesn’t speak good English but yet tries hard to convince others that she does. She also loves to show off her life style and it’s so pathetic.
The other guy Roman is also a show off who tries so hard to pretend a real American with all his F words, gestures, accent is heavy, and this is also pathetic.
These people do look pathetic
Roman's pronunciation is Russian anyway 😅
Roman uses words like "thingy", "Sharpie"...lived in the UK for 15 years, these are really everyday words that people use.
He uses "as hell", "bootleg"...I think his vocabulary is way more advanced, he also speaks quicker and sounds a million times more relaxed (however it could also be to differences in their personalities).
I speak five languages and, connecting to your point on swearing at the end, I think the ultimate test of understanding of a language is jokes and insults.
Exactly. Especially using the word "thingy". That really shows the fluency.
@@katiad4140 That's how English tests at school should look like. Would be so more fun.
Hi! Not sure I agree. I think English teaching should bring you to a good understanding and expression level, and the rest is to be learned from experience. But I’m not a teacher, so just my two cents
I think there’s also a risk of learning wrong/outdated slang, which I’ve seen on Marina’s channel a few times
He just called Roman the GOAT! Let's gooOoOO!!!!!
Roman is a truly gifted speaker, he is very relatable in his video, and he is genuine and sincere, he lives and feels but he doesn’t pretend.
On the other hand Marina pretends a lot, she feels the need to portray a perfect life in a fancy car. She desperately needs to project success to fool her gullible audience and generate more views. Does it feel authentic to me? hell, no. Her English is decent but she tries to put on a fake American accent. I prefer Roman’s raw Russian accent , it is strong but it is genuine like Roman is himself.
Yeah, I was searching for the words to describe how Marina speaks and you've nailed it. She is trying to sound right, not only English wise, but her agenda wise, so she is "searching" for the right words and that makes her fluent English not so fluent. She stops for the right words. Roman- I honestly, don't hear his accent, let alone raw Russian accent. So I'm not sure what you're talking about when you say " it is strong".
Bingo
What's wrong with mastering an accent? Why is it fake? Part of knowing the language is knowing the phonetics. When I had a speaking exam the teachers also evaluated the pronunciation.
LoL it is 2023 and people still believe a youtuber with a million subscribers just sits down in front of his camera and starts talking just like that, saying whatever comes to his mind, no plan, no rehearsals, and then just uploads it all as is and there you go. Right....
@@Bedtime-Stories-ASMR no one’s saying that, we all know almost all videos are scripted, the difference lies in whether the script is genuine or not
Roman is almost at native level. One of my cousins is the same and its mind blowing because like Roman she’s never lived in an English speaking country.
I can imagine that marina is much easier for people to understand who are not native speakers. Roman talks really fast and uses slang.
In his latest video, Roman was thrilled by you labeling him the GOAT. His secret to learning English: listening to lots of American rap, playing lots of GTA, and hanging out in 4Chan type chat rooms.
As a native English speaker from southern England, they both sound good, but Roman does sound more natural .He speaks very much in a “street” style, which fits with his age , personality and content. I’ve listened to a lot of his videos, also collaborations with other TH-camrs such as Bald and Bankrupt . For someone who’s never visited an English speaking country, he’s impressive for sure.
As for both using “like”, in a sort of “quotative informal” way, it’s not how I’d use the language, but that could be an age thing. I notice that many non-native speakers like to use it to sound more natural . It can, depending on context. I’d say it’s used more by North Americans , but used to excess can sound a bit “valley girl” and not well educated. It is used frequently in the UK too, but mostly by those who fall into a younger demographic, under forty.
"Valley girl". Bingo!
@@davesenglishTubular!
No honestly, we say "like" a lot. If we want to sound professional, we don't. But otherwise, yeah, we do. And you would think that it's an age thing, but I do it too and I'm 64. And I reached back in my memory, I thought about this a long time ago, we were using "like" when I was in high school.
Sometimes we even use it in place of "said"
Example:
She was like "so I went downtown" And he was like "did you see Joe?"
(I can never think of sentences to stick into those places)
If I wrote that properly I would have started with quotes and then gone on to single quotes and back out and that's just too much trouble. There are quotes within quotes up there. And I'm lazy. Also if I was actually typing with my fingers I would probably punctuate. If I could find the punctuation keys.
My brother has spent so much time voice typing on his phone that he leaves messages for people with the words "question mark" at the end. Because he's used to doing that. I will leave the punctuation out as long as people can still understand me.
About accents, there are some American accents which are difficult to understand if you're from Boston. And since I now watch BBC World News America I'm getting English and Irish and Scottish and various parts of England, and then Australian and oh my goodness, people from New Zealand. I totally respect your right to pronounce all E's as what do you call those? Long E's? I used to know the stuff in first grade phonics. But I don't remember it. That was a long time ago. I respect your right to do so but it's really hard to understand. Captions are my friends. I love captions. I love subtitles. I watch medical dramas which were not captioned by people who know medicine. And I am not a medical professional, but I can tell when they're wrong. Dear Chicago Med, please get a human medical professional to caption your show. We don't have these problems with Grey's Anatomy and ER and The Good Doctor. At least it's not as bad as automated captioning for the 1972 series Emergency! "I need bold colors and a hacksaw!" Yeah, that was "bolt cutters." But hey, they gave it a shot. It's better than not having captions, but on the other hand, Back in the '70s and the '80s and probably the '90s, people on television shows enunciated better than they do now. Now they just don't. And then there's music... I will do a retraction on Grey's Anatomy. Patrick Dempsey mumbles. On my DVR I didn't have captions. My brother rewound a sentence five times to try to figure out what he was saying. I'm still trying to figure out whether back in the '70s '80s and '90s it wasn't important to us or to me that I got every word, or people just enunciated better. And the sound quality was better. Vox did a whole thing on why you need to watch TV with the captions on now. And if English isn't your first language, captions help. If it's a complex topic, captions help. If I'm watching somebody speaking Polish, I am desperate for captions. There is a 38-year gap in my attempts to learn languages. And I'm still only fluent in English. But I'm not trying that hard. And I didn't pick an easy language. (Granted, it's not Mandarin. But I sure wish there were video games when I was trying to learn Polish. I'm sure it would have helped. If I liked video games. We didn't even have the internet back then.)
Roman and Marina are nowhere near the same level. Roman is pretty much native US gamer bro, whereas Marina regularly makes absolutely honking grammatical errors ('How is it called?' is UNFORGIVABLE for an English teacher)
@@villeporttila5161 what's the gram' error in that?
@@user-iw6vf4vl7n She should’ve said “What is it called?”
For me it's about fluency in speaking in general, no matter in Russian or English. He doesn't care how he speaks. He has just a lot of fun. And probably you like it this man, because he boosts his level of energy and yours.
Fellow Russian here. To my ear they both sound great, their speech is confident and intelligible. I even picture them sitting in the same English speaking class for advanced students, they’re just two different types of students. Both capable of getting the highest grades, though. I don’t prefer one or the other.
I certainly don't see Roman in an English class for advanced students, he's way beyond that
Roman speaks a lot more naturally, I find it easier to listen to him because its more organic sounding and relaxed. Hes able to express himself more naturally :)
Roman has a masters degree in linguistics. He also speaks Chinese.
I understood Roma. The way he speaks is inspirational. I got my portion of motivation from him to try to speak like a native.
I absolutely agree, but the thing is that in a room of coworkers whose english is a second language, it's the best english speakers that the colleagues have the biggest problem understanding. People who are bad at english understand this very simplified and almost textbookie way of speaking better. They get thrown off by hearing words being used in any way they're not used to (like it's actually used between native speakers) and they're thrown off by a good cadence and accent. They learned the language from teachers with strong foreign accents and have trouble adapting to correct speech and when they see a correctly used idiom, they think it's incorrect or don't understand, because it's a first for them and if you're bad at a language you've been studying since primary school, you're probably not that fast at adapting. In a nutshell, Roman's english is a work of art and it's beautiful, but the lady's english is easier to process by the types of people we actually encounter at work
Omg it’s my life, you don’t even know.
You just need to keep in mind that you simply can’t speak as fast as native speakers and be as legible.
i think Marina sounds just as smooth and natural as Roman, but they are just two different people. and i don't mind her trying to sound more american and not using a lot of advanced words or any type of slang, or swear words in her vlogs. idk it's just the way she feels the most comfortable expressing herself in this language. and like i don't think she's even being hypocritical by uploading "don't say that" types of videos, bc they're kind of helpful for people who are trying to prepare for exams like ielts. i know there are some better sources for learning this stuff, but when you're procrastinating on youtube, it's nice to see that kind of content. but yeah, if only there weren't so many mistakes in her videos.. anyway, thank you for your videos, they're really really helpful and fun to watch!
Roman reacted to your reaction.
as a b2 speaker both of the them was easy to me to understand, but Roman’s language is absolute pleasure for my ears 😅
He is not trying to hide his accent. Marina is trying to do it.
Honestly, as a native Russian speaker, I would never have though that Roman was Russian 😂 I'd say (and I'm not an expert on this) there are two types of the Russian accent (the one he has like in bad Hollywood movies and the one most people have where you soften the sounds, not harden them). So I would have thought he was Irish or Scottish (again, not an expert on their accents). But he is definitely more pleasant to listen to (apart from cursing 😂). You can see that he KNOWS the language. Marina looks like a student next to him. She seems to be struggling with the language, thinking hard what words to use etc. He on the other hand just speaks it, he is much more confident.
He looks a little bit like a guy, who has learnt phrases from "poor/black neighborhood" and now is trying to imitate speech style and so one. He has a "chest voice", that differs him from typical russian, but he still has a strong russian accent. I don't like that pronunciation at all.
@@ifsomasiauc I wouldn't say that he speaks eng with a thick accent. Yeah, he doesn't sound like American but compared to the average Russian he sounds much better. At least his manner of speaking is kinda unique. I'm so sick of all those people who work their ass off to pass themselves off as natives. It's way better to be yourself than to try to be someone else.
There is nothing Irish or Scottish in his Russian-American accent
Кстати, интересный факт: англоязычные пользователи часто оставляют под его видео комментарии, в которых предполагают что он Ирландец или изучал английский в Ирландии
@@Ghellia I'd have to say there is. Apparently, he lacks the most distinctive feature of an Irish (or Scottish for the matter) accent which in my opinion is singsongy intonation. He definitely learned his intonation and rhythm patterns by following and imitating American speakers, and he did a great job! However, his æ sound (like in 'cat') is way more back throat than in most American accents in which the sound is closer to e. He also occasionally shifts the 'cup' sound ʌ towards u, one of the features widely spread in some of the Irish dialects (listen to how the word 'but' is pronounced by most native Irish speakers and you'll hear what I mean). Unlike many Brits, people from Ireland enunciate their roaring R’s just like Americans do, so in combination with everything else said, I get why some associate him with Irish English, even though the features of the latter aren’t consistent in his speech. Still, some of his vowels are not typical for your standardized American accent and gravitate towards what can be heard on the British Isles at large and I suppose it makes him sound unusual to an American ear (I wouldn’t know for sure, I’m not American. This is just my educated or not so educated guess). Sorry for the lengthy response, I'm a huge fan of phonetics and adore hearing and analyzing different accents. How would you describe what you hear? I’d be curious to hear your take on his accent if that’s something of interest to you.
Roman just reacted to your video... so I had to watch the original one. :)
i feel like roman would be an excellent interpreter- i know he is a translator, but i feel he would be unstoppable as a consecutive or simultaneous interpreter.
Maybe i am too demanding, but i would not call the way Roman speaks "feeling the language". What he does - he merely uses some phrases that can easily be learnt like "cold as hell", "so fucking sad" or "holy shit". My opinion is that the feeling is not just knowing these phrases and not even ability to put them or synonyms into correct context not to make people laugh, but understanding the shades of meaning like more rude or more polite- something like that; an ability to distinct slang, literal , common and other kinds of words and not to mix them and at last ( and i consider this point the most important one ) to be able to speak in the same style. ( To exemplify my thought: you read two poems by two different poets and can easily tell one poet from the other , because the poets can feel the language and speak exactly the way they want to).
for some reason it was much easier for me to understand Roman and not because of his accent
It has been interesting seeing how NFKRZ's english really improved since 2016. Its really developed very impressively for an person who isnt in an American country.
One of the people who i think is the best non-native english speaker is youtuber ThaRixer, hes a danish youtuber, when I found it out he was danish I was more shocked at how easy it natural it was and how little accent there was.
These two show the powers of learning a language online can be in my opinion!
Great Video!
I don't think this is all about the ability to feel the language and speaking skills, I think this is connected to personality traits as well. These two people speak English exactly the way they speak Russian. Roman seems to be a smart, deep thinking person with a great sense of humor, this is the main reason why he uses a lot of metaphors, makes funny comparisons etc. IMHO, speaking skills still matter, but who speaks matters more at the levels C1-C2.
Oh, as a fellow liberal Russian I love Roman's channel and it's fire!
I'd bucketed myself in the "feel the language" camp. I literally do not know a single grammar rule. But my listening and reading skills are just nearly as good as in my native language (Russian).
I have some problems in writing due to lack of feedback, but, eh... will do. And I'm terrible at speaking which I'm fixing right now.
All my experience roars that everything you need to do - is just use it. Just try and write, read, speak or listen. And it just happens. I don't know how, but it just is.
Your channel is great, by the way, vastly underrated.
Special attention to swear words: they are of crucial importance! Roman is an excellent example on the score! Otherwise you might not be understood.
Может либераст, а не либерал. Или скорее американская подстилка)
As for me, as a Russian person, it's a bit easier to understand Marina, but Roman sounds more natural.
It seems that Marina still thinks in Russian, cause her sentences are soooo similar to Russian structure, u know....
As for Roman, I understood him, but some idioms were a bit difficult.
And it's so funny that Marina says like YOU NEED TO DO THIS, THIS AND THIS TO BE FLUENT, ALTHOUGH SHE HERSELF IS NOT REALLY FLUENT 😮
Another Russian with C1+ English language here. Thinking in language really helps, but I find myself troubled to switch when I get stuck in the gray area where the thing I want to say is missing from my vocabulary in English or even Russian and I desperately try to translate from my other dictionary and then get languages messed in my brain.
Having listened to Roman I realize I will never be able to feel English the way he does, it seems to me that he's got some natural talent! I would gladly listen to more of his videos, does he have his own channel?
Yes, NFKRZ.
It is sad that your great language learning tips (which I come for) don't get as many views as reaction videos :( Hope you won't stop making them.
I try to spread the love among all genres. I think knowing what to look for is just as important as the resources.
Buenas noches, yo no deseo hacer comparaciones, pero si prefiero agradecer a ambos profesores, por las enseñanzas que cada uno a su manera, nos dan. Gracias keep going
Yo tambien!
Came from NFKRZ's video. One thing that still trips me up to this day as a native Finnish speaker are the gender pronouns in English and Swedish, accidentally calling someone a 'he' when obviously talking about someone female like my mother. Since Finnish has no gender pronouns and people find such things out usually from context of the stuff you talk about. Though I've sometimes heard that 'he/him' is the pronoun native English speakers default to also sometimes, especially when speaking at a fast pace.
For some English speakers, "he/him" are the default pronouns. This is considered sexist by some. "They/them" (singular) are the default pronouns for some English speakers. This is considered woke by some.
@@tompeled6193 Huh.. Did not know it's such a big issue. Interesting. Thanks for informing me.
@@3d-cat This is a politically charged issue. It turns out the left is winning the Battle at Keyboard Basement.
@@tompeled6193 ''They/them'' has been the default for a couple hundred years. Pretty much since Shakespeare.
Finnish is easy,possible to learn...looks like altaic languages,special turks languages....l also know turks languages(some)...can learn,but l dont care finnish,because at language list l want to learn it doesnt exist...
Dave, I can tell you that Roman definitely sounds more natural (in my opinion) than Marina. As for me, I could understand Marina's monologue better than Roman's one. He speaks faster and I'm not able to perceive his speach (with my B1-B2). Moreover, I try to watch many English videos on the TH-cam and I noticed that many people use the word "like" almost constantly. I guess it's like a parasite word. However, when I have to speak fast, I use it in order to have more time for thinking about grammatical constructions which I want to include in my conversation with somebody.
True. Hell, look at how many times I say it. A lot lol
@@davesenglish, do you know VenyaPak from Lingua? I think it could be really interesting to rate his English in your next videos, if you don't do this before (I'm just a new subscriber)
idk if you're russian, but "like" in english is the same as "типа" in russian. they even have the same meaning in the sentences when it's used not as a parasite word (can't think of any examples tho). it took me a while to realize that, and since then i've been "liking" right and left lol.
If you watch many of Roman's videos, he uses "you know" frequently, however many native English speakers use the phase as well, as filler while thinking of what they'll say next.
I think the personal goals is what defines the speaking manner of both people. Marina is a Californian-wannabe hustler and she speaks exactly like a foreign implant that got to Cali to make it big would speak. They say bunch of pointless, superficial stuff and as long as it convinces someone "statusy" enough to invest in them, it works. So she speaks the way that fits best in her circle of like-minded people.
Roman speaks like he caters to young, nihilistic "cool kids", a 4chan crowd. He also sounds like a "wannabe", tbh. I can say "shit" after every other word, or "kinda", or "like", and it will make me sound less intelligent, that's all.
As an example of someone who knows English and also feels English, I can bring up Maria "Gentle Whispering". She lived in the US forever and she speaks excellent. The way she speaks shows how intelligent she is, and how well she integrated into the culture. She does use lots of idioms and phrasal verbs etc., and she does it naturally, because she's just a great English speaker. What I like the most about her speaking, is that the way she speaks English shows a certain individuality, while also being correct, fluent and genuine. It's just her. I haven't heard anyone speak the way she does. And it's awesome, I'd say it's the pinnacle of the speaking proficiency.
TicTok was made for the Romans of the world. TH-cam should have and follow better guidelines.
Swearing, to me (a woman in her 40's), doesn't project a lack of intelligence or sophistication, and I certainly don't think it sounds "wannabe"-ish. There is a flow in the way he speaks, and where he uses the curse words sounds very natural to me. As a person of certain tested intellect, and who swears a fair bit, his speech sounds far more natural than most folks you hear.
Roman reacted to you today, its pretty funny
I wonder why just few subscribers on the channel! Really good explanations from native speaker 👍
Yeah Dave , you're right, knowing and feeling there is sense , i remember when i was a child, i had a classmate, who knew grammar to perfection, but couldnt be good at writing the dictations , but me, on the contrary, i was good , perfect at writing, not knowing the rules perfectly😅
Roman entertains and informs me often, but I play his videos at .75 speed to keep up. I'm the grandson of Norsk speakers on the west coast of the USA.
Marina might lie a lot, and a lot means a lot! She got a visa as an entrepreneur, and now her company does not work anymore. She got citizenship, and right away, she said, "You never know when the USA starts a war." By saying that, she meant she wanted to keep russian citizenship. Really? It might be nice to live now in a free country and be able to say such things, but why don't you say that your country started the war? She cannot say it even in the USA !! Once they came back from Russia, for some reason struggled to rent a house because of taxes. Ok, if you say to everyone, "I am a boss, and I m successful," how come you cannot rent a house? She lived for weeks using Airbnb because landlords required proof of income and a deposit. She makes ridiculous mistakes like "She eat, they does.." which means she does not work with Americans and does not read at all. For me, all her life looks completely fake. She teaches English and makes mistakes, she teaches how to apply to an American university, and she never studied in the USA, and she sells marketing courses, not being able to rent a house. Really? We call it "Info Gypsi": sell the dream or cheat!
Absolutely correct
I am absolutely appalled, I do realize how defective her English is in her videos, noticed several minor mistakes and errors which she doesn't correct while teaching, but I've never imagined that her private life is also fake
By MINOR I meant MAJOR
Hi Dave! A refugee from Roman's channel here! Another prominent Russian TH-camr you might like to analyse is Natasha. Her channel is Natasha's Adventures. She hails from Spassk, a small town near Vladivostok and has been making English language content for several years now. I think her English is just from school learning and practise. Albeit she doesn't swear at all, I'm afraid. In any event, great video. Very entertaining!😃
I follow Natasha too and enjoy her channel. Natasha did learn English from practice but she did go to a US university in I think Minnesota for some months before having to leave because of covid.
Hey Dave! :) NNET here. I do agree with most of your points but I just wanted to bring up a few points that might be worth considering.
I feel like they both feel the language to a certain degree. Overall, Marina does make more mistakes by far but we need to keep in mind that Roman is using a way more informal language here sprinkled with profanity, so it might not be a fair comparison. Also, although Marina does generally make more mistakes, she is doing mostly ok in this clip. It might be discouraging for learners to think that if you speak like how Marina speaks in this clip, it means you don’t have a feel for the language. I genuinely believe she does feel the language!
Otherwise, I totally agree that regardless of how much she feels the language, she makes a ton of mistakes and her “don’t say this/say that” vids are more harmful than helpful.
I still do feel for her though. Being a non-native teacher, your sentences are picked to bits and that pressure is always there on the back of your mind.
Hope you don’t think I have any bad intentions, just wanted to offer a different perspective! :)
I mean, I probably could have used better clips of Roman. He actually does have an advanced vocabulary if you listen to his other videos. And he actually uses his advanced vocabulary correctly.
However, I don't think that she feels the language. If I were to talk to her in my most "native" voice (if that's a thing lol), I don't think she would catch a lot of what I'd say. I think Roman would. But as I said in the video, the way she speaks is totally fine, because knowing it at that level is still extremely impressive. As far as Marina, a lot of the word suggestions in her "don't say this..." video are many times quite odd, and something a native speaker wouldn't say, or totally off (like "sad" = "disappointed").
I don't feel for her, honestly, because of the bad advice that she gives. However, I think that the only things that should be critiqued as far as her mistakes and errors are her actual teaching videos. That's why in this video, I didn't say anything about mistakes or word choice, because it isn't the proper "teaching" video. Hell, I make a bunch of mistakes when I'm speaking off-the-cuff because my mouth can move faster than my brain. However, when she makes her teaching videos and releases them with errors, that's an issue. Either she doesn't know that she is making an error in a video, and therefore she should be teaching that particular topic, or she doesn't care, which is worse. I think it's the former. I don't think it's intentional.
I would also argue that she isn't a teacher at all, but a TH-camr.
Thanks for the comment! :)
I would like to hear Roman speak English in a less relaxed way without all that curse/swear stuff, bro... Giving a speech in a more delicate way so to say. Would he be as fluent and as eloquent as he sounds in the clip we've just seen.
I am not Marina's fan at all, but I guess you are trying to compare two originally incompatible types of language usage, calling one of them " more fluent ".
Yes, he is fine in those situations. However, the way that he swears would be just like us.
@@davesenglish
Well, I bet you know what you are saying, Dave😊
I'm glad I discovered Roman's channel thanks to your video, subscribed to him (after subscribing to you of course :)
Wish I become as fluent as him in English).
Marina's speech was more understandable for me, and I understood what Roman was talking about I watch sometimes his video but generally for me, he is talking too fast.
Roman speaks better and more American. He's a perfect good example to teach English, whereas Marina pretends in her lessons. Thanks for your video😃
He doesn't sound american at all, I would say venyapak sounds american but not roman
@@snowleopard185
Right! One thing is for certain, swearing does not make him sound more American. Swearing is what ignorant Americans do.
@@Contagious93812 I don't like how marina teaches people english, she does it wrong
she doesn’t pretend bro she is C2 as well they just have different types of content
Own it Dave! You obliviously know what you're talking about! NFKRZ's video covering your reaction brought me here. Again, thanks Dave!
I like your video, but I think it's fair to say Roman loves it, In fact he loves it so much he just made a video of his own covering this, and he's now calling himself the Lionel Messi of English.
Roman has a great intuitive grasp of English. His accent is, in my humble opinion, often more related to things that no one really teaches, such as weak forms, than pronunciation of certain consonants. The most subtle things there are to learn about English. That isn't to say he shouldn't brush up on word transitions and adding some extra sounds to his pronunciations, but he's very close to perfecting his use of the language.
I think the difference is the guy is more intuitive and can explain the abstract concepts well and has andvance vocabulary
As Roma said in his reaction to this video, she's a white woman from California and he's a neighborhood Russian. So they both sound exactly like they should. ;-)
For me they both speak well and truly understandable. May be I haven’t caught some of Roman expressions thoroughly but I don’t really think that this is so important point in this particular situation. When people say something important they do it clearly and without equivocation no matter who they speak with. In other hand when the purpose is entertaining you can speak more colorful and don’t be afraid to be misunderstood. I see no reason to make your speech over complicated in real life all you can reach doing that is to be more vague for surrounding people. More complicated for me when I speak with native speakers is their accents (not necessarily foreign) and speaking specials, there are a lot of speakers in the US who has no teeth for instance. By the way - thanks again for the lesson and have a great day!
LMAOOOO I came from Romans' video. Keep up the work, you deserve more subs!
The best thing I can describe Roman's English abilities is "pewdiepie"
Another excellent English speaker.
I like Roman, but he does some things that all non-native speakers do - they will use a word or phrase a lot. He says "this is insane" a lot. In English, we may say "crazy" instead of "insane" or even use words which are not appropriate anymore. We don't use the same word or sentence structure all the time to express the same feeling. Also, both of them edit their videos so for me I assume Roman may be editing out some portions where he had trouble expressing himself in English. I do understand the frustration with Marina after looking into this, but I think pitting content creators against one another is, as the kids say, "cringe".
Great video. Roman is fascinating. He has an accent but not a typical Russian accent though his videos from a few years ago, he certainly sounds Russian/Slavic with no mistake it could be anything else. One thing that really had me puzzled from the start when I first encountered NFKRZ in 2022 was how he spoke English so natural and fluent despite having some type of accents and later I found out, he had never been to the US nor any English speaking majority country. Roman 'feels' the language and if not for his accent, I would 100% believe he was born and raised in the US. There's another Russian youtuber named Niki Proshin (Niki from Russia) and he speaks it very well but much more like Marina. It seems more technical but simple words. He does have a thicker accent than either Roman or Marina. Funny enought, Niki just made a video 4 weeks ago about "How English "ruined" My Life in Russia" and said he couldn't hold a conversation in English until age 19, he's now 28.
I noticed Marino seems to try to think of the words as she speaks while Niki and Roman seem to just speak naturally. But Roman goes another step by expanding beyond just "how english is taught in class" to talking how English it practiced in real life.
I watch a few NKFRZ videos and 2 weeks after this video, he highlighted your video in a video where he explains how he learned English. I haven't watched it, just go through the start and wanted to see this video first.
Roman’s English would fit right in the New York Metro area. It’s like a cross between Eastern European descent and Blacklish New York, especially saying things like tsoo for too. I’ve noticed it in both Black and New York Metro accents. Yes he speaks quite naturally and without hesitation, almost like a native speaker. None of the usual Russian quirks like Hchealow, I mean Hello.
uhh you know I believe (and even Roman himself claimed that in his latest video) that Marina feels English too. please consider that they make completely different types of content. Marina passed TOEFL with a score of 118/120 when she was 25 and now she has several channels on youtube. she teaches idioms and rules because "linguamarina" is a channel for learning english duh. she obviously doesn't have to use all of them if not necessary. she has another channel in English about business and her life in general.
I've been watching both of them for quite a while and I think Marina's level of English (knowing and feeling) is definitily not worse than Roman's.
people who don't feel English wouldn't be able to speak the way both Marina and Roman do. :)
Passing an exam and feeling the language are two different things. As far as her idiom videos, they're not really that good.
@@davesenglish Certainly
Roman is the Messi of English
As someone who grew up speaking English so I figure I am at least A1. Both speakers sound amazing, they could probably both out due me in grammar.
thank you dave for putting g this out. truth hurts, but that is how i am able to learn english the correct way
I'm not a learner of English, but being a non-native speaker (or possibly near-native) I find this content so cool! You have a very nice chill vibe that I think will make learners of the language feel at ease! Thanks for your work!
I'm a French English bilingual having lived in both Europe and the states with two kids raised with both. I told my kids they have two to work with from birth and you have to switch gears. You need to modify your language with people. I used colloquial French with coworkers and when i taught it i spoke a neutral version. I study Russian and a few others and love Roman and what he does. Try Eva du Beck for a great accent but she was in the UK more. Roman is fascinating to watch because he is watching things and explaining things rapidly and with humor. My kids are a little older and both very adept at switching in their fields but Roman is just one of the best. I translated a lot for all kinds of situations and changed my tone but never was as fast as what he is doing.
Is Eva Dutch?
@@davesenglish I don't know but
"Oll Korrect" is Dutch and Older English (I don't know how old is that English is , but around the 17-18th century)
Came here after watching Romans video, he had a great video and this video is really great as well.
One of the principal things that I wanna notice is, that his name is RomA'n (full name) , with stress on the last syllable. And as Ro'ma (reducted name) would say, it is insane that you are not grip it)
The thing is he calls himself RO'man in his videos
Exactly, both are English videos, not Russian videos.
Hey Dave, how's it going? Interesting video. Basically I agree with you, Roman is very good, although personally I am a bit annoyed by his endless swearing and rather noticeable Russian accent. I know it doesn't matter to you, but I think differently. For me personally, it's very tiring to watch his videos, with endless bro, f***k, shit, etc.
My main point is about the fluency, but I see where you are coming from.
I noticed that with English from other countries and with many of those whose first language is not American English, it lacks passion. They sound like a Kardashian, which is not bad but monotone. I think we are really drawn into people who have a little inflection and emotion when they speak. I think Roman has the soul of an American. Hopefully he will at least be able to visit us in his lifetime. But even with people whose language is their second language, if they are emotive like Italians and some hispanics, we get them easier because, in addition to language, they exude emotions.
Sir, I don't know who you are, but thank you so much for this content, and special thanks for making content with a focus on Russian-language-speakers and watch ours content makers/teachers who are also popular in our region (I mean ua, rb, kz, ru etc), I shared your channel to my friends, it's awesome! (Sorry for my English, I write and edit this message without help from translates like Google, Yandex, I hope you are understand😅)
If Roman has never been to an English speaking country he's doing phenomenally. Great grasp of the language.
Yep, every time I listen to a NFKRZ video, I’m blown away by how well he expresses himself in English. You can tell he’s not translating in his head. He’s in English mind space.
Another native Russian speaker who speaks in English mind space extremely well is Julia Ioffe. She came to the states when she was an elementary school student and her parents are Russian. Her English is flawless and you would never know English is her second language.
I'm not an expert on this.
But comparing elements of fluency and elocuency. I belive there's some people that speak better than others. Some people speak fast and fluently, but might have problems getting their point across, while some others might speak more paused and choose their words more carefully. I feel like your final words gave the feeling that being elocuent is bad.
But, I see what you meant with the case of Linguamarina.
Never seen that Roman’s videos before, so funny 😆 I must find his channel now 👌👌 thank u
That joke about grechka totally killed me 😆😆😆
A nice video! Could you make a video about Antonio Parlati's English?
By the way, I find it very useful when you comment Lingua Marina's English.
Kudos to you!
Cheers. 😀
I will try! I need to start making a list of all of these names lol.
Not to mention that Roman comes from a mother language that’s considered one of the toughest in the world to learn, different alphabet and phonetics. It’s hard to learn Russian same way as it was hard for him to learn, goes on both ways 👏
He knows Chinese as well.
@@davesenglish As his follower I didn’t know that, another extreme difficult to learn language. Very impressive 👏🤝
It'll only take 1100h to learn russian so it's not the one of the hardest but we got many silly slangs and some which will be much tougher to learn
@@gldi8hr There is no such thing like a ''hard language''. The difficulty of another language is always contingent on which linguistic base framework you're provided with through your native language.
If you want to listen to Roman in a more natural environment, just speaking casually, I would watch one of his vlogs with friends.
Which is actually his most recent video.
Hi! Could you please make a review of Venya Pak's speaking. I think he's good and quite fluent in English for a non-native.
While watching this, I remembered the phrase that goes smth like this:
Grammar is the difference between knowing your shit, and knowing you’re shit.
I’d remove the grammar bit here and let you decide who’s who 😂
Who's here from Roman's video?
Dave! Great video. I'm a fan of Roman. I think we met in Cambodia before??? In 2018. Did you live Siem Reap 5 years ago? We had lunch and I ate snake, haha, remember that? I could be mistaken. I'm an online English tutor myself, you're videos are great, keep up the good work. Roman's response video to you was awesome.
I'm not Marina's fan, but I would choose her. I can barely understand what Roman says, maybe because I'm B1 student (I'm Russian btw). The way Roman speaks is... quite difficult to me to understand, especially because of his speech speed. But I can't deny Roman sounds much more natural and confident.
Marina speech there is definitely the easiest to understand. I think it is easier to understand people who talks about their experiences and people can relate. The guy on the other hand talks about political concepts which will also confuse most people already and will focus on the swearing naturally than what he said exactly and why the cuss word is ''natural'' because those who understand the concepts he was talking about will just ignore cuss words and be interested in his views in them
Yes, I will admit that Roman’s speaking abilities is more for someone who has a C1 listening level.
@@davesenglish i don't know my level of english, but i can say i am below Marina's level. I remember when she was giving alternative words for ''many'' i was just confused about ''handful''. I know i heard it before but i couldn't tell right at that moment if it was right or wrong. I also have difficulties with prepositions.
Because she uses Russian phrases in English. Native speakers usually speak differently. Also, you can check some channels where English speakers point to Marina's mistakes.
Saw a video where several Americans commented on the level of English of some famous Russians. Interestingly, when Russians were speaking using insults, their language level was rated higher.
Interesting! Well done.
Have a good Day, from Madrid spain 👍
Roman worked really hard to learn English. Then we Americans would be like, "I can't understand you." We know so little in the states. I think we gave him an eating disorder for a bit. Sadly, I'm working on other projects this summer, but I'll buy some software in the spring and try to learn Russian. In Thailand, I started to understand a simple lexicon after about a month. Even in English, I can understand more words than I use. I'll butcher Russian, I'm sure. Sorry in advance. Russians learn English in school for like a decade. The library, the two that I've been to, do not have any "Learn Russian" tapes. RT is also blocked by them.
The difference is: Roman has a distinct personality when he's speaking English, Marina (in the clip, no idea how she speaks off camera) doesn't. Marina's English is excellent. But if she makes a mistake, it's a mistake she'll try to avoid in the future. Also, all her non-verbal communication is Russian. If Roman makes a mistake, it's not a mistake, it's a "Romanism" and he definitely should do it again because it's part of his signature. Roman "owns" his English, whereas Marina doesn't. There are other YTers who speak far worse English than Roman or Marina, but they also "own" their English with all its faults, and they're far more interesting, animated, and altogether pleasant to listen to than someone trying way too hard to get it 100% flawless all the time.
I taught ESL in German companies for around 20 years, and I'm bilingual. Germans are notorious perfectionists, so one of the first things I instilled into my students was not to strive for perfection, know what you know and own it. Be authentic. Nobody likes a perfectionist anyway.
I think that this perfectionist way of learning things is a bad thing in English learning, and usually comes from culture (as you said with Germans). It gives a lot of students the impression that they are being held back when, in reality, they aren't.
Roman reminds me of how English is spoken on some Caribbean Islands. Spontaneously and with some curse words as well.
I fell in love with your channel, Dave
Roman is just like “like…like..like.” 🙈😅 but it’s okay, no judging)
I think Roman’s language is just much more casual and informal, that’s all. His accent on the other hand makes it not so easy to understand him sometimes. I’m not Marina’s fan at all, quite the opposite, but I don’t think that she sounds less fluent just because she is using neutral register and avoids using slang in that video.
You've created a monster, Roman will be insufferable from here on out... lol
Was there a grammar mistake when you said?: "She actually showing how..." Without putting the certain form of the verb 'to be'.
I am Russian and I learn English and watch the Kevin and Lisa's channel. Thank you guys for helping learners all over the world pick up the English language and speak correctly, naturally, spontaneously, like native speakers do🔊👍
No, to be is there.
Dave, can you do an analysis of Harry Kane’s english(English football player)?
I was watching NFKRZ's reaction to this video, and I came here hoping to hear what you said at 12:23. But sadly, it was bleeped out on the original video, and I'll never know... :(
This guy has an accent, no doubt, but I wouldn't call it really strong. I mean, most Rus-speaking people I've met have wa-ay stronger accent than he has. His accent is quite advanced, if I may say so (especially considering the fact he's never even been to an English-speaking country his accent is damn good).
Though their presentations are wildly different, the only person on TH-cam that I have heard that can match Roman in fluency that I have heard is Feli from Germany. The thing that makes Roman mind blowing as opposed to Feli, is that he has never lived in an English speaking enviorment.
Yeah, I think with Feli living in America, I think, that helps. However, she is very impressive.
Though I am not Marina's fan bw these two videos I vote for Marina. To me Roman speaks careless as probably all Americans do:) I love eloquence!
Totally support.
There is exposure bias to this video. It can be argued that there are plenty of people that measure up the same way but fly under the radar due to not broadcasting themselves to the world.
Frankly it's hard to believe that indulging and learning to feel the language is that uncommon, specifically in gaming settings where you aren't geo-locked in any way, let alone international school environments.
If you start a second language before you are eight, in most cases one will be able to tag along normally and progress naturally. After eight it is still possible though for most people fixed phonetic speech means that adapting to new sounds and intonation becomes ever more difficult and a noticeable accent is the result.
Dave - I've been learning Russian for 4 years now, and I can't believe you made this video! I've been running contests in my head to see who the best Native Russian Speaker is! I've got a couple more names I think can give Roman a run for his money possibly?
He is better than Marina, I'm going to subscribe to his channel hahaha
And u Dave, u speak English best of all to follow😊
The best English I've ever heard was Hadar from the accent's way channel. She is a real gem. As for NFKRZ, wow , he improved a lot , i watched his video in 2017 , he was not natural at that time. He did a great job. I guess he's watched a lot of American comedy stand-ups like Luis CK and so on. You could get this level by total immersion into natural content intensively and for a long time. He is natural, no doubt. Still, I would rather go for Hadar's native.
As For Marina, she is a good communicator, and she definitely speakers better than majority of Russian teachers. Having said that, I highly disapprove her commercial interest and her 'cheap' courses. I think she has her fingers in many pies and as a result, she just sells duds.
I just don’t like Hadar’s channel, and I’ll probably explain later. But her accent is good. However, I’ve heard her say some not-so-natural things. Yeah, Roman 2017 is definitely different!
@@davesenglish I don't share her views (kinda girl power!) but tastes differ. Sometimes they irritate me a bit. I also see your point as you are not big on accent training. But come on, her command of English is more than just 'good'. I give her credit even though I don't share her views. I believe she deserves to be the one of the non-natives you would strive to be like.
Nope, Arnel's Everyday English is one of the best. Her presentations are superb!
@@davesenglish Roman has also said some not-so-natural things. While Hadar's English is not perfect, it's definitely one of the most impressive out there. You may not like her channel and that's okay but you need to give credit where credit is due.
He doesn't like her channel because she's making more money than he's making.
You speak a lot about felling the language , could you give some examples, how does it work. I mean, how do I learn to feel the language?
Roman speaks great english, and he has very good pronunciation.
I would like to comment on "russia became independet from ussr" part, I was laughing out loud:)) russia was ussr (and still is, as we can see), all of the other countries like: Ukraine, Poland, Georgia, Moldova, Estonia, Armenia and so on, became free (or partly free) from russia. russia was the center, the heart of ussr, Empire!, that never became independent, and always occupied and occupies (as we can also see in modern history) other countries, like every Empire does!
Thanks for your videos, I do enjoy watching them!😘
I think feeling come from an awareness. Could it be something natural instead of taught? Possibly. However, you know when someone has “it”.
you must be from the former USSR
12 june is the day, when Russia (RSFSR) declared a sort of independence from the USSR. USSR = the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, 15 republics in total. Russia was just a part of the USSR, the same as Ukraine, Belarus, Armenia and so on. Each republic had a kind of their republic government and so one.
Funny part is, that this holiday directly related to the collapse of the USSR.
He really told marina "NFKRZ clears you lil bro"
I can understand everything Roman says. Does it mean that my level is above average?
Absolutely.