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  • @Beckola44
    @Beckola44 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    I agree with what you have said. I have 3 kids. My oldest son is 48, my daughter is 47, and my youngest son is 35. I also have 4 grandkids and we spend a lot of time and work taking care of them. My two sons are very good Magic players. I'm 72 and still buy cards and play Commander. However, the prices are getting out of hand and Wizards is giving you less. Pretty soon a Play Booster box will be almost double the price of a Draft Booster box. There are too many products and too many REPRINTS where you pay a high price for a sealed box and the value is just not there because the price tanks on the secondary market of certain good cards. The odds of getting good mythics and rares have gone done and the card quality is not that good. There will be at least a few more price increases in 2025. My oldest son has a huge collection of Magic cards and he has started to sell a lot of his newer cards and holding on to the older cards. I know it is a business but Wizards thrives on screwing over the LGS and the players. Cocks is the Puppet Master pulling all of the strings for WotC because Hasbro has lost a lot of money so Cocks pushes Wizards to make more money. My sons and I are not buying anymore sealed products unless there is a huge discount. We are starting to buy more proxies. The IPs now are ridiculous with the exception of LOTR. I am looking forward to Final Fantasy because I played the RPGs. Thank you for the video Marc.

  • @binformed2370
    @binformed2370 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

    FaB is FIRE

  • @andrewostman3135
    @andrewostman3135 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    Flesh and blood has been printing multiple versions of the legendaries for years now. The rainbow foils are relatively cheap. The cold foil full Arts are much more expensive. They learn this lesson right after the tales of Aria and everfest era you mentioned

    • @ThisiSaDeadgame
      @ThisiSaDeadgame 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Jarl armory deck and 3 upgrade cards is $200 wtf you talking about? Boltyn armory deck, 3 e strikes, and his main deck cards will run you $320. Most decks are about $1k even in poor places like flint Michigan armory events

    • @andrewostman3135
      @andrewostman3135 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @Legio_XII what the fuck i was specifically talking Bout was the fact that the cost of rainbow foil Legendaries are a lot cheaper than their cold foil extended art versions like how traverse the universe is 125 in cold foil but only 36 in rainbow foil.
      The fact that you arbitrarily packed a deck for an example and then decided to cost in the cards to make it as competitive as humanly possible makes your argument quite arbitrary. You can make an example out of that of any game where you take some form of starter product and upgrade it with the most expensive cards. Possible you can do it in Magic. You can do it in most every Game. My response was limited to the fact that there are multiple versions of cards. And the more expensive form holds more value. Which was a direct response to something he stated in the video. I would advise that you read more carefully in the future

    • @ThisiSaDeadgame
      @ThisiSaDeadgame 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ using arbitrary multiple times in the same sentence made your comment irrelevant. I own a business and make thousands every week doing basically nothing and I still think this is a waste of time and money. I guarantee I make more than you do kiddo.

    • @wallieescollectibles3813
      @wallieescollectibles3813 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@Legio_XII wow, some people's children 😅

    • @ThisiSaDeadgame
      @ThisiSaDeadgame 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ point is if I wanted to I’d buy a $1k deck and wipe my arse with it, if I wanted to but it wouldn’t be good crap paper and it’s an even worse tcg to play ever week. I think a lot of day one players are just and they invested so much into a game that’s slowly dying. I have not seen a TH-cam video yet with comments of people saying their group has grown. It’s the exact opposite every group at every LGS is shrinking in size. This game loses more players daily than it gains.

  • @murilohennemannable
    @murilohennemannable 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    For me, the major issue i faced with mtg was the community. I did not feel welcomed at it. Meanwhile, at Flesh and Blood i feel like i am part of a group of friends from the get go, people that will tell you how to make a better play or what you should pay attention in your next game. I feel so much better 😊

    • @Birdsandbog3ys
      @Birdsandbog3ys 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That’s how playing Sorcery Contested Realms has been for me. The smaller games have better community I think!

  • @trevorsebastian1341
    @trevorsebastian1341 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    I think the fact that the typical player is only engaged with the game for about 2 years on average speaks to how shallow the game is now.

    • @chrismartyniuk5725
      @chrismartyniuk5725 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      That's about exactly how long I was engaged for, except I stopped because of the price. I still enjoy the game and the mechanics and never found it shallow, but for me and the way I liked to play, engaging with every set that comes out, the prices were unjustifiable.

    • @Goldberry69
      @Goldberry69 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      So the game has always been shallow?

    • @lanmarknetworking3034
      @lanmarknetworking3034 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I think its almost down to a 1 year turn over now...

    • @valonthor2071
      @valonthor2071 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Im in since 2009....way too late😂 missed all the great old school stuff...

  • @ilyafoskin
    @ilyafoskin 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    This shift is most apparent from the rapid growth of One Piece but I think most of its players are being stolen from Yugioh. Japanese TCGs have a unique appeal for anime fans that western TCGs just can’t match. I can imagine Lorcana has stolen the most from Magic. I’m the counter example to my own hypothesis though because I quit Magic in favour of Digimon after the Standard UB announcement.

  • @user-hi1mj4mc3w
    @user-hi1mj4mc3w 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    Interesting discussion. I'd argue the opposite to this as recent sales have been record breaking. Local LGS is humming, MTGA is constantly busy, and the live streamer base seems stable. It could be as you say and right now is a blip. Time will.

    • @Volkbrecht
      @Volkbrecht 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      I suspect that the game is losing one audience and gaining another. WotC has good market research, they know what sells. It's just that a lot of this alienates their long-term customers (me included). I'm also guessing that the Commanderization of MTG along with the increasing release pace makes it possible for MTG players to be fans of only specific sets, and ignore products they don't like.

    • @Goldberry69
      @Goldberry69 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yes, Magic is flourishing. The attempt by various people online is push the opposite narrative is weird and is clearly out of touch with reality. Probably just a bunch of Timmies wishing that Magic is failing because they dislike UB or because they think Magic has gone too “woke” (lmao).

    • @ilyafoskin
      @ilyafoskin 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Volkbrecht I think you’re right. Once they lose most of these new UB players in their expected 2 year churn, they will discover that a lot more of their long term audience is gone.
      I noticed my LGS has moved away from Magic. They haven’t stocked a new commander deck since Modern Horizons 3 and now there are no Magic products on the shelves except some boosters behind the counter

    • @Volkbrecht
      @Volkbrecht 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@ilyafoskin Might be I emphasized this wrongly. I think they know that they are alienating the veterans, and they don't really care, because they calculate that the new audiences they aim at will more than make up for that. After all, average player retention never was very long, so that gamble will likely work out.

    • @t.yop9
      @t.yop9 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      The reckoning is coming because there's no way to squeeze the type of profits out of Magic the way Wizards/Hasbro wants. They have to release more and more sets, they have to give you less and less value. The only way to continue growth is to squeeze every drop out of the Magic player. The problem is, they're actively alienating their most entrenched players to attract new players who will stay for maybe 6 months. I'm a complete whale who spends several thousand dollars a year on sealed MTG + singles + secret lairs. Spent maybe $90 total in the last 6 months since Bloomburrow.
      10 sets released this year. A lot more sets will come out next year. Thunder Junction was $110 a box for 1.8 rares per pack. Bloomburrow was $140 a box for 1.25 rares per pack. Next year play booster boxes are going to decrease from 36 packs to 30 packs. Just watch, within 1 to 2 years play booster boxes will be like 24 for $100. People just can't keep up with this type of release schedule and pricing.

  • @tysnow9524
    @tysnow9524 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    We're you thinking of Steve aoki

  • @richarddueck1770
    @richarddueck1770 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I re-watched one of your vids from a year ago when you lamented the direction magic was going. It was prophetic: your only mistake was UNDER-estimating how low they would stoop

  • @andrewostman3135
    @andrewostman3135 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Becca Scott just released a how to play flesh and blood video today

  • @KyleTremblayTitularKtrey
    @KyleTremblayTitularKtrey 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    New management at wotc and new formats without UB is the only way

  • @tysnow9524
    @tysnow9524 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The chaos vault was my wake up call to move on from mtg for a while it's a blood bath atm. I have my position in fab I have some sorcery alpha. I ran away from yugioh since konami has been doing a bad job with the tcg. (Let's take the chase from phantom rage and shove it into a 2 player deck and kill the ev of the set) honestly it feels like I'm doing a position shift. Also mtg had the people born in the 80 hoping in the the replenishment numbers were higher. Now that we are under those replenishment numbers it will hurt the lineage of the game and the only reason mtg got expensive is nostalgia factor which the new generation dosen't have tied into mtg.

  • @mythiktcg
    @mythiktcg 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    You should give a smaller tcg like Mythik a try. You dont need to worry about high dollar cards and can just enjoy playing!

  • @rimrick665
    @rimrick665 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Wizards must make a "universes within" master's type set with magic versions of all these non-magic cards (and they will).
    As a cardboard collector/investor/player I've diverted a lot of my capital from Magic to Pokemon recently, it just makes sense and it's much easier to have zero emotional investment.
    FaB, Grand Archive and Sorcery are rightfully picking up what Wizards are throwing away and it's a good thing for everyone imo since Wizards have lost their way...

    • @ryuixyui
      @ryuixyui 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      That's the problem. Investing on cardboard is disgusting practice. Pokemon, YGO and One Piece are two of the most disgusting TCGs that only exist to milk players. Nobody buys one piece TCGs to play them. These are just hype. People are in it to collect and sell it off. These TCGs shouldn't exist since they are worse than loot boxes.
      MTG is the only major TCG that prioritizes playability. MTG is not selling out because most players do not need to buy packs, they already have their own deck then built and are looking for upgrades.
      The TCG market is so messed up that it is heartbreaking to watch. Imagine a company saying fuck money and they create a online game where every card is free then it is print on demand, your entire deck so you could play with your friends. Have contests where people design unique mechanics and are community driven.
      We need to decide if we want to play TCGs or we want to collect them. Because once value gets involved, nothing else will matter.
      WOTC laid down the law with foundations and universes beyond. Pokemon and other TCGs need to start to decide their future.
      The creator of one piece for example essentially shit on the TCG saying he hopes people discover one piece from the TCG read the series because he doesn't think TCG players can appreciate the series.

    • @rimrick665
      @rimrick665 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ryuixyui there is a "Faustian" element to it all... I'd differentiate between players desiring value from their collections and game creators operating solely in the name of profits. If magic cards lost all their value, the game would still be the game and we would play and enjoy it but there would be no new cards created as capitalism is what drives the machine...

  • @nineseven420empire3
    @nineseven420empire3 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I play MTG Arena....... Spent $20 to get started and that is it. You can not even buy a LoTR or Bloomburrow starter box or commander pre-con for that. You could get an older 2 player starter set and 2 boosters ( JumpStart 2022 or 2025 are my picks, as they come with the right land for the packs theem )......

    • @josephcourtright8071
      @josephcourtright8071 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Honestly other than sometimes getting a card for my cube, I spend nothing cause arena is Free to play.

  • @MadTownHobby
    @MadTownHobby 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    We are in the era of the indie game. Magic is getting new young players and the old ones are flowing into the inside space.

  • @chayadol
    @chayadol 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Wait you are telling me that Grand Archive, Pokemon and even One Piece, don't need to buy other IP like Dragon Ball, Sponge Bob or The Office to survive?!!?
    That's absurd!!!!!!!

  • @Spamthulhu
    @Spamthulhu 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Grand Archive is an awesome game but its method of top heavy card packs with only 1 pull is atrocious. The last set had 95 Rares or above and 24 packs per box with only 1 rare or above per box. OA case nets you almost nothing when it comes to top end cards. They really need to fix that. My gf and I have bought cases for every set but the fatigue of having so few cards on the top end for decks has just burned us out from buying a case anymore.

  • @noahhayslip9270
    @noahhayslip9270 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Union arena has been my Jam as of late.
    I like that ALOT of the flashy cards you get just for playing about LGS

  • @1Thir13teen3
    @1Thir13teen3 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Reddit is an alright place to see how popular a tcg is... the GA subreddit is almost totally dead

    • @darknebulas1167
      @darknebulas1167 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      maybe a lot of player just move to the discord

    • @mattfcruz52
      @mattfcruz52 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I have to disagree with this take, reddit being a measure for popularity. In my experience, for most of the communities I'm in, reddit is used more for a way to complain and raise awareness about the problems of a product or company or if there are things that ppl are confused about. The lack of activity in the subreddit could be due to ppl not seeing enough of an issue with the game. I could be completely wrong though and you could be correct, but I don't personally see a correlation between reddit activity and popularity being 1-1. Could be a good point and something to think about though, so I'll have to look into your point a little more!

    • @KayvaanShrike2468
      @KayvaanShrike2468 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      GA subreddit dead isn't an indication of it's popularity. GA uses Discord over Reddit.

    • @Inamena777
      @Inamena777 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The younger generation has also seemed to have moved on from forums like reddit and now not only use but prefer discord. Back to the IRC days.

    • @1Thir13teen3
      @1Thir13teen3 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ Fair

  • @Polskimg
    @Polskimg 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    7:14 what about Tomar? 😢

  • @brenp403
    @brenp403 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I watch the goldfish crew every episode and I dont think ive ever heard Richard allude to stepping back from Commander

  • @sabatierpierrick8391
    @sabatierpierrick8391 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    ppl acting like they play more for the lore than tthe gameplay XD i play since 2000 and have never been more excited than right now with final fantasy coming XD never bought as many cards as i have since lotr and i know i am not the only one

  • @mebinici
    @mebinici 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Who else cleaned out their local Costco of MoM Deluxe bundles? 😂

  • @thomascleveland
    @thomascleveland 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Magic the gathering needs what stranger things did for D&D. Just steep it in 90s cool kid nostalgia via a really good film/show and all the broccoli haircut zoomers will flock.

  • @valonthor2071
    @valonthor2071 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Yeah mtggoldfish is nice

  • @8bitgoonies
    @8bitgoonies 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I just moved over $20000 worth of magic and turned it into high end and sealed Pokemon, I also have a two year old son so I hear ya!

  • @Spiralls
    @Spiralls 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I came here to defend lorcana. Lorcana is a great game its complex and simple at the same time. Perfect mix no OTK and proper balance. U should play it. Most of the TCG players at my local shop secondary lorcana behind their primary game. Very accessible, collectable and fun. All around great game.

  • @timbusbee1483
    @timbusbee1483 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I think you need to look into FaB a bit more. They've released something called History Packs that have these high value cards with a white border, so in essence it's an uglier reprint.

  • @daviddomingo425
    @daviddomingo425 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Magic needs to collab with pokemon.😝
    I need to play charizard off 2 colorless and 3 Mountains.

  • @TheDarkElder
    @TheDarkElder 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Always good to have more insights and sources than just the few "big ones" talking about games. Magic is just cannibalizing itself, too many releases, no identity to their products anymore. Short-term it gets them some sales, sure, but players don't stay to make a connection to the game anymore like we oldies used to. Who cares about Strixhaven, Kaldheim or Streets anymore when 2025 will bring us 20 Marvel sets with all the flashy new crap surely overpowered and pushing into each and every format they are legal in.

  • @Goldberry69
    @Goldberry69 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I’ll start believing the “Magic is on the decline” narrative when the numbers start reflecting it. As of right now, Magic is doing great and the “Magic is dying” narrative is being pushed by Magic boomers who don’t like the direction Magic is heading and desperately want it to be true that this new direction is killing the game. But it isn’t. Magic is flourishing and likely will be for a long time.

    • @josephcourtright8071
      @josephcourtright8071 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I think non-commander magic is dying. So the people who don't play commander feel it.

    • @mebinici
      @mebinici 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      This. Every time I go into a local brick and mortar store, Magic products are sold out...

  • @ojizzle20
    @ojizzle20 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I get it. I feel the sentiment but, where are the multi-player formats for all these smaller games? I need to suck the homies in.

    • @noahhayslip9270
      @noahhayslip9270 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@ojizzle20 Ahem GUNDAM

  • @johnc6497
    @johnc6497 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I got into MTG back in Onslaught block and stuck with it mostly off/on for years and years, even if I wasn't playing a ton anymore, just because I liked the IP so much. That said, after a while I just stopped caring, and the many reasons for why that happened all stem from WOTC.

  • @t.yop9
    @t.yop9 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The reckoning is coming because there's no way to squeeze the type of profits out of Magic the way Wizards/Hasbro wants. They have to release more and more sets, they have to give you less and less value. The only way to continue growth is to squeeze every drop out of the Magic player. The problem is, they're actively alienating their most entrenched players to attract new players who will stay for maybe 6 months. I'm a complete whale who spends several thousand dollars a year on sealed MTG + singles + secret lairs. Spent maybe $90 total in the last 6 months since Bloomburrow.
    10 sets released this year. A lot more sets will come out next year. Thunder Junction was $110 a box for 1.8 rares per pack. Bloomburrow was $140 a box for 1.25 rares per pack. Next year play booster boxes are going to decrease from 36 packs to 30 packs. Just watch, within 1 to 2 years play booster boxes will be like 24 for $100. People just can't keep up with this type of release schedule and pricing.

  • @levijawilson
    @levijawilson 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Cube is the way.

  • @oliviersoable
    @oliviersoable 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    DBSFW is a fun little game to Play, but the hype is all on One Piece now. OP is like Pokemon TCG.

  • @michaelaraya2464
    @michaelaraya2464 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    after Magic commander bans i sold my collection and i wont buy any product from Wizard again.
    i moved to OP :)

  • @jasonyu-gi-oh1056
    @jasonyu-gi-oh1056 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Didn't realise you were married

  • @NakaliTama
    @NakaliTama 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I just built my last deck

  • @AVAUTV
    @AVAUTV 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I enjoy your videos and your personality but please dont refer to a PSA 10 as a means to show card quality 😉

  • @thekittenfreakify
    @thekittenfreakify 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Price to get in is too high. specially in eternal formats wich honestly are more attractive to new players.
    they honestly should do comp viable precons for eternal formats outside edh.

  • @Y0kAiS
    @Y0kAiS 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Grand Archive is the way, but its hard getting other people in other states from my state, other than Cali, because everyone have sheep brain

  • @GreenMonkeySam
    @GreenMonkeySam 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    One of my friends is so excited for the Final Fantasy set and is already committed to buying a lot of it. But they've also admitted they're not interested in MtG and will be dropping the game immediately after. They play other TCGs too, so it's not a person from outside the hobby.
    That's when I knew Magic had died.

    • @Elfenlied8675309
      @Elfenlied8675309 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      >" it's not a person from outside the hobby."
      That's what they are? It doesn't matter if they play Pokemon or some garbage, they're buying into Magic for whatever IP they'll personally consume lol. Like what are you talking about? They were never going to stay, they already don't play Magic regardless.

  • @katote573
    @katote573 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    lol....kids is a sacrifice. people now a days don't know what needs to be given up to raise a child now a days. That's why me and my wife talked about it and decided nah to kids so that we can enjoy our lives.

  • @lanmarknetworking3034
    @lanmarknetworking3034 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    They sold out magics name for a buck ...

  • @corinelliott3596
    @corinelliott3596 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Mtg will crash until Wotc or someone with a decent platform establishes a Universes Within format for every format lost. In addition they need to stop dropping Universes Beyond "light" sets like coyboys and racecars.

  • @nando6754
    @nando6754 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Good video dude 😎👍

  • @darknebulas1167
    @darknebulas1167 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    having started magic in 2018, I no longer recognize the games that I enjoyed since 2022 I buy almost no more seal products and the majority of what I open end up in my bulk boxes without looking at the value. 2025 will probably be my last year in magic I'm waiting to see the 2026 schedule and I'm going to try to convert some member of my playgroup to a grand archive, which will determine how I'm going to get rid of my mtg collection (convert a big part in reserve list or a few card card for a futur return)

    • @Bleezers-fm8ue
      @Bleezers-fm8ue 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Play flesh and blood it's really fun

    • @darknebulas1167
      @darknebulas1167 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @Bleezers-fm8ue i try with tales of aria but isn't my style

  • @Kamehamehobby
    @Kamehamehobby 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Dragonball masters is actually doing better than fusion world.

  • @evilnitewing
    @evilnitewing 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Sweet baby inc infected the game.

  • @456jm
    @456jm 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Online Commander is now officially a thing and it will kill MTG Arena. You heard it here first.
    Also One Piece CCG is going to die due to the upcoming Trump Tariffs increasing the cost of manufacturing cards outside the United States by 10%.

  • @bluegreen391
    @bluegreen391 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    You ignored the pokemon World Championships. Mtg is nearly dead outside of Europe and America.

    • @mosest3144
      @mosest3144 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Games dead, only being played in Europe and America??? You say this like they are tiny??? WTF

    • @Goldberry69
      @Goldberry69 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@mosest3144 people who say stuff like “Magic is dead” usually don’t have the best critical thinking skills lol

    • @mebinici
      @mebinici 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@mosest3144 these Timmies live in their mom's basements 😅

    • @valonthor2071
      @valonthor2071 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Nearly dead😂👍🏻 but only nearly ok?

  • @TheSushiandme
    @TheSushiandme 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Agree

  • @chikhaouinadhir788
    @chikhaouinadhir788 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    other IPS should be in form of events or mods or "format" in the case of MTG but not canon, when i play your game that means I'm invested in your world building and bringing other games or other worlds in your game brakes that immersion for me, because if i want to enjoy marvel world for example in a card game i would go and play marvel snap!