Coltrane's Lost Album: Jazz Release of the Decade?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ก.ค. 2018
- Here are my thoughts on John Coltrane's latest archival album and some of the hype surrounding it. (For the record, I'm talking about the 2-disc/streaming version.)
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John Coltrane died in ‘67. That might be why he ‘peaked’ in the early to mid ‘60s. Lmao
-talks about coltrane's best albums
-doesn't mention my favourite things or a love supreme
Euan Aitken orrrr meditations
Yep... I"m like what?
Honestly there's too many to mention
CO8izm true but he mentioned giant steps and that album is overrated as fuck
nah, its the best
More jazz reviews please!
Zane Shrem-Besnoy
Melon man better
kamaal williams-catch the loop
melonhead doesn't have the courage to review jazz because he doesn't know shit about theory
please no! he doesn't listen to jazz, it's clear as air
Oh fuck off, stop being a pretentious ass.
Alice Coltrane, John's wife was incredible and doesn't receive enough recognition
alakazam fam Journey to Shahahahallamana is a great album
Alexander Forslund as is Ptah el daruahnsd
Flying Lotus gives his aunt the credit she deserves and always edifiys her when he gets the chance
Aumen
I actually enjoy her music more
Honestly I think you got it mixed up mr melon. This album is called The *Lost* album because it was literally a Coltrane album that the record label just didn't release at the time. It's full of alternate takes and what not but keep in mind most albums from Coltrane at that time were 3-4 tracks and this would feature the album recording of the legendary "One Up, One Down" which until now there were only live versions from. This is the most important jazz release of the decade because of its historical context, not because it's better or worse then what's happening now. To get an idea, Kamasi's thing is very much based upon what Pharoah Sanders did and Pharoah idolized Coltrane and even got to play with him on his later recordings. Honestly I'm just happy that you're bringing Jazz up on this channel and that more people come in contact with this beautiful things, just make sure you yourself make the complete research. That's your responsibility as the "world's biggest music critic" #domorejazzmrmelon
Tiago Lageira thats bot what melon calls himself but ok
world's busiest music nerd*
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god damn it
Yeah taking Fantano to task in an area where he is admittedly (and apologetically) a fan more than a critic is unfair and u come off kinda butthurt. Also, the hype machine is what affixed the MOST IMPORTANT OF THE DECADE malarkey to this enjoyable set of basically *rehearsals* for an album, and not an actual John Coltrane Project. Plus what does greatest of the decade even mean anyway? It's such desperate-sounding cash-grab die-hard fan-boy language it's cringe. The music is cool fun, laid back and at times brilliant but it doesn't count as an " important" release just because it exists.
Melon hitting Coltrane with that Not Good
RIP Coltrane
Adamthony Neeltano
Armor Abs Krabs Thetony Licktano
Adam Neeley’s vídeo on this album is much more informed than fantano’s
At the end of the day it's JC playing the sax, Mr.Tyner playing the piano, Jimmy Garrison on the Bass and Elvin on the drums which is always a joy to listen to.
Exactly what i was thinking
Says a Coltrane record isn't as significant as modern jazz artists.
Literally mentions only Kamasi Washington.
He literally mentioned Sons of Kemet and R+R=NOW...
@Kyle Knockaert Matana > Kamasi, no contest
dawg coltrane wasn't around in the 70s. man was dead
I think he's talking about the unreleased stuff that came out in the 70s (Interstellar Space, Sun Ship, etc.)
I'm starting to suspect that fantano is responsible for Coltranes death
maybe he'll come out with a not good and that would confirm your suspicion
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Melon, I love you and you really educated me in so many ways during all that years. I'm really thankfull for you gettin me into bands like Swans, Death Grips an so on... But your jazzgame is just not up to par
Johnny Be fr doe, melon has introduced me to some of my favorite bands, but I’ll never in my life count on him for any thing related to jazz. Not his fault he’s still a sweet boy.
Strange that you say it "runs like a compilation" when it's pretty clear that the Coltrane quartet went into the session this album was recorded in to... record an album. If Both Directions at Once runs like a compilation, then what the hell was untitled unmastered?
The 2 Disc version contains multiple takes of the same songs (there are 4 takes of "Impressions", 3 of "Untitled Original 11386", 2 of "One Up, One Down" and "Villa" on the album). Assumedly there would only have been one of each had the album been released in Coltrane's lifetime.
Also untitled unmastered was a collection of b sides so it was kinda inevitable that it'd run like a compilation, and besides, it's not as if an active artist releasing their own b sides themself and maintaining a good level of artistic input and quality control is comparable to a collection of recordings from an artist who passed away more than half a century ago being re-released by a different group of people.
love your vids btw xoxo
There is one of each on the first disc, which is the album. The second track is bonus material. I don't understand what's so hard for people to get here
Like...have y’all ever seen a sessions album before? This is common practice. There are sessions releases for Giant Steps, the very album he kept comparing this one too unfavorably lmfao
Is there a compilation of Besthony Teethtano saying "at the end of the day"?
Alistair Archibald + im just gonna leave it at that
I have it but I'm not releasing it till he's dead--ie, at the end of his day.
...I could probably make that into a legitimate joke but I'm not gonna bother
"Black Focus" (2016) by Yussef Kamaal and "Antiphon" (2017) by Alfa Mist are both excellent recent jazz records (besides the ones Anthony already mentioned in the video, loved "Your Queen is a Reptile"). I can't recommend them enough, if you are a fan of the genre.
But don't go listen to these albums thinking you will hear "Kind of Blue", or "Monk's Dream", or whathever jazz album you think is "the best". These records are their own, new, fresh thing.
Edit: Oh God, and how could I forget BADBADNOTGOOD?
Those are all awesome, but that Antiphon album is WAY too slept on.
Sound8Vision I know, right?
As a bona fide Londoner you have good taste. Check Ezra collective, Nubya Garcia, Binker and Moses, Triforce. A good record to get a feel for the scene is We Out Here on Giles Peterson's Brownswood.recordings
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thank you for the suggestions! I will make sure to check those out.
Kaamal Willians just dropped a pretty nice album
Really enjoyed that, and it seemed pretty forward thinking.
This lost album kinda reminds of some of the tracks off of A Love Supreme. Which imo is the greatest jazz record of all time
damn thats a rough statement. and i dont disagree. but jazz had eras. light as a feather by return to forever is up there, and wildly different that jazz in the love supreme era.
i really get down to Miles Smiles.
why: the (second) quintet, featuring tony-fucking-williams. plus ron-fucking-carter, and wayne-fucking-shorter and Herbie-fucking-hancock.
but yes... a love supreme is a wild piece of music.
“Early 70’s” Coltrane died in 1967 :(
Went to a Jazz festival in the UK last weekend, the genre is definitely still thriving. Nubya Garcia, Alfa Mist, Tom Misch, Yazz Ahmed, Portico Quartet are all brilliant new artists/ groups
Ambrose Akinmusire is releasing some of the BEST modern jazz I've ever heard. He's really bending the genre and making something new out of it. Also a killin trumpet player!
Ambrose is one hell of a musician. Seriously, everyone is praising stuff like the London Scene (it's fucking killing over there, love me some Shabaka, Moses and the rest of those wonderful people) but shit, that stuff doesn't even come close to quality of Ambrose his stuff.
@@thewafflemancer Did you any more recommendations? I love classic jazz and besides Kasami W. and a few Scandinavian bands I dont anything new artists. In fact, I thought Jazz was dead.
@@nicolasbascunan4013 Sure. If you want modern classical jazz, people like Branford and Wynton Marsalis, Peter Bernstein, have a big catalogue to go through, but if I want to lean into a bit more modern stuff, check out some of the following people:
Brad Mehldau, Ben Wendel, Ari Hoenig, Will Vinson, Wayne Krantz, Terri Lyne Carrington, Walter Smith III, Tigran Hamasyan, Taylor Eigsti, Gretchen Parlato, Aaron Parks, Ben van Gelder, Immanuel Wilkins, Brian Blade Fellowship, Chris Potter, ...
I could go on and on, but a nice rule of thumb to discover some new artists in the jazz and improvised music scene is just check out an album. See who was playing on that record and then check those people out. Consistent bands are very rarely a thing and everyone kind of plays with everyone else. Discogs is website that can help with this, they usually have pretty complete listings.
Have fun!
@@thewafflemancer
@@nicolasbascunan4013 Man, there's plenty out there now. Esperanza Spalding, Immanuel Wilkens, Ambrose (like already mentioned), Kenny Garret are a few that'll put you in the right direction.
lil pump gets a 7
coltrane gets a "It's ok, it's decent, it's fine." 1:17
My favorite Jazz album is Late Registration
i like late orchestration
i mean i guess it's tinged with jazz at times...
as a jazz album id take graduation over anything
kanyes best jazz album is yeezus tho
as a jazz musician, this comment made me laugh.
put the score in the description please
"early 70's"
Damn, that dude must've been really hip to put out albums after his death
Glad to hear you talk about jazz, hope you do so more often!
I don't know dude I just drink blood dude
Yes Anthony pls give us more Jazz related content/reviews!!
Looking forward to hearing this entire record. Thanks Melon! YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
Jazzthony Handstano
Love you melon. Wasn't going to pester you about Coltrane, because you've got a lot of big names to review, and didn't think you were a fan, but so glad you gave it some attention (and also didn't leap on the bandwagon of "It's Coltrane, it must be an absolute essential classic"). Keep up the good work.
Also, while you were talking about jazz releases this year pushing boundaries, the Trio HLK album this year is well worth your time, really mind-blowing stuff (if you have the time for yet another record amid your busiest few weeks)
Thanks for posting!
in comparison to the sax quartets of today's young lions,that of john coltrane's has not only withstood the test of time but could really just blow most of them off the bandstand in a cutting contest.and,check out elvin's drums in the foreground of the album cover,he was able to display virtuoso technique on a very basic and small kit.bravo,jc 4tet,you've done it again!
Coltrane was lisa's best cat
He was a punk. Snowball II forever.
Bane's Super Brutal Metal Funtime they was both bitches. Santaslittlehelp the real OG.
Santa's Little Helper was the dog, though.
Bane's Super Brutal Metal Funtime you don't think I know that. he still a pet and an OG.
Oh, absolutely an OG. But he's more the family pet and we're going over which of Lisa's cats were the best (Which is, again, Snowball II).
Would love for you to be doing more contemporary jazz reviews. The UK scene is ALIVE
What impressed me so much with this recording is that McCoy Tyner and Elvin Jones seem to be playing at their absolute creative peaks. Tyner sounds as good as he did on My Favourite Things and Elvin is arguably even more technically astounding than he was on A Love Supreme.
JOHNTHANY COLTRANETANO
Thank you jack, very cool
I would definitely like to see more jazz reviews from you. I've been recently getting back into the genre and I'd love to hear about modern artists and really more of your opinions on jazz in general. I discovered Robert Glasper and Kamasi not too long ago and I've definitely been wanting more.
The mark guiliana quartet is another great example of great current jazz acts
TheZooNinjaS yep, also Brian blades band and his work with Wayne shorter is some of the best shit out right now.
Melon, Coltrane died in 1967, can't drop albums in the early 70's if you're dead ya silly goose
I appreciate that you acknowledged this, melon. 💕
Anthony, Coltrane wasn't alive in the early 70s....
i dig that subtle nod to bags and trane.
It's a 10. It's made bye Coltrane, everything he touches turns to gold.
Jazz is jazz, it goes where it wants.
THANK YOU
Good review mate
Where's that month late serpentwithfeet review?
Andrew Olsen been asking him on twitter and ig for few days now. this nigga better respond to me asap
melon why don't you do more jazz reviews I'm actually shocked at how knowledgeable you are. I agree completely with your thoughts on this album. would love to hear your thoughts on more modern groups like the bad plus and groups like high risk
Bro for real review more jazz records Im a jazz musician dope to see you talking about it !!
Do 'I Hate Mars Bars'.
Dom J.M. wrong channel
Thanks for makin this even tho you said you wouldnt
You forgot to mention Binker and Moses when you were talking about the current UK jazz scene. They released an awesome record this year!
Drake's Scoprion: Jazz Release of the Decade?
since there hasnt been anything as good as this for quite sometime,maybe it is.
"The Fear" from Year of the Snitch is the Jazz song of the year.
Certainly not each and every take is a deathless masterpiece. But some of these tracks ARE, especially 11383 & 11386, and takes 2 & 3 of IMPRESSIONS - those are top drawer Trane.
KEK the first thing he thought of for a classic rock album was Physical Graffiti.
nice video to relax to great job
heaven and earth confirmed 8/10
Gotta mention Kamaal Williams and Yussef Dayes melon.
I get what you’re saying, but it would be great to see you reviewing and bringing more attention to these places like the UK. There’s been waaaay more in jazz than just Sons of Kemet from there this year.
I totally agree about what you said about rock and jazz going threw similar growing pains. People will often just pass jazz off as a 30s threw 60s genre. They just stick to those familiar and safe sounds. But when you do that genres die. This need to change in entertainment for there to be good content.
His cover of Sound of Music, ''my favorite things'' is hard to beat.
More and more melon you find a way to piss me off
Wouldnt say his best work, but jazz musicians such as myself are just happy to have more Coltrane !
definitely need to know more jazz. barely have any in my collection
Haven't gotten around to listening to it yet. I just think its neat we get some unheard Coltrane that was thought to be lost. Not really expecting to be blown away like I was with A Love Supreme though.
Does anybody else get these crazy animations when they listen to the album on Spotify on their phone?
Henry Hoffmann Yeah I did, tbh I prefer no animation and just the cover. It distracts from the music a little.
More life is the most important jazz album of the decade.
To answer the title's question: yes.
no
To answer the title's question: Hell fucking no.
Send me recommendations of better albums then and I will actually listen to them
Kamasi Washington's The Epic, BADBADNOTGOOD's III
edit: Meta Meta's MM3
Chad Mojito 🇫🇷🍔🐀 fantano already did. The Epic is so fucking amazing it's scary. Sons of Kemet's new record is also amazing. Maybe there is a good reason to why this album hasn't been released while coltrane was still alive.
I think almost every "lost recordings" release from a legendary deceased artist, especially one as justifiably deified as Coltrane, is at least briefly hailed as the "most important release of the [time period]" for x or y genre by people who think x or y genre ended over a decade ago anyway.
I remember seeing people claiming that fuckin Valleys of Neptune was the most important rock release of the [time period] when that was released just because it was more Hendrix. A few years later, who's mentioning THAT posthumous release in the same breath as an Electric Ladyland or Axis: Bold as Love?
Posthumous releases are really cool, but there's a natural hype inflation that comes with the territory. It'll settle.
It would be cool to see some reviews or commentary on the new releases of jazz artists like Joe Lovano, Peter Bernstein, Mike Moreno, Chris Potter, Jonathan Kreisberg etc. who are really carrying on jazz with the language of old players combined with modern senses of rhythm and harmony. Some of the jazz acts you mention are cool but not really on the level of these modern masters and others who are out in NYC just absolutely shredding. It would be nice to see some of them featured for the sheer quality and experimentation in their music, but also to push these artists into the ears of people who arent already jazz fans. Many of the "modern" jazz artists featured here and really just hip R&B, which I dig but it does not even approach the musicianship of some of the artists mentioned above. Thank you
"There are a lot of cool things going on in jazz right now"
Could you then please review more of it? :(
the new R+R=NOW album is a must listen to if youre into jazz
Johnthany Coltrano
Legit got the ad for the album on this vid
I’d very much appreciate you reviewing mo jazz
SHOUT OUT TO STANDING ON THE CORNER, IF U KNO, U KNO
Christian Scott and BadBadNotGood have been blowing my mind lately.
As a Coltrane fanatic I was really excited to hear this. It's obviously no Love Supreme, but an okay Coltrane album is still extraordinary by most standards
Clickthony Baitano
Yazz Ahmed is one of my favourite UK Jazz musicians atm
Got an ad for it on this video.
I got a both directions ad...
FUCKING FINALLY, IVE BEEN DMING YOU FOR THIS SHIT, THANK YOU BASED MELON
As an album it is sort of a compilation, but it's high points are amazing. And if 11831 had come out when it was recorded it easily could have been a Real Book classic standard.
Ayyyyy i thought you weren't going to review Kamasi's new new
TFW Coltrane died in the 60's but Anthony is saying "some of you may not like his stuff from the 70's"
Ac3 there were Coltrane albums released in the 70s interstellar space etc
i like trioscapes
You're saying that when the new Kamasi Washington just dropped
Daigle Kamasi is great but no one comes close to the genius and virtuosity of Coltrane
Daigle you're saying this without watching the whole video
he mentions kamasi. watch the video, troll
Kamasi has no chops
>bebop
Lol
Shout out the man Elvin Jones
Agreed!
god, going through a Coltrane discovery phase was fun. I dug back into those Prestige recordings- AHHH the prestige recordings. I just was picking up whatever had John Coltrane on the label and whatever he did as a collabo including Tadd Dameron and Kenny Burrell. By the way that album with Kenny Burrell is top notch.
Jazz is a legacy music now and rock is becoming a legacy music. Rap seems to be too! I think Rap is on its way, it's just a lot further from that end than rock and roll. Being a legacy band or a legacy music is not a bad thing. Most of my favorite bands are legacy bands. I should clarify here that when I say legacy for bands I mean they're inactive and not likely to become active again. You get to comb through their discographies and look at everything they've done in context- what turns they took, evaluate any wrong directions, all that jazz.
I got John Coltrane performing A Love Supreme live in Seattle... it was underwhelming. I feel like the machine is not releasing his best at this point.
Matana Roberts is jazz artist of the decade in my mind.
Melon mentions Physical Graffiti
"I'm feeling a light to decent 6 on this one"
More jazz please!!! Also, in my opinion, a love supreme is his best record, it is incredible stuff recorded after a spiritual awakening he had, the album is like listening to God itself, many people cry while listening to it, I would like to know your opinion, classics week maybe?
Coltrane’s untitled unmastered
great album, these guys were in their prime. Sure, it's not "revolutionary" like giant steps or a love supreme, but it highlights a very important time and place for the group. Besides any new Coltrane is welcome and should be celebrated.
Anthony "lets not kid ourselves" fantano
All imma say is this is 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
ballads is fucking fire
a love supreme