For those wondering how you can use such a thin pad, here's how. It's a multi part answer. 1st Be relatively lightweight, young(ish) and a back sleeper mostly. 2nd Have a higher level of discomfort 3rd Choose good sites. This is extremely important. Places with lots of leaves or pine needles (aka forest duff) are soft already. Move rocks and if needed make some depressions for hips, shoulders. Typical tent sites are hard packed and shelter floors are wood, so if regulations or terrain don't allow dispersed camping, take an inflatable or sleep poorly but in a shelter it may be the snoring that is worse. 4th Practice makes acceptable. If you are capable of doing the above, you'll do ok. Evan's backpacking videos TH-cam channel shows him using just Reflectix as insulation on his AT thru hike. He also wore sandals, so it goes to show it's the hiker and not the gear. As an old guy in spitting distance (drooling?) of 70 I like a bit more comfort so I might try a 1/4" pad instead of the 1/8" these "young whippersnappers" use😜
So much of the advice about sleep systems is driven by thru hikers. No disrespect intended, but the simple truth is that if you’re not putting in 20-30 mile days and getting into camp at night, then you have plenty of time to do a proper prep as Mike points to above. Also, it seems that the gear industry exploded with the need for tents and inflatable insulated pads once people moved away from goose down mummy bags. In the ‘70’s, long before today’s young bucks and does were even a glint in their parents’ eye, we almost exclusively “cowboy” camped with a tube tent, foam pad, and mummy bag. It was so common, we didn’t even have a word for it! Was it comfortable? Not always, but it was part of the experience. The best night I ever had was spent sleeping on top of a 12” bed of pine needles.
I personally find that ground insulation is the most important piece to my overall sleep warmth. How you're able to sleep on that 1/8th inch foam pad is an absolute enigma to me. I'm envious.
Love neo air xlites. It's so nice for side sleeping and it's got some pretty decent insulation. I will say it seems to luck of the draw. We just took ours out for what was supposed to be three nights but ended after one because one of the brand new xlites deflated an hour in. Edit: thankfully REI and thermarest has great return policies/warranty.
As a side sleeper I just can’t use a thin foam pad, the pain will keep me awake. As for filling my Thermarest I use the inflation bag they have that also serves as a dry bag.
I'm 6 ft 1 and I side sleep on a 1cm matt, trimmed just below my knees, weighs 160gm. I find it fine but switch to an air matt for longer trips, mostly because it rolls up and I find its size and bulk annoying.
I grew up using the 3/8" foam pads. My back would start to hurt after a few hours, but if I rolled over on my side, it would cut off blood circulation to the leg on the bottom. Nothing worse than getting up more tired and in more pain than when you went to bed. I tried out a kylmit inflatable for the first time last year, and it's a game changer for me! I do worry about durability, but if I don't have it, I won't get much sleep anyway...
Absolutely using the inflation bag/dry sak mostly to help with longevity. Especially from what I've seen of thruhikers getting some sort of mold or something in the middle ( shining a light through it) after a about a year.
I (Felipe) absolutely enjoy this topic. There's a saying, "You're only as old as you think you are." Well I'm 61. I used to say this. Only young people say this, lol! I used to, as a kid, use blankets on my overnight hikes about 2 miles from home and use blanket for my tent. No pad at all. I was perfectly comfortable. 3 years ago I used a sea to summit pillow and a foam pad. My spinal stenotic neck got really hurt and was off work for 3 months. Well Now I use inflatable, though last year one did get a leak and I froze every time the air came out. I use nemo pillow very low and use what ever clothes to adjust the height, not the air, that makes it uncomfortable. I'm good. Cool video!
My sleep system is quite simple, used it for years....Tarp, walking staff for support, poly-cro groundsheet, foam pad 1/2", 48" long, 15 deg. bag and my jacket rolled up for a pillow, just graduated to a Trekology one from Amazon. I use a head net when there are bugs and mostly would cowboy camp back in the day.
I like synthetic more. Live in sweden and its always wet and a lot of rain and or cold and snow. My favorit 3 season "summer quilt" are UGQ 30 or 20°F (-1° or -6°C) Last year hiking in the summer in the warmest month it still got down to 2°C (about 32°F) some nights and the fog and rain was hard. I liked it 😊 My point is... it can be 22°C and sunny one minute and then the next 2°C. Thats why I use synthetic ugq quilt in summer in sweden 😊 So in depends where you are and mutch more
I feel like all the people busting his balls about the 1/8" pad have never tried sleeping on one. I was skeptical before I tried it as well but now I freaking love the thing. As long as it's warm enough it's actually completely fine. I don't wake up sore, or have trouble falling and staying asleep. They are only like $20, can get them on sale sometimes for cheaper, you might find they aren't the nightmare you think they are and can shave off a whole lot of ounces and not really lose anything.
Great overview! For a lot of summer camping, I use a 10c/50f bag. I’ve pushed the limit with a hot water bottle (not possible if you’re stoveless) or foot warmers (the kind with an adhesive side). Not a solution for every night but good insurance that can prevent a lot of outdoor folks from buying more stuff. Another tip to stay warm: if you have to pee, get up and go. Holding it will make you colder faster. As mentioned, for better sleep: ear plugs!
I enjoy your backpacking videos. I have a 20F Hammock Gear quilt. I sleep warm. I use my backpack inner bag and a kit for my NeoAir XTherm. I like silk or merino longjohns for my legs, and my half zip top for sleepwear. I may wear the longjohns if the day is cold, or even colder. The half-zip top is my everyday wear. It may be Coolibar, or Merino. I also wear a silk or merino balaclava. This is how I keep my down quilt clean, and have dual purpose daywear and sleepwear. Of course, I am not wearing the longjohn bottems unless it is cold in the daytime so I consider this clothing solution as sleepwear. In hot weather, I have a rayon shirt and nylon pants, nevertheless I still have silk longjohns bottems and a Coolibar longsleeves top. If a cold breeze, in daytime, I can layer up. If I need a windbreaker, I want layers. I have a down puffy for the campsite evening, or in the morning beforr packing up camp. I am doing my hiking in The Rocky Mountains.
Excellent video! That 1/8" foam pad also works great with inflatable pads. Cut it torso length and put it under the mattress. It'll keep the mattress from sliding on the slick tent floor as well as add an extra barrier for warmth and puncture protection. Fold the foam pad for use as a sit pad anywhere as well.
Perfect timing! I’m going winter backpacking this weekend in 0’ weather so I will be bringing a Z lite foam pad plus my Xtherm pad, my EE Enigma 0’ bag plus a fleece liner, a down blanket from Costco just in case of wind chill plus my booties and wool PJs since I sleep COLD. I may even make myself a hot water bottle Nalgene baby to cuddle with. I always wear a fleece hat and my down coat as well. I’m from Arizona so I ❤️ heat 🔥 😆
I envy those of you that can do the foam pad and just using a stuff sack as a pillow. I tried both and while I fell asleep just fine, when I woke up it was feeling pretty sore, especially in the neck when trying to use a stuff sack with clothes in it for a pillow. I take the weight penalty for both, but its what I have to do to get a good night's sleep and get the rest I need for the next day. The quilt on the other hand was a game changer. I got the Bandit from UGQ and love the fact that I can either spread the thing out like a blanket and stick my legs out when it's warm out, or buckle it to my mattress when it's time to hunker down for the colder weather. Super light and stows down very small. If I had one piece of advice it's that the higher fill power the lighter the down will be at a given temp rating. Spending the extra money on that made a huge difference vs. my lower fill power mummy bag.
I am a side sleeper and the accordion style mat is NOT a good choice. I absolutely love watching your videos and I take your advice seriously but when it comes to sleeping I have to have the air mattress. I’ve had both a pad and two different air pads and for me my Nemo tensor is amazing. And it comes with its own air blow up bag. Thank you so much for your help and advice!! It is very much appreciated 🙏🏻🙏🏻
I agree. You would have to be doing something extra wrong to just be poking holes like nothing in your mattress haha. Maybe if over inflated but still… ive slept on mine on rocks and its still great. He may be a little bias
Thanks! I love your light weight approach. I’m slowly reducing pack weight over time as I’m almost 50 years old. With that said, I don’t like to sleep on hard ground. I have an original Thermarest from 1995. Has one patch. A little heavy and takes about 30 breaths to fill up. It’s so comfortable, slept out hundreds of nights on it. Always use a ridge rest foam pad under it to protect, add more insulation and R value. I do more hiking in the New England winter so I need it. I may upgrade to an insulated Klymit pad this winter. After 25 years I deserve an upgrade! I’ll never just sleep on a thin foam pad like you man!
Loving this series dude! I’ve transitioned into using a thin foam mat like yourself and was surprised just how well I sleep on it. Really can’t see me going back to the NeoAir now unless it’s winter. Ditches the pillow as well just been using my pack under My head. I’d always end up pushing the pillow away anyways. Another great video dude ✌️ Ben
I think side sleepers have an extra challenge when sleeping on the ground. I'm trying it with 3 inflatable pillows (2 under my head and one under my ribs to take a little pressure off my shoulder). The doctor says I have sleep apnea when I'm on my back, so I don't really have a choice but to sleep on my side.
Not strictly part of a sleep system but something that is key to keeping toasty and warm on cold nights is a hot water bottle. Doesn’t have to be heavy - I use a platypus bladder wrapped in some bubble wrap or some clothing. Place that between your thighs for 20 mins and you are warm. Stays warm for most of the night. Also have warm water for the morning.
Great info as always. I would suggest not going larger on the quilt but bring pad straps. Once locked down you should be able to keep out the drafts. Oh and while we are at it, a quilt with a sewn foot box will keep out the draft there as well as give it some extra loft (=warmer). A draft collar on the head end is also a nice addition.
I would like to make note that the nemo tensor is what I have, and they have a special blow up system where you blow a little into a sac and then roll the air in. It is easy and doesn't take much lung power. But I do understand the point about something puncturing it
A few thoughts in response to your very informative video: I sleep cold, so I have a dedicated set of light weight merino leggings, wool socks & a loose fitting tshirt that I wear to bed in the summer with my Xlite pad & quilt. If I'm going on my fall/winter adventures, I will swap out my summer leggings for a thicker set of leggings, swap out my Xlite for my XTherm & also add a merino neck gator, a thick crocheted wool hat that I made & a wool sweater (all of which I would probably be wearing during the day anyways, but those 3 items do double duty for me to sleep in as well).
synthetic will stay warm even when wet. very important point when hiking in western europe. on the HRP if you take a down sleeping bag, you might regret it since you will experience dense fog and a very wet climate, especially on the atlantic part. Thanks for your video :)
If I were super trail fit and could walk dawn to dusk day after day then I can imagine I could fall asleep on pretty much anything. As an old, overweight, side-sleeping part timer who can't possibly move another inch after 15-20 miles I can say I need my home comforts to get a good night's sleep. Having said that, I'm so jealous of your pack size and weight I'll experiment with a thin foam pad on my next trip. Great thing about a foam pad is that it's an arse-mat and a siesta pad too.
Began using an inflatable mattress two years ago. Soon it was punctured. A micro puncture the manufacturer described it. I followed all the procedures. With no success. I purchased A gallon of distilled water and poured it in the pad. Inflated the pad completely. Laid it flat on the floor for a few minutes and soon there was a water drop on the floor which indicated the puncture. Drained the water out, allowed pad to dry, Cleaned the area and patched it. Job done.
@10:10, Every yr I hike Big Bear with Make a Wish/Trailblaze Challenge. Eagle Rock is freaking awesome. If you're in Southern California, look it up. 28 miles in one day for a great cause. As long as you raise the $, they put hikers up at the BB lodge for 2 nights. Epic every time!
I live in nothern Germany, in our climate a synthetic quilt is the better option for me. I used down bags for many years, but changed to apex climashield quilt due to dump down after some rainy , foggy cold days freezing my ass off. Now no more problems no matter what the weather will be.
This might not work for through-hiking, but sometimes when I camp in below-freezing temperatures I put some hand warmers in my sleeping bag, and it helps take the edge off.
I read a tip about bringing a hot water bottle, boiling some water, filling it and then putting the hot water bottle in the sleeping bag with you. Im looking forward to trying this out :)
I use a quilt because it isn't as constricting, and therefore more comfortable for me. The weight savings is just a bonus. Using the straps to attach my quilt to my pad when it's really cold, I've never had an issue with drafts.
I suspect you're a decade or two...or three...younger than me. Maybe you're just very well preserved. I usually use a hammock, but if I'm on the ground it won't be that skinny pad anymore. Maybe in my Army days in my 20's, but not at 58! Fun video!
The newer pillows that use a urethane material for the casing are quite light and pretty tough. You didn't talk about sleeping bag liners and I know that seems to be a love hate thing, but they can add a few degrees to your quilt / bag and in the long run, they do a very good job of keeping your sleeping bag a lot cleaner on the inside when you are doing hard hiking and only showering maybe once a week.
I've been using the same Ridgerest foam sleeping pad for 30+ years. I use it in winter too. I put a foam 1/2 pad underneath it. Winter trips include sleeping in weather at minus 10 F.
From my experience.... it's very subjective and age plays into it. When I was 20-30s I was just like you, move fast, go lite, walk till your so tired you just eat and sleep. Lots of miles 30-40s Slowed down, wanted more shelter and comfort, got a tent, inflatable pad etc. and fewer miles 40-55 (Now) I'm a hammock camper, complete comfort, only 10-15 miles a day and I am really looking at and enjoying my surroundings more. I have actually done the same trails a few more times just because I had gone so fast I had missed natures wonders.
You are right, same with me. I am 58 now and since last year I am a convinced hammock camper and do less miles but enjoy more now. Let us see how is Jupiter hiking in 20 years.
Definitely need some type of hat to keep your head warm especially when using quilt. I personally use a RayWay bombers cap and it’s been perfect for years
I've swapped out most of my gear for much lighter options than I started with, but my torso length prolite is now ten+ years old and still going strong, no leaks. Not all inflatables are created equal. Also, it's possible to carry a patch kit and patch in the field.
@@micaylaspencer9449 not at all; Nemo switchback combined with a Trekology UL: warm and lofty; plus I get premium comfort when resting during the day with the Nemo;
Me too, I use a torso length foam pad that I use as a sit pad to relax at lunch. It goes under my inflatable pad beneath my upper body with my pack under the pad down at my legs. Helps protect my inflatable pad from punctures.
I'm a pretty cold sleeper, so I like a mummy bag to keep my head warm, and even a shemagh to keep my face warm or use as a pillow. I'm going to see how warm I can stay inside a military patrol bag and poncho liner 🤞
definitely want designated sleep clothes. nice to get cleaned up and out of the clothes you hiked in all day. what if your hiking clothes get wet, you have to sleep in wet clothes? i use that same 1/8" foam mat, under my inflatable pad, stops the pad from sliding. but i could never use it by itself. but to each their own.
I use synthetic sleeping bag because I can dry out slightly damp clothes in it while I sleep. For pads I use an inflatable with a body length of Reflectix under it for protection and comfort, and the ability to lay comfortably on almost anything including driftwood and rocks and most thorns. Bulk doesn't bother me.
As a more "mature" (read "Over 60") hiker I actually went with a little extra weight (I typically go as light as possible, again because of my "maturity") in order to get better sleep. I use both an inflatable pad, and a small inflatable pillow. I've never had a durability problem (cross my fingers.) Inflation doesn't take very long, and it's not necessary (and even counterproductive) to fill it up too full. As usual, a good look at all the options.
I have moved on to down socks, 2 ounces and super warm. I only use them if I am using my quilt and cutting it close. It’s it’s really cold I my -20 below bag. Not socks needed. The Whites get super cold.
Regarding sleeping clothes: It depends on how long of a hike you are on. A few days, ok sleeping what you hike unless it rains. Thru-hiking long distance, a separate set of underwear and sleep shirt is essential.
Hey jupiter, keep up the great work man! Could you please put out a more thorough video of your tarp setup, tips on quick deployment during rain, site selection, etc? I'm thinking of swapping out of my UL tent but would like to have more information at my disposal before I try it out for like a 2-3 nighter
Please, blowing up my neoair is a just a nightly flex of my cardio fitness, and my favorite part of the night is re-inflating it at 2:00am once it gets a pin hole after 3 weeks on trail just as I'm getting my legs under me.
There are stuff sack inflation bags nowto fill air mattresses now. Haven’t used one, but then Ivenever used an air matreethat wasn’t self-inflating and that was decades ago. Now,the GG tri-foldtorso,the second one you showed
No on the 1/8" placemat ! NeoAir Xlite wide works well. Anyone who can use one of those skimpy foam pads, especially on rocky terrain, is 100% wilderness beast, or intoxicated out of their senses ! Well done video as usual, covers the bases nicely.
Another great video. You mostly sum up the wisdom I've gained on about 15,000 miles of thru hikes and LASHs since I turned 60. I used a foam pad on southern section of PCT worried about pointy things and punctures. But, with care and good campsite selection, I now have cushy sleep on my Xtherm----even on desert sections of CDT, AZT, & GET. At first Thermarest had some manufacturing problems that I conclude caused problems with delamination along the channels across the pad, but Thermarest stands behind there products and replaced my first Xtherm twice for multiple slow leaks that caused it to flatten after 3 or 4 hours and could only be located by submerging in water at town stops. I now find under inflating pad works better and is more comfortable. Recently located and patched a larger puncture at 2am. Patch kit is very light and essential.
My girl, my girl, don’t lie to me... tell me where did you sleep last night? In the pines, in the pines, where the sun don’t ever shine, I would shiver the whole night thru. 😉
I remember being young and able to sleep on a concrete floor with my shoes for a pillow. Now I have trouble sleeping in my own bed. I need a foam pad, an inflatable pad and an inflatable pillow with a cushion top like the Nemo fillo. The good news is that I sleep hot and I can save a little weight with my quilt.
How do you prevent perspiration from getting trapped between you and the foam pad? A compressed sleeping bag allows moisture to escape better than direct contact with foam. This is more of an issue in the summer when wearing fewer clothes under a 20° quilt. If I can get past this, I’ll stack two pads and slowly cut away what I don’t need.
What do you think of an therm-a-rest uberlight torso length? Im kind of thinking about what I would take if making the step to ultralight. It seems like a great option since it only weighs 150 grams, its warmer than a foam pad I suppose, and should be way more comfy. Also, since it is so small, it doesnt take a lot of effort to set it up after a long day of hiking. I also have a question about your use of windpants as basically trousers. I thought about cutting my rainpants and taking windpants. But then i thought, why not just use my ultralight rainpants as windpants and basically as trousers (especially combined with merino long johns). I hope you see this!
Honestly I would just use a normal neoair and focus on cutting weight in other areas. Could go with an xsmall size, or cut one down to torso sized. Another trick is to not fully inflate it so that you aren't so high off the ground. But I could change my gear to have a tent, air mattress, and stove while still being under 8lbs. I say this because the uberlight scares me in how thin it is, and I would hate to have it pop! The rain pants are cool but the advantage of wind pants is that you won't overheat, and if they do get wet they dry super quickly! On top of being lighter weight. If I were hiking in a very wet climate I'd probably go for a rain skirt before rain pants personally
wow i avoided down because in my mind they quickly get destroyed, as in feathers get compressed and stop insulating, but if u say they durable i need to try, as sintetics are just so big and heavy, biggest and heaviest item i care, definetly need try reduce it, also i dont use foam pad, i just find carboard from trash or if in wilderness dry straws or smth and make lil nest
Hi there - My husband and I are leaving for our AT thru hike next month and we have been loving your videos! Question - what degree quilt did you bring on the AT / when did you start? Thanks!
are you a warm sleeper or cold sleeper? Personally starting in march I would carry a 30* bag with some extra clothes and as soon as there are signs of the trail being warmer, I would send things home for the lighter kit. This would probably be right after the smokey mountains. you could carry a 20* if you're a cold sleeper and do the same thing. But always watch the weather, and particularly the weather in the smokeys. Good to know if it will be warmer or colder than expected so you can pack properly.
@@JupiterHikes Starting with a 20* EE convert quilt with liner (and plan on bringing my xtherm pad until after the smokies cause I sleep COLD 🥶) thanks so much for the advice!
There isn't one universal guide for the PCT, like the AT has AWOL. Honestly I don't think you need one, and haven't personally heard of a good one. Though one may be helpful in planning!
I'm a side sleeper using a nemo tensor, quilt, and exped mega pillow. My hands fall asleep, the fronts of my shoulders hurt (seem to get very tight while backpacking), and my hips hurt. I never sleep well.... I've thought about switching to hammocking but I get motion sickness very easily and out west there aren't always trees. Any tips?
I really disagree about pads. I’m an inflatable pad devotee 100%. I’ve slept hundreds of nights in many places on an air pad. You are a tough dude if you sleep on that thin foam pad! The comfort is worth it for me and fixing and patching leaks is pretty easy ( tenacious tape is extremely light). To each their own!
Good advice. Although as a side sleeper I tried and couldn't manage with a closed-foam pad. Also, do you use a preset or how do you tinker with the footage to get that tint? I dig the vibe.
I could be wrong but a deflated sleeping pad would be no worst then the paper thin pad you use... don't get me wrong if I was young I'd give it a shot. Then again I hammock so no pad needed (yes, you need an UQ and other stuff)
I've never cared for one but it would extend the life of your quilt. I probably stray away because here i've spent all this money on a really light and super low volume quilt, and it almost feels like a waste to then have this heavy and bulky liner. Not all of them are like that tho and as i've said, you get a bit more life maybe (still dew/condensation/dust/dirt getting on it). A cool situation for it tho would be if you only want to have one quilt ever, to get one that isn't as warm and is much lighter, and then periodically bring the liner as well for extra heat. Or on a thru hike, to use one during the colder section of the trail, then send it home after. Like the smokey mountains on the AT, or the Sierra on the PCT.
I like the video and its very informative but personally I think its very misleading how you explain the concept of inflatable pads without the use of a pump sack which is included and the recommended way to inflate.
When folks tell me how long it takes to inflate an air pad, I ask them : " How much time do you spend at camp? And how much of a difference is that minute and a half that it takes to blow it up gonna make?"
It doesn't look like Jupiter uses cords around his pad to attach his quilt, (don't think that 1/8" thinlight pad would work with them anyway) how does he keep his quilt tucked in? I turn often when I sleep, is there an alternative to using cords? Also, the thicker GG Nightlight Jupiter's GF uses hasn't been in stock at Gossimer (for years,) has anyone found an alternative? I use a Nemo Switchback, but that Nightlight would have more support since it doesn't have a bend in the middle in your pack
Regardless of the pad I have used, I just tuck the quilt under my body on the sides. I personally haven't had issue doing it this way! As an alternative to the nightlight pad, a lot of people use those folding ones, and then just cut off some sections. It's not the same but similar enough if in a pinch or looking to try things!
I haven't tried one but my friend hardtime really loves his and wore it pretty much everyday of the pct. I think just for weight savings and what have you I'll probably stick to the clothes i normally wear. Tho who knows that can always change!
@@JupiterHikes i like it as a base layer, and the on demand hood is great, but i love the aesthetic of the Button up and full brim hat lol. thanks jupiter
Age is a factor. You are quite young, so a foam pad is fine for you. It was for me until my late 30's. I won't sleep well without an air mattress or hammock
Cool stuff mate, thanks! Just if you could display on screen a conversion to SI unit (or celcius here) when you mention one, that would be perfect for your non-american audience! Cheers
Many quilt manufacturers give the option for an enclosed foot box or a zipped foot box. An unzipped foot box can lay flat like a blanket. The end of a zippered footbox has a drawstring "sphincter " that you could hang your feet out of, if that's what you mean
I have a Katabatic Flex 30 with that feature, and I love it. Lots of people say they never open up the bottom and wish they’d bought one with a closed foot box, but I love being able to vent the bottom.
Is there anything I can do physically with my body or gear to be less cold at night? I sleep very very cold with gear that should be more than warm enough. Someone told me sleeping on your back is warmer, I'm wondering if you have other tips like that?
Try doing a few minutes of warm up exercises (jumping jacks, jogging on the spot) before entering the bag. A sleeping bag is insulation but if you start cold, you might not be able to warm up easily.
Every one sleeps different. And sleeping bag/quilt manufacturers rate their bags very differently. Some temp ratings are the survival ratings, while other manufacturers give the comfort ratings. If you have a bag that is rated 30F survival rating, you will probably only be comfortable in it down to 40F or 45F. I really like a very warm quilt because a quilt offers lots of venting options so that you can be comfortable in a wide range of temps. You also need a pad to actually give you insulation in addition to comfort, too. The standard 3/8" foam pad will have an r-value of maybe only 1.5 which if you sleep cold, won't be warm enough. You'll need a couple of foam pads, or an insulated air pad.
My favorite thing about Jupiter’s tips is that he never takes a “one size fits all” approach.
For those wondering how you can use such a thin pad, here's how. It's a multi part answer. 1st Be relatively lightweight, young(ish) and a back sleeper mostly. 2nd Have a higher level of discomfort 3rd Choose good sites. This is extremely important. Places with lots of leaves or pine needles (aka forest duff) are soft already. Move rocks and if needed make some depressions for hips, shoulders. Typical tent sites are hard packed and shelter floors are wood, so if regulations or terrain don't allow dispersed camping, take an inflatable or sleep poorly but in a shelter it may be the snoring that is worse. 4th Practice makes acceptable. If you are capable of doing the above, you'll do ok. Evan's backpacking videos TH-cam channel shows him using just Reflectix as insulation on his AT thru hike. He also wore sandals, so it goes to show it's the hiker and not the gear. As an old guy in spitting distance (drooling?) of 70 I like a bit more comfort so I might try a 1/4" pad instead of the 1/8" these "young whippersnappers" use😜
So much of the advice about sleep systems is driven by thru hikers. No disrespect intended, but the simple truth is that if you’re not putting in 20-30 mile days and getting into camp at night, then you have plenty of time to do a proper prep as Mike points to above. Also, it seems that the gear industry exploded with the need for tents and inflatable insulated pads once people moved away from goose down mummy bags. In the ‘70’s, long before today’s young bucks and does were even a glint in their parents’ eye, we almost exclusively “cowboy” camped with a tube tent, foam pad, and mummy bag. It was so common, we didn’t even have a word for it! Was it comfortable? Not always, but it was part of the experience. The best night I ever had was spent sleeping on top of a 12” bed of pine needles.
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I personally find that ground insulation is the most important piece to my overall sleep warmth. How you're able to sleep on that 1/8th inch foam pad is an absolute enigma to me. I'm envious.
Have a womens thermarest neoair thats 6years old, been thru the mill including a thru hike and still works great. Hasnt required any patches yet.
Love neo air xlites. It's so nice for side sleeping and it's got some pretty decent insulation. I will say it seems to luck of the draw. We just took ours out for what was supposed to be three nights but ended after one because one of the brand new xlites deflated an hour in.
Edit: thankfully REI and thermarest has great return policies/warranty.
Mine got a leak over 5yrs ago, I slapped a square of Gorilla tape on it, immediately reinflated it, and it's still my go-to.
As a side sleeper I just can’t use a thin foam pad, the pain will keep me awake. As for filling my Thermarest I use the inflation bag they have that also serves as a dry bag.
I'm 6 ft 1 and I side sleep on a 1cm matt, trimmed just below my knees, weighs 160gm. I find it fine but switch to an air matt for longer trips, mostly because it rolls up and I find its size and bulk annoying.
I grew up using the 3/8" foam pads. My back would start to hurt after a few hours, but if I rolled over on my side, it would cut off blood circulation to the leg on the bottom. Nothing worse than getting up more tired and in more pain than when you went to bed. I tried out a kylmit inflatable for the first time last year, and it's a game changer for me! I do worry about durability, but if I don't have it, I won't get much sleep anyway...
Absolutely using the inflation bag/dry sak mostly to help with longevity. Especially from what I've seen of thruhikers getting some sort of mold or something in the middle ( shining a light through it) after a about a year.
Same and my pillow
I (Felipe) absolutely enjoy this topic. There's a saying, "You're only as old as you think you are." Well I'm 61. I used to say this. Only young people say this, lol! I used to, as a kid, use blankets on my overnight hikes about 2 miles from home and use blanket for my tent. No pad at all. I was perfectly comfortable. 3 years ago I used a sea to summit pillow and a foam pad. My spinal stenotic neck got really hurt and was off work for 3 months. Well Now I use inflatable, though last year one did get a leak and I froze every time the air came out. I use nemo pillow very low and use what ever clothes to adjust the height, not the air, that makes it uncomfortable. I'm good. Cool video!
My sleep system is quite simple, used it for years....Tarp, walking staff for support, poly-cro groundsheet, foam pad 1/2", 48" long, 15 deg. bag and my jacket rolled up for a pillow, just graduated to a Trekology one from Amazon. I use a head net when there are bugs and mostly would cowboy camp back in the day.
I like synthetic more. Live in sweden and its always wet and a lot of rain and or cold and snow. My favorit 3 season "summer quilt" are UGQ 30 or 20°F (-1° or -6°C) Last year hiking in the summer in the warmest month it still got down to 2°C (about 32°F) some nights and the fog and rain was hard. I liked it 😊 My point is... it can be 22°C and sunny one minute and then the next 2°C.
Thats why I use synthetic ugq quilt in summer in sweden 😊
So in depends where you are and mutch more
I feel like all the people busting his balls about the 1/8" pad have never tried sleeping on one. I was skeptical before I tried it as well but now I freaking love the thing. As long as it's warm enough it's actually completely fine. I don't wake up sore, or have trouble falling and staying asleep. They are only like $20, can get them on sale sometimes for cheaper, you might find they aren't the nightmare you think they are and can shave off a whole lot of ounces and not really lose anything.
My biggest gripe with foam is that they are always too narrow for my shoulders. So one shoulder is always hanging off uninsulated.
The foam pad weighs nearly a pound. I’ve been using the Uberlite which weighs around 5 ounces.
Great overview! For a lot of summer camping, I use a 10c/50f bag. I’ve pushed the limit with a hot water bottle (not possible if you’re stoveless) or foot warmers (the kind with an adhesive side). Not a solution for every night but good insurance that can prevent a lot of outdoor folks from buying more stuff.
Another tip to stay warm: if you have to pee, get up and go. Holding it will make you colder faster.
As mentioned, for better sleep: ear plugs!
The Klymit inflatable pads really do blow up in about 10-15 breaths, are super durable, and come with patching kits.
I enjoy your backpacking videos.
I have a 20F Hammock Gear quilt. I sleep warm.
I use my backpack inner bag and a kit for my NeoAir XTherm.
I like silk or merino longjohns for my legs, and my half zip top for sleepwear.
I may wear the longjohns if the day is cold, or even colder.
The half-zip top is my everyday wear. It may be Coolibar, or Merino.
I also wear a silk or merino balaclava.
This is how I keep my down quilt clean, and have dual purpose daywear and sleepwear.
Of course, I am not wearing the longjohn bottems unless it is cold in the daytime so I consider this clothing solution as sleepwear.
In hot weather, I have a rayon shirt and nylon pants, nevertheless I still have silk longjohns bottems and a Coolibar longsleeves top.
If a cold breeze, in daytime, I can layer up. If I need a windbreaker, I want layers.
I have a down puffy for the campsite evening, or in the morning beforr packing up camp.
I am doing my hiking in The Rocky Mountains.
Excellent video! That 1/8" foam pad also works great with inflatable pads. Cut it torso length and put it under the mattress. It'll keep the mattress from sliding on the slick tent floor as well as add an extra barrier for warmth and puncture protection. Fold the foam pad for use as a sit pad anywhere as well.
Yep, that’s what I’ve been doing lately too. Works well.
Dedicated sleeping clothes come in pretty handy if your hiking clothes are wet at day’s end.
Perfect timing! I’m going winter backpacking this weekend in 0’ weather so I will be bringing a Z lite foam pad plus my Xtherm pad, my EE Enigma 0’ bag plus a fleece liner, a down blanket from Costco just in case of wind chill plus my booties and wool PJs since I sleep COLD. I may even make myself a hot water bottle Nalgene baby to cuddle with. I always wear a fleece hat and my down coat as well. I’m from Arizona so I ❤️ heat 🔥 😆
I’m beginning to think this man has been walking the earth since it’s inception.
I envy those of you that can do the foam pad and just using a stuff sack as a pillow. I tried both and while I fell asleep just fine, when I woke up it was feeling pretty sore, especially in the neck when trying to use a stuff sack with clothes in it for a pillow. I take the weight penalty for both, but its what I have to do to get a good night's sleep and get the rest I need for the next day.
The quilt on the other hand was a game changer. I got the Bandit from UGQ and love the fact that I can either spread the thing out like a blanket and stick my legs out when it's warm out, or buckle it to my mattress when it's time to hunker down for the colder weather. Super light and stows down very small. If I had one piece of advice it's that the higher fill power the lighter the down will be at a given temp rating. Spending the extra money on that made a huge difference vs. my lower fill power mummy bag.
I am a side sleeper and the accordion style mat is NOT a good choice. I absolutely love watching your videos and I take your advice seriously but when it comes to sleeping I have to have the air mattress. I’ve had both a pad and two different air pads and for me my Nemo tensor is amazing. And it comes with its own air blow up bag. Thank you so much for your help and advice!! It is very much appreciated 🙏🏻🙏🏻
My inflatable matras is working perfectly after 3 years of intense use, just be careful with it 😝
you can always put your sock in the hole when it starts leaking, might buy you another year of usage
I agree. You would have to be doing something extra wrong to just be poking holes like nothing in your mattress haha. Maybe if over inflated but still… ive slept on mine on rocks and its still great. He may be a little bias
Thanks! I love your light weight approach. I’m slowly reducing pack weight over time as I’m almost 50 years old. With that said, I don’t like to sleep on hard ground. I have an original Thermarest from 1995. Has one patch. A little heavy and takes about 30 breaths to fill up. It’s so comfortable, slept out hundreds of nights on it. Always use a ridge rest foam pad under it to protect, add more insulation and R value. I do more hiking in the New England winter so I need it. I may upgrade to an insulated Klymit pad this winter. After 25 years I deserve an upgrade! I’ll never just sleep on a thin foam pad like you man!
Just be aware, Klymit still hasn't disclosed current r values.
I looked on their website and it lists an R value of 4.4
Loving this series dude! I’ve transitioned into using a thin foam mat like yourself and was surprised just how well I sleep on it. Really can’t see me going back to the NeoAir now unless it’s winter. Ditches the pillow as well just been using my pack under
My head. I’d always end up pushing the pillow away anyways. Another great video dude ✌️ Ben
I loved the cat in the end😍
Most helpful, and beautiful shots! Thanks Jupiter
I think side sleepers have an extra challenge when sleeping on the ground. I'm trying it with 3 inflatable pillows (2 under my head and one under my ribs to take a little pressure off my shoulder). The doctor says I have sleep apnea when I'm on my back, so I don't really have a choice but to sleep on my side.
Not strictly part of a sleep system but something that is key to keeping toasty and warm on cold nights is a hot water bottle. Doesn’t have to be heavy - I use a platypus bladder wrapped in some bubble wrap or some clothing. Place that between your thighs for 20 mins and you are warm. Stays warm for most of the night. Also have warm water for the morning.
Great info as always. I would suggest not going larger on the quilt but bring pad straps. Once locked down you should be able to keep out the drafts. Oh and while we are at it, a quilt with a sewn foot box will keep out the draft there as well as give it some extra loft (=warmer). A draft collar on the head end is also a nice addition.
I would like to make note that the nemo tensor is what I have, and they have a special blow up system where you blow a little into a sac and then roll the air in. It is easy and doesn't take much lung power. But I do understand the point about something puncturing it
You always do such a good job on your videos
A few thoughts in response to your very informative video: I sleep cold, so I have a dedicated set of light weight merino leggings, wool socks & a loose fitting tshirt that I wear to bed in the summer with my Xlite pad & quilt. If I'm going on my fall/winter adventures, I will swap out my summer leggings for a thicker set of leggings, swap out my Xlite for my XTherm & also add a merino neck gator, a thick crocheted wool hat that I made & a wool sweater (all of which I would probably be wearing during the day anyways, but those 3 items do double duty for me to sleep in as well).
synthetic will stay warm even when wet. very important point when hiking in western europe. on the HRP if you take a down sleeping bag, you might regret it since you will experience dense fog and a very wet climate, especially on the atlantic part.
Thanks for your video :)
If I were super trail fit and could walk dawn to dusk day after day then I can imagine I could fall asleep on pretty much anything. As an old, overweight, side-sleeping part timer who can't possibly move another inch after 15-20 miles I can say I need my home comforts to get a good night's sleep. Having said that, I'm so jealous of your pack size and weight I'll experiment with a thin foam pad on my next trip. Great thing about a foam pad is that it's an arse-mat and a siesta pad too.
Excellent video. I’ve always gone inflatable mattresses, but now I’m definitely considering a foam. Keep the beneficial info posting! 👟🌎📷
Began using an inflatable mattress two years ago. Soon it was punctured. A micro puncture the manufacturer described it. I followed all the procedures. With no success. I purchased A gallon of distilled water and poured it in the pad. Inflated the pad completely. Laid it flat on the floor for a few minutes and soon there was a water drop on the floor which indicated the puncture. Drained the water out, allowed pad to dry, Cleaned the area and patched it. Job done.
@10:10, Every yr I hike Big Bear with Make a Wish/Trailblaze Challenge. Eagle Rock is freaking awesome. If you're in Southern California, look it up. 28 miles in one day for a great cause. As long as you raise the $, they put hikers up at the BB lodge for 2 nights. Epic every time!
I live in nothern Germany, in our climate a synthetic quilt is the better option for me. I used down bags for many years, but changed to apex climashield quilt due to dump down after some rainy , foggy cold days freezing my ass off. Now no more problems no matter what the weather will be.
This might not work for through-hiking, but sometimes when I camp in below-freezing temperatures I put some hand warmers in my sleeping bag, and it helps take the edge off.
If you have the right bag. No need for hand warmers
I read a tip about bringing a hot water bottle, boiling some water, filling it and then putting the hot water bottle in the sleeping bag with you. Im looking forward to trying this out :)
Jed Phillips but then You have to carry an extra .5lb water bottle. Instead of a plastic smart water bottle.
@@bonnevillebagger9147 oh no!!!! Not .5 don't be a snowflake lol
@@gearjunkie3412 I've got a -35° bag but I still appreciate the hand warmers once it gets below about 20. Maybe I'm just a cold sleeper.
I use a quilt because it isn't as constricting, and therefore more comfortable for me. The weight savings is just a bonus. Using the straps to attach my quilt to my pad when it's really cold, I've never had an issue with drafts.
I suspect you're a decade or two...or three...younger than me. Maybe you're just very well preserved. I usually use a hammock, but if I'm on the ground it won't be that skinny pad anymore. Maybe in my Army days in my 20's, but not at 58! Fun video!
Nice to have you back !
What about a lightweight plastic groundsheet under your tent and foam pad inside the tent?keeps all the moisture away from your tent and body :):)
The newer pillows that use a urethane material for the casing are quite light and pretty tough. You didn't talk about sleeping bag liners and I know that seems to be a love hate thing, but they can add a few degrees to your quilt / bag and in the long run, they do a very good job of keeping your sleeping bag a lot cleaner on the inside when you are doing hard hiking and only showering maybe once a week.
I've been using the same Ridgerest foam sleeping pad for 30+ years. I use it in winter too. I put a foam 1/2 pad underneath it. Winter trips include sleeping in weather at minus 10 F.
From my experience.... it's very subjective and age plays into it.
When I was 20-30s I was just like you, move fast, go lite, walk till your so tired you just eat and sleep. Lots of miles
30-40s Slowed down, wanted more shelter and comfort, got a tent, inflatable pad etc. and fewer miles
40-55 (Now) I'm a hammock camper, complete comfort, only 10-15 miles a day and I am really looking at and enjoying my surroundings more. I have actually done the same trails a few more times just because I had gone so fast I had missed natures wonders.
You are right, same with me. I am 58 now and since last year I am a convinced hammock camper and do less miles but enjoy more now. Let us see how is Jupiter hiking in 20 years.
@@slowfox532 Tell it brother! When I was in the Army in my 20's I could have slept on cold gravel...now...not so much!
@@slowfox532 I bet like Ray Jardine. Still using what he uses now. Did you even listen to what Jupiter said?
I'm lovin' the teal & orange color grading. Nice video.
Definitely need some type of hat to keep your head warm especially when using quilt. I personally use a RayWay bombers cap and it’s been perfect for years
I agree. I bring a generic balaclava for cold nights (and mornings while packing up).
+1 on the warm hat when using a quilt in winter.
You gave me food for thought regarding sleep clothes. I sleep warm and may be able to eliminate them or reduce. Thanks.
I've swapped out most of my gear for much lighter options than I started with, but my torso length prolite is now ten+ years old and still going strong, no leaks. Not all inflatables are created equal. Also, it's possible to carry a patch kit and patch in the field.
I carry a foam pad AND an inflatable. Why suffer ?
Love it! Not suffering from the weight I hope?
@@micaylaspencer9449 not at all; Nemo switchback combined with a Trekology UL: warm and lofty; plus I get premium comfort when resting during the day with the Nemo;
Me too, I use a torso length foam pad that I use as a sit pad to relax at lunch. It goes under my inflatable pad beneath my upper body with my pack under the pad down at my legs. Helps protect my inflatable pad from punctures.
I’m loving that 2x speed blowing up the pad clip!!!! Always enjoy you vids! ✌️
I'm a pretty cold sleeper, so I like a mummy bag to keep my head warm, and even a shemagh to keep my face warm or use as a pillow. I'm going to see how warm I can stay inside a military patrol bag and poncho liner 🤞
definitely want designated sleep clothes. nice to get cleaned up and out of the clothes you hiked in all day. what if your hiking clothes get wet, you have to sleep in wet clothes? i use that same 1/8" foam mat, under my inflatable pad, stops the pad from sliding. but i could never use it by itself. but to each their own.
I use synthetic sleeping bag because I can dry out slightly damp clothes in it while I sleep. For pads I use an inflatable with a body length of Reflectix under it for protection and comfort, and the ability to lay comfortably on almost anything including driftwood and rocks and most thorns. Bulk doesn't bother me.
Ahhh,the orange blaze of the Florida trail.
down socks are a game changer for cold sleepers.
If you clip it to the bill and use the lamp it makes light so you can see more downer to eat
Dude so glad you’re back! Love your vids!
As a more "mature" (read "Over 60") hiker I actually went with a little extra weight (I typically go as light as possible, again because of my "maturity") in order to get better sleep. I use both an inflatable pad, and a small inflatable pillow. I've never had a durability problem (cross my fingers.) Inflation doesn't take very long, and it's not necessary (and even counterproductive) to fill it up too full.
As usual, a good look at all the options.
Pretty good coverage. Not sure about the wet synthetic being warm but compared to wet down no doubt.
Sleeping socks are double essential for winter hiking
Totally agree that foam pad while bulky is just nicer to use
Yet less cushy *
I have moved on to down socks, 2 ounces and super warm. I only use them if I am using my quilt and cutting it close. It’s it’s really cold I my -20 below bag. Not socks needed. The Whites get super cold.
Regarding sleeping clothes: It depends on how long of a hike you are on. A few days, ok sleeping what you hike unless it rains. Thru-hiking long distance, a separate set of underwear and sleep shirt is essential.
Hey jupiter, keep up the great work man!
Could you please put out a more thorough video of your tarp setup, tips on quick deployment during rain, site selection, etc? I'm thinking of swapping out of my UL tent but would like to have more information at my disposal before I try it out for like a 2-3 nighter
Please, blowing up my neoair is a just a nightly flex of my cardio fitness, and my favorite part of the night is re-inflating it at 2:00am once it gets a pin hole after 3 weeks on trail just as I'm getting my legs under me.
12:40 smooth cut. Loving it
Good stuff. Fighting over the foam vs inflatable debate myself. Don't mind foam but have been interested in a more comfortable nights sleep
Warmer too! It's a tough battle between the two
There are stuff sack inflation bags nowto fill air mattresses now. Haven’t used one, but then Ivenever used an air matreethat wasn’t self-inflating and that was decades ago. Now,the GG tri-foldtorso,the second one you showed
1:04 that’s no pad my good sir. 🤣
Ikr? As far as I can tell it has an R-value of 0,5... At that point why even bother using a pad when it's that thin and cold? :-P lol
@@metouw exactly. Why not use tyvek or polycro for your ‘pad’?
Have you not used the Schnozzle as a pack line to make air mattresses much less faff?
This gives me some things to think about
No on the 1/8" placemat ! NeoAir Xlite wide works well. Anyone who can use one of those skimpy foam pads, especially on rocky terrain, is 100% wilderness beast, or intoxicated out of their senses ! Well done video as usual, covers the bases nicely.
Also, with a proper warmth pad,you don’t need a lower temperature rated quilt, balances the weight
they have patches for inflatable pads and they don't weigh much. Inflatable pads can also be inflated with an attachable pump bag.
Another great video. You mostly sum up the wisdom I've gained on about 15,000 miles of thru hikes and LASHs since I turned 60. I used a foam pad on southern section of PCT worried about pointy things and punctures. But, with care and good campsite selection, I now have cushy sleep on my Xtherm----even on desert sections of CDT, AZT, & GET. At first Thermarest had some manufacturing problems that I conclude caused problems with delamination along the channels across the pad, but Thermarest stands behind there products and replaced my first Xtherm twice for multiple slow leaks that caused it to flatten after 3 or 4 hours and could only be located by submerging in water at town stops. I now find under inflating pad works better and is more comfortable. Recently located and patched a larger puncture at 2am. Patch kit is very light and essential.
My girl, my girl, don’t lie to me... tell me where did you sleep last night? In the pines, in the pines, where the sun don’t ever shine, I would shiver the whole night thru. 😉
I remember being young and able to sleep on a concrete floor with my shoes for a pillow. Now I have trouble sleeping in my own bed. I need a foam pad, an inflatable pad and an inflatable pillow with a cushion top like the Nemo fillo. The good news is that I sleep hot and I can save a little weight with my quilt.
How do you prevent perspiration from getting trapped between you and the foam pad? A compressed sleeping bag allows moisture to escape better than direct contact with foam. This is more of an issue in the summer when wearing fewer clothes under a 20° quilt. If I can get past this, I’ll stack two pads and slowly cut away what I don’t need.
What do you think of an therm-a-rest uberlight torso length? Im kind of thinking about what I would take if making the step to ultralight. It seems like a great option since it only weighs 150 grams, its warmer than a foam pad I suppose, and should be way more comfy. Also, since it is so small, it doesnt take a lot of effort to set it up after a long day of hiking.
I also have a question about your use of windpants as basically trousers. I thought about cutting my rainpants and taking windpants. But then i thought, why not just use my ultralight rainpants as windpants and basically as trousers (especially combined with merino long johns). I hope you see this!
Honestly I would just use a normal neoair and focus on cutting weight in other areas. Could go with an xsmall size, or cut one down to torso sized. Another trick is to not fully inflate it so that you aren't so high off the ground. But I could change my gear to have a tent, air mattress, and stove while still being under 8lbs. I say this because the uberlight scares me in how thin it is, and I would hate to have it pop! The rain pants are cool but the advantage of wind pants is that you won't overheat, and if they do get wet they dry super quickly! On top of being lighter weight. If I were hiking in a very wet climate I'd probably go for a rain skirt before rain pants personally
How do you stop yourself from getting drenched in sweat?
wow i avoided down because in my mind they quickly get destroyed, as in feathers get compressed and stop insulating, but if u say they durable i need to try, as sintetics are just so big and heavy, biggest and heaviest item i care, definetly need try reduce it, also i dont use foam pad, i just find carboard from trash or if in wilderness dry straws or smth and make lil nest
Cool dude. Always good info!
Hi there - My husband and I are leaving for our AT thru hike next month and we have been loving your videos! Question - what degree quilt did you bring on the AT / when did you start? Thanks!
are you a warm sleeper or cold sleeper? Personally starting in march I would carry a 30* bag with some extra clothes and as soon as there are signs of the trail being warmer, I would send things home for the lighter kit. This would probably be right after the smokey mountains.
you could carry a 20* if you're a cold sleeper and do the same thing. But always watch the weather, and particularly the weather in the smokeys. Good to know if it will be warmer or colder than expected so you can pack properly.
@@JupiterHikes Starting with a 20* EE convert quilt with liner (and plan on bringing my xtherm pad until after the smokies cause I sleep COLD 🥶) thanks so much for the advice!
Hellos @jupiterhikes! Aside from the Guthook app, what paper guide do you recommend for the Pacific Crest Trail?
There isn't one universal guide for the PCT, like the AT has AWOL. Honestly I don't think you need one, and haven't personally heard of a good one. Though one may be helpful in planning!
@@JupiterHikes Thank you! 🏕
@@JupiterHikes Thank you so much! 💯 🙌🏽
I'm a side sleeper... How can you be comfy on a thin foam pad???? you need amazing ground or there's tricks?
I'm a side sleeper using a nemo tensor, quilt, and exped mega pillow. My hands fall asleep, the fronts of my shoulders hurt (seem to get very tight while backpacking), and my hips hurt.
I never sleep well....
I've thought about switching to hammocking but I get motion sickness very easily and out west there aren't always trees.
Any tips?
I really disagree about pads. I’m an inflatable pad devotee 100%. I’ve slept hundreds of nights in many places on an air pad. You are a tough dude if you sleep on that thin foam pad! The comfort is worth it for me and fixing and patching leaks is pretty easy ( tenacious tape is extremely light). To each their own!
are these thermarest pads better than the no brand foam pads? if yes why?
Good advice. Although as a side sleeper I tried and couldn't manage with a closed-foam pad. Also, do you use a preset or how do you tinker with the footage to get that tint? I dig the vibe.
Im small but have hips. It just might be easier for guys to sleep on hard surfaces... Fewer pronounced curves.
I could be wrong but a deflated sleeping pad would be no worst then the paper thin pad you use... don't get me wrong if I was young I'd give it a shot. Then again I hammock so no pad needed (yes, you need an UQ and other stuff)
Jupiter do you cold soak your weed?
Bro did we used to play hacky sack in Dupont Circle?
Thoughts on a Bag liner?
I've never cared for one but it would extend the life of your quilt. I probably stray away because here i've spent all this money on a really light and super low volume quilt, and it almost feels like a waste to then have this heavy and bulky liner. Not all of them are like that tho and as i've said, you get a bit more life maybe (still dew/condensation/dust/dirt getting on it). A cool situation for it tho would be if you only want to have one quilt ever, to get one that isn't as warm and is much lighter, and then periodically bring the liner as well for extra heat. Or on a thru hike, to use one during the colder section of the trail, then send it home after. Like the smokey mountains on the AT, or the Sierra on the PCT.
I like the video and its very informative but personally I think its very misleading how you explain the concept of inflatable pads without the use of a pump sack which is included and the recommended way to inflate.
When folks tell me how long it takes to inflate an air pad, I ask them : " How much time do you spend at camp? And how much of a difference is that minute and a half that it takes to blow it up gonna make?"
It doesn't look like Jupiter uses cords around his pad to attach his quilt, (don't think that 1/8" thinlight pad would work with them anyway) how does he keep his quilt tucked in? I turn often when I sleep, is there an alternative to using cords?
Also, the thicker GG Nightlight Jupiter's GF uses hasn't been in stock at Gossimer (for years,) has anyone found an alternative? I use a Nemo Switchback, but that Nightlight would have more support since it doesn't have a bend in the middle in your pack
Regardless of the pad I have used, I just tuck the quilt under my body on the sides. I personally haven't had issue doing it this way! As an alternative to the nightlight pad, a lot of people use those folding ones, and then just cut off some sections. It's not the same but similar enough if in a pinch or looking to try things!
off topic but you ever try a sun hoodie? would be curious to hear what you think vs a button up & hat (which seems to be your favorite!)
I haven't tried one but my friend hardtime really loves his and wore it pretty much everyday of the pct. I think just for weight savings and what have you I'll probably stick to the clothes i normally wear. Tho who knows that can always change!
@@JupiterHikes i like it as a base layer, and the on demand hood is great, but i love the aesthetic of the Button up and full brim hat lol. thanks jupiter
Age is a factor. You are quite young, so a foam pad is fine for you. It was for me until my late 30's. I won't sleep well without an air mattress or hammock
Thanks
Youre hardcore and young. Love it but am amazed you can only use the thin pad and clothes for a pillow. Bless you
Cool stuff mate, thanks! Just if you could display on screen a conversion to SI unit (or celcius here) when you mention one, that would be perfect for your non-american audience! Cheers
Do you know if there are any quilts with a flap, or zipper on the bottom? I like to stick my feet out sometimes.
The foot box of the quilts are often zipped or sewn shut. Either way i just pull my feet out.
Many quilt manufacturers give the option for an enclosed foot box or a zipped foot box. An unzipped foot box can lay flat like a blanket. The end of a zippered footbox has a drawstring "sphincter " that you could hang your feet out of, if that's what you mean
I have a Katabatic Flex 30 with that feature, and I love it. Lots of people say they never open up the bottom and wish they’d bought one with a closed foot box, but I love being able to vent the bottom.
Is there anything I can do physically with my body or gear to be less cold at night? I sleep very very cold with gear that should be more than warm enough. Someone told me sleeping on your back is warmer, I'm wondering if you have other tips like that?
Try doing a few minutes of warm up exercises (jumping jacks, jogging on the spot) before entering the bag. A sleeping bag is insulation but if you start cold, you might not be able to warm up easily.
Every one sleeps different. And sleeping bag/quilt manufacturers rate their bags very differently. Some temp ratings are the survival ratings, while other manufacturers give the comfort ratings. If you have a bag that is rated 30F survival rating, you will probably only be comfortable in it down to 40F or 45F. I really like a very warm quilt because a quilt offers lots of venting options so that you can be comfortable in a wide range of temps.
You also need a pad to actually give you insulation in addition to comfort, too. The standard 3/8" foam pad will have an r-value of maybe only 1.5 which if you sleep cold, won't be warm enough. You'll need a couple of foam pads, or an insulated air pad.