Ending the Maki vs Hakari Debate
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- Jujutsu Kaisen Maki Zenin vs Hakari Kinji is one of the most debated fights in the community. Between the three heavy hitters of Jujutsu Society there is always a lot of controversy, but its time to settle the score and stop the debate. Maki vs Hakari or Kinji Hakari vs Maki Zenin is solved, from this moment on and no JJK theory or JJK theory will disprove this analysis as it is the greatest of all time.
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It's the natural selection. It doesn't necessarily comes down in power but also the match up.
For example, Yuji vs Mahito
Mahito was still stronger
@@random0activity true but Yuji is immune to idle transfiguration and his domain. Yuji was the only one who could touch and therefore hurt Mahito's soul
So Hakari would win? What's you're point
@@Grayson-Winchester Yeah but he needed the support of Todo, Sukuna, Nobara and Luck to defeat Mahito. So the match up is more of an impairment than a counter
@@Grayson-Winchesteris sukuna able to hurt mahito?
I like how no one watched the video and immediately went to the comments section to complain upon video being uploaded
Or they found out Hakari can lose😱😱
But fr tho, give Hakari fans a fight with 20 F fresh Meguna and they will somehow argue for him winning
@@mortalrangeryeah man hakari fans started tripping they are gonna argue him defeating gojo and sukuna at the same time because "İmMoRtAliTy" lol
Just wait for S3 lmao, everyone ass will switch up
how would sukuna beat hakari?@@mortalranger
@@jeffbell9129 it's a joke about Hakari Glazers
(He cool)
Domain Man vs Anti Domain Girl
not really, maki's domain invulnerability is useless in this matchup. Hakari's domain is a buff for himself, its not mean to be a sure hit
@@justyouraveragehumanbeing7411i mean I sincerely doubt hakari can just open his domain without an opponent. And even if he can once he is in jackpot maki could just hide for 5 minutes fully recover her damage and then attack him when jackpot ends
Hakari's DE is non-lethal, which means the "rules" of the domain must be explained in order for the domain to work. Hakari's sure hit is the rules, and maki cant be targeted which means no jackpot@@justyouraveragehumanbeing7411
@@justyouraveragehumanbeing7411Hakari's DE is non-lethal, which means the "rules" of the domain must be explained in order for the domain to work. Hakari's sure hit is the rules, and maki cant be targeted which means no jackpot
@Arandomperson944 the easy explanation is that maki is personally familiar with hakari and would know how his abilities work and vice versa. But assuming she doesn’t for the sake of the matchup she would be able to figure it out after the first jackpot round since no way is hakari beating her in 1 round
There's a chapter that shows tengen referencing that the rule dump of non-lethal domains is critical to them functioning so with it not being able to target maki his domain would be even more unlikely to work.
What chapter? Well I guess what arc
@@BooskiD If it was during the perfect preparation arc it was a flashback to the time frame of the perfect preparation arc but I don't remember the exact chapter I just remember the panel.
@@BooskiD If it was during the perfect preparation arc it was a flashback to the time frame of the perfect preparation arc but I don't remember the exact chapter I just remember the panel.
i mean we also have Kenjaku and Yuki basically saying Tengen is a pseudo-intellectual with armchair knowledge over actual experience and we're literally fucking told trusting him isn't a good idea so i dunno about that lel
whats more likely is the info dump fails because sorcerers don't think about the possibility of it missing so they don't think about other means of ensuring it hits because to a sorcerer cursed energy is everything and tend to be conditioned towards certain patterns or ways of thinking so most don't plan for when their expectations are proven wrong or fail to actually account for the situation kek
this wide range of thinking and preparation along with adaptability is actually one of the main things that sets Sukuna above almost if not everyone in JJK, he's simply seen more and thought up more counters or potential what ifs than most others and doesn't have the same restrictions that Jujutsu society and the modern day impose on most others
he can enter in jackpot so if his domain counts maki as a object then hakari could still use it its not like someone has to be in the domain for it to work
I mean didn’t Dagon had his domain up for the disaster family to chill in so maybe it possible
That was an incomplete domain though if I remember clearly they entered it by opening a door in a room. It was basically like Megumi's domain.
@@EmmanuelGbiaye it was incomplete really
I’m pretty sure he said to activate domain not to keep it up you might need a target to activate the domain but maybe not to keep it up (also they had kenjaku and mahito they could’ve easily just left a cursed spirit or transfig human in there as the target but it’s not confirmed and choso wasn’t really shown until shibuya I’m pretty sure unless I’m trippin so he could’ve been there to)
@@EmmanuelGbiayedagons domain wasn’t incomplete or at least it never said it was
@@EmmanuelGbiayedagon is the 5th best domain user in the series, he's able to actually turn off his sure hit.
And is able to hold his domain for weeks on end.
dagons kinda him (using domains) untill we hit gojo,sukuna,kenjaku and yuta.
Maki overwhelmes the gambling addict with her sheer mASS
she 16, i CANNOT be your lawyer dawg 😭🙏
@@_shura she's 16 and so am i, no need for lawyer buddy
@@_shuraWE MOVIN TO PHILIPPINES WITH THIS ONE (lowest 16)🔥🔥🔥🔥
Except that wont work on him since he likes femboys.
@@rocker8890 you guys get really creative when it comes to this sort of things huh?
“Who would win her or you”
“Well if she stabbed me with het soul split katana it would cause me a little trouble”
“But would you lose?”
“Nah i’d gamble”
ok man
Always bet on hakkari 💸🔥🔥🔥
ALWAYS BET ON HAKARI!!!🔥🔥🔥
about the hakari not being able to fully dodge kashimos lighting strike im pretty sure it was stated the lighting is a sure hit effect without the use of a domain
It is but from what we've seen he was still just able to move his head
Because it homes and is way faster than the verse.
@@jackaboynaylor9273the lightning works with charges that attract each other so yeah you can’t dodge it
yes but he could only just about move his head if he was fast enough would of just tagged his hand but it took his whole arm
@@JD-ws3lk You can but JJK doesn't have the travel speed to outpace the bolt and weave around it until it disappears.
Because maki would fold him lmfao it’s such a terrible matchup for Hakari
It is
You're right! You're so right!!!!!
Hakari: Nah id win
W
Maki is not winning lmaoo, stop glazing so hard
Maki simply wouldn't be effected by Hakari's cursed technique. And it also makes no sense for Hakari's domain to work on its own. Otherwise he would've came into the Uraume fight already in jackpot
It's a narrative device because it wouldn't create hype if hakari is already in jackpot. Otherwise hakari could've hit jackpot with even yuta or kusakabe inside the domain.
@@the_alaric *no proof of that though, we have no concrete evidence to prove it works with just him*
@@the_alaricyea but the show isn’t just about “hype” if an important detail like that was to be the case it would’ve been explained when he first used his domain or we would’ve gotten an example of it on a fight that’s not the big like hakari vs the manga dude
Not true, why would he waste his time limit if he wasn't fighting, its logical to activate it the moment he starts battle, that's like saying Yuta can't use awakened rika without an opponent because he only uses her after he engages in battle, stupid take tbh
@@Jahito_EBT The point stands, if Hakari wanted he could've hit jackpot with Kusakabe or even Kirara for that matter, he didn't because it takes away the stakes of the story.
Couldn't Maki just, destroy the barrier from the outside? Literally making it so Hakari just can't even get his jackpot in the first place.
Yeah but it’s unnecessary, unless I’m mistaken hakari won’t be able to play the game in the first place. The sure hit explanation won’t affect maki and unless hakari can verbally describe the rules he won’t be able to do anything
@@AustinAvatar the domain would count maki as an object therefore there's no reason for the domain to give any information there for hakari can roll for jackpot and maki won't even know also hakari can get jackpot without others shown by him entering the kashimo fight with jackpot
@@criptamintlance103 You're forgetting that one of the rules for activation is that someone else must be given the rules for the domain to take effect. Otherwise it would be stupid of hakari to gamble putting his opponents in the domain and instead he would've flipped the durability of the domain wall and just played alone if he could cause that would be safer. The fact that he never does this implies that he needs at least one other person to play and because Maki isn't considered a person he would never be able to play
Don't tell me what to do
bro did not let the title slide
this made my day
Don't come here then
@@tingle2323its a joke lil nga
I think it depends on how you pit them against each other. If you put them both in a casino and see who makes more, Hakari takes it. If it's who's killed more clans Maki takes it. If it's who's more dominant in their respective relationship, it goes either way
@@JA-zo8su You do realize that was a joke, right?
makis glaze is crazy shes not killing hakari before jackpot and once hakari gets jackpot speedwise shes NOT keeping up
@@IMRTLDAN why wouldn't she be able to keep up?
Maki for sure wins not only does she just out stat him. His imortality doesn’t mean shit to the soul split katana as shown time and time again in jjk damage to the soul can’t be healed by rct. Even if it could he’d still lose because if hakari gets his head cut off he dies which maki could definitely do fairly easily.
@@IMRTLDANtoji was able to keep up with gojo who uses almost zero cursed energy using his technique, ampllifying his attacks,and reinforcing his body. Either maki gets exhausted while hakari has jackpot or hakari runs out of cursed energy to pop his domain again assuming that maki doesnt just one shot him while his technique is burnt out
Hakari with Jackpot is almost immortal, but Maki would probably kill him before he had time to enter Jackpot and even with his absurd healing the Soul-Split Katana would probably still kill him.
Not probably, definitely, u literally can’t heal the soul so he would just get low diffed. She also doesn’t get effected by domains
@@narisdeuce 🤓Uhm acktually, Maki is only not effected by the sure hit of domains, domains such as sukuna's will still hit her
@@Pomet-w8yonly the dismantle not cleave also sukuna has to manually target maki.
@@narisdeucewhere do u get you cant heal the soul?
@@barebevil. todos hand that was damaged by mahito
Infinite energy vs no energy
Weapon that ignores durability (plus possibly damaging the soul, which would affect rct) vs punch and kick
@@hungrynibba4152 if it was toji it would be gambler vs gambler
infinite energy vs no energy (aka full heavenly restriction 💀)
@@hazzaelnegro what are you even saying
Hikari is bringing hands to a knife fight against a God of physicality... he is getting his head cut off
Nah if hakari was able to regenerate his Face from LIGHTNING BEFORE IT COULD HIT HIS BRAIN he could regenerate a slice :)
I can't believe this match is still being debated. Hakari's DE is non-lethal, which means the "rules" of the domain must be explained in order for the domain to work. Hakari's sure hit is the rules, and maki cant be targeted which means no jackpot
Maki counts as an object bro does not need to explain rules against a object
The only evidence we have of souls being unable to heal through RCT is Mahito, but all it confirms is that idle transfiguration cannot be undone. Since his technique literally alters the shape of the soul it would be impossible to change it back to normal.
Mahito also confirmed that damage done to the soul can not be healed
@@mgspurge7934 Which chapter? I genuinely don’t know when it’s stated
@@Cookieunks123 I could be wrong (going off of memory here) but ima check and let you know
@@mgspurge7934 Do you remember who said it? I know that Maki during the more recent chapters was speculating whether or not he could heal wounds made by the SLBlade
@@mgspurge7934he did not it's all idle transfiguration you made it tf up
One thing that always baffles me is when people use the sequence of Hakari reacting but not dodging Kashimo's lightning bolt to downscale the top verse's speed: KASHIMO'S LIGHTNINGS ARE SURE-HITS, HOW FAST YOU ARE DOESN'T MATTER IN THIS CASE
If he loses his head he dies. It's not that difficult of a fight for Maki
Kashimo dogwaters maki ( if you say otherwise you are a glazing monkey with drools ) and maki couldn't properly keep up with yuji against a 15 finger sukuna WHILE he was weakened by fushiguro's soul ... hakari kept up with kashimo in base ...
@@Depressed_until_deadfacts bro people ain’t knowing
@@Depressed_until_dead none of what you just said was accurate
@@Depressed_until_dead That is completely wrong 😭 Also I wouldn't say Hakari kept up, he would've died 4 times without jackpot
@@Depressed_until_deadkashimo is dead how can he fight maki? 🤣
Maki > Hakari
Maki beats him in base before he can hit any jackpot
gojo already pretty much confirms that yuta and hakari are the 2 strongest students by saying that they could jump in the fight with sukuna only if he got weaker than them 2
hakari looses to maki because she's a bad matchup not because she's stronger
Facts like I don’t understand this bias banter. He can hit jackpot by himself . His ct doesn’t affect his opponents directly. Not to mention everything you just said. So I’m guessing by their logic maki can beat yuta aswell
@@HailDarkseidexactly this, maki only wins if she has soul splitter because that weapon is broken. Hakari fully overwhelmed Kashimo in jackpot. Even without his CT kashimo is stronger than maki especially when you consider the narrative.
Its a good fight but if maki had has something like playful cloud or no weapons she's losing
@@WristTapeDrowzzy lol he doesn’t even know that hakari hit jackpot by himself right before fighting urame … this dude isn’t a real anime fan or watcher . He doesn’t know what he’s talking about ever . He’s just on a bandwagon
@@HailDarkseidwhere was it stated that hakari got jackpot before fighting uraume
@@muhammadharisfirdausbinhairuza go back and read it
I mean Hakari's jackpot still has the prerequisite of targeting the opponent with the Sure Hit of giving them information regarding his domain
Which won't Target Maki so Hakari can't get Jackpot.
This! Thank you! The reading comprehension of JJK readers continues to astound me. It's pretty clearly stated how that interaction would go.
I think he could explain the rules himself, but that would take a really long time
@@thefanciesttortoise557 Maki already knows about his domain(probably), so if you didn't want to take that into account, just make it Toji v.s Hakari instead. Hakari still probably loses but yeah his domain would work
Real debate whos a better pairing to yuta :maki uro or rika
Rika: if they both seduced yuta, they might cause me a little trouble
"would you lose yuta?"
Rika:Nah, i'd peg
Meanwhile yuta: kissing the cockroach curse spirit
Yuta x Cockroach curse is peak
Initially I was pretty convinced of the Maki ship but then I remembered that the only instance of any kind of intimacy was in JJK0. Literally before the series even began Lmao
@@SaucenoatNah, that one lil girl from Shibuya...she is the one
Hakari would never even be able to activate his domain’s effect due to him being u able to transmit the rules using his domain’s sure-hit. As Tengen stated, rules of nonlethal domains must be explained for the domain to go into effect. As you all know, Hakari satisfies this requirement by using his domain’s sure-hit function as a way to quickly transmit the rules. Since Maki can’t be targeted, Hakari’s domain will never go into effect.
There is one fact everyone seems to forget about, Hakari's domain won't work on maki unless he verbally explains in since his surehit info dumb wont target maki. Tengan said non fatal domains must have their domain rules explained fully in order for it to work on the target. This is seen with higuruma when he faught both yuji and sukuna later on. Hakari made his sure hit the info dumb so he doesnt have to explain it, but that surehit wont hit maki. Therefore hakari wont be able to enter jackpot before maki blitzes him
I mean Maki already knows about him and his domain so it would work on specifically her
Why is this a debate? Hakari's only a close range h2h fighter and maki bullies in that.
It's simple
We can't fully assume, but Dagons domain pre-awakening was used as like a lounge for the Disasters, so we can maybe assume Domains can be opened without targets
It could be argued that non-lethal domain might work differently because explaining the rules is needed for them to function or one of the other disaster curses was the target used to open the dagons domain
Hakari has an old-style domain where the info-dump (explanation of the rules) is necessary, we know this based off of chapter 164
There's a difference between choosing not to target people in your own domain and there literally being no one to target. In theory the only domain that could be activated on it's own is sukuna's because it actively targets the terrain.
Saying Hakari isn’t a lightning timer because he didn’t dodge a can’t miss attack is crazy slander
His BIQ is also above most that we’ve seen in the series, with the domain relocation and thinking to eject the CE of the lightning bolt out of his nose
Also Hakari’s pseudo spins are a huge advantage against maki where he can essentially reset damage she does in the domain and possibly outside of it
@@whateverthisis8101not outside
The only way I see Hakari winning is if infinite cursed energy also means the soul can be healed via cursed energy (other than RCT)
Even without maki's inmunity to domains she would win
Nope
@@the_alariccope 😂
@@hungrynibba4152 Me when I have no arguments:
Nah, if hakkari hits jackpot he might win...
at base lvl maki wins hakkari
@@r.k.hariharan3741
- If Hakari uses his jackpot might cause her a little trouble
-But would her lose
-Na I-d win
Naoya's domain didn't see Maki as an object because of her heavenly restriction it was his overwhelming sexism
A guy who depends on his domain vs someone who isn't affected by domains. I wonder who will win this fight it may be close lol
Imo maki would kill him before he gets jackpot. The reason is because we can assume that the info dump of hakaris sure hit should qualify as the revealing ones hand binding vow which is probably part of the reason he never needs more than 30 spins even though the odds are 1/239. Without the info dump it will take much longer for him to actually get jackpot, and every jackpot after that will take longer leaving him vulnerable more than enough time for Maki to get the W
completely just ignored the fact that Hakari has huge luck.
@@28jvsondatbeat no i didn't. 1/30 everytime in 1/239 odds is more than just being lucky. So wtf are you talking about
@@2406west it's Hakari, chances don't mean anything to him since he consistently gets jackpot under like 4 tries. Maki's fast, but that doesn't mean Hakari isn't.
@@28jvsondatbeat cool which is even more evidence that supports my point and not yours. You realize that right?
The main problem for Hakari is the fact that Maki counts as an inanimate object to Domains. Hakari uses his Domain on her and either she doesn't get inside the barrier to begin with, or she can leave the Domain. Then she just breaks the external barrier of Hakari's Domain.
Maki does not have to interact with his gimmick like everyone else does.
the fight starts:
-Maki is foldin hakari
-Hakari domains
-Maki doesn’t consent and the idle gambler isn’t tryna catch a case so he can’t force her in
-Regardless of whether he can have domain up without a target maki just breaks it from the outside
- Hakari is now tired from expanding his domain for nthn
-Maki continues to fold him
Maki unironically wins with little to no difficulty
Always bet on… you get it.
Who?, the guy currently getting mid-diffed by Uraume 😭
Mid-diffed? Maybe…BUT U KNOW WHAT THEY SAY! ALWAYS BET ON HAKARI!
@@hungrynibba4152 It'd be hilarious if hakari was shown back in his crib clapping his femboy's chicks with uraume's head on his wall 😂
@@hungrynibba4152 Mid diffed? You're defo a troll nobody who actually read that chapter seriously thinks that💀💀
@@hungrynibba4152 idk what you talking about, the one chapter we got of their fight we see hakari dominating
I think hakari is overall stronger but it's a bad matchup bc of soul splitting katana
This video should only be 4 minutes long. Maki can not be trapped or attacked by any domain (Shrine is an exception for obvious reasons). Assuming Hakari's domain requires 2 people to work he will not be immortal. Even his domain does work all Maki has to is speed blitz him and aim for the head which she can very easily do. This is not a fair fight for Hakari. He is out matched in every single way lmao. His best speed feat is narrowly dodging lightning but Maki has a better speed feat in her fight with Cursed spirit Naoya.
TLDR: Maki slams low diff, even if domain works low diff. Hakari can not and will not beat Maki in a 1v1
one correction: i'm pretty sure the kashimo lightning bolt was a sure hit outside of a domain so it wasn't just moving at lightning bolt speeds
Bro maki cant walk out of a domain its still a physical barrier also if the domain counts maki as an object then the domain doesnt meed to inform her meaning jackpot still works as normal another thing is hakari tanked the same attack from urame that maki couldnt and even pushed urame from 50% to 100% also yuta said hakari would win against him and well yuta is most likely stronger then maki by just what we've seen
Hakari's domain requires you to know how it works for him to use it, domains can't target Maki.
It’s likely that domains can target objects but the user just normally chooses to ignore them. Sukuna’s domain in shibuya destroyed all the buildings. So Hikari probably can hit her with the info dump if he actively choses to, but Maki could just leave the domain right after and I doubt the domain would function without her in it
Sukuna’s only targets the buildings because he has an open domain without a barrier that hits everything in a 200 meter radius.
@@Sincaisen0784 it is possible that Sukuna’s only hits objects, but we also haven’t seen a domain actively attempt to include objects/attempt to hit Maki so we can’t know for sure and I’d lean to the fact that they probably can hit her if they decide to, they can’t just automatically do it
@@nerdcorner2680 No, dismantle hits objects while cleave is for things with ce, its a special rule made by sukuna.
Picking targets is a huge feat for domain users. We have no reason to think Hikari can
People debate JJK like it's DB where characters consistently win by just scaling above everyone else, when it's more like JJBA where raw power is a factor but ability match-ups are more important.
3:48 actually the belief that RCT can't heal soul damage isn't true, RCT can't heal idle transfiguration which changes the shape of the soul rather than damaging it
This is correct. We have been told many times that the soul is the body, and the body is the soul. Healing one likely heals the other. However, Idle transfiguration changes the shape, or if you will, the default state of the soul.
Think of RCT as reverting your wounded body back to its original state. But Idle Transfiguration changes that very original state, so RCT doesn't recognize that there is anything to heal. If Mahito gives you 3 arms and 5 eyes and you lose all of them, using RCT would just restore you to your 3 arms 5 eyes state, because that is your new "default", it wouldn't bring you back to your "normal" human form, but rather to what Mahito changed you into
To give an in-universe example: Todo's arm turned into exploding shards of glass after Idle Transfiguration. If Todo got it healed with RCT, it would just explode into shards of glass once again, as that is the default state Mahito set his arm to.
Copium for Todo stans: Since he proved that he could use Boogie Woogie by clapping with someone else, he showed that as long as he can perform the act of clapping using any two hands, he can activate his CT. So in theory, if he could somehow get a prosthetic arm, that could either have cursed energy in it, or that he could imbue with his own cursed energy (As he showed he is capable of doing everytime he imbues rocks and shit with his CE so that he could swap with them), perhaps even a cursed tool prosthetic arm, he should be able to use Boogie Woogie once more xD
@@AstroCS2 While we understand it to this level, why wouldn't that same logic be applied to the SSS? I understand Mahito's reshaping the soul via alteration, but we also know that Mahito didn't have an understanding of healing the damage done to his own soul when fighting Mechamaru, he was only able to reshape his soul to make up for it
So what I'm getting at is that if the shape of the body is dependent on the shape of the soul, technically speaking that'd mean that the soul is the body's natural origin?
Meaning RCT would work based on that origin (based on the souls design), so wouldn't that also mean if part of the soul is cut into, it is therefore reconstructed, or forcibly reshaped? unless it's possible that the soul itself can eventually replace, repair, & make up for whatever portion of it is lost wouldn't that mean that there's something that shapes the soul too? It doesn't necessarily make sense to say you can heal soul damage through regular means such as (RCT) since RCT as we know it, works to reconstruct the body, & not the soul.
@@origin7754 The thing is, if we go with that logic, then Mahito would have been permanently weakened by every punch he took from Yuji and also from the Mechamaru hits, but we know he recovered to full strength and even got stronger. Obviously, Mahito also wore down Yuji's soul to 10%, but Yuji is so much stronger than he was in Shibuya.
So we know 100% that the soul recovers from just normal damage. It's not that Mahito couldn't heal his soul from the damage he took from Mechamaru, it's that Mechamaru was able to damage him in the first place which surprised him. Mahito could heal himself over time which takes CE. He even told Mechamaru "You thought I wouldn't use a domain because I'd keep my strength for Shibuya? It's 10 days away, I have time to recover" or something along those lines.
The only permanent soul damage is Idle Transfiguration, because it's not actual damage, but changing the default state of the soul
I like your way of thinking but sadly it gets countered by things the story showed us already. The author put quite a lot of emphasis on the special ability of Mahito to alter the soul and that specifically being unhealable, whereas people who got hit by soul-damaging abilities but survived, eventually recovered back to full strength
@@AstroCS2 So wouldn't that mean that the soul can gradually recover, it's still somewhat up in the air if soul recovery can be done by the means of RCT, which is pretty much why Maki questioned it in her first Sukuna encounter
@@origin7754 Yeah, I'm pretty sure the soul can recover gradually from damage/being worn down, and you can POTENTIALLY heal some damage to it with RCT (Not confirmed, mostly headcannon, but it would make sense)
though you definitely cannot heal Idle transfiguration
“ if your unsure who would win,…. Always bet on hikari”
To your point about hakari not being a lightning timer, isn’t it impossible to dodge kashimos lightning regardless of speed? Since it attack using positive nd negative charges? So even if he did move more out of the way, the attack is still connecting regardless? I could be wrong about that tho
And when is it stated that the soul can’t be healed? Mahito and soul split katana powers work differently.
Yes the lightning strike locks onto the victim so it will always hit
Hakari isn't a lightning timer anyway since maki is only a bit faster than curse Naoya who moved at I believe mach 3 and there is maybe 1 or 2 people faster than maki in the series, none of which are hakari. Light speed feats are dumb anyway cause anyone who has lightspeed feats should reasonably have the power to destroy planets or at least continents, cause just moving at light speed would have enough energy to do so at any human weight.
@@teknoreaper9232 yes but you’re piggybacking off real world physics with your last statement. You just have to take what the author gives you. I’m not saying the light speed feats are concrete either, but it’s not because of the “real world” implications that you’re saying.
Also, there’s have been more occasions of people reacting to bullets or piercing bloods (casually) as well as reacting to lightning (not jus kashimo but Nue too) so while the speed scaling is inconsistent, I would go with the higher interpretation.
@@teknoreaper9232 also, why would maki only be a little above Mach 3? Not arguing just genuinely curious how u scale her.
Fiction works a lil differently when it comes to characters moving at ridicously fast speeds btw
imagine a hakari with rct. so while he waits for jackpot he can just rct the ass whooping he gets while steadly damaging the enemy. he'd be the best staller type fighter. either go for his head or damage him sooo much he uses up his cursed energy waaaay before he can hit jackpot
I dont think Hakari has the speed to prevent maki from blitzing him honestly she was moving faster than Mach 3 while Hakaris ability is becoming a cursed energy juggernaut. He has similar power while jack potted, but he doesnt gain significant speed boosts
hakari reacted to kashimo's lightning by expelling cursed energy out of his head and is comparable to yuta/base kashimo in speed
Amazing clear and concise no room for confusion perfect video
Hmmm, I always assumed that jackpot gives a boost to your physical stats aswell.
It gives a massive boost to his stats
It allows hakari to use his maximum output without draw backs or getting exhausted.
It does but he's having to overcome the gap in strength Maki has on his base form so it translates to not making an enormous difference. It probably but his strength higher than hers and it gives better durability by proxy of his Regen but because of Soul Liberation Blade he is still very much killable even in jackpot.
Lotta head canon going on
I think base Hakari gets a bit underrated because while yes he is “vulnerable” while rolling in his domain he’s still has to fight them and he’s got a catalog of reputable opponents he’s had to fend off.
He’s fought Kashimo, that’s a given. He’s fought Uraume, who no diffed grade 1 sorcerers at the end of shibuya incident(he didn’t start of in Jackpot btw). And Yuta(according to their lore) when they sparred under Gojo tutelage.
If you think including yuta is a stretch then let me ask you this. Why would Yuta spar with Hakari only when he’s in Jackpot? That’s such a backwards way of training cause it does nothing to improve your most exploitable period (ie your base form).
That’s the only thing I wanted to bring up. Otherwise it’s good video.
His techniques is unpredictable at best. Plus yuta rips him a new one in a real fight to death. Hakari is overrated. A he has is hands while other special grades have destructive aoe powers that can level city blocks. He is vaporised by a beam from rika
@@Owen-sx4jj I mean sure if that’s the hill you wanna stand on but I’ll take the opinion of 2 of the 3 special grade in the series (Gojo and Yuta) as well as everyone who knows about in and fought him in higher esteem than just your opinions on his abilities and fighting style.
The fact of the matter is that in spite of what you laid forth Gojo recognizes Hakari’s strength and puts him at in the same vain as Yuta. Even up until ch.236 when Yuta wanted to jump into the fight and Hakari reminded him that Gojo said “Don’t join in unless I’m weaker than Yuta and Hakari”
Now if you wanna argue who’s better have at it that’s not what I’m here for. But to say he’s not at their level is just purely dishonest with what the series has laid forth.
@@youfirst6611 gojo and yuta's statements arent facts. It has often been shown that gojo's statements are wrong, shibuya, the whole thing with sukuna and yuta is kinda just a tired self deprecating kind of guy. Hakari doesnt really have a ton of output and in the kashimo fight it has also been shown that hakari can get obliterated in his own domain but can use his pseudo spins to just keep it going. base hakari couldnt knock yuji out, without him resisting and yuta killed him easily
He can hit jackpot whenever, I think he’ll be fine . Not to mention he’s smarter and more experienced
@@Owen-sx4jjThe yuta glazing is hard OMG please stop
Theres a lot more evidence to support hakari not being able to open a domain with no target/with an ally than there is that he can.
1. Consider that he wasnt in jackpot state when he entered the fight with uraume. Given the stakes of the fight and all the prep that went into it, there is no reason why Hakari wouldnt use the prep time to either (a) open a domain with himself with no target, roll until he gets a jackpot, then teleport in to fight uraume or (b) pick one of the jujutsu high people as a target for his domain and get jackpot that way. This suggests he CANT do either of the two.
2. The fact that the whole point of his domain is that its a gamble, it would make NO sense that he can get jackpot with no risks. Hakari states it himself, there is no gambling responsibly. If there is no risk to Idle Death Gamble, there is no reward. This explains why he didn't do either (a) or (b). In both cases there is no risk to Hakari. I think implicitly, Idle Death Gamble can only be used on someone who poses a legitimate, real threat to Hakari. This is generally supported by what we know of the jujutsu power system where there is always risks and trade offs to everything.
lets be honest, if hakari fights maki without ssk then hakari might just win but if she does have ssk, hes cooked deepfried destroyed demolished fried boiled and dead (she gon have him looking like nanami)
But in all honesty if this is 1v1 hakari is only going to have 4:11 to realistically win and thats if he gets jackpot on someone else and immediately starts fighting her.
Its basically been shown that you need a target for a domain to practically work. There is no reason he would ever enter a fight in base otherwise.
Of course we are assuming that Hakari can't take the SSK. That said I think its fair to assume that stat to stat Maki is equal to Jackpot Hakari at least.
Its hard to compare due to time skip and the fact that they never fought the same enemy. We have seen who Hakari fight, fight sukuna and Maki fight sukuna but its hard to scale
its pretty simple to understand, he cant get jackpot bc he cant use domain on her, even if he does somehow, soul split katana 1 shots and shes WAY faster than him
If Maki decides to, couldn’t she just stay out of the barrier and break it with the soul splitting katana
Nah, Hakari could move the barrier’s coordinates
@@jocoolshow him doing that isn't fast so I'm not sure how your picturing that.
One thing that might help against soul split is the reroll that returns his body to whatever state he was at the beginning of the domain
I will say this kashimo vs toji/maki people will debate but I got money on kashimo cuz of that curse technique
Kashimo gets destroyed tbh.
Kashimo doesnt even need his CT, remember his cursed energy basically shocks and stuns everyone it comes accross, Hakari was just inmortal because of his domain giving him infinite CE, but Maki/Toji have none, so even if resisted, every time they touch Kashimo they'll get stunned even if slightly. And if Hakari was getting SHREDDED by the lightning, a stunned Maki/Toji is NOT dodging SHIT. Plus, his sure hit works by imbuying his own cursed energy, not targeting someone else's, meaning Kashimo's sure hit unlike most, does work on them
@@countcrocodile1115 Maki literally blocked Sukunas lighting and that shit is undeniably stronger than Kashimos.
@@mrpodslol*Nue lightning* and i doubt its stronger then kashimo
Kashimo one taps both of them.
imagine when someone ask gege about "can hakari heal his soul" and gege says yes
Instead of maki vs hakari, it should be maki vs Rika, who’s the better yuta gf
Maki
1.Pulled Yuta our of depression
2.Taught him swordsmanship and hand to hand combat
3. Is a human and not a curse that isolated him from his family
Cockroach cursed spirit wins no diff
@@kingofheroes1096
the girl yuta saved in Shibuya.... debate over 😏
For how it was portraited in the manga both Hakari and Higaruma's DE requires an opponent to be informed of the rules of the DE to start its proper behavior, so I assume with Maki the Domains simply will not start the love train sequence and hakari is unable to ever reach the jackpot.
This aside, given the particular nature of Maki's body... Hakari's CE special feature can be not an issue. What Hakari's CE does is to push extra pain in what he hits bypassing CE reinforment of the opponent. But Maki uses a complete different method to defend herself, her body is truly superhuman (like a base Yuji under steroid), so it's possible she is fully able to handle the extra pain without detrimental... after all she always tanks attacks without a "buffer" to dump their effects
I came to hear “Maki Stomps Hakari Mid to no difficulty.” I’m currently 0:01 seconds into the video… Will I stay subscribed ?? find out next time On Operation Ball Z
Hopefully we'll find out for sure whether or not the SSK can be healed this week
Hm, if the domain is just imbueing a technique in a conceptual space or barrier (like the physical objects in our dreams) I think it wouldnt require a target.
I originally I thought that they did when contemplating this battle but I actually dont think it would.
The one who left the battlefield behind and her overwhelming intensity.
What does it look like when someone casted domain expansion from the outside. I know most looks like a ball but what does it look like before turning to a ball?
The greatest one trick of today vs the greatest counter of today
Update on this debate:
Hakari is fried chicken 🍗
No Operator can you do a Yuji post ch. 251 vs Mahito debate video to see who is really stronger?
why do u want a one sided beat down?
Hakari is my favorite but i still think hes getting folded
I think you can actually heal from Soul Split Katana. Mahito actually changes the nature of the soul, which can't be healed. Damage to the soul can be healed.
We'll find out soon if RCT can be used against Soul Liberation Blade either next chapter or in a few because we might cut back to the uraume and hakari fight
We are going to see if soul damage can be healed or not in the next chap.
Also what if Yuta is dead now and The new number one sorcerer is no Curse energy no curse technique Maki. .. Wild.
I mean, when you think about the fact Hakari's target was Kashimo from the start, and he went out of his way to fight Charles, you can pretty solidly intuit he needed Charles as a target for JP so he could enter the state before engaging with Kashimo.
Hakari, somebody who when is on a roll can defeat Yuta...
There's a reason why Hakari is fighting Uraume and Maki has to resort to sneak attacks against Sukuna.
I'm sure if you substituted Hakari for Maki when fighting Nerfed 15 F Sukuna he would have applied more pressure and won't be incapacitated by Uraume Max technique.
Maki would get folded
Can you read? Maki says that This is Not true after yuta finishes his sentence hakari could never defeat yuta or maki
That guy probably has a contract with reading comprehension devil @@sapomen1352
Not because naruto says that Sakura can beat him means that she will .
Yuta only said this statement bcs he is humble, and also in a way to compliment hakari and be freinds and give him another reason to help them aside from wanting to free gojo.
Hakari's feats aren't enough to carry him through the statement yuta said .
Yeah, maki literally has no feat and would have died to cursed Naoya if it wasn't 1 vs 4 lmao
+ Gojo literally stated that if he loses it would be UP to Hakari and Yuuta to carry
Yet they compare that to Hakari foghting Hajime fucking Kashimo, the STRONGEST of his time .
And he compares Kashimo to Shibuya Choso ????
The amount of misinterpretation and meatriding in this video IS craaaaaazy
Jjk fans once again not understanding that matchups exist...
I always thought the info dump was a form of binding vow that made him more likely to get the right roll due to the whole explaining your technique rule is this wrong tho?
Yeah this would be technically wrong since chapter 164 explains old style domains that are non-lethal where rules have to be explained in order to start
@@origin7754 dang it’d be a cool explanation tho
bro i love how Hakari fans went from debating that Hakari could beat Yuta to having to go down tiers in the heavy hitters of JJK so hakari had someone to fight agaisnt fairly 😭
A lot of people say Hakaris screwed because the sure hit is the info dump, but whats stopping him from making a binding vow that allows him to do the info dump himself by just telling his openent?
Maki can defeat most sorcerers at this point but Yuji at this point is on a different level his soul hitting punches or kicks are deadly, not to mention black flash and divergent fist and blood manipulation , he's basically a weapon againt anything with a soul, if he adds a domain trapping souls instead of just cursed energy he will be untouchable. And i think he is able to sense souls going by the fact that he knew where Megumis soul was and the barrier inside Sukuna so Maki wouldn't be able to sneak up on him
theres no way to know if he cant heal soul damage tho like he has the best rct in the verse when in jackpot and has no problems with poison which is one of the hardest things to deal with using rct
Yeah, as said by Sukuna himself, the problem about RCTing Soul Damage is it requires magnitudes more CE AND CE output to heal, which is something Jackpot Hakari definitely has no problems with.
But Maki being able to ignore Domains and her curated fighting style currently being nearly identical to Toji (meaning she's more stealthy now) means all she needs to is to wait for 4:11 before digging in and Hakari won't be able to do anything about it but try to survive.
“All i need is just one more 7….”
- Hakari
wait could she just break the domain from the outside if he can draw his domain anyway
I am so confused can someone use their domain expansion without trapping anyone in it?
the most humans can see lightning before it hits stuff
I woudn’t exactly call Maki a sorcerer you could say she is the the 3rd strongest of the strongest but after Yuji’s awakening and got the sake of the plot I am not even sure if that is right and I feel like they are going to give Hikari a power boost of sorts if he is close to death because he is a fan favourite and I feel like Maki is more likely to survive compared to everyone because of the amount of character development so I feel like they are going to give Hakaru an epic send of because of the amount of death flags around him in my opinion
Am'I the only person that is ticked of by people giving SPECIFICALLY soulsplit katana to every heavenly restriction user? Yes, we do see them use it, but it is also one of the most powerful cursed tools in the series.
It's even more jarring when we realize that it's literally a hard counter to Hakari, while without it Maki has no way of landing a fatal blow.
It's not Maki that neg-difs Hakari, it's soulsplit Katana that does.
people never mention that the whole “revealing ones hand” is pivotal to hakari’s domain since he instantly reveals how it works as the guaranteed hit effect. theres no way this doesnt have an effect on hakari’s cursed energy. if maki cant be targeted from it, then his cursed energy output shouldnt be infinite anymore at the very least
the only domain that people without cursed energy are weakened
I'm always confused when people say hakari isn't a lightning timer because he couldn't completely dodge the lightning but isn't the point is the lightning is homing so you can't completely dodge it. He moved out of the way most likely, but it just curved to hit him still
Because reaction speed =/= base speed, & that would be inconsistent since lightning is 800,000+ mach, meaning if he can react to that, he can react to any other given attack, or punch in the manga that's not sure hit, which isn't the case.
You know, I also wonder if Maki doesn't get that instant info dump, would Hakari's buff be less powerful? Curse techniques become more powerful when you explain them to your opponent after all, and I don't believe we've ever seen Hakari's tech WITHOUT that info dump considering it automatically happens.
Just a thought, it doesn't really change the outcome after all.
22:26 Yuji would win soon
12:00 this is actually a huge negative for hakari, because his domain needs to have the explanation go through in order for it to work properly. Its the same idea as characters explaining their cursed techniques to their opponents to make them stronger (a well established concept in the story aswell as directly stated.) He might be able to verbally dictate the rules to maki but who knows if even that would work cause techniques consider her an inanimate object. So hakari's domain would either (probably) have much worse chances for a jackpot, or just not work at all in the first place because the explanation of his domain is essential to its proper functioning. Otherwise why would he make the sure hit technique be an info dump that would be stupid.
I mean something funny too what if maki just sees his domain is up and she just breaks it
Would be a bit of a twist if uraume kills hakari and prepares him for sukuna to eat.
Gege got you looking at yuta with that side eye but this might be why we haven't cut back
I don’t think a domain needs a target
What about the time Hakari shifted his domain, couldn't he do that to move himself away from Maki?
the reason why scaling Hakari is so hard is because his main power is luck. If he is lucky he wins ,if he isnt he loses
Oh this should be a fun breakdown.
maki didn't mention soul splitting vs megumi
Well tbh it depends on what the mangaka wants. If hakari makes 1-2 ass pull binding vows like explain his domain to non CE users, or heal even faster in his domain form, he wins even if maki has the advantage.
Bruh taking little icey attacks from uraume is not the same thing as taking fool output of her ice and even that little ice attacks tore limbs off of hakari while maki took most of her full output ice attack head on (it was a sneak attack as well btw)
Hakari stands no chance in a fight and even if hakari gains his ideal situation (hitting a jackpot) it would even matter to maki this ain't a fight it's a decapitation
Maki fodderizes him