Gangs of New York | ‘Notch 45’ (HD) - Daniel Day-Lewis, Brendan Gleeson | MIRAMAX
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- Monk’s (Brendan Gleeson) plea to the Butcher (Daniel Day-Lewis) for a peaceful resolution is met with heavy opposition.
In this scene: The Butcher (Daniel Day-Lewis), Walter ‘Monk’ McGinn (Brendan Gleeson)
About Gangs of New York:
As waves of immigrants swell the population of New York, lawlessness and corruption thrive in lower Manhattan’s Five Points section. After years of incarceration, young Irish immigrant Amsterdam Vallon returns seeking revenge against the rival gang leader who killed his father. Before long, Amsterdam’s personal vendetta becomes part of an erupting wave of full-blown gang warfare, as he and his fellow Irishmen fight to carve a place for themselves in their newly adopted homeland.
Starring, in alphabetical order: Jim Broadbent, Daniel Day-Lewis, Cameron Diaz, Leonardo DiCaprio, John C. Reilly
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Now what did we learn kids??????? Never turn your back on a guy named “the butcher”.
Don't trust white people
NO ! NEVER EVER TURN YOUR BACK ON AMERICA !
@@letitburnforever2122 hahahaha
@@letitburnforever2122 Lemme guess...Black Israelite?
@Anti-Federalist 1776 or maybe murder over property is bad
"Never turn your back to your enemies" - perfectly illustrated in this scene
this scene is so important to the movie, because it shows the true nature of the Butcher... before that he clouds himself in rants about honorable old ways and being a man of principles. in this scene it is shown how he reacts when he loses
the TOMSTER He is Ruthless wrapped in an American flag.
the way i see it, bill's version of honor is wrapped around the idea of fighting. since the barber didnt want to fight, bill determined that the man was walking away from the honorable old way of fighting for power. and so he assassinated him
@Anti-Federalist 1776 If he was such an honorable man he wouldn't have done everything he did in the movie, that includes killing someone he lost to from behind their back.
@Christopher Hinks the only thing thats wrong with that is, that Bills father fought a freedom war, yet Bill himself ruled his part of the city like a king that no one voted for. Thus not really democratic himself. so he still is a hypocritical character even within his believe system. Also, killing him from behind is hardly an act of a upright man. if it would have been a fight with both drawn weapons, I would say nothing.
@Christopher Hinks good point: its also a philosophical question in regards to "shall people without opinion or to much fear to act upon it be ruled or are they still entitled to freedom even if they are not using it?!"
each side or the other: quite a good movie - although it could have done without the default pseudo love story.
I love the glib comment “there you go bill, the people have spoken” even though all of the people stood there slack-jawed lol
Yeah, and then continued to be bystanders as Monk was maimed and then truly murdered in front of them. Certainly not the wisest decision from Monk, but then again can you ever really count on bystanders if a determined murderer comes along?
He tried to behave like he and Bill weren’t part of the same hypocrisy. Like Monk had won the election fair and square where the “people had spoken” He also wanted to act like Bill’s time was over. I’m not sure what Bill came there to do but by the time that little speech of Monk’s was over, it could only go one way.
Yeah that’s what he referred to in the last part of his sentence that you left out, well done movie critic.
Ah, but had they wanted the two to fight, there would've been howls for them to kill each other (and we do see in the movie how they'll egg on violence). Monk wasn't wrong.
@@roguishpaladinhe was a coward who made a giant spectacle out of a situation he shouldnt have. That speech sealed his fate
"why don't you burn him, see if his ashes turn green."
Epic.
Clap clap clap clap
Well that would be downright nonsensical bill
Cause he is Irish, i didnt' understand that at first.
Me lucky charms
Hell yeah it was
He was breathing heavily after throwing the cleaver because he contracted pneumonia during shooting & he initially refused medication because it wasn't in-keeping with the age but eventually he caved & accepted medication. If you notice, he's wearing extra layers under his top-coat to keep himself warm. I think it adds to the brutality of the scene though.
Christopher Bloor That's a dumb reason to refuse medicine.
Comes off as sort of a rage.. and post swing it makes it seem like he smokes a lot and genuinely gets gassed for air after short bursts like that, which is common among actual criminals.
Holy shit, it's a talking muffin is dying. That’s well too far.
@@brianmerritt5410 youve clearly never heard of DDL then
I thought it was meant to be adrenaline, making it more realistic.
He gave no sign that he was agreeing to the deal. He just started walking towards him
I love how his facial expression never changes, while Monk is talking
During this scene bill realizes that the man before him is more American than himself
@@ofc.vaughan2871 WOWWWWWWWWW!!!!! Killa and Ryan! Just wow! Great observation!
@@ofc.vaughan2871or that hes a coward making a spectacle out of the situation
It’s so creepy that when he is killing him, it feels as if he is talking to us the audience when addressing the people inside the barbershop, it makes us feel like we’re witnessing and somewhat a part of this murder
And that is why Scorsese is a master.
I saw this scene before watching the movie, so I was not sure if he was talking to people inside or he was breaking the 4 wall lol. Awesome actor.
Breaking the 4th wall - IE direct to your living room
it's not just that. it's also the fact that he expects this murder to have an echo and a political message which bill clearly says: "this is the minority vote". he expresses that he's been bullshitted by some migrants who now hold the upper hand in politics and that he (the natives) has become a minority which is why he rebells knowing it won't change the politics to what it was. in short: this is bill's way of rebelling against the corrupt.
Holy hell, I just realized something. The card that Bill flips onto the table at 0:29 is the queen of spades. Spades are also known as death cards
I was wondering what the significance of the Queen of Spades was
DDL was so great in this movie that even though he was the bad guy, I was rooting for him.
i think this movie is on a grey area they are all bad guy fighting their own battle
When you grow up you'll realize he was the good guy.
@@Karmara7 ehh loose meaning since they are all horrible ppl with good principles fighting and killing each other over something that would inevitably pointless over time
@@Karmara7 when you grow up you'll realize morality is relative
@@Karmara7 No he wasn't. You are the one who needs to grow up
Love this scene. Bill knew that Monk could take him 1-on-1, but he also knew the crowd would not dare report HIM for murder... So he took Monk out the rogue way!
@Anti-Federalist 1776 actually, the butcher is a coward. Look what he did to kill the Priest.
@Anti-Federalist 1776 he threw someone at the priest to distract him then shanked him. . . then goes on and on about this glorious duel that did not happen.
Read the story of the real buther William Poole. He was a savage and a boxer. The democrats did him dirty at every turn until he was murdered
@@staticfrequency2250that was a gang war not a Duel
@@nationalsocialism3504 🤦♂️
You just know some crazy shit is about to happen with the way this scene begins with him staring at the flag.
Yes, that’s what happens in the movie.
@@happymaskedguy1943 You have to be smart to be a smart ass otherwise you are just an ass.
"That my friend's is the minority vote"... Greatest line of the entire movie...
I remember LOL the first time I watched it.
Oopsie Daisy!
My favorite line is "I dont give a tumpity fuck about your moral conundrum you meat headed shit sack"😂
the butcher keeps talking about honor throughout the whole movie and here he is attacking someone in the back
I'm no expert on dueling protocols, but I'm pretty sure if you declined the challenge for reasons of maintaining the peace, it wasn't considered dishonorable. In any case, this killing was a rat bastard puss move even if Monk was dumb for giving him his back.
@@13thvarebel16the sitting Vice President (Burr) killed the sitting Secretary of the Treasury (Hamilton)... there's no "disturbing the peace" bullshit. Even long after Dueling was made officially made illegal... it was never really enforced & was tolerated to a large degree even with the formal confines of the military (The Duelist by Ridley Scott is based on two French officers that fought duels against each other for 2 decades as a standing practice whenever the conditions allowed. There was a whole formalized set of rules of when they had to fight... not an active warzone, stationed within a set amount of miles, same rank, etc. Dueling was officially not allowed by these two men both went from Captains to Briagder Generals while openly carrying on this practice & wounding the fuck out of each other for twenty years.)
@@13thvarebel16he showed up for 1v1 one fight that the other guy knew was coming. Instead of fighting like a man he refuses and makes a giant spectacle of the situation. Bill obviously digusted by the cowardice hits him in the back for it. Pretty easy to figure that out
My absolute favorite scene. DDL exemplifies everything a villian should be in the movie.... fantastic.
The character of Monk changed a lot over the course of rewrites. There's an earlier version of the screenplay where Vallon doesn't know who Monk is in the prologue; he even suggests Monk go fight for the Natives if he just wants money. Monk is portrayed as this Celtic giant who not only kicks the door open, he kicks it off its hinges. He breaks a man's spine with his knee during the battle, and the script keeps hyping him up as the strongest fighter of the Five Points. He even openly challenges Bill during the script, even pulling him off Amsterdam in one scene. Hell, Boss Tweed sends Bill with a proposition to join his side because that's how much of a threat he apparently is, despite being an independent mercenary with no affirmed loyalty to anyone. And that whole "citizens of the Five Points" speech is just a humiliation of Bill, where Monk asks the people if he should agree to join the Natives while insulting Bill as he stands right beside him. Monk's death is even worse, too. Bill walks into the barbershop when Monk is about to be trimmed, and jams a pair of scissors into Monk's eye. Then he beats Monk to death with his war club, at one point knocking the scissors, eye included, out of his socket. Amsterdam witnesses it too, and Bill threatens him as he strolls off with the war club.
Shillelagh
I wish some of that had stayed in the finished version, honestly.
2:02 you can totally see the rubber hatchet hit the ground. how did i not notice that before?
+bluetextonwhitebg Scorsese's shitty editing again!
And obviously it actually hit the side of the wall and bounced back.
You can actually see it on the ground during the scene as well.
Good eye, friend! :)
well spotted
I think Bill knew Monk could’ve taken him and was a real threat if they settled one on one. Monk was a legendary fighter after all.
He wanted Monk to fight him face to face with honor like Priest did. When he turned away, he thought him a coward. And there goes the cleaver to the back. That my friends.. is the minority vote. He was insulting his courage.
@@imemberberry Like the priest did? Bill attacked the priest by surprise, throwing another guy at him to distract him and get close... The only coward in the whole movie was Bill
All is fair in love and war. The terms of the first battle were set. After that, it's on you. And if Bill just wanted to assassinate Monk "like a sneak thief" as he called it, he could have. The man sent him a note with a pig's head for God's sake. That's quite the "heads up" (buh dum ch). Monk tried to rally the crowd against Bill and got nothing, and still turned his back. He was running, and died the same way soldiers who run from battle were killed. Blade to the back. Not even a through and through. So everyone knows.
Edit: technically Monk got bludgeoned to death, but it was still to the back of the head and he probably would've died from the cleaver anyway
@@imemberberry Cause Monk was an elected official,a sheriff,agreeing to the fight would be career suicide. Bill knew this and used it against him,just the same way he doesnt charge him cause then monk would be allowed to kill him. Its never about fear of death,Monk fears losing the power he has gained for the irish and forgets that he is in the end a street thug. Bill deciding to challenge him exactly when he became sheriff is like challenging a karate champ the day he becomes a literal monk,its obvious its to create a dilemma. Is monk written in an inconsistent,haphazard way? I thinks so,think the original 4 hour version would clear alotta shit up.
This may be the dumbest take I have eve seen on this movie
"That, my friends, is the minority vote"
Sam Geuvenen
Too bad.
So true. No matter what the majority favors, the minority vote always prevails.
😂🤣
@@SquallVIIIfan Not an argument, and hes right.
@@SquallVIIIfan He's right though. Just have a look at the USA. The blacks are the minority vote yet one of them can get to become President, at least one time in 21st Century. Savvy?
You can see the cleaver Daniel Day-Lewis threw bounce off the wall to the left of Gleeson and land on the ground. He even steps over it.
i've seen this scene at least twenty times and this was the first time I've ever noticed it (before i read the comments).
Maybe he threw two cleavers together... (Desperately trying to justify this apparent flaw)
every frame of this film looks like it cost a few million dollars
Bill was cunning... he knew Monk wouldn't fight him, his plan was to wait for a chance during confrontation when Monk turns his back on him so that he can kill him easily without a drop of blood, at 0:22 the "card scene" implied he planned the murder and it did turned out the way he wanted it. Also notice that Bill wasn't even wearing his fighting dress (that he wore during his real fight with the priest and Amsterdam), instead he was wearing a suit and a hat - he never wanted to engage a real fight against Monk because he knew there's never a guarantee that he would win, after all Monk was known "the best fighter in Five Points"
Never turn your back on your enemies, specially after they've just challenged you to a duel.
2:06 when you try to stand up from the toilet after watching youtube too long
WTF LMFAO!!!! Hahahahaha
Yup
Lol
I'm certain he thought he'd be safe by putting Bill on Front street like that and calling him out in front of a crowd. But that was what pretty much sealed his fate.
Being a coward sealed his fate... Bill showed up for a Honorable Duel & Monk refused
@@nationalsocialism3504true i think he was disgusted by his actions. Thats why he hit him in the back like that
@junioradult6219 cowardice is always disgusting... Bill showed up for a duel & was met with a coward. So Bill promptly dispatched him in the manner fitting a coward... with his wounds facing the wrong way, so that even in hell he will be mocked for all eternity
@@nationalsocialism3504 Bill would have gotten his shit pushed in, he was the coward boy
@@nationalsocialism3504 Bill was weak and pathetic, never went for a fight he knew he'd lose. He also knew Monk wouldn't fight him, so it was a guaranteed win. Bill is the coward, always was
People don’t know that Daniel improvised this whole scene and actually killed a guy infront of a bunch of horrified extras
I knew that. My brother was there. Hell of a method actor that Bill.
“Bog bastard” is a good insult for us mics
Why⁉️
"burn him see if his ashes turn green" great line
Sam Schutte What does it mean? Haven’t watched the film.
Gotcha. Thanks :)
This movie is filled by quircky funny lines like this. Daniel Day Lewis was a genius in this film. He played Bill the butcher to perfection.
fuck you
Dustin, Nate and Khabib said that to Conor after destroying him 😂
Bill, “ now you tasted my mutton, how do you like it”.
Legendary
Don’t think none noticed @2:10 he pushes his weapon away from himself because later he then lays on the spot where bill gives him notch 45. If he didn’t do that it would of been a reshoot. But no one would push away their weapons from themselves
Did anyone also notice the thrown cleaver hit the door frame and land behind him
he had a cleaver buried in his spine.... I don't know how much control he'd have
@@jeramiahholland8199 - lol, you're right.
Awesome small detail... Bill draws a black queen of spades on top of another black spade at 0:27...
Spades are a symbolic omen of death.
Bill, ever the man of faith, took it as a sign...
Yeah... but could've also saw it as his own death...he knew monk was a dangerous man.
Or perhaps the spades signaled the death of his native gang to the foreigners
Basically tarot cards
I love this movie and this scene is absolutely fantastic not just on its own merit but in the larger context of the film, but I always laugh a little when I see the fake hatchet bounce off the doorframe 😂
Damn, now I cant unsee that. That seems sloppy for Scorsese
fuck you, I cant unsee that now lol
😂
@@whatismyname5151His movies are full of these little happy mistakes. The most obvious one is probably the "dummy" in the intro of Casino. I think he's just a film purist, embraces the theatricality of it, and doesn't want to use CG unless absolutely necessary. Its got its charm. He's not a perfectionist like, say, Fincher. That doesn't mean he isn't absolutely master of his craft.
Or it could just be a mistake, lol.
i will watch this movie over and over again. bill is my idol. lol
When they look at the camera it goes into comedy mode. Great clip, great movie.
2:48 the applause at the end made it seem as if people were clapping to the butchers joke.
This is the first Daniel Day Lewis film I ever saw and it became my best film of all time
You need to watch more films.
I have seen a lot of films and this is definitely a top 5
Rule number one: Don't ever piss off Daniel Day Lewis.
lol law of the jungle, get a spine
he'll drink your milkshake right up
the way bill is standing down beneath the barbers is so threatening, so powerful. weapons exposed. intent revealed. calm and ease, but totally ready for violence.
...............Daniel Day Lewis is the finest actor ever.....simply magnificent.
True,
few equals, a few more near equals...the rest are left in the dust.
Only gary old man(commisioner gordon from the dark knight) comes close to surpassing him
a great man.
@@MsDragonbal776
Gary Oldman is fantastic, one of the greatest actor ever and he is more versatile than day lewis. His accents are also better and his transformations too. But, overall he is not that great as Daniel because he hasn't gave one single better performance than him. Daniel has 3-4 legendary roles and many very good. Oldman has 2 Great roles and the rest good. Day Lewis along with Brando and De Niro is the greatest actor ever
I can get behind the Gary Oldman compeitition
It's amazing how different Hawkeye in The Last of the Mohican's is to this guy.
At 1:29 you can see the guy in the left corner crack up. Never saw that before lol
I think he is wincing because of the sun
Monk took Bill's sigh and downward look as submission but it was actually disappointment. Bill missed the old days and wanted a real fight. I think he killed him from behind because he just didnt mean anything to him anymore.
it was the act of a coward
@@johnbanks4761 Bill took Monk's refusal to fight as cowardice and killed him as a coward.
@@johnbanks4761 To be fair, Cutting showed up looking for a fight and the Barber was fully aware of that. Not a great idea to turn his back.
What was Bill supposed to do after delivering a pigs head and " today" sticking in the top. Did Bill and Monk have secret weekly meeting to discuss the merits of the word ghoul or that of the club vs cleaver? And Monk just forgot and left Bill sitting there all by his lonesome. A little reminder then from William. Maybe. But I'm betting that it meant today one of us is dying. They've literally discussed it for years in monosyllables. The buildup was excruciating for the people of the 5 points. During tense times men would speculate and then borrow money from one or the other and hoped the club was true or the cleaver sharp but it never came. No fight in the history of the world had been coming so long since Noah and everybody not on the Ark had there throwdown. Bill's balls were purple already after not killing Leo. Monk really just got elected over night and he is already Abe Lincoln. No scratch that. Abe wouldnt have turned his back on Bill The Butcher or went back in what looked like cramped quarters anyway. More like knife territory than club back inside. He got what he should have got forgetting where he came from. Worse he thought Bill would do the same. What Bill did was exactly what should have been expected of him. Monks display softened Bill's heart and he felt shame at thought of what he had almost done and deprived them of such a leader. Shame that he thought for a second about not doing it and to have not done it wouldve been the death of Bill, the taming of him to keep around for curiosity and amusement now that he is declawed. the end of the spectacle of fearsome acts which is his power without it Bill is a man to be negotiated with and reasoned and talk about the democratic way. With it Bill is a man to be feared above all else.
He looked down on him… he caved in and gave up his warrior mentality so bill lost all respect for him and didn’t feel he deserved an man’s/warrior death…. Knife to the back like an animal
By this point in the movie, I already hated Bill the Butcher. But this scene really solidified my hatred for him.
Really great cinematography this one
The way Monk occupies the high ground at the beginning of the scene, and Bill scales the hill to attack him and win the fight is an epic portrayal of one of the most sacrosanct military tactics in the history of war. Always take the high ground.
That door window is real quality, breaks the second it comes in contact with his hand.
Never noticed the axe bouncing of f the door but is still in his back later lol
Lol foreal
Great spot that mate.
If only Leo D. and Cameron D. were not wandering about this beutifull film hamming it up ....what a movie it could have been....Amsterdam me bollicks.
Daniel Day-Lewis is the best actor in the world. iv seen most his greatest work from lango to conjuring. this man is great in his art. bless his career.
this was the most dickish part of the movie for me just shows you how ruthless cutting is.
Arguably equal to bill as a best five points fighter, and he turns his back
Definitely better, Monk was a mercenary working for whoever paid best because he was so good he didn't have to take sides. And in the original script he was even more legendary and had a lot more combat scenes
You can actually see the fake cleaver bouncing off on the ground when Bill throws it, no matter, great scene.
I'd never pick a beef with a guy dressed like Wonka carrying knifes like that.
The words on the flag are ironic.
@The Mad Baron
There are no natives.
Migrants of those times are considered true americans today.
@The Mad Baron
Nah man, I love the natives. They smoked pipe n shit
@The Mad Baron
what's with the brackets? a meme? Srsly?
@@Scarletraven87 I know. my own forefathers are migrants I come from a line of Norse Vikings (at least that's what my father tells me so I'm believing him by slack)
@The Mad Baron Oops, looks like a triggered fascist snowflake. Are you mad the world isn't a reactionary safe space?
Mistake number 5,645: Never turn your back on the enemy.
lol that applause at the end!
Im mad we don't wear cool hats like that anymore 😂😂
This scene pissed me off, I wish we had a fair fight between these two. Damn brutal scene tho.
Butcher would win. He like to stab the kidneys.
Bill had no chance, Monk was the most famous fighter in the five points. Nobody would win in a head to head fight with him. Bill was always going win through deception
@Saffrone221 nah in a fair fight Butcher loses 100%. Bill was famous for being ruthless. But Monk was the most famous fighter in the whole city, nobody would go against him heads up
@@FirstLast-gk6lgfacts are monk was a coward by refusing a 1v1 he knew was coming and making a giant spectacle about it to everyone around. That act was disgusting to somebody like the butcher who showed up for a 1v1 to the death all by himself. Hint why monk got it in the back instead. He sealed his fate with that speech of his
how they used this take when you can clearly see the rubber cleaver bouncing off his back is beyond me.
Because it doesn't really matter. The scene is so shocking and violent, few would catch it while watching in a theater/for the first time. Doubtless few noticed until they saw it repeatedly on TH-cam or someone else pointed it out.
Daniel Day-Lewis was so good in this role of being so, sooo bad - really got me to hate him 😂👍... ONLY the highest caliber of acting, will that man accept from himself. Love it.
There is nothing special about being a popular ''bad''guy in Hollywood movies. Its the easiest way to prop up an actor. Denzel in Training Day, Hopkins in Silence of the Lambs, fucking Jack Nicholsons' whole career...Watch the Bounty (1984), where Lewis' plays an incompetent sailor, see whether his acting sticks out at all there.
The most badass Shillelagh I've ever seen! It's a monster!
This last year has shown us that movie stars are just actors, we shouldn't idolise them or listen to their politics.
But DDL really is the consummate actor, truly great at what he does.
Since "my beautiful laundrette" to today, every appearance is enthralling.
He co-stared alongside Liam Neeson in "The Bounty". This was their second time working together.
@@dameinoferrall2400 I remember. Mr Fryer.
Another fantastic film but Hopkins steaks the show as he's excellent as Bligh.
The Vangelis soundtrack is truly magnificent.
@@Buster_Piles
Well, Tony tends to do that. Liam and DDL didn't get much screen time anyway.
And I return to the film sometimes just for the soundtrack alone, which is hauntingly hypnotic, and yes, "truly magnificent".
@@dameinoferrall2400 it's good to know you also appreciate the soundtrack. Vangelis is like no other eh? His Blade Runner music was also a huge part of that film for me. Soundtracks are so often underappteciated.
Again I think you're right on the subject of Hopkins, he was so dominant in the movie but multifaceted; he's truly demented at times but I always feel sympathetic in that he went out of his way to help Fletcher Christian into the position and was betrayed and isn't there a sneaking admiration for him when he survives and successfully navigates back to civilisation?
On a side note, have you read about the legal proceedings in the last few decades centred on the descendants on Pitcairn? It seemed that a very peculiar culture had grown up in regards to age of consent. The island became fascinating from a sociological point of view, pretty much a one-off.
I'm glad you reminded me of the film, I must stick it on again, so many great actors. A proper film.
@@dameinoferrall2400 I just wanted to add, Last of the Mohicans, ddl so good, beautiful scenic shots ( ie the bridge in mirror shot), and another great soundtrack. 👍
And if you've not seen it, i hope you track down Brendan Gleeson in "the Guard" - a bittersweet comedy in which I promise every single line of dialogue is excellent. A truly wonderful film.
The butcher has a competition in him, he wants no one else to succeed.
"Yes I do"
2:05 you can see the cleaver bouncing on ground
The WARDROBE DEPT. for this film deserves a big award! I'd like to shake each of their hands for such a masterful undertaking.
I miss the days where you could just walk around with meat cleavers. Those were good days.
Then this happened
This had little to do with the election, this was an old score between gangsters. One was trying to take the high road into politics but Bill wasn't having that. Bill wasn't going to let Monk distance himself from his past deeds through democracy.
Politics as a high road...
I mean, Monk did still walk around with that club with 44 notches in it, he clearly liked to talk about his murdering days lol
@@michaelbabb1087 44 notches of Bills friends no doubt
Now That was a Powerful Scene.
Crazy, you see the blade fall onto the ground😂😂😂but it’s still in his back.
For a guy who believes that honor is the most important virtue, that was some cowardly shit.
For a man who prides himself on being honorable, I never liked the fact that he stabbed(threw a knife) him in the back. He cut out his own eye because he was cowardly in battle but yet he threw a cleaver into a worthy adversary who’s back was turned. Loved his character but that didn’t make sense. They should’ve had a good old fashioned 1 on 1 melee.
Yep, agreed. Great, fantastic performance from DDL. But some of his character moments, specifically this one and how he killed Priest, really peeved me off.
I never really saw Bill as honourable in that sense. Sure, he appreciates straight-forward behaviour and squaring up like a man if you have a problem, but I always had him pegged as the kind of guy who would do whatever it took once a fight was under way.
He killed priest Vallon for instance in the midst of a mass brawl where people were dropping like flies. Both knew they were in it, and both knew it was a lethal fight. He even declared his presence before he attacked, but just threw some other poor sap in front of Priest's blow.
With Monk, he offered him a straight up fight, but Monk tried to avoid it, and I can well imagine Butcher losing respect for him due to that, but not about to let him live just because he won't fight.
I think there's a consistent if twisted sense of honour there, but it's not necessarily what modern audiences would call honour.
@@Rekaert Wow. Never thought of that. Well said.
I saw it as monk acting like a coward. Not only did he refuse a duel to the death that he already recieved the challenge, when bill showed up he instead made a giant spectacle of the situation to everyone around. An act like that would be absolutly disgusting to somebody like bill who sent a challenge and showed up all by himself for a duel to the death. Hint why monk got it in the back instead. That sigh by bill was a sigh of disapointment, he was there for a glorious fight that he was well aware he had a good chance of dying. The monk sealed his fate with that speech
This scene somehow reminded me of "Fear" scene which was absolutely phenomenal.
1:34 I love his fake politician smile here. He tries to skirt the battle that was about to come but he failed because Bill stabbed him in the back.
Heh, if you look closely as the cleaver makes contact with Monk, you can see the prop cleaver bounce off his back :)
Sign of coward. Attacking someone when their back is turned
Or the sign of a maniac
Bill was no coward. He was a hero of true Americans.
Joeseph Lambert - beautifully said!
@Joeseph Lambert wrong. He was going back in to building and presumed bill was coming in behind him.
Monkooze Tees - He had the highest code of honor. The code of a true American patriot. He was brutal, but it was always a display of supreme strength about what was right and wrong. There was no grey. And that’s what made him an epic hero of American history.
quick question, as i do not have a glass eye and have never known a person with one, the glass eye can't really move in the persons head right? so that is a little bit of a mess up that his "glass eye" still moves and follows in sync with his other eye
So many brilliant moments in this movie but unfortunately it's offset by needless silly parts
Monk never had the makins of a varsity sheriff....
Or a varsity shine box!!
Only an og knows what this is from
Real lack of standards your generation.
Small hands
Always keep a sinebox nearby with a gun in it
WHY the HELL would you turn your back on that guy
Cause it was scripted that way.
@@heir_to_the_promise Hey everybody....its Mr Literal
@@androlibre9661 LoL
Best scene ever!!
I never seen this movie and I do want to see it now.
I really loved the "Backstabbing" because it shows if you want to be at the top of the table you can't fight with "Pride and Morality". This also presents a scenario that "New York" is a "Jungle" where when you got the opportunity just eliminate your opponent to be at the "Top"
When i first watched this i forgot that there were people in the barber shop, and when heh speaks into the camera i thought he was breaking the third wall and talks to audience. I thought WTF where is this movie gonna take me now O.o.... but then i realized it. :D
Fourth wall
We see 3 walls, the fourth wall is where the audience sits.
Breaks the bottom right pane of glass then next shot it's miraculously back in one piece 😄
Only thing that bugs me about this scene is Bill goes on about honor in combat etc but pulls that shit.
I think he was hoping for an honorable fight in the street. He sent his challenge, stood in the street, ready to take on a renowned fighter from his past. While a muscle for hire, Monk was a force to be reckoned with, after all. Their battle would be glorious one. Sadly, his challenge is rebuffed, thrown in his face.
When Monk invites him up, declining the duel, I see Bill’s sigh as one of disappointment. «This isn’t the way it used to be.» He gives Monk a dishonorable death, as he no longer sees him as a worthy foe. Mighty Monk has been reduced to just a politician, so Bill doesn’t bother with the formalities and just deletes him.
@@Fedoraandrapier He is no longer a warrior. Just a politician which he has no respect for. Very good point. 👍
The fash here in the comment circles will run around in circles that Monk was the coward and that Bill killed him as he deserved for turn his back
See?
@@Fedoraandrapier💯 refusing a 1v1 duel to the death and on top making a spectacle of the situation to all around was disgusting to somebody like the butcher
2:14 Best pseudo 4th wall break in cinema.
I think he was telling the barber in the shop
@@parvezamin939 This.
Love how you can see the first clever bounce off the wall and fall right at the butcher's feet.
Not even Deadpool breaks the 4th wall like Lewis.
Not a man I would turn my back on!
In my humble opinion, this scene solidified Bill Cutting as a coward. earlier in the movie he makes a speech about young Vallon acting like a sneak-thief instead of fighting like a man, yet here he is, challenged to a fair fight and instead of accepting, literally knifes the man in the back.
It brought a quote from this movie to mind immediately...
Little Bill Daggett: (As Munny takes aim) Just hold it right there. Hold it! [Munny shoots him] You, sir, are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!
Will: Well he should have armed himself if he's gonna decorate his saloon with my friend.
... Meaning he should have been ready. He sent him a dead pigs head and a note nailed to its forehead and everything.
Dan Wacker he wasn't even challenged to a fight that's the thing, Monk only turned his back to him because he thought they were going to talk and be reasonable. So it's a super cowardly move. DDL is just so good that I continued to root for his character despite everything.
James DeBall ehh i don't buy it... Bill let him know wassup and he's a cold blooded killer... he shoulda never turned his back to him. plus, he never said he agreed to go inside and talk it out...
Wait... did he just attack him like a sneak thief?
doesnt make it uncowardly
When a proven killer sends a pigs head to your place then shows up silently staring at you....turning your back to him isn't wise.
Making a spectacle of the situation just sealed his fate
1:02 plot twist: Some Harry Potter shit goes down after this part.
There You go, Bill....people have spoken
Bill: No, they haven´t....these ignorants dont know what the heck you just said to them!
Movie mistake: 2:02 the cleaver bounced off his back and flys to the left, then the film cuts away and the next shot the cleaver is back in his back...
The cleaver was already in his back. When he heard him throw it and it hit the wall, all he had to do was act like it just hit him
@@Cin3mattic Not talking about any of that. The clever thrown is the mistake
The thrown cleaver bounces off the doorway and lands back in the footpath. You can see it even before the cut. Day-Lewis then walks over it, steps on it in fact. This scene is a piece of crap, I'm amazed they rolled with it.
He falls breaking the bottom right pane of glass then next shot it's back in place unbroken..
@@karlfunke4106 It was 2002, the tech to rotoscope it out more than existed - hell, I could have easily done it in After Effects 5.0 back then. Pretty lame
"There you are Bill, the people have spoken."
Bro, they didn't say anything lol
Figure of speech, I think
never turn your back against the enemy!
Bill waits for his enemy to turn his back before he strikes - the mark of a true coward
Turning your back on your enemy is the sign of stupidness
Or a politician. He couldnt fight anymore without losing office. Typical fascist to shift the goalposts to reclaim valour
I reckon in a fair fight monke would've battered him.
I think bill knew, he wanted a glorius fight that he hasnt had for a long time. Instead he got a refusal and a spectacle to the people by monk. That would be disgusting to somebody like bill who sent a challenge and then showed up all by himself for a duel to the death
He was afraid to fight the butcher 1 vs 1 but tried to embarrass him in front of everyone by implementing the idea that neither man wants to fight here. He was wrong.
The prop ax bouncing off the bottom of the door frame at 2:05 😅
2:05 - 2:12 window fixed itself lul
The editing in this film was horrible.