Im PROUD to say im a beatmaker but i do all Instrumental albums (beat tapes) i make the beats , mix and master them, distribute them, register them publish them and do the artwork and promotion, so YES im a producer as well. it dont bother me at all what anybody else want to call me..
Quincy Jones is a producer. Zaytoven is a beatmaker. Both are rich/wealthy, respected for their craft, and responsible for spearheading change in their genre.
A beat maker was originally reffered to as a "Programmer" back in the day. That is why when you look at liner album notes through out the 80s, 90s, 00s and so on, you see Drum Programming, Keyboards, Synthesizers, Writer credits that pertains to instrumental backing tracks or music bed. A Beat Maker is also consider a Songwriter in hense they getting Songwriter and Publishing royalties for composing the Music or Melody. All the A-List Producers like Rodney Jerkins, Dre, Pharrell, Timbaland, J.R Rotem, B. Cox, Dallas are all what you call Songwriter/Producer's. They wear two hats as the Record Producer and the Beatmaker/Writer. In other words they are Record Producers that sees a song from its initial concept to its final mix and Beat Makers that makes the instrument track. Too many people out there think just because they see Timbaland or Rodney Jerkins makes beats, thats all they do all day. They couldn't be more wrong. Once they finish making the beat, they are in the studio with the artist, behind that mixing board calling the shots trying to get great vocals out of them. That is the reason why they are called a Producer because they do a lot more then just sit around and make beats!
If a beatmaker has nothing else to do with the final song beyond the Beat then they didn't Produce the song they made the Beat. Dr Dre will have a vocalist repeat same line 100+ times even to the point of making Fwen Stefani cry when recording vocals for "let me blow ya mind" that's producing. The reason most online Beat lease sellers hate the finished songs Beat lease rappers send to them after. Buying Beat lease is because the rapper acted as their own producer when recording their vocals there was no quality control rhe way there is when DR Dre produces. It's also why some random rapper could take the in da club" Beat abd recording on it but without Dr Dre Producing them the song would not have the quality control it would have if actually produced by Dr Dr instead of just using a Beat made by Dre. People only argue this in hiphop land in rock when a band doesn't hire a Producer and self produces or hired a bad producer they don't get the results. A producer like Mutt Lange Producing ACDC band and Def Leppard versus albums by them thst he didn't produce there is a huge difference in quality control.
I am a beatmaker, striving to be a producer! Beatmaking is the foundation but producing can change for example Dr Dre as a producer has changed over the years! But, I believe his foundation is beatmaking. I hope I am making sense. I will always loop first even if you give me live musicians, but as a artist gets involved, or if I have one in mind, then I become a producer which means I may also have to work with other producers. There is a difference but I'm a beat maker first!
I’ve gotten in debates with people before about Dr. Dre. People claiming he doesn’t “produce” as much as he gets credit for, but then you find out that these people don’t understand the beat maker/producer distinction. Dre sees tracks and albums from conception to their completion, and is involved in every step of the process (the beat, lyrics, recording, mixing and mastering), whether doing it himself or directing someone else to create the sound he has in his head. That’s literally what a producer is. If you look at all the Death Row albums from the 90’s, you can only find one classic that Dre had no part in. And that’s the Makaveli album, because Tupac’s unique presence always outshined mediocre production (such as in the case of his debut album). Every other “classic” album that came out from Death Row was one where Dre was credited for production or mixing (because a mix can make or break a track) or both. Daz and others claim they weren’t given proper production credit on the Chronic for instance, and yet they have never been able to produce albums of similar quality on their own. Daz made a lot of beats on both All Eyez On Me and The Doggfather, but only one of those is considered a classic now. All Eyez On Me, which had Dre’s creative input and mixing. The Doggfather is no Doggystyle. There’s an old interview with Snoop where he basically says the same thing. www.dubcnn.com/interviews/snoopdogg06/part4/
Thanks for this. I plan on doing a video about Dr. Dre. I haven't seen many videos where it goes in depth about his process in the studio. So it's time for me to make one.
@@BackToTheBoomBap I’m glad to see you’ve got a video about Dre in the works. I’ve seen so many people try to bash him based on their poor understanding of what production is. The reason that there is an identifiable “Dre sound” (in the 90’s, samples or interpolations of P-Funk songs that contain “whistle” sounds; later on soulful beats that are sparse but also made to sound very “full” through EQ, very loud snares, use of strings, etc.) is because no matter how many musicians and beat makers are involved in his projects, he is steering them in the direction of his creative vision.
@@briancamus8131 but see, the case with Dr. Dre was that he could be credited alone with a well played track in term of productions. The word of productions is defined from the mid 90s when the word "productions" meant that an artist or a group of artists/producers who also play beats, guitars, keyboards, would produce significant sound that could be recognized even if there were no credits. So literally productions in the 90s and early 2000s meant the style that was created by producer who wouldn't hesitate to play on any instruments. This is applied for example to Just Dippin track where Clever Kisum didn't get his credit on any of re-presses of Snoop CDs where's only Dr. Dre was credited. And there are a lot of examples where, you would guess, a producer like Dr. Dre must to direct the whole conception that people would admire, but sometimes back in the day some artists on lower roles would direct the whole sound that people really like and would say even today that 90s were the best in a rap industry. Because producer from a neighborhood would mean that he is a style and a whole sound carrier.
Truthfully, half of the stuff they said is part of what a “beat maker” does. Now they’re right some “beat makers” do just let anybody rap on their beats without understanding if the artists fits on that beat. Same time, I feel like this whole petty argument is another gateway to validation and separate themselves to another level. Now there are levels and different skills we can always seek to attain. We agree that all this semantics. In the end, the cream will rise and they can’t stop it.
It was a little more complicated to make a complete record back in the day. You were recording to tape. Had to sinc the drum machine, sequencer , keyboard in order to record. There was no punching in. Artist , composer/beat maker and producer had to sit with engineer and pick through multiple vocal takes. Thats why a “producer “ role was different because it was an extra creative, set of ears and organizer who can take all the parts of a song no matter if played by musicians or a guy with an mpc and keyboard and map out an full arrangement and the right vocal takes for the final song. People so used to being able to do what was essentially at least 5 jobs back then now they can do most of it in software without the artist even being present, heck even without the engineer being present.
Now that I’m grown, I’ll say this technically 😆 A producer is a person who oversees, supervises and works with the artists or band in the studio on a song or entire album of songs. They are the creative leader over the recording, mixing and mastering of a song. Technically, a beatmaker is a person who programs drum parts for songs. Drums just being part of the arrangement for the song. Whoever creates the building blocks for a song, like drums, bass, keyboards parts. Is an arranger. In most genres except country or rock maybe. Producers create that arrangement. On top of that, working with the artist for the recording, mixing and mastering of that song.
i personally feel more comfortable saying im a beat maker, but if i produce evrything on my project/mixtape/album including mastering and recording vocals myself does that make me a producer?
@@macewbee thanks to you and also the Amazing Spider-Marcos. I'm glad you guys enjoyed the video. I had been thinking about this topic for a while so I wanted to give my 2 cents on it.
Look at Quincy Jones. Watch how he developed artists, and crafted a song. Look at how he took a recording and broke it down piece by piece and had each piece put back back together with specific changes. Mike's pitch is too high on one note, look how Quincy adjusts him. The tempo is too fast the next note over, Quincy has that adjusted too. Everyone in the studio listens to Quincy. He's the commander. Whether they had creative talent or technical talent, they allowed Quincy to use them as tools to craft the finished project. Time and Time again. THAT'S a producer. Dr Dre was called a super producer because unlike previous producers like Quincy, Dre had BOTH technical and creative talent. (Technical) He could make beats and use studio equipment, (Creative) he could write lyrics and rap. *On TOP of being the producer who controlled all studio sessions and the finished project.* Nowadays with technology so advanced and the internet making it easier to release music. Beatmakers just claim to be producers, mainly because artists will just go to someone else if they don't listen to them. Most beatmakers NEED the money and will kiss ass for it, OR, have a pre-made package of beats for sell. They do a negligible amount of producing, but consider them "producing a beat" sufficient enough to garner the title. As for your question regarding your own project. You would be your own producer by default. There's nobody guiding you. You control your studio sessions. However, you would also be the "super producer" that Dr Dre was. Now whether or not you'd match either Quincy (producer) or Dre (super producer) TALENT is another story. One that could only be determined by comparing singles/LPs/and financial success.
This was a great discussion, in my opinion Executive Producing is being discussed as far as overseeing the whole project...Beat makers produce beats so it's all the same to me to an extent.
Appreciate it. In some ways I see both types of producers as being the same, but a lot of people see them as being very different. Emailing beats which is common place today would make it difficult to be a producer in the Dr. Dre sense of the word. But who's to say that guy or gal who does mostly do that is not a real producer? If producing is about executing the vision of a song from start to finish, why is there a such thing as ghost producers?
One of my producers is in South Korea and he emailed me all the beats for our album, however he was the first person to produce beats for me from scratch specifically for me. That was still producing to me, every other album I've created was premade beats. Honestly I've never heard of ghost producers but I looked it up and that's an interesting question. Some people are in it for the money not the art I guess.@@BackToTheBoomBap
The other guy that said he sees song all The way through to manufacturing is stating what the executive producer does,his job should end when the sonic portion of the song does.
If anyone wants to know more about Producers and Beatmakers, I've just released a new video with more insight on the similarities and differences between the two.
So I'm stuck as a beatmaker even if my process of making a beat tape from start to end still won't make me a producer because I didn't hire a piano player and get placements?
Nope. And that's what I'm rallying against in the video. Who's to say someone is not a producer because you're not directing the room? I say if you made the beat by yourself you are a producer because you're directing what sounds that you use and playing them how you want them to be played. We could say that you're not a producer in hip-hop, if you don't physically make the beat, with instruments and or equipment. But that'll ruffle to many feathers. At the end of the day, the fans don't care lol. When a song blows up, nobody's like "I love this song! And Dr. Dre made this beat all by himself!" lol.
People just want to establish a hierarchy. Beat maker is just as much a producer .They play an intricate part in the foundation of the track. People that use the term just want to keep themselves on a pedestal. And others like dj Khalid who by the way every song sounds different , so you can tell he has only fame and no influence on the sound ,can't make a beat to save his life.
I feel the same way. And Khaled really can't claim to really do anything but get in contact with people. He's more of an event planner than a producer. 😂
i honestly think the whole thing is an elitist perspective, based on the literal meaning of 'beatmaker'. producer is an executive term, anyone making direct decisions and putting up content can be a producer of something and a beatmaker is more subjective to the artists' creative experience, but it doesn't disqualify their work in the field by comparison
Naw I think it’s a new age brat maker producer if it’s a fire beat the best maker already did the dirty work and pic the instruments… beatmakers are artist as well
A beatmaker is a producer. They are part of the production process of making a record. The definition of producer says someone who "makes", so all of these pervertions of the word just sound silly. If you watch JD v Diddy, they are both music producers but JD was getting pissed off because he was being challenge by someone who can't make music by himself
No, beatmakers are not producers if they are just making beats and selling beats. You have to be also running the recording session or overseeing a project like Quincy Jones do to be called a producer. A beatmaker who just make beats is more like a music arranger/musician than a producer.
@@amazing50000 Do beatmakers create music? Yes. Do producers create music? Yes. You niggas like create your own stupid definitions to words. Kinda like 21 Savage saying Nas ain't relevant....
@@Topsey2000 Beatmakers are nothing more than musicians/composers (songwriters)/music arrangers OK. You have to do more than that to be called a producer because a music producer is like a director in the film industry. Quincy Jones never picked up an instrument or used an drum machine/sampler when working on Michael Jackson's albums, but he was still the producer because he was the one who brought in the musicians, songwriters. & arrangers to got job done and oversaw the sessions. Making a beat is just that aka a Beatmaker, you need to be directing the sessions to make sure that the recordings are coming out right and that the beat, the vocal arrangements, the mixing process & the session itself all going great and locking in. You need to learn.
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Im PROUD to say im a beatmaker but i do all Instrumental albums (beat tapes) i make the beats , mix and master them, distribute them, register them publish them and do the artwork and promotion, so YES im a producer as well. it dont bother me at all what anybody else want to call me..
Quincy Jones is a producer.
Zaytoven is a beatmaker.
Both are rich/wealthy, respected for their craft, and responsible for spearheading change in their genre.
A beat maker was originally reffered to as a "Programmer" back in the day. That is why when you look at liner album notes through out the 80s, 90s, 00s and so on, you see Drum Programming, Keyboards, Synthesizers, Writer credits that pertains to instrumental backing tracks or music bed. A Beat Maker is also consider a Songwriter in hense they getting Songwriter and Publishing royalties for composing the Music or Melody. All the A-List Producers like Rodney Jerkins, Dre, Pharrell, Timbaland, J.R Rotem, B. Cox, Dallas are all what you call Songwriter/Producer's. They wear two hats as the Record Producer and the Beatmaker/Writer. In other words they are Record Producers that sees a song from its initial concept to its final mix and Beat Makers that makes the instrument track. Too many people out there think just because they see Timbaland or Rodney Jerkins makes beats, thats all they do all day. They couldn't be more wrong. Once they finish making the beat, they are in the studio with the artist, behind that mixing board calling the shots trying to get great vocals out of them. That is the reason why they are called a Producer because they do a lot more then just sit around and make beats!
Thank you for watching and for thoughtful take on this topic.
If a beatmaker has nothing else to do with the final song beyond the Beat then they didn't Produce the song they made the Beat. Dr Dre will have a vocalist repeat same line 100+ times even to the point of making Fwen Stefani cry when recording vocals for "let me blow ya mind" that's producing. The reason most online Beat lease sellers hate the finished songs Beat lease rappers send to them after. Buying Beat lease is because the rapper acted as their own producer when recording their vocals there was no quality control rhe way there is when DR Dre produces. It's also why some random rapper could take the in da club" Beat abd recording on it but without Dr Dre Producing them the song would not have the quality control it would have if actually produced by Dr Dr instead of just using a Beat made by Dre.
People only argue this in hiphop land in rock when a band doesn't hire a Producer and self produces or hired a bad producer they don't get the results. A producer like Mutt Lange Producing ACDC band and Def Leppard versus albums by them thst he didn't produce there is a huge difference in quality control.
I am a beatmaker, striving to be a producer! Beatmaking is the foundation but producing can change for example Dr Dre as a producer has changed over the years! But, I believe his foundation is beatmaking. I hope I am making sense. I will always loop first even if you give me live musicians, but as a artist gets involved, or if I have one in mind, then I become a producer which means I may also have to work with other producers. There is a difference but I'm a beat maker first!
I’ve gotten in debates with people before about Dr. Dre. People claiming he doesn’t “produce” as much as he gets credit for, but then you find out that these people don’t understand the beat maker/producer distinction. Dre sees tracks and albums from conception to their completion, and is involved in every step of the process (the beat, lyrics, recording, mixing and mastering), whether doing it himself or directing someone else to create the sound he has in his head. That’s literally what a producer is. If you look at all the Death Row albums from the 90’s, you can only find one classic that Dre had no part in. And that’s the Makaveli album, because Tupac’s unique presence always outshined mediocre production (such as in the case of his debut album). Every other “classic” album that came out from Death Row was one where Dre was credited for production or mixing (because a mix can make or break a track) or both. Daz and others claim they weren’t given proper production credit on the Chronic for instance, and yet they have never been able to produce albums of similar quality on their own. Daz made a lot of beats on both All Eyez On Me and The Doggfather, but only one of those is considered a classic now. All Eyez On Me, which had Dre’s creative input and mixing. The Doggfather is no Doggystyle.
There’s an old interview with Snoop where he basically says the same thing.
www.dubcnn.com/interviews/snoopdogg06/part4/
Thanks for this. I plan on doing a video about Dr. Dre. I haven't seen many videos where it goes in depth about his process in the studio. So it's time for me to make one.
@@BackToTheBoomBap I’m glad to see you’ve got a video about Dre in the works. I’ve seen so many people try to bash him based on their poor understanding of what production is. The reason that there is an identifiable “Dre sound” (in the 90’s, samples or interpolations of P-Funk songs that contain “whistle” sounds; later on soulful beats that are sparse but also made to sound very “full” through EQ, very loud snares, use of strings, etc.) is because no matter how many musicians and beat makers are involved in his projects, he is steering them in the direction of his creative vision.
@@briancamus8131 but see, the case with Dr. Dre was that he could be credited alone with a well played track in term of productions. The word of productions is defined from the mid 90s when the word "productions" meant that an artist or a group of artists/producers who also play beats, guitars, keyboards, would produce significant sound that could be recognized even if there were no credits. So literally productions in the 90s and early 2000s meant the style that was created by producer who wouldn't hesitate to play on any instruments. This is applied for example to Just Dippin track where Clever Kisum didn't get his credit on any of re-presses of Snoop CDs where's only Dr. Dre was credited. And there are a lot of examples where, you would guess, a producer like Dr. Dre must to direct the whole conception that people would admire, but sometimes back in the day some artists on lower roles would direct the whole sound that people really like and would say even today that 90s were the best in a rap industry. Because producer from a neighborhood would mean that he is a style and a whole sound carrier.
Truthfully, half of the stuff they said is part of what a “beat maker” does. Now they’re right some “beat makers” do just let anybody rap on their beats without understanding if the artists fits on that beat. Same time, I feel like this whole petty argument is another gateway to validation and separate themselves to another level. Now there are levels and different skills we can always seek to attain. We agree that all this semantics. In the end, the cream will rise and they can’t stop it.
Speak your mind sir I love it
Thank you. I just be on here enjoying myself. My favorite thing I get to do all day is make content. It's gonna really be crazy once I go full time.
It was a little more complicated to make a complete record back in the day. You were recording to tape. Had to sinc the drum machine, sequencer , keyboard in order to record. There was no punching in. Artist , composer/beat maker and producer had to sit with engineer and pick through multiple vocal takes. Thats why a “producer “ role was different because it was an extra creative, set of ears and organizer who can take all the parts of a song no matter if played by musicians or a guy with an mpc and keyboard and map out an full arrangement and the right vocal takes for the final song. People so used to being able to do what was essentially at least 5 jobs back then now they can do most of it in software without the artist even being present, heck even without the engineer being present.
Now that I’m grown, I’ll say this technically 😆 A producer is a person who oversees, supervises and works with the artists or band in the studio on a song or entire album of songs. They are the creative leader over the recording, mixing and mastering of a song.
Technically, a beatmaker is a person who programs drum parts for songs. Drums just being part of the arrangement for the song. Whoever creates the building blocks for a song, like drums, bass, keyboards parts. Is an arranger. In most genres except country or rock maybe. Producers create that arrangement. On top of that, working with the artist for the recording, mixing and mastering of that song.
Bro iv been looking at your vids all day lol great knowledge bro YO THANK YOU ☺️
You're welcome and thank you for watching!👊
thank you for this
You're welcome and thank you for watching it.
I make my stuff from cradle to grave!
i personally feel more comfortable saying im a beat maker, but if i produce evrything on my project/mixtape/album including mastering and recording vocals myself does that make me a producer?
dope video btw
Good point
That's a good question. If you write and record your own songs you're a producer. Even more so if you made the beat too.
@@macewbee thanks to you and also the Amazing Spider-Marcos. I'm glad you guys enjoyed the video. I had been thinking about this topic for a while so I wanted to give my 2 cents on it.
Look at Quincy Jones. Watch how he developed artists, and crafted a song. Look at how he took a recording and broke it down piece by piece and had each piece put back back together with specific changes. Mike's pitch is too high on one note, look how Quincy adjusts him. The tempo is too fast the next note over, Quincy has that adjusted too. Everyone in the studio listens to Quincy. He's the commander. Whether they had creative talent or technical talent, they allowed Quincy to use them as tools to craft the finished project. Time and Time again.
THAT'S a producer.
Dr Dre was called a super producer because unlike previous producers like Quincy, Dre had BOTH technical and creative talent. (Technical) He could make beats and use studio equipment, (Creative) he could write lyrics and rap. *On TOP of being the producer who controlled all studio sessions and the finished project.*
Nowadays with technology so advanced and the internet making it easier to release music. Beatmakers just claim to be producers, mainly because artists will just go to someone else if they don't listen to them. Most beatmakers NEED the money and will kiss ass for it, OR, have a pre-made package of beats for sell. They do a negligible amount of producing, but consider them "producing a beat" sufficient enough to garner the title.
As for your question regarding your own project. You would be your own producer by default. There's nobody guiding you. You control your studio sessions. However, you would also be the "super producer" that Dr Dre was.
Now whether or not you'd match either Quincy (producer) or Dre (super producer) TALENT is another story. One that could only be determined by comparing singles/LPs/and financial success.
Thanks for breaking it down.
This was a great discussion, in my opinion Executive Producing is being discussed as far as overseeing the whole project...Beat makers produce beats so it's all the same to me to an extent.
Appreciate it. In some ways I see both types of producers as being the same, but a lot of people see them as being very different. Emailing beats which is common place today would make it difficult to be a producer in the Dr. Dre sense of the word. But who's to say that guy or gal who does mostly do that is not a real producer? If producing is about executing the vision of a song from start to finish, why is there a such thing as ghost producers?
One of my producers is in South Korea and he emailed me all the beats for our album, however he was the first person to produce beats for me from scratch specifically for me. That was still producing to me, every other album I've created was premade beats. Honestly I've never heard of ghost producers but I looked it up and that's an interesting question. Some people are in it for the money not the art I guess.@@BackToTheBoomBap
The other guy that said he sees song all
The way through to manufacturing is stating what the executive producer does,his job should end when the sonic portion of the song does.
If anyone wants to know more about Producers and Beatmakers, I've just released a new video with more insight on the similarities and differences between the two.
So I'm stuck as a beatmaker even if my process of making a beat tape from start to end still won't make me a producer because I didn't hire a piano player and get placements?
Nope. And that's what I'm rallying against in the video. Who's to say someone is not a producer because you're not directing the room? I say if you made the beat by yourself you are a producer because you're directing what sounds that you use and playing them how you want them to be played. We could say that you're not a producer in hip-hop, if you don't physically make the beat, with instruments and or equipment. But that'll ruffle to many feathers. At the end of the day, the fans don't care lol. When a song blows up, nobody's like "I love this song! And Dr. Dre made this beat all by himself!" lol.
@@BackToTheBoomBapsame as saying a rb artist not a real
Singer because they have ghostwriter
to me a producer is barely different to a beatmaker, they do a bit more here and there, but it's just all about prestige tbh
People just want to establish a hierarchy. Beat maker is just as much a producer .They play an intricate part in the foundation of the track. People that use the term just want to keep themselves on a pedestal. And others like dj Khalid who by the way every song sounds different , so you can tell he has only fame and no influence on the sound ,can't make a beat to save his life.
I feel the same way. And Khaled really can't claim to really do anything but get in contact with people. He's more of an event planner than a producer. 😂
@@BackToTheBoomBap🤣
i honestly think the whole thing is an elitist perspective, based on the literal meaning of 'beatmaker'. producer is an executive term, anyone making direct decisions and putting up content can be a producer of something and a beatmaker is more subjective to the artists' creative experience, but it doesn't disqualify their work in the field by comparison
Naw I think it’s a new age brat maker producer if it’s a fire beat the best maker already did the dirty work and pic the instruments… beatmakers are artist as well
A beatmaker is a producer. They are part of the production process of making a record. The definition of producer says someone who "makes", so all of these pervertions of the word just sound silly. If you watch JD v Diddy, they are both music producers but JD was getting pissed off because he was being challenge by someone who can't make music by himself
No, beatmakers are not producers if they are just making beats and selling beats. You have to be also running the recording session or overseeing a project like Quincy Jones do to be called a producer. A beatmaker who just make beats is more like a music arranger/musician than a producer.
@@amazing50000 Do beatmakers create music? Yes. Do producers create music? Yes. You niggas like create your own stupid definitions to words. Kinda like 21 Savage saying Nas ain't relevant....
@@Topsey2000 Beatmakers are nothing more than musicians/composers (songwriters)/music arrangers OK. You have to do more than that to be called a producer because a music producer is like a director in the film industry.
Quincy Jones never picked up an instrument or used an drum machine/sampler when working on Michael Jackson's albums, but he was still the producer because he was the one who brought in the musicians, songwriters. & arrangers to got job done and oversaw the sessions.
Making a beat is just that aka a Beatmaker, you need to be directing the sessions to make sure that the recordings are coming out right and that the beat, the vocal arrangements, the mixing process & the session itself all going great and locking in. You need to learn.