This Weapon Is SO Much Better Than I Thought It Would Be With Limit Break in Vampire Survivors
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ส.ค. 2024
- Lightning Ring or Thunder Loop. This is the question of the day. Initially I thought the answer is obvious, however...
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U know u can kill EASY every mob including 4 reaper at 30 Min?
U Need trasform only 2 item and i become INVINCIBILE( tank più ho drain)
Thunder Loop changes the behavior of the strikes to shoot two set patterns of strikes in two set rounds of blasts, with a delay between each cycle. It covers more of the screen at regular (7 level-ups) levels, but limit breaks change limits. For fast moving enemies in very large numbers (high curse, 20+ minutes) they can get through the delays between thunder loop's blast. Normally, a 7-level lightning ring also couldn't keep up, but with limit breaks it can fire continuously without interruption, while thunder loop seems to be locked into that delay between firing. Curious that cooldown reduction couldn't scale up to letting thunder loop fire continuously. Until that's changed, thunder loop is gimped in the new world of limit breaks.
"Thunder Loop is amazing because it makes this _Chuk-chooon. Chuk-choon. Chuck-chooon_ noise."
I mean, when you're right, you're right
since limit break, lightning ring has been my gold farm weapon since it doesn't blow up your screen like all the other weapons
Now I'm just waiting for the thunderloop limit break to perform much worse than pure lightning ring.
It always felt to me like thunderloop barely improves the base weapon but seeing it be even worse is new.
Thunder Loop basically only targets the edges from what I can tell, which means if something gets on top of you, you're dead. It's part of why I really dislike the weapon.
@@CottidaeSEA Yep, its good with things that smack it back to the edge, but otherwise as a solo its horrendously bad.
@@astupidlylongnamethatstoolong I think it's because they all fire at the same time, and since most enemies are on the edges, that's just what naturally happens due to RNG.
It is the pause before the second hit that does it in. That pause also feels harder to push down than the basic cooldown. Always felt like thunder loop hit slower than lightning ring. It gets a substantially bigger boost from tragic princess cutting the pause between shots 1 and 2 down to almost 0.
I appreciate your sense of masochism and persistence in the name of science.
Fairly certain it /is/ limit break that makes lightning ring so powerful. It's the sheer amount buff you get. Lightning ring scales exceptionally well with amount, since every extra projectile either focuses a boss and stutters, or hits a living mob + AOE. It makes the weapon much safer too, as if everything on the edges dies in said aoe, it's only valid target is any individuals that have slipped through.
Pritty sure you are right on Thunder Loop being worse since it fires everything in simultaneous bursts rather then sequentially. Yes, the 2nd strike will kill some random enermys, but it also means a lot of things are targeted on the initial strike that would of died to AOE wasting them, lowering the chance of it targeting one that's slipped through AND having the greater time gap between strikes for mobs to get through in the first place. (You might even hit the projectile limit depending on how the lingering circles work)
Dex: *takes as much curse as possible*
Also Dex: *wonders why he is having so many problems*
lol
There is that one arcana that does explosion damage where lightning ring hits
Santa water, thunder loop, and gatti amari seems to be the three weapons that can be better when unevolved huh
Santa water is way better when its evolved
@27:42 you can keep moving into a wall and the arcana would stay active
You're amazing! Don't change anything! Very informative and fun to watch. A lot of personality. Thank you!
Glad you didn't give up after the third death. Unevolved lightning ring being better was a interesting surprise.
Starting with Wicked may work if you just take Tome from level up. Since you don't take Duplicator to evolve you have the slot open.
I tried that, the issue is that when Curse happens, you always die, and you lose a majority of your revival HP. Then the next Curse comes around and you die again. I think the only way is with drops, but this is also wrong since you need level ups to unlock certain ones (e.g. lvl 5/8/14) to be droppable and that makes it near impossible. The issue is that you only have 3 seconds and then Curse will blast you
I do really want to see the thunder and lightning modded double rings, that has my vote
This is my favorite hero - I played for him from the very beginning
I do think there's a "content demon" always whispering on Dex's ear and just saying stuff to make it close/fun/interesting for the content and id say thank you if that demon ever exist you make my day.
Hahaha :D well that content demon is kinda how I play if I know what I do, I lose interest in "just winning" and rather want to test my knowledge and try out things, else I get bored but also stuck on the knowledge I have instead of experiencing things I used to skip
It definitely hurts production/time wise, but it's a ton more fun for me. Glad to hear you enjoy that :)
@@DexTag its fun as it also lets you/me/everyone discover stuff they didn't even know existed or a certain things better on this and that, dont change Dex always stay true to yourself :3.
Thunderloop with the movement cooldown arcana might have worked out but the slower fire rate really hurts :
I would've gone for Armor for a more authentic thor build. Or if you did 2 weapons ring and then cross. If you could replace cross with a hammer it would be even better. (Because the cross returns to you kinda)
Porta was even my solution when I went to unlock Gyorunton. Silent Old Sanctuary seemed like a must-have for that dank double damage and 40% CDR, although if I didn't need to play Boss Rash on Hyper, I unknowingly made it harder on myself by doing so.
Porta already has capped out CDR if you keep her at lvl 1, meaning the Game Killer Arcana makes the unlock super easy. Not that you HAVE to do that, it just turns it into a mostly afk method. Clerici and Ambrojoe, as well as some others, also do incredibely well with Game Killer in that
In egg runs lightning ring post limit break would out damage every other weapon for me
omg how did you get the thor skin :o
I went for the explody one first and waited until the arcana drop to grab the red gem. I still died at 15 minutes (on normal mode too), but I was using porta so dont judge me
Im really excited for this series and I can’t wait to see which weapon is the absolute top of the chart at the end
Actually exist an Easy combo by 2 trasform
U become INVINCIBILE( i survive for 43 Min and die After killing 4 reaper xD)
thor with lightning ring AND thunderloop. that would have been cool
what's the loading thing on your feet? arcana?
Is there any way to access the debug menu with these new updates?
Love the vids me and my 1 yr old daughter watch them before bed
Her first words are going to be “boogaloo of illusions “
i can say now for sure . this is finally your best char.
Can someone pls tell me I am not crazy?
I have tried, 10 times in a row, to win gallo tower with gatti amari but the cats killed me every single time. of course a stray enemy hit me once or twice, but every time there is a cat fight I sit there watching my HP go down and hearing the death noise.
I am on all powerups and go for clover instantly, am I just cursed? I do get every chicken I can but The little "insert curse here" kill me despite that.
Been trying the same thing and they kill me too. I hate them
You're not crazy at all. Cats kill me far more frequently than any enemy. Before you can get the weapon going, it just sucks.
Just to be clear you're letting the cats pick up the chickens right? Keep them fed.
The triple duplicator on it would help
Hey Dex, do you know if the developers plan on adding some sort of barracks like call of duty that shows all your kills etc etc time played etc etc, also do they plan on adding a global leaderboard, I love this game but I'd really love to see these things added
Use the beginning
Hit-scan my ladies and gentlemens!
Is that a mod or a secret character ?
English is not my language, can someone explain me why the Nduja Fritta (fire breath) is called NFT?
It was done as a meme from the developer, he dislikes NFT
It was a jab at Konami for celebrating the anniversay of Castlevania...with a collection of NFTs.
Got it, tnx...
Btw "nduja fritta tanto" is "deep fried nduja" with nduja being a Calabrian spicy salami paste
Love your videos but I gotta say I'm kind of tired seeing library every single game
I agree, the only issue is that library is by far the best one for highest levels due to the enemies that spawn there and also in which order.
I'll think about switching it up, but that makes the comparison of weapon damage achieved even worse than it already is
@@DexTag yea I thought about the comparison too after writing the comment. probably have to do it after all weapons are done
Why does the background matter? You could mod in a picture of spongebob to be the stage background and the gameplay would be the same. The only difference is different enemy sprites.
@@coachmcguirk6297 every stage is different in spawns etc, also, with the Library you don't have to manage enemies coming from the top and bottom
@@coachmcguirk6297 say you havent played the game without saying you havent played the game 😂
Yeah thunder loop is just so bad compared to lightning ring.. the delay between the strikes is just way too long and make it impossible to survive late game when you get the curse buff with 300%+ base curse 🥲 and it seems only 1 strike will hit the boss so it took me like 10 times longer to kill the guardians with the Loop than with the Ring 🙅♂ Also seems like the CD reduction when moving Arcana had really no effect on the delay for some reason 🤨 maybe there is a minimal delay in the code itself duno
Lightning bolt is THE best weapong for gold farming and IMO THE BEST weapon in the whole game.
EDIT: Thunderloop tends to synch with some waves, thus creating some dangerous situations between weapon procing. This doesn't happend with Lightning ring.
I think Santa Water is a lot better, but Lightning Ring is a very good one, I agree
@@DexTag Yeah, i like Santa Water a lot too, but taking into account the lag factor of Santa Water/La Borra, LR is more efficient IMO.
Also: Love ur content
@@WRJara Really? I don't have lag for either of them, so I can't evaluate it, and their scaling is incredibely similar with the difference that Santa Water will hit more enemies than Lightning Ring does - which would create more lag, but in the end that's what's wanted with limit break, to hit as many enemis as possible
@@DexTag After running Cappella for a couple of hours, SW has acumulated a lot more lag than LR, at least since i play on notebook. Dunno if it's related to SW having different properties than the bolts.
@@DexTag The nicer thing about Lightning Ring though is that it's one of the weapons that you don't have to move at the beginning if you've got cooldowns low enough (when using it on an egged character for gold farming), whereas Santa Water you do still need to move initially until you get the area large enough, because it just doesn't hit the enemies that got through to the middle before Santa Water completed its circle.
really like the skipping video format
I don't understand why you think the lightning ring is weak, it's literally the easiest weapon in the game
U need wings!!
How can Lightning Ring can be better than Thunder Loop ? Is it because you can limit break it earlier ?
Thunder Loop strikes all hits at once while Lightning Ring does them one after another but very rapidly. If e.g. 5 enemies are in a spot, then Thunder Loop may waste 4 hits on those 5 enemies if it strikes all 5 individually, while Lightning Ring will strike 1 and all 5 dies. This leads to the scenario that Lightning Ring will clear more on the screen and doesn't leave singular enemies behind.
Just look at times where I kill the Guardian with Lightning Ring and when I attempt it with Thunder Loop, it shows it really well
I have only watched for 3 minutes, seems really rough to use as a solo weapon. Curse doesn't seem to be possible at all.
I also believe focusing on xp gain is potentially worse than aiming for just getting as many kills as possible. Because that's the main issue with the weapon; it doesn't kill nearly enough enemies and fires too infrequently. More kills also means more xp, so it seems like that would be better. Hard to say without actually testing though.
These videos are really interesting to me, because they really highlight the strengths and weaknesses of different weapons.
Turns out the above is likely true; however, it stops being relevant after a while.
told you porta is strong dex!!! haha
I find a way ti kill EASY the 4 reaper at 30 Min
With Just 2 trasformatio u become INVINCIBILE ( no joke)
I Will die After killing 4 reaper by grey reaper xD
Why do you say "no joke" ? You're just using Crimson Shroud that is clearly intended to make you invincible, that' s no secret lol. BTW, you cant kill more than one reaper, if you kill one the others disappear and the grey one spawns.