Swedish Ljungman Rifle Misconceptions
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In this video I try to dispel some of the misconceptions around the Swedish Ljungman rifle concerning its safety and getting "Ljungman thumb" (the Ljungman version of Garand thumb).
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Finaly…an American that knows how to use the Ljungman AG-42B! Greetings from Sweden 🇸🇪
I just got one from my mother in law. Belonged to her husband. I had no clue as to how it worked. Glad my thumb was nowhere close wen it released. Surprised the he'll our of me. This video helped me understand it. Thank you. Just need to get some ammo for it.
Finallly, an american that knows How to pronounce Ljungman!!!!!
he actually didnt pronounce it right
@@artilleryfire6576 - Close enough.
The risk comes from single loading without the stripper clip. If the round is too far back, it will push the bolt capture pin down releasing the bolt on your thumb. The stripper clip keeps the rounds forward and away from the bolt capture pin.
If the safety is on it won’t release the bolt carrier
Exactly use the safety correct
Thanks! I'll be watching this a few more times when I get mine next week.
I have one of these. you should always have the safety on when reloading cause when a round is in the magazine the dust cover just has to slide 1/8" forward for you to lose a finger. the bolt realease is like a hair point trigger you just have to shake the gun or tap it against a table for the bolt to come crashing forward. That's the best feature of this gun though is how fast you can reload it.
Thank you! Finally a good video on how to proceed with this gun. It is a rare gun, even in Sweden, and there are a lot of as you describe it, misconceptions about it. I knew it couldn't be that bad and dangerous design to it.
Thanks, great recap (I am taking mine out to the range after a long while).
I used to have the carbine version of this rifle. Absolutely magic to use and super reliable. Pity I had to hand it in during the gun buyback in Australia during the eighties.
Something like that happening here is my nightmare.
shudder condolances
They could’ve taken it from me once I was dead...
It’s ridiculous that they called it a buyback. If it’s not for sale, they can’t buy it.
Putting the rifle on SAFE guarantees the bolt won’t drop whether the mag is in or out the rifle. A 7 or 8mm forged steel bar keeps it locked to the inside the dust cover. Encourage people to keep their weapon on safe when not firing.
thanks a lot. I have this beautiful rifle and all 10 fingers but in the past i had engaged the safety great video thanks
Proper procedure taught in the Swedish armed forces was to remove the stripper clip with your hand, not to let the dust cover send it flying.
Was there a reason for that?
@@DelGTAGrndrs Why not???
A rebuilt AG42 was used as a ranging gun on the Swedish 90mm anti tank gun Pvpj 1110, that gun was in use in the Swedish army and was ended in the end of the 1990's. All the remaining guns were transferred to the Baltic states as a aid for the rebuild of their defense forces.
I got caught by a friend's Hakim. Managed to bleed all over the gun. But that's because I was dumb.
John Nuckolls How did it happen?
I do know someone that smashed his finger or thumb in one but he isn't the sharpest knife in the kitchen if you know what I mean. I have one and always keep the safety in the ON position when loading. I bought mine in 2003.
That is a cool gun I used to look for them since I love the 6.5x55 round.
I had to surrender one of them in 1996 when Australia had the MANDATORY gun buyback. I’m still pissed about it.
I was just out shooting mine today. I've had it since 2003.
Another misconception about the Ljungman is that you can shove it full of mud and destroy it for a lot of views on youtube.
I heard the same thing when I got my hakim, so i decided to make a video as well. I think it's just panic when people worry about slamming their fingers in the action. The most common lore I think is around the m1 garand though and that's a myth to.
Really nice and initiated video! I did my basic military service (conscripts) in Sweden back in 1980 as a squad leader for a Anti tank squad, we used a 90mm anti tank gun, mounted on a terrain vehicle. This anti tank gun used a converted Ljungman AG42 as a tracer range finding gun for the main 90mm gun.
We were very well drilled in handling the guns, but in the beginning it did happen some mistakes, not applying the safety (we always changed the magazine, not reloading with strips).
Check Pvpj1110.
That's amazing. Do you collect military surplus firearms in Sweden?
@@MilsurpWorld Not really, however I did go further after my time as a conscript,did some UN-service and after that I did officer training and worked as a officer for 10 years until the big "reduction" (slaughter) of the armed forces in late 90's. Used and trained conscripts in using the: pistol m/07,m/40, Kpist m/45b,Ak4 (H&K AG3), Ksp m/36,42,58, 8.4cm Grg(Carl Gustaf in the US) Pvpj 1110, 8 & 12 cm Grk (Grenade launcher). And several more both guns and vehicles. So I do have a great interest Swedish guns.
@@bengtmowitz5012 Send me a message over on the Milsurp World Facebook page. I'd love to talk more about it.
I have owned two of those. They are AWESOME!. If you don't understand the manual of arms, don't mess with it.
Tip for getting stripper clips to work in this? They don't seem long enough to be able to feed in
So the only way to release the bolt home if the rifle is empty is to remove the magazine is this correct
00:13 "Pretty Swede"
I have an Egyptian Hakim, essentially the same rifle but in 7.92x57mm and I feel that perhaps on the second stripper clip if the dust cover were to get bumped you could be in a bind.
- TheNuttyGunNut - You should try it out and let me know.
North Florida Gun Guy let me see how the carrot fairs.
If you capture the bolt in the dust cover by pushing forward before loading, best to set the safety as the bolt will close if you bump it back after the first round is in. I don't set the safety either, but I do not push forward on the dust cover until after I finished loading. Then push forward to capture the bolt, releasing the capture pin. Then pull back to close the bolt. Love the Hakim. Make sure your gas valve is properly set to your ammo to avoid damage to your rifle. This feature is only on the Hakims and Rasheeds.
Milsurp World, I have one of these AG42Bs and its weird. I'll load the magazine full with PPU made 6.5x55 mm swede. It'll fire the first two rounds and then fail to chamber so I have to recharge it... but the remaining rounds chamber and fire fine. This happens every single time. Have you had an issue like that? 2 rounds fire, then a failure to feed, then you rack it, and then the rest fire and feed fine. Always after the 2nd round.
So is it safe to use 6.5x55 modern ammo in this rifle i bought one with alot of diffrent boxes of ammo some looks old how modern does the ammo need to be. It came with 139,140,and144 grain bullets maybe i should have passed on the ammo?
5 years later
The problem is when you go to load it with the safety off you put 1 clip work of ammo in it if you accidentally bump the carrier it will slam on your thumb
I'd love to shoot mine more but when researching the rifle I came across a lot of posts about modern ammunition not being safe to fire in the Ljungman. When purchasing the rifle it came with some very old ammo and it shot wonderfully. A man's rifle indeed. Anyone have any experiences or tips to make note of when purchasing ammunition for this rifle? I'm not able to reload my own so that option is out, for now.
I think modern 6.5 is fine in it. The commercial ammo is not as hot as the military 6.5x55.
It has to do with the burn rate of the powder. This rifle cannot have slow burning powders used. Several people seem to agree that Privi ammo is ok, but Norma or Federal Fusion may blow up in the rifle, possibly firing out of battery. Also, any ammo originally designed for a bolt action rifle such as the Mauser should NOT be used in this rifle, as they used the slower burning powder to get the maximum velocity out of a bolt action rifle. I reviewed the info again last night after posting my comment. Handloaders all seem to agree..
@@Bird76Mojo76 Norma is Swedish so we load hotter as we use the ammo for hunting. Most US ammo should be fine though, you don't load ammo as hot.
The Federal is way too hot...
I have owned one and they are amazing rifles.
Thanks for clearing this up. I too have gotten tired of hearing people regurgitate the same information they heard from someone else when they have never even handled the gun. I've never handled a Ljungman to get to know its mechanics. I did get to handle a Hakim but it had the action zip-tied and magazine removed.
I was under the impression that if the bolt cycles on an empty magazine, the magazine follower would catch the bolt. Thus, if you attempted to press rounds into the magazine straight away, it would send the bolt home and crush your thumb. Thus, the proper reloading procedure is to first put the gun on safe and push the dust cover forward to catch the bolt. I don't know if this applies to only the Hakim or both the Hakim and the Ljungman. Do you know if the Hakim has the same bolt catch as the Ljungman?
Also, I rewatched TFB TV''s run-and-gun, and his rifle wasn't locking back on the last round. Missing the bolt catch perhaps?
ritterbruder212 Yeah, the Ljungman Alex was shooting was malfunctioning(bolt catch not working) and he didnt seem to realize it.
How much are they going for?
Two years later?
What if you accidentally hit the magazine release when you are pushing a stripper clip full of rounds in?
Will the mag fall out and then destroy your fingers in the process?
Nope.
“I got this for a pretty good deal”
I know this is a 3 year old video, would love to know the general price range you pay for your guns when you buy them. Help with a reference point. Thanks!
I agree very much in what you said about this military rifle. Like I was 32 years ago I was an Infantry Basic Recruit. The Drill Sergeants who are very well versed in the weapons system will take every recruit step by step before going to the firing range. In my case was the M16A1 rifle. Every military in the world will teach its recruits everything about their issued rifles either by retraining or giving boots to their asses. Specific issue weapons or all, soldiers will be taught how to use them. By training automatic responses will kick in unless human stupidity causes it.
What are you shooting in that? All sorts of stories on the net about problems with some commercial loads being too hot, and there being nothing available that's really close to the original Swedish m/41 military round.
I've only shot Swedish m/41 surplus through it so far.
Just got one! Thanks for the video :)
I've seen several AG42B's and Hakim's with a worn out last round bolt hold open that doesn't function. And once you load the first 5 rd clip the hold open is disabled while your loading the second 5 rd clip. So please, use the safety when loading. But if you don't, at least get yourself mangling your finger on video so we can all enjoy your suffering.
Hello! where can we by this type of rifel.
The problem is that if you load it with a stripper clip but forget to flip the safety on, it can eat your thumb.
Edit - I checked, and this only happens if the bolt carrier group is being retained by the receiver cover rather than the bolt catch when you load the stripper clip. If you take the mag out of the rifle for transport like I do, you should insert the empty mag, lock the bolt back, and then proceed to load it with a stripper clip. Don't lock the bolt back first and then insert the empty mag, or it will bite as soon as rearward pressure is applied to the receiver cover by your stripper clip or hand.
You ever own one?
@@MilsurpWorld Yes, I currently own a couple dozen because I build them on Hakim receivers. Having said that, I don't shoot them a whole lot. When I do, I remove the magazine to load. My understanding is that if the safety is left off, exerting rearward pressure on the receiver cover after the first cartridge has been loaded into the magazine will release the bolt carrier group. Do correct me if I'm wrong.
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Edit - I had to go check one out after writing this. When the gun runs empty, the bolt carrier group is held by the bolt catch. Even after the first cartridge is loaded into the mag, the forward pressure of the bolt on the bolt catch keeps the catch from retracting. The bolt carrier is not being held by the receiver cover until you push the receiver cover forward a little bit to catch the bolt carrier, and that's when the bolt catch retracts. Only then does the bolt carrier group slam home if the receiver cover is pulled back against the safety block with the safety off. This is what you described in your video. No issues there.
I think my fear of the AG42's bolt carrier has to do with how I have handle them. When I go test-fire an AG42 I've built, I take it to the range with the magazine removed (per MA's nanny-state rules). When I arrive at the range, I lock the bolt back and put the rifle in a rack (per my range's safety rules). When I go to fire the rifle, I take it from the rack with the bolt locked back and insert the loaded mag. If I inserted an empty mag instead and tried to immediately load it with a stripper clip and the safety off, I would smash my thumb because the bolt carrier is being retained by the receiver cover rather than the bolt catch. I now understand that I can avoid this by letting the bolt close on the bolt catch, which is being held up by the empty magazine, before trying to load it with a stripper clip. Thanks for the demo!
If you always leave the magazine in the rifle, as the designers had intended, you have to make a deliberate motion forward and then back for the bolt to slam home. If you have to remove the magazine for transport like I do, then you can avoid any potential issues by inserting the mag with the bolt closed as shown in the video. My issue is that I had been inserting the magazine with the bolt locked to the rear out of habit, because that's the manual of arms that the Army taught me for the AR platform.
Just learned something!
Thanks, learn something new every day!
@@MilsurpWorld just added some details to my reply. I'll make sure to post an instructional video that explains this when these guns are ready for sale! Thanks : )
Well I went to a gun show the other day I saw a hakim and thought it was an Ag42 I was so exited but when I inspected it further and saw the tag I felt nothing but disappointment lol.
Nice video, didn't know the clips could be kicked out of the receiver by the bolt (I thought you had to manually remove them)
Another misconception shot down!
I do find it cool when you don't have to remove the clips and it just kicks them out like that. Similar to bolting forward on a Mauser, or especially here, with the amount of force that the Ljungman bolt has when coming forward makes kicking the clip off rather satisfying
Satisfying and a little scary when it's that close to your face.
Nice vid NFGG, hadn't seen the Ljungman up close before. SVT 40 but better?
It's almost like the Swedes wanted to make gas system simpler but make the operating system more complicated.
Great video. I´ve been looking for one for some time but it seems we shipped all of our m42 off to you guys across the pond :(
Thanks for your concise, cogent explanation of the loading process for this rifle, but remember-the dog takes priority! ;)
Hey just found your channel I found a 19/4 in my grandpa's collection it has no bayonet lug but has a scope it's all number matching 85553 do you know of any sweedish 1894s that had scopes
Found one if these yesterday at a close by gun shop . They want 700 for it . Is that fair or to much ?
And because of ur video I could show them how to use it lol
Buy it, buy it now. 700 is less than half of what they go for now.
I'll go back and see if they have it . What caliber is it
Ljungmans are 6.5x55. Make sure it's not a Hakim though.
Did you end up getting it ???
Hey man where are you located in North Florida, I also live in North Florida and fellow TH-camr.
I picked up a M95 Mauser 7mm today and was wondering if you where familiar with them . Had a few questions
I have a Chilean 1895, I might be able to help.
North Florida Gun Guy . How could I check the head space or even make sure it is safe to shoot . If it's converted to 308 will a 7 mm cartridge still fit . I don't believe it's been modified and is all original just making sure to check everything before I fire it .
RD-Mod-Garage 850 7.62 is larger than 7mm Mauser so the easiest way to know for sure is by the bore diameter.
Are American rounds safe to fire in them, they guy I got it from gave me a box of Hornady 7mm Mauser rounds , not sure where to get surplus rounds . I read winchester rounds where pretty close to older rounds but not sure ?
You'll be fine shooting just about any 7mm Mauser ammo though it. Just be careful of squibs if shooting older ammo.
Swedish gun-nut here!
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TFBTV needs to see this after their silly Hakim vid
They don't care about old guns anymore.
@@MilsurpWorld True, I was just annoyed how many completely incorrect things they claimed in that vid. I forget how old it was, 2 years I think.
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@@MilsurpWorld Thanks!
What watch is that you're wearing in the video? It is very nice.
It's a Junkers.
@@MilsurpWorld Thank you!
Smuggle me one to Australia and ill love you long time :(
You cant own semi-autos you silly subject of the crown.
I had one in the eighties. Cost me $75Aus. Loved it. Used it for pigs. Fun days. Handed it back after Port Arthur
@@johndennington5136 >:( should have buried it!!
If I could only have 2 Swedish rifles....this would be one of them.
And the k31?
by the way this rifle called also hakim rifle it is belong to egyptian army in the 50th
I hope you read this comment Milsurp World and i HOPE you watch my latest upload! We are 99% sure this is the gun we found magnet fishing! Would you mind watching the video? What do you think? More insight would be amazing! Thanks!
Its not a mauser rifle, it just uses the same cartridge as a mauser rifle, which is a bolt action rifle used in sweden many years ago.
I used an ag42 (which is the name used in Sweden, only americans call it Ljungman, its just made in a factory called "Ljungman pump AB") during my time in the army back in 1961, we were the unlucky ones, the lucky ones got to carry the lighter and much easier k-pist m/45 (which americans call the "Carl Gustaf", once again, thats just the name of the factory that produced it "Carl Gustafs gevärsfaktori")
Funny how you americans always uses another name for our stuff, than we do, haha
I didn't mean to say "all the other Mausers", I just meant "like Mausers". I know the AG42 is not a Mauser.
you sold your children????????????