I've heard of this, I think it was called a "Heel roll." I first saw it in action when I watched a drum cam of The Rev playing live, his technique was impeccable I should mention I don't have any drums and don't know any lingo, so a "heel roll" could be something entirely different... actually, maybe it was "heel toe?" They sound similar
Heel-Toe is an entirely different technique, meant to do double strokes. There are so many different techniques, though. I've been working on both heel-toe and ankle lately. They're both very weird to pick up on for an old "stomper" like myself. Haha
I think you meant heel toe. The Rev I believe was definitely a ankle technique player. Heel toe is something what Art Cruz from Lamb of God does quite a lot. I am also a heel toe player. I prefer using it even in mid tempos of 140 too.. It's less taxing to the foot.
@@eeeeee8762 youre talking about the live in the lbc video aren’t you? I have been trying to find any footage of his feet because his technique is so awesome to me, clear, fast, and powerful. Let me know anything else further you find out!!
I miss my friends double bass and couldn't understand my brother-in-law telling me to use my heels. But I made noise. My bro's drum teachings are "can you count to 4? That's how I learned." Yeah yeah, we know.
Im an old school drummer like a few other people in the comments. The things people do with drums and even guitars now a days just blows my mind. Its simply amazing. I tried this on my old set of "Gretsch " drums and they said, nope, we dont do that here lol Im 56 and still jamming. But the rock has just about rolled away. Thanks for sharing your technique and talents. I'll keep trying. But I think I need to raise the throne higher to get the angle. But then I'd have to lower it so I dont fall off on the next song lol
@@JosephTavano Hey there, Joseph. Thank ya, brother. Appreciate the advice. Since my comment on here the other day, I've raised the throne up. I sure didn't like it at first. I been doing it my way (the wrong way) so long, but I told myself to stick with it, I'd get used to it. And I've left it up. It has turned out to be more comfortable. I haven't improved any lol But one thing at a time 👍👍 Keep rolling the rock. Appreciate your comment. Tale care.
@@CameronFleury I forgot to put a laughing face but yes my home is all the same company linked so we go hide under the stairs to discuss important stuff. 😆🤔😂
Loving your black panther kit, and I’m so jealous of that snare, and also we use the same kick heads, but Put a piece of tape over part of your snare wires.. or like, an o ring on the batter, please, every kick hit is ringing like crazy Not to hate, it’s just not pleasant lmao, it’d piss me off real quick if it was on my kit Also, good explanation and breakdown for this, good for beginners to get up speed and control!.
Doing some judo and running I grimace for that amount of calf work for longer bouts... The lower legs get fried so fast compared to other parts of the body when you really use them. Since most of the days we don't really need them to work, just hang around moving without loading. Shoutouts to drummers, it makes all the sense why they're so fit.
Love that snare man, I have the un-hammered one and a hammered 10”. They’ve been in my collection for years. The 14x6.5 is in incredible shape, none of the wires ever broke, everything in top condition. On the hammered 10” one of the lugs crumbled on the inside. I tried to get a replacement from Mapex but they don’t make them anymore. I guess I’ll have to cannibalize one of my other lesser black panthers. Killer vid.
When I started playing I naturally used heel-toe without even knowing it was a thing until a guy was amazed of the speed I could play with a single pedal
This has to do with seating also. Sit your sat higher. If your seat is low, you'll use more of your leg instead of ankle technique like he's discussing
My dad would rock his feet back and forth hitting the bass drum everytime he brings his toes and heels down. He always called this the heel-toe technique
Hey your videos keep popping up in my feed and I really liked the snare tone in one of your other videos but I couldn’t find the one so I’ll just comment here. What snare do you use?
Im not a drummer and have never touched a drumkit, but that almost looks like you can almost think of it like jogging on the pedals. Use the biggest muscles available to accomplish the task in order to keep up your stamina. Also, if im getting sent drum lesson shorts, TH-cam has an odd image of who i am.
How important is seat-height in this? I notice most metal drummers are up in the stratosphere, almost standing up. Does that minimize the leg lifting help force you to rely on ankle movement?
Do you think a good throne is important? I feel like it’s all about technique but also the technique is to be comfortable. So I think a a good throne and pedal go a lot further than people think.
A good drum throne is very important, especially if your playing for long periods of time. Have had alot of thrones over the years but in my humble opinion Roc N Soc are a cut above the rest. Functionality and comfort nothing comes close.
So is this like the version of, "Molar," technique (thats my spelling lol, only heard it said) for double bass? Like the way Jay Weinberg plays fast ride patterns, letting the stick drop and pulling up. Sort of like push pull but more volume on the first note. I have a lot of chronic pain issues and Im trying to relearn to play without so much pain, this is helpful!
@@the_rustydoornob1164 get the tama 1st chair hydraulic bike seat style throne it's the best drum chair out there. It also raises just high enough to get that nice angle for me and I'm 6 ft 4 inches. Raise the throne as high high as it will go and that will work perfect for you. The tama 1st chair hydraulic motorcycle seat style.
I have one calf which has atrophy so have almost no strength to use heel (nerve damage) Is the a way I can still try this technique because I have to use leg muscle. which I get tired quickly.
And John Henry Bonham never learned that because he did it naturally hence the reason that Bonzo with one bass drum can't be copied because it was the one of a kind Bonzo groove that can't be copied!
What tension do you have both pedals at? I find with my cheap double pedals, one is always more tight than the other. My right leg pedal is always more loose than my left leg pedal
Some drummers are stompers I think.. I used to know this drummer who had the strongest, fastest double around. And he stomped. But I use the flutter technique myself.
Everyone is different brother, i dont use ankle or swivel or double stroke but use back of heal plus full leg and get upto 280 bpm, its just how i adapted. Never practiced always just played along to Nile and ORIGIN and now make my own music 🤘🤘🔥
holy shit this is exactly the problem i have. not able to ankle it fully but this explained it perfectly
I'm glad you found the video helpful!
I guess you could say... you were kneeding this
@@CommanderCodyChipless FBI OPEN UP
I've heard of this, I think it was called a "Heel roll." I first saw it in action when I watched a drum cam of The Rev playing live, his technique was impeccable
I should mention I don't have any drums and don't know any lingo, so a "heel roll" could be something entirely different... actually, maybe it was "heel toe?" They sound similar
Heel-Toe is an entirely different technique, meant to do double strokes. There are so many different techniques, though. I've been working on both heel-toe and ankle lately. They're both very weird to pick up on for an old "stomper" like myself. Haha
I think you meant heel toe.
The Rev I believe was definitely a ankle technique player.
Heel toe is something what Art Cruz from Lamb of God does quite a lot.
I am also a heel toe player.
I prefer using it even in mid tempos of 140 too.. It's less taxing to the foot.
@@eeeeee8762 youre talking about the live in the lbc video aren’t you? I have been trying to find any footage of his feet because his technique is so awesome to me, clear, fast, and powerful. Let me know anything else further you find out!!
@@chetkersey5027 there’s a video of just the rev playing beast and the harlot on youtube
This is how i learned to play! It also helps you get consistent doubles or triplets playing with one pedal.
One pedal, endless possibilities! Keep rockin' those doubles and triplets.
I miss my friends double bass and couldn't understand my brother-in-law telling me to use my heels. But I made noise. My bro's drum teachings are "can you count to 4? That's how I learned." Yeah yeah, we know.
The bassdrum sounds like an AK-47
evans EMAD heads man. i have put an EMAD on the worst kinds of kick drums and it instantly sounds epic as fuck
Evans is the way...
Not a big fan of EMAD. Aquarian Super-Kick II is the best IMO
darkness imprisoning me 🗣️🗣️💯🔥
Sounds kind of shitty to be honest
This is sick! Appreciate the breakdown!
Im an old school drummer like a few other people in the comments.
The things people do with drums and even guitars now a days just blows my mind. Its simply amazing.
I tried this on my old set of "Gretsch " drums and they said, nope, we dont do that here lol
Im 56 and still jamming. But the rock has just about rolled away.
Thanks for sharing your technique and talents.
I'll keep trying. But I think I need to raise the throne higher to get the angle.
But then I'd have to lower it so I dont fall off on the next song lol
Keep rocking on, age is just a number when it comes to music!
@@CameronFleury
Very true brother.
I'm planning to keep rocking till my time on earth is done 👍👍
@@CameronFleury True Indeed and it certainly does keep you "Young" in many ways. This includes the Spirit vibe, so important to our being.
@@rickwells5624 always keep that throne high and those drums and cymbals low! Drumming is about ankles and wrists not shoulders and hips.
@@JosephTavano
Hey there, Joseph.
Thank ya, brother. Appreciate the advice.
Since my comment on here the other day, I've raised the throne up. I sure didn't like it at first. I been doing it my way (the wrong way) so long, but I told myself to stick with it, I'd get used to it. And I've left it up.
It has turned out to be more comfortable.
I haven't improved any lol
But one thing at a time 👍👍
Keep rolling the rock.
Appreciate your comment. Tale care.
Great info thanks !
Glad it was helpful!
This video and Chris Adler breaking down his double base technique are the best examples I've seeen.
Thanks for comprehensive tutorials!
No problem at all! Happy to help.
Brilliant Cameron thank you!
You're welcome!
Excellent lesson my great friend!!! 👍🎼🥁🎼👍.
Many thanks!!
Thank you, literally just had this conversation and AI must've heard because this video popped up and I was sold a double bass pedal.
Looks like the AI is keeping a close eye on your conversations. Better watch what you say next!
@@CameronFleury I forgot to put a laughing face but yes my home is all the same company linked so we go hide under the stairs to discuss important stuff. 😆🤔😂
Loving your black panther kit, and I’m so jealous of that snare, and also we use the same kick heads, but
Put a piece of tape over part of your snare wires.. or like, an o ring on the batter, please, every kick hit is ringing like crazy
Not to hate, it’s just not pleasant lmao, it’d piss me off real quick if it was on my kit
Also, good explanation and breakdown for this, good for beginners to get up speed and control!.
Doing some judo and running I grimace for that amount of calf work for longer bouts... The lower legs get fried so fast compared to other parts of the body when you really use them. Since most of the days we don't really need them to work, just hang around moving without loading. Shoutouts to drummers, it makes all the sense why they're so fit.
Love that snare man, I have the un-hammered one and a hammered 10”. They’ve been in my collection for years. The 14x6.5 is in incredible shape, none of the wires ever broke, everything in top condition. On the hammered 10” one of the lugs crumbled on the inside. I tried to get a replacement from Mapex but they don’t make them anymore. I guess I’ll have to cannibalize one of my other lesser black panthers. Killer vid.
Dude, your snare collection sounds awesome! Shame about the lug, but hey, that's just another opportunity to make your drum kit even more unique!
Thank you for that tip, it actually works. If you have any more advice, I would love to learn more from you
Best bass drum heads ever Evans EMad, I use them on my bass drums as well. Aquarian Super Kick is good too.
Much love bro. Much love.
Very solid advice!
Great advice
THIS WAS SO HELPFUL OMG
looks like a black panther black widow kit?? I have a full bpbw kit, 2up 2dn on a rack.. hands down best kit ever.. rock on
Sure is! 🙌
This is crucial and a lot of tikes comes naturally. Its not talked about enough
When I started playing I naturally used heel-toe without even knowing it was a thing until a guy was amazed of the speed I could play with a single pedal
This has to do with seating also. Sit your sat higher. If your seat is low, you'll use more of your leg instead of ankle technique like he's discussing
Dead On...Exactly Right Sir 😎👊💯💯
That Mapex Black Panther Black Widow kit is sweet!
Soy el sub #600, buen video 👍
The bell under the hihat looks like tinnitus was here
That's basically where my bell is.
One of your toms frequency is off and reacting to you bass drum. Great advice either way.
Maybe my tom has a mind of its own and wants to groove with the bass drum!
Thanks dude this was great 🤘
I'm glad you found it helpful!
My dad would rock his feet back and forth hitting the bass drum everytime he brings his toes and heels down. He always called this the heel-toe technique
SICK tone.
Hey your videos keep popping up in my feed and I really liked the snare tone in one of your other videos but I couldn’t find the one so I’ll just comment here. What snare do you use?
same rule applies to one kick pedal which I can make sound like a double bass pedal
Im not a drummer and have never touched a drumkit, but that almost looks like you can almost think of it like jogging on the pedals. Use the biggest muscles available to accomplish the task in order to keep up your stamina.
Also, if im getting sent drum lesson shorts, TH-cam has an odd image of who i am.
How important is seat-height in this? I notice most metal drummers are up in the stratosphere, almost standing up. Does that minimize the leg lifting help force you to rely on ankle movement?
Kept hearing blue Monday in those sharp, full leg beats
Yup! Lars (Metallica) explained this on Howard Stern! 🤘🤘🤘
INTERESTING!
I realized that myself some months ago. what a coincidence. good to know I'm in the right direction
Do you think a good throne is important? I feel like it’s all about technique but also the technique is to be comfortable. So I think a a good throne and pedal go a lot further than people think.
A good drum throne is very important, especially if your playing for long periods of time. Have had alot of thrones over the years but in my humble opinion Roc N Soc are a cut above the rest. Functionality and comfort nothing comes close.
Oh wow thank you
Awesome 🥁
many thanks
Kinda confusing as it looks the same visually, but I think I kinda get it and have to try it. 👍
Thank you for being open to trying it out despite the initial confusion!
I gotta see how you're doing it in action...for at least 2 bars...plus which foot are you putting the 1 on...?
So is this like the version of, "Molar," technique (thats my spelling lol, only heard it said) for double bass? Like the way Jay Weinberg plays fast ride patterns, letting the stick drop and pulling up. Sort of like push pull but more volume on the first note. I have a lot of chronic pain issues and Im trying to relearn to play without so much pain, this is helpful!
Good info
Thank you for the informative videos. If at all possible, try enhancing your presentation by putting your mic closer to your mouth.
Thanks for the tip!
Bro science. Dig it.
Always!
Oddly enough, this is how I've always played.
I wonder if that would cause issues with the Achilles over time. Ok fine, I'm an old giy with concerns.
maybe but do warmups and physical therapy exercises and itll probs be fine
This is great, thanks! How do you prevent that ringing on the toms when you’re doing recording?
Use gates!
@@CameronFleury ah ha! Thanks!!
Why does the kick sound like someone slapping a ham?
I wanna hear that snare!!!
Love that pearl reference pure kit buddy
They're Mapex Black Panther Black Widows! :)
@@CameronFleury they got those same reference pure lugs, I'm talking about the drums
I just learned something new
Happy to help!
Thanks
I need a taller throne, I’m a tall ass dude so I can’t get the angle I want to have good technique
@@the_rustydoornob1164 get the tama 1st chair hydraulic bike seat style throne it's the best drum chair out there. It also raises just high enough to get that nice angle for me and I'm 6 ft 4 inches. Raise the throne as high high as it will go and that will work perfect for you. The tama 1st chair hydraulic motorcycle seat style.
This was muscle memory for me since I even started playing drums tbh I sometimes even play pedal too fast
You need to practice at various tempos if your feet arent playing along
That stick has seen better days! xD
I have one calf which has atrophy so have almost no strength to use heel (nerve damage) Is the a way I can still try this technique because I have to use leg muscle. which I get tired quickly.
Great tip! Follow this dude's channel so he can get a better set of mics. Remember, Elvis for fast double bass.
Some folks do normt get the left right.
Nice shoes mate
And John Henry Bonham never learned that because he did it naturally hence the reason that Bonzo with one bass drum can't be copied because it was the one of a kind Bonzo groove that can't be copied!
Any tips how to setup the 2nd pedal?
It’s called “free floating” it comes with time.
Shoutout my dude Elvis
Now my lip curls when I play. 😂😂😂
Its just that leg bouncing thing that people do all the time. But it's musical.
What are you using in the Bass Drum??
Is this a full black panther drum kit?
I hear that sympathetic resonance.
This was also sort of like Derek Roddy's flatfoot technique
Very much so! We had Derek do a masterclass inside of our community and we touched on it as well.
@@CameronFleury wow, I didn't know that .that's really cool! Thanks for replying
Makes sense!
J’espère que l’on aura le ZLR du Broly Tec, et qui sera Broken. On a besoin de up en Extrême. (Et d’une bonne carte extrême Pui 😭)
Esos son unos vans Kylie Walker 🤟🏻
How were you able to Play it so Fast that First Time? You must have Bionic Terminator Legs.
The Ankle Technique!
Eloy casagrande is thebest pedaling drum
does this work on electric pedals T.T my calves start to burn sometimes if i’m using a lot of bass lol
That's how u get awesome burrito diarrhea blast beats
This is double bass pedal playing not double bass as per say Louie Bellson
joey jordison doesn't want to teach us. 😂
What pedal is that?
what pedal is that?
I'm a guitarist and I watched the whole thing lol
Is ankling it the same as building muscle? I mean i know it is, but i tire out rly quick
You said balls
What tension do you have both pedals at? I find with my cheap double pedals, one is always more tight than the other. My right leg pedal is always more loose than my left leg pedal
Some drummers are stompers I think.. I used to know this drummer who had the strongest, fastest double around. And he stomped. But I use the flutter technique myself.
This is the basic movement for the toe/heal double tap technique. I bet anyone trying this will accidentally do it several times..
Hi, I need your help
send me an email: cameron@cameronfleury.com
Everyone is different brother, i dont use ankle or swivel or double stroke but use back of heal plus full leg and get upto 280 bpm, its just how i adapted. Never practiced always just played along to Nile and ORIGIN and now make my own music 🤘🤘🔥
👨🦲: not quite my tempo
I play guitar I don’t even know what I’m doing here
Au pire; on whis au début, le temps qu’il stack (vu que c’est infini 😅)
Bro that zil bel is asking for some personal space 😢
Blabba dabba dat 🤙🏻