I installed one on my T3 300WSM. It really did help with the groupings. Its now on there and never taken off. It worked for this rifle. I just leave it on. My brother-in-law laughed about it. But I just said well... its useful when you have it on there in your hunting rig. Its the same idea as bow stabilizer. Harmonics. Simms have been in that business for years.
I love how Mark squirms at every thought of having that prophylactic on his rifle. It's not even that he's worried about it shooting better, it's all about how it looks on his rifle.
Ran one on my 30 Gibbs for quite some time, then found a load the rifle really liked, took it off and have not used one since. It worked well enough, I stocked them for sale in my shop. Mark needed a carrot nose for this one.
I've had one from Limb saver for 14 years now it improved my grouping over not having it on. Mine is 1 front of stock of My Savage 110 270/30-06 Limb saver devises like this are well known in Archery
Anything that changes barrel harmonics will either positively or negatively impact groups the limbsaver works it’s not ascetically pleasing but it does work
An example: my Savage Axis in 30'06 loves 150gr and 180gr. I would prefer to use 165gr as a do it all bullet weight but 2 1/2 MOA isn't acceptable. Try the De Resonator with the 165gr.
Excellent harmonic balance between the hosts. My hunting partner has a like Limbsaver branded rubber barrel ring (it's just a ring, not this configuration) on a Savage Westher Warrior .300 WSM. He swears by it.
The instructions are very clear, if the barrel is free floated then start the limbsaver near the muzzle to start. If the barrel is not free floated then start near fore end of stock. The way I use it is I get as good a load as I can through reloading and then use the limbsaver to get a little more. I usually find it improves my 100 yard group by 25%.
There are barrel whip and there are barrel resonance. Most what people thing is resonance is whip, this wouldnt do anything for the amount of forces on the barrel. The resonance it could effect which would potentially effect follow-up shots but it would just effect changing the resonance and each barrel, thickness, material, bore, temperature will impact it. You would need to find out the resonant frequency of the barrel and adjust the ball thing accordingly, now if that will actually do anything for your accuracy. I would say no it wont. Because if it did it would come on your gun and you would see PRS matches with all of them on their barrels 15 years ago.
i put one of these on a marlin 795 that would at best shoot 0.8-1.0 @ 50 yards. after putting it on i was getting 0.4 average from 5, 5 shot groups! mind blown… and i was using cheap cci blazer ta boot. crazy…
Yes, understanding the road to greater accuracy becomes easier once you recognize the basic concept of wanting a bullet to leave the barrel once it has become stationary. Because of natural vibration, this only happens at the peaks of its sinusoidal flex. Barrel tuners allow the shooter to adjust the barrel's flex to make this event closer to ideal. It also points to why different bullet weights and powder charges create varying levels of accuracy, and why some barrels with a pressure post are more accurate than others that are free-floated. Experimenting with the torque of action screws, and especially the front screw, is based on achieving the same improvement for the same reasons.
Absolutely hilarious, informative and fun! I might as well add in my favorite quote from the movie Super Troopers "yeah, we got Bobby the baboon here in lock up and he says for 20 bananas, he can provide evidence that Johnny Chimpo is the pimp in charge of the Cartoon Network whorehouse". 😂😂
In regards to the Doniker. I would absolutely take it off for photos! That said I've never tried one but I have thought about it and may after listening to this podcast.
When you do your "wip tuner" range day, bring your high speed camera and multiple wip dampers. Cell phone set to slowmo may be a fast enough frame rate(not likely) to show the wip change, and help identify what muzzle tip behavior is most desirable.
Ryan's mug makes me think of Max Headroom... Harmonics - watch Eddie Van Halen tap the beginning of Women In Love - he's hitting notes that resonate harmonically. The guitar string is a certain length between the two ends of the guitar, and if you split it in half, at the 12th fret, you can get a harmonic reaction there - and there are other places you can see that happen along the neck. The best example I can think of is if you think of a bathtub half filled with water, with the same shape at both ends of the tub. Drop something right at the middle, and the waves will propagate to the opposing ends of the tub, and then they will reflect back towards the middle. When the reflections meet at the middle, they cross over and create a peak - there will be other waves as well, but the point here is that the point at which they cross over at the middle is a depiction of a harmonic resonance - cutting the wave at the halfway point... That's not exactly how it works, but I'm trying to paint a picture - if you pick a guitar string, it plays a note. If you put a finger lightly above that string at the 12th fret and then pick the string, it will play that note, but basically, two waves will be generated along that string, and one will go towards the bridge, and the other wave will go up the neck - and once they reach the end of their length, the wave will reflect and go back towards the middle, where they will crossover - think of it as the 0 on a sine wave - so it is technically the opposite of the tub example, but that was to paint a picture of the reflection of the wave. Now, take this harmonic resonance and apply it to a barrel - that's something that should be visible when using a high speed camera, and it makes sense that the Deresonator does its job by splitting the waves so that they bounce into each other at complimentary frequencies. When playing guitar, for example, playing two notes that don't go together can cause dissonance and can be very unpleasant to hear, but when you play complimentary notes, notes that resonate harmonically, it can sound glorious. Last point - about dissonance - if we go back to the bathtub example, dropping an item at the middle gives us harmony when the waves reflect and cross over at the middle, and they'll keep doing that over and over again, with a smooth peak at the middle. But if you drop something a little bit off to one side of the middle, the waves will reflect and then cross over at a point other than the middle, and instead of having smooth crossover at the middle peak, we end up with, over multiple oscillations of the sine wave, peaks that crash into each other at different points, not creating a nice big peak in the middle, but little peaks everywhere that fight each other, and deplete their energy because they're crashing into each other, causing breaking peaks, instead of smooth sine wave crossovers. How much of that plays into the rifle harmonics? I'm sure that's exactly what this device does, and now I am going to buy one and try it out. If you've read this far, when you go out to test this theory, take a high speed camera with you and record the rifle firing, from the side, so you can see the barrel 'wave', and see if you can figure out where to place the device - and make adjustments looking at the film - see how it affects the 'wave'.
23:03 If the exact Ammo is out of production... We would accept using the same rifle, with a variety of similar ammunitions. You've done that for the ballistic gel tests, Copper this, binded that, cup and core, etc etc. See what performance it averages over several 3 or 4 or 5 shot groups... With each ammunition type... Then add the 'device', and see if that rifle... Tightens up.
I had a Browning Stainless steel Stalker in 7mm rem mag . I could never get it to shoot a good group . It always threw the first shot 1" high and 1" to the right the next two shots would be dead on . Would have loved to have one of those .
Just a thought here after reading alot of the comments how about you buy like 10 of the donkers and line the whole outside of the barrel and see what happens love the content keep it coming
The answer to the question “does it work”, is maybe. I tried this on two different guns. I have Remington 700 in 308 and it was a 1 1/2 “gun regardless of what kind of “tuned” handload I put through it. This thing turned the gun into an under 1” guns all day. I got so jazzed I put one on my Browning Abolt 7RM which was a 1” at best. It made no difference whatsoever! I’m thinking barrel metallurgy plays a bigger part. The Remington was a later model when Remingtons reputation was suspect.
"Deresonator" is probably the wrong term - it's really a "harmonic tuner"where you're adding mass to a system to *change* its resonance point, just like anything else you attach to your barrel (brake, thread protector, sights, etc.) will. Like others mentioned it's a barrel tuner, and it's just convenient to move this tuning mass around to find the right point, and thus the right resonant frequency, for your rifle with any given ammunition. Because it's rubber, or at least rubber-coated, it also won't mar your barrel. In principle it's no different than finding the right load for your gun - when you adjust powder charge you're varying how much power is put into the system to start it oscillating (which affects frequency and where in the cycle the bullet leaves the barrel based on bullet speed), with these devices you're keeping power & bullet speed consistent and tuning the mass of the system to change the frequencies involved, and in both cases you want the bullet leaving the barrel while it's "paused" in its oscillations.
28:20 I thought there was going to be a cutaway to the range results... Hrmmm. I've been Spoiled by the cartridge ballistic gel pairings, Being available for review in the library. Drat
I had high hopes until you guys started talking about your testing philosophy and realized that if you're wineing about not having enough ammo you're definitely not going to do a scientific test to find the limits of this device.
Used these on 2 different rimfires with excellent results. There will also be a large shift in your point of impact - you can use this to your advantage. One Savage B mag .17WSM BBL in particular was chambered so poorly that it needed more scope elevation to zero than the scopes turrets allowed for. As soon as the deresonator went on there the point of impact went up by almost 9 inches and put it into a range the scope could be adjusted to. In addition, being rimfires with no hand loads it was useful to tune to different lots.
They do work to a degree but you have to fine tune it up n down till your groups tighten! All this is doing is changing the whip/node at witch your bullet exits the muzzle! This can also be done by changing bullet seating depth when you reload
I once had a long barreled Browning in 270 win and had a Browning 'compensator' installed. Results? ASTOUNDING!. Don't know a thing about the 10.00$ thing they are discussing so have no opinion. But the Browning ended up a little better than .25 MOA which is pretty much as good as I've ever been able to shoot.
Its really just a barrel tuner made of rubber….. same thing can be accomplished with a steel ring with ring with a set screw like i made. i turned it on my lathe in 20 mins and i set it with a caliper but be careful using it with harder recoiling rifles, cause it can move on you, so it is best practice to check it after every couple shots with your caliper cause it can make your gun shoot better or worse it just depends on where you put it on the barrel it is the exact same concept as erik cortina’s tuner break cause it changes the harmonics of your barrel by changing where the weight is essentially
Reminds me of a barrel tuner, Eric Cortina has a few he produces. Another TH-camr (@Gunfather Precision) did something similar with a shaft collar, 2$ barrel tuner video.
You probably was shooting different ammo than he tested it with. Thats what ima go with. Because that would bebthe only thing that would throw it off if its in the wrong place for that ammo. Especially if there's a big change in weight and speed.
I feel a little bad for Mark after getting railroaded by a couple guys with a barrel doughnut. But mostly because he should be able to save the ammo he likes for his gun thats not available anymore. That seems important to him.
I wonder if this episode will resonate with the audience
No
Depends on the vibe(ration) we pick up
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I see what you did there
HILARIOUS!! Loved every second. Nice to see these guys rib each other like my friends and I do.
Half hour on a $10 barrel deresonator is squarely on brand 👍🏻
I installed one on my T3 300WSM. It really did help with the groupings. Its now on there and never taken off. It worked for this rifle. I just leave it on. My brother-in-law laughed about it. But I just said well... its useful when you have it on there in your hunting rig. Its the same idea as bow stabilizer. Harmonics. Simms have been in that business for years.
WANT TO SEE THE TEST RESULTS "VIDEO "... 🤔🤔
I love how Mark squirms at every thought of having that prophylactic on his rifle. It's not even that he's worried about it shooting better, it's all about how it looks on his rifle.
The Monty python references are on point. “what is your favorite color conundrum?” will make an appearance at some point
I would love to see this test. Ten shot groups without it on and with it on?
This episode was just too funny!!!😂😂😂😂
Ya had me at "Doinker".....then Jim put it on, at Mark's request.....hysterical.
Ran one on my 30 Gibbs for quite some time, then found a load the rifle really liked, took it off and have not used one since. It worked well enough, I stocked them for sale in my shop. Mark needed a carrot nose for this one.
Watching Ryan loose it when Mark describe the installation made this video. Keep up the good work guys!
*lose
I've had one from Limb saver for 14 years now it improved my grouping over not having it on. Mine is 1 front of stock of My Savage 110 270/30-06 Limb saver devises like this are well known in Archery
I think this is my favorite episode so far 🤣
This has been an interesting and totally entertaining episode 😂.
I’ve never seen Mark swirm this much ever
Great results with my 2 Tikka T3's have used this product for Years !!
This was crazy good!!!
Anything that changes barrel harmonics will either positively or negatively impact groups the limbsaver works it’s not ascetically pleasing but it does work
A thumbs up just because of the intro up until the “labored drink of water”. 🤣
My dad bought one of these awhile ago for his .300 WSM and always wondered what it was called.
Link to that product?
Dude! You guys are the best and I know the older you guys get the better it’s going to get. 🤛🏼
If one works good, does 2 work better?
An example: my Savage Axis in 30'06 loves 150gr and 180gr. I would prefer to use 165gr as a do it all bullet weight but 2 1/2 MOA isn't acceptable. Try the De Resonator with the 165gr.
Hope they get around to testing it and making a video.
Thank you for the Holy Grail segment!😂😂😂😂
Love the content. Keep it up.
We need an episode on the guns of lore these three guys talk about all the time. Marks wsm, Ryan’s 300wby, and Jim’s 6.5 American.
I use a limbsaver deresonator on my Savage Axis .223. I found that it helps a bit on inexpensive rifles such as the axis.
I feel it probably works better on thinner contour barrels
Yeah, me too. The axis has a thin barrel that isn’t free floating.
We need the part 2 on this with the testing.
The fact that we are Toyota guys makes me feel right at home here!
Barrel harmonics: This device might just mirror the harmonics of minute changes in powder type and amounts.
Excellent harmonic balance between the hosts. My hunting partner has a like Limbsaver branded rubber barrel ring (it's just a ring, not this configuration) on a Savage Westher Warrior .300 WSM. He swears by it.
How much for the Ryan coffee cup? 2 box of tungsten.410 shells sound about right?
Mark and Ryan at the beginning😁
I put this product on my Savage Axis and it did help the grouping tramindasly.
The instructions are very clear, if the barrel is free floated then start the limbsaver near the muzzle to start. If the barrel is not free floated then start near fore end of stock. The way I use it is I get as good a load as I can through reloading and then use the limbsaver to get a little more. I usually find it improves my 100 yard group by 25%.
There are barrel whip and there are barrel resonance. Most what people thing is resonance is whip, this wouldnt do anything for the amount of forces on the barrel. The resonance it could effect which would potentially effect follow-up shots but it would just effect changing the resonance and each barrel, thickness, material, bore, temperature will impact it. You would need to find out the resonant frequency of the barrel and adjust the ball thing accordingly, now if that will actually do anything for your accuracy. I would say no it wont. Because if it did it would come on your gun and you would see PRS matches with all of them on their barrels 15 years ago.
Works great on my 22 cal air rifle and planning to try 1 on my 22 mag.
Even my wife was laughing and she had no idea what you were talking about
i put one of these on a marlin 795 that would at best shoot 0.8-1.0 @ 50 yards. after putting it on i was getting 0.4 average from 5, 5 shot groups! mind blown… and i was using cheap cci blazer ta boot.
crazy…
Yes, understanding the road to greater accuracy becomes easier once you recognize the basic concept of wanting a bullet to leave the barrel once it has become stationary. Because of natural vibration, this only happens at the peaks of its sinusoidal flex. Barrel tuners allow the shooter to adjust the barrel's flex to make this event closer to ideal. It also points to why different bullet weights and powder charges create varying levels of accuracy, and why some barrels with a pressure post are more accurate than others that are free-floated. Experimenting with the torque of action screws, and especially the front screw, is based on achieving the same improvement for the same reasons.
Tuners don’t work. They’re BS
TOONING
Call me immature, but best podcast ever
Shoot a lightweight rifle with crappy ammo in test and then shoot a heavy barrel hunting rifle to test. They make deresonators for both barrel types
Want to see the results of the test.
Can’t wait to see the test
13:38 I wanna work at Vortex too 🙁 Y’all need an InfoSec/Network/IT Engineer?
Would this work on a #6 contour barrel? For $10 it’s worth a shot.
Doesnt work on any barrel.
@@DuckersAI I’ll try it out and let you know.
@@albundy7459just admit you don't understand statistics
Absolutely hilarious, informative and fun!
I might as well add in my favorite quote from the movie Super Troopers "yeah, we got Bobby the baboon here in lock up and he says for 20 bananas, he can provide evidence that Johnny Chimpo is the pimp in charge of the Cartoon Network whorehouse".
😂😂
I tune barrels with bedding changes and was going to get one for convenience. With buddy jokes, no way!
In regards to the Doniker. I would absolutely take it off for photos!
That said I've never tried one but I have thought about it and may after listening to this podcast.
And i found it oline and will order soon 😊 thanks guys for the cheap new product to play around with and making me laugh 😂. Great paodcast.
When you do your "wip tuner" range day, bring your high speed camera and multiple wip dampers.
Cell phone set to slowmo may be a fast enough frame rate(not likely) to show the wip change, and help identify what muzzle tip behavior is most desirable.
Can I suggest you make a similar piece of kit and market it as The Dionker.
Ryan's mug makes me think of Max Headroom... Harmonics - watch Eddie Van Halen tap the beginning of Women In Love - he's hitting notes that resonate harmonically. The guitar string is a certain length between the two ends of the guitar, and if you split it in half, at the 12th fret, you can get a harmonic reaction there - and there are other places you can see that happen along the neck. The best example I can think of is if you think of a bathtub half filled with water, with the same shape at both ends of the tub. Drop something right at the middle, and the waves will propagate to the opposing ends of the tub, and then they will reflect back towards the middle. When the reflections meet at the middle, they cross over and create a peak - there will be other waves as well, but the point here is that the point at which they cross over at the middle is a depiction of a harmonic resonance - cutting the wave at the halfway point... That's not exactly how it works, but I'm trying to paint a picture - if you pick a guitar string, it plays a note. If you put a finger lightly above that string at the 12th fret and then pick the string, it will play that note, but basically, two waves will be generated along that string, and one will go towards the bridge, and the other wave will go up the neck - and once they reach the end of their length, the wave will reflect and go back towards the middle, where they will crossover - think of it as the 0 on a sine wave - so it is technically the opposite of the tub example, but that was to paint a picture of the reflection of the wave. Now, take this harmonic resonance and apply it to a barrel - that's something that should be visible when using a high speed camera, and it makes sense that the Deresonator does its job by splitting the waves so that they bounce into each other at complimentary frequencies. When playing guitar, for example, playing two notes that don't go together can cause dissonance and can be very unpleasant to hear, but when you play complimentary notes, notes that resonate harmonically, it can sound glorious. Last point - about dissonance - if we go back to the bathtub example, dropping an item at the middle gives us harmony when the waves reflect and cross over at the middle, and they'll keep doing that over and over again, with a smooth peak at the middle. But if you drop something a little bit off to one side of the middle, the waves will reflect and then cross over at a point other than the middle, and instead of having smooth crossover at the middle peak, we end up with, over multiple oscillations of the sine wave, peaks that crash into each other at different points, not creating a nice big peak in the middle, but little peaks everywhere that fight each other, and deplete their energy because they're crashing into each other, causing breaking peaks, instead of smooth sine wave crossovers. How much of that plays into the rifle harmonics? I'm sure that's exactly what this device does, and now I am going to buy one and try it out. If you've read this far, when you go out to test this theory, take a high speed camera with you and record the rifle firing, from the side, so you can see the barrel 'wave', and see if you can figure out where to place the device - and make adjustments looking at the film - see how it affects the 'wave'.
You had me at EVH Women in love!
Anyone who says that on a rifle comment section is the smartest guy in the room. 🤘
Try pushing that grommet down into the forestock , maybe it'll secure that barrel a little more so it's not flapping in the wind .
23:03
If the exact Ammo is out of production...
We would accept using the same rifle, with a variety of similar ammunitions. You've done that for the ballistic gel tests,
Copper this, binded that, cup and core, etc etc.
See what performance it averages over several 3 or 4 or 5 shot groups... With each ammunition type...
Then add the 'device', and see if that rifle... Tightens up.
He said, she said....😂😂😂😂
Dilly-Doinker! Doink! Doink! Doink!
Testing...he we come! Targets await the tests! Methods will be explained! Part 2 is going to reveal the truth! Or will it!?
I would like to see some video with the Tikka and a Limbsaver barrel resonator on. Just to see. Not just you 3 yammering on for a half hour lol
Thank you Vortex
Oh no! You guy's didn't revisit this? We gotta have it! 😅
I had a Browning Stainless steel Stalker in 7mm rem mag . I could never get it to shoot a good group . It always threw the first shot 1" high and 1" to the right the next two shots would be dead on . Would have loved to have one of those .
It's a awesome product. Works on my axis 308.
That’s a dampener from a beestinger bow stabilizer!
These were around long before the "beestinger". But you are correct it's the basically the same thing.
Just a thought here after reading alot of the comments how about you buy like 10 of the donkers and line the whole outside of the barrel and see what happens love the content keep it coming
The answer to the question “does it work”, is maybe. I tried this on two different guns. I have Remington 700 in 308 and it was a 1 1/2 “gun regardless of what kind of “tuned” handload I put through it. This thing turned the gun into an under 1” guns all day. I got so jazzed I put one on my Browning Abolt 7RM which was a 1” at best. It made no difference whatsoever! I’m thinking barrel metallurgy plays a bigger part. The Remington was a later model when Remingtons reputation was suspect.
No it doesn't, you just don't understand statistics
Nice one,you gave it a good go this time. I’d be interested to see if you can make a fair test, without collapsing with laughter.
Can it hurt accuracy?
Yes but it could also help. In theory it could also have no noticeable impact. I think it’s worth a shot
24:34
Jim.
Oh no mark, every rifle I own, shoots real. Nice right now.
Borat might say
Verrry Niice
"Deresonator" is probably the wrong term - it's really a "harmonic tuner"where you're adding mass to a system to *change* its resonance point, just like anything else you attach to your barrel (brake, thread protector, sights, etc.) will. Like others mentioned it's a barrel tuner, and it's just convenient to move this tuning mass around to find the right point, and thus the right resonant frequency, for your rifle with any given ammunition. Because it's rubber, or at least rubber-coated, it also won't mar your barrel.
In principle it's no different than finding the right load for your gun - when you adjust powder charge you're varying how much power is put into the system to start it oscillating (which affects frequency and where in the cycle the bullet leaves the barrel based on bullet speed), with these devices you're keeping power & bullet speed consistent and tuning the mass of the system to change the frequencies involved, and in both cases you want the bullet leaving the barrel while it's "paused" in its oscillations.
If your barrel is free floated, the Doinker is supposed to be installed at the muzzle end.
28:20
I thought there was going to be a cutaway to the range results... Hrmmm.
I've been Spoiled by the cartridge ballistic gel pairings,
Being available for review in the library.
Drat
I had high hopes until you guys started talking about your testing philosophy and realized that if you're wineing about not having enough ammo you're definitely not going to do a scientific test to find the limits of this device.
Used these on 2 different rimfires with excellent results. There will also be a large shift in your point of impact - you can use this to your advantage. One Savage B mag .17WSM BBL in particular was chambered so poorly that it needed more scope elevation to zero than the scopes turrets allowed for. As soon as the deresonator went on there the point of impact went up by almost 9 inches and put it into a range the scope could be adjusted to. In addition, being rimfires with no hand loads it was useful to tune to different lots.
You should do the 300wsm or a 30-06 with 180grn bullets
Great stuff
WHENS THE TEST?
Corrected title:
“Mark gets roasted for alternate reality relating to barrel dingus” 😂
I seem to think the one I use to have was branded by LimbSaver
They do work to a degree but you have to fine tune it up n down till your groups tighten! All this is doing is changing the whip/node at witch your bullet exits the muzzle! This can also be done by changing bullet seating depth when you reload
If you don't reload, for a myriad of reasons, this will do the job in a fraction of the time and money.
1:11 Giggity
Can we get a podcast on watches and their role for hunters or shooters?
They tell time of day. That's their role.
If you guys want to talk about another unique cartrige that not many people talks about, the 8x56r is a good one or 7.7 Japanese
HE DOES IT ON THE BROWNING IN QUESTION
How many times do i have to comment to see it happen?
I once had a long barreled Browning in 270 win and had a Browning 'compensator' installed. Results? ASTOUNDING!. Don't know a thing about the 10.00$ thing they are discussing so have no opinion. But the Browning ended up a little better than .25 MOA which is pretty much as good as I've ever been able to shoot.
Its really just a barrel tuner made of rubber….. same thing can be accomplished with a steel ring with ring with a set screw like i made. i turned it on my lathe in 20 mins and i set it with a caliper but be careful using it with harder recoiling rifles, cause it can move on you, so it is best practice to check it after every couple shots with your caliper cause it can make your gun shoot better or worse it just depends on where you put it on the barrel it is the exact same concept as erik cortina’s tuner break cause it changes the harmonics of your barrel by changing where the weight is essentially
Confirmed, Mark hates this device as well
If you do the test, it should be a factory rifle, unmodified.
Lol, I thought Ryan was going to lose it!
Reminds me of a barrel tuner, Eric Cortina has a few he produces. Another TH-camr (@Gunfather Precision) did something similar with a shaft collar, 2$ barrel tuner video.
You probably was shooting different ammo than he tested it with. Thats what ima go with. Because that would bebthe only thing that would throw it off if its in the wrong place for that ammo. Especially if there's a big change in weight and speed.
They are funny and intellectual at the same time.😅
The “Doinker”. Go with it. Make it the official name for the device. Embrace the strangeness. Does look silly, but works.
A doinker is already a thing. They make stabilizers for archery. The Doinker even looks similar.
Enjoyed seeing how uncomfortable Mark was during this discussion.
When you buy one at midway USA you get a free dental dam
I feel a little bad for Mark after getting railroaded by a couple guys with a barrel doughnut. But mostly because he should be able to save the ammo he likes for his gun thats not available anymore. That seems important to him.