Mapping really has come a long way, and watching videos of Arrival and original Doom back to back makes it more obvious. Verticality was underused in the original levels, and this map looks almost like a Wolf3d map with different textures. But to be fair they didn't have that much time to explore what could be done with the engine. D2 already has more varied elevation, though it didn't always make the maps more fun.
This is one of the first levels Tom Hall ever made for the game, at a time they were still figuring out how the new engine worked. In fact, Tom never did much work on it, and what you see in the final game is pretty much an unfinished rough draft with some monster placement made by Sandy Petersen, but an unfinished draft of a level nonetheless.
And it's when we remember Doom was built to run on a 386 33mhz cpu with 4 megabytes of ram and no 3d graphics card!!! Crazy to think how the hell they made it work!
Of course it looks like a Wolf3D map, this is a legacy map with the barest sprucing up. Hell, it was mostly made by Tom Hall, who left id _early_ in Doom's production.
Oh look it's the map with the intermission music and that strange valve texture. Good job on the 100% Nightmare! run. It's very fun to watch you plow through it.
Respawning Turbo Pinkys are absolutely terrifying. At least when an Archie gets all up in your face you know he doesn't have a melee attack and all you have to do is break LOS. When a Revenant gets in your face... well... they are too comical to be "scary" in any sense. But a Turbo Pinky??? Fuuuuuuuuudge that noise!
Dev1: "Hey, Dev2. What music track should we use for this level?" Dev2: "Just use the mission complete track. That won't get annoying at all!" Dev1: "Great idea!"
Hiya Decino. I've been going through your DOOM playthroughs one by one. Your skill is amazing! Thanks for posting these! I especially use your videos to find secrets, because I'm bad at those myself. Have you considered playing through with Brutal Doom: Black Edition? It's almost like a different game altogether! Familiar maps, but quite different, exciting, and challenging gameplay! I for one would love to see your Nightmare! busting skills plow through Brutal Doom: Black Edition as well!! Regardless, keep up the great work!! 👍
I... You know what? Wow. Not because you slayed that level, but because I COMPLETELY forgot that the backpack in the nukage was what that secret is SUPPOSED to be. I played GBA Doom 1 and always recognized this as the early BFG level because of that. Man what a weird port.
What a play through!😀 I'm so loving this series, it's the perfect tribute to DooM's birthday. You're doing a terrific job decino. I'm so looking forward to seeing you play Deimos Lab.🙂💛
Nice job, always impressive to see a first try run. I'd imagine most people don't think of the Plasma Rifle as being so OP in Nightmare due normally having a lack of ammo, but that 700 RPM fire rate can save your bacon on Nightmare due to the double ammo. I certainly didn't think about it.
Fun fact, decino's clear time for this level is the *_exact_* same as Zero Master's total clear time for for the episode at the completion of this level! (ZeroMaster's not getting 100% items, but still great watching both simultaneously!)
E2M6 from ITYTD to UV is not tough, only if you get stuck by a pinky. But on nightmare, in the tight corridors with respawning enemies... Looking forward to it.
On NM, this level actually becomes pretty fun, especially that “optional area” next to the start. This video does a great job of capturing the experience - an unpracticed decino is kind of like us mortals… after practice It’s also great training for the novice NM player (like this guy 👈)
Love it at times when the intermission themes get played for the proper levels. And I strangely appreciate it when Partial Invisibility is grudgingly accepted. Kinda like how a DCAU fan can actually praise weak episodes like "I've Got Batman in My Basement".
Playing NERF made you so calm on Nightmare, I mean no panic moves, like you always know, how monsters will act and how to dodge their attacks and also you've gained self-confidence. That's incredible 2:03 Do I really want to go there?? haha
4:30 I'm not sure how many of Hall's items made it into the final release, because he left four months before release and a lot of things weren't in the game yet, and the ones that were included a lot of things like Wolfenstein-style score collectibles and Doom Bible plot-based key alternatives like the Colonel's Hand.
Nice run decino short and sweet. Would you say the best tactic for nightmare is to only engage in combat if necessary and of course if your going for max kills then racking that up untill you hit the demon count because so far it's actually looking really easy in the base game saying that I do need to remember that my own skill is far better now I really need to have more confidence in my ability in all honesty anyway as always Cheers for upload decino.
I guess this map in Nightmare Mode is okay sometimes. 🤔But the next map however might be more of a pain so I do want to see how that's played out for ya. In the mean time great job on beating this with 100% items. Many more to come. 🙂
The thing that always bugged me about Doom level design is that levels don't really represent anything. They are named after potential space base places, but the inside of the level is some generic corridor stuff without any resemblance to the thing they are naming
hey decino, you know what? you gave me a heart on one of my comments the other day and youtube mailed the info to me. i never deleted the notification. it lightens me up everytime i see it in my mailbox. =D
Seeing you skip completely the Baron made me think about a way to meet the challenge even spicier: kill each different enemy at least once regardless of kill%. Not asking you to do it or anything of the sort, but just imagine doing that and how the difficulty would escalate
You have to remember that the default control scheme was arrows, < >, spacebar, ctrl. Nobody was good enough to circle-strafe twenty nightmare projectiles
A part of me hates this map, and I know it's considered a stinker, but at the same time there's something charming about it. Maybe it's the fact that they shipped it in such an obviously unfinished state. In fact, MOST of Tom Hall's maps (namely E2M3, E2M4, E2M7, E3M3, E3M7) were left clearly unfinished like this, and I can only wonder if it's because they were running out of time for release and since they needed more levels, they just decided those rough drafts of his were serviceable enough and threw them in. For whatever reason, that's why E2 has always been my favorite, despite it generally being considered low quality.
My bellyache about id losing Tom Hall was that it was about differences in design philosophy. Hall had a different idea (as can be read in the Doom Bible, seriously interesting document for Doom aficionados), but still a valid one.
2:33 - "[…] run past the Baron…" 4:18 - "And, I got all the- well… I got 100% of the kills. _Interesting!"_ Well… when you said you'd get "100% of the kills", you never specifically said that you'd be killing _every enemy at least once._ So… still technically 100% kills. _Technically…_
Strange, this video wasn't showing up on my subscription page. So I went to your channel and found it, then refreshed my sub page and it popped there too (in between other videos). Says uploaded 40 minutes ago, shouldn't be a timing issue. Huh.
As you said Tom Hall used to spread items randomly through the beta levels, and as you've looked quite deeply at the Doom source code in the past, do you know if there used to be any plans on giving items points values as in Wolfenstein 3D at some point in development?
@@DinnerForkTongue I didn't assert this was the case, just asking whether decino who has experience looking into the source code had seen anything indicating reasons for these items to be using in such a manner, especially since Id had a score based system in previous games. As for alfa and beta, I'd have no idea, sounded like decino said this was a level made for the beta in the video.
I was just as confused as decino was at the start of the map. Def not one of my favorite maps for sure and it could have used it's own level midi rather than the intermission on loop.
Well he did in the UV-Fast video years ago :P must have been in too much of a rush here and it's not really viable to kill the cacos just to get a peek
First non-boss Baron of the game. And a pretty unusual music choice too - for a few seconds it made me think the game was bugged, back in the day.
That transition from the intermission music playing in the level to the intermission music kicking in at the exit was almost seamless.
Very nicely done. I'm actually looking forward to E2M6: Halls of the Damned.
Hey 100% items guy!!
Halls of the Scammed
That one gon' be tough.
Man, with how fast Decino goes through these levels, you can see how refined he is at the game--knowing it like the back of his hand.
Zero Master: 🤨
@@gunzblazin6860 You know they can both be good, right?
@@SimBol1216 funny enough they both made videos with doom on nightmare difficulty recently
No joke. I've been replaying OG Doom (to get to Sigil) on non-fast UV, and man am I feeling like a tourist compared to decino.
I wanna give your comment a 👍but its at 69 right now so I can't
Love this playthough, nightmare feels like the canon difficulty, i can imagine doom guy killing demons all day long with no end to them in sight
"No End in Sight"
1:04 Bro, I can't stop watching the zombie shooting at the wall
Mapping really has come a long way, and watching videos of Arrival and original Doom back to back makes it more obvious. Verticality was underused in the original levels, and this map looks almost like a Wolf3d map with different textures. But to be fair they didn't have that much time to explore what could be done with the engine. D2 already has more varied elevation, though it didn't always make the maps more fun.
This is one of the first levels Tom Hall ever made for the game, at a time they were still figuring out how the new engine worked. In fact, Tom never did much work on it, and what you see in the final game is pretty much an unfinished rough draft with some monster placement made by Sandy Petersen, but an unfinished draft of a level nonetheless.
And it's when we remember Doom was built to run on a 386 33mhz cpu with 4 megabytes of ram and no 3d graphics card!!! Crazy to think how the hell they made it work!
Of course it looks like a Wolf3D map, this is a legacy map with the barest sprucing up. Hell, it was mostly made by Tom Hall, who left id _early_ in Doom's production.
Oh look it's the map with the intermission music and that strange valve texture. Good job on the 100% Nightmare! run. It's very fun to watch you plow through it.
That was straight up incredible, with no previous practice. You've got a good memory there ducino!
The transition to shotgun from plasma gun while the music exactly changes the guitar to the hi hat was delightful 2:25
Respawning Turbo Pinkys are absolutely terrifying. At least when an Archie gets all up in your face you know he doesn't have a melee attack and all you have to do is break LOS. When a Revenant gets in your face... well... they are too comical to be "scary" in any sense.
But a Turbo Pinky??? Fuuuuuuuuudge that noise!
Dev1: "Hey, Dev2. What music track should we use for this level?"
Dev2: "Just use the mission complete track. That won't get annoying at all!"
Dev1: "Great idea!"
Especially baffling since there were lots of unused tracks that Bobby "composed".
Absolute gigachad. This is why this level slaps
I think this might actually be more fun on Nightmare than UV, just cause of the extra plasma ammo and not having to kill the baron.
Also the faster pace all around. Good map or bad, it's always exciting.
Hiya Decino. I've been going through your DOOM playthroughs one by one. Your skill is amazing! Thanks for posting these! I especially use your videos to find secrets, because I'm bad at those myself.
Have you considered playing through with Brutal Doom: Black Edition? It's almost like a different game altogether! Familiar maps, but quite different, exciting, and challenging gameplay!
I for one would love to see your Nightmare! busting skills plow through Brutal Doom: Black Edition as well!!
Regardless, keep up the great work!! 👍
Ashamed to say that I forgot most of the maps.
Also you're on a roll with 100%s
Keep it going
I... You know what? Wow. Not because you slayed that level, but because I COMPLETELY forgot that the backpack in the nukage was what that secret is SUPPOSED to be. I played GBA Doom 1 and always recognized this as the early BFG level because of that. Man what a weird port.
0:57 imagine how nice it would be if it was *full* invisibility
That would be awesome
In GZDoom on default compatibility settings, partial invis acts like the Ring of Shadows from Quake.
@@NerfPlayeR135 it’s ring of shadows
@@iguana9173 Fixed.
What a play through!😀 I'm so loving this series, it's the perfect tribute to DooM's birthday. You're doing a terrific job decino. I'm so looking forward to seeing you play Deimos Lab.🙂💛
1:56 all these years I didn’t know that door was a secret area.
It gives you the choice of going back without wading through nukage.
Just a shortcut it shouldnt be labeled a secret
@@worsethanhitlerpt.2539 it's a secret short-cut :D
Nice job, always impressive to see a first try run. I'd imagine most people don't think of the Plasma Rifle as being so OP in Nightmare due normally having a lack of ammo, but that 700 RPM fire rate can save your bacon on Nightmare due to the double ammo. I certainly didn't think about it.
its great that this map gave us the full version of the end screen theme! also loving the videos man!
The best thing about E2M3 is the fact that E2M4 follows.
Fun fact, decino's clear time for this level is the *_exact_* same as Zero Master's total clear time for for the episode at the completion of this level! (ZeroMaster's not getting 100% items, but still great watching both simultaneously!)
ZM is just built different. Tenacious mofo right there, obsessed with improving his goals and doubling his criteria.
E2M6 from ITYTD to UV is not tough, only if you get stuck by a pinky. But on nightmare, in the tight corridors with respawning enemies... Looking forward to it.
Tight corridors, low visibility, respawning beef gates, and problematic weapon availability. E2M6 has it all to be a ballache.
On NM, this level actually becomes pretty fun, especially that “optional area” next to the start. This video does a great job of capturing the experience - an unpracticed decino is kind of like us mortals… after practice
It’s also great training for the novice NM player (like this guy 👈)
lol, the intermission music restarting when you exited was pretty smooth
You did that with impressive speed. For a while there, I thought there might be more items in that shadowed pillar area. Hope the next one's a sinch.
Love it at times when the intermission themes get played for the proper levels.
And I strangely appreciate it when Partial Invisibility is grudgingly accepted. Kinda like how a DCAU fan can actually praise weak episodes like "I've Got Batman in My Basement".
Playing NERF made you so calm on Nightmare, I mean no panic moves, like you always know, how monsters will act and how to dodge their attacks and also you've gained self-confidence. That's incredible
2:03 Do I really want to go there?? haha
NERF is an outstanding entryway (heh) to playing on Nightmare for the uninitiated.
One thing I remember about this level specifically was accidentally finding all the secrets when I just wanted to finish the level
4:30 I'm not sure how many of Hall's items made it into the final release, because he left four months before release and a lot of things weren't in the game yet, and the ones that were included a lot of things like Wolfenstein-style score collectibles and Doom Bible plot-based key alternatives like the Colonel's Hand.
Im impressed. Good job :D
It's almost as if this series has inspired Zero Master as he seems to be destroying NM100S Episodes in like 8-10 minutes.
WHOA WHOA WHOA i just commented on your video 2 days ALREADY? YOU ALREADY MADE A VIDEO. Dude you are awsome.
My brain is still in wtf just happened mode after watching 😄
Very well played, obviously!
The pinkies are freakishly fast on nightmare!
The pinkies on nightmare crack me up. It's like a little kid on sugar. They are so damn fast!
this level be like:
DUT-DUT-DUT-*presses spacebar*
DUT-DUT-DUT
Damn, you're blazing through these maps
this is a good lookin WAD, the designers did a good job with it.
hope they get recognition and find jobs in the industry.
You ran away from Baron!
Between you and Zero Master, I’m getting nothing done👌❤️🍻
Nice run decino short and sweet.
Would you say the best tactic for nightmare is to only engage in combat if necessary and of course if your going for max kills then racking that up untill you hit the demon count because so far it's actually looking really easy in the base game saying that I do need to remember that my own skill is far better now I really need to have more confidence in my ability in all honesty anyway as always Cheers for upload decino.
"Actually partial invisibility is quite useful." - decino, 2023.
ah this map. such a smooth continuation to e2m2. tho it always felt claustrophobic as hell
I guess this map in Nightmare Mode is okay sometimes. 🤔But the next map however might be more of a pain so I do want to see how that's played out for ya. In the mean time great job on beating this with 100% items. Many more to come. 🙂
Nicely done
I think this job does a great job of making a cool end-of-level song really repetitive and grating. The actual level itself is pretty okay.
Hearing it three times in a row...
I'm constantly thinking to myself what music I can replace the map's music with.
The thing that always bugged me about Doom level design is that levels don't really represent anything. They are named after potential space base places, but the inside of the level is some generic corridor stuff without any resemblance to the thing they are naming
hey decino, you know what? you gave me a heart on one of my comments the other day and youtube mailed the info to me. i never deleted the notification. it lightens me up everytime i see it in my mailbox. =D
Here's another one then!
@@decino jey ! =D
Decino is getting to powerful. This map is the prove of it. That's impressive
Decino went full Romero and made E2M3 his Bitch. Damn!
1:04 Very nice shot
Another fine run. Just breezing through.
Seeing you skip completely the Baron made me think about a way to meet the challenge even spicier: kill each different enemy at least once regardless of kill%. Not asking you to do it or anything of the sort, but just imagine doing that and how the difficulty would escalate
Ah, the plasma gun! A weapon of more refined era... Well, at least, they used to keep them in refinery.
The preview made me think of Hellbound map19 (which is a homage to episode 2 itself)
A four minute long rung where an item is both ass and kind of useful. The one item in doom that is cursed to always ass and useful.
It's amazing how polarizing, and polarized, it is.
You have to remember that the default control scheme was arrows, < >, spacebar, ctrl. Nobody was good enough to circle-strafe twenty nightmare projectiles
That went very well.
Amazing!
Also this map had the secret exit on the snes version of doom. It was behind that megasphere at the end
A part of me hates this map, and I know it's considered a stinker, but at the same time there's something charming about it. Maybe it's the fact that they shipped it in such an obviously unfinished state. In fact, MOST of Tom Hall's maps (namely E2M3, E2M4, E2M7, E3M3, E3M7) were left clearly unfinished like this, and I can only wonder if it's because they were running out of time for release and since they needed more levels, they just decided those rough drafts of his were serviceable enough and threw them in. For whatever reason, that's why E2 has always been my favorite, despite it generally being considered low quality.
My bellyache about id losing Tom Hall was that it was about differences in design philosophy. Hall had a different idea (as can be read in the Doom Bible, seriously interesting document for Doom aficionados), but still a valid one.
laziest music choice in all of the doom games :D
Still love the intermission music ❤
Not too bad at all 👏
The ultimate doom for the ultimate doom player
First try success! You are doing well on Nightmare! so far Decino! I hope I didn't jinx it. 😁😁😁
2:03 "Nooope, don't want none of that! 😅"
This one's so confusing but was fun playing it in repeat
Ah Refinery. Or "The Level Where The Level Transition Music Is The Level Music"
Fly by the seat of your pants. Epic shooting skills.
best episode 2 map, and the better music
2:33 - "[…] run past the Baron…"
4:18 - "And, I got all the- well… I got 100% of the kills. _Interesting!"_
Well… when you said you'd get "100% of the kills", you never specifically said that you'd be killing _every enemy at least once._ So… still technically 100% kills. _Technically…_
This is fun map, damm those pinkies
Stunning... You are The Doomer... (Player :P)
algorithm-pleasing comment for optimal channel growth
Looks like doomguy is on drugs
What speed. Impressive
😂👍
Good job
Man you make these look easy.
Finally!
Strange, this video wasn't showing up on my subscription page. So I went to your channel and found it, then refreshed my sub page and it popped there too (in between other videos). Says uploaded 40 minutes ago, shouldn't be a timing issue. Huh.
3:53 We've all done that. There's no shame in it.
On to the next one.
You should tag zero master for SEO. He has been putting out NM playthroughs too.
0:56 Item number one is ASS?! That’s quite the power-up!
intermission music is actually quite good as battle music.
Those Pinky's really have the runs on nightmare.
Very clean, very clean. And not even practiced!
1:04 what was this zombieman shooting at? He just kinda shot the wall. I didn't think that partial invisibility influenced their aim THAT much.
It does.
Huh didn't know there was a secret super charge and rad suit in this level. The more you know I guess
You had the berzerk and got ouched trying to stunlock w the chain gun
As you said Tom Hall used to spread items randomly through the beta levels, and as you've looked quite deeply at the Doom source code in the past, do you know if there used to be any plans on giving items points values as in Wolfenstein 3D at some point in development?
Beta? For real? This strikes me as late alpha cutting-room-floor content, where things are still somewhat primitive and unfocused.
@@DinnerForkTongue I didn't assert this was the case, just asking whether decino who has experience looking into the source code had seen anything indicating reasons for these items to be using in such a manner, especially since Id had a score based system in previous games. As for alfa and beta, I'd have no idea, sounded like decino said this was a level made for the beta in the video.
This track fits with the frenetic gameplay. Maybe you should volume up in next level!
Why do you have the ZDoom secret sound now?
Because I switched over to DSDA-Doom this year which uses that sound.
I was just as confused as decino was at the start of the map. Def not one of my favorite maps for sure and it could have used it's own level midi rather than the intermission on loop.
nice one, not sure when is luck and when skill xd
So just finished playing Doom revolution. Not too difficult, around 30ish maps, thought I'd toss it out there and see if it may spark your interest
Why is the music in this level from the results screen? That isn't the original music for this map is it?
They either 1) ran out of music to use 2) thought it sounded cool or 3) simply didn't give it any thought whatsoever.
those moves at the start tho
Very weird hearing the level music sound so similar to the intermission music.
Weird, you're not going to mention the weird pipe texture in the Cacodemon cage in the beginning?
Well he did in the UV-Fast video years ago :P must have been in too much of a rush here and it's not really viable to kill the cacos just to get a peek
Looks like we need to mod in a tougher difficulty setting for Decino
Next, you should do this with project brutality