These are the people that tell their friends about how great of a driver they are and they fill the comments sections of videos offering horrible driving advice.
@@Rusiputki FWD is safer for everyday driving, it's backed up by numbers. It's easier to correct under steer than over steer, and you get more grip when it's wet or snows. RWD is great when you want to go fast. :) Also, this video has many RWD cars, Mustangs, BMW's, and Mercs. Under steer is not limited to FWD.
Lesson number 1 don't get an Audi, lesson number 2 don't get a VW, lesson number 3 don't get a Seat, lesson 4 don't get a Skoda, lesson 5 don't get a Bentley, lesson.....
@@RicardoReview these are people who buy cars for the horsepower figure and dont care about the car's weight or cornering ability... and they get surprised when they cant take a corner faster than a shitbox
@@thug_lifevideostv4199 it was actually Bosch who developed ESP, it was Mercedes was just the first who built in a car. to be precise Anton van Zanten was the inventor of ESP
@@ejune98 actually you were denying it... I quote from you... "too much entry speed to be precise my friend"... That is a statement that what I said was totally wrong 🤣🤣🤣... But its OK i understand that you are not an experienced driver
@Nigel Smith I think you have no experience at all on the other hand 🤣 if you ever tried driving on a track at all, you always experience slight understeer and oversteer when trying to push your limits and simplifying it all on "skill issues" lol that says all
Not that hard to achieve with bad technique, rear wheel drive understeers on entry and oversteers on exit. These days rear wheel drive cars come with very understeering focused setups so that they're "safer" for a broader group of drivers
Most rwd cars are aligned and have geometry designed to make them understeer before they oversteer. Reason is the average driver is most likely able to save understeer than oversteer. For example on BMW they come with no camber in the front, and since when turning your outside wheel always gains positive camber, that means your outside wheel has very bad contact patch when turning, leading to understeer. Most people tracking them change that, it makes the car much faster because you're no longer limited by that understeer, but now the car is more oversteery and doesn't warn you like an understeery car would. Plus no matter your alignment, no matter the setup, no matter if it's FWD, AWD or RWD, when you're going too quick in a corner the most likely thing to happen is understeer, you reach such a point where your car simply cannot turn that tight at that speed, so understeer happens before anything else, it's a corner entry thing, like the other guy said, oversteer mostly happens on corner exit, and understeer mostly in entry. Oversteer can also happen in entry for example if you have a car that gets light in the rear under braking, but that's a special case.
@Ивелин Добрев Owned a 2017 Leon FR 180HP DSG with full options. Nothing but problems + under steer And please don't say a seat is not high class, because they are basically the same cars besides plastics and interior insulation. Also, reliability reports say it all so dont try to argue 😉 VAG's are just cheap POS's now. Porches are OKAY But VW, Audi, Skoda & Seat are pure garbage like most german vehicles :) BTW why are you saying that this comment has been written by someone who drives an italian or french cars? I dont drive either of them but i DO know that theh handle amazingly and much better than german ones :)
most of these ppl have never felt their rear axle do anything other than being an attachment like a mirror, the swiss audi with "audi sport" written on the rear side window at 2:40 is my highlight 😂
I was wondering let’s take the example of 2:55, how bad is it for the car. Is it hurting the drivetrain ? The steering ? (How bad does going to the grass add the the damage if any) I question because I have a 2cv Citroen, old car like this have tiny wheel and « lean ? » (goes to the side in corners, sorry my English) and I feel like the wheels are going to break because of the car wanting to go forward and the wheels being to the side (ofc I don’t have THAT much under steer, if even any because I drove slowly) but I wonder if I could break the steering thing or i don’t know what ? Thanks for your time if responding ;)
Your 2cv has much slimmer tyres and a very simple but effective suspension system. I'd imagine if you tried this you'd either end up on your roof or break the outer wheel straight off the car.
On a modern car tyres take the worst of the struggle, tie rod end, bushings, shock absorbers and springs can take a bit of a beating but they will break eventually. Problem is most tracks are small but by the time you get round the 'Ring at full soeed everything is hot and over worked. That's why so many people modify their cars for going there. For example gas shocks don't go frothy inside like normal oil shocks due to a membrane.
Anyone else noticing how well the golfs handle this turn, when comparing the speed they enter the turn with another cars, or is it just me? I havent driven rwd except an old clk for a few months. Since then i drive fwd (peugeot) due to the amount of cash you save from dieesel.. but i never stopped dreaming that clk and the rwd. Now i consider getting a gti or some other rwd for enjoyment, so any advice from owners of 2015 or later rwd/awd budget speedy cars will be appreciated :) for example octavia rs, the gti, etc..
Lieber ein bisschen mehr vor der Kurve bremsen, das Auto langsam an die Grenzen führen und nicht direkt über die Grenzen hinaus. Ich denke auch, bevor da wirklich 100% gegeben wird, sollte die Strecke halbwegs bekannt sein
Ich denke, viele der Fahrer in dem Video wissen auch einfach gar nicht, wie sie Untersteuern durch ihre Linie beeinflussen können. Kombiniert mit den Punkten, die du genannt hast, ist dann das Ergebnis dementsprechend das Rumgequietsche und Gerutsche im Video
But I slammed my car to the ground and fitted the lowest China tyres I could afford, just like the Internet said I should, because Stance equals lower CG equals road holding. How come I still have understeer? Is the internet ignorant? That can't be...
understeered straight through the S onto the grass at 140kph (after braking) on a ford focus rs mk1 which understeered quit a bit (that's all it did) but to be fair this saved my life and car more than once, very easy car to understand no nasty surprises, btw that day was the end of gran turismo gaming for me I learned that no you do not 180° everytime you touch the border of a race track ,talk about "a simulation" >
All these cars need varying levels of stiffer rear stabilizer bars to increase turn in and front bite. However the Auto manufacturers want "safe and predictable handling" and proceed to build cars with varying levels of front slide at limit of traction. I say garbage can those factory rear stabilizer bars and put a stiffer adjustable bar with solid bushings and tune out that Dangerous Understeer so the cars will stay on the road.
the understeer in the video was induced by bad driving: too much speed in the corner, bad entry angle and too much steering input (but mostly too much speed). if you would increase the amount of oversteer that would just lead to a lot of crashes. understeer is not dangerous compared to oversteer. so its good the way it is. if you want best performance, then yes upgrade sway bars, however that is only advisable for experienced drivers
@@Sandro3.2Give the controlling of the vehicles to the ones behind the wheel not the people engineering the things on the first place. This is why any tow yard you go to, mostly every car that's been wrecked is on the front. If you have ever driven a front wheel drive or all wheel drive past its limit, and then driven a similarly prepped car with a decent stabilizer bar at the same place, then you well know how much more control you have over where the car goes. To many keyboard geniuses with no factual experience. Understeer is the enemy not your friend. Once you finally understand that, then you will know what i mean. Anyone can speak about anything, however the truth or lack thereof will be obvious to those who have the experience to know for themselves. As a licensed SCCA Pro Solo driver and long time autocross participant, i do feel i have some idea of how a car should handle. Good luck to you Sir.
@@Mr._Flunky i dont disagree with your knowledge about car handling, but please understand that we are are talking about the regular citizen here, not pro racing drivers. they dont have the skill to catch a car going sideways so it is very important that it does never happen. manufacturers rather want much more understeer than a slight chance of oversteer. also its a very good thing that cars have accidents in the front, because that is the safest way for absorbing shock, has the engine as shield for the passengers and they can be protected by the airbags much better dont you think?
Pretty much all of these clips are of people not knowing how to drive properly. I mean who enters a corner like this without braking? 2:41 What a clown
Mir gehts bis heute nicht in den Kopf wieso Leute in einem normalen Golf, Seat Leon, Ford Fiesta auf die Rennstrecke gehen. Das sind alle keine Sportvarianten von den Fahrzeugen. Also haben die auf einer Rennstrecke nichts zu suchen :) Macht halt null Sinn für solche Autos
Brace yourself, Audisteer comments are coming 😄
The Audi/VW group compilation
🤣🤣🤣
Only video where BMWs are the minority
It starts with an Audi, for surprise of exactly no one lol
It's about the driver, not the car, but is funny cause people don't think like this. Audisteer is the result of ideology
These are the people that tell their friends about how great of a driver they are and they fill the comments sections of videos offering horrible driving advice.
those lines are definitely from someone who spent too (little) much time on Forza. on a controller
If you are good they aren't
These are the people that tell you FWD is so much better and safer
@@Rusiputki FWD is safer for everyday driving, it's backed up by numbers. It's easier to correct under steer than over steer, and you get more grip when it's wet or snows. RWD is great when you want to go fast. :)
Also, this video has many RWD cars, Mustangs, BMW's, and Mercs. Under steer is not limited to FWD.
Understreer is more of a car thing than a driver thing though. Oversteer has far more skill expression, understreer you just have to not do dumb shit.
1. No one wrecked.
2. Good on them for pushing their cars as hard as they could.
3. Lots of lessons learned.
Lesson number 1 don't get an Audi, lesson number 2 don't get a VW, lesson number 3 don't get a Seat, lesson 4 don't get a Skoda, lesson 5 don't get a Bentley, lesson.....
@@RicardoReview these are people who buy cars for the horsepower figure and dont care about the car's weight or cornering ability... and they get surprised when they cant take a corner faster than a shitbox
4:00
These guys must be very good friends!
2:42 I’m dying lmao. feels understeer, decides to turn further in and floor it
sick burnout tho
Would work in rwd
Unser Dank geht raus an alle ESP-Ingenieure❤
Thanks, Mercedes for that.
@@thug_lifevideostv4199 it was actually Bosch who developed ESP, it was Mercedes was just the first who built in a car. to be precise Anton van Zanten was the inventor of ESP
2:40 playing with keyboard
100100
So true
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
hahaha
You guy seen 5:50 twingo driver? :D
Oh no!
The car understeers. Maybe I should steer even more in the same direction! 🙃
😂😂😂 those peoples have no idea about driving.. and this is scary😅
thats bad to do?
@@felipev5409 The wheels cant get grip when you steer in even more in the same direction, so you just sliding
@@NINO-ut4tn but doing the opposite doesn't make you get more grip right?
@@felipev5409 it does
That gravel trap is in the PERFECT spot 👍🏁!!
Probably the only 10min long NOS compilation without a crash in the barriers
90% of understeer is caused by bad driving technique
Too much entry speed, to be precise my friend
@@ejune98 too much entry speed =bad driving technique 😂😂😂
@@nigelsmith7366 well i wasnt denying, i was just being more specific
@@ejune98 actually you were denying it... I quote from you... "too much entry speed to be precise my friend"... That is a statement that what I said was totally wrong 🤣🤣🤣... But its OK i understand that you are not an experienced driver
@Nigel Smith I think you have no experience at all on the other hand 🤣 if you ever tried driving on a track at all, you always experience slight understeer and oversteer when trying to push your limits and simplifying it all on "skill issues" lol that says all
They say life is full of unexpected turns which is why my whole life is constant understeer
Wow someone managed to make a C63S sedan (slim rear tyres) understeer
I’m more impressed at people’s ability to understeer a rear wheel drive car lol
bcs of shit tires
Not that hard to achieve with bad technique, rear wheel drive understeers on entry and oversteers on exit. These days rear wheel drive cars come with very understeering focused setups so that they're "safer" for a broader group of drivers
It's called physics.
Most rwd cars are aligned and have geometry designed to make them understeer before they oversteer. Reason is the average driver is most likely able to save understeer than oversteer.
For example on BMW they come with no camber in the front, and since when turning your outside wheel always gains positive camber, that means your outside wheel has very bad contact patch when turning, leading to understeer. Most people tracking them change that, it makes the car much faster because you're no longer limited by that understeer, but now the car is more oversteery and doesn't warn you like an understeery car would.
Plus no matter your alignment, no matter the setup, no matter if it's FWD, AWD or RWD, when you're going too quick in a corner the most likely thing to happen is understeer, you reach such a point where your car simply cannot turn that tight at that speed, so understeer happens before anything else, it's a corner entry thing, like the other guy said, oversteer mostly happens on corner exit, and understeer mostly in entry. Oversteer can also happen in entry for example if you have a car that gets light in the rear under braking, but that's a special case.
Same hahaha
VAG Best of 🤣🤣🤣
still faster than opel
I'm amazed just how far people are prepared to push their everyday car's round the track, I mean if they crash it there walking to work 😅
Lmao, 5:57 - you know can tell he's panicing.
Mega Video, ich wohne selbst nur ein paar Kilometer vom Nürburgring entfernt. Man sieht am brünchen, Adenauer Forst ect. immer ein paar Crashs 😅.
VAG cars dominate 2 things, 1st is Understeer moments on the RING and the other thing is the Nearest service center!
@Ивелин Добрев Owned a 2017 Leon FR 180HP DSG with full options.
Nothing but problems + under steer
And please don't say a seat is not high class, because they are basically the same cars besides plastics and interior insulation.
Also, reliability reports say it all so dont try to argue 😉
VAG's are just cheap POS's now.
Porches are OKAY
But VW, Audi, Skoda & Seat are pure garbage like most german vehicles :)
BTW why are you saying that this comment has been written by someone who drives an italian or french cars?
I dont drive either of them but i DO know that theh handle amazingly and much better than german ones :)
most of these ppl have never felt their rear axle do anything other than being an attachment like a mirror, the swiss audi with "audi sport" written on the rear side window at 2:40 is my highlight 😂
Do they brush stones/pebbles back off the road when the staff see them? Im guessing it would damage the cars if youre driving pretty fast over them?
They do at the end of the day
Or crash when you are on a motorbike...
@@frankeichhorn7979 Motorsport is dangerous you have to sig a waiver before entering for a reason. Motorbikes are dangerous at the best of times😄
ESP doing wonders in this vid 😎😎😎
Understeer is safer so little crashes in the video while oversteer almost always ends with a barier contact
Yes. Still much more fun rwd
@@-Barracuda-426 id say there is no comparison. U can have Fun in fwd too but Rwd is the best xd
@@Rastamanjungle yes Sir👍🏻😉
@@-Barracuda-426 oversteer happens later, you need to be faster for that, aslong you dont have a shitty us car
That's not entirely true, esp saves a lot of people in most cases anyways
Everyone wants their turn at showering the track with marbles
I was wondering let’s take the example of 2:55, how bad is it for the car. Is it hurting the drivetrain ? The steering ? (How bad does going to the grass add the the damage if any)
I question because I have a 2cv Citroen, old car like this have tiny wheel and « lean ? » (goes to the side in corners, sorry my English) and I feel like the wheels are going to break because of the car wanting to go forward and the wheels being to the side (ofc I don’t have THAT much under steer, if even any because I drove slowly) but I wonder if I could break the steering thing or i don’t know what ?
Thanks for your time if responding ;)
Your 2cv has much slimmer tyres and a very simple but effective suspension system. I'd imagine if you tried this you'd either end up on your roof or break the outer wheel straight off the car.
@@sizeathem yes ! That’s exactly what I was thinking, just breaking the wheel off
On a modern car tyres take the worst of the struggle, tie rod end, bushings, shock absorbers and springs can take a bit of a beating but they will break eventually. Problem is most tracks are small but by the time you get round the 'Ring at full soeed everything is hot and over worked. That's why so many people modify their cars for going there. For example gas shocks don't go frothy inside like normal oil shocks due to a membrane.
Massive understeer…FK2: “hold my beer” 😂
What’s the difference between an Audi and a backwards 911?
911 will still be faster and more precise
My first thought: VAG Compilation it is haha
What happens when gravel is thrown across the track? Do marshals sweep it up or just leave it?
They clean it once a day
It ends on the windshields of cars behind the idiot.
Immer wieder lustig zu sehen, wie die Leute mit ihren dicken Prollkarren die überhaupt nicht für die Rennstrecke geeignet sind abschmieren 😂🤦♂️
Hallo, ich wollte auch einen Nürburgring Kanal gründen kannst du mir sagen wie ich so etwas erfolgreich schaffe ?
@stillmatic dude what did he do
Anyone else noticing how well the golfs handle this turn, when comparing the speed they enter the turn with another cars, or is it just me?
I havent driven rwd except an old clk for a few months. Since then i drive fwd (peugeot) due to the amount of cash you save from dieesel.. but i never stopped dreaming that clk and the rwd. Now i consider getting a gti or some other rwd for enjoyment, so any advice from owners of 2015 or later rwd/awd budget speedy cars will be appreciated :) for example octavia rs, the gti, etc..
The gti is fwd tho ? Not sure what you're on about
@@imnota or the R is AWD
gti is good, r not so much
Bro what are you saying... they look slow as hell in these turns
Oof! Well done putting together a motorsport video that is both entertaining and bordering on depressing. :P
I just try and visualize that engine sticking out past my radiator.......that leaking
That peer pressure
Il est où le circuit
A quando un video su 124Abarth?
E le Punto GT pure😎
Should have some obligation this folks pass truh a simulator before going to the track😬🤦
viele Audi Fahrer denken, jetzt habe ich allrad und setze die physik außer kraft
One round is like 10.000 km.
10 rounds and you can throw away your car. Everything is worn out. 😂
Wodurch wird das ausgelöst? Sind die einfach alle zu schnell, oder bremsen die zu spät, oder lenken die falsch ein mit der falschen Bereifung?
Alles davon kann eine Rolle spielen. Übermut und Falscheinschätzung sind wohl die Hauptursachen.
Lieber ein bisschen mehr vor der Kurve bremsen, das Auto langsam an die Grenzen führen und nicht direkt über die Grenzen hinaus. Ich denke auch, bevor da wirklich 100% gegeben wird, sollte die Strecke halbwegs bekannt sein
Ich denke, viele der Fahrer in dem Video wissen auch einfach gar nicht, wie sie Untersteuern durch ihre Linie beeinflussen können. Kombiniert mit den Punkten, die du genannt hast, ist dann das Ergebnis dementsprechend das Rumgequietsche und Gerutsche im Video
2:42 😵
People that don't know how to drive their car or understand how physics work shouldn't be allowed on a track.
Some are unlucky, no hard feels :)
I was like.. mustang? But they’re supposed to overst.. oh there we go.
But I slammed my car to the ground and fitted the lowest China tyres I could afford, just like the Internet said I should, because Stance equals lower CG equals road holding.
How come I still have understeer?
Is the internet ignorant?
That can't be...
What VW have you got lol
@@-Barracuda-426 I guess you missed the irony...
@@Paul_VanGo probably👍🏻😂😂
@@-Barracuda-426 👍🏻
Do you get fined when your car throws these rocks on the track?
Show me the rim damage from the curb and gravel
Audi 👑 of understeer
for real remove that grafel from that corner makes the road a grafel shooting range and motorcyles fall couse of that
Audi and BMW should team up to create a car with the perfect balance between understeer and oversteer 🤣
I feel like dis is happening because they arent downshifting and speeding before the curve
Mustang GT haciendo subviraje😳😳
Audi for the win ✌🏻😂
2:41 .. wollte der gutste wieder umdrehen und heimfahren ?
El del audi 100 ranchera que era un playmovil conduciendo madre mia
understeered straight through the S onto the grass at 140kph (after braking) on a ford focus rs mk1 which understeered quit a bit (that's all it did) but to be fair this saved my life and car more than once, very easy car to understand no nasty surprises, btw that day was the end of gran turismo gaming for me I learned that no you do not 180° everytime you touch the border of a race track ,talk about "a simulation" >
“Awd won’t affect the car”
The awd:
W124: laughs in 4matic
Are you saying that all 4wd cars understeer...
@@nigelsmith7366 simple awd can understeer but 4matic and xdrive are rwd biased so it corner perfectly
@@moeeziqbal3619 lol yet another misinformed and ignorant person 🤣🤣🤣
@@nigelsmith7366 meh?
1:50 is cringe. Are you doing Le Mans mate, are you that much in a hurry ? He learnt nothing, I guarantee it.
All these cars need varying levels of stiffer rear stabilizer bars to increase turn in and front bite.
However the Auto manufacturers want "safe and predictable handling" and proceed to build cars with varying levels of front slide at limit of traction.
I say garbage can those factory rear stabilizer bars and put a stiffer adjustable bar with solid bushings and tune out that Dangerous Understeer so the cars will stay on the road.
Wow.... How wrong you are lol
the understeer in the video was induced by bad driving: too much speed in the corner, bad entry angle and too much steering input (but mostly too much speed). if you would increase the amount of oversteer that would just lead to a lot of crashes. understeer is not dangerous compared to oversteer. so its good the way it is.
if you want best performance, then yes upgrade sway bars, however that is only advisable for experienced drivers
@@Sandro3.2Give the controlling of the vehicles to the ones behind the wheel not the people engineering the things on the first place.
This is why any tow yard you go to, mostly every car that's been wrecked is on the front.
If you have ever driven a front wheel drive or all wheel drive past its limit, and then driven a similarly prepped car with a decent stabilizer bar at the same place, then you well know how much more control you have over where the car goes.
To many keyboard geniuses with no factual experience.
Understeer is the enemy not your friend. Once you finally understand that, then you will know what i mean.
Anyone can speak about anything, however the truth or lack thereof will be obvious to those who have the experience to know for themselves.
As a licensed SCCA Pro Solo driver and long time autocross participant, i do feel i have some idea of how a car should handle.
Good luck to you Sir.
@@Mr._Flunky i dont disagree with your knowledge about car handling, but please understand that we are are talking about the regular citizen here, not pro racing drivers. they dont have the skill to catch a car going sideways so it is very important that it does never happen. manufacturers rather want much more understeer than a slight chance of oversteer. also its a very good thing that cars have accidents in the front, because that is the safest way for absorbing shock, has the engine as shield for the passengers and they can be protected by the airbags much better dont you think?
And that's why we don't let ego take control, if you're not a professional don't act like one lads 😁
BMW's weren't even understeering, they were only added to stop the VAG guys from losing their minds 😂
This is what happens when you actually push a car's limits. People who drive their car 4/10 will brag about never understeering lol
Audi : Its real free estate
In doubt flat out
Nice nice nice.. well done👍🏻😎
2'42" Audi..😂
Wenns von der vorderachse quietscht hilft nur noch mehr lenkwinkel und viel gas😂😂😂
Pretty much all of these clips are of people not knowing how to drive properly. I mean who enters a corner like this without braking? 2:41 What a clown
0:50 Gran Turismo anyone?
People in the comments talking about how much more fun rwd is while driving a 316i
316i is fun to drive
They could drive a shopping cart but that doesn't make their statement untrue
Surprised to see that they allow a biker out without leathers on!
That was hard to watch man
Too much speed
that patch of gravel should mean: go home.
Clarkson was here... ;-)
Understeering is the worst kind of steering.
how tf people managed to understeer rwd?
Understeer isn't exclusive to any variety of driven wheel
@@RatBürgerSk8 I know but is way harder to do in rwd, since oversteer happens more often
@@meloowl2 You have no clue about driving.
@@bapr3887 sure mr. pro driver, talking a lot even about the guys driving in track
O pessoal não consegue freia o carro pelo amor
Wenn es zu lange quischt, sollte man doch vom Gas gehen.
Those BMW Suvs....
Basically a video of Audis at the Nordschleife.
1:42 - 2:05 the Q3 and the TT looking strange
This video might as well be called - “VW group- how not to turn… “
Last kia🤣
Best cars bad drivers
audi and mercedes doing audi and mercedes things
Yup, that's what the VW Group vehicles do. Typical VW, Audi, Seat etc. "fun".
some Very amateur people
Vag 😂👌🏼
Front wheel drive 😟
lets test car on first day lol
Fwd > Awd ;)
RWD above all
Mir gehts bis heute nicht in den Kopf wieso Leute in einem normalen Golf, Seat Leon, Ford Fiesta auf die Rennstrecke gehen. Das sind alle keine Sportvarianten von den Fahrzeugen. Also haben die auf einer Rennstrecke nichts zu suchen :) Macht halt null Sinn für solche Autos
A video about understeer and it opens with an Audi 😂😂
imaine having money for c63 and don't know that you shouldn't break in corners xd
C H U N D E R S T E E R
Audi dont know how to turn like BMW dont know how to blink. Brothers 4 life!
The M2.. he used indicators..
They all do the same mistake : break in the curve.
They just arrive too fast in the corner
@@malinkonia641 and when you arrive too fast, you do what ?
Bah tu freines mais parce que tu peux plus faire grand chose d’autre
@@malinkonia641 ben non. Si tu freines tu pars tout droit c'est de la physique. Faut jouer avec l'accélérateur et le volant.
Not a Porsche 911 in sight.... cause they all got crashed into the woods.
FWD should’ve never been invented
money cant buy SKILS!!