Amiga Longplay Super Street Fighter II: The New Challengers
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Played by: Ironclaw
Game release year: 1995
For an AGA game it doesn't look that good. It's on 7 disks and yet with all the small characters/sprites and stuff, there's like no background animations... just a couple or something, like lights, no people moving. Also crap sound quality and the music sucks. There's no intro or title music either. But if this is what's required to get the awesome speed this game has, then it's worth it. Compared to the other Street Fighter games on the Amiga, THIS one runs fast and smooth, 50fps, very high playability. Another awesome thing is CD32 gamepad support, 6 buttons can be used, like the arcade versions.
I chose to play with Super Mode 'off', cuz I wanted the bonus levels. With Super Mode 'on' you get to fight against more characters, but the bonus rounds are left out. I just wanted to get through this game quickly anyway, so having it 'off' makes it quicker :P, ye, I'm lazy... and ye, I suck. Only did a couple of pratice rounds.
This game runs in 50fps and alot of moves and stuff uses flickering to make the effects. I usually upload 50fps movies in 25 on TH-cam to keep it moving/scrolling smooth, but this time it has to be upped in 30, or alot of times stuff will go invicible or just ignore the effects of all the special moves etc. It will of course look like CRAP in 30fps, but it's better than 25. If you wanna see it in super smooth action with everything visible and all effects behaving like they should, download the source video.
I didn't bother centering the screen while fighting, would have to cut the movie in many parts then, bleh. I added an extra fight at the end where I play in max speed.
So, of all the available Street Fighter games on the Amiga, this is the best one imo, as to me, playability is king. Super Street Fighter II Turbo has CD soundtracks and killer graphics, but it plays like shit and tons of animation and stuff were left out. -
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For what it's worth, this was the best version of Street Fighter 2 on the Amiga. Base SF2 was an absolute atrocity, as was SSF2T, but this made all the right compromises to at least be playable. That being said, although the Amiga was unsuited to having big sprites, games like Elfmania and Shadow Warrior - despite their gameplay flaws (the developers simply had no competence in making fighting games) - showed that an accurate port of Street Fighter 2 should have been possible.
Yeah this looks like the best version, and it was possible indeed, just look at Fighting Spirits.
Amiga had powerful 2D hardware, but it was very different to hardware found in arcades and home consoles. With proper use of Copper and other Amiga features it could run nearly flawless arcade quality port of Street Fighter. The only problem is that it required a skilled programmers that would implement every stage individually. Publishers would have to spend way more money than they would like on such port without any increased profit.
Street Fighter brand would sell itself anyway. Also Amiga was heavily pirated platform, so high quality port wouldn't increase sales at all.
Did Shadow Warrior and Elfmania have 6 button controls for basic moves alone? Plus this many animation frames? How was the combo system? An AI that's not brain dead or out to just murder you?
It's not just that the 2 developers lacked experience. This is a basic 512K RAM issue. The SNES and Genesis versions of Super Street Fighter 2 have near instant access to cart storage to get around the problem, which is great, because just one character would overload their RAM otherwise. The Sega CD, meanwhile, had twelve times the RAM of the Amiga, and still has to load characters between rounds for all its fighting games.
So porting a version of Super Street Fighter 2 this playable, on a data format that limited, without turning everyone into an 8-bit style chibi sprite? It's bloody sorcery.
The Amiga could move sprites mid scanline or perhaps even use blitter objects instead or in combination. Sure, overlapping sprites might become problematic, but otherwise it wouldn't be such a huge deal. There's actually an Amiga fighter that DOES look closer to something you'd expect on a 16 bit console or arcade even, and is relatively smooth, but the game itself is crap unfortunately.
@@fungo6631 man the really problem from amiga its the grafics is worst of genesis port soo maybe amiga is sucks
This is actually really good and playable, unlike the first SF2 on Amiga. It sacrificed graphics but it plays just like the arcade.
For an Amiga Game, it's very good. Trust me, it's difficult to find a good fighting game to Amiga. I liked this version.
*shadow fighter cough cough shadow fighter cough cough*
@@deadacclol5061 indeed. best fighting game on the system
@@Zontar82 I see your Shadow Fighter and raise you Body Blows.
A decent effort IMO, they obviously realised smoother play was more important than aesthetics. Good sound effects.
Ok this is nowhere nearly as good as the SNES and megadrive versions. And the Amiga was capable of much better.
But this version is a work of art compared to the poor excuse original Amiga SF2 game.
Why the hell did USGold try to make games look shite?
I think U.S. Gold were trolling customers, trying to make the worst, crappiest versions they could possibly make.
I think they programmed for the lowest common denominator, and made the Atari ST version, and then just copied the code to run on the Amiga. So it's not using any hardware feature from the Amiga. Well, also they didn't have good programmers.
Certainly the graphics could have been better, but the game plays fine.
Most of these games
a) were worked on by only one programmer, who
b) almost always didn't have access to the original's resources and/or source code, having to recreate almost everything from scratch by eye and ear (and without nowadays' tools and techniques), and
c) were given very limited development time (let alone testing) before deadline. In fact, on the words of various programmers from the era, several games from the 80s to early 00s were commercially released on beta (or even alpha) state.
In my opinion even though the graphics are abit iffy, this version is 10 times better than the original Street Fighter 2 on the Amiga. Looks more solid gameplay wise, sound and voices are much better ( even the different tone of Ryu and Ken voices ) Also one thing I noticed is that the Shoryuken is not a charge move like it was in the original SF 2 for the Amiga with the hold down for 2 seconds than up and fire button motion. The player was executing it quite fast sometimes even while moving which leads me to believe they fixed it and made like the arcade motion. All in all it is a really decent and highly playable port from the looks of it
The music in this port is quite catchy.
M. V. Shooting
Yep, to be fair and honest, Music and sound quality isn't that bad.
Feilong music is one of my favorites.
Definitively a port I totally like, I even buyed a copy :p
The vega level has a certain techno vibe
*bought
Yeah the feilong music rocks!
Sounds like 8 bit Megaman OST
wow I actually like Cammy's theme in the Amiga version lol
Same!
looks a decent port, never played this but it looks far more playable than the amiga port of sf2
Wow, the music sounds WAY better than on the Mega Drive.
Can't believe how good is this port considering the hardware! It plays just so close to the arcade..the attack patterns are the same..looks like a carbon copy just with downgraded graphics. So great work!!
At least this version of the game was playable unlike the other two versions.
This game has the politest “sonic boom” of any street fighter ever!
sonic bewm :)
This seems to be the most well rounded street fighter game on the amiga. It has good music, good sound effects, Ok graphics, and most of the graphics were in its right place. There were even light animations, something the amiga doesn't usually have.
I bought this retail at the time and it is indeed the best street fighter experience you can get on the Amiga, it was a least playable but the disk swapping was a nightmare. I think it came on about 10 disk or something like that.
Yes I remember the loading being a nightmare. That really spoilt the fun. The game would have been 10x more enjoyable if there had been no loading and disk swapping.
The problem was that a lot of software companies releasing games for the Amiga were loath to make multi-disk games hard-disk installable, their reasoning being that the disks of such games were a doddle to pirate.
AGA version came on 7 disks and was hd installable thank god. A500 version cam on 5 and it wasnt. Still the most playable fighting game on the amiga even though they did compromise of gfx and sound. i play the AGA DX version via WHDload these days
At the beginning, I thought 'Ah crap my headphones broke' until the lightning sounds came... R.I.P my ears
I see a lot of negative comments here, but I don't think you are fully appreciating the context here…
Producing fighting games on the Amiga was *not* easy, as shown by what had come before. The original U.S. Gold Street Fighter 2 conversion was utterly pathetic: a slow, ugly mess of a game with boring gameplay and music from hell.
Other developers had tried (and failed) to make a decent Amiga fighting game, like Team 17's "Body Blows" which was a valiant attempt, but ultimately felt kind of cheap and hollow, and had nothing of the Street Fighter 'magic'.
So when this game came out in late 1995 - by comparison to everything that came before, it was pretty amazing. It's the Street Fighter game Amiga owners had been waiting for - this was the "real deal", an authentic-looking Street Fighter game with fast, arcade-accurate gameplay. And despite the audio being slightly limited, it did actually feature all 16 of the level tunes, which for me was a major thumbs up.
To my memory, the only Amiga fighting game that gave this a run for its money was "Shadow Fighter" by NAPS which had come out earlier in 1995. Shadow fighter was such a stunningly polished game, you could almost forget it was running on an Amiga. The game design was also top-notch, with some pretty decent original characters. (My favourite two were the 'cop' and the cat woman.)
In terms of production, Shadow Fighter would probably win the award for "best Amiga fighting game". However, in terms of just being a great game and being packed full of charm, and having that authentic Japanese arcade feeling, then you really can't beat Street Fighter 2, and for me this conversion delivered the goods. :)
Edit: Having declared Shadow Fighter as being graphically the best Amiga fighting game, I have since discovered the game "Elfmania" which I hadn't seen before. All I can say is wow - the graphics look like an arcade game and totally put all the Amiga Street Fighter conversions to shame.
This is a 1993 game for a 1992 32 bit computer and I'm sorry, but graphically is simply bad.
I think that the main problem was time and money, put the capcom team as other versions and you'll have an almost perfect port.
Have you seen Fightin Spirt. Thats my fave beatem up on the Amiga.
@@boocaliffo3024 I don't see what's bad about the graphics. Sure, the sprites are a bit small and low in colours, but that's only to keep the speed up, which is more important.
No an A1200 is not more powerful than the hardware used by the arcade version of SSFII.
It used CPS2.
SSF2 or SSF2T were Games that needed configurations above what we got at this time. If you want to get a very good port of this game, you'd need a 68030 at minimum (let's say a 68040 to be honest), 32 mb of Ram, a hard drive, and good programmers able to port in ASM the engine logic from the coin-op. The amiga lacks hardware sprites, and also flexibility in its palette. SSF2T could have been the deal, but its game engine was ported from the PC version, which was coded in C and not ASM.
amiga has hardware sprites support and blitter for the bobs.This game does not need anything else than a 68000, the problem here was the chip memory (512k), and this issue could have been fixed with an ECS or AGA version.
albert fuentes : This game needs 1 or 2mb of RAM (SSF2). SSF2T is another story.
You keep forgetting how the SNES and Megadrive both got SSF2. The Amiga DID have hardware sprites, but you needed to be more creative with the copper chip due to limitations.
Usually, US-GOLD is the death sentence for a game, even more for a fighting game. But this one seems to be a decent and playable port, unlike SF2 and the later but way worse SSF2T. That's probably the best fighting game on the system!💪🏼
Nice really dig the soundtrack in this one.
But how could they screw up porting something like SSF2 to something as relatively powerful as the Ami-[sees U.S. Gold logo]-*Oh.* Nevermind, it all makes sense now.
TheRudeAmerican
No, I'm too young to have owned an Amiga (born in 1991). My grandpa used to have one when I was younger (which I used to play with when at my grandparents' house, mostly doodling in DeluxePaint and watching the CPU play Poing because I sucked at it) but I think he chucked it out some years ago after all his Amiga mice broke.
I've never played anything by U.S. Gold. however, being the TH-cam nerd I am, I have of course heard of U.S. Gold and their total and utter lack of porting skills.
lol U.S Gold were so useless that I bet if they were still around today and they tried to port an arcade perfect conversion of 1972s Pong to the Playstation 4 they would somehow screw it up.
Clarence Boddicker
The "They cannot even port Pong" it's more like a fact.
Zaxxon on the Speccy proves pretty much that joke...
+Tom Caine
The Amiga tends to be overrated but it still deserves lot of credits, especially considering that its base hardware is from 1985 (as the Amiga 1000).
Super Street Fighter II here is complete crap, just slightly less crap than the utter-crappy Amiga port of Street Fighter II.
But there's one Amiga fighting game which pretty much shows what the system is trully capable of in the genre and that game is Shadow Fighter. In some ways, it puts to shame the PC Engine, a system whose base hardware is from 1987 and which couldn't handle parallax scrollings in most, if not all of its fighting games nor running them in proper resolution. Even worse when considering the SNK ports which needs the Super CD-Rom add-on (1991 hardware) and the arcade card (1994) in order to run and in comparison Shadow Fighter on Amiga still has several technical advantages!
Only the Mega Drive and SNES outmatch the Amiga and even then, the SNES has inferior resolution which causes problems in some Amiga to SNES ports such as Pinball Dreams/Pinball Fantasies or The Chaos Engine.
Shadow Fighter and Fighting Spirit are prime examples of SF-level fighters done right on the Amiga. If PCE can have a proper conversion, the Amiga can have one too. Look at MK2, not as good as it could be as if it were designed around A500's hw from the get go, only based on the MD port, but it's a faithful experience and an excellent game. SSF2 Turbo was AGA indeed and it was a turd. The version of SSF2 shown here is also the AGA version, not a bad effort. Even the somewhat inferior A500 version, gameplay-wise, plays more than fine with keyboard controls, allowing for full 6 fire buttons. Biggest fail here are the small sprites used, giving that cinemascope ratio, but at least it plays close to the arcade original and it's an enjoyable experience.
Yeah remember this now, I'll be adding this one to the Amiga500 mini.
Lots of comments as how the 1200 could do better. I'm dubious about that. Elfmania did look nicer but it was clearly designed with visuals as the priority. It was horrible to play and very shallow. Street fighter has a well loved combo system and mechanics that they've had to reverse engineer for the Amiga and they did an amazing job here, focussing on giving a true and smooth experience. This will have taken up a lot of processing power and I'm not sure people appreciate that. Mechanics should be the priority. The CD32 took the exact opposite approach it's an utter horror show.
Did they use the sprites from the Master System version of SFII?
Nope
This is how the a500 version should have been. That certainly doesn't look like 256 colour to me, let alone 14 MHz. It kind of does look like 32 colour 8 Mhz Amiga/ST port, though.
It's no 256 colors. It's 32 + 16 sprite colors.
AGA is too slow and too low of chipram to do a game like this in 256 colors.
64 colors + the 16 sprite colors is enough to make it look nigh on identical to the arcade though, which is more in the realm of possible.
I wasn't that mad on Street Fighter 2 but this one seems much slicker than the first Amiga port despite the smaller graphics, etc.
No, no it is not. It's about the graphics hardware, the ability to move sprites, display colours. A paltry 2MHz difference in CPU does not make the A1200 more powerful. A SNES has a ridiculously under powered CPU but is supported by great graphics hardware.
In fairness this was an awesome conversion compared to the US GOLD version of SF2, of which should have had the dev team locked up and the company sued. This actually looked playable, even if the graphics were rough.
Holy smackeroonys! This seemed playable... Wow😮
I think this version way better than the Mega Drive,i hope this game would come for the Amiga 500 Mini
Cute version...
How the heck is this the A1200 AGA version ??? I counted the colors on the background screen, there are never more than 16 !!!
I guess the characters have their own 16 colors, so it makes 32 colors per stage. Exactly the amount of colors the Amiga 500 can show. ...
If this is really the AGA version, then i'm sorry, but it's really really poorly done.
best version on the amiga without a doubt
The classic forward round house/ medium kick, stomach punch, hadoken combo...
Look, an actually competent version!
Amiga was a fantastic computer for its original games but ports were usually really, really bad
Music is actually good. Voices are OK. This looks like it plays alright, unlike Super Turbo's CD32 version.
Taking out parallax, line-scrolling floors, & the bikes in Chun-Li's stage can be excused, but they should have tried to put at least a little animation in the backgrounds.
So apparently this came on 5 disks and Super Street Fighter II Turbo even came on 11 disks.
SF2 was a terrible conversion for amiga. this is a decent conversion of the game core points (combos, slowing down on being hit) at the price of sacrificing graphics and sounds. Shadow fighters proved amiga was able to handle a game like this with way better graphics (and paralaxe too, like the original SF2). SF2 is the best fighting game ever on arcade but for amiga shadow fighters proved to be the best at least technically (graphics, sound, fps, sprites and engine).
Completely agree with every word you've said here. Before I read this I'd just posted my own comment on this video saying words to this effect.
I prefer Fightin' Spirit to Shadow Fighter.
shadow fighter was the best fighting game on the amiga. body blows was somehow a good second\third place
@@Zontar82 what was so special about shadow fighter? It looked average
Shadow Fighter traded colors for parallax. I much prefer Fightin' Spirit.
Fightin' Spirit on the A500 looks a bit better.
Bad, but the playability is accurate to the genesis version -at least-. The amiga 500´s Street Fighter 2 was settled with shit around the all sides. It was the Atari ST version, with two or three more colors.
Sagat's theme is beast. Honestly.
Great version compared to the original SFII on the Amiga.
Ryu's theme sounds like a remix because of the drums and the bass.
Better than the normal Street Fighter II on Amiga...
Not many colors, no parallax, small sprites... but hey it's better and smoother than SF2 on Amiga.
This is alot better than the SF2 that i bought back then, at least this sf2 new challengers seems to be playable and looks and feels like street fighter 2, unfortunatly i declined to buy this back then, i thought it would be sf2 base game with just a few more fighters.. gladly i was wrong
Coming from US Gold its really good.
The physics seem to be on point to be fair. Looks okay. Different league to US Gold's attempt.
Zangief's theme around 19:56 had the perfect guitar kind of
Imao.
2.05
Ken: O-youken
Cammy: A..a...a..a..a.
At least his Hadouken sounds ok. Amiga's Ryu sounds like "Awooken"
La mejor versión ❤ de amiga
Not to discredit the Amiga but I did get a better experience with the SNES home console, possibly because of the graphics, sounds and speed of the game. On a side note, aside from Eliza, who do you see Ken best with throughout the whole Street Fighter world from Alpha to 4?
Sounds and looks pretty good. How is the game control?
Dont forget guys this was for the Amiga 1200 so I dont think its fair to compare it to the abysmall port of the original SF2 on the A500 ;)
wrong, this is the A500 version.
No, this is the AGA version
AGA compatible, is not the same thing. you only have to look for those 256 colors on screen. I have this game in my A500.
Sorry but THIS version is the AGA-only version. The OCS/ECS one doesn't support music and sfx at the same time, doesn't have the voice samples. Additionally, the life meteres and timers are place on the black border above the screen.
i like the field of view, thats exaclty how sf4 should look like.
What are some of these character palettes, OMG
I had a pirated copy of this, but I could never get it to work past the title screen. I tried every combination of options, but never got into the game. :(
7:18 Bruce lee Mode ACTIVATED
I still remember the first time I played it on my Amiga 1200, incredibly disappointed! :(
As soon as i saw the US Gold logo , I knew we were in for some trouble!
At least it's playable.
Graphics look like from a 1990 EGA PC game...
Pretty decent for the hardware it is!!, Quite good!
Fiquei surpreso em ver que lançou SSF2 para amiga 500
Wow, even the throws do virtually no damage instead of like 1/4 of your life. lol
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@BreastsInspector Saves me from having to go to switzerland.
Sounds better here than Snes or Genesis.
An unoffical CD32 version exisits. Its called DX or somthing. Its the only way to play SFII on the Amiga. Theis version looks like crap but its playability is arcade perfect. The CD32 version apart from having improved backgrounds ( i couldnt tell the difference) eliminates the disk swap problem and was more stable than the HD install in my opinion.
No Wait?! So,how different is this to the A500 OCS/ECS version?! I don't see any difference in the graphics or more colors really?! SSF2 Turbo on the CD-32 & AGA yes it looks a lot like the Arcade but this is more of a farce!
Wait is this normally in wide screen?
The music is barely passable, which is a shame because the CPS2 shares a very similar soundchip with the Amiga. You can hear similar instruments but that's it. If they spent more time on this port the music could have been 1:1.
To the coward who delete their comment, consider the following: the instrument tracks in Super Turbo had a very small footprint.
Compared to SF2, this is a godly version. It seems funny.
I'd totally hate to be Chun Li or Vega trying to do wall jumps in this game.
Music rocks.
Cammy's stage sounds nice...
the one time where the dos version beats the amiga version...
Looking at the CD32 specs I just don't get why this port is worse than the snes and Mega Drive versions. I mean why no music on the menus? Why are there so few colours? I just don't get it. Remind me never to get US Gold to do my arcade conversions.
Because cd32 is a pile of shit
Who did this conversion? Couldn't have been Capcom themselves.
At least they sorted the mechanics this time around. They butchered the first version.
hadokeen! Sonic boom!
spikesjjsj! tatsumaki senpukyaku! UAATAAAAAAHHHGRR!
muddadadatatata!
Tiger! UPERCUUUTTT
@rafaellima83 Still, like the video poster said, its the best rendition of Street Fighter on the system, and one of the best fighting games for the system too.
@EvilFranky the amiga 1200 had an Aga chipset. i suggest you look up the game elfmania which had better animation that street fighter and large high resolution sprites and backgrounds
Is it amiga versión?
Would be nice to see the stages not featured in this video (Dhalsim, Dee Jay, Ken, and E. Honda).
6:50
It's nowhere near 100% accurate, but it looks suprisingly solid for a home computer port around that time.
19:23
why is guile bleeding green lmaoo
Blanka looks like a takis in the amiga version lol
And then Ken went home and became a family man.
Where is the music?
素晴らしい格闘ゲーム😊
elfmania montre ce qu'un amiga 500 pouvait faire en terme de jeux de combat. Un amiga 500 pouvait sortir un street fighter 2 comme sur snes.
Amiga wasn’t in widescreen like this video is. Something is fucked up.
is vega a boy or girl
Male... (Boy)
You guys sure have done a SHIT LOAD OF AMIGA LONGPLAYS!!!!!!
@TechnoEstate This is supposed to run on A1200 machines. The A1200 had a Video Processor that was better than the Mega-Drive one. It's CPU was twice as faster as the Mega-Drive, and like 5 times faster than the SNES one. It had 2mb of ram, which is basically half the size of the SNES port of this game (I know in this case RAM wouldn't be used just to store the game, and that it probably have some compressed stuff, but still..)
It's obvious it could be better. But you'd need good programmers.
Or supported from Capcom. The PC Engine got a great version of Street Fighter 2.
@@fungo6631 Agreed.
Good programmers, proper deadlines and proper support.
Mega Drive Street Fighter 2 was made by 18 guys in 9 months.
Amiga Street Fighterr 2 was made by 5 guys in 6 months. Who were also making the Atari ST version at the same time.
There's no way the Amiga had any chance.
@@rafaellima83 Actually they were likely tasked with the Atari ST port first, and then the Amiga port. It was common practice for Amiga games to be Atari ST ports with a few more colors and better sound.
Fortunately Super Street Fighter 2 on the Amiga was a huge improvement playability wise.
@@fungo6631 I really think at that point they were given both at the same time. Both versions use the same assets but Amiga version makes proper use of the blitter and stuff. I think from 91-92 onwards they were doing the games at the same time or first on Amiga, many ST+Amiga games were beginning to use the Amiga hardware properly, even if sharing assets since graphics capabilities were similar.
@@rafaellima83 Doubt the blitter was used properly in the Amiga version. Lags like crap.
this coversion for amiga is much better as the street fighter 2 world warrior for ms-dos
I so agree