@@CyberBeatAustralia what! That's it, your partner is dead to me 😂 Nah good work on making the most of it. I actually wear mine outside of work often just because it is so comfortable. Cheers for the support! - Taz.
I'm not even in motorsport and I can see the value here, all I suggest is that they should come in different colors to help differentiate relays at a glance
I was very excited to see this sneak peek on the socials last night. As a home hack wanting to do better jobs and try new techniques and connections - i think this is an awesome idea. When you have a look at the price of SSR's (here in AUS) and when then take into account the cost of tooling, connector packs, pins etc etc for good quality and top grade connectors - over all - its not a huge bite to get a holistic 'tool less' solution like this. For someone like me at home looking to retro fit in thermos, fuel pumps, meth injection and various other add ons - I'd spend the money. Plus when you are learning - much easier to use the on-board diag buttons and LEDs then probing with a power probe or putting live power through to trigger. Turns big jobs into much smaller ones for the average street car!
Cool stuff, was very interested until I saw the price of $150 per relay! (from their website). At that price, if you were to need a relay for - P/S Pump, Water Pump, x2 Fuel Pump Relays, Cooling fan relay- that's $750 right there. More than halfway compared to EMU PMU, which is totally configurable by different engine parameters, can be CAN defined, and could provide many outputs and still much simplified wiring than these relays would provide.
Yes I noticed that and assume the website needs an update. Reid seemed to want to underline that they intend for these to be as affordable as they can make them as I'm sure they will be aware of situations like you have mentioned above and the viability of the product/s =) - Taz.
Most PMUs are limited to 20 amps per channel and some can’t even pulse, so there are limitations even with a PMU. Kaizen Relays offer significant functionality with a much lower up front cost, and if you don’t mind using old school relays then you could supplement with std relays for driving the simple devices while using CAN control for your integrated devices. It’s also quite a good IO expander, as it can free up three ECU outputs. Target price is $100, the $150 on the website is a placeholder.
My thoughts were the same. It surprised me to learn about the can bus control and feedback system which is lovely but for the folks who want to simply do a relay replacement/upgrade probably willing to go without the extra feature at a cheaper price
I was going to say that these "seem" expensive but any quality motorsport part is worth its weight in gold if deemed suitable... The simplicity and almost idiot 'proofness' of this device makes me want to buy a couple for my bench projects!
Can see these being handy where the PWM functionality is required or where CanBus actuation is a necessity. Fill a gap where PDM's are out of the budget but additional functionality is required beyond that of a conventional relay.
You can cheap it with a stm32 based chip with canbus and TunerStudio configuration support. $100,00 is a VERY salty for the relay but is a cool idea. Cage Clamps have been used for a long time in eletrical house wiring but I can't wait to see the vibrational performance of them and longevity whilist hard using.
VERY cool! In time the price will also drop, as R&D costs are paid and economies of scale kick in. Not sure what I might use them for, but the PWM option certainly has potential. I might have missed the mounting system, just wondering how easy it is to swap out one that's in-line, should it ever fail?
GordoWG1 WG1 The production units will have a metal mounting clip that can be removed (without tools of course) and then any device in the daisy chain can be replaced by rotating to unlock. IO wires can be removed by lifting the levers and pulling, trigger wires & ground can be removed by depressing and pulling. The only tools required are your fingers.
@@KAIZENSPEED Cool, thanks for responding so promptly. I've used similar mechanical terminals for other applications and I would compliment you in not only incorporating them into the switching device, but all the other features.
If you want something even more cost effective: check out the MSD SSR module. One 4GA input, 4x20a continuous channels completely independent, high or low triggering, can handle up to 80a for momentary load and 60a for 8 seconds. I'm putting one in today ironically. Or not and Google is watching me 👀
So I run 4 gauge from battery to a divider that splits to two 8ga wires each powering it's own relay for a twin fp setup. Using the one relay receiving ground from the factory fuel pump controller. The other receives it's ground from a Hobbs switch. It hasn't given me any issues for years. Would I benefit anything from his solid state relays?
that spring cage technology has been around for decades in cnc machinery and so on, specially European stuff, its a proven thing and works extremely well.
Indeed, however what is perfect for one application might* not be suitable for another so it is understandable when people prefer to stick with what they know will work. *Reid seems committed to start to prove this tech is suitable for motorsport so time will tell if it can tick all the size and reliability boxes - Taz.
Of course! You do you Tai. I'd recommend putting it close to something hot and having a wire rubbing on it that will eventually be damaged for full authenticity haha - Taz.
That is a possible option for some applications, however, you can also hard mount them. It's not in our video sorry but you can see a picture of that via this page here: kr.kaizenspeed.com/development - Taz.
While this relay is cool and would certainly make creating and diagnosing systems easier, $100 is very steep. A conventional relay is about $70 cheaper than that. Very cool tech, the price needs to come down before I could feasibly integrate it.
It's not just about replacing your current relay setup just because, it's also adding functionality that you might have to fit a PDM for alternatively. So basically, this isn't a product that you would just rip out your existing relays and replace them just for the sake of it, you would have some specific requirements or be expanding/building your loom that would make you want to take advantage of these. That's my personal take as a budget orientated car enthusiast anyway 🤘 - Taz.
@@hpa101 from what I gathered the only part of this system that goes beyond a basic relay with a fancy plug and failure leds is the module that goes on the end. Other than that they are just basic relays. So unless I misunderstood I feel as though $100 is way too steep. The module that takes the can info I could easily pay $100 for, but the relays I cant justify more than $60-$70 for.
@@jrichardson-m9m it seems that not every relay would accept the pwm so if you are looking for this particular feature using a standard relay may not even be an option...
@@jrichardson-m9m It's a solid state relay. Go read about solid state relays vs a normal relay then get back to us. You obviously didn't watch the whole video or weren't paying attention.
Philly Phil Check out the wire termination section here: KR.kaizenspeed.com/development ...these particular clamps have been subject to repeated shock and high vibration environment reliability tests. We’re proud to be bringing them to the performance aftermarket.
@@KAIZENSPEED What's the best location to get the latest updates on these? They sound like the PERFECT solution to pair with a Holley Terminator X ECU in the 5.0l Fox body drag car I'm building with my nephew! Big long term plans that include an engine swap and sub-10 second passes, so I plan on gathering all the data I can to integrate into the ECU functions, and these could really open up some options. And, for less than the cost of a pair of deutsch crimpers - let alone without the need for one? SOLD!
@@RyTrapp0 The best way to stay updated is to opt-in for updates here: KR.kaizenspeed.com/development. Know that we are working hard to bring this product to life as quickly as possible without making sacrifices in manufacturing. And you said it best... "all for less than the cost of a pair of deutsch crimpers!"
motorised1 Theyre actually really cool and if you get a chance to check one out in person someday I hope you will. No doubt you’ll think they’re at least “neat” and maybe even “badass!” We’re working hard for a nice textured finish on the production units.
Not worth the money. They do not come with any sort of base programming and they fail to mention programming is an additional paid service...that is unless you want to learn arduino and figure it out yourself. Proper PDMs with proper programming and proper support have definitely made this outdated.
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@@CyberBeatAustralia what! That's it, your partner is dead to me 😂 Nah good work on making the most of it. I actually wear mine outside of work often just because it is so comfortable. Cheers for the support! - Taz.
Thanks for covering this it’s a tech that rare an niche. And it need more exposure.
I'm not even in motorsport and I can see the value here, all I suggest is that they should come in different colors to help differentiate relays at a glance
DEVUNK88 thats a good idea.
We agree, and the production Kaizen Relays will accept labels. We will have standard and custom label sheets available.
I was very excited to see this sneak peek on the socials last night. As a home hack wanting to do better jobs and try new techniques and connections - i think this is an awesome idea. When you have a look at the price of SSR's (here in AUS) and when then take into account the cost of tooling, connector packs, pins etc etc for good quality and top grade connectors - over all - its not a huge bite to get a holistic 'tool less' solution like this. For someone like me at home looking to retro fit in thermos, fuel pumps, meth injection and various other add ons - I'd spend the money. Plus when you are learning - much easier to use the on-board diag buttons and LEDs then probing with a power probe or putting live power through to trigger. Turns big jobs into much smaller ones for the average street car!
How exciting! Love the interview and explanation as always. Looking forward to using these in the future.
Great idea for a street build type owner, love it 👌
Cool stuff, was very interested until I saw the price of $150 per relay! (from their website). At that price, if you were to need a relay for - P/S Pump, Water Pump, x2 Fuel Pump Relays, Cooling fan relay- that's $750 right there. More than halfway compared to EMU PMU, which is totally configurable by different engine parameters, can be CAN defined, and could provide many outputs and still much simplified wiring than these relays would provide.
Yes I noticed that and assume the website needs an update. Reid seemed to want to underline that they intend for these to be as affordable as they can make them as I'm sure they will be aware of situations like you have mentioned above and the viability of the product/s =) - Taz.
Most PMUs are limited to 20 amps per channel and some can’t even pulse, so there are limitations even with a PMU. Kaizen Relays offer significant functionality with a much lower up front cost, and if you don’t mind using old school relays then you could supplement with std relays for driving the simple devices while using CAN control for your integrated devices. It’s also quite a good IO expander, as it can free up three ECU outputs. Target price is $100, the $150 on the website is a placeholder.
My thoughts were the same. It surprised me to learn about the can bus control and feedback system which is lovely but for the folks who want to simply do a relay replacement/upgrade probably willing to go without the extra feature at a cheaper price
Very interesting and seemingly well thought product solving lots of issues at once !
I was going to say that these "seem" expensive but any quality motorsport part is worth its weight in gold if deemed suitable...
The simplicity and almost idiot 'proofness' of this device makes me want to buy a couple for my bench projects!
Pretty cool and I definitely see how these could be applied. Certainly not for ever situation but the CAN and daisy chaining features are really cool.
Just like installing wires to my sub. Super simple 👍
Can see these being handy where the PWM functionality is required or where CanBus actuation is a necessity. Fill a gap where PDM's are out of the budget but additional functionality is required beyond that of a conventional relay.
You can cheap it with a stm32 based chip with canbus and TunerStudio configuration support. $100,00 is a VERY salty for the relay but is a cool idea. Cage Clamps have been used for a long time in eletrical house wiring but I can't wait to see the vibrational performance of them and longevity whilist hard using.
Now this is exciting!
Seems like a game changer....
Impressive. I need to re-wire my car and will definitely be looking into these.
This is great. A PDM is unjustifiable for my build. Also with can-bus I can integrate with a modern car.
VERY cool!
In time the price will also drop, as R&D costs are paid and economies of scale kick in.
Not sure what I might use them for, but the PWM option certainly has potential.
I might have missed the mounting system, just wondering how easy it is to swap out one that's in-line, should it ever fail?
GordoWG1 WG1 The production units will have a metal mounting clip that can be removed (without tools of course) and then any device in the daisy chain can be replaced by rotating to unlock. IO wires can be removed by lifting the levers and pulling, trigger wires & ground can be removed by depressing and pulling. The only tools required are your fingers.
@@KAIZENSPEED Cool, thanks for responding so promptly. I've used similar mechanical terminals for other applications and I would compliment you in not only incorporating them into the switching device, but all the other features.
If you want something even more cost effective: check out the MSD SSR module. One 4GA input, 4x20a continuous channels completely independent, high or low triggering, can handle up to 80a for momentary load and 60a for 8 seconds.
I'm putting one in today ironically. Or not and Google is watching me 👀
MSD’s thing is cool but it’s exposed screw terminals aren’t something for motorsports. And at 20A you’d have to burn two outputs for big fans.
They have a high current option as well that’s 35 amps per channel
So I run 4 gauge from battery to a divider that splits to two 8ga wires each powering it's own relay for a twin fp setup. Using the one relay receiving ground from the factory fuel pump controller. The other receives it's ground from a Hobbs switch. It hasn't given me any issues for years. Would I benefit anything from his solid state relays?
that spring cage technology has been around for decades in cnc machinery and so on, specially European stuff, its a proven thing and works extremely well.
Indeed, however what is perfect for one application might* not be suitable for another so it is understandable when people prefer to stick with what they know will work.
*Reid seems committed to start to prove this tech is suitable for motorsport so time will tell if it can tick all the size and reliability boxes - Taz.
Exactly, Wago has made this types of connectors for electricians for a looong time.
@@jepulis6529 im a sparky in australia and i've switched to wago connectors rather than traditional screw type. best thing ever
What a game changer.
Can I still use self tapping screws to put this in a horrible location on my firewall somewhere? 🤣🤣
Of course! You do you Tai. I'd recommend putting it close to something hot and having a wire rubbing on it that will eventually be damaged for full authenticity haha - Taz.
Anyone who can afford a relay can afford a Kaizen relay.....
$150. I think not.
I like it👍👍
How do they mount? Self adhesive pads?
That is a possible option for some applications, however, you can also hard mount them. It's not in our video sorry but you can see a picture of that via this page here: kr.kaizenspeed.com/development - Taz.
While this relay is cool and would certainly make creating and diagnosing systems easier, $100 is very steep. A conventional relay is about $70 cheaper than that. Very cool tech, the price needs to come down before I could feasibly integrate it.
It's not just about replacing your current relay setup just because, it's also adding functionality that you might have to fit a PDM for alternatively.
So basically, this isn't a product that you would just rip out your existing relays and replace them just for the sake of it, you would have some specific requirements or be expanding/building your loom that would make you want to take advantage of these.
That's my personal take as a budget orientated car enthusiast anyway 🤘 - Taz.
@@hpa101 from what I gathered the only part of this system that goes beyond a basic relay with a fancy plug and failure leds is the module that goes on the end. Other than that they are just basic relays. So unless I misunderstood I feel as though $100 is way too steep. The module that takes the can info I could easily pay $100 for, but the relays I cant justify more than $60-$70 for.
@Pat Ball oh I know. I'm excited about this thing. I hope it catches on so I can justify it.
@@jrichardson-m9m it seems that not every relay would accept the pwm so if you are looking for this particular feature using a standard relay may not even be an option...
@@jrichardson-m9m It's a solid state relay. Go read about solid state relays vs a normal relay then get back to us. You obviously didn't watch the whole video or weren't paying attention.
i like regular old relays but its just because they are 5$ a piece and i love crimping wires
e34Boat Crimpin’ ain’t easy ;)
Sold out?
Tony Ash These are prototypes, our production models will be available for sale by the end of the year.
3:35 - look out ANDRE'S TRIGGERED...!!! no worries, he's going to get the bottom of your outrageous claims. 😃
Philly Phil Check out the wire termination section here: KR.kaizenspeed.com/development ...these particular clamps have been subject to repeated shock and high vibration environment reliability tests. We’re proud to be bringing them to the performance aftermarket.
this thing is massive lol
Zonghui Li That’s what she said.
I couldn’t focus on what he was talking about with ol white pants in the back
Msd made what could be this guys nightmare
They are out of stock :0
Moshe Galimidi We’re working through manufacturing at scale as we speak - our target is the end of 2020.
@@KAIZENSPEED What's the best location to get the latest updates on these? They sound like the PERFECT solution to pair with a Holley Terminator X ECU in the 5.0l Fox body drag car I'm building with my nephew! Big long term plans that include an engine swap and sub-10 second passes, so I plan on gathering all the data I can to integrate into the ECU functions, and these could really open up some options.
And, for less than the cost of a pair of deutsch crimpers - let alone without the need for one? SOLD!
@@RyTrapp0 The best way to stay updated is to opt-in for updates here: KR.kaizenspeed.com/development. Know that we are working hard to bring this product to life as quickly as possible without making sacrifices in manufacturing. And you said it best... "all for less than the cost of a pair of deutsch crimpers!"
They are in stock shipping out now.
ehhhh, it would be more time consuming to diagnostic the circuitry if anything goes wrong in real world.
I'm interested to hear your reasoning around that Sean. Give us a specific example :) - Taz.
looks like 3d printed garbage
motorised1 Theyre actually really cool and if you get a chance to check one out in person someday I hope you will. No doubt you’ll think they’re at least “neat” and maybe even “badass!” We’re working hard for a nice textured finish on the production units.
re: "looks like 3d printed garbage" TRANSLATION: prototypes.
Not worth the money. They do not come with any sort of base programming and they fail to mention programming is an additional paid service...that is unless you want to learn arduino and figure it out yourself. Proper PDMs with proper programming and proper support have definitely made this outdated.