Why not just go play SoulCalibur if you want to play a fighting game primarily focused on swords? I like swinging big swords around myself (I'm an Ike main after all) but part of the fun of Smash is seeing so many different fighting styles clashing. You have swords, guns, martial artists, tiny electric rodents, fire-breathing dragons, princesses and astronauts yeeting plants... variety is the spice of life.
It’s honestly sad that Xenoblade’s reputation in the smash community is just a horny booba waifu game.I feel like that completely undermines the immense amount of work for the gameplay, story, character personalities and development, and insanely deep storyline that the dev team has put in for us.
I’m loving the switch to video essay style videos, and this was a good format allowing you to talk more about the game as a whole. Deffo a big fan of what you’re doing with your channel. Keep up the great work!
@@FerousFolly I was talking about his recent videos. You're right this one wasn't a video essay, but check his last 5-10 videos a bunch of them are. There's been a pretty clear change in the type of videos he's been making, and I think the change has been great.
@@MichaelGreen-vk5xq oh shit right you are, nevermind bro, I guess I haven't been keeping up. great to know, I'm actually a huge sucker for video essay channels, even my algorithm recognises that and regularly shows me tiny underrated channels who only do essay content.
15:28 I started going to tournaments as I improved at the game but I also love playing with items. I think more high-level players should try items because if you've seen any item combo videos, you'll know that high-level players are better at using them than casuals and I'd like to see more high-level item play. yes it's unbalanced and adds an element of randomness but they add so much depth to the game.
My hot take is that lobbies are way more fun than Quick Play for me personally. Even with stangers. I just like the options it provides over the standard Online mode.
I feel like the mob mentality one is definitely interesting, there's just so much in this world that we wouldn't care to look into and would rather just see what others think. That's why hours long retrospectives or movie reviews are so enticing even if you haven't interacted with the given franchise, it's someone going over what you generally need to know along with their thoughts on it. It's basically "I did/watched this thing so you don't have to". Obviously forming strong opinions on something *you've* never directly interacted with can be bad but sometimes you just can't help it.
21:06 This is an atrocious take. R.O.B. earned his spot by literally saving video games. Edit: My hot take is that there are way too many stereotypes and stigmas around maining certain characters. The stereotype for most JRPG characters are that only people who like their games play them but my sister has mained Shulk since Smash 4 despite never playing a Xenoblade game. Why? Because his Monado Arts are awesome and a good way to flex on lesser players. Because he’s fun to play as and against. Now I’m not as far from the stereotypes as her, not even close, but whenever another Sonic main does the stereotypical timeout I feel immeasurable disappointment. Maybe if people learned to use his numerous tools to run circles around opposing players he wouldn’t be stigmatized? His down-air is a great combo escape that can also be used to close in on unsuspecting opponents and his side/down-b chains into most of his other aerials. Heck, I’d be satisfying if more people realized that there’s a difference between dodging and running away. But alas the people who don’t exhibit his trademark bravery give us a bad name. That said I’m just as much a stereotypical Ganon main as I am a hype Sonic main so it’s not like I’m oh so special. 😅
My hot take: people talk way too much about how Ultimate has more "variety" in its characters and how it's more "balanced" than previous smash games (even HopCat says it at 27:50), but balance and variety don't mean much to me when so many of the characters are so LAME to play against or as. Seriously, how many times do you play online and are actually happy with every character you fight against? And guess what the most optimal counterplay is to all of these so-called balanced characters, it's to play EVEN LAMER against them
I feel thats a mindset issue. There are legitimately 3 matchups i truly dont enjoy playing and thats zelda, pythra, and steve. There are lame players of every charecter, but at the same time there are really hype players of every charecter if youre willing to find them
Yeah bro, over half the cast is lame as hell to fight for me. And I’ll get cheesed at like thirty and then I don’t wanna ever play the game again… which is why I play more with CPU’s now.
I played this one samus once who was really optimal I’m their projectile use, what should have been an awful experience was really fun because the challenge of getting in and around their amazing yet somewhat flawed gameplay was really fun. Yes lame characters are boring but if you just change your perspective it becomes much easier to not mald
In my opinion, I think DLC definitely did a number on Smash. From a competitive standpoint. Casually, in my opinion, I think it was an overall net positive. Not only did it keep people on the content hype train for this game, but it also gave them more chances to show how certain franchises still have their spots in gaming.
Honestly overall the DLC for ultimate have been very well balanced and some of the most fun characters in the whole cast. With obvious exceptions of course.
For custom moves they should limit it to one move per character and it's different for each character. Some might get a different up b, others a different side b and other's a different down b. (Or just one of each) Those are less moves you need to account for balancing than how 4 did it.
I think having one alternate for each special would be good, particularly for someone like Link bc there are a lot of people that like his current moveset bc it's what they're familiar with, but then you have the people that want his moves to be updated to more accurately reflect his more recent games. Letting the player pick between Hero's Spin and Revali's Gale, as an example, would be a good way to satisfy both parties. However, with customizable specials, you inevitably run into the complaint that your opponent has no idea what they're playing against or how to play around it until you actually use the move, so it would be interesting to see if they would try to make a (somewhat) clear UI showing what options people chose around the characters' portrait or if they would just let it be a surprise for people like the Miis.
@@david_vasseyThis is a much better way than 1 random move. It balances the workload, and adds variety. If you do it right a lot of moves could even have reused animations. Or if Smash was cool enough they could procedurally change or add moves for free on top of normal DLC. A man can hope.
16:15 this is another competitive thing, steves don't do flashy clips because its optimal to just mine and the cheese some one with blocks offstage, I feel there is an opportunity for a more aggressive flashy steve but you would have to risk going for it, and generally if you are winning tournaments you don't want to risk losing your income on an off meta idea
7:07 The thing about DLC, is that they are just better than a normal character in most aspects half the time, DLCs need to be tuned down a lot. Examples of good DLC charactets would be like terry, kazuya, and byleth. They are actually possible to play against AND are fun, examples of DLC that aren't broken but also not fun: banjo, sora, minmin. The three before (terry, kazuya, byleth) really hit a good balance of a strong fighter thats still possible to play and have fun against.
Kazuya is definitely not a good example of a well designed DLC. They are very hard to use properly, but when they are used properly they are hugely polarizing and miserable to fight against. Nobody loves touch of death characters.
@@TheEmperorGulcasaconsidering the game's class system, I'd say Noah and/or Mio could use at least the weapons of the main 6 characters for some of their moves for variety
I think the problem with the view of the Xenoblade popularity is that the Smash western fanbase doesn't like the games or the characters too much, but broadly they actually are pretty popular games. XC2 had lifetime sales of around the 2-3 million mark, and XC3 is also on the way to reaching that point. It's in about the same overall sales ballpark as Fire Emblem, and is now treated as a mainline RPG series for Nintendo. Pyra and Mythra were also the most popular character in all of Ultimate in Japan after their launch. They were still the most popular character in the entire roster post Sora's addition, so it wasn't flash in the pan popularity over there either. So, similar to Hero, they are hugely popular, just not with the western crowd that conversely shit themselves over Banjo, that much of the eastern audience snoozed on. Worldwide Xenoblade is a quite popular series and has much more relevance than series that were popular a long time ago but haven't had any modern day success like, say, Star Fox. Hell, Metroid Dread didn't turn hugely higher numbers despite how high it's franchise recognition is.
I assure you that is (most likely) what they mean. That spike was literally guaranteed after Bowser missed the tech, since Bowser was too far to recover.
13:25 I agree! The problem isn't the number of Fire Emblem reps, the problem is the number of similar sword users. Add a lance user like Ephraim or Azura (or give Lucina the lance from her brave alt in Heroes), add an axe user like Hector or Edelgard (or give Ike the axe from his brave alt in Heroes), add another magic character like Micaiah or Veyle, and ditch all of the Marth clones. Boom, problem solved.
Funnily enough, that technically means Corrin should stay as a sword/dragonstone user, and who plays as a swordsman who pokes sometimes with draconic limbs.
@@iantaakalla8180 I agree, Corrin is one that should stay because their moveset is actually unique and creative. It's just Roy, Chrom, and (unless they do the idea I mentioned about her brave alt from Heroes) Lucina that are redundant and need to go.
I really enjoyed this video. This style of video is pretty unique, super chill, and suits you well. It feels like its very natural for you. Also, fun editing and the banter between you and your editor was great.
Fire Emblem is a franchise that's almost 3 decades old, with almost 2 dozen games and hundreds of different unique characters to choose from. 8 reps would be perfectly believable for the franchise... if half of them weren't just Marth, Red Marth, Girl Marth, and DILF Marth.
As a Bowser main, Leon makes the character look epic. The confirms and low percent combos along with some silly moves and a shield break make him peak like Ganon, but no one knows or cares Bowser has combos or confirms. Also due to Bowser’s lack of multiple combos, top Bowsers must constantly improvise and adapt. Sometimes Bowser is better aggressive, sometimes he’s better defensively, and there’s a healthy yet changing midpoint of how fast/slow to play Also Bowser is funny
8:25 As someone who does youtube, I can safely say the hype for Sora was there. I'm a small channel, and that managed to easily become my highest video video within a month
Okay, hot take of mine, slightly agreeing with the olimar gag at the end. Olimar actually is alot cooler of a smash charachter beneath the surface with the resource management. Fun to watch? That part i disagree with, but as a pikmin fan I am happy with him in smash regardless
Great video but good lord the Xenoblade stigma is strong, they are absolutely fantastic games with many great features (gameplay, ost, story (!) etc.). A shame most people just shrug them off as “anime waifu” games, which is probably only really accurate for XC2
Xenoblade 3 is my all time favorite game, so you bet your ass i want Noah and/or Mio in the next Smash game. Now, even if they don't make it in some music from 3 HAS to be in the next game, i want those Aionios beats in Smash NOW! I'm talking Keves/Agnus battle theme, Tactical action, Vs moebius, You Will know our names-finale, Immediate Threat, New Battle!, Alpha the divine end, the fogbeast theme (i know it's technically from Future Connected, but it's in Future Redeemed, shut up), Kaleidoscopic core, Brilliant wings, ALL of it!
At 1:38 for the editor: it's a meme in the persona 5 community, someone made parody videos of the game where they named the MC this way and it caught on
I can agree with olimar not being super cool to watch, but I feel more people should give actually playing him a shot, I think some people comlain WAY too hard over him
Yeah, Olimar isn't necessary cool to watch, but playing as him just feels right. I might have a bit bias since he's one of my mains, but even then I've seen most people also think that Olimar's a pretty good character.
I’m just kinda learning that hopcat isn’t really a fan of any franchise in particular but Pokémon and smash which makes it funny to like, tally the amount of times he says “I don’t know this franchise” lmao
20:00 the wavedash was never an exploit, not even in melee, it was found by the devs while they were programming and they didn't patch it out because they didn't think it would be something bad. Asumsaus has a good video on that.
bro best sponsor segment ever watching hop promote that kind of game is hilarious not my kind of game but the segment was so funny i almost want to get it just to support hop
I agree with Nakat. Sora is the funnest character to play in the game and my personal favorite. I would say he's a fair bit funner to play than to watch, though. Spellswords are my favorite character archetype, and mastering Magic in combination with Sora's unique floaty movement and recovery is satisfying.
Honestly, I've never understood how Sora is considered "lame" I'm not about to baselessely claim he is the greatest fighter to watch period but, I never look at Sora gameplay and think "I am DISGUSTED!!!"
You cannot underrate Subspace Emissary, the cutscenes and the story are genuinely fantastic, the way the characters interact is amazing. The levels and locations are cool, the bosses are big and bad, and finally beating the final boss Tabuu was huge for young me (I didn't know how to dodge so it took a while)
Side note on the Sombra Overwatch thing at the start: last update they literally just entirely changed her, but now she is the problem, so I'm sure we'll see her get nerfed again in the near future lol.
Xenoblade 2 and 3 are my #1 favorite games ever. 1 and X are good, but I don’t like the UI for the battle system and for some reason I couldn’t emotionally connect with the stories like 2 and 3
Love this idea. Here's my hot take: smash NEEDS characters who are bad and/or use cheese to win. If every character is on an even playing field, the competitive scene would be boring and the average player would be far more frustrated with losing knowing that it's 100% their own lack of skill. If everyone is super, no one is.
If we get a Xenoblade 3 rep for the next Smash, like I want, would probably want it to be Mio over Noah ‘cause she would have a unique main weapon and not another sword.
True, and he’d be a unique sword-fighter for it. But the sword would still be used a lot. Mio would just be more interesting to me! Lot more rushdown focused and agile!
@@insomniacnerd5592 Hear me out: Both of them in the game, they Switch through Ouroboros Pyra and Mythra style, and they both have the class switch, Noah has Keves classes, Mio has Agnus classes.
13:17 "just space you moves" meanwhile cloud up-b's literally any non swordy with max spacing out of shield. Yeah I know spacing is important but it's rendered null by some of the out of shield options (Cloud up b, Game and Watch up b, to name some big problem out of shield monsters).
I'd say Final Smashs could actually balance the game, if you had an exact number, that can't increase and you could just activate them by pressing ZL and ZR simultaneously at any given time. Imagine the combos if everyone could just suddenly final smash. It would definitely be better than the smash ball that benefits the last hit, rather than who did the most damage to it and the smash meter rewards you for losing, which is always bad.
Perhaps it's a hot take, ROB was a fantastic addition to Smash. ROB basically saved not just Nintendo, but video games as a whole in the 80s Plus, if you're a fan of the Angry Video Game Nerd (AVGN) you've seen episode 100 and know ROB is great (and evil)
Steve takes skill to play, but he has very little counter play. Even if effective counterplay is eventually developed. It doesnt change that top level steve is unfairly dominant and could hurt the health and interest in the game depending on his abundance.
The issue with steve and watching is that, let's face it, the audience does not care about how "unfair" it is, the issue is that its optimal to play steve lame rather than using the insane potential that blocks have for insane setups, steve mains just don't want to risk it but it would be interesting if one really decided to give the camp and cheese a rest and started using the potential of the character.
I didn't think about it at the time but here's my (maybe hot) take : Final smashes shoud be more balanced and a part of competitive. It's kinda sad that one of the best moves to reference a character's origin game is never seen in competitive just because some of them are too powerful and others are so weak it's sad. I think they should be re-made in the next game to be less rare and more balanced, to the point that it's not game changing but really rewarding Edit : Oh wait someone else said it, I didn't watch the whole video when posting that 😅
The ‘Ultimate’ iteration of the series doesn’t even have a solid round number of 100 fighters. 99, 100, or 101 would have been such a good note to attach to the game.
14:18 Ngl I didn’t think my take would be that cold cuz like almost everyone around me thinks Bowser has sauce and has argued against me for saying he has less sauce than most zoners, but I’m glad I have people agreeing with me here 🙃
20:00 This. This is what Rare and the sea of thieves community needs to understand. Just to summarise those who don’t know, sea of thieves has some glitches that everyone could use and learn that helped you in a game where all players have the same tools to beat someone else. A brand new player could come into the game and they have the same ship and weapons as someone that’s been playing since the start of the game. The only difference between the new and old player in the game is the skill and knowledge. Now sea of thieves is a pretty broken game, but in a cool way. There was (and still are) some glitches that can help you get the a small advantage over your opponent and everyone could do them if they put in the time. Double gunning was a glitch where you could shoot both guns you have in a pretty short amount of time, and wasn’t super difficult to do, just some fast button presses but nothing crazy. This was patched pretty recently and it divided the community between casuals and pvpers. Boat launches are still in the game, they allow you to get high amounts of speed through the water and allow you to get really really far away into someone who is trying to run from you. They tried patching this and it’s still in the game. Some people consider this cheating, I personally don’t. There are kinda some frame rate requirements for this to work but considering the fact that you deal with hackers and now cannon glitches that don’t allow you to launch properly out of ships is really infuriating. Also the fact that there is counter play to it (they still need to climb the ladder, you can hear their mermaid and when they board you just ladder guard them) doesn’t make it an op thing. The sea of thieves community has been kinda “dying” bit by bit (not because of this but it doesn’t help) and hearing you say this is kinda what I had in my mind but I couldn’t put it into words. I don’t know if anyone plays sea of thieves here XD just wanted to rant about it
Sora is 100% fun to play and watch. This is not bait, just because people play characters like braindead idiots on wi-fi doesn't make them bad characters. Ness is a pain in the ass online, but is decently fun to play and his top players are legitimately super hype. Same deal with Sora. He's a well rounded character with decent neutral, good recovery, good edgeguarding, and some of the coolest and most flexible loops in the game. Kameme's Sora is a blast to watch and I will not accept otherwise. And I do not main this character for clarification, I want too, but I am dogshit at consistent IDJ combos. But I still like the character a lot and if I get better at IDJs I would definitely play him on the side.
Hot take: the roster should be small but every character should have a ton of stuff put into them - like Steve/Kazuya and it would function sort of like rock paper scissors. Where 1 character specifically beats another (on paper) but they’re all god
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Hoppeth cathmire III should start modeling. Please run for office.
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Legitimately like this game not just because I’m a horny lil bastard. Seeing a game I enjoy sponsor a creator I enjoy is like a marriage
Never expected this game to sponser anyone
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"Game would be better with only sword characters". That would be a hilarious mod idea, every character gets a sword and those with a sword get two.
Longer sword
Why not just go play SoulCalibur if you want to play a fighting game primarily focused on swords? I like swinging big swords around myself (I'm an Ike main after all) but part of the fun of Smash is seeing so many different fighting styles clashing. You have swords, guns, martial artists, tiny electric rodents, fire-breathing dragons, princesses and astronauts yeeting plants... variety is the spice of life.
it’s called soul caliber
Gnw or pika with a sword is cursed
Plant sword
I can't believe the origin of dribbling the basketball is someone finding a loophole of passing the ball to yourself
You can’t run from Xenoblade forever
Exactly
Call me xenophobic cause im still running hehe. Wait
We need to show him a thing or three
It’s honestly sad that Xenoblade’s reputation in the smash community is just a horny booba waifu game.I feel like that completely undermines the immense amount of work for the gameplay, story, character personalities and development, and insanely deep storyline that the dev team has put in for us.
@@LleytonSPDi don't blame most people for thinking that its weeb bait because XC2 exists
I’m loving the switch to video essay style videos, and this was a good format allowing you to talk more about the game as a whole. Deffo a big fan of what you’re doing with your channel. Keep up the great work!
fyi this is commentary content, not essay. no disrespect tho, I agree with the change
@@FerousFolly I was talking about his recent videos. You're right this one wasn't a video essay, but check his last 5-10 videos a bunch of them are. There's been a pretty clear change in the type of videos he's been making, and I think the change has been great.
@@MichaelGreen-vk5xq oh shit right you are, nevermind bro, I guess I haven't been keeping up. great to know, I'm actually a huge sucker for video essay channels, even my algorithm recognises that and regularly shows me tiny underrated channels who only do essay content.
@@FerousFolly you're good!
15:28 I started going to tournaments as I improved at the game but I also love playing with items. I think more high-level players should try items because if you've seen any item combo videos, you'll know that high-level players are better at using them than casuals and I'd like to see more high-level item play. yes it's unbalanced and adds an element of randomness but they add so much depth to the game.
My hot take is that lobbies are way more fun than Quick Play for me personally. Even with stangers. I just like the options it provides over the standard Online mode.
I agree, and I like having more communication options with the people I'm playing, including taunts (respectfully).
I wouldn’t call this a hot take, quick play is such a mess lmao
@@mrelectrodude9391 Yeah that's fair. I just never really see anyone talk about lobbies that often and when they do use them, it's with friends.
Freezing take
I feel like the mob mentality one is definitely interesting, there's just so much in this world that we wouldn't care to look into and would rather just see what others think. That's why hours long retrospectives or movie reviews are so enticing even if you haven't interacted with the given franchise, it's someone going over what you generally need to know along with their thoughts on it. It's basically "I did/watched this thing so you don't have to". Obviously forming strong opinions on something *you've* never directly interacted with can be bad but sometimes you just can't help it.
21:06
This is an atrocious take. R.O.B. earned his spot by literally saving video games.
Edit: My hot take is that there are way too many stereotypes and stigmas around maining certain characters. The stereotype for most JRPG characters are that only people who like their games play them but my sister has mained Shulk since Smash 4 despite never playing a Xenoblade game. Why? Because his Monado Arts are awesome and a good way to flex on lesser players. Because he’s fun to play as and against.
Now I’m not as far from the stereotypes as her, not even close, but whenever another Sonic main does the stereotypical timeout I feel immeasurable disappointment. Maybe if people learned to use his numerous tools to run circles around opposing players he wouldn’t be stigmatized? His down-air is a great combo escape that can also be used to close in on unsuspecting opponents and his side/down-b chains into most of his other aerials. Heck, I’d be satisfying if more people realized that there’s a difference between dodging and running away. But alas the people who don’t exhibit his trademark bravery give us a bad name.
That said I’m just as much a stereotypical Ganon main as I am a hype Sonic main so it’s not like I’m oh so special. 😅
I main Kazuya and… yeah I just mash zap punch till it hits and then I kill you. I just think it’s really funny.
@@RNGuice :(
I main Falcon and fish for stomp knee
no-one believes in those steriotypes they're just funny
calling 2nd graders old is a certified smash moment
Competetive Smash flashbacks ensue*
H0t!
I mean hamsters can only live for about a third of that, so...
is there an inside joke that i don't get with smash and pedos?
@@raphaelchan7574That doesn’t equate to age.
My hot take: people talk way too much about how Ultimate has more "variety" in its characters and how it's more "balanced" than previous smash games (even HopCat says it at 27:50), but balance and variety don't mean much to me when so many of the characters are so LAME to play against or as. Seriously, how many times do you play online and are actually happy with every character you fight against? And guess what the most optimal counterplay is to all of these so-called balanced characters, it's to play EVEN LAMER against them
That seems similar to the cold take he opened with
I feel thats a mindset issue. There are legitimately 3 matchups i truly dont enjoy playing and thats zelda, pythra, and steve. There are lame players of every charecter, but at the same time there are really hype players of every charecter if youre willing to find them
Yeah bro, over half the cast is lame as hell to fight for me. And I’ll get cheesed at like thirty and then I don’t wanna ever play the game again… which is why I play more with CPU’s now.
Yeah there’s like 10 characters in the game that are genuine fun to play against online
I played this one samus once who was really optimal I’m their projectile use, what should have been an awful experience was really fun because the challenge of getting in and around their amazing yet somewhat flawed gameplay was really fun. Yes lame characters are boring but if you just change your perspective it becomes much easier to not mald
In my opinion, I think DLC definitely did a number on Smash.
From a competitive standpoint.
Casually, in my opinion, I think it was an overall net positive.
Not only did it keep people on the content hype train for this game, but it also gave them more chances to show how certain franchises still have their spots in gaming.
Honestly overall the DLC for ultimate have been very well balanced and some of the most fun characters in the whole cast. With obvious exceptions of course.
For custom moves they should limit it to one move per character and it's different for each character. Some might get a different up b, others a different side b and other's a different down b. (Or just one of each) Those are less moves you need to account for balancing than how 4 did it.
I think having one alternate for each special would be good, particularly for someone like Link bc there are a lot of people that like his current moveset bc it's what they're familiar with, but then you have the people that want his moves to be updated to more accurately reflect his more recent games. Letting the player pick between Hero's Spin and Revali's Gale, as an example, would be a good way to satisfy both parties.
However, with customizable specials, you inevitably run into the complaint that your opponent has no idea what they're playing against or how to play around it until you actually use the move, so it would be interesting to see if they would try to make a (somewhat) clear UI showing what options people chose around the characters' portrait or if they would just let it be a surprise for people like the Miis.
@@david_vasseyThis is a much better way than 1 random move. It balances the workload, and adds variety.
If you do it right a lot of moves could even have reused animations. Or if Smash was cool enough they could procedurally change or add moves for free on top of normal DLC. A man can hope.
16:15 this is another competitive thing, steves don't do flashy clips because its optimal to just mine and the cheese some one with blocks offstage, I feel there is an opportunity for a more aggressive flashy steve but you would have to risk going for it, and generally if you are winning tournaments you don't want to risk losing your income on an off meta idea
16:01 "Smash is about having fun" *shows a clip of Issabelle ledgetrapping*
"You can win a local with Ganon, but when everyone else is as elite as you, you're just handicapping yourself"
Best quote ever, Gluttony proves this
7:07 The thing about DLC, is that they are just better than a normal character in most aspects half the time, DLCs need to be tuned down a lot. Examples of good DLC charactets would be like terry, kazuya, and byleth. They are actually possible to play against AND are fun, examples of DLC that aren't broken but also not fun: banjo, sora, minmin. The three before (terry, kazuya, byleth) really hit a good balance of a strong fighter thats still possible to play and have fun against.
Replace Kazuya with Sephiroth and you’re spitting facts
I never saw someone being happy to fight Kazuya lmao
Kazuya is definitely not a good example of a well designed DLC. They are very hard to use properly, but when they are used properly they are hugely polarizing and miserable to fight against. Nobody loves touch of death characters.
@@TheEmperorGulcasaWell the one on the Kazuya side of the controller is having fun… until they get hit upwards
A Xenoblade 3 rep means more Xenoblade music, which is a good thing. Matthew from the DLC would be a fun addition, since he is not a swordfighter.
There's really no chance an XC3 rep wouldn't be Noa or at most Mio.
@@TheEmperorGulcasaconsidering the game's class system, I'd say Noah and/or Mio could use at least the weapons of the main 6 characters for some of their moves for variety
I love Bailout's edits to HopCat's disses on Xenoblade lol
I saw the edit at 12:31 and thought of that kelski joke: “I would never buy tha-wait why is my wallet opening”
I think the problem with the view of the Xenoblade popularity is that the Smash western fanbase doesn't like the games or the characters too much, but broadly they actually are pretty popular games. XC2 had lifetime sales of around the 2-3 million mark, and XC3 is also on the way to reaching that point. It's in about the same overall sales ballpark as Fire Emblem, and is now treated as a mainline RPG series for Nintendo. Pyra and Mythra were also the most popular character in all of Ultimate in Japan after their launch. They were still the most popular character in the entire roster post Sora's addition, so it wasn't flash in the pan popularity over there either. So, similar to Hero, they are hugely popular, just not with the western crowd that conversely shit themselves over Banjo, that much of the eastern audience snoozed on. Worldwide Xenoblade is a quite popular series and has much more relevance than series that were popular a long time ago but haven't had any modern day success like, say, Star Fox. Hell, Metroid Dread didn't turn hugely higher numbers despite how high it's franchise recognition is.
We have shulk and aegis. And aegis appears in every top 8 nowadays. We do not need more Xenoblade reps.
@@rickykim1689 Fire Emblem has like a million reps. XC sells about the same ballpark. It can afford to have a 3rd rep since it's a trilogy.
@@TheEmperorGulcasa tbf, i dont think fe needs that many in the first place
@@rickykim1689Sure, but I'm pretty sure FE won't get cut down to 2. 3 is like the bare minimum they keep.
24:55 I think they meant a random spike, zach's offstage combo into down air was actually cool.
I assure you that is (most likely) what they mean. That spike was literally guaranteed after Bowser missed the tech, since Bowser was too far to recover.
13:25 I agree! The problem isn't the number of Fire Emblem reps, the problem is the number of similar sword users. Add a lance user like Ephraim or Azura (or give Lucina the lance from her brave alt in Heroes), add an axe user like Hector or Edelgard (or give Ike the axe from his brave alt in Heroes), add another magic character like Micaiah or Veyle, and ditch all of the Marth clones. Boom, problem solved.
I think they should really go out of their way to differentiate them if there is a next game, and or add more unique ones. Like Alucard.
Funnily enough, that technically means Corrin should stay as a sword/dragonstone user, and who plays as a swordsman who pokes sometimes with draconic limbs.
@@iantaakalla8180 I agree, Corrin is one that should stay because their moveset is actually unique and creative. It's just Roy, Chrom, and (unless they do the idea I mentioned about her brave alt from Heroes) Lucina that are redundant and need to go.
@@calamelli209 you realize ike can actually just use axes in one of his home games, right?
I really enjoyed this video. This style of video is pretty unique, super chill, and suits you well. It feels like its very natural for you. Also, fun editing and the banter between you and your editor was great.
Bailout(the editor) is so based and I absolutely respect him
Xenoblade fans rise up
Never thought I’d see hop not fighting the fire emblem take but fighting the Xenoblade take 😭
Fire Emblem is a franchise that's almost 3 decades old, with almost 2 dozen games and hundreds of different unique characters to choose from. 8 reps would be perfectly believable for the franchise... if half of them weren't just Marth, Red Marth, Girl Marth, and DILF Marth.
@@calamelli209 Hey, Roy is important to the history of the series, and Lucina is a harmless echo fighter.
The video that mentioned basketball was a unintended movement option is Core-a-gaming’s video “The Korean Backdash”
That's the one! Thanks
As a Bowser main, Leon makes the character look epic. The confirms and low percent combos along with some silly moves and a shield break make him peak like Ganon, but no one knows or cares Bowser has combos or confirms. Also due to Bowser’s lack of multiple combos, top Bowsers must constantly improvise and adapt. Sometimes Bowser is better aggressive, sometimes he’s better defensively, and there’s a healthy yet changing midpoint of how fast/slow to play
Also Bowser is funny
The only thing this video was missing was a final frame of the editor telling Hop to play Xenoblade...
I was thinking about it LMAO
You should make more of these.
Easy to pop out consistently and is a popular style of content that usually get decent views.
"Sora is fun to play and watch" who hurt you?
8:25 As someone who does youtube, I can safely say the hype for Sora was there. I'm a small channel, and that managed to easily become my highest video video within a month
Okay, hot take of mine, slightly agreeing with the olimar gag at the end.
Olimar actually is alot cooler of a smash charachter beneath the surface with the resource management.
Fun to watch? That part i disagree with, but as a pikmin fan I am happy with him in smash regardless
Great video but good lord the Xenoblade stigma is strong, they are absolutely fantastic games with many great features (gameplay, ost, story (!) etc.). A shame most people just shrug them off as “anime waifu” games, which is probably only really accurate for XC2
Yeahhhh the final DLC ending for Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is uhhh… something else for sure.
11:04 blud really hit the character limit 💀
I have never played a Xenoblade game, and I do agree we need 1 from every game, but that would depend on the next game’s roster size
Tournaments should include smash balls. Just for the moments.
Xenoblade 3 is my all time favorite game, so you bet your ass i want Noah and/or Mio in the next Smash game.
Now, even if they don't make it in some music from 3 HAS to be in the next game, i want those Aionios beats in Smash NOW! I'm talking Keves/Agnus battle theme, Tactical action, Vs moebius, You Will know our names-finale, Immediate Threat, New Battle!, Alpha the divine end, the fogbeast theme (i know it's technically from Future Connected, but it's in Future Redeemed, shut up), Kaleidoscopic core, Brilliant wings, ALL of it!
IDK if they would add all of those, but yeah it'd be hella cool to hear them in game.
Hop and the editors beef in this vid was hilarious😂😂
Doesn't play Xenoblade, while xenoblade music plays in the background.
That was prob the editor's choice. 💀
I really commend the music choice for this video, very distinguishable compared to many smash videos and helps with the entertainment value a lot
It's always cool watching Hopcat after watching poppt1 , they compensate each other
2:35 “quick interruption, I just fired my editor” (Joke)
Greninja mains have a 75-80% chance they also enjoy playing the Naruto fighting games
At 1:38 for the editor: it's a meme in the persona 5 community, someone made parody videos of the game where they named the MC this way and it caught on
Maturing in smash is realizing Olimar is hype 🗿
i promise i’m not an olimar main i’m just a dabuz stan
I can agree with olimar not being super cool to watch, but I feel more people should give actually playing him a shot, I think some people comlain WAY too hard over him
Yeah, Olimar isn't necessary cool to watch, but playing as him just feels right. I might have a bit bias since he's one of my mains, but even then I've seen most people also think that Olimar's a pretty good character.
Having seen ads for Isrkai Slow Live I nearly choked on my beverage hearing you being sponsored by them.
I’m just kinda learning that hopcat isn’t really a fan of any franchise in particular but Pokémon and smash which makes it funny to like, tally the amount of times he says “I don’t know this franchise” lmao
“What can Metal Sonic do?” You want my list?
4:30 I love when editors do this 😂
I need Noah in the next smash game Xenoblade 3 was so amazing
Cheers, i'll drink to that!
Three Houses is unironically my second favorite game
20:35 Probably Secret Base. They have tons of videos on rules and exploits in sports, and I do remember they made one about dribbling.
10:26 I agree it is a human thing. But the overall maturity of the Smash Community makes it REALLY hard to have your own opinion.
15:00 SO HAPPY SOMEONE SAID THIS.
26:57 I’d go further. I’d argue that 25-30 characters are viable.
I want to see a casual tier list.
Like little mac, k rool and such being top tier bc in causal they're actually good lol
Oh yeah, and bayo being the worst bcuz no one know how to play her
My hot take is that I would rather have more drastic balance patches that changed the meta than barely recognizable DLC
20:00 the wavedash was never an exploit, not even in melee, it was found by the devs while they were programming and they didn't patch it out because they didn't think it would be something bad. Asumsaus has a good video on that.
bro best sponsor segment ever watching hop promote that kind of game is hilarious
not my kind of game but the segment was so funny i almost want to get it just to support hop
2:34 First time I’ve ever heard such honest words for a sponsor 👏👏
Bailout out here keeping him honest 😂
"If Smash Bros was a child, it'd be in Grade 2."
Grade 1. It would be in grade 1. Typically, it's 4-5 for Kindergarten, and 5-6 for Grade One.
I agree with Nakat. Sora is the funnest character to play in the game and my personal favorite. I would say he's a fair bit funner to play than to watch, though. Spellswords are my favorite character archetype, and mastering Magic in combination with Sora's unique floaty movement and recovery is satisfying.
Honestly, I've never understood how Sora is considered "lame" I'm not about to baselessely claim he is the greatest fighter to watch period but, I never look at Sora gameplay and think "I am DISGUSTED!!!"
This editor was hilarious 🤣
Crazy how Sora was so hyped, yet now I barely see anyone play him and he just feels so lame.
You cannot underrate Subspace Emissary, the cutscenes and the story are genuinely fantastic, the way the characters interact is amazing. The levels and locations are cool, the bosses are big and bad, and finally beating the final boss Tabuu was huge for young me (I didn't know how to dodge so it took a while)
0:10 it will be 5 in 2 months, not 6
My idea as to why R.O.B got into smash was because they needed robot enemies for subspace.
My hot take (or maybe room temperature take): Low tiers are hype to watch, at least for me
You're ROCKING this haircut. Looking good :)
it's funny to think that seeing the video, 2 minutes after the release, nobody has seen the end and are probably along side me right now.
Side note on the Sombra Overwatch thing at the start: last update they literally just entirely changed her, but now she is the problem, so I'm sure we'll see her get nerfed again in the near future lol.
Xenoblade 2 and 3 are my #1 favorite games ever.
1 and X are good, but I don’t like the UI for the battle system and for some reason I couldn’t emotionally connect with the stories like 2 and 3
For me, it's 3>1>2>X
I do kinda have bias for 1 since I played it first, but 1>3>2. (I still gotta finish X... 😭)
Love this idea. Here's my hot take: smash NEEDS characters who are bad and/or use cheese to win. If every character is on an even playing field, the competitive scene would be boring and the average player would be far more frustrated with losing knowing that it's 100% their own lack of skill. If everyone is super, no one is.
I mean yeah, but it kinda goes both ways in ultimate because everyone IS super, and everyone CAN fuck you like R-Kelly with a child.
If we get a Xenoblade 3 rep for the next Smash, like I want, would probably want it to be Mio over Noah ‘cause she would have a unique main weapon and not another sword.
Nia pfp so based
Or, you know, it could be Noah using the whole class switching shtick making him have so many other weapons on top Lucky Seven
True, and he’d be a unique sword-fighter for it. But the sword would still be used a lot.
Mio would just be more interesting to me! Lot more rushdown focused and agile!
Best girl.
@@insomniacnerd5592 Hear me out: Both of them in the game, they Switch through Ouroboros Pyra and Mythra style, and they both have the class switch, Noah has Keves classes, Mio has Agnus classes.
13:17 "just space you moves" meanwhile cloud up-b's literally any non swordy with max spacing out of shield. Yeah I know spacing is important but it's rendered null by some of the out of shield options (Cloud up b, Game and Watch up b, to name some big problem out of shield monsters).
I'd say Final Smashs could actually balance the game, if you had an exact number, that can't increase and you could just activate them by pressing ZL and ZR simultaneously at any given time.
Imagine the combos if everyone could just suddenly final smash.
It would definitely be better than the smash ball that benefits the last hit, rather than who did the most damage to it and the smash meter rewards you for losing, which is always bad.
The guy that said WoL is better than Subspace💀💀💀💀💀
Good news, full body suits are illegal in Olympic swimming. We should ban Ganon.
Unrelated but bros looking majestic with the long ruffled hair
Perhaps it's a hot take, ROB was a fantastic addition to Smash. ROB basically saved not just Nintendo, but video games as a whole in the 80s
Plus, if you're a fan of the Angry Video Game Nerd (AVGN) you've seen episode 100 and know ROB is great (and evil)
Steve takes skill to play, but he has very little counter play.
Even if effective counterplay is eventually developed. It doesnt change that top level steve is unfairly dominant and could hurt the health and interest in the game depending on his abundance.
Kinda like Meepo and Invoker in Dota 2
The issue with steve and watching is that, let's face it, the audience does not care about how "unfair" it is, the issue is that its optimal to play steve lame rather than using the insane potential that blocks have for insane setups, steve mains just don't want to risk it but it would be interesting if one really decided to give the camp and cheese a rest and started using the potential of the character.
Editor violated Sparg0 and Poppt1
I didn't think about it at the time but here's my (maybe hot) take :
Final smashes shoud be more balanced and a part of competitive. It's kinda sad that one of the best moves to reference a character's origin game is never seen in competitive just because some of them are too powerful and others are so weak it's sad. I think they should be re-made in the next game to be less rare and more balanced, to the point that it's not game changing but really rewarding
Edit : Oh wait someone else said it, I didn't watch the whole video when posting that 😅
Dude, your hair is looking fucking fire right now. Why the hell did you ever keep it short. People kill for hair like that.
The ‘Ultimate’ iteration of the series doesn’t even have a solid round number of 100 fighters. 99, 100, or 101 would have been such a good note to attach to the game.
14:18 Ngl I didn’t think my take would be that cold cuz like almost everyone around me thinks Bowser has sauce and has argued against me for saying he has less sauce than most zoners, but I’m glad I have people agreeing with me here 🙃
20:00
This. This is what Rare and the sea of thieves community needs to understand.
Just to summarise those who don’t know, sea of thieves has some glitches that everyone could use and learn that helped you in a game where all players have the same tools to beat someone else. A brand new player could come into the game and they have the same ship and weapons as someone that’s been playing since the start of the game. The only difference between the new and old player in the game is the skill and knowledge.
Now sea of thieves is a pretty broken game, but in a cool way. There was (and still are) some glitches that can help you get the a small advantage over your opponent and everyone could do them if they put in the time. Double gunning was a glitch where you could shoot both guns you have in a pretty short amount of time, and wasn’t super difficult to do, just some fast button presses but nothing crazy. This was patched pretty recently and it divided the community between casuals and pvpers.
Boat launches are still in the game, they allow you to get high amounts of speed through the water and allow you to get really really far away into someone who is trying to run from you. They tried patching this and it’s still in the game. Some people consider this cheating, I personally don’t. There are kinda some frame rate requirements for this to work but considering the fact that you deal with hackers and now cannon glitches that don’t allow you to launch properly out of ships is really infuriating. Also the fact that there is counter play to it (they still need to climb the ladder, you can hear their mermaid and when they board you just ladder guard them) doesn’t make it an op thing.
The sea of thieves community has been kinda “dying” bit by bit (not because of this but it doesn’t help) and hearing you say this is kinda what I had in my mind but I couldn’t put it into words.
I don’t know if anyone plays sea of thieves here XD just wanted to rant about it
It only took Olimar to have Hopcat end the video. Pretty sure he hates him more than Kazuya 😂
Cause Kazuya makes you feel bad or dumb, but oilmar makes you wanna die😵💫
@@RNGuice Lmao good point
17:20
wasn't there like a saga of Melee Yoshi becoming a better tier because 1 guy decided to win a tournament with him?
Amsa, the red yoshi
@@MarioSMG64 yeah that's the one
My bro is lookin' uncanny and malnourished
Sora is 100% fun to play and watch. This is not bait, just because people play characters like braindead idiots on wi-fi doesn't make them bad characters. Ness is a pain in the ass online, but is decently fun to play and his top players are legitimately super hype.
Same deal with Sora. He's a well rounded character with decent neutral, good recovery, good edgeguarding, and some of the coolest and most flexible loops in the game. Kameme's Sora is a blast to watch and I will not accept otherwise.
And I do not main this character for clarification, I want too, but I am dogshit at consistent IDJ combos. But I still like the character a lot and if I get better at IDJs I would definitely play him on the side.
Wave dashing was intended and the devs noticed it before the first release
Hwat does one mean? So you mean they just like fucked it up afterwards?
@@RNGuice The devs noticed wave dashing and thought it would be a cool mechanic for melee
@@JanelBurgan Oh yeah in melee Sakurai actually made a blog post about how Luigi could slide around
@@RNGuice and do something called backdashing
brig meta breaks the game: takes them at least six months to do something about it
Hot take: the roster should be small but every character should have a ton of stuff put into them - like Steve/Kazuya and it would function sort of like rock paper scissors. Where 1 character specifically beats another (on paper) but they’re all god
I feel like if they add more Xenoblade, it’s gonna turn into another fire emblem in smash situation
15:50 I simply want to be the best, like no one ever was
I’m a pkmon trainer main
Pretty sure the video about dribbling youre talking about is ''The korean backdash'' by Core-A gaming. Banger video
Like the concept of this video, would love to see more. Also, I think the editor is trying to get a message across, not sure though...😂