CARMEN | Elizabeth of York & Henry VII (& Richard III)

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  • @Zaramakeupartist
    @Zaramakeupartist 4 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    The words she said to her mother about Arthur at 0:04 IDK is it historically accurate or not, but in fact Arthur died in the young age was so heartbreaking. Imagine if that really what she said about Arthur and her hatred towards her own baby inside her belly, but when she started to love him until he grew up and Arthur died absolutely broke her heart.. 💔

    • @Melanie-jy2nw
      @Melanie-jy2nw 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Don’t worry it isn’t historically accurate. I doubt she loved the guy that had her two little brothers “disappear” because he wanted their throne.

    • @anakinloveful
      @anakinloveful 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@Melanie-jy2nw And was her own uncle, brother of her father. I do not think she ever think of him other as uncle

    • @kathrynorozco5416
      @kathrynorozco5416 ปีที่แล้ว

      You mean Richard

  • @balthiersgirl2658
    @balthiersgirl2658 4 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    I honestly think Richard was in love with Elizabeth but after Ann's death as looking for comfort in his loneliness

    • @janefelix3821
      @janefelix3821 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yes, and it would help him keep the crown. If they legitimized Edward's marriage (his brother) then Lizzie would be in line for the crown, but many York nobles did not like the idea of a female monarch so that would solve the issue, Lizzie would be Queen Consort and on the throne. Since Richard died about 4 months after his wife the marriage never took place.

  • @aycatan9389
    @aycatan9389 3 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    This just threw me right back into my feels. Aneurin and Freya did such a great job they made you want them to be together... Will they ever let me go?

  • @jellyloops
    @jellyloops 6 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    This is the very first video that I watched from your channel and it still gives me chills! It's so good :) Keep up the great work!

  • @tudor737
    @tudor737 6 ปีที่แล้ว +331

    I don't think Richard love Elizabeth in reality.

    • @vyotuong6115
      @vyotuong6115 6 ปีที่แล้ว +126

      Me too. I think Richard has only one love, and that's Anne Neville.

    • @tudor737
      @tudor737 6 ปีที่แล้ว +76

      And I think Anne Neville loved Richard too.

    • @vyotuong6115
      @vyotuong6115 6 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      True. I think Richard wanted to play with Elizabeth's feeling. I don't know.

    • @tudor737
      @tudor737 6 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      What a coincidence. Yesterday I finished The Reluctant Queen: The Story of Anne of York by Jean Plaidy. We could say that the period when Anne and Richard became King and Queen was one of the saddest, especially when their boy died. I feel pity for Anne as well as I feel for Margaret of Anjou.

    • @tudor737
      @tudor737 6 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Posibly but also it was very dangerous like now becouse was inces. I think the reality of this was a slander to Richard III: like in Shakespeare. He murdered her brothers, poison Anne, married his nice, he personaly killed Henry VI.

  • @Zaramakeupartist
    @Zaramakeupartist 4 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Jodie Comer is AMAZING, her role as Villanelle is just briliant. But I don't know why I prefer Freya Mavor to play Lizzie, she's a Princess/Queen Material

    • @Barbaradelrey
      @Barbaradelrey 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Totally agree. Freya should've portrayed her again in TWP

  • @ven2983
    @ven2983 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Gosh i love her the queen of hearts 🧡🧡🧡

  • @juliamolinar3983
    @juliamolinar3983 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I feel like this video describes Elizabeth of York very well👑

  • @songbird897
    @songbird897 6 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Do they show more of Richards death in the white princess?

    • @lilyk.5155
      @lilyk.5155 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No

    • @lilovs9952
      @lilovs9952 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Melina Mercury darling they did, a little

    • @alondraperez-ramirez8363
      @alondraperez-ramirez8363 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      In 'The Shadow of The Tower' series they show how after his death they put Richard in a wheelbarrow and carted his beaten body around the city do everyone could see he was truly dead.

    • @yaboyed5779
      @yaboyed5779 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      In the first scene of the white princess, it’s shown in very graphic clips and in the final episode when Henry reflects

    • @ele5583
      @ele5583 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Unfortunately it is, but it's all incorrect and overturns all the careful job Aneurin Barnard did to show Richard's death as accurate as possible.

  • @KitKatMikaelson
    @KitKatMikaelson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This is PERFECT ❤

  • @yeyexu15
    @yeyexu15 6 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I'm curious to see the white princess.

    • @robertasanda69
      @robertasanda69 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeliye Berna first you need to see the white queen

    • @ion_cornelia5227
      @ion_cornelia5227 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@robertasanda69 i first saw the spanish princes after that the white princes and now the white queen

  • @robertasanda69
    @robertasanda69 6 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    I just love her and richard so much
    Can you do more please?

    • @modusetboarchannel5666
      @modusetboarchannel5666  6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      One of our next videos will be about Richard and Anne. We hope you'll like it !!

    • @jediavatarpotter
      @jediavatarpotter 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @Tatianna Leeman not to defend Lizzie and Richard, but Anne and Richard were actually first cousins once removed along with a couple other things. Now, uncle and niece is worse, but just thought I should put that out there lol

    • @user-go4hx2ek8d
      @user-go4hx2ek8d 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jediavatarpotter louder girl!

    • @kathrynorozco5416
      @kathrynorozco5416 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jediavatarpotter 👏

    • @kathrynorozco5416
      @kathrynorozco5416 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Tatianna Leeman it’s her right and we also can’t help who we love

  • @diversion8654
    @diversion8654 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    En realidad Ricardo iii y Elizabeth de york no tuvieron ningun tipo de amor de pareja fue mas un amor de padre e hija

  • @lisawinter7842
    @lisawinter7842 6 ปีที่แล้ว +118

    Team Henry and Lizzie

    • @beq4797
      @beq4797 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      💓

  • @sandranorman5469
    @sandranorman5469 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Is there any evidence that Richard III and Elizabeth were in lust? I had read he was trying to win the hand of a Princess of Portugal. Or is that just a figment of Philippa’s imagination?

    • @ele5583
      @ele5583 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Historically Richard and Elizabeth were never lovers. At best rumors said he wanted to marry her, but now this is definitely disproved (if not by logic) by the Portuguese double marriage, which Gregory careful ignores in his novel.

  • @aeroTnz
    @aeroTnz ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing video love it! Richard wanted to shame Henry or discredit his claim because half of it was based on Elizabeth of york

  • @lisawinter7842
    @lisawinter7842 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    More please 💗

  • @KitKatMikaelson
    @KitKatMikaelson 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It's very good, I love it ❤

  • @misslet710
    @misslet710 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    1:47 na versão q assisti n tinha essa cena

    • @nanabarck
      @nanabarck 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Essa cena é de The White Queen, essa série vem antes de The White Princess

  • @TheLadyPlantagenet
    @TheLadyPlantagenet 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Can you also do one for Margaret Beaufort? Love your channel btw

  • @mariashaukat5287
    @mariashaukat5287 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    What episode is 2:28 from?

  • @balthiersgirl2658
    @balthiersgirl2658 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing video love it

  • @mariadina6845
    @mariadina6845 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    From what show is that?

  • @kristina2161
    @kristina2161 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    wow!!!!

  • @rommy_of_rohan
    @rommy_of_rohan 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    May I respectfully suggest that the words of the song being displayed on the screen are an unnecessary distraction from the scene itself, which I feel is spoilt by having words written across it. It's so much easier just to listen to the song and enjoy the beautiful clips. Just a thought.

    • @modusetboarchannel5666
      @modusetboarchannel5666  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi ! Thank you for your thought :) When we started this channel (and this video was from long ago !!) we weren't as fluent in english as we are now, so we assumed that putting the lyrics on the screen would help for comprehension, as a lot of TWQ's fans are from different countries !
      But we will think of that in the future :))

  • @aeroTnz
    @aeroTnz ปีที่แล้ว +2

    No one can match your aesthetics

  • @Tradeofjane
    @Tradeofjane 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    The real Henry VII imprisoned her nephew Edward, Earl of Warwick when he was 10. Henry kept Edward "Teddy" uneducated and alone only to execute him years later so that his son Arthur could marry Catherine. Perkin Warbeck was executed along with him and Henry is rumored to have had an affair with his wife, Katherine. Henry VII killed her uncle and her nephew. He also kept Elizabeth away from her mother, which is the first thing an abuser does. Henry VII's treatment towards women is most likely the cause of Henry VIII's brutal treatment towards women later on. Despite what Tudor propagandists would have people believe, Henry VII was obviously an abusive husband.

    • @modusetboarchannel5666
      @modusetboarchannel5666  4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I'm not a Tudor specialist but from what I've read about them, I can hardly disagree with your comment ! We make these videos for fun but still we know the TV shows are made to please on a large scale, that's why The White Princess focuses on a love story which did not take place in real life. We're well aware of these inaccuracies. Thanks for your comment, that's really important to keep all of this in mind !

    • @FloraDLady
      @FloraDLady 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Perkin Warbeck was hanged and Edward was not, they were not executed together. You literally just wrote down everything Philippa Gregory did in her fanfiction.

    • @larissab.2001
      @larissab.2001 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The execution of Eduardo "Teddy" was a demand from the Spanish kings for Catherine to marry Arthur. He was imprisoned in the Tower of London because he was the main threat to Henry VII's reign (it wasn't the first time a king had done this to a possible claimant to the throne and rival, so it was to be expected). A child even appeared pretending to be Teddy and fought against Henrique. He was a prisoner until 1499, when he became involved (willingly or not) in a conspiracy to escape with Perkin Warbeck. Afterwards he was tried and executed. Did you research and question why Elizabeth Woodville was imprisoned? The reason is not 100% certain. But the biggest theories are that she was involved in conspiracies with some York against Henry Vii or she herself chose to remain a recluse and dedicate herself to religious life. You believe in a lot of fanfic. There is no evidence that Henry had extramarital affairs. Regarding Katherine, there are records of several gifts to her and Henry's wife, Elizabeth, really liked her too, that is, they both liked her. So, it wasn't strange that those present had a good friendship with her. Do you base Henry VII's personality on rumors?

  • @nataliabonett7754
    @nataliabonett7754 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Como se llama esta serie o película

  • @balthiersgirl2658
    @balthiersgirl2658 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Am I the only one who hates Henry and the Tuders

    • @sandranorman5469
      @sandranorman5469 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Hate Henry VIII and what he did.

    • @songbird897
      @songbird897 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Tudors

    • @QDomar
      @QDomar 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Me. How Elizabeth York could....

    • @Saliha366
      @Saliha366 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Hate them because they did exactly like the York? Kill the king and take his place ?

    • @Saliha366
      @Saliha366 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Catherine Valois and the grandfather of Henry VII were married, the thing is his claim descended from his mother who whas from the Royal House of Beaufort. A house that was banned from the line of succession by a previous king. Yorks as the Tudors slayed a king for the throne ( which is very common in all monarchies ). The thing is they hadnt the right to slay Henry VI like that : his Queen and his heir who were totally sane :they killed Edward of wesminster prince and heir to the throne !
      Both families were killers. Henri VI himself told Henry tudor when he was just a little boy that he was the lancastrian Heir who will become King one day.
      You slay the previous king and you get slayed its the thing that happened.
      Truly i dont support any of them but ppl have to admit they were all crazy warmongers.

  • @luciatarozikova8455
    @luciatarozikova8455 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I think that Richard was in love with Lizzie

  • @myllenekretliwandermaasmyl2660
    @myllenekretliwandermaasmyl2660 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Lizzie had a great love with Richard, but Henry and Lizzie is quite better

  • @novelist99
    @novelist99 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    They shouldn't have made her a blonde. She was a redhead.

    • @gillsinclair6927
      @gillsinclair6927 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That was her granddaughter. The colouring came from the Tudor side. Jasper and Henry's father, Edmund, were red-blonde. Henry VIII was also.

    • @kathrynorozco5416
      @kathrynorozco5416 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      No she was actually blonde and so was her mother

    • @JadlynJ
      @JadlynJ 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@kathrynorozco5416 No she was a strawberry blonde. All of her portraits and real life descriptions say she's a red head.

    • @JadlynJ
      @JadlynJ 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@gillsinclair6927Elizabeth of york was a red head.