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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 มิ.ย. 2024
- The debate has been going around everywhere in the Overwatch community; which is better, Overwatch 6v6, or Overwatch 2 5v5? A lot of subjective arguments go deeply into both sides. Personally, I prefer Overwatch 1, but that doesn't necessarily mean it is better. So, today, we will discuss why I think 6v6 is BETTER than 5v5 Overwatch!
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Intro - 0:00
My Subjective Opinion - 0:09
Overwatch 2 (5v5) - 0:29
Why Overwatch 1 (6v6) is Better - 2:04
Overwatch 1 (6v6) - 3:19
What if we STAYED in 6v6? - 4:51
FLAME ME - 5:12
Outro - 5:31
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I would like for 6v6 to come back. I miss playing with a 6 stack and I don't have to fight with my friends on who gets to play tank. I discussed with some friends about whether we should get 6v6 back as a separate gamemode, but I don't have faith the devs will put much time in balancing it.
BUT CUSTOM GAMES EXIST so we could try it there for a bit
The problem is that 5v5 has to have different balance compared to 6v6. It is extremely difficult to balance any hero shooter characters, and even harder to try and balance the same heroes to work both in 5v5 and 6v6. I kinda feel like that most of the balance problems come from Blizzard trying to fit heroes, that were previously somewhat balanced in 6v6, to the 6v6 -format.
@@Croznyj agreed. That's why I don't think it's likely either.
At a minimum put 6v6 in arcade mode. I'd love for it to be back for QP and comp as well. 5v5 and 6v6 can live side by side, imo.
absolutely not. 5v5 can go to arcade.
Splits the player base too much.
@@liamratliff3824as an arcade mode?
5v5 is the reason counter switch is now a really big thing
You will need to balance the Hereos very differently, when having 6v6, especially the tanks and I don't think lowering the health (like in most Arcade modes) is remotely enough.
So they would have to balance 2 different playstyles, if you want to make it properly. And considering that they're already overstrained with Overwatch 2 as it is, I would not expect it from them.
I prefer 6 v 6 it feels like you can go down to 5 but still feel like there’s a chance to win 5 v 5 feels like whichever teams gets the first kill wins most of the time
Duoing with my OT partner was a big part of the game for me. Ever since 5v5 I have not had fun on tank at all, it's just a boring unfulfilling experience . I miss the beauty and fun of making plays with my partner. I highly agree with you on the FPS bit. I loved overwatch because it was different and unique . I already played games like COD, Valorant, CS go and battle field. If i wanted that experience I would just go play those games.
I miss 6v6. 5v5 sucks, especially solo tanking.
This is probably the best Video i have seen about 6v6 Vs 5v5 and you made all the points I would make.
When im saying i want 6v6 back, i dont mean Goats or 2x Shield, i mean 2016 - 2018 OW.
It had Teamplay, Strategy, Required decent mechanics and it didnt have an abundance of CCs or Shields.
5v5 just dumbed down the game so much, Solo tanking feels horrible, 1 Shots are way more oppressive, Off-Tanks like Zarya or Hog feel very out of place, Supports are broken because otherwise they cant survive, you have to perma counterswap, etc. the list of problems goes on
Only thing that 5v5 "fixed" was Qtimes, which were only long to begin with because Blizzard abandoned OW1 for 3 years and kept the game on 2x Shield meta.
It just saddens me that my favourite game is now reduced to being this 5v5 Deathmatch.
My Ideal OW would be, bring back 6v6, keep reduced Shields, keep less CC, keep all new Heroes, keep all Reworks, keep making Content/Events for the game and release a new balance patch every 3 - 4 Weeks.
It was a Special Game, even during 2x Shield i had fun, but playing 5v5 just took that magical "Overwatch-feel" away from me and i havent been playing much since, altough i have like 4k hours in OW1 and were GM on Tank/Supp.
I hope 6v6 returns in some way.
Bringing back 6v6 would mean changing so many heroes and so many reworks, it took the overwatch devs nearly an entire year just to bring PVE, how long do you think it’ll take them to completely reform their game?
@@kxrherbo
Go back to the last OW Patch
After that, bring in all new Heroes + Reworks
After that, adjust the Tank HP and Shield HP
They can even just implement all the good changes theyve done for balance in OW2, make Hogs/Widows/Hanzod 1 Shot less frequent (Poor Hog has to wait for rework sadly), lower CCs in the game like they did for 5v5, etc.
I dont think going back to the last 6v6 patch and implementing all the good balance changes is that hard, but maybe im just not knowledgeable enough on this topic
Taking away 1 tank is like if in LoL, they take aways the support: it doesn't make sense, and makes the role of the other player much more stressful.
What gets me about the visual clutter argument is that removing a tank would allow less visual cluttee, then they add Lifeweaver ult and illari Ult and Kiriko ult which is all visiual clutter
If a tank died in 6v6, you still had a chance. If your only tank dies in 5v5, you lose 99% of the time. Sad.
I've hated every match of 5v5 I've played. It is an entirely different game now and not at all for the better.
I’m just waiting for 6v6 to come back before I reinstall. Not interested till then
6v6 was way better. The few problems 2 tanks brought, mainly dbl shield could easily be solved with a shield tank shared lock out. Like if the first tank player chooses rein, it could automatically lock out other shield tanks like sigma or Ram. That way u wouldnt also need a second queable (off tank) role but still get the results. Also with orisa losing her shield and new non shield tanks like junker queen there are more main/off tank synergies than ever that would be fun to try. OW2 already has the reduced tank values in open queue, so adding 6v6 would be easy. They can remove ranked open queue or ranked mystery and easly add it in. I also bet doing so would bring back many players whanting to try 6v6 with the new hero comps. And would bet 6v6 would be most popular mode
It could also be solved with shields being connected. Like if u go rein, sigma. The shields would both be like 1300 health total. And if u shoot the rein shield, it would also take away hp from sigmas shield. A rein shield and sigma shield is 1700 total. Im saying if u choose to run double shield well then ur shields would be connected in terms of hp and the total hp of them would be reduced down,
But a tank lockout seems better. Only problem is, a lot of tank players would complain. Like could you imagine if some dps player picked solider and then suddenly the other dps player can’t play hitscan. In order to solve this I think they would have to make like 3 or more new tanks so the other tank player isn’t stuck picking between half the roster.
They didn't even need to do that double shield died with orisas rework and if you want to run rein sigma now doom/ram/ Winston can bypass shields with certian attacks or have mobility to move past them all they had to do was keep updating the game lmao
‘Jumbled mess’ is exactly the right description.
Playing Season 6 has been my least favorite out of any Overwatch season yet. Even Overwatch 1. I would rather play double shield than this terrible game. For the past seven years, I have played Overwatch almost every single day and in the past couple of weeks, I have put in an hour and 15 minutes. Comp is miserable. QP, which is supposed to be fun and relaxing, is miserable. The lack of tank synergy and a tank always being in meta so there will always be a few tanks with a disadvantage. Support creep is insane. Damage being the most useless role and also least fun. The main cope to not bring 6v6 back is almost always double shield. DOUBLE SHIELD WHAT?!?! If they actually fixed the issues of having double shield, or I don't know, introduced Rammatra sooner, then maybe it wouldn't have been so bad. They never fixed the issues with OW1 because they were too busy working on OW2, and for what? A better engine? WOW. PVE? NOPE. One less person per team and some content that was removed, but brought back in. But what we do have is the easiest and sleeziest way to take money from the people that support their god-awful game. Now I know some people will say skill issue, and that may be true. I peaked in Masters on Tank and cannot stand playing the game to climb. I miss OW1 so badly. I was really hoping that OW2 would be okay. My initial gut feeling of 5v5 was that it was going to be fine, but man was I wrong. 🙃
If you can't kill anyone with the tank and you need another tank in a game, game will tells you how worthless you are without another tank
@@Divzie what a terrible take. I don’t need another tank. It was more fun with a second tank in my opinion. The counterwatch tank gameplay is not fun.
6v6 is sm better I can’t stress this enough, you literally get MORE out of the game by having more players on the team, the tank duo combo has now increased tremendously, you could now have a completely new roster of tank duos (Ram+JQ, Ram+Doom,JQ+Doom, and if you wanna count Orisa’s new changes mix an match all those as well) I do understand the double shield problem but you could easily just add a 1,1,2,2 system for tanks, off tanks, dps, and supp, imo that would be PERFECT
Nah doom should go back to dps if 6v6 comes out. Doom is the only tank that would be too op with another tank and would be too bad if nerfed. Plus him as dps is way better
Sadly I disagree with 5v5 period. Overwatch 1 was popular for a reason. Double shield and Goats were both counter able with well thought out strategy. Arguably, those impossible team comps are what made the game balanced. One only need add heroes who counter and fit into the current meta. i.e., a character that can attack throw shields.
bring back 6v6. 5v5 is trash and nowhere near as fun
First of all tanks are not meant to carry anyone tanks are supposed to taking more damage and you're supporters are supposed to help you
@@Divzieso there should be 2 of them then
I agree man 5 v 5 ruined overwatch for me. So boring. Less intense plays as well .
it just made the game much easier but also
mad boring
@@dropizlive I agree brother. In 6 v 6 I could lose a game and still think to myself 'what a game that was'. But in 5 v 5 I could win a game and not feel that.
@@999legend8this!!! Especially on Assault maps where overtime goes crazy
To be honest to you guys if you playing a tank and you can't kill anyone with it The game will show you how worthless you are without a second tank
I only play FPS games and I much prefer that aspect about OW but I think 6v6 is far better. In OW2 it may seem like mechanical skill matters but then you get counterpicked, a cheesy OW2 support bails an enemy out of a blatant mistake you were punishing, or we get a Bastion meta and doesn’t matter how good you are just what team can handle the raw stats better (isn’t that what they changed to OW2 to avoid?). OW1 had the perfect balance of mechanics, positioning, cooldown management, timing, etc. but they just broke their game because they couldn’t spend any time on it due to being knee deep in the sh*t that was OW2 development. Just had to fix AOE healing and admit mistakes on Brig and it would’ve been fine.
6v6 was always better will always be better. 5v5 was a scam to sell OW2 as a new game. its awful
6 v 6 was chaos the game felt fun win or lose. On 5 v 5 I can win a game and it still feels boring. I also miss the 2 control point maps, they are way better than push maps.
@@999legend8 5v5 is so boring
@@mortystraphouse5077 I agree with you bro
@@mortystraphouse5077 Do you think they will bring back 6 v 6
@@999legend8 i didnt at first, but considering its the lowest reviewed game in steam histroy, and people are quitting the game because of 5v5 and hyper monetization; yes i think 6v6 comes back. i hope before Halloween. and i pray to god that doom fist is re worked back to DPS
I wouldn’t touch this game if it had another raid boss to deal with unless they had the health of bastion and way weaker shields
Apparently you never played OW1.
Tanks across the board were buffed.
Lower cooldown, more barrier hp, and more hp were added because they're the ONLY tank the team.
In my opinion 5v5 just grab the worst aspect of Mobas, the hero counterplay, 6v6 of course has counterplay but not as hard as in OW2, and IMO u needed a much more mechanical skill than now, change heroes to counter the enemy team every fight is no skill at all, is just clicking buttons, is the game playing for u, not u playin the game
Honestly 5v5 wasn’t bad but I do miss 6v6. I had the best time playing the original game
I will just say I only started to climb the ranks really after 5v5 came around so idk if that means I’m just a boosted platinum player all the way up to masters or not
Thats normal. Rank inflation in ow2 is huge. Ow1 plat and ow2 master are about the same skill level
bring back 6v6!!!!!!!!!!!!!
6v6 was better and always will be
gassing it first
I picked up OW in 2019, so I can’t speak for classic OW (2016-18). But man, the tanks were hell as I got deeper into the original game. 2 tanks just facilitated poke at the choke gameplay too much for my liking. Even when I’d try to flank, they could send a DVa to cut my flank, while the Rein is still swinging and pumped by heals to hold the choke.
At least in 5v5, the raid bosses can’t be in two places at once. I have nightmares of playing support on Gibraltar. Combatting a good Winston dive is tough now, it was even worse when he came in with a Zarya bubble before he even had to pop his own barrier
6v6 is better! you get one weak player in 5v5 and its gameover! the game is no fun now, everyone switching to counter everyone and its just not fun anymore. put it in arcade mode already sheesh!
6v6 open queue is fun for high level play
5v5 role queue is fun for low level play
I think what might make both sides happy would be to have casual modes with anywhere from 8 to 12 players per team and keep competitive to 6v6 and have open queue for both
For 12v12 there would need to be bigger maps of course.
cope
Sorry I don't abuse Kiriko
No LOL. Just the trolls who want to ruin the game even more.
I will agree to a 6vs6 when people can manage and not leave a 5vs5 making it a handicapped match. 4vs5. Imagine 6 people and a tank left or healer. Then what. Lmfao 😂😂😂😂
I can tell you’re 9 yrs old that’s your whole argument? Hardly anybody left back then cuz the game didn’t suck elephant nuts compared to now. If you didn’t play ow1 you don’t know which is better bruh.
@jeagerist4072 Grow up. That's the only argument you need. Name calling instead of having a valid conversation. You guys ruin a 5vs5. How is 6vs6 going to make it better. Also. your about 24 years off. Are you telling me you're 9 years old. Is that why you dont understand the game and how to play it ? It's okay, little one. You will one day. When u start understanding things.
You're obviously 4 years old. The first ones are always the best ones. You guys couldn't play that one either. It was too hard with two tanks. Omgness. Games are hard. Lol.
Ngl i feel like anyone that prefers 6v6 just doesnt understand the problems 6v6 brings. Yes ow1 was better than ow2 but its unrelated to 5v5. Blizzard has just given up at this point, the last 5 balance patches have made the game worse, Anticheat is worse than ever, the matchmaker is horrid and fresh accounts can have top50 mmr before ever playing a game of ranked. Sadly its clear to see that the devs have absolutely no clue how to make this game do well
I understand the problems of 5v5, mainly being Qtimes and Balance apparently.
Qtimes shouldnt be that much of an issue, since the game is F2P now and has probably a bigger playerbase than OW1 and even if its roughy the same amount of players, Qtimes for 5v5 are so bad, tank is still the least played role EVENTOUGH THERES 2 LESS TANKS PER GAME.
Im not playing tank myself anymore after being a tank main in 6v6, the role is just so shit to play solo i dont even try to bother with it, i really think duo tanking could better Qtimes, if the meta is correct and not some 2x Shield bs. F2P, Life-Service, Frequent Balance patches, etc. really keep people playing the game, Qtimes in OW1 got so long because from 2020-2022 the game was ABANDONED, THE DEVS DIDNT CARE SO WHY SHOULD THE PLAYERS?
And now, the 2nd point, balance, but tbh i dont even think thats much of an issue, there is no such thing as "Perfect Balance" but "Fun Balance" does exist and i think the OW2 balance team has done a better job than the OW1 balance team, which isnt hard, since they never really understood 6v6 or tried to understand it.
Its not that 6v6 is unbalanceable, its just the devs made so many mistakes, for example, they released Brig and she caused Goats, which obviously wasnt because her shield stun or her damage being to high, it was because her passive AOE Heal, it just sustained too many allies, combine that with 2 other supps and you got Goats.
What did Blizzard do? They nerfed the wrong parts about brig, after that failed, they tried to buff "Goats counters" like reaper by making him get more lifesteal which just made him broken af in low ranks.
Or 2x Shield, instead of trying to make Orisa/Sigma more vulnerable to dives, they just buff shield busters like Hanzo/Junk/Hog, which kinda worked but 2x Shield was still dominant, if they dont know what they are doing, just ask some pros for advice.
I very much prefer 6v6, it just feels Special, it feels like no other game, thats why i like OW so much, if I want a pure FPS experience i can play other games, but the combination of Tank/DPS/Supp is what made OW so special for many, even if that means its a bit less popular, but Blizzard already fucked themselves over so many times so it doesnt even matter anymore.
In a world where OW1 kept getting content compared to the OW2 with 5v5 and our "great" PvE we have right now, i dont think OW1 would be less popular.
Get back under your rock dude.
100 percent it’s not even close.
As a support main sometimes the the fights go on for so long it gets boring sitting in the back line heal botting. I can only imagine in 6v6 it would be worse.
Then your not playing support properly
Im also a support main and every support has 2-3 aspects of their kit
Damage Healing and utility if you are healbotting you are not playing your role effectively