Can the 2019 Honda Passport Actually Go Offroad? Everything You Need to Know (Part 1 of 2)
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"Honda focused on a offroad suv" "It comes standard with 20" rims!" Hmmmmmmmm.......
You guys (TFL) were very good. And you got even better by bringing this gentleman on board. He absolutely kicks shit. Saw his 4Runner video in the icy offroad condition - that was amazing. Cheers and good luck guys!
I agree wholeheartedly
Respect to Stephen; the Voodoo Blue 4Runner video was "off-the-charts". Having to evaluate this vehicle, especially in off-road terms, must have been mortifying for someone of his off-road driving skills.
This thing sucks looks like a KIA.
This guy needs to do all the TFL reviews! Knowledgeable and likable!
Nezumi Speed You should gently go F yourself bud
It's actually a beautiful and comfortable SUV, I did the test drive a few times and my boss and manager did the same. It was fun.
My manager already bought one. And I can't wait to buy one next two weeks. I work at Honda of Olathe in Kansas! We will receive 60 of them in this coming February! 👍🙂😊💜🧡💛
Wish they had a 17” wheel option. The last thing I want to do is hit the trail with low profile tires on 20” wheels.
Why would you ever want one o those for trails?
Taking your vehicle on rocky, dusty, muddy trails is inevitable here in the southwest if you enjoy the outdoors. A Passport with 17inch rims and 245/75 tires would give the driver a much smoother ride on those washboard dirt roads. I see a lot of Cherokee Trailhawks around here with that rim/tire setup. I think Honda could do the same.
4% of passports will see gravel roads at most. It's mainly for shocker moms
Tidwell I’d love to meet these shocker moms.
It was never meant to compete with the wrangler. It's a go camping adventure type vehicle. Not a rock crawler.
Hello 👋 I’ve been pretty darn happy with my New Passport. Here’s some footage of this vehicle, hope you find it useful. Thanks TFL!!! After seeing Honda’s iVTM4 system do pretty well in your gold mine hill testing that I had to buy one for myself.
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Passport is definitely on my list of favorites. Murano is luxurious, Edge is sporty, and Outback is off road capable. Passport blends all of that together and adds more practicality and more off-roadiness. i-VTM4 is more capable than Subaru’s system because of that torque vectoring rear axle being able to act like a limited slip diff. Also on road it adds a flavor of fun by being literally Acura’s SH-AWD which can make it feel like a RWD vehicle during power-on handling but get good gas mileage on the highway. Murano is the only one with an advantage of being luxurious with a very nice interior but it’s not as practical or sporty. This is gonna be a winner for Honda
Am I the only one wish they made a basic trim with smaller wheels, no engine stop/start, and different infotainment?
....leave some money on the table to make it your's. I'm glad they did away with the expensive LED headlight array.
Good review Steve! Hopefully in part two you will identify direct competition.
Can't compare to the new 2019 Santa Fe for price and style..
The Entry level Sports model already comes adequately equipped, A white colour of the Sports model with all the black cladding for that rugged off-road appearance and the AWD option duly ticked would do it for me. I prefer the silhouette of this to the Pilot as this looks more like an off-road vehicle while the Pilot's soft styling looks more like a minivan. Great review.
I can't believe he complained about the engine. That's one area this vehicle is interesting. I was so happy to find out it's not a CVT.
CVT might be better than the zf 9spd.
@@wcjeep I'll take the 9 speed. Anything but a cvt
I have owned a ZF 9spd equipped vehicle. Software flash upgrade can ruin the hardware. Honda Pilot, an Acura or two, Land Rover and various FCA products use the ZF 9spd. Each of these vehicles have unhappy customers with the transmission. Shame that Honda skipped the Ridge line transmission.
This is the same transmission found in Jeep and Land Rover. So will it be better than a CVT 🤔
This guy does a great job on every video. An excellent addition to TFL!
When I seen this video I was like should I click on it or not I did and it was Steven man that guy can review s***. So I watched you and it blew me away again how good you review vehicles. Very thorough just like Alex on autos and you drove that passport down that road like you did any vehicle down the power line. It amazes me how much time you spend here than Canada. When did you have time to do most of these videos and the buddy reviews. It seems like you might have an apartment here or something. I honestly think Andres renting out space inside his Hummer for you to stay in. LOL. But as always a great review and you can't pick a better place to have it then beautiful Utah I got to get back there.
Stevens reviews are the best
Respect to Stephen; the Voodoo Blue 4Runner video was "off-the-charts". Having to evaluate this car, especially in off-road terms, must have been mortifying for someone with his off-road driving skills.
I was only wondering if the dealer received full disclosure where the blue 4runner would go
Love is a Honda. Thanks TFL for the sneak peak.
This is one of the first Honda's I ever thought "wow that is actually a really good looking car!". I'm looking for a new vehicle to get my family around and handle the shitty Midwest weather, so it's on my list.
It's a sporty crossover that will compete with Subaru. In my opinion this isn't really designed to compete with trail rated jeeps and such. It's very nice.
Yeah the Subaru Ascent, however this is good non turbo alternative if looking for long run reliability.
@@jtafoya88 wouldn't that be the pilots competition?
How? It's a short more offroad worthy version of the Pilot. Subaru doesn't run the game of AWD sport utility vehicles. Nearly EVERY manufacturer has atleast one of them.
The engine is tried and true. Likely very reliable.
@10tenman10 exactly! I don't know about the 9-speed tranny but I would still get it.
are you talking about the 3.5l v6? it does have camshaft and timing chain issues
@@banana82728 My 2011 and my Old 2004 Pilot with the 23.5L v6 had timing belts, not chains. The 2004 hat 140K miles on it and my 2011 has 177K miles on it and still running strong, never a problem with this engine.
@@banana82728 , it is the 3.5L V6. It has a timing belt that has to be changed around 105k miles. I haven't heard anything about a camshaft issues. What do you know?
@@rondail5675 dont think they use belts anymore since the redesign of the pilot in 2016
JOB well done .. about time some does a good video about the Passport . Thanks !
This guy does excellent reviews.
Best reviewer. Keep it up man!
Nice review. Can't wait for part 2!
Last time Honda sold the Passport, it wasn't even a Honda. Basically, it was a rebadged Isuzu Rodeo. As part of a vehicle exchange program between Honda and Isuzu.
Living in an area that gets snow, the first thing that would have to go is the wheel and tire package. The big wheels and low profile tires are a disaster. You spend the whole winter poking out snow packed wheels. They can actually be dangerous.
IF anyone wants a good laugh, go to the Honda website for passport and watch the video where the passport skids around the very flat, very controlled dirt track, and then watch as the camera zooms in on the 20" wheels turning in slow motion through the mud. I couldn't stop myself from laughing.
So many people complaining about the 20" wheels and low profile tires lol. If you do real off-roading, do what you should do to any crossover and get a separate off-road wheel and tire package.
nooo waaayyy they finaly brought back this amazing vehicle
Honda Pilot, Passport, ....Airplane next?
No. Maybe Jet or something
X-Herlo Her Terminal
@@JustinAbroad there’s actually a Honda Jet
Always good reveiws from "Steven "the animal" Elmer!
Those minivan armrests provide plenty of room to put your purse while you're wheelin' on the way to Whole Foods.
They allow you to actually reach the wheel while resting your arm. Plus it's adjustable.
@@justindavis5983 I'm much more comfortable with my arm not falling off the armrest.
Lol
As minivan as they are, I'd prefer them over my hard plastic and rubberized center console top
Zf 9spd is not a great transmission. Check out the Pilot Elite transmission problems. Base Pilot came with a better transmission. Recommend long test and extended warranty because of this transmission.
The 5 speed in the 4Runner is the best trans on the market now.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q Aisin makes the best transmissions
20 inch wheels tells you all you need to know about its off road prowess.
Does the Passport have a higher ground clearance than the Ridgeline?
I’d be stoked if you guys did an “old vs new” comparison with the old Honda passport. I owned a 99 model and it is still one of my favorite cars, 5 speed with 4wd and a 3.2 v6......nothing crazy luxurious but it got surprising gas mileage and was very simple, easy to drive and I loved it. There has to be some old passports in Colorado that y’all could use to do a comparison.
The fact that he's pointing out how different it is from the pilot just tells me that most people think this is a 5 seater pilot. Honda makes a good car but all of them look the same even the pickup truck looks like a pilot.
Just saw this rig at the Portland Auto Show last night. It's MASSIVE inside!
That exhaust actually sounds decent for a v6
The short overhangs and tall ground clearance make it look short, tall and stubby. Looks funny.
really loving this car except those 20 inch wheels :(
20 inch = low profile tires which are TOTAL CRAP!!!
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brent kiely yeah and on top of that, they’re ugly. Isn’t painted wheels a thing of the past? I want regular alloy looking.
what's the point of creating a great departure angle if your approach angle still sucks?
You'll always be good going up gently sloping grades with steep drops at the end, and that's it. It's better than nothing?
I like this reviewer! This dude is cool! Next time wear a Jets cap! 🤗I cant wait to see part 2. Also when measuring the backbseat it would be helpful to know how tall Steve is. I also love the background music!
Adam Nevis he’s 6’2”
I'm impressed by this vehicle. The list of features is great even for a base model. And those 20's! I'm no SUV fan but I would seriously consider this vehicle.
Man it's so good looking. Very Honda looking
Great review.... again, thanx.
I'm gonna try and pre-order as soon as possible can't wait to get behind the wheel.
I love seeing Honda start to get out there in the off-roading market. It's a start! I still agree with you that it could be a bit more dramatic, but excited to see the whole deal.
Well done!
They should have styled it more adventurously like for its intended customers. Now it just looks identical to the soccer mom Pilot.
When you consider a sidewalk "off - road" , then this is right up your alley..
What a question in title here! Of course any car can go off road. Its only to come back home that many can't & we need to know!
This is what a CRV should look like...a small Passport
Dude excellent review. Where did you filmed this video?
This was filmed in Arches, Utah.
Awesome review fellow bearded brother! I won't buy one but it looks good man.
Biggest letdown by far is the standard wheel/tire package. 20" wheels and 265/45-series tires for off-roading? No thanks. Tire calculator shows 4.7 inch sidewall. Those wheels are toast at first sign of a rock. If I buy this, I'd have to budget for aftermarket 17- inch wheels and 31" tires.
17" or 18" would be great. I hate low profile tires.
Outside of Jeep and some Ford and GM pickups, no manufactuer ships any vehicle with good off-road tires.
I don’t think anyone is buying a passport for its trail worthiness. TFL just likes to take these SUVs out of their element to see how they do, which I have to admit make for an entertaining video.
@@jabroni6199 exactly!! It's nice to see it has some capabilities. I would prefer the Pilot if it was shorter. Now I want to see the price of the Passport. Priced too high, only the Honda lovers will buy it.
@@jabroni6199 It's not TFL. Honda is marketing the Passport as off-roadable (albeit on soft trails). They use terms such as "takes on rugged terrain", "forged for outdoor exploration", etc. I agree most won't use their Passport for anything more than a grassy soccer field, but that's not how Honda is marketing it. Subaru does the same thing.
This guy looks like a young santa no offense
Nice car and video
Looked at the old model in a show storm . Had my wife's soul with snow tires ,drove the pilot and it was not as good in the snow with four wheel drive . I ended up getting g a f150. I liked the pilot but the 4x4 system let it down . My understanding is they redid it for this model but I still preferthe older style of the old one . This shorter one looks better than the new pilot.
This is a unibody vehicle,so it should never be implied that this is a stump jumping,rock crawling vehicle.If you want/need that,get a 4runner,wrangler,or other body on frame vehicle.
Really wish there was a 17” option. Would’ve made it look better!
I'm sure the dealer would swap for free at purchase.
Bern on Cars but then again Honda doesn't know how to make good trucks and suv-minivans in this case
I can see the aftermarket Community beefing up the looks of this passport
Isn’t 8.1” clearance lower than the base rav4?
bgtx yes, Toyota have 8.7gc
It's a sportier crossover and for that class anything over 8" is very good in my opinion. I think this will compete with Subaru and not hard core off-road vehicles. It's capability is probably very similar to a Forester.
It's even less than the subaru outback
@@johnfarel3152 Honda's all wheel drive really sucks. It's no where near what Subaru has.
@@LarryRichelli BUT- it has pretty good power and NO CVT! It's actually larger and a little more powerful than my V6 KL Cherokee, but the KL has Low Range and real 4WD. All depends on what you're looking for.
I hate black painted wheels and 20" tires are too expensive.
I'm sure next year or during a refresh it will be offered. People have expressed that complaint before.
1. Nothing on the market advertised as “off road” is designed to drive off of the road.
2. Too much tech, moving towards automated drive and mandated “safety” since people can’t “just drive “ when they get behind the wheel is driving prices into stupid
I’d like to see a simple design without the tech.
Love it passport 🏃❤️
Boy, Honda really phoned this in in terms of its as-marketed purpose of being an "active lifestyle" adventure machine. Long wheelbase shared with the family hauler, standard 20 inch wheels (because adventure?), an AWD system that is one of the best in the worst layout category (single speed transverse PTO), hilarious angles and clearance and to top it off the gall to suggest its a competitor to other adventure machines like the 4Runner. Just goes to show that just being in Moab isn't the surefire recipe for courting adventure.
I mean, It's not a bad 5 seat mid-sizer, but is this REALLY how the marketing team interpreted the market segment? Don't try so hard Honda, it's just a Pilot for people without big families.
Probably a good competitor for the new 2019 RAV4. Has the V6 which the sporty people who would buy the rav4 might like.
I can get Grand Cherokee cheaper than this new RAV4
I've been waiting for this
They should have made the ridgeline front end like the passport
Slap on 15's with thick offroad tires instead of the 20's with low profile sport tires and you have yourself a winner. Idk what they were thinking putting low profile tires on an vehicle that is designed to be taken offroad. The AWD system on them are very capable and the V6 has good pickup and pulling capabilities
Off road vehicles do walk a very fine line between road drive ability and off road prowess. The segment is difficult to get a foothold in. A Jeep Wrangler is a great off road vehicle but lacks in on road comfort. Jeep owners forgo one trait for the other, as the Wrangler is quite popular. The Nissan Xterra was a fine off road SUV, but not a great on road SUV. People were not willing to tolerate the road handling, the Xterra is now not sold. Since many own 4x4 trucks, they default to them to travel to camp etc, since the pickup adds extra uses to the mix. I do not know if this mix of ability will draw buyers, but I applaud Honda's try at it.
All the released data say the ground clearance is 1.1" over the Pilot on AWD, and 0.5" on FWD. For 8.4" on AWD.
The return of the comeback!
Very good review, you are a great addition to TFL. Really enjoyed seeing you beat on that 4Runner a couple weeks ago. Please, however, turn down the metal background music next time.
Can't wait for the full review. This is on my short list.
Its like you guys were reading my mind. I've been wondering this EXACT question myself recently.
Love to see a saab 9-7x....... It's gm. Oké.... and a bit off Subaru.... And saab combined... Love to see how that works out.
Another awesome review and show. How does it compare to my 2017 Ridgeline for offroad? For better off-road performance I added 2" lift and Nokian AT All weather for living in Northern Ontario
I can’t believe the Passport came back , good 😂
I’d love to see a vehicle wearing a Honda badge have a real transfer case again..
Not long ago the following SUVs used to compete with the all mighty 4Runner: "used to"
1. Nissan Pathfinder
2. Honda Pilot
3. Mitsubishi Montero sport
4. Jeep Grand Cherokee
5. Mazda Tribute?
My 10 year old honda element has 7 speakers and with a two inch lift probably can go anywhere that passport can.
I''d love to see a comparison for off road between the new Passport, Pilot and Ridgeline. Especially using snow, mud and sand modes on all 3. It's not a Jeep I know, it would be a interesting comparison.....Here in New England, the snow has never been so bad that I've had to engage snow mode on my 17 Ridgeline.
Great video, well done, But in the end, pretty much the Passport is to Utility vehicles what olive infused margarine is to sandwich condiments.
Very good vehicle for soccer mom , mall hopping, going to the beach and surf fishing. For off roading I’d rather take my V8 powered truck!
So basically this is a first gen pilot
It's back! It's finally back. Is the Isuzu Rodeo coming back too? Lol. These were so nice back then and they were even available with a manual transmission.
I hope that they make a 2 inch lift kit aftermarket like they do for the Honda Pilot
THIS should be on tflcar, the 4Runner should be on tfltruck!
beautiful scenery and good preliminary look. was considering hyundai santa fe a couple of years ago. they just moved assembly of the passport from louisiana to alabama and the hyundai is also put together in alabama. i only buy vehicles coming from plants in right to work states. the nissan with the CVT is a nogo for me just because you will be able to set your watch to when it will break.
I await part two eagerly. Merely, as a Subaru enthusiast, I wish for there to be more competition in the off-road crossover segment, which may motivate Subaru to update their AWD to feature better off-road modes.
Alexander Sanford Subaru has a bigger problem than AWD system, the garbage boxer engine.
@@hujdupahuj I haven't experienced any issues with mine. They've been making improvements to them continually through their production with the head gasket issue being resolved in 2010, and the 2.5 receiving a timing chain instead of a belt. Mine consumes some oil, but no more than my Jeep's old 4.0. What problems did you have with your boxer?
@@hujdupahuj Might I also add that this engine's design lends itself to gifting the vehicle with an exceptionally low center of gravity. Even without swaybars, my Outback outhandles many other vehicles comparable in class and otherwise.
So pumped to own one
So jealous y’all got to film a review in Arches. One of my favorites!
Shoutout to Blue Jays ♥️
I love the black rims. I have them on my Rav4 SE. But when the wife scuffs them parallel parking, its an eyesore with the almost white aluminum alloy. I have to have a separate tube of black touch up paint just for the rims.
Can you fit 17" rims and decent tires on it??? 20" looks CHEZZY!!! GENERAL GRABBERS maybe??
All of hondas suvs look the same...im keeping my 05 Element.
Johnathon Castro very true
Ayy Element gang
To poster....I work for honda. Pilot also has the plastic "fender flares" not aggressive. They should have just made it completely different.
Mommy going offroading otw to the grocery store
To me it looks like it would be a good family hauler.And hopefully one you can have just a little bit of fun getting abit off the beaten path. Probably not 4Runner or Wrangler type offroading. But hopefully at least enough to have some fun.I'm interested in seeing how far off road you can take it without hurting it.
Didn't get the weight, but probably close to Pilots. I would have taken more inches of the back on the front to give it a better off road stance and more compact for city use.
I'm fine with a "Pilot Sport" as I have zero need for a third row, but like the Pilot. Might throw some chunkier tires on it.