The Secrets of Priming and Preparing Panels (Part 2)
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- The Secrets of Priming and Preparing Panels (Part 2) By Stefan Baumann info at www.StefanBaumannn.com, Phone 800-511-1337
Plein Air and Studio Painting By Stefan Baumann part 1. In part one of two, Baumann talks about Materials and tools for priming wood and composite panels using traditional and methods and different grounds. A quality Service can make all the difference in the performance of your paints, making it easier to create a Masterpieces. A good surface can increase transparency as well as vibrancy of oil colors, and improve the surface quality of a painting
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Someone in the audience seems to keep forgetting who the speaker is supposed to be.
One of my favourite statements in this entire video, which is so true, is when he says "when you feel like you are working with the very best materials it makes you work at your very best! Lol yes sir, same goes with ANYTHING
What a great teacher.
Thanks
Thank you for this informative video. I went to PAFA and was taught very tradition processes, however in recent years, getting things like rabbit skin glue and white lead are extremely difficult. I'm currently experimenting on making fired clay pannels as a surface for smaller paintings. I'm giving them textures and even pressing in weeds and flowers for textures. Also working on making scratchboard from scratch (pun intended). So many supplies have become so expensive and are not archival. I very much want to introduce my high school and middle school students to proper practices and making things from forming the surface to finished hanging. I'll be looking into miracle muck glue. Thanks again for all of the great hints.
I will be watching your video's for the rest of the day. You are an awesome teacher sir. I had to stop painting for over 10 years because the solvents almost killed me. I am coming back with new products on the market but what an artist uses to paint on, has given so many alternatives; I was overwhelmed. I so appreciate your introduction to this. I mostly appreciate you standards for quality. I always believed in quality products and you can help in my selections. Thank you so very much.
Thanks. I first put 3 or 4 coats of acrylic gesso. Then put thin coat of liquin on top, and wipe it away almost completely with cloth. When the liquin dries, the surface is lovely for oil painting. Smooth. Nice!
Loved this video. I was so glad he said “don’t interrupt me” that lady was annoying
Thank you for this video. Shockingly I've been a freelancer my entire 30 year career and have only ever done one oil painting back in 9th grade. I mainly do b&w comic art but when I have done painted works I've only ever worked in gouache or acrylic for my jobs but wanted to toy with oils. Have a few 4x8 masonite sheets out in my garage that have been there for at least 20 years and was never really sure the best way to prime them.
I just ordered some panels from Wind River Arts. She was sooo helpful Thanks for the great lessons!
H E L P! I'M SHOCKED. So do I hear him correctly in that Oil paintings done on gessod surfaces OR oils painted over acrylic underpaintings are not archival ?!!!!!! Gracious!! That's scary. Zillions of artists are doing just that these days, expecting their paintings to still be around hundreds of years. When I paint an oil portrait, I want it to be archival so it can be handed down to future family members. I trust Stefan's tutorials. I'll certainly save this on to re-watch. joyce
Fantastic as always, and funny (thank you for that), I immediately ordered panels from Wind River Arts and they are sweet people.
precious and complicated....just a salesman..
Lots of good information. Thanks!
anne Pelton thanks
Old school oil exterior house paint lasted a long time and protected much better.
I just bought Rublev lead primer........and Rublev lead white paint. They also sold Spike oil - just love the smell...so looking forward to getting into my art. ( unfortunately decorating my hall at present) .hope you and your family are well Stefan, take care and keep safe. 🏴😷🙏🏻❣️
Hi Stephen. Thanks for the tip on the gator board and wind River art thank you.
very informative!!!! Thank you :)
You can do the same thing with contact cement. It will come apart with an iron on low heat. If you need to reattach a flat surface that was glued with contact cement, you can reattach it with the iron. The glue will reactivate with heat applied. Keep weight on the item until it cools.
G'Day Stefan. As always, very informative. Quality materials produce quality work and the finish is so important. I might give this a go.
No mention of the toxicity of lead white and turpentine? Lead is highly toxic.
Nitrile gloves and good ventilation at the very least, would be a good mention.
Gatorboard will warp over time. For the ultimate archival surface, try ACM ( Aluminum composite material ), the brand I use is dibond and it's fantastic!!!
Christopher Farrell check out Michael James Smith channel. Amazing landscape artist and he shows how he does his boards.
The lecture was fun and filled with detailed info. I hope it wasn't overwhelming for the average student. I enjoyed it thoroughly. I shall try ordering that Birch lead primed panel and a few 9x12 Gatorboards. Awesome videos as always :)
great video as always. I have to say, though, that the audience's spontaneous utterances are annoying.
Hi Stefan, Great lecture as always. Did some painting in my youth and just retired and relearning everything. I do need to do a lot of practice "to get back into shape". The masonite board looks like a great place to practice. I've seen product called "hardboard" at Lowes and wondering if this is the same product? It comes in 48x96 panels that could be cut down.
New acrylic products replace rabbit skin glue
Hello. Just saw your videos. I do acrylic pour painting and have birch wood cradles panels. I have not used them yet because I am looking for a better and easier way to prepare them then using gesso. I don't want to use gesso for the same reason as you mentioned in a prior video. I don't want to do all that just to do a painting. You mentioned using spray primmer instead. Do you think that would work with acrylic paints? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!! Thank you!
Hello, Stefan. Thank you for all your videos, you are making me want to start painting with oils. (I am primarily an acrylic artist). Question, there is an artist that I met who paints in oil on raw linen, unprimed, unprepared linen, will this not cause his canvas to rot over time?
Oil paint is quite acidic, so it will eat its way through the organic components in the raw linen over time and make it very brittle.
Hi Stefan. You are indeed a very good teacher, and I have benefited a lot from your work.
My question is, In preparation for a high end masterpiece, what do you recommend I prime and finish (varnish) with? I paint acrylic because I like a matte finish. But I understand also that it would be great to have more light going on in my paintings like with the old masters. I quite like to experiment also. Thanks
Good sales pitch
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/me sitting here thinking about how to market HDPE panels to art nerds as archivist quality. Basically Teflon, I'm willing to bet $10 that it's at least mostly oil paint stable. Good enough for fuel lines.
Not UV stable, Aluminum still wins, probably.
Just a little heads up. Stay clear of gluing pre primed canvas onto anything as a painting support. The glue used to adhere can leach up to the painting surface! You end up painting on glue. And this will over time dislodge. Happened to me! I spent oodles of $ buying expensive pre oil primed linen canvas glued on panels. They all are now, after several years, ruined. If you insist on panels, use rabbit glue to glue on raw fabric (like linen) and apply grounds. Do not apply a fresh glue layer behind ANY canvas.
great information as always Thank you!!!! I have a dilemma.....I accidentely punctured a hole in an unpainted large expensive canvas! Can you please help me? I saw many videos on how to make these repairs but they all seemed iffy. Thank You!
bea gustafson Yes if you get a piece of UN-primed linen and cut a squire twice the size of the hole and soak it in ward rabbit skin glue and attache it to the back then with oil primer fill the front to level of old finish you good to go.
Stefan Baumann thank you a bunch!!!
Good info, thanks.. So what is acceptable substitution for lead based primer? I live in Europe and lead was banned in here .. :-/
Gamblin oil primer is honestly the best non-lead based primer. It is non absorbent and reacts like lead primed surfaces.
Check out Michael Harding Non-Absorbent Acrylic Primer. It’s made in the UK, I believe.
Question: Can the auto primer be used if you are painting with acrylics?
CAn you use canvas for acrylic?
Can people still make the higher quality panels you described? I dont see anything on your website that gives the info or recipe 😅
Auto Spray primer on MDF boards Thats all
You were right about switching to panels!
I’m considering Ampersand gessoboard panels and then put a coat of oil ground from Gamblin on top of that . what are your thoughts ?
Perfect
@@StefanBaumann You have been an incredible teacher in my painting process so thank you
@@allenvoss7977 And you have been the most perfect student Thank you, BTW you might want to consider one on one coaching with me please feel free to call me 415-606-9074
@@StefanBaumann Mr Baumann , can you please do a video on Applying and cleaning up after using Gamblin oil ground on a panel board ? Especially the cleaning up of the roller nap after use ! That was messy . 😂👍
18:30 hey stefan, how would you go about sealing a birch panel with that kinda finish..? would it be some kind of poly urethane and polished in-between layers like the process of some furniture, or is it just multiple thin layers of varnish/lacquer ? i'm gonna experiment but thought i'de ask you're advice on this... thanks, great video !
I would like to try the recipes you have mentioned. Is there a place that I can find the recipes? Oh and for the titanium white, is that like what you paint with or the powder?
A couple things that were unclear, or did not make sense;
So, one spends a bunch of time, energy, and materials sealing and priming a panel, then lays a canvas on top? The canvas needs to be primed as well.
The other mention of taking an old painting right off the canvas and putting it on another one? That doesn't even sound possible unless there was a thick isolating layer of lead white or similar between the canvas and painting. Part of the purpose of priming is to provide a good surface for the paint to bond to. Often the first layers of underpainting are heavily thinned with turpentine to flow into the pores of the ground, while providing a tackiness for the next layers to bond to. There is both mechanical and molecular bonding at play.
I recommend NOT using canvas! unless you are doing large canvas, then stretch your canvas on bars! The finish on the panel is just the finish with no canvas attached.
Nice information Stefan. Have you painted on Dibond or similar? Where would you rate it in the pack you just listed?
What is the name of the oil based lead primer? I'm trying to find it online.
I want to prime some masonite for oil painting. I am squeamish about using bunny glue. Can I use Golden's GAC 100 to seal my masonite before applying the lead primer? Also, the Fredrix can you are holding looks exactly like the one on Blick's website that is called 'titanium pigment'...'an alternative to lead carbonate based primer'. I understand that this video is a couple years old, so did something change? Have they changed the ingredients since then? What product do you recommend exactly? (Because in my book, your word is near law!) Thanks.
There is tradition and there is the new, I like traditional way with bunny glue old primer with led and so on
everyone says that the new is like the old but I never agree, ask me to use lead Williamsburg sells it
@Whitney Kurlan Artist Archival implies someone cares over long periods of time that we have no track record of the success for with the new materials. With much of the world in climate controlled building should we bet on known products, or stuff that the chemistry is a bit of a guessing game out beyond 100 years. Doesn't mater for my stuff, but it might mater for others.
Are there any other places besides Wind River Arts that sell the birch panels or is it their brain child? I am in love with them!
You can get Birch plywood and canvas just about anywhere.
I enjoy your videos, but I'm an acrylic painter. Do the primers you mention apply to prepping a board for acrylic painting? Rabbit skin glue, then lead? Or does gesso work well with acrylic paints?
Gesso is acrylic already so it works
Stefan Baumann Thanks Stefan. Thanks for being so generous with your expertise!
Is untempered masonite available at Home Depot?
Hi Stefan, i love your talks! can you please tell me the proportions of traditional gesso? (rabbit skin glue+marble dust+titanium white). I use only rabbit skin glue for my canvases, oil painting.I do this the last 15 years.Is that wrong? Sometimes it cracks and I don't feel comfortable with it.I've tried modern gesso and hated it,all my oil colors lost their shine,turning them to dust texture.Is it enough just only to use the traditional gesso as a primer? Thank you!!!
Check out Natural Pigments Co. They are online and have true artist materials.
is there a substitute for rabbit skin glue?
+Amelia mitchell GAMBLIN pva size
Using Rabbit Skin Glue is just an exercise for repeating the Masters. It's not necessary, but is a good learning lesson.
The Old Masters also practiced blood-letting and were unaware of bacteria or antibiotics. Just because it's OLD, doesn't mean it is a "best practice".
Yeah, but just because it's new hardly means it is best practices either, otherwise why not just photography.
Animal glues are amazing, and have properties no synthetics have. Reversability, self bonding, heat curing or air curing, amazing strength, hardness (more a musical instrument thing), etc... The is a glass art with standard hide glue where the glue is placed on glass, and when it contracts it pulls fragments right out of the glass. Try that will elmers.
I get ethical reservations, though the killing goes on, and it isn't any better if people waste the animal parts and don't fully use them. And the idea that modern industrial chemicals, or agriculture are more planet friendly is probably a joke.
I was researching these products during the video. There is also a titanium oil ground. Do you know if that also creates the same type of permanent molecular structure that lead does? My crystal stemware is titanium based and looks as good as lead crystal. But I don't know if that translates to painting.
Do you use rustoleum on canvas as your primer?
Is the rustoleum primer archival?
Yes and better then anything that way
Stefan Baumann hold on, you mean to tell me this whole time I could've bought Rustoleum primar instead of Gesso to oil paint this whole time!?!?😂😄Omg, I thought about that a year ago but brushed it off/totally forgot about. I'm blaming this on my ADHD dang it!Lololol!!! Thank you as always for your valuable information.
Stefan Baumann I've heard of some artists preparing their wood surfaces with Shellac? Have you heard of this and why do they do that?
Shellac will yellow your painting. I've heard of using shellac on paper, though.
@@robyn9513 Shellac is one of nature's miracle materials. It is broadly compatible with other materials that are from the natural era. One of it's amazing abilities it to seal wood against migration of oil. So if you were using traditional woods that have an oily surface, or pitch or other inclusions, shellac will seal these out. As valuable to painting with oils, the shellac will seal the oils from the paint from migrating into the board, robbing the finished painting of sheen, or due to differences in the grain causing an uneven sheen. There is nothing I know of that is quite as effective. Even today, you can find cheap shellac preparations in painting departments, as nothing seals knots in woods (pine knots being often pots of resin) from printing through paints as well, even today.
I have no personal experience using it to ground boards, but I can see where it would be valuable.
Can you spray the car primer on Canvas too or just the boards???
Car primer is made for cars. Best to use materials actually made for artists if you would like your painting to last decades. Check out the Facebook group “Painting Best Practices” for excellent technical info for artists.
I love your videos. But the constant mumbling and interruptions by the audience is very distracting, I noticed in this one you actually asked not to be interrupted I said oh finally. You have incredible patience. I get through the videos but they would be so much better without the distractions.
Thank you
Without those people there would no videos, besides these videos are free to you, and I don't make any money off of them so its a traid off.
Where do you get rabbit skin glue at?
David M. Any high-end art store or Dick Blick or AWS mail order
Look it up online
Sweet, thanks.
+David M. Amazon has it.
If I use rustolium to prime my pannel. Do I need to pre sand the smothe surface first? And do we prime both sides as as well?
With wood and wood products, it is always a good idea to cover both sides identically so you balance moisture exchange when humidity changes.
Vegan alternatives?
i just paint right onto the wood (primed) so no need for any glues :)
Use rabbit skin glue. It's a far superior sealer than "vegan" alternatives.
I dont want to kill and skin rabbits just for getting a f...kin pait primer
Im sure its a but product of people eating them and not they are killed because of using the skin as a primer.
There are better alternative products. Check out the Facebook group “Painting Best Practices” for excellent technical advice for artists.
I would rather,my paintings don’t last forever than use so much with lead in it. Just because materials were “traditionally used”doesn’t mean they are better. That’s why new materials are discovered,to improve on the old. Who knows. Maybe the new materials will last hundreds of years if used properly. I’m hoping that materials will just become more and more environmentally friendly and better for health. Also spray paints are terrible for health and environment. Time to get with the program. I know you may not care about the environment because you may not have 50 yrs left to live but we “older” artist have to consider what we are leaving behind so the younger artists actually have a beautiful environment to go out and plein air paint.
Oil base primer. Then you can use oil or acrylics over that! Period
I build frames behind so they do not warp .plus prime both sides