I love void with hoil but I really will miss the arc grenade titan a lot. I am not surprised it got nerfed to the ground, but at the same time I can't help but feel like it was overnerfed
They did nerf TF out it as a void hoil titan they nerfd it to the ground i might delete hoil. W my new strand build and the synergy of orbs and regen its like i have the old hoil on and im using abeyant greaves
HoIL is broken on solar still. You have constant grenade regeneration due to being able to throw hammers as often as you want, and on top of that the grenades get the bonus damage from HoIL and also from the 3x stacks of roaring flames. Not to mention you get bonus regen for walking through sunspots and you also get restoration as well. I have been hard pressed to take solar HoIL titan off since the start of this season. It's absolutely insane.
My main issue is how bad throwing shield is. Most of the time it hits one enemy and bounces off into the nothingness. Sometimes it decides to go between enemies and hit nothing all together.
@jorrdanpodbilski1210 not even. Whatever it hits to make volatile will lag behind while everything else pushes you. And the overshield it gives is bearly a sneeze. I tried so hard to make the exotic that gives you two throwing shields work. And it just isn't worth it.
@@joshuadixon4090 The OS is just to get increased grenade regen. And the volatile... idk man, if you hit something with the shield you should still be able to kill it normally, not sure why you'd have a problem with that >_>
Nice. My go to is usually Null Composure, the reservoir burst pairs so well with volatile. Charge, blast, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. So satisfying to fire a single shot and watch you whole screen erupt into purply goodness.
Good to know HOIL is still usable. Now I can go back to living my best titan life. I strive to live by the Tenants of Miff the Milf Miffilations 3:15 And the lord said unto me, "Git gud kid" Powerful stuff. Miff is love. Miff is life.
This is great. I'm going to start my Titan play through once I'm done getting all of my powers and pinnacles on Warlock and I immediately wanted to do void because it feels so strong on Warlock. I think it'll be the meta this season with the changes to getting devour and the combination of volatile rounds and bricks from beyond.
Thanks! i have not been able to find a void build for titan and its so close to what i was running before lightfall! im trash at building builds my self! Thanks again!
Having a damage setup ready to go. I will be going over everything that I am running from like a "Fundamental" Point of View. Not class specific. Which should showcase everything pretty well and work on all classes. Should be out Thursday.
Hoil "nerf" was more of a debuff imo. the only nerfing this they did was just change the duration of the empowered buffs but other than that its not that bad
… That sounds like a nerf to me. What separates a nerf from a debuff? The % of the gains when empowering is active is what got crippled the hardest. For PVE, 125% to 25%.
No they didn't... They nerfed the ability percentage recharge rate as well... It went from a 280% buff to class ability recharge to 35% buff to class ability recharge... If it was just a duration buff it wouldn't have been that bad because that's how it was in gambit and crucible already before Lightfall... The purpose was to kill the Hoil arc build that allowed you to have x2 up for everything at all times...
@@andrdmosley honestly, I feel that this change has really helped to add more depth into the hoil strategies. Now instead of mindlessly spamming abilities, you have to think about your ability cycle as well as how your weapons are contributing to ability regen.
I just gotta do another build. Cause I wanted to go with a Blinding Titan build but HoiL wasn't feeling like it was doing what I needed it to do. My Ionic traces did WAAAYYYY more work than it did.
Because the exotic and mods does all the work for grenade melee and barricade, also if you put other fragments ex devour, recovery wouldn’t matter that much either because you’d get your health back after a kill. No hate on this guy but the fragments he is using in my opinion are some of the worst for harder content, for easy content it doesn’t even matter what you’re using anyway so yeah
im running hoil on solar for the infinite slam spam combo. Still works with the mods, i get my grenade back almost immediately and if i get two kills with my slam I basciallly get it back immediately too. Definetly very solid on solar
Having vortex nades do 20 percent more damage is huge. I know ppl like heart of inmost light but I like armentariun rocking 2 vortex nades that weakens my enemy plus makes my weapons viotile. Either chest exotic is great
i mean, it works but it's definitely not the same, you can see it on your own video, the uptime of the empowerd buff it's not enough to get the bonus damage and energy recharge.
the kickstart mods are not worth it imo, they a) cost too many charges which could be used for straight up more void damage (22% for 45 sec. with 1 time Dilatation at 3 charges, stacks with radiance/bubble) and b) give back very little ability even with 5 charges (which you never have because the Grenade triggers to often). I think its sub 45 percent with 5 charges.
This build becomes 10x better when you add the awoken favors and maybe even the vexcalibur glaive which gives you nearly infinite overshield if you play right. Good build overall.
I figured I’d try out HoIL and void for the campaign and I didn’t even notice the nerf and I didn’t even really optimize the mods (orb pick up regen or kickstarts) or even use anything for Void Breeches. Since there’s no affinities Impact Induction and what ever the other one is I put each of those on and the grenade regen when you had an overshield still made it seem like I had infinite uptime on everything. Having all the extra stuff that gminers has going on here is icing on the cake that might just be overkill you don’t even need.
(No offense) I don't really like the heart of inmost light very much It just Feels sort of boring to use on my Titan class Most of the Titan exotics I don't like at all
I dunno It's good but I think it's taken enough of a hit that it's a little trickier to abuse, whilst other exotic that let you spam an ability went up. Stuff like skullfort, or syntho bonk hammer for creating orbs goes a long way. I'm also curios about giving ashen wake a go... But currently I'm just fucking around with severance enclosure to go along with the new fragment where finishers make things explode. And trying to brainstorm something with the feedback fence and the fragment that jolts targets when you get knocked down to critical?
@@Freebie6 As someone who exclusively plays Titan, I'm also kind of sad it's still busted. I like variety. (And also, maybe this is a hot take, but HOIL just looks bad by default, and only gets a little better with some ornaments.)
I don't understand why people make these videos and only discuss the reduced cooldown reduction for the class ability, when the other major nerf was to cut the duration of the Empowered buff straight in half from 10 seconds duration to only 5 seconds. This means having the Empowered x2 buff is far less often, because you have 5 less seconds to use another ability in that time to gain Empowered x2. Which is a huge nerf, this is a much bigger nerf than the class ability regeneration speed that HOIL also got. Why the fuck do you people just ignore this and always focus on only the class ability regeneration nerf? You just don't know WTF you're talking about. The Empowered nerf affects all 3 abilities, grenade, melee, and class ability, on top of the class ability regen being nerfed. You have no business making videos where you try to be informative and factual, while totally ignoring the other half of Bungie's nerf to HOIL
I love void with hoil but I really will miss the arc grenade titan a lot. I am not surprised it got nerfed to the ground, but at the same time I can't help but feel like it was overnerfed
Using pulse nades with armamentarium can probably get you similar enough results
@@Pizza_is_old was just about to say this pulse nades are op on titan
Keep HOIL on but yes use pulse. They do more damage than storm grenades now anyhow
They did nerf TF out it as a void hoil titan they nerfd it to the ground i might delete hoil. W my new strand build and the synergy of orbs and regen its like i have the old hoil on and im using abeyant greaves
It absolutely was overnerfed, as I knew it would be lmao. The timer nerf AND the regen nerf AND the stat nerf was just too much.
Thank you for making this man. I was really underwhelmed trying out HOIL after the Nerf on void. I’ll give this a try.
HoIL is broken on solar still. You have constant grenade regeneration due to being able to throw hammers as often as you want, and on top of that the grenades get the bonus damage from HoIL and also from the 3x stacks of roaring flames. Not to mention you get bonus regen for walking through sunspots and you also get restoration as well. I have been hard pressed to take solar HoIL titan off since the start of this season. It's absolutely insane.
hey could you drop your build (dim link or something to include mods)? sounds fun :D
drop the build
Would love to see this solar titan too! Would you be able to list it?
/zm4kqxq/Equipped
Add that onto the end of the normal dim link and it should take you to the loadout I’ve been using
@@SIeexic appreciate you man!
My main issue is how bad throwing shield is. Most of the time it hits one enemy and bounces off into the nothingness. Sometimes it decides to go between enemies and hit nothing all together.
It needs a buff bad. In pvp and pve all it does is tickle
It's really just good for spreading volatile and giving an overshield
@jorrdanpodbilski1210 not even. Whatever it hits to make volatile will lag behind while everything else pushes you. And the overshield it gives is bearly a sneeze. I tried so hard to make the exotic that gives you two throwing shields work. And it just isn't worth it.
@@joshuadixon4090 "bearly"
lol
@@joshuadixon4090 The OS is just to get increased grenade regen. And the volatile... idk man, if you hit something with the shield you should still be able to kill it normally, not sure why you'd have a problem with that >_>
Using a hollow denial trace rifle with repulsor brace to pair with the volitile rounds. So so good this build is fantastic.
Nice. My go to is usually Null Composure, the reservoir burst pairs so well with volatile. Charge, blast, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. So satisfying to fire a single shot and watch you whole screen erupt into purply goodness.
Could you link a DIM link for your builds in future videos?
Good to know HOIL is still usable. Now I can go back to living my best titan life.
I strive to live by the Tenants of Miff the Milf
Miffilations 3:15 And the lord said unto me, "Git gud kid"
Powerful stuff.
Miff is love. Miff is life.
This is great. I'm going to start my Titan play through once I'm done getting all of my powers and pinnacles on Warlock and I immediately wanted to do void because it feels so strong on Warlock. I think it'll be the meta this season with the changes to getting devour and the combination of volatile rounds and bricks from beyond.
I just watched your 3 builds that aren't strand (not yet unlocked) and I'm so happy all are for my favorite sets.
Thanks a lot man.👍
Im kinda glad its still good weirdly enough, i dont play my titan as much as my warlock so its nice to have hoil when i need a good loadout
I have a HOIL loadout for each subclass lol it’s still the GOAT
Thanks gmeiners. Loved my pre-Lightfall Void build for hard PVE content. Joe I have it back for this season. Earned a Sub and a like.
witch weapons are you running for the build
LOL this is EXACTLY what I have been doing!!
That youtuber validation be sweet lmao
Any chance for a dim link?
did thery nefr it even more after this build video i have the same setup as you but i dont get my skills back as much as you do
Thanks! i have not been able to find a void build for titan and its so close to what i was running before lightfall! im trash at building builds my self! Thanks again!
What settings do you use to get your games color to look like that?
Amazing build man, thanks so much! What changes would you make for something like day one contest mode?
Having a damage setup ready to go.
I will be going over everything that I am running from like a "Fundamental" Point of View. Not class specific. Which should showcase everything pretty well and work on all classes. Should be out Thursday.
@@gmeinersYT Appreciate that man, you consistently put out good stuff. Looking forward to it!
What role do you use on your funnel web
Hoil "nerf" was more of a debuff imo. the only nerfing this they did was just change the duration of the empowered buffs but other than that its not that bad
… That sounds like a nerf to me. What separates a nerf from a debuff?
The % of the gains when empowering is active is what got crippled the hardest. For PVE, 125% to 25%.
No they didn't... They nerfed the ability percentage recharge rate as well... It went from a 280% buff to class ability recharge to 35% buff to class ability recharge... If it was just a duration buff it wouldn't have been that bad because that's how it was in gambit and crucible already before Lightfall... The purpose was to kill the Hoil arc build that allowed you to have x2 up for everything at all times...
@@Eksayle oh
@@andrdmosley honestly, I feel that this change has really helped to add more depth into the hoil strategies. Now instead of mindlessly spamming abilities, you have to think about your ability cycle as well as how your weapons are contributing to ability regen.
@@Eksayle Only to class ability. Grenade and melee are still 125%
do you need any artifact mods for this to work?
I just gotta do another build. Cause I wanted to go with a Blinding Titan build but HoiL wasn't feeling like it was doing what I needed it to do. My Ionic traces did WAAAYYYY more work than it did.
Yes!!! Exactly what I needed
Wait how do you get five mod slots?
Can't find the dim links for your recent builds on the discord, bro. Can you post in the comments or description??
It's still pretty much the best exotic for sentinel.
I was really thinking that I wouldn't use this exotic again. Thank you for this info bro! 💯
Thanks, but why no DIM link? Also in your discord no link available as it used to be.
Can I use this build with other subclasses or no?
Wouldn't using two Kickstarts conflict with each other?
Fantastic thanks. Do you have a dim link? Cheers
What stats do you need high in your build ?
the ability regen is nuts so really u only need 100 resil but disc and strength are both helpful
Had to switch subclasses from stasis hope this makes the legendary campaign easier
How come you spec for higher recovery rather than melee regen?
Because the exotic and mods does all the work for grenade melee and barricade, also if you put other fragments ex devour, recovery wouldn’t matter that much either because you’d get your health back after a kill. No hate on this guy but the fragments he is using in my opinion are some of the worst for harder content, for easy content it doesn’t even matter what you’re using anyway so yeah
So would heart be redundant to use as it's not giving very significant bump to stats
Where is the Dim link?
The new glaive might be really hot with this build, overshield on demand pretty much
how are his grenade kickstart etc mods 1 energy, for me they are 3
Check your artifact, it is a perk that reduces the cost for your mods affecting grenades. Hope this helps:)
Im going to try taking this into day 1
im running hoil on solar for the infinite slam spam combo. Still works with the mods, i get my grenade back almost immediately and if i get two kills with my slam I basciallly get it back immediately too. Definetly very solid on solar
It's pretty much only bad on void... sadly I'm a bubble bro main.
What mods do you have on?
i think hoil builds will just be good in gms now / their surges, i see strand as the best for titan now honestly
and for solar?
Having vortex nades do 20 percent more damage is huge. I know ppl like heart of inmost light but I like armentariun rocking 2 vortex nades that weakens my enemy plus makes my weapons viotile. Either chest exotic is great
pulse hoil goes crazy.
i mean, it works but it's definitely not the same, you can see it on your own video, the uptime of the empowerd buff it's not enough to get the bonus damage and energy recharge.
Nice build but be nice if you posted dim links.
Put the wave splitter with it and you become a god!
I really wish i had ornament. Would go good with this War Beast look i wanna give my titan.
You’re my hero
You know damn well you don't run scatter grenade.
the kickstart mods are not worth it imo, they a) cost too many charges which could be used for straight up more void damage (22% for 45 sec. with 1 time Dilatation at 3 charges, stacks with radiance/bubble) and b) give back very little ability even with 5 charges (which you never have because the Grenade triggers to often). I think its sub 45 percent with 5 charges.
If I remember correctly vortex nades got nerfed hard so scatters might be on top
Yea slower charge time but they did up vortex nades damage
You heard wrong
They got nerfed in season of the haunted but did just get their damage buffed back
The cooldown difference really helps scatter shine over vortex i think
dim link???
I've done legendary campaign on hunter n warlock no real issues but on my solar titan I'm getting wrecked all the time like 3 shots n I'm dead
HOIL for life
Literally copying this, never taking it off. Thankyou. Also i have a demo adrenaline roll on my unforgiven to im really beyond happy
DIM LINK?
Oh hell yea
My mods cost more than yours/hid did, does anyone know why?
Artifact perks if you unlock authorised mods void/solar/strand and granades it reduces the cost
I Use the Arc Grenade Build with Pulse Nades & The Void Build u just made with HOIL
We Love Miff
Honestly if bungie actually made good titan exotics hoil nerf wouldn’t be so bad they honestly failed this class in terms of pve exotics in my opinion
Time to nerf it again
This build becomes 10x better when you add the awoken favors and maybe even the vexcalibur glaive which gives you nearly infinite overshield if you play right. Good build overall.
No. The mods make it unnecessary. You got it backwards.
I figured I’d try out HoIL and void for the campaign and I didn’t even notice the nerf and I didn’t even really optimize the mods (orb pick up regen or kickstarts) or even use anything for Void Breeches.
Since there’s no affinities Impact Induction and what ever the other one is I put each of those on and the grenade regen when you had an overshield still made it seem like I had infinite uptime on everything.
Having all the extra stuff that gminers has going on here is icing on the cake that might just be overkill you don’t even need.
Hide this from Bungee lol
No way GM says hi to me 😊
Hi
Dim?
(No offense)
I don't really like the heart of inmost light very much
It just Feels sort of boring to use on my Titan class
Most of the Titan exotics I don't like at all
Not offensive to share your opinion! I agree the exotic can be SUPER boring, but there is no denying it is really useful!
Hoil is balanced very good now, prenerf was overpowered af
Where’s miff???? Miff is love. Miff is life. Ps good build
Hide from it, run from it, hoil still arrives... Seriously kinda sad it's still this good but oh well
I dunno It's good but I think it's taken enough of a hit that it's a little trickier to abuse, whilst other exotic that let you spam an ability went up. Stuff like skullfort, or syntho bonk hammer for creating orbs goes a long way. I'm also curios about giving ashen wake a go...
But currently I'm just fucking around with severance enclosure to go along with the new fragment where finishers make things explode. And trying to brainstorm something with the feedback fence and the fragment that jolts targets when you get knocked down to critical?
Salty hunter or warlock main
@@Freebie6 As someone who exclusively plays Titan, I'm also kind of sad it's still busted. I like variety. (And also, maybe this is a hot take, but HOIL just looks bad by default, and only gets a little better with some ornaments.)
@@Freebie6 void hunter has a giga busted gryfalcons w/ repulser brace build they big chillin
@@Freebie6 I'm a titan main
someone send dim card?
I don't understand why people make these videos and only discuss the reduced cooldown reduction for the class ability, when the other major nerf was to cut the duration of the Empowered buff straight in half from 10 seconds duration to only 5 seconds. This means having the Empowered x2 buff is far less often, because you have 5 less seconds to use another ability in that time to gain Empowered x2. Which is a huge nerf, this is a much bigger nerf than the class ability regeneration speed that HOIL also got. Why the fuck do you people just ignore this and always focus on only the class ability regeneration nerf? You just don't know WTF you're talking about. The Empowered nerf affects all 3 abilities, grenade, melee, and class ability, on top of the class ability regen being nerfed. You have no business making videos where you try to be informative and factual, while totally ignoring the other half of Bungie's nerf to HOIL
lets gooo
wait could you provide a DIM link?
@@WafflesJG its in his disco
@@wegaxd i haven’t been to a disco in nearly 30 years 🕺🏻
@@Void3.0 HA HA HA
@@wegaxd dawg imma boomer when it comes to discord
useless builds be like
bad player comments be like
It's 2023 we need DIM links my man🥲