The dynamic between Stannis and Davos is brilliant; so much disagreement on how to best proceed, but ultimate loyalty and trust in one another. Davos represents one of the few truly honorable people in this universe.
G. Coleman davos made the choice to get his fingers cut off. he could have walked free, instead he was made wealthy and gave his family lives he never could have imagined for them
"These pardoned lords would do well to reflect on that. Good men and true will fight for Joffrey, wrongly believing him the true king. A northman might even say the same of Robb Stark. But these lords who flocked to my brother's banners knew him for a usurper. They turned their backs on their rightful king for no better reason than dreams of power and glory, and I have marked them for what they are. Pardoned them, yes. Forgiven. But not forgotten." -Stannis Baratheon
@@hamzamahmood9565 because that makes Renly look bad and Stannis more sympathetic. If you look at the behind the scenes footage of this episode, the writers of the show thought Stannis was objectively evil and that Renly would obviously make a better king. In actuality, GRRM wrote this series of events and even Stannis's character to be morally nuanced. I'll respond with a link to a video that goes into much more detail. This comment is already getting too long and I can't explain fully everything wrong the show's portrayal.
Colin McMurtray which is absurd because Stannis from the books is probably the best man to lead Westeros. Pity Dumb and Dumber didn’t try to understand the source material.
@@colinmcmurtray1827 Yeah it's been a while since I read the books but from what I remember Stannis was like a Ned Stark lite. Bit harsher but likely held the same ideals as him.
Most people didn't understand how monumental this scene was ... for Stannis to name a former commoner as admiral and later as Hand of the King.... that's unheard of.
Season 6 was the low point for me, with Battle of the Bastards of course being disproportionately great. 7 was a pretty mixed bag. I actually think this season is better than the previous two.
@@WMUser3 really? I thought episodes 9 and 10 of series 6 were almost as good as some of the best episodes in 1-4, except I think Jaime would've left cersei after she blew up the Sept. I wish they had some more backlash for her after that in series 7, and I wish they hadn't simplified the whole religious storyline but ultimately I thought those two were well made. Arya's plot line was generally good, until she survived being stabbed a bunch somehow, and bran's storyline was fantastic, especially the door and return of Benjen. Other than that, Euron and the sand snakes sucked. What did you dislike so much to make it worse than series 5?
And who stopped great Tyrells army at Storms End walls during the rebellion, who destroyed Victarion's fleet and lead the attack at the Great Wyk. Who took Dragonstone from the last Targaryen forces! Stannis, Stannis, STANNIS!
@@olgierdvoneverec3554 Well he didn't really stop the Tyrells there, Storm's End is just basically unbreachable. And they didn't try to anyway, since they knew they could starve them out.
@@NtoTheM he stopped them indeed as it's a big point of the books that it was his iron will that saved the castle as he suffered with his men even tho Tyrells had feasts in front of them. He did not break, like iron.
Pituszly HereShouldBeSername If this was season 8, Stannis, Renly, the Tyrells and Melisandre wouldn't exist because "they're not important". Can't have many characters with nuanced relationships when there's only 60 minutes per episode to make quips and eunuch jokes.
Kiano Uy Not true. Robb listened to Roose to send Ramsey to retake Winterfell. And looked how that turned out. Roose Bolton was already corrupt the first time you meet him.
Kevin Manrique Roose actually would have stayed loyal to Robb as he did to Ned if Robb was a better listener/strategist. Robb did win every battle, but he did a lot of stupid things like marrying that girl and not pursuing his attacks on Lannisters. The only time he listened to Roose was when it was too late.
brwnipoints That could be of been a possibility. Though I think Roose was "loyal" to Ned Stark because there was no real opportunity to overthrow him. Like Littlefinger says chaos is a ladder and a lot of people in Game of Thrones used it to their advantage.
We only missed the "peach" quote, but I think this also shows his connection to Renly and hidden regret. His brother was a traitor and faced the penalty for betraying his rightful king, and yet Stannis still wishes it could have been different. This shows he isn't as stoic and emotionless as he pretends to be, there is a conscience behind the cold exterior and single minded focus on justice and duty. This also makes him a kinslayer, which according to how things work in Westeros, places him under a "curse".
Varys didn't mean it as a compliment. Stannis is pure justice, which sounds great until you see what pure justice looks like. “If we all got what we deserved we'd all be dead." Justice is worthless if it's not tempered by mercy. Stannis was too bitter a man to be a good king. His default opinion of anyone was to hate them, and then for the occasional person he might decide to change his mind. Ned placed too great an emphasis on honor. Cat placed too great an emphasis on family. Tywin and Cersei both placed too great an emphasis on control. Jaime placed too great an emphasis on love. Tyrion placed too much emphasis on pride. Robert and Renly both placed too great an emphasis on pleasure. Stannis placed too great an emphasis on duty. Daenerys placed too great an emphasis on her dreams. ASoIaF is full of characters who are ALMOST great, but are missing something or other. Daenerys being the most notable example. Stannis is CLOSE to being a great king, but he focuses too much on his rules to the detriment of his humanity. He's so focused on his duty to serve the Seven Kingdoms as king, and his perceived duty to fulfil the prophecy of Azor Ahai, that he sacrifices too much to it.
@@BravoDoxStannis sacrifices his justice for the good of the realm. He didn't burn Mance because Mance can help him fight the others. He murdered Renly (even if unknowingly) and sacrificed his honour to try to claim the throne. The whole reason he wants the iron throne is to protect the realm against the others and save people, he sees it as his duty. Nothing is above his duty to him.
@@BravoDox Interesting take! All of them are flawed, who would be the best person to sit the throne? Even with his flaws, (book) Stannis would still be the best king for Westeros in my humble opinion..
@@NoBrainer457I mean, everyone is flawed. GRRM is obviously writing Jon to have the best of all he's interacted with: Ned, Joer, Stannis, etc. Aside from future Jon, I'd argue Kevan Lannister. He's dutiful, reasonable, and fairly wise. Not as cruel as Tywin. Without his duty as second son to obey Tywin and given more autonomy, he seems like he'd be just and honorable. Davos as a close second. Honorable and humble but lacks the political training to rule.
Shahroze Khan show really went downhill with Ramsey’s “20 good men”:..just really bad writing. Show has sucked since that episode except for battle of the bastards
ภูวเมศฐ์ อนุชาชาติ not a douchebag. Mace Tyrell is a fool but he is still wise enough to let competent advisors do the job (so of course his mother really rules). And she is clever enough to know that the real winners come right at the decisive moment of the war, not blindly charging as soon as possible. Allied with Renly, that would have made Margaery queen. With Renly dead, the move they did was marrying Margaery to the Lannisters, turning the tide of the war in their favor (80 000 or 100 000 extra soldiers is a significant advantage)
Alamo Patriot It is literally a normal, ordinary sentence with no wit or higher point behind it, just a bit of anger. Your standarts must be really, REALLY low. What's next? "I´ve just had breakfast," said Stannis. "Brilliant!" yelled the really odd group of fans.
***** and double traitors at that, they threw in with the Targaryens, why the hell Robert didn't kill their house off is beyond me, and it wasn't like the Martells where they were kinda forced to fight alongside the Targaryens (they were insulted by Rhaegar for choosing Lyanna over Elia at the tourney at Harrenhal, and received threats from the Targaryens forcing them to join in)
Gorgeous scene. Love Stannis' initial anger. He's furious that he had to kill his brother; he hates that he was forced to it and hates how he had to do it. And he hates his new Lords because they are all traitors who should have immediately rallied to him. He loves justices and would love to hang them, but, damn it, he needs them to win the crown; the thing that he also hates because he's forced to fight for it, when it should be given to him, but also because he doesn't really want it, but it's his duty to take it. So much rage, such a tragic tale. Then Davos unlocks the anger with the truth - undeterred by Stannis trying to tell him to f off, he persists because he loves him and Stannis loves him back. His rage melts into a cool change in policy, then collapses into sadness at the difficulty and ugliness of it all. Such a nuanced, brilliant performance. This guy is one of the best actors around.
Alexander Millar has just stRted rereading davos chapters. Those lords did the right thing. Renley was their lord. They couldn’t side with stannis. This show is to great
That line. That one line describes the downfall of King Robb and Daenerys, Robb by beheading lord Karstark and causing a large part of his army to abandon him, and Daenerys with her abuse of the masters in the cities she liberated causing them to create the Sons of the Harpy, and later in Westeros her habit of burning anyone not loyal to her which foreshadows her descent into madness and burning kings landing. That line sets the stage for seasons of conflict and the main dillema behind the ending and it's fantastic.
The acting is the only redeeming factor of Seasons 7 & 8. The dialogue, plot and characterisation is still shit, but the best thing about 8 is that it finally gives Emilia Clarke opportunities to do some good acting and fucking emote.
Ignoramus the Zetetic acting, Ramin Djawaji’s music, directing, visual effects have all been the best I’ve ever seen. It’s been sad to see all the mistakes the writers have made, I’m just trying to enjoy it for what it is. Sure it annoys me, but there’s no turning back now. Still the most Entertaining show on TV
@@thegreekdeal4747 Yeah. People are surprised the show went to complete shit in the end, but seeing what they were doing to Stannis was already a massive red flag.
Yeah, and they also removed several plotlines from the 4th and 5th books, and stretched them into one season, except for a few storylines who got pushed in season 6 (ironborn, Sam to the Citadel, and siege of Riverrun). The ironborn were always butchered in the show, but destroying Euron was criminal. I also hate it how they made the Freys incompetent, since they are supposed to be a real threat, and the most powerful house in the Riverlands. The Freys in season 6 make impossible to believe they could succeed with the Red Wedding. In the books we know Walder and Lothar to be smart and dangerous as fuck, and Black Walder to be an actual threat. Overall, the storylines who got destroyed the most were Dorne, Iron Islands, Stannis, and the whole northern conspiracy revolving around Stannis's campaign and House Stark. In the show the Red Wedding had NO repercussions whatsoever. What makes the books feel more real is how the "bad" corrupted families win, but they destroy themselves because of their own flaws after they won. No punishment from heroes; just them turning against each other, or their own actions causing political damage and serious consequences. It's also a tragedy, because Freys and Lannisters have decent members too, and they get caught up in the fights because of their family name.
Got a small question. In the end of 'A dance of dragons', Ramsay sends Jon a letter saying that he killed Stannis and his army. But in the epilogue, Theon is captured by Stannis. Because if the time consistency with AFFC and ADOD it could be that this happened before. So is Stannis still alive or not?
@@davethewave2197 Ramsay asked Jon to "return his bride arya and reek". If he had killed Stannis, at least one of Theon and Poole would be captured. Plus it doesn't make sense for the tactical idiot books Ramsay to beat Stannis in battle.
Vortex, Martin already said in his own words that Stannis is "alive beyond a doubt", so anything about his status is no speculation. Martin said he's alive because he never viewed Stannis's status as a spoiler....the pink letter was meant to be a blatant lie. Ramsay was pathetically begging for hostages against Stannis; he demanded Jon to hand over Selyse, Shireen, and Melisandre.
totally out of character how he kills his daughter, and its disgusting to see ramsey beat a far superior tactician. A huge gripe about this show is that tactics and stratedgy is thrown out the window in all the big battles after like season 3/4
In fairness, what the show did to him looks like what the books might eventually do to him. We get that preview chapter for Winds of Winter, and that is essentially the scene before he burns Shereen. I'd imagine that something that comes that soon after what GRR has written, was probably guided by him, so I think we can imagine that we'll get something fairly similar if the next book is ever released.
@@sammason1092 Nothing of the sort is happening to Stannis in the preview chapters. I am not mocking you, but I have to ask you: are you illiterate? Show: Stannis loses most of his army to desertion, burns his daughter and then attacks Winterfell with his weak and starved army with no plan, only to be defeated easily. Book: Stannis keeps gaining soldiers from northenerns who join him. After absorbing the mountain clans and remaining Glover forces after freeing Deepwood Motte from ironborn hands he marches to Winterfell. He is even sought after by the Iron Bank who promise more money to him so he can hire more mercenaries. His daughter, wife and witch are all at the Wall, safely hidden. He stops at a fishing village where he prepares to take on the combined assault of the Frey, Umber and Manderly forces at once, having already dealt with false Karstark allies who intended to betray him. There is no parallel, except that book and show Stannis have completely *opposite* situations. Even if he dies in the book, he will certainly not lose to Ramsey Snow, a brash, impatient and incompetent general and neither is Brienne anywhere close to him, able to execute her "revenge" over the death of a pompous usurper and pretender, because she has forgotten that desire in the book. Stannis is implied to be some sort of false messiah/false hope as the symbolism of the burning sword with no heat implies, so he might die eventually.
how did he care? he walked into a war he obviously couldnt win, was outnumbered a hundred to one because he refused to make basic concessions for alliances, and got himself and his whole house slaughtered.
Plenty of people liked Stannis, thats why in the books he's capable of gathering most of the north to his side, the wildlings, and the mountain men too. The people that disliked Stannis were the people that knew Stannis was to smart to let them rise any further in power, If Stannis was king Vary's and Littlefinger both would loose all the power they had. In the books Stannis would absolutely never had anyone burned for not agreeing to change their religion, that was D&D fan fiction in S4 E1, nothing more. Atheism isn't really a thing in Game of thrones, but Stannis was the closest to an Atheistic character in that universe.
+Paulie Walnuts this exactly. he was sad that he had to kill him because he was his brother. but knew if he did not kill him then renly would kill stannis so it had to be done, he just wishes renly was not an usurper idiot and made him do it
He puts entitlement over charisma. Expectations over pragmatism. Renly was absolutely right about Stannis: Nobody likes him. Nobody supported him. Throughout his life, he had managed to alienate himself from all of his own supporters, in one way, or another. That's why people don't like him. Great character tho tbf
It used to be so sophisticated and felt like it was actually telling a genuine medieval fantasy story and you’re going to witness the hard brutal politics and battles instead of just pandering to fanboys and girls with LE EPIC DRAGONS!!!!!!!1!!!1!1!
if Stannis didnt need all those lords who supported renly, for his current army, he sure as shit would have burned or hung them for treason, so they should consider themselves lucky, knowing renly was the younger brother with a false claim, I like the book scene better, where he states out many of the men fighting for joffrey least believe he is the legit king and believed he really was king bobs son, but the renly banner men declared for renly knowing he was the younger brother of stannis which is against every basic law in the lands
In the books Stannis is horrified over Renly. Not for his sake but because he was so just that he found the idea of assassinating his brother revolting. D&D really hated Stannis for some reason. I guess fools do love a fool.
D&D didn’t hate Stannis, insomuch as theism in general The High Sparrow has yet to go quite as far as his HBO counterpart, Melisandre was more open to compromises (especially with Mance Rayder), and while Davos’s HBO counterpart was an atheist, the book Davos is still reverent to the Seven
@@benjaminosterloh3605 Stannis is a giant atheist in the books. He has a whole speech about how he doesn't believe in any gods or worship any. He keeps Melisandre around because she has magic and is powerful and because his wife's family, The Florents are followers of her religion. He frequently downplays the religion and is at odds with them. "There will be no burnings, pray harder."
wayne king is right. I never really considered that. Stannis was one of the most interesting characters on the entire show. I can not make up my mind if he was honorable & just or selfish & cruel. He was unyielding that much is certain. I loved the way he met his end by instructing Brienne to do her duty. He understood her cause & that for her it was just & courageous. He seemed in my mind at least glad to be killed by the fulfillment of someone's duty, maybe even the fulfillment of duty to the Baratheon name. He would not have ever just accepted this prior to that series of events that led to that day, but after all of that, he certainly saw the writing on the wall & did not need any help understanding the meaning of it all at the end. Like I said in my mind he was almost glad to be means to the end of Brienne's commitment to his brother. He was a soldier & understood and or recognized a fellow follower of one's duty. He was summed up I think in this & in his doomed battle of blackwater bay, when someone informed him of the loss of life from the wildfyre & the admission that yes many more would die in trying to take the city but onward you must go for it is your duty. Like I said, is he a good guy or a bad guy? I think we would all agree more bad than good after he allowed his precious daughter to be burned. But, what if that action led to his victory & to the iron throne where he was in a position to save everyone during the long night? That is what he thought he was doing. I would love to read an alternate universe book where we see him on the iron throne & leading the 7 kingdoms during the long night, also a version where tywin Lannister was in that crucial role. I think at least maybe you could say that Stannis was not as selfish as Tywin. Tywin wanted to see his house exalted & also allow the 7 kingdoms to flourish beneath him. Stannis I don't think cared so much to see his family become a great dynasty he just wanted what was his by right & he would fulfill his duty to the 7 kingdoms. He actually did not seem to even like his family very much. These strong complex characters are fascinating to say the least.
I think the Lannisters would claim that he was a traitor who forfeited his rights by his initial rebellion. Plus, Cersei would never accept a challenge to her power just because of rights. She tore up King Robert's words, saying that Ned Stark would be Protector of the Realm for many years. Ned had the right to rule; it was the King's wishes and Joffrey wasn't even coronated. But it was ignored because she bought the right people and terrified the others.
+Juliana Augusto Lets make him film a scene that requires to burn a child despite that he lost his siter on a fire.Lets kill his character and his entire family to make sure he wont have a future not even as reference and give his arc to Snow (the funny thing is that both dump $ dumper and Stephen Dillane have no idea how many fans Stannis have,even with this awfully bad writing...).
Drew F So true. The writers dislike Stannis (which I don't see how you can) and that reflects in the tv show. Though I would say Stannis really shines where the show is now. So if they fuck his parts here. I would be pissed. They made it seem like he was sulking forever at Dragon Stone for 2 seasons after the battle of Blackwater Bay.
I wish Renly had tossed him a peach during the parley, and then at the end of this scene, the camera pans down from Stannis' weary gaze to the see the peach on the table, rotting.
"What do you believe?" I love that question because Stannis clearly doesn't give a shit what other people thinks of him. But the opinion of Davos was important to him
2:35 is probably the closest we get to "the peach" in the books. You can see Stannis' lip quiver a bit and his whole demeanor change. I think in this small moment he does regret killing his brother, even if the remainder of the scene only lasts for a few seconds more.
i don't know if we're supposed to like him or hate him but for some reason I'm rooting for Stannis at the moment.. hahaha. He's akward but he's still badass in his own way.
Hes a lot nicer in the books, even having a monologue about avenging Robert, Jon, Ned and Renly, where he then talks about how he will never stop thinking about his brother.
JateGuitar I think he means more honorable because he does come across as so in the books. It's also never said if he truly was responsible for Renly's death or if that was Melisandre just taking care of the trash behind Stannis's back. "I was in my tent when he died, and when I woke my hands were clean".
+brwnipoints Well apparently doesn't haunt him anymore :L The writers of the show are really destroying cool parts of the book I have heard from friends. Ser Barristan
+SlickStitch he does not regret what he did. he had to kill renly before renly killed him. that said he still did love him and hated it had to be that way
It's a shame if Benioff and Weiss are casting Stannis in a negative light because they don't like him. Though, I suppose not liking him is understandable. But I don't think they would be deliberately unfaithful to a major character like that. I like Dillane's portrayal. It's more subtle than book!Stannis, even though I miss his constant bitter raging against everything. I think the showrunners are choosing to highlight the fact that, despite being the true king and a messiah, Stannis' life sucks majorly and its wearing him down. This scene really demonstrates that.
There are two reasons why the craven Tyrells didn't join Stannis. One, Stannis is already married. Two, they're still salty about the siege of Storm's End.
Dumb ans dumber s great dilemma was they hated Stannis and by seasons Stannis got bigger and bigger and perhaps bigger than the show. So they decided to make him evil, they made Stannis burn his daughter so everybody would hate him and his death would be justified. But guess what, STANNIS BARATHEON will live forever in his fan s hearts. LONG HE MAY REIGN
+Murat Sahintas even worse they changed how the books will be, with stannis alive and beating the boltons, just so they can keep another hated person/family (boltons) around as something the fans can still root against, they never liked stannis or did him any justice.......show stannis he burns a florent for keeping his faith of the 7 idols up.......book stannis....."I WILL HAVE NO BURNINGS, PRAY HARDER, HALF OF MY ARMY IS MADE UP OF NON BELIEVERS, PRAY HARDER"
Going back and watching clips from the first 4 seasons of this show is really quite something. It's like, "Oh yeah, that's why this show was such a phenomenon!"
Stannis keeping Davos by his side despite Davos disagreeing with him so much shows one of Stannis' greatest virtues. Even if you'll never get him to admit it, he knows that every now and then, he needs someone to tell him he's wrong. It shows a degree of humility that most people lack.
I know he will die, I just hope that it is for a purpose and after achieving something. In the show they killed him off like a dog on the wayside, his death led to nothing. Just tying up loose ends Dumb and Dumber didn’t want to deal with. I believe Stannis as a character is too much of a force of nature to die like that. He will die achieving another great feat like the numerous others in his life and he will fulfil his duty.
Stannis of house Baratheon first of his name king of the Andals the the Rhoynar and the First Men Lord of the Seven Kingdoms and protector of the realm
I really wish Stannis becomes the king and gets rid of subtle people like Baelish and Varys somehow and puts some people who are loyal and good at their job at the council. He is the rightful heir and I think he also has the required qualities to be a good ruler. Dont get me wrong, I completely respect those two, they are so good at what do and have aims of their own. I just dont think, however, their existance is any good in a kingdom.
Nobles respect him, but not the common people. I like him, but as a king he would have rebellion. Imagine yourself King's landing without whorehauses and half men without hand or fingers for common robbery. He is great leader, but not a king.
Stannis would not last long after the kingdom is stabilized without people like Varys and Baelish on his side-he is terrible with subtle politics. He would, I imagine not mind ruling Storm's End if the Young Griff or Daenerys comes to claim the throne
"Grew to be." You mean the last episode Stannis was alive, where ever decision he made goes against his fundamental personality traits? No that was D&D and their shitty script writing abilities.
I don't understand how people supported Renly... Don't get me wrong I really liked him, he would've made a great king, but how can any of them legitimately say he's the rightful heir? Stannis is the older brother so it falls to him... they could've should joined sides and had Renly take over when Stannis died provided he didn't have children, although he would have. Anyhow, calling Renly the rightful heir is bizarre since he's the younger brother to Robert, whereas Stannis is the older and therefore next in line.
I think the argument could be made that only someone who follows the Seven can be king. Stannis, believing in R'holler, would then be disqualifyed from inheriting the Iron Throne. I don't believe that is written into the law in Westeros, but a more stern believer could still make that argument. This is my take on that point, but I a l so believe that Stannis himself also has just as strong, if not more so, claim to the Throne.
+OmsoiTekken Basically what +14koder said. Stannis was cut off from Westeros in his position as Lord of Dragonstone. On top of that he was a incapable politician and did not inspire any loyalty. He was also rumored taking advice from foreign sorcerers which just further distances him from Westeros culture. Meanwhile, Renly was the Lord of Storms End and a capable politician. I can understand why the bannermen would follow their lord instead of his exiled fanatic, autistic older brother. I would have done the same.
+Alexei Strife He had experience as Master of Laws, he was popular at court and among the lords, he did not glorify war as Robert did, and he was much better than the alternatives. As Loras explained it, the realm would not follow Joffrey because he was a monster, Tommen because was too young and Stannis because he had the personality of a lobster.
+NinjaFilip "Personality" doesn't mean shit when you're the rightful heir to the throne. And are you forgetting that just prior to Season 1, Stannis had a position on the Small Council and was in King's Landing?
I actually really respect Stannis and Davos. The way he ran up on those wildlings was Epic. Just wish he wouldn't let that Red Woman tell him what to do like that.
he actually doesn't he just takes advice from her he himself is an atheist and doesn't believe everything she says and that her god exist but does see she has power
This is a king you can trust for he listens to his counsel and accept what they has to say no matter if it hurts or not. Just look at Geoffrey who doesnt listen to his loyal subjects thus died, look at Rob Stark and how the older, more experienced bannermen of his army grew tired of him, just look at Daenarys and her dismissing Jorah the only man who truely and really loves her, though I like Danny but her dismissing Jorah and not listening to Baristan will surely bite her back.... one day. Just as Twyin Lannister said, a wise king listens to those who knows better and Davos knows what is good and Stannis listens, a good trait for a wise king.
Looking back, it's ironic that Stannis left Melisandre behind as a result of Davos's urging. Davos believed that his doing so was in Stannis's best interests, but as it turned out, it was some of the worst advice anyone ever gave. All that wildfire, and the one person who could have stopped it, left behind...
One of the reasons why Davos is one of my favorite characters of ASOIAF is that because of his humble background he doesn't have that pride to blind his judgment, something that I always thought it was one of Stannis weakness. They balance each other just right.
Because the Tyrells knew Stannis would have investigated who first gave Renly the idea to challenge his claim......and he would not forgive them for turning his younger brother against him
Hey folks, any HD upload requests? It doesn't have to be AGOT related!
Batman vs superman warehouse rescue scene,one of the best choreographed fights of batman,plz
@@amanbharti5431 will do my friend! ❤
@@brwnipoints And you didn't do it :|
There were less mistakes then....I mean fewer
@@tarnos12 they did do it, but the video got taken down because of a copyright strike.
Ahhh, back when dialogue was well written and served a purpose...
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Arya has dabbed in the chat
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its like its turned into a high school play with a huge budget
Gahh, beat me to the punch
I want my 2012 back
The dynamic between Stannis and Davos is brilliant; so much disagreement on how to best proceed, but ultimate loyalty and trust in one another. Davos represents one of the few truly honorable people in this universe.
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+TickTak77 is a fucking show nothing honorable about it ....................Hard fact Cut one Way
Pizza it's a world people are invested in. If you aren't included in that, fuck off.
No shit, dude cut his fingers off still here
G. Coleman davos made the choice to get his fingers cut off. he could have walked free, instead he was made wealthy and gave his family lives he never could have imagined for them
"These pardoned lords would do well to reflect on that. Good men and true will fight for Joffrey, wrongly believing him the true king. A northman might even say the same of Robb Stark. But these lords who flocked to my brother's banners knew him for a usurper. They turned their backs on their rightful king for no better reason than dreams of power and glory, and I have marked them for what they are. Pardoned them, yes. Forgiven. But not forgotten." -Stannis Baratheon
Why didn't the show include these lines? D&D basically ignored free real estate
@@hamzamahmood9565 because that makes Renly look bad and Stannis more sympathetic. If you look at the behind the scenes footage of this episode, the writers of the show thought Stannis was objectively evil and that Renly would obviously make a better king. In actuality, GRRM wrote this series of events and even Stannis's character to be morally nuanced. I'll respond with a link to a video that goes into much more detail. This comment is already getting too long and I can't explain fully everything wrong the show's portrayal.
@@hamzamahmood9565 th-cam.com/video/tPz36xO3oG8/w-d-xo.html
Colin McMurtray which is absurd because Stannis from the books is probably the best man to lead Westeros. Pity Dumb and Dumber didn’t try to understand the source material.
@@colinmcmurtray1827 Yeah it's been a while since I read the books but from what I remember Stannis was like a Ned Stark lite. Bit harsher but likely held the same ideals as him.
I grieve for the show this was, not the show it grew to be.
Makes me sad
Damn bro that hit me hard
Those that sympathise with D.D "fools love fools"
The saddest death of all was that of the writing
Please don't use the word ''grieve'' so lightly.
Most people didn't understand how monumental this scene was ... for Stannis to name a former commoner as admiral and later as Hand of the King.... that's unheard of.
Vlad Bayard Hey you know what else is unheard of? You shutting the hell up.
I was just kidding. Sorry.
+Vlad Bayard Cardinal Wolsey, Thomas Cromwell ect.. But I get your point!
Kopite4life12 Man, I was talking about the world of Westeros :)))
Vlad Bayard Yes I know, but its the same generally for any feudal society!
This level of dialog has sorely been missed for GoT for at least two seasons. Shame.
The first half of this show is perfect ( season 1-4 ) the second half not so much ( season 5-8 )
@@emperorbartu2414 there was a lot of good in series 5 and 6, but unfortunately not so much in 7 or 8
Season 6 was the low point for me, with Battle of the Bastards of course being disproportionately great. 7 was a pretty mixed bag. I actually think this season is better than the previous two.
@@WMUser3 really? I thought episodes 9 and 10 of series 6 were almost as good as some of the best episodes in 1-4, except I think Jaime would've left cersei after she blew up the Sept. I wish they had some more backlash for her after that in series 7, and I wish they hadn't simplified the whole religious storyline but ultimately I thought those two were well made. Arya's plot line was generally good, until she survived being stabbed a bunch somehow, and bran's storyline was fantastic, especially the door and return of Benjen. Other than that, Euron and the sand snakes sucked. What did you dislike so much to make it worse than series 5?
stop your bitching, the show is at different point now, theres no time or room for this
"Most of those lords should consider themselves lucky I don't hang them for treason.´´
Stannis is awesome.
Alejandro Medina Dany would have murdered them but Stannis is more smarter than that :)
Alejandro Medina Still believe that?
fatcarl76 yes, because he never kills his daughter on the books. Jon Snow get stabbed on the back several times by his own watch brothers.
Alejandro Medina YET. In the books he hasnt YET.
I was way too awesome for the show, so they cut me off.
Who would anyway support Dany if i were still around..
Let's not forget that this is the only man who answered when Aemon Targaryen called for help.
Mad Titan the king who cared 😔
And who stopped great Tyrells army at Storms End walls during the rebellion, who destroyed Victarion's fleet and lead the attack at the Great Wyk. Who took Dragonstone from the last Targaryen forces! Stannis, Stannis, STANNIS!
@@olgierdvoneverec3554 Well he didn't really stop the Tyrells there, Storm's End is just basically unbreachable.
And they didn't try to anyway, since they knew they could starve them out.
@@NtoTheM he stopped them indeed as it's a big point of the books that it was his iron will that saved the castle as he suffered with his men even tho Tyrells had feasts in front of them. He did not break, like iron.
@@alexk6343 But he didn't stop anyone. He held out.
The alternative was leave and die anyway.
"People grieve for him, You're Grace."
"Fools love a fool."
Jesus Christ, Stannis has no fucking chill. I love him.
I loved how he said this knowing that he grieves for his brother also
@@juergenmati6288 ''Loved him for the boy he was...'' Literally right after
Your* Grace.
Chill is nothing. WILL is EVERYTHING!
@@juergenmati6288 And you see it at the very end also.
If this was season 8, after Stannis says "what's the truth" in 1:32 , the scene would end or someone would come and interfere
This somehow nails every issue I’ve had with Season 5-8 dialogue better than anything else.
Pituszly HereShouldBeSername If this was season 8, Stannis, Renly, the Tyrells and Melisandre wouldn't exist because "they're not important". Can't have many characters with nuanced relationships when there's only 60 minutes per episode to make quips and eunuch jokes.
You forgot Davos saying "He's my king"
"Stannis ...kinda forgets.. about the rest of the concersation"
I don't want it
Stannis does something robb didnt he takes his peoples advises
David Walker Roose Bolton said Robb ignored his advice at every turn.
Needless to say I won't make the same mistake if I was King in the North.
Kiano Uy Not true. Robb listened to Roose to send Ramsey to retake Winterfell. And looked how that turned out. Roose Bolton was already corrupt the first time you meet him.
Kevin Manrique Roose actually would have stayed loyal to Robb as he did to Ned if Robb was a better listener/strategist. Robb did win every battle, but he did a lot of stupid things like marrying that girl and not pursuing his attacks on Lannisters.
The only time he listened to Roose was when it was too late.
brwnipoints That could be of been a possibility. Though I think Roose was "loyal" to Ned Stark because there was no real opportunity to overthrow him. Like Littlefinger says chaos is a ladder and a lot of people in Game of Thrones used it to their advantage.
David Walker It was for Honor.
“Fools love a fool” “I loved him for the boy he was not the man he came to be”
Epic quotes
Salty quotes
We only missed the "peach" quote, but I think this also shows his connection to Renly and hidden regret. His brother was a traitor and faced the penalty for betraying his rightful king, and yet Stannis still wishes it could have been different. This shows he isn't as stoic and emotionless as he pretends to be, there is a conscience behind the cold exterior and single minded focus on justice and duty. This also makes him a kinslayer, which according to how things work in Westeros, places him under a "curse".
"Stannis is the most terrifying thing in the world, a truly just man." -Varys
Varys didn't mean it as a compliment. Stannis is pure justice, which sounds great until you see what pure justice looks like.
“If we all got what we deserved we'd all be dead."
Justice is worthless if it's not tempered by mercy. Stannis was too bitter a man to be a good king. His default opinion of anyone was to hate them, and then for the occasional person he might decide to change his mind.
Ned placed too great an emphasis on honor. Cat placed too great an emphasis on family. Tywin and Cersei both placed too great an emphasis on control. Jaime placed too great an emphasis on love. Tyrion placed too much emphasis on pride. Robert and Renly both placed too great an emphasis on pleasure. Stannis placed too great an emphasis on duty. Daenerys placed too great an emphasis on her dreams. ASoIaF is full of characters who are ALMOST great, but are missing something or other. Daenerys being the most notable example.
Stannis is CLOSE to being a great king, but he focuses too much on his rules to the detriment of his humanity. He's so focused on his duty to serve the Seven Kingdoms as king, and his perceived duty to fulfil the prophecy of Azor Ahai, that he sacrifices too much to it.
@@BravoDoxStannis sacrifices his justice for the good of the realm. He didn't burn Mance because Mance can help him fight the others. He murdered Renly (even if unknowingly) and sacrificed his honour to try to claim the throne. The whole reason he wants the iron throne is to protect the realm against the others and save people, he sees it as his duty. Nothing is above his duty to him.
@@BravoDox Interesting take! All of them are flawed, who would be the best person to sit the throne? Even with his flaws, (book) Stannis would still be the best king for Westeros in my humble opinion..
@@NoBrainer457I mean, everyone is flawed. GRRM is obviously writing Jon to have the best of all he's interacted with: Ned, Joer, Stannis, etc.
Aside from future Jon, I'd argue Kevan Lannister. He's dutiful, reasonable, and fairly wise. Not as cruel as Tywin. Without his duty as second son to obey Tywin and given more autonomy, he seems like he'd be just and honorable.
Davos as a close second. Honorable and humble but lacks the political training to rule.
@@NoBrainer457 Also the best heir - Queen Shireen!
MY GOD I MISS HOW GOOD THIS SHOW WAS
Shahroze Khan GODS IT WAS STRONG THEN
I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE FOR DAYS, START ANOTHER DAMN REWATCH OF THE EARLY SEASONS BEFORE I PISS MESELF.
THANK THE GODS FOR SEASON 1 AND ITS WRITING
BOW YOU SHITS
Shahroze Khan show really went downhill with Ramsey’s “20 good men”:..just really bad writing. Show has sucked since that episode except for battle of the bastards
"Except for the Tyrell's who fled like cowards." One of many great lines from the Mannis.
The Tyrells weren´t bannermen, they had an alliance trough marriage with renly, not with stannis.
Rakven Renly is dead. Stannis is the king. The Tyrells are cowards, and traitors.
ภูวเมศฐ์ อนุชาชาติ not a douchebag. Mace Tyrell is a fool but he is still wise enough to let competent advisors do the job (so of course his mother really rules). And she is clever enough to know that the real winners come right at the decisive moment of the war, not blindly charging as soon as possible.
Allied with Renly, that would have made Margaery queen. With Renly dead, the move they did was marrying Margaery to the Lannisters, turning the tide of the war in their favor (80 000 or 100 000 extra soldiers is a significant advantage)
Alamo Patriot It is literally a normal, ordinary sentence with no wit or higher point behind it, just a bit of anger. Your standarts must be really, REALLY low. What's next?
"I´ve just had breakfast," said Stannis.
"Brilliant!" yelled the really odd group of fans.
***** and double traitors at that, they threw in with the Targaryens, why the hell Robert didn't kill their house off is beyond me, and it wasn't like the Martells where they were kinda forced to fight alongside the Targaryens (they were insulted by Rhaegar for choosing Lyanna over Elia at the tourney at Harrenhal, and received threats from the Targaryens forcing them to join in)
Stephen Dillane is an amazing actor! He captures every single scene he is in.
And that, even though he apparently didn't give a shit about Game of Thrones to begin with.
that makes him soooo stannis he did his duty as the righful actor :D
salar KH
Damn right. This man's a hell of a method actor.
Stannis Baratheon sure does a good job playing this Stephen Dillane fella.
He never understand a shit from the show so Liam Cunningham explained him the scenes
haha
Gorgeous scene. Love Stannis' initial anger. He's furious that he had to kill his brother; he hates that he was forced to it and hates how he had to do it. And he hates his new Lords because they are all traitors who should have immediately rallied to him. He loves justices and would love to hang them, but, damn it, he needs them to win the crown; the thing that he also hates because he's forced to fight for it, when it should be given to him, but also because he doesn't really want it, but it's his duty to take it. So much rage, such a tragic tale.
Then Davos unlocks the anger with the truth - undeterred by Stannis trying to tell him to f off, he persists because he loves him and Stannis loves him back. His rage melts into a cool change in policy, then collapses into sadness at the difficulty and ugliness of it all. Such a nuanced, brilliant performance. This guy is one of the best actors around.
Stannis has balls of steel then. I like your perspective.
He is the one true king.
You sir have a very keen observation
Alexander Millar has just stRted rereading davos chapters. Those lords did the right thing. Renley was their lord. They couldn’t side with stannis. This show is to great
@@princedeluca27 Renly was their Lord, but Stannis was their King, and their allegiance was rightly owed.
"Most of those Lords should consider themselves lucky i don't hang em for treason" - one of the most badass quotes of the whole series.
goosebumps
Facts!
Gods I miss the good seasons of the show. The thing it became by the finale was a completely different and terrible story
That line. That one line describes the downfall of King Robb and Daenerys, Robb by beheading lord Karstark and causing a large part of his army to abandon him, and Daenerys with her abuse of the masters in the cities she liberated causing them to create the Sons of the Harpy, and later in Westeros her habit of burning anyone not loyal to her which foreshadows her descent into madness and burning kings landing. That line sets the stage for seasons of conflict and the main dillema behind the ending and it's fantastic.
@@unflexian danys madness for killing innocents was rushed and poorly set up tho
He acting and dialogue in this scene alone destroys Seasons 7-8 put together
NO SHIT
The acting is the only redeeming factor of Seasons 7 & 8. The dialogue, plot and characterisation is still shit, but the best thing about 8 is that it finally gives Emilia Clarke opportunities to do some good acting and fucking emote.
Guns & Guillotines
Ignoramus the Zetetic acting, Ramin Djawaji’s music, directing, visual effects have all been the best I’ve ever seen. It’s been sad to see all the mistakes the writers have made, I’m just trying to enjoy it for what it is. Sure it annoys me, but there’s no turning back now. Still the most Entertaining show on TV
8 not 7
The fact that dillane stated he didnt really care for acting all that well while still being the best actor on the set is amazing
Blame d and d for ruining most of his storyline by cutting parts and putting in parts that conflicted with his character.
@@thegreekdeal4747 Yeah. People are surprised the show went to complete shit in the end, but seeing what they were doing to Stannis was already a massive red flag.
He didn't care about this role at all
Ser Davos: "I DON WON'NET"
"YER MUH KEEEEEEEEEENG"
Lol
lmfao!
KWEEEEEN*
Oh god... Davos was butchered in s8 and still the best character
@@holysecret2 Stannis is a man, so no.
No one deliver lines with such grace & strength like Stannis, he would've made the 7 kingdoms united & strong. Such an awesome king.
like trump
Except Trump would never burn his daughter. He wants to fuck her too much.
+Jonathan Forster hold this L and get the fuck outta here
Jayson Carrasquillo hold this L?
+Jonathan Forster hold this L
The good old days when they didn't have the budget for all the spectacular action scenes and had ti substitute with good dialouge.
It doesnt have much to do with budget. They just ran out of content from the books.
@@zeroc977 yeah that too, although they started doing dumb shit evem before they run out of book Material.
*cough cough* Dorn *cough cough*
Yeah, and they also removed several plotlines from the 4th and 5th books, and stretched them into one season, except for a few storylines who got pushed in season 6 (ironborn, Sam to the Citadel, and siege of Riverrun). The ironborn were always butchered in the show, but destroying Euron was criminal. I also hate it how they made the Freys incompetent, since they are supposed to be a real threat, and the most powerful house in the Riverlands. The Freys in season 6 make impossible to believe they could succeed with the Red Wedding. In the books we know Walder and Lothar to be smart and dangerous as fuck, and Black Walder to be an actual threat. Overall, the storylines who got destroyed the most were Dorne, Iron Islands, Stannis, and the whole northern conspiracy revolving around Stannis's campaign and House Stark. In the show the Red Wedding had NO repercussions whatsoever. What makes the books feel more real is how the "bad" corrupted families win, but they destroy themselves because of their own flaws after they won. No punishment from heroes; just them turning against each other, or their own actions causing political damage and serious consequences. It's also a tragedy, because Freys and Lannisters have decent members too, and they get caught up in the fights because of their family name.
Every day grows darker without the light of Stannis the Mannis
i hope stannis wins the war
when maybe the next book is released
Wendin George wants the show to end first. It’s hard to keep a series this popular going. He wants to make sure what he publishes is masterpiece.
Isaac he wants the show to end first because he has a contract with HBO where he can only release his next book when the series ends
Got a small question. In the end of 'A dance of dragons', Ramsay sends Jon a letter saying that he killed Stannis and his army.
But in the epilogue, Theon is captured by Stannis.
Because if the time consistency with AFFC and ADOD it could be that this happened before.
So is Stannis still alive or not?
@@davethewave2197 Ramsay asked Jon to "return his bride arya and reek". If he had killed Stannis, at least one of Theon and Poole would be captured. Plus it doesn't make sense for the tactical idiot books Ramsay to beat Stannis in battle.
Vortex, Martin already said in his own words that Stannis is "alive beyond a doubt", so anything about his status is no speculation. Martin said he's alive because he never viewed Stannis's status as a spoiler....the pink letter was meant to be a blatant lie. Ramsay was pathetically begging for hostages against Stannis; he demanded Jon to hand over Selyse, Shireen, and Melisandre.
Goddamn I love Stannis, book and show. The show did him dirty, Season 5 was a travesty.
totally out of character how he kills his daughter, and its disgusting to see ramsey beat a far superior tactician. A huge gripe about this show is that tactics and stratedgy is thrown out the window in all the big battles after like season 3/4
In fairness, what the show did to him looks like what the books might eventually do to him. We get that preview chapter for Winds of Winter, and that is essentially the scene before he burns Shereen. I'd imagine that something that comes that soon after what GRR has written, was probably guided by him, so I think we can imagine that we'll get something fairly similar if the next book is ever released.
@@sammason1092 oh shut up
@@sammason1092 Nothing of the sort is happening to Stannis in the preview chapters. I am not mocking you, but I have to ask you: are you illiterate?
Show:
Stannis loses most of his army to desertion, burns his daughter and then attacks Winterfell with his weak and starved army with no plan, only to be defeated easily.
Book:
Stannis keeps gaining soldiers from northenerns who join him. After absorbing the mountain clans and remaining Glover forces after freeing Deepwood Motte from ironborn hands he marches to Winterfell. He is even sought after by the Iron Bank who promise more money to him so he can hire more mercenaries. His daughter, wife and witch are all at the Wall, safely hidden. He stops at a fishing village where he prepares to take on the combined assault of the Frey, Umber and Manderly forces at once, having already dealt with false Karstark allies who intended to betray him.
There is no parallel, except that book and show Stannis have completely *opposite* situations. Even if he dies in the book, he will certainly not lose to Ramsey Snow, a brash, impatient and incompetent general and neither is Brienne anywhere close to him, able to execute her "revenge" over the death of a pompous usurper and pretender, because she has forgotten that desire in the book. Stannis is implied to be some sort of false messiah/false hope as the symbolism of the burning sword with no heat implies, so he might die eventually.
J 0 E L pretty much hinted it’s going to happen in the books also
For a guy who actually didn't like the job, he did a fantastic job. Long live Stannis, the king who cared
how did he care? he walked into a war he obviously couldnt win, was outnumbered a hundred to one because he refused to make basic concessions for alliances, and got himself and his whole house slaughtered.
@God Emperor of Mankind 3.0 yes well, we can thank D&D for the absolute ruination of Stannis' character
He just considered it doing his duty, nothing more.....
Just like Stannis would have.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 If not for Tyrion and Wildfire bs, he probably would have won.
@@mrman9977 you mean if not for mel and her bs black magic, Renly probably wins
Stannis is by far the coolest guy on the show
Giantsbane
Hound
Momont (all of them)
Stannis
Davos
Plenty of people liked Stannis, thats why in the books he's capable of gathering most of the north to his side, the wildlings, and the mountain men too. The people that disliked Stannis were the people that knew Stannis was to smart to let them rise any further in power, If Stannis was king Vary's and Littlefinger both would loose all the power they had. In the books Stannis would absolutely never had anyone burned for not agreeing to change their religion, that was D&D fan fiction in S4 E1, nothing more. Atheism isn't really a thing in Game of thrones, but Stannis was the closest to an Atheistic character in that universe.
Tywin for the win.
@Faults D&D are the biggest scumbags on this planet. Fuck them for what they've done to this show
I have felt from the beginning that Stannis was a greater danger than all the others combined. - Tywin Lannister
Stanis is the man. The rightful king. One of my favorite characters
Stannis the mannis
+Leon Welcome the rightful king is Aegon VI
@@ds22342 no
Other than burning his daughter alive at the stake, yeah, this guy was a real peach
Because he fell out of a specific vagina, yes. A kingly qualification.
''i grieve for him as well for the boy he was''
''not the man he grew up to be''
gosh i love stannis
You could see a tinge of sorrow on Stannis' face at the end.
Well it's his brother. He may have been a filthy traitor but he was still his brother.
I hadn't noticed that before. Thanks
+Paulie Walnuts this exactly. he was sad that he had to kill him because he was his brother. but knew if he did not kill him then renly would kill stannis so it had to be done, he just wishes renly was not an usurper idiot and made him do it
Traitor or no, if my brother died, I'd grieve, too. It's a horrible thing to think about.
Stannis rules. The true king of Westeros.
how can people not like this guy?
He has the most epic theme song.
It's not his theme, though.
Burning his daughter alive at the stake might have something to do with that
@@Bubbles99718 Yeah that one really hurt.
He puts entitlement over charisma. Expectations over pragmatism. Renly was absolutely right about Stannis: Nobody likes him. Nobody supported him. Throughout his life, he had managed to alienate himself from all of his own supporters, in one way, or another. That's why people don't like him.
Great character tho tbf
@@cynicat74 Now that's what you call an analysis!
It used to be so sophisticated and felt like it was actually telling a genuine medieval fantasy story and you’re going to witness the hard brutal politics and battles instead of just pandering to fanboys and girls with LE EPIC DRAGONS!!!!!!!1!!!1!1!
CLEGANE BOWL AWESOME!!1!
So true.
Stannis Baratheon’s character was a unique one and played by a talented actor.
And such a rushed and badly written end he fell into. Shame.
if Stannis didnt need all those lords who supported renly, for his current army, he sure as shit would have burned or hung them for treason, so they should consider themselves lucky, knowing renly was the younger brother with a false claim, I like the book scene better, where he states out many of the men fighting for joffrey least believe he is the legit king and believed he really was king bobs son, but the renly banner men declared for renly knowing he was the younger brother of stannis which is against every basic law in the lands
All hail king Bob!
king of the minions & the first men
In the books Stannis is horrified over Renly. Not for his sake but because he was so just that he found the idea of assassinating his brother revolting.
D&D really hated Stannis for some reason. I guess fools do love a fool.
He admits outright that he loved Renly but could only fully see it after Renly’s death.
D&D didn’t hate Stannis, insomuch as theism in general
The High Sparrow has yet to go quite as far as his HBO counterpart, Melisandre was more open to compromises (especially with Mance Rayder), and while Davos’s HBO counterpart was an atheist, the book Davos is still reverent to the Seven
@@benjaminosterloh3605 atheistic propaganda ruins lots of media these days
the "fools love a fool" is lifted right from the book though, but i agree they shouldve been more kind to stannis
@@benjaminosterloh3605 Stannis is a giant atheist in the books. He has a whole speech about how he doesn't believe in any gods or worship any. He keeps Melisandre around because she has magic and is powerful and because his wife's family, The Florents are followers of her religion. He frequently downplays the religion and is at odds with them.
"There will be no burnings, pray harder."
oh the irony tommen as no heirs and hes going to die which wouldve meant stannis wouldve got the throne
Such are the tragedies of selfish wars.
wayne king is right. I never really considered that. Stannis was one of the most interesting characters on the entire show. I can not make up my mind if he was honorable & just or selfish & cruel. He was unyielding that much is certain. I loved the way he met his end by instructing Brienne to do her duty. He understood her cause & that for her it was just & courageous. He seemed in my mind at least glad to be killed by the fulfillment of someone's duty, maybe even the fulfillment of duty to the Baratheon name. He would not have ever just accepted this prior to that series of events that led to that day, but after all of that, he certainly saw the writing on the wall & did not need any help understanding the meaning of it all at the end. Like I said in my mind he was almost glad to be means to the end of Brienne's commitment to his brother. He was a soldier & understood and or recognized a fellow follower of one's duty. He was summed up I think in this & in his doomed battle of blackwater bay, when someone informed him of the loss of life from the wildfyre & the admission that yes many more would die in trying to take the city but onward you must go for it is your duty. Like I said, is he a good guy or a bad guy? I think we would all agree more bad than good after he allowed his precious daughter to be burned. But, what if that action led to his victory & to the iron throne where he was in a position to save everyone during the long night? That is what he thought he was doing. I would love to read an alternate universe book where we see him on the iron throne & leading the 7 kingdoms during the long night, also a version where tywin Lannister was in that crucial role. I think at least maybe you could say that Stannis was not as selfish as Tywin. Tywin wanted to see his house exalted & also allow the 7 kingdoms to flourish beneath him. Stannis I don't think cared so much to see his family become a great dynasty he just wanted what was his by right & he would fulfill his duty to the 7 kingdoms. He actually did not seem to even like his family very much. These strong complex characters are fascinating to say the least.
I think the Lannisters would claim that he was a traitor who forfeited his rights by his initial rebellion. Plus, Cersei would never accept a challenge to her power just because of rights. She tore up King Robert's words, saying that Ned Stark would be Protector of the Realm for many years. Ned had the right to rule; it was the King's wishes and Joffrey wasn't even coronated. But it was ignored because she bought the right people and terrified the others.
Cersei would’ve done what she’s doing now
@@daddyleon stannis war wasnt selfish he was the rightful king no if and or buts about it.
The best duo in Game of thrones
+therealist811 not a huge fan of Sam and Gilly tbh. His demeanor is a little annoying, but it looks like hes toughening up
Tied with Ned and Robert aswell.
therealist811 I think Eddard and Robert are the best
0:12 - That Baratheon armour in the foreground looked awesome
+Flying Spectacles
I think that was Baratheon Kingsguard Armour
+hunsler1006
Nope, just a normal Baratheon (Stormlands) armour.
The troops in black armour are from Dragonstone (Baratheon of Dragonstone/Stannis).
Copy Orange
But most of them don't wear that armour at Kings landing
Flying Spectacles
I mean the ones attacking KL in the episode of Blackwater.
(I should have been more specific).
hunsler1006 Ahhh, yeah, you're correct
Stannis' "Lord of Light" motif is still one of my favorite pieces of music in the show
Dillane is a hell of an actor! I was just watching The Tunnel... my God, how can he transform himself so much?
I hope we see him in season 6 ..
+okan hınıslı I'm sure he is alive!
+Juliana Augusto
Lets make him film a scene that requires to burn a child despite that he lost his siter on a fire.Lets kill his character and his entire family to make sure he wont have a future not even as reference and give his arc to Snow (the funny thing is that both dump $ dumper and Stephen Dillane have no idea how many fans Stannis have,even with this awfully bad writing...).
+Juliana Augusto he won tons of awards for the tunnel
Really? I had no idea!
I love Dillane as Stannis. Just wish the writers didn't warp the character so badly. He is too much Melisandre's bitch, in the show.
Drew F So true. The writers dislike Stannis (which I don't see how you can) and that reflects in the tv show. Though I would say Stannis really shines where the show is now. So if they fuck his parts here. I would be pissed. They made it seem like he was sulking forever at Dragon Stone for 2 seasons after the battle of Blackwater Bay.
Drew F Season 5 has been great for him... He's the new fan favorite... Especially as a Grammar Nazi.
will be my end Never mind then, D&D raped his character, murdered it and killed his children :(
+Drew F If the writers really wanted to make Stannis look bad, then they did a terrible job...
***** They made him burn his daughter alive? 0.o
Oh, the end there.... amazing acting. Poor Stannis.....
I wish Renly had tossed him a peach during the parley, and then at the end of this scene, the camera pans down from Stannis' weary gaze to the see the peach on the table, rotting.
Valkyrist what was the symbolism with the peach?
It was in the books, Stannis ran through some possibilities but it was never fully clarified why Renly had a peach in the parley.
Ah ok thanks
Or that through the murder of his own brother, The Baratheon house is rotting.
Kurt Cobain it was the taste of life stannis could never have
"What do you believe?"
I love that question because Stannis clearly doesn't give a shit what other people thinks of him. But the opinion of Davos was important to him
He is my god m serious
2:35 is probably the closest we get to "the peach" in the books. You can see Stannis' lip quiver a bit and his whole demeanor change. I think in this small moment he does regret killing his brother, even if the remainder of the scene only lasts for a few seconds more.
Stannis is very complex character...
I always took this part of the scene as him crying, or coming close to it. A very nice nod to “the peach”.
stannis was crying, because of his dead brother.. and that his soldiers followed renly, despite stannis was the rightful king...
i don't know if we're supposed to like him or hate him but for some reason I'm rooting for Stannis at the moment.. hahaha. He's akward but he's still badass in his own way.
Hes a lot nicer in the books, even having a monologue about avenging Robert, Jon, Ned and Renly, where he then talks about how he will never stop thinking about his brother.
Playologygames
"Nice" is not a word I would ever use to describe book Stannis.
Playologygames "I will go to my grave thinking of my brother's peach"
Playologygames "I will go to my grave thinking of my brother's peach"
JateGuitar I think he means more honorable because he does come across as so in the books. It's also never said if he truly was responsible for Renly's death or if that was Melisandre just taking care of the trash behind Stannis's back. "I was in my tent when he died, and when I woke my hands were clean".
At the end of the scene, is that Stannis regretting killing his younger brother after what Ser Davos told him?
yup, it haunts him for the entire series
+SlickStitch In the books he does, here it is subtle. But really sharp form you
+brwnipoints Well apparently doesn't haunt him anymore :L The writers of the show are really destroying cool parts of the book I have heard from friends. Ser Barristan
+SlickStitch he does not regret what he did. he had to kill renly before renly killed him. that said he still did love him and hated it had to be that way
+SlickStitch Nope, he is thinking about roasting daughters
It's a shame if Benioff and Weiss are casting Stannis in a negative light because they don't like him. Though, I suppose not liking him is understandable. But I don't think they would be deliberately unfaithful to a major character like that.
I like Dillane's portrayal. It's more subtle than book!Stannis, even though I miss his constant bitter raging against everything. I think the showrunners are choosing to highlight the fact that, despite being the true king and a messiah, Stannis' life sucks majorly and its wearing him down. This scene really demonstrates that.
Logan Cox They were deliberately unfaithful, they are chosen to be.
There are two reasons why the craven Tyrells didn't join Stannis. One, Stannis is already married. Two, they're still salty about the siege of Storm's End.
BUT Stannis is married to one of their Houses (a Florent woman and the Florents are Reachlanders).
Correction: Stannis is still pissed about the siege and they know it.
@@IchibanOjousama The Florents were one of the primary rivals of the Tyrells as they too had a claim to Highgarden.
Fools love a fool. Wow. This perfectly describes our celebrities and celebrity culture.
Arun Kumar it’s one of my favorite stannis quotes, I use it frequently actually haha
This show was damned to hell after what D&D did to Stannis, it's like he cursed them from the grave. Night Lamp hype for the book still!
Dumb ans dumber s great dilemma was they hated Stannis and by seasons Stannis got bigger and bigger and perhaps bigger than the show. So they decided to make him evil, they made Stannis burn his daughter so everybody would hate him and his death would be justified.
But guess what, STANNIS BARATHEON will live forever in his fan s hearts.
LONG HE MAY REIGN
Murat Sahintas
It work with around 10 % of the watchers.It worked with me for arround an hour.Then all the blame wasn on D$D.
Fuck em ...
+Murat Sahintas even worse they changed how the books will be, with stannis alive and beating the boltons, just so they can keep another hated person/family (boltons) around as something the fans can still root against, they never liked stannis or did him any justice.......show stannis he burns a florent for keeping his faith of the 7 idols up.......book stannis....."I WILL HAVE NO BURNINGS, PRAY HARDER, HALF OF MY ARMY IS MADE UP OF NON BELIEVERS, PRAY HARDER"
+Murat Sahintas
STANNIS BARATHEON, THE ONE TRUE KING OF WESTEROS.
+Adam K In the books, Stannis did burn a Florent for keeping up his idols. His wife's brother. Look it up in the character index, book 3.
Stannis...the one true king of the Seven kingdoms😭👑
2:15 chills down my spine
I think Mel. is the hottest woman in the show
+thenewwoodsman I see what you did there! :D
+thenewwoodsman *cough* So, you still believe that?
***** that scene... :I
*****
Ultimate boner killer
+thenewwoodsman I feel ya man...
THE one and only true king
stannis of the house baratheon....
Stannis was brilliant. Seriously, he should still be alive on the show.
Can't believe we went from THIS, to, "She is my queen" "I don't want it"
Going back and watching clips from the first 4 seasons of this show is really quite something. It's like, "Oh yeah, that's why this show was such a phenomenon!"
Stannis keeping Davos by his side despite Davos disagreeing with him so much shows one of Stannis' greatest virtues. Even if you'll never get him to admit it, he knows that every now and then, he needs someone to tell him he's wrong. It shows a degree of humility that most people lack.
Stannis yet lives and the war is not over, best not to write Stannis off as he still remains and as more fall even more will join.
Sega Sailor He's dead. I'm writing him off now.
watching old clips is pure pain all over again. the show falls into a continent sized crater after season 6 for fucks sakes.
Indeed, they did Stannis dirty in season 5 as well
Stannis the old mannis , I don't care if the show killed him , I pray grrm doesn't kill him in winds of winter .
He's a tragic character on a tragic path. It won't end well for him in the books either.
I know he will die, I just hope that it is for a purpose and after achieving something. In the show they killed him off like a dog on the wayside, his death led to nothing. Just tying up loose ends Dumb and Dumber didn’t want to deal with. I believe Stannis as a character is too much of a force of nature to die like that. He will die achieving another great feat like the numerous others in his life and he will fulfil his duty.
God, I _love_ Stannis' theme!
Who else just finished the last episode and is watching the older episodes because they are actually good?
One of Stannis' best lines.
Do you love Stannis?
MARRY ME
If I can't have the right King, I'll take the Night King.
Oh buddy...
Give it up. Just read the books, the show is not worth it anymore
Stannis of house Baratheon first of his name king of the Andals the the Rhoynar and the First Men Lord of the Seven Kingdoms and protector of the realm
This show used to be a fucking masterpiece
Gosh I miss this show. It's a shame they only had 7 seasons
4 great seasons, 2 okay, 2 absolute garbage
1-4 were masterpieces, 5 was ok at best, 6 was good, 7 was poor, 8 was terrible
I really wish Stannis becomes the king and gets rid of subtle people like Baelish and Varys somehow and puts some people who are loyal and good at their job at the council. He is the rightful heir and I think he also has the required qualities to be a good ruler.
Dont get me wrong, I completely respect those two, they are so good at what do and have aims of their own. I just dont think, however, their existance is any good in a kingdom.
Nobles respect him, but not the common people. I like him, but as a king he would have rebellion. Imagine yourself King's landing without whorehauses and half men without hand or fingers for common robbery. He is great leader, but not a king.
Stannis would not last long after the kingdom is stabilized without people like Varys and Baelish on his side-he is terrible with subtle politics.
He would, I imagine not mind ruling Storm's End if the Young Griff or Daenerys comes to claim the throne
SantomPh People always forget the stormlands is one of the seven kingdoms.
Spy masters are extremely important....
after s8 e5 seems like Stannis wouldnt be so bad at all
Stannis is a real man
Stannis! Stannis! Stannis!
He is badass I like him
I grieved for Stannis as well. For the man he was, not the man he grew to be.
I grieve for Stannis as well. For the man he was, not the monster D&D made him to be.
NEON MULLET Me too. They totally screwed up his character but such was the brilliance of the actor enough of Stannis came through.
"Grew to be."
You mean the last episode Stannis was alive, where ever decision he made goes against his fundamental personality traits? No that was D&D and their shitty script writing abilities.
Stannis is DELICIOUS.
0:04 I didn't notice until now the Tyrell shield on the back of that bowing knight. I guess not all of the Tyrell host fled back to Highgarden.
That look in the last few seconds. I like to think that was his love for for his brother coming out.
in the books he admits he loved him
2:37 Stannis does show some grief towards the death of his little brother
I don't understand how people supported Renly...
Don't get me wrong I really liked him, he would've made a great king, but how can any of them legitimately say he's the rightful heir? Stannis is the older brother so it falls to him... they could've should joined sides and had Renly take over when Stannis died provided he didn't have children, although he would have.
Anyhow, calling Renly the rightful heir is bizarre since he's the younger brother to Robert, whereas Stannis is the older and therefore next in line.
I think the argument could be made that only someone who follows the Seven can be king. Stannis, believing in R'holler, would then be disqualifyed from inheriting the Iron Throne. I don't believe that is written into the law in Westeros, but a more stern believer could still make that argument. This is my take on that point, but I a l so believe that Stannis himself also has just as strong, if not more so, claim to the Throne.
+OmsoiTekken What reason is there to believe Renly would've made even a competent king?
+OmsoiTekken Basically what +14koder said. Stannis was cut off from Westeros in his position as Lord of Dragonstone. On top of that he was a incapable politician and did not inspire any loyalty. He was also rumored taking advice from foreign sorcerers which just further distances him from Westeros culture. Meanwhile, Renly was the Lord of Storms End and a capable politician. I can understand why the bannermen would follow their lord instead of his exiled fanatic, autistic older brother. I would have done the same.
+Alexei Strife He had experience as Master of Laws, he was popular at court and among the lords, he did not glorify war as Robert did, and he was much better than the alternatives. As Loras explained it, the realm would not follow Joffrey because he was a monster, Tommen because was too young and Stannis because he had the personality of a lobster.
+NinjaFilip "Personality" doesn't mean shit when you're the rightful heir to the throne. And are you forgetting that just prior to Season 1, Stannis had a position on the Small Council and was in King's Landing?
gods the writing was strong then
"Random line from any GOT clip in the early season" - best fucking line in the history of television
I love their dynamic.
Stannis THE FUCKING MANNIS
This is scripts not the generic dick jokes. The glorious years of GoT
Golden age of this franchise
I actually really respect Stannis and Davos. The way he ran up on those wildlings was Epic. Just wish he wouldn't let that Red Woman tell him what to do like that.
he actually doesn't he just takes advice from her he himself is an atheist and doesn't believe everything she says and that her god exist but does see she has power
+neneray310 ugh.. try again
+neneray310 Only in the books bro,show Stannis is a fanatic
+TheDihan8 Yea, they made Stannis' character worse in the show. Such a pity.
+DoMiNaTeOLDErWoMeN thank God for the books, stannis is way more badass in them and also is not the fool that dumb and dumber try making him
This is a king you can trust for he listens to his counsel and accept what they has to say no matter if it hurts or not. Just look at Geoffrey who doesnt listen to his loyal subjects thus died, look at Rob Stark and how the older, more experienced bannermen of his army grew tired of him, just look at Daenarys and her dismissing Jorah the only man who truely and really loves her, though I like Danny but her dismissing Jorah and not listening to Baristan will surely bite her back.... one day.
Just as Twyin Lannister said, a wise king listens to those who knows better and Davos knows what is good and Stannis listens, a good trait for a wise king.
Looking back, it's ironic that Stannis left Melisandre behind as a result of Davos's urging. Davos believed that his doing so was in Stannis's best interests, but as it turned out, it was some of the worst advice anyone ever gave. All that wildfire, and the one person who could have stopped it, left behind...
One of the reasons why Davos is one of my favorite characters of ASOIAF is that because of his humble background he doesn't have that pride to blind his judgment, something that I always thought it was one of Stannis weakness. They balance each other just right.
“Fools love a fool” - this just answered so many of my life questions
Because the Tyrells knew Stannis would have investigated who first gave Renly the idea to challenge his claim......and he would not forgive them for turning his younger brother against him
STANNIS STANNIS STANNIS
The music played for all scenes with Stannis is most chilling.
I loved their relationship. Felt real...they had good chemistry in their roles