Meanwhile Panette's build is so disproportionate she can perform feats of strength against giant monsters that make her look like Antman fighting normal sized opponents.
well hey at least it's super helpful to learn japanese with these conversations here I've been looking for people who are more rude than normal to see how others respond in japanese
@@lyjmmem they didnt "had" to, theyre just horrible people who want to turn basic human interactions and jokes in grey goo, even 4kids was never that bad, and 4kids target audiences was small kids
NGL I like this Goldmary a little more than the localized version. I knew she was a narcissist, but, wow, I didn't expect her to be this full of herself.
English Goldmary gives off more TFS Vegeta vibes, and I don't like that NoA tried to paper over Goldmary boasting about her own voluptuousness as "elegance". We're not dumb, NoA.
@@lethargicwizard same thing also happens with Chloe, I'm not sure if it's bra stuffing or just something else is going on with the models cuz some of them are a little quirky
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Nintendo Treehouse is unfit to dub Fire Emblem. Nintendo needs to fire them! It fine when they translate baby games like Pokémon or Mario Party, but this kind of behavior translating a game for TEENAGERS and up is UNACCEPTABLE. The Xenoblade series never deals with this kind of garbage cause Nintendo outsources the translation of those games to a different studio.
I hate to break it to you but Xenoblade absolutely does suffer the same type of censorship and generally pointless changes. Remember that one heart to heart in XC2 where Poppi talks about the cutie bun bun armor and it's special tail wiggle waggle dance protocol? You should look up the original Japanese version.
@@goatslayer3160 I understand, but compare Fates, TMS, and Engage's dubs to XB1, 2, and 3. Xenoblade is relatively unchanged for the most part. Treehouse seems to REALLY hate anything that's "too anime."
@@ygr6484 That's the west in general, anime games always have stricter rules for some reason, even steam censors anime games. I wish Japanese devs would realise the reason why we want to buy their games is *because* they're different, and put their foot down when it comes to "localization."
It's the price the series must pay after becoming a somewhat big property for the company, which wants zero controversy coming from its games. Xenoblade actually suffers more from poor translations, but it does have its fair share of localization tailoring but, even then, it still managed to produce some sparks. So now people allege that Xenoblade 3 was made "normier" to avoid the 2 controversies.
@@goatslayer3160 Exactly! Fuck these western standards, they're trash anyways! I want my media to be non-political and to have characters that aren't ugly!
@@izanagiforsmite4365 it's not that they can't say but not every character use it at the end of every sentence, for instance nor framme nor merrin use it a lot but these too use it in also every sentence to convey that they are lady-like. Btw they used a nice trick with Panette too, since Panette is not used to speak in Keigo (formal japanese) she use Desu-masu at the end of every sentences, this particular way of talking doesn't exist she's using desu masu wrong because that's not the way she usually talk
Strange considering awakening and fates have the English and localization keep women like Tharja and Charlotte on how beautiful their bodies are or how they use it to thier advantage. Tharja gets praised as having a beautiful body or being the prettiest in the army while Charlotte literally uses her charm to get guys to protect her which lowered her rank in the army until she got picked up by the royals again. Goldmary is very Ara Ara energy but she does sound prideful in how pretty she is which isn't bad I liked her a lot.
...What? When did you last play Awakening? Multiple supports and most of her DLC presence is about how Tharja does NOT like attention, does not use it, and absolutely despises people who notice it. She literally curses herself over it with Cordelia in Summer Scramble. Tharja is one of the females in the game that uses her looks the LEAST. Also she's never called the prettiest in the army? Like in the little barrack bio thing it says she has the best body but that's not the same thing and not something others would comment on.
@@RandomPasser You're just...very not knowledgeable on these characters, are you? Tharja and Camilla at least, Charlotte is a bit uncharitable but not wrong. Tharja wasn't that obsessed with Robin and almost every support she has focuses on her doing good things for people for literally no reason, and her threats are basically always laughed off as she never tries to hurt anyone. Her Supports with Virion, Nowi, or Libra are just her doing good things for no reason with no real focus on Robin at all. She never threatens Nowi, Curses Virion only to help others and not in any painful way, and Libra she goes out of her way to talk to him and help him with his past. Camilla dotes on all of her siblings, her entire Support with Xander and Leo are all about it, and her violence is due to her past trauma, she's not just some random yandere...she doesn't even get violent with people over liking Corrin. Only when they threaten someone she cares about or is ordered to.
@@nahte123456 guess you didn't read both my comment talking about Tharja first then Charlotte on one being the prettiest in army and other using her charm to act weak You're not worth even talking to if you can't read. Sorry dude but worthless. Read my comment again but I'll not respond to this nonsense
@@RandomPasser I think you sorta missed the characters points. Tharja was raised in a hard environment where even her umbilical cord got cut by dark magic to just start. Her harshness was a reaction to how her family was and even then tharja does more good than any bad really like trying to let nowi off easy on her parents dying or Gregor talking to Gregor snd so on Charlotte meanwhile being a gold digger has a point. She works in the army to get money for her family but her actions dropped her pay and than only leads to her trying harder as a country guard and force her personality aside from Benny. Camila has a deeper character too with how she had her family destroyed same as all their destructive mothers who used their kids for politics and even called out Niles for thinking she is spoiled when Camilla cares a lot about corrin and her family. Sure the community probably doesn't like her most due to being the most blatant and after azura didn't get the dlc spot they probably don't like her more but she's more a reaction to how Tharja was well made but I do agree they missed a few points
@@ivanbluecool You wrote, and I'm copy/pasting "women like Tharja and Charlotte on how beautiful their bodies are or how they use it to thier advantage". You said "how they" meaning both (Also just so you know, you misspelled their), which was what I was replying to. So try again after you read it back, because I just copy/pasted what I read, unlike you that 'somehow' ignored it.
Because strong independant women don't do cat fights about what men like. Btw i don't even hate the localized version of this particular support but they simply had no business changing it, period.
@@namoma4922 she pretty much tells Etie that her life is nothing and serves 0 purpose since she's better looking and curvier than her, while Etie is petite and ripped, ironically they're polar opposites in terms of what men like, meanwhile I like personality because I'm based
Too many feminazis and sjws in media unfortunately they want us to be as miserable as they are instead of seeking therapy just look at shows like Velma and CW hero shows so much politics and none are diverse of thought
Localisation fucking ruined this game for me. FE3H was alright, but how the fuck did they return to this Fates-level of political correctness? Fuck it all, I'm learning Japanese now.
Goldmary's bio states that she wants to be the shy, moe archetype, only for her pride get her way in over her head. Never really got that vibe from the dub, just the proud warrior part. Not that the dub was bad, because it wasn't, but I see the intended message in the sub more. Although this does lead to different interpretations: sub: manages the facade, but the cracks slip in. dub: utterly fails being demure despite the efforts, and everyone sees her for her pride, not that its unwarranted.
It also does make it funnier, overall to be like "hah, look at these idiots" honestly, fun times throughout just, making fun of these 1-dimensional functions, way more than if IS actually tried to make these characters have a tiny amount of depth that, honestly the Japanese never really achieves anyways Game is honestly more fun when they UNDERSTAND the camp Look at Final Fantasy Origins: Strangers in Paradise That game wouldn't have had the stuff it got WITHOUT Jack being a chaos-obsessed freak
dub was bad, cause localizers keep acting like moral authority police and changing anything they don't like to make others agree with them, all about control to these people
Rather than the script, I am surprised that this is the voice we got for Goldmary in Japanese. A rare one if I should say, since I am more familiar with her voice actress' more energetic roles, so to speak.
lmao Goldmary is based in her own way. Gotta love a lady who can appreciate her own beauty without letting anyone get her down. (And the moments where she is genuinely taken aback, like with Soren, are precious too.)
Except she's not. When she so much as gains a little water weight, she goes 180 the other way. It would only be confidence if she didn't stress over gaining a little weight, but instead she seems one bad week away from an eating disorder.
At least when Ted Woolsey changed up the script, he made it funnier or more vibrant in English. The changes to Goldmary by the localizers just confuse me and make the character unnecessarily unrelatable. We all know people in real life that think their body is better than others’. I’ve never met somebody in real life who brags about whatever esoteric bs that Goldmary brags about in the English localization.
more localizers ruining things out of being egocentric, they don't like the words so they make it their mission to change it, look into their social media and they gloat to it cause its about making people think like them, all the more reason to know the language all about control and group think to their standards, always is, call it out and don't buy this game
@@Minarreal Me and my husband are mexican and play in Japanese, and the minute they pronounced her name it was instant the moment we started calling her "gordomary/fatmary" I don't think the pronunciation of the r is soft in the slightest, maybe you should hear how "gordo" sounds in it's native language
Well, the song fits more here for what actually is a very petty argument. However, Etie talking about men doesn't sit right with me. Kind of interesting the localization went as hard as this, though. NoA usually only tones down the nonsense without sacrificing the intent but here they seriously modified the conversations to such extent that a few of the characters are just not quite the same compared to their Japanese portrayals.
Unless I am dismembering some of the details, Henry's character being handled different, but the intent was the same where both versions make him a person who doesn't really get how people are suppose to act normally and how to handle the stuff he went through. Where they differ was how he tries going about it. Japanese has him smiling at everything, even at inappropate times, while English made him joke about stuff more. I will at least say that Engage is not getting hit with "muh evil localization" nearly as bad as Fates. Are there some changes that are odd and make you wonder why was that changed? Sure, but this is nothing new for the series, even as far back as the GBA games.
This game dub was made by threehouse the same people that made Fe:Fates dub and as far as I'm concerned is bad, not insultingly bad but as someone who's learning Japanese i can pick the difference between the versions and they are some important one.
@@Soulxstaridn't they change a bunch of the romantic stuff with Alear as well? And no I am not referring to the Anna and Jean stuff I mean with a slew of other characters that seem to be the same age as Alear (minus the 1k year sleep ofc).
tbf the first one with framme and the one with yunaka were relatively unchanged for the english version, she still strips to take a dip in framme's, and she mentions something yunaka may not want people seeing among her "unmentionables" (which tbh sounds MORE dirty than just underwear she doesnt want people seeing)
Isnt it depressing Nintendo of America figured "underwear" was too dirty of a word... they butchered this games translation compared to the old 3ds titles. Then again they removed certain things I'm completely okay with as well (S ranking the child anna 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️)
@@braydonattoe2078 bro if you think the 3ds ones are better, which includes fates, your smoking some shit Let's not forget "..." For s b support and the pickle dude Jesus
Its like shes trying to be Hinata Hyuuga but her narcisism is getting in the way of appearing that way. The fact they missed that mark so much in the dub is a travesty, shameful censors.
My god. She’s almost an entirely different character in Japanese. That sweet voice abs overly polite way of speech combined with the insanity is hilarious I understand the direction they went in English and it’s great. But this…😂
God I wish I could get paid to write random fanfics when asked to translate a japanese game Now that's one job that I don't mind seeing AI completely replace
Literal translation isn't exactly good. We don't need more "nakama is a concept that don't exist in English" doohickey and some things genuinely have to be rewritten so the spirit of a joke or phrase makes sense.
@@namelessbag that's problem number one with underpaying translators (driving away the ones with the best portfolios) or trying to save money by using a language model and then hiring a translator to try fixing the many generated mistakes. You get what you pay for.
@@Weremole one of the translators admitted to not knowing japanese and just makes stuff up. They shouldn't be paid at all yet they been working there for atleast 10 or so years.
I really want to play this but I really wish it were atleast slightly more accurate with its translations. Specifically (ありがとーおにちゃん大好き) should never be (oh, Mar-Mar! I missed you so much!) It was all in hiragana too. Someone with a little n5 vocabulary could have translated it.
Honestly I kinda got that this was what they were going for in the english supports so I'm not mad... But I just can't help but wonder why they changed Goldmary? I also find the younger female characters like Hortensia being changed reasonable enough as to not care but this just seems petty. Like Goldmary made someone on the localization team mad or uncomfortable and they grew a personal vendetta against her character. Especially since she sometimes comes off as a dense, spoiled idiot in the English version whereas in the Japanese version it's easier to see her emotionally manipulative undertones.
Personally, I found English Goldmary's bite to be way more obvious, especially since she seems snarkier, more sarcastic, and way more aggressive. She's more like TFS Vegeta, as compared to this Goldmary being less in your face.
@@MrGksarathy I guess she does seem more sarcastic in the English version, but in the Japanese version Goldmary basically tells Etie to kill herself, so I wouldn't really say she's more subtle...
@@daz1543 Sorry man, but I completely understand why they would want to tone down Alear's relationships with the characters who are minors (Granted the datamine lists Alear as "17" but he's also a dragon in Fire Emblem so that doesn't matter). I don't think that's a weird thing to say. Especially since Japan is super lax with that sort of thing and America judges people harshly for it. In fact there's a good amount of prominent Japanese voice actors who are outspoken lolicons (and I mean people who are *really into it).* If someone out here said that, they'd get flamed online and lose their job.
Nintendo Treehouse really need to have layoffs if the localisation is this bad. The blatant mistranslation and censorship is ridiculous when the Japanese fits the age rating. Altered content and outright removal of dialogue means if be paying the same price for the same game with less content.
It's true that Goldmary is hotter and hard to resist, but her personality would be a huge turn off for me. I really don't like arrogant woman, and Etie is definitely the keeper here (who's still fcken gorgeous in her own right).
I'm okay with her personality, but her design is all over over the place. The artist did a great job in capturing a look that conveys that this is what Goldmary _thinks_ the most attractive woman looks like without actually being all that impressive as opposed to, say, Ivy.
@@amanofnoreputation2164 Yes, Ivy and her spiked gloves and boots, and the waffle iron that has a rose added to it after premotion. That isn't all over the place at all...
@@wetlikewash8055 Yeah... Even as someone who'd prefer Ivy's design; To say that Goldmarys is "all over over the place" compared to her is... Well it's absurd, hahah. Not that it's entirely without merit though. Ivy at least makes more sense for being a mage, while Goldmary literally just looks like a village girl with a massive pauldron slapped on her shoulder. Still doesn't make it more outrageous that Ivys though.
Both Goldmary and Etie are arrogant, the difference is that Goldmary is arrogant in how she can be the perfect waifu and only need compliments to be happy, making her very low maintenance. So Goldmary > Etie
Etie argument could be solid, if she wasn't being hypocritical herself: she comes looking for a fight with goldmary umprompted, and frankly(this is intentional by the writing, but that doesn't change my point) she doesn't fit her own ideal body type. In the localized version of their support it actually make her look worse because she criticize that goldmary might not be ready enough to fight, when frankly goldmary start out stronger than etie
While I do find the english version of Goldmary hilarious that does not make what they did right. This is just absurd how different some of these lines are.
"If you don't mind.. would you mind dying please?" a completely normal reaction to this type of conversation. yeah, totally. definitely. i would know. (me having never talking to anyone about this stuff before)
I don't even understand why they censored so much in general. Most of it is really tame, the only once I kinda get are the ones with child romance. The rest is just really tame. It's also weird that any kind of mentioning of romance is completely gone, especially since 3Houses wasn't like that.
@@mateusgreenwood1096 I'm pretty sure there is. I remember the one with Anna explicitly saying that Alear will wait till Anna is 18,but they are still married and technically a couple. And I thought Hortensia had romance as well. Not that I agree with my older comment, censorship is almost always bad.
I don't recall seeing 3d games seeing a change on someone's body unless a time skip happens. ...or Wario. I looked at his stomach growing while listening to the thing with Framme & Goldmary. Is that weird?
If the goal was to make the most unlikeable character in Fire Emblem, they hit the goalpost with Goldmary. Bad design, horrible person, and not even that good of a unit.
1:11-1:21 *Gets Code Geass Euphinator flashbacks* You know, is it bad that I'm kinda bittersweet the ENG version changed the B conversation between Etie and Goldmary? On one hand I *100%* see why they'd want to tone down a bunch of the degeneracy in Engage, and I feel like this change was a good move and still deliciously chaotic. On the other hand, part of me still finds the JP version absolutely chaotic and hilarious and low-key wishes they kept it in. We'd probably reach BlazBlue levels of degeneracy in FE (though I feel like we've already reached that point...), and I'd be 95% okay with that.
Well, i understand. For certain "modern" Genzzz players, that kind of woman char can be interpreted as "stereotypical", and even "that's not empowered, independent enough", because she's always trying to look appealing to males. But personally, i like her like that, because in real life that's a personality trait that definitely does exists lol
I don't think you DO understand. Most Gen Z are too busy having panic attacks about not having a future more than giving a shit about male-gaze-puppet-#9213571. The reason why the localization did this is because even among Gen Z, the United States is still at least 60% Christian. And do you know what's looked down upon in Christian communities? Promiscuity and showing off your body like a "harlot". So no, it's not "modern" people you should be blaming, it's the exact opposite, lmfao.
Man kinda sad that the animation is too lacking... expression from the facial animation felt the same, movements are too stiff, some movements doesnt fit to the text and late expressing dynamic movement (for example being shock). I thought they are gonna refine those animation after three houses but nah still going to pay for some cheap animation. Typical bland character interaction. im still looking forward to the fame mechanics but thats only it i guess...
@@viniciusroberto1451 Seriously? If a piece of media was censored to oblivion and everyone had to play a game of "pin the tail on the localizer" everyone would choose the one with pronouns in their bio. Unironic presence of pronouns in a person's bio is a clear indicator of what side of the censorship isle they stand on. I.E pro-censorship.
@@MrGksarathy Maybe it wouldn't appear that way if anyone other SJWs were responsible for the censorship of Japanese media? Oh wait, that makes too much sense.
And both of my replies were shadowbanned. 😧 Well let's try something else then. Nice comments you guys left there sure would be a shame if they both disappeared, or their meanings were altered beyond recognition.
Subs are a bit weird 0:10 "Shitsurei desuka" = "excuse me" + " (I wonder) is there something wrong with my ears" (statement without question mark but spoken as a question) 0:20 Goldmary: How rude, So, what of it? Shitsurei , depending on the context, can mean "how rude", but in this context she's being polite, so she's not saying "how rude" , but "Pardon me". We just had an earlier example at 0:10, how do you even make this mistake? 0:13 "Dareka henjin na to?" "Who are you referring to as a weirdo/strange person?" 0:58 "kyoshiku desuga" = I appreciate the advice but- there's no need to add "seriously" as she didn't say that "people are looking for someone like you (with that body type)? Is that what you're trying to say just now?
Can't happen fast enough. Though I'm sure it won't actually change much, the moment it makes it an accurate translation people who don't even play the game will complain about it on Twitter and the algorithm the AI learned from will be changed to be more progressive.
@@goatslayer3160 Localization is just apart of Translating a game anime and manga, with nobody in the ani-manga community actually liking exact translations. So don't kid yourself here, most people who don't like dubs watch subs the vocal minority in this case are the people who wants exact translations for the dubs.
@@kiriekurashiki1028 Nobody wants exact translations, stop strawmanning. People just don't want information to be omitted or changed for social politics reasons. Maybe you only speak english and never had to translate anything yourself so you see no fault with the flaws of anime and game translations. Normally you read things then extract the informations from it: What is being said? How is it being said? What is implied? and then you find the fitting counterparts in the target language. Also yeah sometimes things dont translate well, most of the time they do however and the things that get changed often have very clear translations.
I guess its depends on person. For me localisation is shit way of translation not just because I dont want "social politics" in it. But because localisation kills Japanese identity. Localisation cant be good or bad. Its whole point of localisation to give identity to the game where it will be imported to. I mean, reason why manga became popular in first place because how different Japanese side of the world to western. Japanese mindset, ethic, culture. Japanese mannerism. Its absolutely normal that western culture is boring for those who live there and will be drawn by different culture. Saving Japanese mannerism\identity in text\storyscript is what most important for weebs like me. And what did appeal others in FIRST PLACE. And failing to understand few Japanese gags because they lost meaning in translation not going to kill anyone.
@@luminous3558 It is not straw-manning when that's precisely what many of these complaints are with some people complaining about them changing the dialogue with all of the underaged proposal scenes and others complaining about how the jokes and/or personalities were altered. Surely you realize that only an exact translation would make any of these things work. Localization exists for this exact reason sadly
Etie: brags about her "well-toned" figure
Also Etie: Bld so low even iron weapons slow her down
Just because she has tone, doesn't mean she has bulk and vice versa. Just look at her stats versus those of Boucheron.
@@MrGksarathy There's not even tone. Girl looks so smooth she can slide on concrete.
@@haihuynh8772 lmaooooo
Meanwhile Panette's build is so disproportionate she can perform feats of strength against giant monsters that make her look like Antman fighting normal sized opponents.
Her ring picture shows her with a six-pack.
"Would you mind dying please ?"
WTF Goldmary
ngl etie came to annoy her for no reason so i honestly understand but they were both unhinged there
@@namoma4922agreed
well hey at least it's super helpful to learn japanese with these conversations here
I've been looking for people who are more rude than normal to see how others respond in japanese
Localisation team no fun allowed as usual
Agree
Etie and Goldmary A support in JP is so gay the localization team had to changed it into more family friendly conversation
@@lyjmmemnot really gay tho
They literally erased all romance from the game, fuck treehouse
@@lyjmmem they didnt "had" to, theyre just horrible people who want to turn basic human interactions and jokes in grey goo, even 4kids was never that bad, and 4kids target audiences was small kids
Goldmary is based af
I love characters that know they are hot AND strong and tbh i dont find any problem with her dialogues in japanese
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They probably thought it was too lewd ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Or that people would be offended by her worrying about her body and attractiveness
"People" who complain about it are normies.
@@amazinggrapes3045"People" like that are a problem.
NGL I like this Goldmary a little more than the localized version. I knew she was a narcissist, but, wow, I didn't expect her to be this full of herself.
She has a reason to be. It's facts that she is very beautiful and strong as hell.
English Goldmary gives off more TFS Vegeta vibes, and I don't like that NoA tried to paper over Goldmary boasting about her own voluptuousness as "elegance". We're not dumb, NoA.
She also blatantly stuffs her bra. Change her out of her default outfit in Somniel to anything else, and take a look at the difference.
@@lethargicwizard same thing also happens with Chloe, I'm not sure if it's bra stuffing or just something else is going on with the models cuz some of them are a little quirky
@@bigmoist990 there's a grown up anna mod which just puts anna's head on another body so that's probably it
Etie just straight up told her that guys want a tomboy gf.
That is somehow the strangest thing to come out of the Japanese version.
LowTierGoldmary be like
You should crit yourself... Now!
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Nintendo Treehouse is unfit to dub Fire Emblem. Nintendo needs to fire them! It fine when they translate baby games like Pokémon or Mario Party, but this kind of behavior translating a game for TEENAGERS and up is UNACCEPTABLE. The Xenoblade series never deals with this kind of garbage cause Nintendo outsources the translation of those games to a different studio.
I hate to break it to you but Xenoblade absolutely does suffer the same type of censorship and generally pointless changes. Remember that one heart to heart in XC2 where Poppi talks about the cutie bun bun armor and it's special tail wiggle waggle dance protocol? You should look up the original Japanese version.
@@goatslayer3160 I understand, but compare Fates, TMS, and Engage's dubs to XB1, 2, and 3. Xenoblade is relatively unchanged for the most part. Treehouse seems to REALLY hate anything that's "too anime."
@@ygr6484 That's the west in general, anime games always have stricter rules for some reason, even steam censors anime games. I wish Japanese devs would realise the reason why we want to buy their games is *because* they're different, and put their foot down when it comes to "localization."
It's the price the series must pay after becoming a somewhat big property for the company, which wants zero controversy coming from its games.
Xenoblade actually suffers more from poor translations, but it does have its fair share of localization tailoring but, even then, it still managed to produce some sparks. So now people allege that Xenoblade 3 was made "normier" to avoid the 2 controversies.
@@goatslayer3160 Exactly! Fuck these western standards, they're trash anyways! I want my media to be non-political and to have characters that aren't ugly!
1:19 she really said "Keep Yourself Safe"
Of course both of them are desuwa...
Wtf does that even mean
@@izanagiforsmite4365 feminine way of speaking. Used in anime to convey "ladylike" demeanor, but irl used casually by women I believe
@@alexanderougai4899 then why not say that?
@@izanagiforsmite4365 mm? Say what? Didn't get your reply
@@izanagiforsmite4365 it's not that they can't say but not every character use it at the end of every sentence, for instance nor framme nor merrin use it a lot but these too use it in also every sentence to convey that they are lady-like. Btw they used a nice trick with Panette too, since Panette is not used to speak in Keigo (formal japanese) she use Desu-masu at the end of every sentences, this particular way of talking doesn't exist she's using desu masu wrong because that's not the way she usually talk
I mean whats the real reason for localization that changing the whole conversation...
Is people really sensitive with this kind of conversation?
The West is going downhill with the Woke agenda, and the rest of the world has to suffer for it, geez.
It's funny how they're insulting eachothers and that increases support
She told Etie to perish and then their bond increased☠️ but to be fair they're both toxic
Wait until you see Matthew and Jaffar from the Blazing Blade
1:11 is how I feel about censorship in general
Based.
Strange considering awakening and fates have the English and localization keep women like Tharja and Charlotte on how beautiful their bodies are or how they use it to thier advantage. Tharja gets praised as having a beautiful body or being the prettiest in the army while Charlotte literally uses her charm to get guys to protect her which lowered her rank in the army until she got picked up by the royals again.
Goldmary is very Ara Ara energy but she does sound prideful in how pretty she is which isn't bad I liked her a lot.
...What? When did you last play Awakening? Multiple supports and most of her DLC presence is about how Tharja does NOT like attention, does not use it, and absolutely despises people who notice it. She literally curses herself over it with Cordelia in Summer Scramble. Tharja is one of the females in the game that uses her looks the LEAST.
Also she's never called the prettiest in the army? Like in the little barrack bio thing it says she has the best body but that's not the same thing and not something others would comment on.
@@RandomPasser You're just...very not knowledgeable on these characters, are you? Tharja and Camilla at least, Charlotte is a bit uncharitable but not wrong.
Tharja wasn't that obsessed with Robin and almost every support she has focuses on her doing good things for people for literally no reason, and her threats are basically always laughed off as she never tries to hurt anyone. Her Supports with Virion, Nowi, or Libra are just her doing good things for no reason with no real focus on Robin at all. She never threatens Nowi, Curses Virion only to help others and not in any painful way, and Libra she goes out of her way to talk to him and help him with his past.
Camilla dotes on all of her siblings, her entire Support with Xander and Leo are all about it, and her violence is due to her past trauma, she's not just some random yandere...she doesn't even get violent with people over liking Corrin. Only when they threaten someone she cares about or is ordered to.
@@nahte123456 guess you didn't read both my comment talking about Tharja first then Charlotte on one being the prettiest in army and other using her charm to act weak
You're not worth even talking to if you can't read. Sorry dude but worthless. Read my comment again but I'll not respond to this nonsense
@@RandomPasser I think you sorta missed the characters points. Tharja was raised in a hard environment where even her umbilical cord got cut by dark magic to just start. Her harshness was a reaction to how her family was and even then tharja does more good than any bad really like trying to let nowi off easy on her parents dying or Gregor talking to Gregor snd so on
Charlotte meanwhile being a gold digger has a point. She works in the army to get money for her family but her actions dropped her pay and than only leads to her trying harder as a country guard and force her personality aside from Benny.
Camila has a deeper character too with how she had her family destroyed same as all their destructive mothers who used their kids for politics and even called out Niles for thinking she is spoiled when Camilla cares a lot about corrin and her family. Sure the community probably doesn't like her most due to being the most blatant and after azura didn't get the dlc spot they probably don't like her more but she's more a reaction to how Tharja was well made but I do agree they missed a few points
@@ivanbluecool You wrote, and I'm copy/pasting "women like Tharja and Charlotte on how beautiful their bodies are or how they use it to thier advantage".
You said "how they" meaning both (Also just so you know, you misspelled their), which was what I was replying to.
So try again after you read it back, because I just copy/pasted what I read, unlike you that 'somehow' ignored it.
I can confirm Etie's statement is true.
I do want a woman like Etie
Why would they change this? This is way funnier.
She basically pulls a LTG on Etie
Not woke enough. Can't have realistic depictions of women being jealous of each other.
Because strong independant women don't do cat fights about what men like.
Btw i don't even hate the localized version of this particular support but they simply had no business changing it, period.
@@namoma4922 she pretty much tells Etie that her life is nothing and serves 0 purpose since she's better looking and curvier than her, while Etie is petite and ripped, ironically they're polar opposites in terms of what men like, meanwhile I like personality because I'm based
Bc Goldmary tells Etie to kill herself, which is generally not a theme NoA likes to touch on, especially in such unserious contexts.
I guess someone on the localization team wasn't too happy about their body to change her up so much.
he was a prude little piss boy for sure
Too many feminazis and sjws in media unfortunately they want us to be as miserable as they are instead of seeking therapy just look at shows like Velma and CW hero shows so much politics and none are diverse of thought
Localisation fucking ruined this game for me. FE3H was alright, but how the fuck did they return to this Fates-level of political correctness? Fuck it all, I'm learning Japanese now.
Goldmary's bio states that she wants to be the shy, moe archetype, only for her pride get her way in over her head. Never really got that vibe from the dub, just the proud warrior part. Not that the dub was bad, because it wasn't, but I see the intended message in the sub more.
Although this does lead to different interpretations:
sub: manages the facade, but the cracks slip in.
dub: utterly fails being demure despite the efforts, and everyone sees her for her pride, not that its unwarranted.
Engage seems to have a lot of characters "trying to be something they are not" to varying degrees of success.
Dub Goldmary is way more memeable because of how utterly she fails at hiding her arrogance.
Honestly like the dub making characters WAY more unhinged than the sub
Makes the gameplay more bearable when these characters "accidentally" stay dead
It also does make it funnier, overall to be like "hah, look at these idiots" honestly, fun times throughout just, making fun of these 1-dimensional functions, way more than if IS actually tried to make these characters have a tiny amount of depth that, honestly the Japanese never really achieves anyways
Game is honestly more fun when they UNDERSTAND the camp
Look at Final Fantasy Origins: Strangers in Paradise
That game wouldn't have had the stuff it got WITHOUT Jack being a chaos-obsessed freak
dub was bad, cause localizers keep acting like moral authority police and changing anything they don't like to make others agree with them, all about control to these people
Rather than the script, I am surprised that this is the voice we got for Goldmary in Japanese. A rare one if I should say, since I am more familiar with her voice actress' more energetic roles, so to speak.
But you didn't need this video since you could just switch to the Japanese voices in-game. IMO the voice fits perfectly the character though.
@@bobrong9645 Yeah, but it won't make the subtitles match what's being said.
oh im sorry for being so beautiful ahhhhh, Goldmary kinda funny
lmao Goldmary is based in her own way. Gotta love a lady who can appreciate her own beauty without letting anyone get her down. (And the moments where she is genuinely taken aback, like with Soren, are precious too.)
There's having a healthy self-esteem. Then there's being a jerk full of yourself.
Except she's not. When she so much as gains a little water weight, she goes 180 the other way. It would only be confidence if she didn't stress over gaining a little weight, but instead she seems one bad week away from an eating disorder.
While I loved the voices and attitudes in English, some are very far off, Goldmary being a prime example on how tones down she is.
Etie's English voice sounds really off the mark.
At least when Ted Woolsey changed up the script, he made it funnier or more vibrant in English. The changes to Goldmary by the localizers just confuse me and make the character unnecessarily unrelatable. We all know people in real life that think their body is better than others’. I’ve never met somebody in real life who brags about whatever esoteric bs that Goldmary brags about in the English localization.
good thing i already play on japanese dub
Thanks for the translations.... sucks how she got changed for the worse
This is an improvement.
@@nuibaba280 Nope
@@sladejosephwilson2300 Yeah
@@nuibaba280 Nope
@@sladejosephwilson2300 let people think what they want rather than posting unnecessary garbage like that.
more localizers ruining things out of being egocentric, they don't like the words so they make it their mission to change it, look into their social media and they gloat to it cause its about making people think like them, all the more reason to know the language
all about control and group think to their standards, always is, call it out and don't buy this game
The Japanese pronunciation of Goldmary sounds like "Gordo Mary", gordo means fat in spanish. It's silly but kinda funny
Funny how one of her supports (framme) is about her fearing she gained weight
@@acefreak9561 FATMARY IT IS
@@lunanasushistax6692 noooooo xD
The way they pronounce the 'r' is too soft, so it doesn't quite land as it should.
@@Minarreal Me and my husband are mexican and play in Japanese, and the minute they pronounced her name it was instant the moment we started calling her "gordomary/fatmary" I don't think the pronunciation of the r is soft in the slightest, maybe you should hear how "gordo" sounds in it's native language
Well, the song fits more here for what actually is a very petty argument. However, Etie talking about men doesn't sit right with me.
Kind of interesting the localization went as hard as this, though. NoA usually only tones down the nonsense without sacrificing the intent but here they seriously modified the conversations to such extent that a few of the characters are just not quite the same compared to their Japanese portrayals.
Come on there's the "modern audience" they need to think about. It always live in their head rent free.
Unless I am dismembering some of the details, Henry's character being handled different, but the intent was the same where both versions make him a person who doesn't really get how people are suppose to act normally and how to handle the stuff he went through. Where they differ was how he tries going about it. Japanese has him smiling at everything, even at inappropate times, while English made him joke about stuff more.
I will at least say that Engage is not getting hit with "muh evil localization" nearly as bad as Fates. Are there some changes that are odd and make you wonder why was that changed? Sure, but this is nothing new for the series, even as far back as the GBA games.
This game dub was made by threehouse the same people that made Fe:Fates dub and as far as I'm concerned is bad, not insultingly bad but as someone who's learning Japanese i can pick the difference between the versions and they are some important one.
@@Soulxstaridn't they change a bunch of the romantic stuff with Alear as well? And no I am not referring to the Anna and Jean stuff I mean with a slew of other characters that seem to be the same age as Alear (minus the 1k year sleep ofc).
@@kimitohanahala8674 modern audiences. Really they are weebs and Otaku only playing right and core fire emblem fans.
Localizers were so offended by this they completely changed it, they are extremely sensitive and have no respect for the games they work on.
Need to see more of japanese version clips especially ivy and veyle with the mc conversation
Another example of how dumb censorship is
tbf the first one with framme and the one with yunaka were relatively unchanged for the english version, she still strips to take a dip in framme's, and she mentions something yunaka may not want people seeing among her "unmentionables" (which tbh sounds MORE dirty than just underwear she doesnt want people seeing)
Isnt it depressing Nintendo of America figured "underwear" was too dirty of a word... they butchered this games translation compared to the old 3ds titles. Then again they removed certain things I'm completely okay with as well (S ranking the child anna 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️)
@@ericajones2166 No I think they said they were okay with the Anna S support being butchered
@@ing5998 oh! Yeah your right, I misread the comment completely
@@braydonattoe2078 bro if you think the 3ds ones are better, which includes fates, your smoking some shit
Let's not forget "..." For s b support and the pickle dude
Jesus
@@TheGunFreak94 dang son you're angry. 😬🤡
I can't decide which script I hate more.
1:19 *insert lightning here*
What would give to have the Japanese dialogue but with the English voice actor for Goldmary.
Etie's not wrong... Dudes and women alike still like a woman with thighs that can crush a watermelon.
I love the kind of woman who will actually just kill me.
@@stormwatcheagle5448 7u7
I want this Goldmary.
Im convinced localization at IS love to make eng dubs as unconvincing as possible
That's not IS's fault, that's Nintendo Treehouse.
Tree house
Its like shes trying to be Hinata Hyuuga but her narcisism is getting in the way of appearing that way. The fact they missed that mark so much in the dub is a travesty, shameful censors.
So she’s the best, abs English tried to contain her power.
My god. She’s almost an entirely different character in Japanese. That sweet voice abs overly polite way of speech combined with the insanity is hilarious
I understand the direction they went in English and it’s great. But this…😂
nintendo please get rid of treehouse
her ponytail is a man of culture.
Are you gonna be doing this for other characters?
ihihih i love japanese vo
God I wish I could get paid to write random fanfics when asked to translate a japanese game
Now that's one job that I don't mind seeing AI completely replace
Literal translation isn't exactly good. We don't need more "nakama is a concept that don't exist in English" doohickey and some things genuinely have to be rewritten so the spirit of a joke or phrase makes sense.
@@Weremole Then hire competent translators then. I'll take One Piece's meme tier nakama fantranslation over this crap.
@@namelessbag that's problem number one with underpaying translators (driving away the ones with the best portfolios) or trying to save money by using a language model and then hiring a translator to try fixing the many generated mistakes. You get what you pay for.
@@Weremole one of the translators admitted to not knowing japanese and just makes stuff up. They shouldn't be paid at all yet they been working there for atleast 10 or so years.
It's not a translation it's a localization, meant to fit in with the local culture
I really want to play this but I really wish it were atleast slightly more accurate with its translations. Specifically (ありがとーおにちゃん大好き) should never be (oh, Mar-Mar! I missed you so much!) It was all in hiragana too. Someone with a little n5 vocabulary could have translated it.
There is a patch that restores the original script, localized by fans. You do need a modded switch, however...
WTF this is actually entertaining. I love Engage, why did they ruin the dialogue for me just because I’m English speaking???
live framme reaction
They are all sociopaths...
I love them.
The angry fading Etie in the thumbnail gives me life
Honestly I kinda got that this was what they were going for in the english supports so I'm not mad... But I just can't help but wonder why they changed Goldmary? I also find the younger female characters like Hortensia being changed reasonable enough as to not care but this just seems petty. Like Goldmary made someone on the localization team mad or uncomfortable and they grew a personal vendetta against her character. Especially since she sometimes comes off as a dense, spoiled idiot in the English version whereas in the Japanese version it's easier to see her emotionally manipulative undertones.
Personally, I found English Goldmary's bite to be way more obvious, especially since she seems snarkier, more sarcastic, and way more aggressive.
She's more like TFS Vegeta, as compared to this Goldmary being less in your face.
@@MrGksarathy I guess she does seem more sarcastic in the English version, but in the Japanese version Goldmary basically tells Etie to kill herself, so I wouldn't really say she's more subtle...
@@Snowstorm... The moe affect is stronger, at least.
Sorry, but you can't put "censored" and "reasonable" next to each other like that
@@daz1543 Sorry man, but I completely understand why they would want to tone down Alear's relationships with the characters who are minors (Granted the datamine lists Alear as "17" but he's also a dragon in Fire Emblem so that doesn't matter). I don't think that's a weird thing to say. Especially since Japan is super lax with that sort of thing and America judges people harshly for it. In fact there's a good amount of prominent Japanese voice actors who are outspoken lolicons (and I mean people who are *really into it).* If someone out here said that, they'd get flamed online and lose their job.
weeb 4 lyfe
“With a body like this everyone will hate me”
Me: *BIGGER*
BRUH! Why couldn't we get THIS Fire Emblem!?
"What's popular nowadays are pretty women like me with muscle tone. Men desire women like me."
That wold be true if you weren't small and weak.
She does have visible abs in the official art and heroes art but her model doesn't show it unfortunately.
The changes are justified
Nintendo Treehouse really need to have layoffs if the localisation is this bad. The blatant mistranslation and censorship is ridiculous when the Japanese fits the age rating.
Altered content and outright removal of dialogue means if be paying the same price for the same game with less content.
Damn the stuff with Framme makes me feel more like she's an abuse victim.
I feel way more like Boucheron is the abuse victim, but I see what you mean.
thank you!
Goldmary is one of the only characters I like lmao
Oh I should say this before I forget thanks for doing this video :3 and adding subs to em
It's true that Goldmary is hotter and hard to resist, but her personality would be a huge turn off for me. I really don't like arrogant woman, and Etie is definitely the keeper here (who's still fcken gorgeous in her own right).
I'm okay with her personality, but her design is all over over the place. The artist did a great job in capturing a look that conveys that this is what Goldmary _thinks_ the most attractive woman looks like without actually being all that impressive as opposed to, say, Ivy.
@@amanofnoreputation2164 Yes, Ivy and her spiked gloves and boots, and the waffle iron that has a rose added to it after premotion. That isn't all over the place at all...
@@wetlikewash8055 Yeah... Even as someone who'd prefer Ivy's design; To say that Goldmarys is "all over over the place" compared to her is... Well it's absurd, hahah.
Not that it's entirely without merit though. Ivy at least makes more sense for being a mage, while Goldmary literally just looks like a village girl with a massive pauldron slapped on her shoulder.
Still doesn't make it more outrageous that Ivys though.
Both Goldmary and Etie are arrogant, the difference is that Goldmary is arrogant in how she can be the perfect waifu and only need compliments to be happy, making her very low maintenance.
So Goldmary > Etie
Etie argument could be solid, if she wasn't being hypocritical herself: she comes looking for a fight with goldmary umprompted, and frankly(this is intentional by the writing, but that doesn't change my point) she doesn't fit her own ideal body type.
In the localized version of their support it actually make her look worse because she criticize that goldmary might not be ready enough to fight, when frankly goldmary start out stronger than etie
1:19 BASED
Wtf this is fire emblem now?
Is it bad that I like goldmary more after watching this
Goldmary isn't confident. She's cocky and conceited and I really don't like that about her.
While I do find the english version of Goldmary hilarious that does not make what they did right. This is just absurd how different some of these lines are.
Please do this with Goldmary and Camilla's conversation as well! 🙏🙏🙏
Please do this with Goldmary and Camilla's conversation as well! 🙏🙏🙏
"If you don't mind.. would you mind dying please?"
a completely normal reaction to this type of conversation.
yeah, totally.
definitely.
i would know.
(me having never talking to anyone about this stuff before)
It would be nice If you add english version to compere.
Dear IS, you call this support conversations? Srsly I hate Goldmary in both versions
i love jp goldmary absolute riot XD
it annoys me that they censor such harmless things. meanwhile in elemtary schools they have pornograhic books in their libraries
I don't even understand why they censored so much in general. Most of it is really tame, the only once I kinda get are the ones with child romance. The rest is just really tame. It's also weird that any kind of mentioning of romance is completely gone, especially since 3Houses wasn't like that.
There is no child romance in the japanese version either.
@@mateusgreenwood1096 I'm pretty sure there is. I remember the one with Anna explicitly saying that Alear will wait till Anna is 18,but they are still married and technically a couple. And I thought Hortensia had romance as well. Not that I agree with my older comment, censorship is almost always bad.
wow so she's an even worse character in the original japanese
Thanks for reminding me why I should never buy anything without doing research first. Treehouse has got to go.
Goldmary is so conceited to the core... I love her! Definitely gonna up her support with Etie later just for this scene! 🤣
I got sent a mod folder by a friend, and what do you know? Turns out I have been playing with uncensored dialogue. Aint turning that mod off now
Yeah...Golmary is cute, but she does ANNOY the shish outta me
Im gonna get rid of her if you guys don't mind
reminds me of Teruhashi / Kokomi
I don't recall seeing 3d games seeing a change on someone's body unless a time skip happens.
...or Wario. I looked at his stomach growing while listening to the thing with Framme & Goldmary. Is that weird?
DESUWAAAA
Tree house is a mistake.
Bon kyu bon
If the goal was to make the most unlikeable character in Fire Emblem, they hit the goalpost with Goldmary. Bad design, horrible person, and not even that good of a unit.
Lubrique goldmary
We were robbed gentlemen
1:11-1:21
*Gets Code Geass Euphinator flashbacks*
You know, is it bad that I'm kinda bittersweet the ENG version changed the B conversation between Etie and Goldmary? On one hand I *100%* see why they'd want to tone down a bunch of the degeneracy in Engage, and I feel like this change was a good move and still deliciously chaotic.
On the other hand, part of me still finds the JP version absolutely chaotic and hilarious and low-key wishes they kept it in. We'd probably reach BlazBlue levels of degeneracy in FE (though I feel like we've already reached that point...), and I'd be 95% okay with that.
Blazblue degen is hilarious, like Lambda saying that hips don't lie
blazblue gag reels are peak, and also so very often boob-centered
She is really screwed up in the head!
Well, i understand. For certain "modern" Genzzz players, that kind of woman char can be interpreted as "stereotypical", and even "that's not empowered, independent enough", because she's always trying to look appealing to males. But personally, i like her like that, because in real life that's a personality trait that definitely does exists lol
I don't think you DO understand. Most Gen Z are too busy having panic attacks about not having a future more than giving a shit about male-gaze-puppet-#9213571.
The reason why the localization did this is because even among Gen Z, the United States is still at least 60% Christian. And do you know what's looked down upon in Christian communities? Promiscuity and showing off your body like a "harlot". So no, it's not "modern" people you should be blaming, it's the exact opposite, lmfao.
Lol cringe af
I like the way she speaks while also being incredibly blunt, genuinely think it’s cute lol
Man kinda sad that the animation is too lacking... expression from the facial animation felt the same, movements are too stiff, some movements doesnt fit to the text and late expressing dynamic movement (for example being shock). I thought they are gonna refine those animation after three houses but nah still going to pay for some cheap animation. Typical bland character interaction. im still looking forward to the fame mechanics but thats only it i guess...
I'm sure no one here will surprised to learn the head localizer has pronouns in his Twitter bio.
What does that has to do with anything
@@viniciusroberto1451 Exactly. I hate that these conversations about localization always get hijacked by reactionary idiots complaining about SJWs.
@@viniciusroberto1451 Seriously? If a piece of media was censored to oblivion and everyone had to play a game of "pin the tail on the localizer" everyone would choose the one with pronouns in their bio. Unironic presence of pronouns in a person's bio is a clear indicator of what side of the censorship isle they stand on. I.E pro-censorship.
@@MrGksarathy Maybe it wouldn't appear that way if anyone other SJWs were responsible for the censorship of Japanese media? Oh wait, that makes too much sense.
And both of my replies were shadowbanned. 😧 Well let's try something else then. Nice comments you guys left there sure would be a shame if they both disappeared, or their meanings were altered beyond recognition.
Subs are a bit weird
0:10 "Shitsurei desuka" = "excuse me" + " (I wonder) is there something wrong with my ears" (statement without question mark but spoken as a question)
0:20
Goldmary: How rude, So, what of it?
Shitsurei , depending on the context, can mean "how rude", but in this context she's being polite, so she's not saying "how rude" , but "Pardon me". We just had an earlier example at 0:10, how do you even make this mistake?
0:13 "Dareka henjin na to?" "Who are you referring to as a weirdo/strange person?"
0:58 "kyoshiku desuga" = I appreciate the advice but-
there's no need to add "seriously" as she didn't say that
"people are looking for someone like you (with that body type)?
Is that what you're trying to say just now?
Can't wait until AI replaces paid localizers, some mangaka are already looking into that
Can't happen fast enough. Though I'm sure it won't actually change much, the moment it makes it an accurate translation people who don't even play the game will complain about it on Twitter and the algorithm the AI learned from will be changed to be more progressive.
@@goatslayer3160 Localization is just apart of Translating a game anime and manga, with nobody in the ani-manga community actually liking exact translations. So don't kid yourself here, most people who don't like dubs watch subs the vocal minority in this case are the people who wants exact translations for the dubs.
@@kiriekurashiki1028 Nobody wants exact translations, stop strawmanning.
People just don't want information to be omitted or changed for social politics reasons.
Maybe you only speak english and never had to translate anything yourself so you see no fault with the flaws of anime and game translations.
Normally you read things then extract the informations from it: What is being said? How is it being said? What is implied? and then you find the fitting counterparts in the target language.
Also yeah sometimes things dont translate well, most of the time they do however and the things that get changed often have very clear translations.
I guess its depends on person. For me localisation is shit way of translation not just because I dont want "social politics" in it.
But because localisation kills Japanese identity. Localisation cant be good or bad. Its whole point of localisation to give identity to the game where it will be imported to.
I mean, reason why manga became popular in first place because how different Japanese side of the world to western.
Japanese mindset, ethic, culture. Japanese mannerism. Its absolutely normal that western culture is boring for those who live there and will be drawn by different culture.
Saving Japanese mannerism\identity in text\storyscript is what most important for weebs like me. And what did appeal others in FIRST PLACE.
And failing to understand few Japanese gags because they lost meaning in translation not going to kill anyone.
@@luminous3558 It is not straw-manning when that's precisely what many of these complaints are with some people complaining about them changing the dialogue with all of the underaged proposal scenes and others complaining about how the jokes and/or personalities were altered. Surely you realize that only an exact translation would make any of these things work. Localization exists for this exact reason sadly