I have a 2020 Vitara. Allgrip has an amazing software. New Subaru's are worse for some reason but Suzuki continues to innovate. I climbed to 2300 meters, really hard track with rocks, just had A/T tires if you call it a modification. I really wouldn't call the Vitara a "light off-roader", it is an off-road beast in the shape of a city SUV. Very impressive and pleased with it. Thank you for your informative videos man! Greetings from Turkey.
You are testing the latest edition of Vitara, with the first edistion of duster.Do it with the new Duster equiped with antispin and you will be amazed.Also have an internal camera to show the rpm.Unfortunaly it seems you are manipulating the results, in favour of Vitara.
Chris Linardos Wrong. Duster with antispin (ESP/TC) went on sale in 2013. Suzuki All Grip system also went on sale in 2013, so where is any manipulation? In this case both cars are from 2016. And what was the choice between 2015 and 2018? Duster I (FL) vs Vitara II. And what is the choice now? Duster II vs Vitara II. I will test newest Duster if I only find a volunteer with such car.
@@mattealex6821 it is about the 4wd system... Suzuki has a better 4wd system than Renault-Dacia...but still, for a low cost car, Duster is good in off road...
Suzuki wins (by a relatively small margin), but the key message is that both are VERY able 'soft roaders', compared to the plethora of wannabes which have AWD looks and ride height but no actual AWD ability whatsoever.
@@PaulA-zp7hn not really... a Vitara 1.4 AllGrip 1.0 turbo is 18.000€ and 1.4 turbo is 19.000€ and the cheapest 4wd Duster is 15.410€ with 1.6 114hp and manual a. c....Prestige with multilink camera system is 19-20.000€...the problems is that they are not from the sa me category... Vitara is smaller(especially the trunk, 375L) and is lower(only 185mm/18.5cm) and the Duster is bigger(the trunk has 411L) and is higher(210mm/21cm)...Duster is the same category as the SX4(1.0 turbo AllGrip is 18.130€ and the 1.4 turbo AllGrip is 19. 420€)...all the prices are from Romania
If there is somethnig that is influenced by the weight of the cars in that Platform, because people doesn t understan that the first thing for a performance car is a low weight. On road f.e. ALFA Giulia off road f e fiat panda 4x4 😁
Duster is more expensive for what it offers. The engines are not great. The 4wd is just a cheaper version from Nissan. The chassis has only 3 star EURO NCAP. It's a good utility car only if it drops 3k euro in price, like 18k the top of the line and about 15k with 4wd included. Compared euro per euro and tech vs tech, Suzuki wins by a large margin. The 1.4L turbo is a great engine, feels like a diesel with 220 Nm of torque. I have an SX4-Scross 1.4 turbo allgrip and Duster is out of its league.
Hey man thank you for the comparison I was waiting this for a long time. Do you know is there any software difference between Duster 1 and Duster 2 4wd system
This test show the ability of the car of recognising the situation and transferring power to the wheels which have grip. These two videos may help: *Tests on rollers vs real world situations* th-cam.com/video/926i0zqteXE/w-d-xo.html *Tests on rollers - WHAT DO THEY SHOW? How to interpret the results?* th-cam.com/video/ntxgFjaX9HM/w-d-xo.html
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thanks. I'll have a look. Can you also simply tell which of these two cars performed the best here - from at expert viewpoint? Thanks.
Great shootout of the two real rivals :) One question: do you know maybe if there are any changes in AllGrip activity in Vitara during production? Lets say Vitara 2015 and 2021. Is AllGrip adjusted by the engine? My Vitara is 2015 diesel with manual 6speed Thank you 👋
I have no official information. However - recently we tested Vitara 1.5 Full Hybrid and All Grip worked slightly different there thus it is highly possible that awd system software is adapted to the engine.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers exactly, i expected this. I wish i could see mine version on rollers :) Hm, and what about Vitara vs. SX4 SCross with the same engine and gearbox? 😁
@@avgram4192 Unfortunately Vitara diesel was not available in my country so it will be hard to find it for the test. When it comes to Vitara and S-Cross - I don't know. I remember that when Vitara entered the market - it had updated software in relation to S-Cross but I think that during authorised services all cars got the update.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers thank you for your fast replies. Please, if it ever comes to your hands, do it. Come here with rollers and you can do it with mine, it would be interesting for both i hope :) Greetings from Croatia
He didn't really conclude any comparisons between the two cars. As he says, there's a 2 to 3 times more snow like there was when he tested Vitara. He talks about how Duster aims to be as good as Vitara and that it is comparatively priced. Then he proceeds do turn off ESP and turn on the Lock setting. He mentions that ESP will turn itself on after 50km/h is reached. Then he tried to climb the hill but he could not, possibly because of the snow, and he didn't really think ( or say out loud) that Duster is inferior to Vitara in his terrain capabilities. Last thing he mentioned is that between axel coupling ( I had to use transalor for this one) may overheat when used extensively in conditions like this.
Paul Duster I with ESP/TC was available from 2013 to 2018. Suzuki Vitara II from 2015 and still available. All Grip system from Suzuki is on the market since 2013. In this test both cars are from 2016.
There was no equality of conditions, the surface of the land was different, the conditions of humidity and heat also, all that can affect the final result.
I do not say it to discredit your comparison, I like it is very original, but it is noticeable that the surface does not have the same grip and the condition of the Sun are relatively different, it is known that greater temperature of the ground or of tires greater grip. My criticism does not have bad intentions but to help improve your work, which I find innovative. regards
Francisco Acevedo Thanks, but I can't agree. Tires with grip are on dry pavement. They are not spinning on pavement, so they have ~100% grip. This is not labolatory test with measurments of miliseconds. Car passes some test or fails. That's all.
Mastertoon Jeśli tylko znajdę chętnego do testu z nowym Dusterem, to będzie porównanie. Nowa Vitara nie różni się mechanicznie od poprzedniej, to tylko FL.
The thing about rollers is that they test dummy scenarios and capabilities ONLY of the AWD system. Give me an example of having 0 traction on 2 front and 1 back wheel simultaneously, with only 1 back wheel having to pull the car.. I am doing a lot of off road and this scenario almost never happens as the car is on the move and other things matter most such as suspension, ground clearance, angles etc.. Rollers are for Geeks not for real off roaders!
Konstantinos Tylipakis Roller test has nothing to do with offroad, I don't know why you are connecting these things. I agree about test on 3 rollers, extremely rare or impossible situation, but it shows how smart awd system is. The most important is test on two rollers which can simulate real, onroad situations.
To add to your point the 3 roller test could simulate a very icy road. Yes ground clearance is an issue for some people but 90% of these cars rarely mount a grass verge. Excellent and valid test. Cheers.
It's amazing how much time needs the Suzuki to move the rear wheels... the front ones start and two hours later the sistem seems to understand what's going on and then it sends torq to the back side. Too slow !
Nope, that's not correct. That's the effect of classic automatic transmission with torque converter. When driver takes away his foot from the brake pedal - front wheels are spinning although the car is not powered yet. You can see the same effect in many other cars with torque converter. If Vitara is on-throttle then awd system is engaged before car starts to move, no matter what mode you chose and what conditions are there.
I am sorry but this is unfair for duster. This duster has only 156 nm torque. You should test the 1.5 4x4 with 260 nm torque. That 's the real offroad duster.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers i don't agree because i think torque matter. Its like you test landcruiser with small engine 1.6 for example, it will do nothing. Also in real offroad conditions duster diesel is by far better from vitara.
Marios 1 Here you have Suzuki with 1.6 engine (like in Duster): th-cam.com/video/mYnvrmT_qCs/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/1fspDr7kb_Y/w-d-xo.html And here you have Duster diesel, no difference: th-cam.com/video/Q1fxgLaFoWI/w-d-xo.html
do a serios and real test and put bouth cars in real ruff terain and the duster with 1.5dci engine and you will see the results ... the real results than ! duster is much more better and cheaper !!! what a f' test ...
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I have a 2020 Vitara. Allgrip has an amazing software. New Subaru's are worse for some reason but Suzuki continues to innovate. I climbed to 2300 meters, really hard track with rocks, just had A/T tires if you call it a modification. I really wouldn't call the Vitara a "light off-roader", it is an off-road beast in the shape of a city SUV. Very impressive and pleased with it. Thank you for your informative videos man! Greetings from Turkey.
Thank you very much, greetings from Poland!
I got the 2022 model brother! I am so excited with this car!!! Allgrip, hybrid.
Greetings from Greece
@@stylianosportokalidis4730 hello brother, good to meet a neighbor ❤️
Merhaba Özgür, hangi lastikleri kullandın Vitara için? Bende de 2022 model Vitara all-grip var ve lastik araştırıyorum
What about the ground clearance? Isn't it pretty low compared to the subarus?
I love my suzuki vitara sport! All grip❤
Amazing Suzuki job ! ty bro, and congratulation for the all new Jimny :D will be amazing !
th-cam.com/video/RFV6eSUS-eo/w-d-xo.html
@@gamersisters1113 What is this video showing?
Vitara rules! Go Suzuki
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@@gamersisters1113 What is this video showing?
Suzuki Vitara is the best!
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@@gamersisters1113 What is this video showing?
Suzuki rocks!!
Suzuki 😍😍
You are testing the latest edition of Vitara, with the first edistion of duster.Do it with the new Duster equiped with antispin and you will be amazed.Also have an internal camera to show the rpm.Unfortunaly it seems you are manipulating the results, in favour of Vitara.
Chris Linardos Wrong. Duster with antispin (ESP/TC) went on sale in 2013. Suzuki All Grip system also went on sale in 2013, so where is any manipulation? In this case both cars are from 2016. And what was the choice between 2015 and 2018? Duster I (FL) vs Vitara II. And what is the choice now? Duster II vs Vitara II.
I will test newest Duster if I only find a volunteer with such car.
He is not manipulating, but the Duster needs more rpm
Matte Alex There was quite a lot rpm, more than in many other cars, wheels were spinning fast.
@@mattealex6821 it is about the 4wd system... Suzuki has a better 4wd system than Renault-Dacia...but still, for a low cost car, Duster is good in off road...
Here is new Duster vs Vitara:
th-cam.com/video/SBuAkzEWvWM/w-d-xo.html
Suzuki wins (by a relatively small margin), but the key message is that both are VERY able 'soft roaders', compared to the plethora of wannabes which have AWD looks and ride height but no actual AWD ability whatsoever.
Small margin? The Duster failed several tests that the Suzuki passed.
Relatively small margin... yes. Looks like we simply disagree.
Isn't there at least a 7k Euro price difference between these?
@@PaulA-zp7hn not really... a Vitara 1.4 AllGrip 1.0 turbo is 18.000€ and 1.4 turbo is 19.000€ and the cheapest 4wd Duster is 15.410€ with 1.6 114hp and manual a. c....Prestige with multilink camera system is 19-20.000€...the problems is that they are not from the sa me category... Vitara is smaller(especially the trunk, 375L) and is lower(only 185mm/18.5cm) and the Duster is bigger(the trunk has 411L) and is higher(210mm/21cm)...Duster is the same category as the SX4(1.0 turbo AllGrip is 18.130€ and the 1.4 turbo AllGrip is 19. 420€)...all the prices are from Romania
Dusan great test. For this price range both cars are very good. Vitara is slighty better..
Suzuki = Best car
03:10 : Why you should not buy duster :)
Because it's less safe, less confortable, less reliable.
Ho comprato la nuova vitara 1.4 allgrip 2020 top , mi divertirò molto in montagna e con la neve !
Vitara allgrip won even Audi Quatro
Nice Test!!
agree, very nice test, but there is some mechanism that is infuenced by the weight of the veicle? i mean in the slipplatform?
emilio gaggiottini I am not sure what you mean, what mechanism?
If there is somethnig that is influenced by the weight of the cars in that Platform, because people doesn t understan that the first thing for a performance car is a low weight. On road f.e. ALFA Giulia off road f e fiat panda 4x4 😁
@@srfnus Nope, there are just two cylinders rotating on bearings, nothing more :)
Siktir et Türkçe yaz kanka sen 🇹🇷
Suzuki Vitara. Price from $21990, Dacia Duster Price from 14000$.
Dan dd Do they have the same equipment?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers that duster, at least engine,and off-road is maxed out,
SXsoft99 I'm sorry but I don't understand what you mean...
İmpressive job. Well done vitara
Vitara
what does the duster cost, and what does the vitara cost......
@@orangek5 Actually not that much of a difference...
Duster is more expensive for what it offers. The engines are not great. The 4wd is just a cheaper version from Nissan. The chassis has only 3 star EURO NCAP. It's a good utility car only if it drops 3k euro in price, like 18k the top of the line and about 15k with 4wd included. Compared euro per euro and tech vs tech, Suzuki wins by a large margin. The 1.4L turbo is a great engine, feels like a diesel with 220 Nm of torque. I have an SX4-Scross 1.4 turbo allgrip and Duster is out of its league.
Suzuki subaru perfect
As long your antispin is working and you have lots of brake pads! You are good to go!
Appears to be over revving Duster compared to Vitara? Not equal comparison?
It wouldn't move at all from rollers without 2-3k revving.
duszaniespokojna - 4x4 tests on rollers Fair point, thanks.
Hey man thank you for the comparison I was waiting this for a long time. Do you know is there any software difference between Duster 1 and Duster 2 4wd system
Özkan Uğur Çetin Today I tested new Duster, there are for sure software differences. Video coming soon!
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers you are the man I am waiting it please upload it Fast :)
Özkan Uğur Çetin Test of new Duster coming on Monday evening! th-cam.com/video/l7o6uw9MKyQ/w-d-xo.html
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers already marked it :)
I know nothing about 4x4, or what this test shows. What's the takeaway? Which is better?
This test show the ability of the car of recognising the situation and transferring power to the wheels which have grip. These two videos may help:
*Tests on rollers vs real world situations* th-cam.com/video/926i0zqteXE/w-d-xo.html
*Tests on rollers - WHAT DO THEY SHOW? How to interpret the results?* th-cam.com/video/ntxgFjaX9HM/w-d-xo.html
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thanks. I'll have a look. Can you also simply tell which of these two cars performed the best here - from at expert viewpoint? Thanks.
@@stefanhansen5882 There is 5 tests. Vitara passed 5, Duster passed 4. In this case the awd system of Vitara is smarter than the one in Duster.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thanks. :)
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers What's the cheapest car which passed all 5 tests? :)
there are more advance rolles that do not allow tyre to go outside of the roller
These are modified to: th-cam.com/video/r3sXIfynGls/w-d-xo.html
Great shootout of the two real rivals :)
One question: do you know maybe if there are any changes in AllGrip activity in Vitara during production? Lets say Vitara 2015 and 2021. Is AllGrip adjusted by the engine? My Vitara is 2015 diesel with manual 6speed
Thank you 👋
I have no official information. However - recently we tested Vitara 1.5 Full Hybrid and All Grip worked slightly different there thus it is highly possible that awd system software is adapted to the engine.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers exactly, i expected this. I wish i could see mine version on rollers :)
Hm, and what about Vitara vs. SX4 SCross with the same engine and gearbox? 😁
@@avgram4192 Unfortunately Vitara diesel was not available in my country so it will be hard to find it for the test. When it comes to Vitara and S-Cross - I don't know. I remember that when Vitara entered the market - it had updated software in relation to S-Cross but I think that during authorised services all cars got the update.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers thank you for your fast replies. Please, if it ever comes to your hands, do it. Come here with rollers and you can do it with mine, it would be interesting for both i hope :)
Greetings from Croatia
@@avgram4192 Thanks, greetings from Poland!
Do we have anyone from Slovakia here?
Ahoj 😁
Nabu SK Ahoj :-D Do you speak English well enough to translate me short info from Slovakian test of Duster? :-)
Good enough to try at least. xD
Thanks! Can you please shortly explain part from 6-35 to 8-35 concerning awd comparison of Duster and Vitara? th-cam.com/video/3l4YHx0mdiU/w-d-xo.html
He didn't really conclude any comparisons between the two cars.
As he says, there's a 2 to 3 times more snow like there was when he tested Vitara. He talks about how Duster aims to be as good as Vitara and that it is comparatively priced. Then he proceeds do turn off ESP and turn on the Lock setting. He mentions that ESP will turn itself on after 50km/h is reached. Then he tried to climb the hill but he could not, possibly because of the snow, and he didn't really think ( or say out loud) that Duster is inferior to Vitara in his terrain capabilities. Last thing he mentioned is that between axel coupling ( I had to use transalor for this one) may overheat when used extensively in conditions like this.
are these two cars of the same generation?
Paul Duster I with ESP/TC was available from 2013 to 2018. Suzuki Vitara II from 2015 and still available. All Grip system from Suzuki is on the market since 2013.
In this test both cars are from 2016.
Thanks!
Vitara win
suzuki are one of the best with its allgrip
Japanese are the best.
suzuki subaru toyota every time
Vitara Breeza
I like more the Duster
There was no equality of conditions, the surface of the land was different, the conditions of humidity and heat also, all that can affect the final result.
Francisco Acevedo Conditions are the same - dry pavement, no inclines.
Humidity? How can this affect roller tests??
I do not say it to discredit your comparison, I like it is very original, but it is noticeable that the surface does not have the same grip and the condition of the Sun are relatively different, it is known that greater temperature of the ground or of tires greater grip. My criticism does not have bad intentions but to help improve your work, which I find innovative. regards
Francisco Acevedo Thanks, but I can't agree. Tires with grip are on dry pavement. They are not spinning on pavement, so they have ~100% grip.
This is not labolatory test with measurments of miliseconds. Car passes some test or fails. That's all.
Dacia is unreable cheep ugly shit. I own Vitara hybrid exclusive and is perfect lovelly car
that's Duster 1 not last one 😉
Cornel Con Video with last one coming soon, it is already tested!
Maybe I will see Mokka X soon :)
vs subaru XV?
QCCanales th-cam.com/video/-IXRnjI4WoI/w-d-xo.html
Is it the new Duster or the previous one? If it's the previous I wonder if they've updated the software
Bot Theodore Previous one. I am looking for new one to test it.
duszaniespokojna może bezpośrednie porównanie starego i nowego? Ciekawe czy coś poprawili. Vitara też jest już nowa, chwalą że ponoć dobrze jeździ.
Mastertoon Jeśli tylko znajdę chętnego do testu z nowym Dusterem, to będzie porównanie. Nowa Vitara nie różni się mechanicznie od poprzedniej, to tylko FL.
Mastertoon Nowy Duster przetestowany, w takiej samej wersji silnikowej jak poprzedni, wkrótce film z testów!
duszaniespokojna czekam z niecierpliwością, uwielbiam nowego Dustera... eh szkoda że nie wszedł na rynek 3 lata wcześniej.
CE MAI VREI ROMANE?!
Suzi is clearly superior..
The thing about rollers is that they test dummy scenarios and capabilities ONLY of the AWD system. Give me an example of having 0 traction on 2 front and 1 back wheel simultaneously, with only 1 back wheel having to pull the car.. I am doing a lot of off road and this scenario almost never happens as the car is on the move and other things matter most such as suspension, ground clearance, angles etc.. Rollers are for Geeks not for real off roaders!
Konstantinos Tylipakis Roller test has nothing to do with offroad, I don't know why you are connecting these things. I agree about test on 3 rollers, extremely rare or impossible situation, but it shows how smart awd system is. The most important is test on two rollers which can simulate real, onroad situations.
To add to your point the 3 roller test could simulate a very icy road. Yes ground clearance is an issue for some people but 90% of these cars rarely mount a grass verge. Excellent and valid test. Cheers.
we can not compare, if the tires are different
kera zul On rollers? Please explain how tires may affect test on rollers...
Vitara wins a little, but is also "wins" 2x in price
Витара класс
Suzuki é melhor
It's amazing how much time needs the Suzuki to move the rear wheels... the front ones start and two hours later the sistem seems to understand what's going on and then it sends torq to the back side. Too slow !
Nope, that's not correct. That's the effect of classic automatic transmission with torque converter. When driver takes away his foot from the brake pedal - front wheels are spinning although the car is not powered yet. You can see the same effect in many other cars with torque converter. If Vitara is on-throttle then awd system is engaged before car starts to move, no matter what mode you chose and what conditions are there.
Here's the explanation of fake delay: th-cam.com/video/pS3_nHXfLdA/w-d-xo.html
Vitara and duster - plastic fantastic 😂
to bad the Duster doesn't have a diesel engine... i think it would perform better on 3 rollers.... 😁
aLtta1 No, it would not. There is 3 rollers test of 1.5 dci somewhere on TH-cam.
कोई भी गाड़ी हों पर 4wD ही अच्छी होती है
I am sorry but this is unfair for duster. This duster has only 156 nm torque. You should test the 1.5 4x4 with 260 nm torque. That 's the real offroad duster.
Marios 1 Maximum torque is not used in such test. Besides Duster has great, "offroad" 1st gear.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers i don't agree because i think torque matter. Its like you test landcruiser with small engine 1.6 for example, it will do nothing. Also in real offroad conditions duster diesel is by far better from vitara.
Marios 1 Here you have Suzuki with 1.6 engine (like in Duster):
th-cam.com/video/mYnvrmT_qCs/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/1fspDr7kb_Y/w-d-xo.html
And here you have Duster diesel, no difference: th-cam.com/video/Q1fxgLaFoWI/w-d-xo.html
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers th-cam.com/video/v_CSxy1qybY/w-d-xo.html
Marios 1 I know this video, what about it?
Suzuki manual ddis philippines please.... Suzuki...
DDiS is not available in my country, but that would not influence the test.
do a serios and real test and put bouth cars in real ruff terain and the duster with 1.5dci engine and you will see the results ... the real results than ! duster is much more better and cheaper !!! what a f' test ...
gore gonstantin This is not the test of offroad capabilities.
Dacia Duster it's the best. Thanks....
一目瞭然
Just get a real 4×4. Awd is terrible.
Tyler Scott Why would I need 4x4 in suv or passenger car? Awd is much better for such applications.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4×4 destroys awd in any application. I don't see your logic.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I was just joking at first. But essentially it's true.
Tyler Scott Well, I do not drive offroad, like majority of drivers, so 4x4 is useless.
Hai Dacia Duster
Wtf is this