Some random notes of a few things I neglected to mention in this video: - Bloodfiend Hunters are mentioned briefly by Faust in Murder on the WARP Express, but we know nothing about them except for their existence, so I figured I'd skip over it for now. I've got some theories of my own on them, specifically that they are either handled by Eight or Dieci Association North, but we're almost certainly gonna see more on them soon. - Tomerry and Love Town in general from Ruina are an odd situation- In the artbook, Kim Jihoon specifies that they were created by Elena fusing the passengers blood together, but they don't really seem to match either Bloodbags or Kindreds at all. It seems like it was done by Elena and Jae-heon without expressly using either of their actual powers, but I'm not fully certain what that entails. - Nosferatu being the first Bloodfiend is still a little leap of logic- It isn't proven yet. It's a fairly popular theory, but there's also a pretty decent chance that he is just a abnormality based on the fear of Bloodfiends. Funnily enough, if Nosferatu was in Lob Corp, we would have a definitive answer thanks to having a classification code: If Nosferatu is a O- Abnormality, then he'd have been 'original' and therefore would be likely the first Bloodfiend, but if he was a T- or F- abno, then he would've just been based on the trauma of Bloodfiends or just the fairytale itself. Since Ruina doesn't have classification codes, we don't know for sure, but treat Nosferatu being the first Bloodfiend as a solid maybe until then. - Cassetti's odd differences to most Bloodfiends: Cassetti's Bloodbags are much more crystalline then that of the ones we've seen else ware, with both Outis and Ryoshu even commenting on this, being coagulated blood instead of the veiny style of other Bloodfiends. This could just be interpreted as being something due to his fairly heavily diluted bloodline, but could also potentially indicate that Cassetti is a Distortion-originating Bloodfiend. This seems like a leap, but Dante says that Cassetti's Bloodbags are "closer to distortions" but still not quite the same, although we don't know what Dante can sense about Bloodfiends so it may be par for the course. It's possible Cassetti was aware of his Distortion and tried to join one of these Colonies of Bloodfiends, but wasn't allowed in, and just has a lot of delusions about it. Cassetti's observation log (which I had completely forgotten to check while researching for this video) actually says that it's more likely that he was "part of a stage play" before he was on the WARP train. Could be more evidence that he's a distortion originating Bloodfiend, but there's also a high likelihood that whatever Bloodfiend Colony he originates from is just like that? Could end up related to Canto 7, so I guess we'll see. There's a lot of uncertainty in this bullet point, but its something to consider, I suppose. If there's anything else, feel free to mention it in the comments, and I'll append this comment as need be!
Bloodfiends might have a weakness for counting. Elena knows the exact number of people it took to make a single beverage of blood (from Roland’s and Angelica’s encounter with Elena before she joined the blue reverberation ensemble), Don knows the exact fixer magazine page’s number (that could be just Don being Don), and Cassetti makes multiple mentions of the count being important. Old legends about Vampires said they had an obsessive need to keep track of everything. So, for example, if they found a pile of seeds, they need to count every individual seed. The obsession was so strong that, no matter what they were doing be before they found something they had not counted, they just stop and then count it.
Also, Cassetti wasn’t apologising to Don when he was trying to convert her, but apologising to his parent for having made two bloodfiends without there consent. He then pleaded for forgiveness from Don after it turned out she was a second gen bloodfiend, because he didn’t want to die.
The sweeper blood theory is unlikely. In LoR, the sweepers mention that the hunting of sweepers to be an unusual. In fact, they mention it to be basically be unpresident (at least in L corp) as they are the masters of the night (when they go out), and their burrows or nests (not as in a Wing’s nest like T corp’s nest) are filled with sweepers. If the bloodfiends were hunting the sweepers and feasting on them, the mother of the sweepers would declare war on them. Especially if it had been going on for at least 2 hundred years. The L corp elder in distortion detective never makes any mention of eating sweeper blood. Instead, she mentions that she feeds on humans, but doesn’t kill them by taking too much, or by killing and then eating. Maybe blood tastes better if you cause more reaction or pain to the one you eat (district 23 agrees with that). Or maybe you are correct and the elders are the only bloodfiends allowed eat human blood. Or maybe they tell other bloodfiends they can’t, but then do it themselves when the other bloodfiends aren’t looking.
The permission part that Casseti mentioned I think just means that bloodfiends need to ask elders permission to convert people into kindred's. If I'm not wrong Carmila was the one to mention it and the reasoning was that they don't want a lot of bloodfiends around since that would deminish the amount of people they can feed on and ruin the secrecy they like to maintain.
If we were to go with Nosferatu as the ancestor of all bloodfiend in the setting, we might actually already have a look at what the first generation might look like. Roland.... I mean Dipsia Even when Nosferatu's ego were to be put on him and allow Roland to use all of his power in the realization, Dipsia's form itself never have the monster side taken more than haft even if he were to shapeshift into the second phrase at lower than 50% hp. I know this is like a wild and huge leap of logic to take but I just thought it could be fun to think about
Moses mentioned having met with several bloodfiends in chapter 42, which would have been sometime before the first chapter chronologically; and we know that Don is aware of Moses from somewhere, so these two things likely add up together.
He isn't officially the captain or anything, since the operator of the office is Charles, but Roland serves as the de facto leader when it comes to the actual fixer work. Ogier refers to Roland as "the big man" in the Roland bad end, but I can't find any source for this beyond that, but its really hard to check all of ruina for something with how text heavy it is... so I may be misremembering something for all I know.
It seems a bit hasty to assume LoR's Nosferatu is THE first bloodfiend. Due to the nature of abnormalities, he could simply be a manifestation of humans' ideas and fears of the original bloodfiend or bloodfiens in general. We also don't know whether he was extracted via the Bucket or captured in the wild.
But is a good theory, and since we never see him before Library of Ruina like with the abnos of Wonder Lab. Also, he can give the 'Fear of Water' passive to librarians.
@@tcherlesonravel9117 "we never see him before LoR" neither do we see ozma, pinocchio, price of silence, silent girl, jester of nihil, or the adult who tells lies. They weren't in wonderlab either, so we have to assume they were in LobCorp HQ and we simply didn't get to see them. Most of them, including Nosferatu, were planned to appear in LobCorp, but were cut, so i don't get your point. "he can give the fear of water passive" and? How does this relate to anything?
@@glubolorf Since we don't see him in Lob Corp, there is a high chance that he was outside of the Library, like Servant of Wrath, Scared Cat and Road home who were on Wonder Lab and after being set loose were in the Library. Aside from Pinnochio, Silent Girl, and maybe Ozma, Nihil and the Adult who Tell Lies can be the same thing as Apocalipse Bird, Nihil being confirmed to need the four Magical Girls. As for the The Fear of Water passive on Ruina, if he can inflict it, that could mean that he can create Bloodfiends. Its Just a theory, but a really good one.
It's hasty, but also our best guess at the moment. But in any case I highly doubt he represents "humanity's fear of Bloodfiends". If people can distort into Bloodfiends without prior knowledge on them, then I see no reason why an Abnormality would need it. Specially when looking at the lore we get in LoR paints what he represents as a thirsts that desperately needs to be filled, like Roland's desperate need for revenge. And while abnormalities tend to represent a few associated themes I truly do doubt he would represent trauma regarding Bloodfiends when Bloodfiends seem to be content being left alone and humanity at large doesnt know about them.
@@tcherlesonravel9117 "there's a high chance he was outside of the library" there's nothing to indicate that. Abnormalities don't exist in only 1 instance, as shown in Leviathan. "if he can inflict it, he can create bloodfiends" ok? This still doesn't mean he's THE og bloodfiend. I've already said that he could be an abno that is based on him, which would include possessing similar abilities. And your counter to that is that... he possesses similar abilities?
@@ayinlcWell firstly, its never confirmed, we don’t even know if nosferatu ever had a mansion or if that was just its ideal environment, and secondly, neither the original nosferatu nor the abnormality appear to be able to turn people into vampires/bloodfiends
I would also like to add that the IRL Nosferatu movie seems to be an (unauthorized) adaptation of the dracula novel, COULD mean that the first bloodfiend might be Dracula, with the abnormality being created in his image
@@pezzathang3456 small note, nosferatu's fight does have a status effect called "fear of water" that he inflicts on the librarians is implied to do that sort of effect the status effect causes you to gain "blood" and also causes your librarians to be uncontrollable at a certain hp threshold
I’m currently reading Don Quixote, and just saying the Barber is actually one of two friends of Don Quixote and thus journeys with the Priest to bring him home from his madness. Not an individual seeking personal gain. Granted, this might change later as I’m 360~/950 through it.
My theory is that the Barber of PM is actually trying to facilitate Don’s dream of being a normal human, and thus why they made Rocinante, to facilitate this. Why do I assume this? Because I’m not going by the hair stylist sort of barber, I’m going for the doctor sort. You know, the kind associated with blood letting? That explains why he makes these accessories for the bloodfiends, to allow them to live as normal people more easily, by repressing desires. Thus, I assume that the Priest is trying to end the dream by killing her, likely as one of the heads of a bloodfiend hunting association.
When I first saw the "Barber" mentioned, I thought about the man that Don Quijote assaulted in the first book to get his iconic "helmet", since that guy was a barber. Knowing that there was another more important "Barber" made things make a bit more sense
I do like the similarities between our bloodfiends and the vampires form Vampire the Masquerade, it will probably cloud my perception of them but still.
The observation report made by Faust on Caseti constantly refers to a past encounter with a bloodfiend and their sub-entities, might be when Don struck the deal with limbus(since the 2nd knew about Dante) and also when Moses met Don
I haven't seen people talk about this, but back during Lob corp's development days, Posttype donators would get a sneak peek on abnormality logs. Nosferatu, being a scrapped abno from lob, was one of them. Although since it's scrapped content, i would take it with a grain of salt and it shouldn't be considered canon, BUT alot of the information does line up with the new info on bloodfiends we have today. The sequence of events in the log can be summarized as follows: 1) The banquet started at Tube's (The host) mansion 2) Peridot the chef is the first to be infected 3) Everyone at the banquet begins to be infected 4) The ones who weren't infected seemed to have called specialized doctors, including Elena to study the disaease 5)Doctors slowly turn infected Personally, i think these can be presumed as the order of kindred generation line. So with that there are a couple things that can be theorized. 1) Tube is Nosferatu 2) Nosferatu was somehow already there and was gen 0 and the real progenitor 3) Nosferatu came after the fact since abnormalities are personified peoples fears and stuff Again, this is scrapped content, so it shouldn't be viewed as canon, but pm does have a history of reusing old ideas, so even if this isn't right beat by beat for the future it could be used as a rough baseline for now. A translation of nosferatu's abno log: docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vS2EuUjmMQIMzM_xh8CN-Rb9oWZoQO-Z6F8Wakt6dd0eVC5Xa0iq8j-DZnenV98B9wrFmnxzPbxVXMg/pub Original archived pastebin link on a korean blog post: pastebin.com/ZdnxjMij
Funny how there are literal vampires in The City, but The Head is harassing some robot librarian who wishes to become human instead of dealing with the supernatural threats.
It may be worth noting the existence of another blood-fiend like abnormality; while not humanoid, Four-hundred Roses (the abnormality that gives the gift 'Carmilla') is described to be a giant blood-sucking rose that has large bright red spots on its head, similar to the red eyes of blood fiends. The abno event itself describes the roses insatiable lust to consume blood, no matter what. To add onto this, the novel that the rose is based on (also named 'Carmilla') is a story of a female vampire of the same name that changes her identity and moves around the world feeding on specific people. Vampires in the Novel also do not suffer from the same 'normal vampire weaknesses' just as bloodfiends do.
@@MazuiLakon that’s why I said ‘blood-fiend LIKE’, Carmilla may very well be connected to Nosferatu but it’s not confirmed, they share similarities which is why I thought it was worth bringing up
I don't think bloodfiends have a chance of ever overthrowing humanity because they get weaker from generation to generation while humanity get stronger due to the invention of new technologies. So in the longer term they are not significant threat to humanity.
It's rather amusing in retrospect that one of Don's first EGOs was Telepole. As in, the dog with a giant wooden stake through its chest. Also, while the Pinky _might_ have a Bloodfiend just based on the aesthetic shown in Ryoshu's art, my first thought was actually the Thumb; after all, Bloodfiends draw heavily from Vampire: the Masquerade, which is itself heavily inspired by the mafia, which the Thumb is based on. Their society is also very hierarchical and focused on respect towards your betters, which the Thumb is all about.
My theory about "going againts bloodstream" kinda works as diablerie (its when vampire sucks dry another vamprite in process consuming their soul/essence) I see alot of similarities with World Of Darkness vampires. But that probably just me.
I thought going against the blood stream was just a way of saying they are trying to go against the natural flow of Blood fiend hierarchy where a kindred never goes against its parent and their parents. Basically just a chain of command and family tree.
@@mylesobrien7477 I believe its actually both because Don said : "To commit the sin of filial impiety by attempting to travel against the bloodstream, to commit such abomination against your ancestor..." filial impiety is exactly that
I think that Nosferatu isn't a bloodfiend, but rather what humans think who bloodfiends are, hence why his monster form is full transformation, and not partial like any other bloodfiend
Don Quixote just adquired her Doflamingo past. The celestial demon shall rise once again. I swear, if she starts using blood strings and somehow getting getting a random sunglass, i'll distort.
My theory is that the elder bloodfiend who owns the mansion currently is Vlad Dracul, and he might be either Dons dad or foster parent since in the book Don is considered royalty and we can also see a bunch of impaled people in her EGO art
I think it was stated that Bloodfiends are a type of distortion that existed before the White Nights and Dark Days, while we know that Carmen is connected to the distortion phenomena with her outright trying to get people to distort it does make sense that distortion would be possible prior to the WN&DD as the WN&DD just made it more likely for people to distort/manifest E.G.O and Carmen's presence as the voice of the distortion phenomena is probably more like she's guiding them to distorting but it would be theoretically possible for someone to distort without Carmen guiding them.
OG Bloodfiends are not distortions, as they predate the WNDD, and seem to primarily be created by other bloodfiends. to the best of our knowledge it is not possible to distort or manifest before the WNDD, because the seed of light had not been released in the city and it's people, and it is a requirement for doing so, outside of a handful of edge cases, the only known one being kali manifesting the red mist EGO, which is likely a direct consequence of heavy light exposure from the unstable Mimicry ego.
well, the distortion phenomenon is actually a consequence of the seed of light which means that the possibility of it existing before in a much weaker manner doesn't make sense.
@@lol-uw9cz I mean it seems like distortion is just what happens when a human is pushed too far mentally, due to "the disease of the mind" however it was nearly impossible for this to happen as everyone in the City was too focused on just surviving, with the seed of light spreading throughout the City however this has changed as now the people of the City are becoming more aware and ambitious, for example Kali manifested E.G.O before the seed of light even existed and with E.G.O and distortion being closely linked this mean distorting was theoretically possible too just extremely unlikely, considering how old some bloodfiends are this makes sense
@@nathanblackburn1193 it is kinda confusing, but (first) distortion doesn't happen as an extend of the disease of the mind pressing over people, distortion is, in fact, the cure that carmen intended for it. The disease of the mind happens to be a drowning sense of hopelessness caused by the city's status quo, which made people forbid all ambitions, dreams and hopes for the sake of surviving, making all citizens be unable to become what they are intended to be, while distortion is what happens when a person gets in such an unstable psychological state that they end up getting consumed by their desires (in a desperate attend to not fall in such hopelessness mentioned before) becoming the perfect representation of what they really are. (Second) I can't deny that distortion and E.G.O. are things that precede the seed of light, but not in the means that you say, because both distortion and E.G.O. are a consequence of Lobotomy Corporation singularity, which permitted to make concepts (specifically, the consciousness) into physical matter utilizing cogito, a product derivated from "the well". Gebura was able to develop her own ego because she was entwined with the project in the first place, and her mind was awakened by Carmen's influence - The only precedent of both E.G.O. and Distortions was ONLY within the walls of lobotomy corporation main facility (that was, again, influenced by carmen and had the power of the seed of light been brewed inside its walls), such being present in the Sephiroth core suppression (like, you can't really say that the way the Sephiroth transformed wasn't even remotely close to the way that E.G.O. and Distortions happen), and mind that the reason why I said gebura and not "kali" was because kali never manifested her E.G.O. while working as a human fixer in the early days of lobotomy corporation, she developed her E.G.O. while in the reception where she was called to an environment where the seed of light was already taking into place (i mean, you really think she would have lost to garion as easily as she did if she had her E.G.O.?? it was an improbable victory anyways, but at least she would have done and resisted much more damage). (Third) The reason why so much people happens to be now ambitious is because of the seed of light's influence, as its primary reason to exist was to awaken the mind of all citizens and thus give them the necessary power to fulfill their dreams and be strong enough to defend their hopes. The seed of light was but an extend of lobotomy corps singularity, and mostly the reason why everyone can distort is because of the sabotage from angela. That is why in library of ruina all the people that are called into the library are capable of having feeling, a complexity of emotions, and distorting/manifesting E.G.O. - The library was harvesting the incomplete power from the seed of light that was now living inside the citizens of the city. Distortions and E.G.O could have not been capable of happening before the seed of light because of the inexistence of lobotomy corporation singularity. The only reasonable theory in that sense could be that the bloodfiends were born from the well, but even then, there is a lot more that we don't know as of the city right now, not everything has to be a distortions or ego, hell, we have gnomes and giants outside of the city, the forest is abundant with inexplicable horrors and the ruins are filled to the brim with monstrosities from a not-very-gentle-past, bloodfiends could easily be creatures that precede the city itself. - Also, there are already distortions that resemble bloodfiends that the actual bloodfiends don't recognize as a part of their species, which at least proves that bloodfiends are of a different nature from distortions and Dante, the literal abnormality/distortion detector, said themselves that bloodfiends don't feel neither as distortions nor as abnormalities - They said indeed that if it were necessary to catalogue bloodfiends, they could go as something close to distortions, which could be due to bloodfiends being mostly driven by their lust, wrath and *desire* for blood.
@@lol-uw9cz I mean I didn't say distortions came from the disease of the mind I said the disease of the mind prevented distortion the same as it prevented E.G.O manifestation and the seed of light just "unlocked" the potential in every person in the City to distort or gain E.G.O
I am convinced Don's personality exists thanks to Rocinante. As in, no shoes, she goes back to being 2nd Kindred. My best bet is that the end of Canto 7 has Don take full control from her Bloodfiend self, tho I am still unsure.
You what was the biggest hint for Don being a Bloodfiend? Her not having a named character Identity. Her age keeps her from having a specific character identity like everyone else.
what does her age have to do with that? identities are simply states of someone’s self that are found in other mirror worlds at the same time or in the relatively close past or future. it’d be more accurate to claim she doesn’t have any identities that are specifically based off another character because she’s already suppressing her real identity
Ive seen a lot of mentions of Nosferatu and how it might not be the first bloodfiend, and Id like to add some thoughts. Nosferatu could very well represent more than just bloodfiends, notably, it could represent certain types of infectious diseases, namely rabies. The supposed weakness to water in the fear of water would then be literal rather than mystical - vampires in legend tend to have a mystical inability to cross moving water like streams, but not an explict FEAR of water. They probably fear it as one of their few ways of genuinely getting hurt but its a particular word choice to describe it as a fear. Rabies was occasionally refered to as the fear of water in the past, as attempting to swallow fluids while infected caused sever reactions. Its a very project moon like idea to link up vampires and rabies to create the abno. An interesting thing to note is that the bloodfiends dont seem to have this hydrophobia. Since there are elders in other districts, it is implied that there likely is a bloodfiend colony in u corp, which probably rules out the water weakness. There also is a significant lack of the standard vampire aesthetic traits so far, with the only one shown to have a resemblaance being distorted Elena - not the best person to be standard to base judgements on. Sorry for going on for a while, but the general idea is that theres enough of a difference between the general bloodfiends and nosferatu for me to somewhat disagree with the original bloodfiend idea. It could be the fear of infectious and corrupting diseases with the added flavoring given by the fact that the city has likely had actual vampires for a very long time, adding the bat theming due to the uncertainty and rarity about them.
A funny thing is that Don Quixote essentially allowed Dante to have a closer look at Rocinante, in one of the flashbacks. And a personal inside-joke is that Donnie only allows Shoes Pics.
Quick correction for the Intervello thing, Intervello 4-2 is slightly correct however, the card saying Canto 6.5-2 primarily refers to the stages which is in TKT, if we are going for Warp train it would be 6.5-16 through 30, just a slight error but its fine
i dont think nosferatu is the origin of bloodfiends abnormalities are born out of humanity's conscouis so noseferatu is probably just the abno copy version of humanity's fear of bloodfiends
Do you reckon Elena is 2nd Gen or 1st Gen? 1st Gen is most probable but i believe she's 2nd since Roland and Angelina fought her in her own lair which is possibilty where she is the strongest. Outside of it, she's relatively weak imo, without her bodyguard, she is essentially a sitting duck, no defense only attacks with little to no buffs.
We really don't have a great scale of how strong each generation of Bloodfiend is compared to each other. Elena was able to reach the ranks of a Star of the City, and went what sounded like a long time before she was able to be taken down, especially since it took the cooperation between a Color and one of the strongest Offices out there in order to take her down. I'd guess 2nd, which would put her around the same level as Don Quixote, whose power is unknown to us, but them being on a similar level sounds fairly probable to me.
Honestly? Gen 4. Gen 5 at the weakest, Gen 3 at the strongest. But it's likely the bloodfiend elders are all Gen 3 instead, so she would need to be Gen 4 by proxy. The reason for this being how she's spoken of by the elders. Whereas Don, by being The 2nd Kindred(TM) would be their sire.
@@madrigal616 Does this mean Don are ultimately the strongest being comparable to a head? Or she's still relatively weak regardless of what gen you've been born as a bloodfiend?
Abnormalities are more how people of the city or a human in general feel towards certain things. Sort of how the birds are meant to represent the Head and A B and C corp. So Nosferatu is more likely a sort of manifestation of the city's view of bloodfiends. Or a interpretation of the ACTUAL first bloodfiend. It's still something good to go off of.
Man about don quixote i'm must be f@^#% blijd i mean look at her ego weapons it's pretty big i don't know how i miss that Anyway i should look at other sinner
maybe it would be fun if there is some Tsukihime mod for LoR featuring Dead Apostles such as Roa, Nrvrsnqr Chaos, Vlov Arkhangel, TATARI, etc. Talking about some bloodsucking creatures ya'know? Anyway, great lore video man❤
Moses was mentioned by Ezra (but not by name) In To Yield My Flesh To Claim Their Bones, but Moses sends LCB a message and is mentioned by name in the Risk Levels & Classifications Mini-episode.
I like to think of bloodfeinds as the vampires in hellsing ultimate. How ones will to will to live combined with the drinking of blood can turn them. Also the fact the bloodfeinds can make other lesser bloodfeinds that have to serve them like what castti did to Sasha
isn't everything in LobCorp and so is in Ruina just a being drawn from primordial well based of the human mind? you know kinda like Persona, so Persona Loki and actual Loki is actually different, the same can be said with all abnormality? for example the express train to hell that teleport around is probably from W train, nail and hammer girl, is based of N corp, and queen of hatred and black swan battle field is probably in smoke war (based of the building and the color) now that i think about it, the magical girl series is probably just the people that get F from Ayin in the war, the servant of wrath is really smell like K corp story.
I'm just asking these questions out of curiosity Is Nosferatu still alive and if so where is he? If we could I guess how old Bloodfiend are what would it be? Why do all of them talk like that or is Just Don and Cassetti doing that? And finally in power scaling wise how powerful are Bloodfiend as whole? Why I ask this, people saying they want don to fight Vergilius lol Anyhow great video dude
Don and Cassetti are the only ones to speak like that. Don stops talking like that after her bloodfiend persona takes over, so it’s not that’s she’s a bloodfiend, or old, and that’s why talks like Middle English. As for Casetti, he’s mostly insane, and has moments where he’s speaks like a modern English speaking crazy man, instead of a medieval poet. It might be he just speaks like that because he’s insane. Or maybe because he just really likes speaking that.
- Nosferatu is in The Library, residing in a book alongside all the other abnormalities there. The exact fate of the Abnormalities after the deportation of The Library is unknown, but chances are he's still booked. - Our base line is that Cassetti, a 6th generation Bloodfiend, is potentially at least 200 years old- he get's cut off, but mentions feasting off of bad blood for 200 (blanks), which is likely years. If this is true, that means that Bloodfiends are likely a ways older than that still, since Cassetti is a 6th gen Bloodfiend. - Cassetti's Observation Log mentions that he was likely in some sort of "stageplay" before boarding the train, so it's very possible his dialect comes from that. Don is a little harder to pinpoint, since both her human and Bloodfiend forms talk archaically, but in different ways. Chances are Bloodfiend Don talks like that simply due to being old, and Human Don takes that dialect and just exaggerates it to a heightened degree. - It depends on their generation, but a Second Kindred Bloodfiend is probably on the level of a Grade 1 Fixer, or slightly above it given how hard it was to take down Elena, but still under that of a Color.
@@Kylotl ngl Nosferatu still being booked is mad funny but at the same, Him being Booked still might mean Canto 7 might be about getting him back somehow but who knows because from the look of it Canto 7 looks like it's going to take place in a Carnival and I don't think Nosferatu's Castle is near anything like that
Nosferatu is an Abnormality so he can't die. He is likely booked with the other Abnormalities. He'll probably be Don's WAW EGO. Hard to say. Probably in the thousands at least. We don't know if they pre date the City though. Not all of them talk like that. Probably just the older ones. We don't know the power levels of the highest Bloodfiends. We know that it required two top tier Fixers (Roland and Angelica) to fight and kill The Blood Red Night. Angelica nearly died in the fight. We don't know what generation she was from either. However Don is likely stronger than her as there isn't anyway that Elena was a second generation Kindred. Maybe a third or fourth. Blood fiends also become stronger the more they feed. Don in Bloodfiend from was able to just melt Cassetti into nothing without really doing much. And this is from having not fed in who knows how long. Elena never showed that type of power before.
Elena and Don being both blood friends is so cool cause I love Vampires and Elena and Don are my favorites plus me and Elena sharing our name!! Awesome video :D
i think it could be possible that the Bloodfiend working for a Finger could also be the ring given how much they focus on blood(at least based on the ids we got of them) for paint. so they must have some sort of suply chain for "human based paint". meaning there could be less of a conflict with the "needing blood to exist" thing
My best guess is that the year displayed in Limbus, 984, is how many years its been since the founding of the City, but we have yet to get any proof on that
Some random notes of a few things I neglected to mention in this video:
- Bloodfiend Hunters are mentioned briefly by Faust in Murder on the WARP Express, but we know nothing about them except for their existence, so I figured I'd skip over it for now. I've got some theories of my own on them, specifically that they are either handled by Eight or Dieci Association North, but we're almost certainly gonna see more on them soon.
- Tomerry and Love Town in general from Ruina are an odd situation- In the artbook, Kim Jihoon specifies that they were created by Elena fusing the passengers blood together, but they don't really seem to match either Bloodbags or Kindreds at all. It seems like it was done by Elena and Jae-heon without expressly using either of their actual powers, but I'm not fully certain what that entails.
- Nosferatu being the first Bloodfiend is still a little leap of logic- It isn't proven yet. It's a fairly popular theory, but there's also a pretty decent chance that he is just a abnormality based on the fear of Bloodfiends. Funnily enough, if Nosferatu was in Lob Corp, we would have a definitive answer thanks to having a classification code: If Nosferatu is a O- Abnormality, then he'd have been 'original' and therefore would be likely the first Bloodfiend, but if he was a T- or F- abno, then he would've just been based on the trauma of Bloodfiends or just the fairytale itself. Since Ruina doesn't have classification codes, we don't know for sure, but treat Nosferatu being the first Bloodfiend as a solid maybe until then.
- Cassetti's odd differences to most Bloodfiends: Cassetti's Bloodbags are much more crystalline then that of the ones we've seen else ware, with both Outis and Ryoshu even commenting on this, being coagulated blood instead of the veiny style of other Bloodfiends. This could just be interpreted as being something due to his fairly heavily diluted bloodline, but could also potentially indicate that Cassetti is a Distortion-originating Bloodfiend. This seems like a leap, but Dante says that Cassetti's Bloodbags are "closer to distortions" but still not quite the same, although we don't know what Dante can sense about Bloodfiends so it may be par for the course. It's possible Cassetti was aware of his Distortion and tried to join one of these Colonies of Bloodfiends, but wasn't allowed in, and just has a lot of delusions about it.
Cassetti's observation log (which I had completely forgotten to check while researching for this video) actually says that it's more likely that he was "part of a stage play" before he was on the WARP train. Could be more evidence that he's a distortion originating Bloodfiend, but there's also a high likelihood that whatever Bloodfiend Colony he originates from is just like that? Could end up related to Canto 7, so I guess we'll see. There's a lot of uncertainty in this bullet point, but its something to consider, I suppose.
If there's anything else, feel free to mention it in the comments, and I'll append this comment as need be!
Bloodfiends might have a weakness for counting. Elena knows the exact number of people it took to make a single beverage of blood (from Roland’s and Angelica’s encounter with Elena before she joined the blue reverberation ensemble), Don knows the exact fixer magazine page’s number (that could be just Don being Don), and Cassetti makes multiple mentions of the count being important.
Old legends about Vampires said they had an obsessive need to keep track of everything. So, for example, if they found a pile of seeds, they need to count every individual seed. The obsession was so strong that, no matter what they were doing be before they found something they had not counted, they just stop and then count it.
@@carlasmith741 „who’s your favorite vampire?“
„The one from Sesame Street“
„He doesn’t count“
„Pretty sure he does…“
Also, Cassetti wasn’t apologising to Don when he was trying to convert her, but apologising to his parent for having made two bloodfiends without there consent.
He then pleaded for forgiveness from Don after it turned out she was a second gen bloodfiend, because he didn’t want to die.
At 11:43 it was stated that Vergilius was aware that Don was a Bloodfiend but Faust says that he has not been made aware of Don being a bloodfiend...
The sweeper blood theory is unlikely. In LoR, the sweepers mention that the hunting of sweepers to be an unusual. In fact, they mention it to be basically be unpresident (at least in L corp) as they are the masters of the night (when they go out), and their burrows or nests (not as in a Wing’s nest like T corp’s nest) are filled with sweepers. If the bloodfiends were hunting the sweepers and feasting on them, the mother of the sweepers would declare war on them. Especially if it had been going on for at least 2 hundred years.
The L corp elder in distortion detective never makes any mention of eating sweeper blood.
Instead, she mentions that she feeds on humans, but doesn’t kill them by taking too much, or by killing and then eating. Maybe blood tastes better if you cause more reaction or pain to the one you eat (district 23 agrees with that).
Or maybe you are correct and the elders are the only bloodfiends allowed eat human blood. Or maybe they tell other bloodfiends they can’t, but then do it themselves when the other bloodfiends aren’t looking.
The permission part that Casseti mentioned I think just means that bloodfiends need to ask elders permission to convert people into kindred's. If I'm not wrong Carmila was the one to mention it and the reasoning was that they don't want a lot of bloodfiends around since that would deminish the amount of people they can feed on and ruin the secrecy they like to maintain.
Permission to suck on it sir
If we were to go with Nosferatu as the ancestor of all bloodfiend in the setting, we might actually already have a look at what the first generation might look like. Roland.... I mean Dipsia
Even when Nosferatu's ego were to be put on him and allow Roland to use all of his power in the realization, Dipsia's form itself never have the monster side taken more than haft even if he were to shapeshift into the second phrase at lower than 50% hp. I know this is like a wild and huge leap of logic to take but I just thought it could be fun to think about
Essentially vampire but with magic.
I don't remember when Moses could have met don in DD, in which chapters was this mentioned
Moses mentioned having met with several bloodfiends in chapter 42, which would have been sometime before the first chapter chronologically; and we know that Don is aware of Moses from somewhere, so these two things likely add up together.
When was it specified that Roland is the captain of Charle's Office? 8:35 btw (and I'm assuming by black silence you mean Angelica)
He isn't officially the captain or anything, since the operator of the office is Charles, but Roland serves as the de facto leader when it comes to the actual fixer work.
Ogier refers to Roland as "the big man" in the Roland bad end, but I can't find any source for this beyond that, but its really hard to check all of ruina for something with how text heavy it is... so I may be misremembering something for all I know.
The art book outright calls him the Captain of the Office.
@@ScarletSilverIron Ah, that would do it! I thought I had read as such somewhere but had been checking Ruina itself, thank you!
Outis mentioned being briefed about Bloodfiend and fought their dregs. Implying that they may have been involved in the Smoke War.
the fucking vampire wars are real
@@larsthememelord3383who knew Outis served with the Empire of Man
It seems a bit hasty to assume LoR's Nosferatu is THE first bloodfiend. Due to the nature of abnormalities, he could simply be a manifestation of humans' ideas and fears of the original bloodfiend or bloodfiens in general. We also don't know whether he was extracted via the Bucket or captured in the wild.
But is a good theory, and since we never see him before Library of Ruina like with the abnos of Wonder Lab. Also, he can give the 'Fear of Water' passive to librarians.
@@tcherlesonravel9117 "we never see him before LoR"
neither do we see ozma, pinocchio, price of silence, silent girl, jester of nihil, or the adult who tells lies. They weren't in wonderlab either, so we have to assume they were in LobCorp HQ and we simply didn't get to see them. Most of them, including Nosferatu, were planned to appear in LobCorp, but were cut, so i don't get your point.
"he can give the fear of water passive"
and? How does this relate to anything?
@@glubolorf Since we don't see him in Lob Corp, there is a high chance that he was outside of the Library, like Servant of Wrath, Scared Cat and Road home who were on Wonder Lab and after being set loose were in the Library. Aside from Pinnochio, Silent Girl, and maybe Ozma, Nihil and the Adult who Tell Lies can be the same thing as Apocalipse Bird, Nihil being confirmed to need the four Magical Girls.
As for the The Fear of Water passive on Ruina, if he can inflict it, that could mean that he can create Bloodfiends. Its Just a theory, but a really good one.
It's hasty, but also our best guess at the moment. But in any case I highly doubt he represents "humanity's fear of Bloodfiends". If people can distort into Bloodfiends without prior knowledge on them, then I see no reason why an Abnormality would need it. Specially when looking at the lore we get in LoR paints what he represents as a thirsts that desperately needs to be filled, like Roland's desperate need for revenge. And while abnormalities tend to represent a few associated themes I truly do doubt he would represent trauma regarding Bloodfiends when Bloodfiends seem to be content being left alone and humanity at large doesnt know about them.
@@tcherlesonravel9117
"there's a high chance he was outside of the library"
there's nothing to indicate that. Abnormalities don't exist in only 1 instance, as shown in Leviathan.
"if he can inflict it, he can create bloodfiends"
ok? This still doesn't mean he's THE og bloodfiend. I've already said that he could be an abno that is based on him, which would include possessing similar abilities. And your counter to that is that... he possesses similar abilities?
The theory that Nosferatu being the first bloodfiend should not be taken as fact.
but why
@@ayinlcWell firstly, its never confirmed, we don’t even know if nosferatu ever had a mansion or if that was just its ideal environment, and secondly, neither the original nosferatu nor the abnormality appear to be able to turn people into vampires/bloodfiends
I would also like to add that the IRL Nosferatu movie seems to be an (unauthorized) adaptation of the dracula novel, COULD mean that the first bloodfiend might be Dracula, with the abnormality being created in his image
@@pappendeckel2.096that’s a good theory
@@pezzathang3456 small note, nosferatu's fight does have a status effect called "fear of water" that he inflicts on the librarians is implied to do that sort of effect
the status effect causes you to gain "blood" and also causes your librarians to be uncontrollable at a certain hp threshold
I’m currently reading Don Quixote, and just saying the Barber is actually one of two friends of Don Quixote and thus journeys with the Priest to bring him home from his madness. Not an individual seeking personal gain. Granted, this might change later as I’m 360~/950 through it.
Yeah, it's been a long time since I read Don Quixote so there's a decent chance I'm getting things mixed up.
My theory is that the Barber of PM is actually trying to facilitate Don’s dream of being a normal human, and thus why they made Rocinante, to facilitate this. Why do I assume this? Because I’m not going by the hair stylist sort of barber, I’m going for the doctor sort. You know, the kind associated with blood letting? That explains why he makes these accessories for the bloodfiends, to allow them to live as normal people more easily, by repressing desires. Thus, I assume that the Priest is trying to end the dream by killing her, likely as one of the heads of a bloodfiend hunting association.
@@strangevol5264methinks the barber might be YuRia or someone else in moses/dias' crew that made the shoes
@@sporperinooh yeah, Don recognized Ezra's name right?
When I first saw the "Barber" mentioned, I thought about the man that Don Quijote assaulted in the first book to get his iconic "helmet", since that guy was a barber. Knowing that there was another more important "Barber" made things make a bit more sense
I do like the similarities between our bloodfiends and the vampires form Vampire the Masquerade, it will probably cloud my perception of them but still.
They are VERY World of darkness coded, wouldnt bem suprised if its an intencional reference
The observation report made by Faust on Caseti constantly refers to a past encounter with a bloodfiend and their sub-entities, might be when Don struck the deal with limbus(since the 2nd knew about Dante) and also when Moses met Don
Moses met Don?
@@mylesobrien7477 we believe Moses and Ezra met bloodfiend don because she says the names are familiar but she doesn’t remember who they are.
I haven't seen people talk about this, but back during Lob corp's development days, Posttype donators would get a sneak peek on abnormality logs. Nosferatu, being a scrapped abno from lob, was one of them. Although since it's scrapped content, i would take it with a grain of salt and it shouldn't be considered canon, BUT alot of the information does line up with the new info on bloodfiends we have today. The sequence of events in the log can be summarized as follows:
1) The banquet started at Tube's (The host) mansion
2) Peridot the chef is the first to be infected
3) Everyone at the banquet begins to be infected
4) The ones who weren't infected seemed to have called specialized doctors, including Elena to study the disaease
5)Doctors slowly turn infected
Personally, i think these can be presumed as the order of kindred generation line. So with that there are a couple things that can be theorized.
1) Tube is Nosferatu
2) Nosferatu was somehow already there and was gen 0 and the real progenitor
3) Nosferatu came after the fact since abnormalities are personified peoples fears and stuff
Again, this is scrapped content, so it shouldn't be viewed as canon, but pm does have a history of reusing old ideas, so even if this isn't right beat by beat for the future it could be used as a rough baseline for now.
A translation of nosferatu's abno log:
docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vS2EuUjmMQIMzM_xh8CN-Rb9oWZoQO-Z6F8Wakt6dd0eVC5Xa0iq8j-DZnenV98B9wrFmnxzPbxVXMg/pub
Original archived pastebin link on a korean blog post:
pastebin.com/ZdnxjMij
oh wow! yeah, i've never seen this before, and it is very interesting... thanks for sharing!
Nosferatu is a monster. And they are different to abnormalities
He is like those gnomes
@@MazuiLakon Yes and no.
There is a difference. However a monster might be an abnormality.
We know that natural ones like the birds exist.
@@arqueiroXD its a vendiagram
Is there a link for all of them?
Funny how there are literal vampires in The City, but The Head is harassing some robot librarian who wishes to become human instead of dealing with the supernatural threats.
The head is so strange to me most of the time too
Bloodfiends are ultimately Human. AI aren't. Remember the Kicked out not just AI but they make it a point that non humans aren't allowed.
@@ScarletSilverIron I see
@@ScarletSilverIron ...Wait, Bloodfiends are still humans? Not nonhumans like those gnomes in Heath's Intervallo?
@@Ashireiko_Tatsumi yes they are still human.
It may be worth noting the existence of another blood-fiend like abnormality; while not humanoid, Four-hundred Roses (the abnormality that gives the gift 'Carmilla') is described to be a giant blood-sucking rose that has large bright red spots on its head, similar to the red eyes of blood fiends. The abno event itself describes the roses insatiable lust to consume blood, no matter what. To add onto this, the novel that the rose is based on (also named 'Carmilla') is a story of a female vampire of the same name that changes her identity and moves around the world feeding on specific people. Vampires in the Novel also do not suffer from the same 'normal vampire weaknesses' just as bloodfiends do.
Abnormalities/ distortions =/= monsters
@@MazuiLakon that’s why I said ‘blood-fiend LIKE’, Carmilla may very well be connected to Nosferatu but it’s not confirmed, they share similarities which is why I thought it was worth bringing up
@@MazuiLakondid u read it right
@@redmagmajeice7589 oh no they are all bloodfiends. Just their origins are different
I don't think bloodfiends have a chance of ever overthrowing humanity because they get weaker from generation to generation while humanity get stronger due to the invention of new technologies. So in the longer term they are not significant threat to humanity.
It's rather amusing in retrospect that one of Don's first EGOs was Telepole. As in, the dog with a giant wooden stake through its chest. Also, while the Pinky _might_ have a Bloodfiend just based on the aesthetic shown in Ryoshu's art, my first thought was actually the Thumb; after all, Bloodfiends draw heavily from Vampire: the Masquerade, which is itself heavily inspired by the mafia, which the Thumb is based on. Their society is also very hierarchical and focused on respect towards your betters, which the Thumb is all about.
Or the fact that her base ego is the blood of Sancho
Plus the Headless Ichthys is a symbol of Jesus Christ with Faust (A witch) and Don (A vampire) having it's EGO.
My theory about "going againts bloodstream" kinda works as diablerie (its when vampire sucks dry another vamprite in process consuming their soul/essence)
I see alot of similarities with World Of Darkness vampires. But that probably just me.
I thought going against the blood stream was just a way of saying they are trying to go against the natural flow of Blood fiend hierarchy where a kindred never goes against its parent and their parents. Basically just a chain of command and family tree.
@@mylesobrien7477 I believe its actually both because Don said : "To commit the sin of filial impiety by attempting to travel against the bloodstream, to commit such abomination against your ancestor..."
filial impiety is exactly that
I think that Nosferatu isn't a bloodfiend, but rather what humans think who bloodfiends are, hence why his monster form is full transformation, and not partial like any other bloodfiend
Don Quixote just adquired her Doflamingo past. The celestial demon shall rise once again. I swear, if she starts using blood strings and somehow getting getting a random sunglass, i'll distort.
Imagine she has a older sister
@@carlasmith741 That she killed with gunshots...
@@wonderoffour4473 and now has a tattooed doctor and his crew of pirates after her
My theory is that the elder bloodfiend who owns the mansion currently is Vlad Dracul, and he might be either Dons dad or foster parent since in the book Don is considered royalty and we can also see a bunch of impaled people in her EGO art
I love people trust abnormality stories when it's pretty much just Yesod and Binah making fun little stories and not actually truths
Apocalipse bird and plague doctor: 🤡
I think it was stated that Bloodfiends are a type of distortion that existed before the White Nights and Dark Days, while we know that Carmen is connected to the distortion phenomena with her outright trying to get people to distort it does make sense that distortion would be possible prior to the WN&DD as the WN&DD just made it more likely for people to distort/manifest E.G.O and Carmen's presence as the voice of the distortion phenomena is probably more like she's guiding them to distorting but it would be theoretically possible for someone to distort without Carmen guiding them.
OG Bloodfiends are not distortions, as they predate the WNDD, and seem to primarily be created by other bloodfiends.
to the best of our knowledge it is not possible to distort or manifest before the WNDD, because the seed of light had not been released in the city and it's people, and it is a requirement for doing so, outside of a handful of edge cases, the only known one being kali manifesting the red mist EGO, which is likely a direct consequence of heavy light exposure from the unstable Mimicry ego.
well, the distortion phenomenon is actually a consequence of the seed of light which means that the possibility of it existing before in a much weaker manner doesn't make sense.
@@lol-uw9cz I mean it seems like distortion is just what happens when a human is pushed too far mentally, due to "the disease of the mind" however it was nearly impossible for this to happen as everyone in the City was too focused on just surviving, with the seed of light spreading throughout the City however this has changed as now the people of the City are becoming more aware and ambitious, for example Kali manifested E.G.O before the seed of light even existed and with E.G.O and distortion being closely linked this mean distorting was theoretically possible too just extremely unlikely, considering how old some bloodfiends are this makes sense
@@nathanblackburn1193 it is kinda confusing, but (first) distortion doesn't happen as an extend of the disease of the mind pressing over people, distortion is, in fact, the cure that carmen intended for it. The disease of the mind happens to be a drowning sense of hopelessness caused by the city's status quo, which made people forbid all ambitions, dreams and hopes for the sake of surviving, making all citizens be unable to become what they are intended to be, while distortion is what happens when a person gets in such an unstable psychological state that they end up getting consumed by their desires (in a desperate attend to not fall in such hopelessness mentioned before) becoming the perfect representation of what they really are.
(Second) I can't deny that distortion and E.G.O. are things that precede the seed of light, but not in the means that you say, because both distortion and E.G.O. are a consequence of Lobotomy Corporation singularity, which permitted to make concepts (specifically, the consciousness) into physical matter utilizing cogito, a product derivated from "the well". Gebura was able to develop her own ego because she was entwined with the project in the first place, and her mind was awakened by Carmen's influence - The only precedent of both E.G.O. and Distortions was ONLY within the walls of lobotomy corporation main facility (that was, again, influenced by carmen and had the power of the seed of light been brewed inside its walls), such being present in the Sephiroth core suppression (like, you can't really say that the way the Sephiroth transformed wasn't even remotely close to the way that E.G.O. and Distortions happen), and mind that the reason why I said gebura and not "kali" was because kali never manifested her E.G.O. while working as a human fixer in the early days of lobotomy corporation, she developed her E.G.O. while in the reception where she was called to an environment where the seed of light was already taking into place (i mean, you really think she would have lost to garion as easily as she did if she had her E.G.O.?? it was an improbable victory anyways, but at least she would have done and resisted much more damage).
(Third) The reason why so much people happens to be now ambitious is because of the seed of light's influence, as its primary reason to exist was to awaken the mind of all citizens and thus give them the necessary power to fulfill their dreams and be strong enough to defend their hopes. The seed of light was but an extend of lobotomy corps singularity, and mostly the reason why everyone can distort is because of the sabotage from angela. That is why in library of ruina all the people that are called into the library are capable of having feeling, a complexity of emotions, and distorting/manifesting E.G.O. - The library was harvesting the incomplete power from the seed of light that was now living inside the citizens of the city.
Distortions and E.G.O could have not been capable of happening before the seed of light because of the inexistence of lobotomy corporation singularity. The only reasonable theory in that sense could be that the bloodfiends were born from the well, but even then, there is a lot more that we don't know as of the city right now, not everything has to be a distortions or ego, hell, we have gnomes and giants outside of the city, the forest is abundant with inexplicable horrors and the ruins are filled to the brim with monstrosities from a not-very-gentle-past, bloodfiends could easily be creatures that precede the city itself.
- Also, there are already distortions that resemble bloodfiends that the actual bloodfiends don't recognize as a part of their species, which at least proves that bloodfiends are of a different nature from distortions and Dante, the literal abnormality/distortion detector, said themselves that bloodfiends don't feel neither as distortions nor as abnormalities - They said indeed that if it were necessary to catalogue bloodfiends, they could go as something close to distortions, which could be due to bloodfiends being mostly driven by their lust, wrath and *desire* for blood.
@@lol-uw9cz I mean I didn't say distortions came from the disease of the mind I said the disease of the mind prevented distortion the same as it prevented E.G.O manifestation and the seed of light just "unlocked" the potential in every person in the City to distort or gain E.G.O
to quote an incredibly popular youtube channel "Actually vampires like dracula couldn't cross running water for some reason"
Hope there is a part 2 after Canto 7 is released!(if there is new info on Bloodfiends)
I am convinced Don's personality exists thanks to Rocinante. As in, no shoes, she goes back to being 2nd Kindred. My best bet is that the end of Canto 7 has Don take full control from her Bloodfiend self, tho I am still unsure.
I have a feeling it will be a tad bit sadder than that.
Nah, it wouldn't make sense cause she'd be too strong for the limbus group
I think that the bloodfiend persona gonna fucking dies or something
Maybe they split and Don has to fight Bloodfiend Don
You what was the biggest hint for Don being a Bloodfiend? Her not having a named character Identity.
Her age keeps her from having a specific character identity like everyone else.
what does her age have to do with that? identities are simply states of someone’s self that are found in other mirror worlds at the same time or in the relatively close past or future. it’d be more accurate to claim she doesn’t have any identities that are specifically based off another character because she’s already suppressing her real identity
Vampires and trains amiright?
Ive seen a lot of mentions of Nosferatu and how it might not be the first bloodfiend, and Id like to add some thoughts.
Nosferatu could very well represent more than just bloodfiends, notably, it could represent certain types of infectious diseases, namely rabies. The supposed weakness to water in the fear of water would then be literal rather than mystical - vampires in legend tend to have a mystical inability to cross moving water like streams, but not an explict FEAR of water. They probably fear it as one of their few ways of genuinely getting hurt but its a particular word choice to describe it as a fear.
Rabies was occasionally refered to as the fear of water in the past, as attempting to swallow fluids while infected caused sever reactions.
Its a very project moon like idea to link up vampires and rabies to create the abno.
An interesting thing to note is that the bloodfiends dont seem to have this hydrophobia. Since there are elders in other districts, it is implied that there likely is a bloodfiend colony in u corp, which probably rules out the water weakness.
There also is a significant lack of the standard vampire aesthetic traits so far, with the only one shown to have a resemblaance being distorted Elena - not the best person to be standard to base judgements on.
Sorry for going on for a while, but the general idea is that theres enough of a difference between the general bloodfiends and nosferatu for me to somewhat disagree with the original bloodfiend idea. It could be the fear of infectious and corrupting diseases with the added flavoring given by the fact that the city has likely had actual vampires for a very long time, adding the bat theming due to the uncertainty and rarity about them.
A funny thing is that Don Quixote essentially allowed Dante to have a closer look at Rocinante, in one of the flashbacks.
And a personal inside-joke is that Donnie only allows Shoes Pics.
Quick correction for the Intervello thing, Intervello 4-2 is slightly correct however, the card saying Canto 6.5-2 primarily refers to the stages which is in TKT, if we are going for Warp train it would be 6.5-16 through 30, just a slight error but its fine
Oh, yeah; I kinda mixed up the canto and intervallo numbers there... hopefully its still clear enough to people what I mean by it.
i dont think nosferatu is the origin of bloodfiends
abnormalities are born out of humanity's conscouis
so noseferatu is probably just the abno copy version of humanity's fear of bloodfiends
I noticed similarities between how World of Darkness does its vampires and how PM wants to do their bloodfiends (especially with being called Kindred)
Do you reckon Elena is 2nd Gen or 1st Gen? 1st Gen is most probable but i believe she's 2nd since Roland and Angelina fought her in her own lair which is possibilty where she is the strongest. Outside of it, she's relatively weak imo, without her bodyguard, she is essentially a sitting duck, no defense only attacks with little to no buffs.
Elena cannot be a first Gen according to the elder bloodfiend we met at the end of Distortion Detective.
We really don't have a great scale of how strong each generation of Bloodfiend is compared to each other. Elena was able to reach the ranks of a Star of the City, and went what sounded like a long time before she was able to be taken down, especially since it took the cooperation between a Color and one of the strongest Offices out there in order to take her down.
I'd guess 2nd, which would put her around the same level as Don Quixote, whose power is unknown to us, but them being on a similar level sounds fairly probable to me.
Honestly? Gen 4. Gen 5 at the weakest, Gen 3 at the strongest. But it's likely the bloodfiend elders are all Gen 3 instead, so she would need to be Gen 4 by proxy.
The reason for this being how she's spoken of by the elders. Whereas Don, by being The 2nd Kindred(TM) would be their sire.
@@madrigal616 Does this mean Don are ultimately the strongest being comparable to a head? Or she's still relatively weak regardless of what gen you've been born as a bloodfiend?
Abnormalities are more how people of the city or a human in general feel towards certain things. Sort of how the birds are meant to represent the Head and A B and C corp.
So Nosferatu is more likely a sort of manifestation of the city's view of bloodfiends. Or a interpretation of the ACTUAL first bloodfiend. It's still something good to go off of.
Man about don quixote i'm must be f@^#% blijd i mean look at her ego weapons it's pretty big i don't know how i miss that
Anyway i should look at other sinner
maybe it would be fun if there is some Tsukihime mod for LoR featuring Dead Apostles such as Roa, Nrvrsnqr Chaos, Vlov Arkhangel, TATARI, etc. Talking about some bloodsucking creatures ya'know? Anyway, great lore video man❤
I find it important to mention that blood fiend share alot of similarities with the vampires of world of darkness
yyour bloodfrjends?? thats so awesome! ^.^
thanks for making this I need some more context outside of my limited knowledge in limbus.
Also on the point of thralls or dregs, just the bite is not enough as we can see the DD fiend hotel owner be discrete while feeding
bloodfriends
the best part about the intervallo was watching Donquixote's feet.
eyo?
The Red Stink
Yo rq what canto or intervallo did Moses get mentioned in
Moses was mentioned by Ezra (but not by name) In To Yield My Flesh To Claim Their Bones, but Moses sends LCB a message and is mentioned by name in the Risk Levels & Classifications Mini-episode.
@@Kylotl aight ty bru
I like to think of bloodfeinds as the vampires in hellsing ultimate. How ones will to will to live combined with the drinking of blood can turn them. Also the fact the bloodfeinds can make other lesser bloodfeinds that have to serve them like what castti did to Sasha
Plz make a video explaining the 5 fingers i haven't been able to find a video form of an explanation to listen to 😭🙏
isn't everything in LobCorp and so is in Ruina just a being drawn from primordial well based of the human mind? you know kinda like Persona, so Persona Loki and actual Loki is actually different, the same can be said with all abnormality? for example the express train to hell that teleport around is probably from W train, nail and hammer girl, is based of N corp, and queen of hatred and black swan battle field is probably in smoke war (based of the building and the color)
now that i think about it, the magical girl series is probably just the people that get F from Ayin in the war, the servant of wrath is really smell like K corp story.
The three birds are also born of the Well.
The head is basically the apocalypse bird story
I'm just asking these questions out of curiosity
Is Nosferatu still alive and if so where is he?
If we could I guess how old Bloodfiend are what would it be?
Why do all of them talk like that or is Just Don and Cassetti doing that?
And finally in power scaling wise how powerful are Bloodfiend as whole? Why I ask this, people saying they want don to fight Vergilius lol
Anyhow great video dude
Don and Cassetti are the only ones to speak like that. Don stops talking like that after her bloodfiend persona takes over, so it’s not that’s she’s a bloodfiend, or old, and that’s why talks like Middle English.
As for Casetti, he’s mostly insane, and has moments where he’s speaks like a modern English speaking crazy man, instead of a medieval poet. It might be he just speaks like that because he’s insane. Or maybe because he just really likes speaking that.
@@carlasmith741But she keeps talking that way when she is on her bloodfiend persona.
- Nosferatu is in The Library, residing in a book alongside all the other abnormalities there. The exact fate of the Abnormalities after the deportation of The Library is unknown, but chances are he's still booked.
- Our base line is that Cassetti, a 6th generation Bloodfiend, is potentially at least 200 years old- he get's cut off, but mentions feasting off of bad blood for 200 (blanks), which is likely years. If this is true, that means that Bloodfiends are likely a ways older than that still, since Cassetti is a 6th gen Bloodfiend.
- Cassetti's Observation Log mentions that he was likely in some sort of "stageplay" before boarding the train, so it's very possible his dialect comes from that. Don is a little harder to pinpoint, since both her human and Bloodfiend forms talk archaically, but in different ways. Chances are Bloodfiend Don talks like that simply due to being old, and Human Don takes that dialect and just exaggerates it to a heightened degree.
- It depends on their generation, but a Second Kindred Bloodfiend is probably on the level of a Grade 1 Fixer, or slightly above it given how hard it was to take down Elena, but still under that of a Color.
@@Kylotl ngl Nosferatu still being booked is mad funny but at the same, Him being Booked still might mean Canto 7 might be about getting him back somehow but who knows because from the look of it Canto 7 looks like it's going to take place in a Carnival and I don't think Nosferatu's Castle is near anything like that
Nosferatu is an Abnormality so he can't die. He is likely booked with the other Abnormalities. He'll probably be Don's WAW EGO.
Hard to say. Probably in the thousands at least. We don't know if they pre date the City though.
Not all of them talk like that. Probably just the older ones.
We don't know the power levels of the highest Bloodfiends. We know that it required two top tier Fixers (Roland and Angelica) to fight and kill The Blood Red Night. Angelica nearly died in the fight.
We don't know what generation she was from either. However Don is likely stronger than her as there isn't anyway that Elena was a second generation Kindred. Maybe a third or fourth. Blood fiends also become stronger the more they feed.
Don in Bloodfiend from was able to just melt Cassetti into nothing without really doing much. And this is from having not fed in who knows how long. Elena never showed that type of power before.
Elena and Don being both blood friends is so cool cause I love Vampires and Elena and Don are my favorites plus me and Elena sharing our name!! Awesome video :D
BLOOD FRIENDS LMAO I MEANT BLOODFIENDS
i think it could be possible that the Bloodfiend working for a Finger could also be the ring given how much they focus on blood(at least based on the ids we got of them) for paint.
so they must have some sort of suply chain for "human based paint". meaning there could be less of a conflict with the "needing blood to exist" thing
I agree with this.
Also Cassetti made a lot of blood constructs, including his chair. They look like some kind of modern art.
That's cool there's just a game of Vampire: The Masquerade going on in The City
My real question is how fucking old is the City if Bloodfiends have been alive for so long, has the City even existed for that long?
My best guess is that the year displayed in Limbus, 984, is how many years its been since the founding of the City, but we have yet to get any proof on that
@@Kylotlor maybe it’s the number of years since the non-humans were forced out of the city. Which means the city is older than that
Bloodfiends had existed long before the city
Monsters =/= abnormalities =/= distortions
By origins
very cool
More video essay's please!
thank you mr smart man
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Dude… bloodfiends are actually just people with evil project moon rabies with the water bit
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Tbh if Nosferatu was the first born, it feels as tho it’s a very weak first born, we still don’t know how strong or different each generation are
Distorted Elena kinda bad
Would Nosferatu count as the 1st generation of bloodfiends?