Im retired from the Navy. I served my 20 honerably from 82 to 2002. Now I smoke weed daily. I hated urinalysis but I am greatful looking back that urinalysis kept me away from ever trying crack in those years.
Wrong. The Navy started using a full 12 panel drug test around 2013. I know this because I realized I could've been popping pills for 3 years when it happened.
We came back from block leave. Come Monday morning there was our captain, sitting in Company HQ with stacks of piss cups and a big smile on his face. The whole company was crammed in. No one could leave until they filled the cups. "Who's going first?" asked the captain. I raised my hand, "I got nothing to hide." Others were not so forunate.
In the Army that's called gettin' an 'Article 45', that is to say a battalion level Article 15. What they did not say is that the UCMJ allows the services to also impose a 'no positive period' on you. That's a given number of months where nothing positive is entered into your record jacket. You could max out any metric and it still only just redeems you for your offense.
I served 1974-81 U.S. Army and we were drug tested on a regular basis. Our COs would also on occasion bring in the dogs to sniff around. This was done in the States and overseas. As an over-the-road driver 1991-2018 I was subject to being drug tested at any time. I also found out as a driver you can also have your blood glucose checked if there's any suspicion of it being not within range. I saw it happen to a young driver at a company picnic. The way the guy was eating and what he was eating didn't sit too well with someone from Safety.
Every one of my Chiefs wore gold stripes. But that was a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. Crack wasn't even a thing then, and opioids weren't around either. Booze seemed to be the substance of choice though.
I've never seen this result in an OTH (mainly because that requires a board to be convened), but I have seen this result in an Administrative Separation (with a General discharge). Of course that all happens after the 45 x 45 is fulfilled.
I know this is video is scripted but trust me: I was in the Navy, I never went to mast but saw quite a few open ones (Where you entire ship/duty station watches you get punished) and this is 100% how it goes. Don't use drugs and don't drink and drive!!! and don't do other stupid crap!
I spent 24 years in the Coast Guard, and I was masted during my first enlistment for teeing off on my LPO (he absolutely deserved it, and he was a tyrant, and I regret nothing, but you know how it goes). I ended up just getting two weeks extra duty, but the mast itself is in hindsight one of the funniest moments I had as a Coastie. I shit you not, the CO forgot about my mast that was scheduled for after lunch. So he went for a nice run. He barely made it on time and couldn't stop sweating during the entire proceeding. At one point he paused things and said, "Ok, look. I know I'm sweating buckets. Just get past it". I laughed, and oh boy did I get tuned up verbally. I'm still shocked that the CO didn't put me on 45/45 for laughing at his perfuse sweating.
Never heard any stories like that, but there was an AT1 in my squadron in Brunswick, ME that was banging the shit out of an airman, she was good looking tho. Every dude in the squadron wanted a piece, first class got to it first tho, and I’m sure he throughly enjoyed it all through our deployment in Qatar. One of many “fighting tiger”🐅 VP-8 stories🤣🤣🤣
Alright, prior service Air Force Medic and saw the Hospital Commander passed out in the barracks latrine, when I was stationed in Taiwan in 1968, just got a warning. Was a Corpsman with a Marine Infantry unit when I was stationed in California, in the 70's passed out in the old style Quonset Hu,t that we used as a Sickcall, after partying at the Enlisted Club with a couple of my Marines, had to spend the night passed out sharing a mattress laid on the deck of security department under watch o Marine. Saw the Company CO and got a fine along my JuniorCorpsman, Marine I were with ended up in the Brig. Was a Navy Squadron Corpsman on the JFK in the 80's just pulled into Toulon France and after having three French beers on an empty stomach I passed in the female head of the USO, luckily I knew the head of the Shore Patrol and he let me go with warning. Cause of all three incidents BEER.
One of my best friends from the Navy (1990-1995) used to smoke weed constantly which I couldn''t even believe he did. We were U.S. Naval Aircewman on board P-3C Orion's. He made it through his first 5 year enlistment with no problem. He knew that even if you get called for the piss test, that out of those samples they only select a few. It was after he reenlisted that he finally got popped & was kicked out of the Navy. But a daily user made it through 6-7 years before getting caught so the Navy's methods then were not so "foolproof" as this officer puts it. Hopefully things are better now and if it was really zero tolerance, why didn't these two sailors in this example get kicked out? They made it clear to us that if you get caught once there is no second chance - you are kicked out. Period.
its kind of stupid that weed is illegal to begin with. you can binge drink yourself to death and its legal the entire time, yet you roll a joint and eat cheetos watching youtube and you're breaking the law
I served from 86 to 90 in the navy. I pretty much constantly smoked weed the whole time. I have heard the they only test a few samples thing to, but was assured the navy in fact tested every one of them. Anyway I always beat them. Back then if you were being tested you had to piss before the day was over giving you plenty of time to pound water, piss a few times and go do the test. They were never concerned with the color and the lab never said anything about dilute samples. The reason I know this worked and the navy was not just testing random samples is I have been sniffed out by dogs an 3 occasions coming back from liberty and beat the tests. Another time a buddy and I were out in town and we both dropped acid, I smoked a little weed that night to, we’ll dog alerted on us because the smell must have been in our clothes, I pounded water and beat the test he did not because he thought they can’t test for LSD, turns out they could. He got kicked out. Bunch of us would get high all the time, even out to sea. Good times…
I just got out a few years ago. Knew a good amount of people who were MA’s and who worked in security. They said and claimed 1 out of 5 are tested. If one of the 5 pops the whole batch gets tested. I did more drugs in the navy than out of the navy if anyone can believe that. The amount of times I was MESSED UP on the flight deck during flight ops is well in hindsight disturbing. Spice,acid, cough medicine, salvia/inhalents a were all heavily abused due to them not showing on test. All you needed was a fake penis, a friend who was straight edge, and knew someone in security to warn you of the upcoming test.
@@robertdarnell5141 I guess every enlisted person that flies nowadays is an AWO. For me I went to U.S. Naval Aircrewman Candidate School in Pensacola, then on to Aviation Ordnanceman A school in Millington, then to FRAMP/VP-30 in JAX & then once I graduated there I requested (and received) to go to a P-3C Orion squadron at NAS Brunswick. Days I wasn't flying I was performing normal AO duties which I hated so I'd pray I was on the flight schedule every day or going on DET somewhere.
lol The chief who probably got up to the exact same shenanigans when he was a young sailor walking in all flabbergasted that they over did it partying.
I am a Navy veteran STG2 and retired Army 1SG - 52E. I never lived in the barracks. Sea duty my entire enlistment. It does seem like trouble when young sailors congregate as are soldiers. Never served with females either, until the Army and as an NCO. You do have to love a “command sweep/operation golden flow”.
Throughout any of my career, at any time, for any task the mjlitary assigns me, I unquestionably, unhesitantly have followed orders. But if my protests were to be worth anything to a higher up, I'd ask, with all the humility and intensity that I could. To NOT be included, OR asked to ordered to participate in these fuckin videos.
Drugs. 45 days restriction, 45 days extra duty, forfeiture of one half pay for 2 months, and reduction in rate to the next inferior pay grade. Brutal! These two young seamen deserve it. Drugs (and other illegal stuff) NOT tolerated in the workplace, much less in the military. 10:12 Sniff! 10:58 The lady looks like she's about to burst into tears.
However this mast does not take into consideration the addictiveness of drugs and the difficulty of the offenders re-offending. In our country, and in civilian life, this is called a domestic inquiry. This is a necessary step after the alleged offender has been served a show cause letter. For this type of offense involving the illegal consumption of drugs, the only sentence that can be meted out is dismissal. Next a police report will be made and the police will arrest them normally at their house. Offenders can and will be arrested and placed before a judge who will then commit the offender to a drug rehabilitation centre for 18 months. Hopefully this will wean them out from this habit. Good inmates with good results and family support can be released in 12 months. Drug users are not criminals, but treated as a sick person who may endanger themselves or others. Hence the need to commit them to a detox facility.
@@envitech02 Mistakes of every kind could be prevented by not believing everything you hear. Then, you pass it along as factual. This is unfortunate. The military can dispose of offenses without notifying civilian authorities. Then, somebody testing positive is not Criminal Possession of a Controlled Substance. There is no crime for testing positive. There would be no arrest, even if the police were nice and made believe they cared. There are very few rehab centers which don't charge for services. There's a wait list for months to get one. Most centers want to bill your insurance carrier. I'm a city cop. We're directed not to make "unnecessary arrests" during times of peak activity. Low-level drug possession and sales are unnecessary.
Promotion for these two will be close to impossible. Restrictions, extra duty, demotion, and a fine are a far harsher punishment than an administrative separation. Every new commanding officer is going to know what they did and if there's an allegation of drug use in the barracks. Their doors will be the first doors that the navy police will be knocking on. Because they have form, so if you don't want your room trashed by naval investigators at 3 am looking for drugs, LEAVE THE DRUGS ALONE!!!
I wonder if it would have been easier to give the E-2 an administrative separation right then and there. Only been in a little over a year and save certain ratings, E1-E3s are a dime a dozen. Financially speaking, better to wait for the next cycle of A-School graduates for whatever job she had and replace her with a new sailor. She's young enough to change course in her life and find something else in civilian life not so stringent, learn her lesson and move on or the less stringent employer/environment turns out to be more tolerant and a more congenial culture in regards to that kind of partying and is a much better fit personality-wise. She hasn't been in the Navy long enough to need to explain a gap in employment to most potential civilian employers in the event she had been administratively separated right off the bat. Except for certain jobs like first responder/public safety, working with children or care of children, many medical professional jobs, jobs with moral clauses like religious private schools, religious organizations and such, you don't have to disclose the fact you even enlisted to most employers or really anyone since Mast/Article 15 is not a criminal proceeding in the same vein a Court-Martial or civilian trial is. There is no prosecution since there is no trial and thus, no conviction in that sense. Except for the employers listed, no one is going to know unless you tell them. Her getting administratively separated might very well be the best thing for all involved. Kicked out wakes her up to the real world. She learns her lesson and realizes things could've been a lot worse. Decides not to pursue the jobs i listed, goes to community college, vocational training for another field, finds a more lenient and congenial employer that she is a much better fit for. Sticks with that employer and everyone wins. Navy gets a sailor they perceive as better. Discharged sailor gets wake-up call, turns it around and/or finds a more compatible/congenial employer and is successful there and civilian life. Some simply are not compatible with all the aspects of the military lifestyle. There is nothing wrong with that, there is no shame in that, and that does not make you any less a person or determines if you are a good or bad person. It's not for everybody.
"Compatinle with the aspects of military lifestyle " Ye... like your commander in cheifs son smoking dat crack!!! Hahaha, or protecting the opium fields of the Company using youre moralist ass in a shock and awe bombardment of civilians while your mates in the green beretts or recon marines are spearheading the fucking blietzkrieg and dies on the field. With YOUR sailor ass in the far off distance giving hellish sea artillery. Thats what YOU, your commander in cheif does, son and military industrial complex and "company" offing ur own president and brainwashes people like YOU to belive you are better than a weedsmoker. Wow Mk ultra is effective with those new nanobot chemtrails holy shit haha. Tool. Literally. Simple as. Simple man
When I was in the Air Force she would have gotten busted to E1 and a separation. On top of that it took about 6 months for them to slow walk the paperwork where you would do shit work.
@@perezj8812 I wouldn't sweat it too much. I'm former Navy, myself. One of the best memories I have was once (while I was assigned to a ship), the skipper had the entire ship's company muster in the well deck to witness a mass Captain's Mast. 7 guys kicked out, in 1 hour. 4 got nailed for weed, 2 got nailed for coke, and 1 got it for valium.
@@cecilrichardson2494 Holy Shit haha a buddy of mine was stationed in Norfolk and that fucker went to 3 Captain's Masts. Het got like 100+ days of restriction and thrown in the brig.
It's NJP if you want an attorney present take a Court Marshall and you're double fucked with a OTH or a BCD. The problem started with a party in a BEQ and having a AT1 and a SA in the same room. In the real world that the SA would have busted down in tears and blamed everything on the AT1 and then accusing the AT1 of sexual assault and the CMC of ignoring the situation and letting it get out of hand.
I worked with some of these people, definitely the dude on the bed. FRCSE 2011-13. Should have been until 2014, but I made my own mistakes and got processed out. Ehem.
That's the part that sucks about the military, not only do you get a butt chewing and made to feel guilty about what you did but also get punished by pay withheld,restriction and busted. In the civilian world if i get stopped by a cop for speeding, ether give me a ticket or a butt chewing.....I'm not taking both.
I remember 2020... 5 of Master at arm got caught for using drugs at party. I thought it was a regular party before i heard that.. I never knew that they were doing drugs, so I was glad that I did not join their party that time. Well so shame.. Captain (CO) is a cool person but no mercy and very scary when whoever face him or her at mast.
I though the title was about "spicing your navy career". Fyi, spice is still undetectable through tests in the navy. Trust me, i have a done it a *LOT* of times even in the ship while at work.
Are you retarded or just taking lessons. I don't know what you did on the ship, but that's a safety sensitive place. Why take the risk? Not caring about yourself is your problem, but putting others at risk is shitbag behavior.
Well at least in the Army they don't single you out for a piss test. If they suspect one soldier the entire unit has to piss. Lets just say we had to piss several times a week while the command was suspecting a guy of partaking in substances. Punishment is Article 15, loss of rank and then chaptered out. Everyone I knew that pissed hot was kicked out within 6 months.
I got kicked out for my own stupidity and my friends damn near fought me to sleep at there house or get a taxi (2011) I lived 5 miles away and got pulled 1/2 miles from my friends house. Damn light above my plate was out. Got a dui in portsmouth, VA with a open bottle and a gun. Cop was cool as hell but I got kicked out and still regret it. I'd retire in 2 years.
I thought drugs resulted in separation. The guilty party given a choice: Option 1: maximum Article 15 punishment, submission to the CO a recommendation for OTH discharge. Option 2: Refuse Article 15 and take Discharge in lieu of Court Martial Option 3: Court-Martial, Confinement, Loss of rank, loss of pay and Bad Conduct/Dishonorable Discharge
It probably still did result in discharge if it works like in the Air Force. After failing the piss test you would get the article 15 like they did, and lose the maximum amount of rank they could take, as well as the max pay and then get restriction and assume shit duties. Then they would kick you out, which took about 4 - 6 months, during that time you would be disgraced by no longer being part of your old unit, walking around with no stripes and doing shit work. You were essentially walking dead from the day you got the article 15 until you got the boot.
Why on Earth did you stop there? No walk of shame? No aftermath, like how quickly they need to relieve themselves of their rank insignia? I imagine the experience must be mighty embarrassing for the accused and their chain of command, and send reverberations of fear down the spines of all in attendance. I mean, here I am just watching a video, and I almost feel like I did something wrong!! And, just so I know, what constitutes Restriction and Extra Duty in their respective punishments?
confine to the ship when in portevery one elsein the duty section get go on liberty extra duty mean doing extra work when your section is on liberty you are busting your ass because it is all the dirty jobs that can wait are save
I was an Army Aviator for 21 years, and not only were we subject to random tests, but everyone gets test if the aircraft is damaged in any way, or a member of the crew is injured. Needless to say I never even drank, much less do anything this stupid. Anyone caught positive, were out or possibly to the infantry. Yuck!
The real answer: the Officer in Charge (OIC) is a Commander (O5). What he gave was max punishment that an O5 OIC can give. However, what isn't stated is the admin separation paperwork is already underway by legal and is a separate process from NJP/Mast. BTW, I (PO1 in the vid) just got selected for Chief THIS cycle!
At NJP they can only dock you 1 stripe/chevron max. So people who choose to go to Special Court Martial can get whatever the judge/panel wants to hand down.
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By far the best representation of a mast at least when it comes to procedures
Never use drugs especially if you’re in the military
@@Joemight13 I smoked weed in the marines - you just have to be smarter than your safety officer 😉 (SUCK IT SSGT DEJESUS!!!)
This is why I stayed to myself, when I was in.
I always selected my friends carefully!
Smart
I did the same
Im retired from the Navy. I served my 20 honerably from 82 to 2002. Now I smoke weed daily. I hated urinalysis but I am greatful looking back that urinalysis kept me away from ever trying crack in those years.
I can confirm I passed every piss test by simply over dosing on niacin and drinking a ton of water.
or you could just not drug
Just don't do drugs.
Ok he's the world's oldest PO2. But the magnifying glass was classic.
From an HM: The urinalysis the Navy uses is equivalent to a Walmart drugtest. Navy likes cheap
Seen too many 112 Alphas. Bummer. Some that I seriously doubt the validity of. I’m glad I never got hemmed up
The Urinalysis is supposed to be sent to a lab run by civilians. I don’t know how they used to do it but they do it now.
Wrong. The Navy started using a full 12 panel drug test around 2013. I know this because I realized I could've been popping pills for 3 years when it happened.
The entire US military is only interested the lowest bidder
At least the captains don’t yell at you
We came back from block leave. Come Monday morning there was our captain, sitting in Company HQ with stacks of piss cups and a big smile on his face. The whole company was crammed in. No one could leave until they filled the cups. "Who's going first?" asked the captain.
I raised my hand, "I got nothing to hide."
Others were not so forunate.
"Hey, Ben and Jerry, get over here" 🤣
No one’s that happy in the Navy lol
In the Army that's called gettin' an 'Article 45', that is to say a battalion level Article 15.
What they did not say is that the UCMJ allows the services to also impose a 'no positive period' on you. That's a given number of months where nothing positive is entered into your record jacket. You could max out any metric and it still only just redeems you for your offense.
why does the ship look like a kindergarten ?
A magnifying glass? Way to add insult to injury! 😂
I served 1974-81 U.S. Army and we were drug tested on a regular basis. Our COs would also on occasion bring in the dogs to sniff around. This was done in the States and overseas.
As an over-the-road driver 1991-2018 I was subject to being drug tested at any time. I also found out as a driver you can also have your blood glucose checked if there's any suspicion of it being not within range. I saw it happen to a young driver at a company picnic. The way the guy was eating and what he was eating didn't sit too well with someone from Safety.
Camp Lejeune old Navy corpsman barracks is probably a forest by now,since the 80's.😂
I have NEVER met a single Chief that didn't go to Mast.
Damm
And they still make senior chief
I did, an RP chief
Every one of my Chiefs wore gold stripes. But that was a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. Crack wasn't even a thing then, and opioids weren't around either. Booze seemed to be the substance of choice though.
Doesn't mean they went mast before. Or never know truth.
"More cushion for the pushing." Douglas Edward Brothers
I've never seen this result in an OTH (mainly because that requires a board to be convened), but I have seen this result in an Administrative Separation (with a General discharge). Of course that all happens after the 45 x 45 is fulfilled.
I know this is video is scripted but trust me: I was in the Navy, I never went to mast but saw quite a few open ones (Where you entire ship/duty station watches you get punished) and this is 100% how it goes. Don't use drugs and don't drink and drive!!! and don't do other stupid crap!
I spent 24 years in the Coast Guard, and I was masted during my first enlistment for teeing off on my LPO (he absolutely deserved it, and he was a tyrant, and I regret nothing, but you know how it goes). I ended up just getting two weeks extra duty, but the mast itself is in hindsight one of the funniest moments I had as a Coastie. I shit you not, the CO forgot about my mast that was scheduled for after lunch. So he went for a nice run. He barely made it on time and couldn't stop sweating during the entire proceeding. At one point he paused things and said, "Ok, look. I know I'm sweating buckets. Just get past it". I laughed, and oh boy did I get tuned up verbally. I'm still shocked that the CO didn't put me on 45/45 for laughing at his perfuse sweating.
Exactly! Ex-Navy here too.
Someone get this CO an acting career
a petty officer class doing drugs with his juniors is unbelievable
Never heard any stories like that, but there was an AT1 in my squadron in Brunswick, ME that was banging the shit out of an airman, she was good looking tho. Every dude in the squadron wanted a piece, first class got to it first tho, and I’m sure he throughly enjoyed it all through our deployment in Qatar. One of many “fighting tiger”🐅 VP-8 stories🤣🤣🤣
Alright, prior service Air Force Medic and saw the Hospital Commander passed out in the barracks latrine, when I was stationed in Taiwan in 1968, just got a warning.
Was a Corpsman with a Marine Infantry unit when I was stationed in California, in the 70's passed out in the old style Quonset Hu,t that we used as a Sickcall, after partying at the Enlisted Club with a couple of my Marines, had to spend the night passed out sharing a mattress laid on the deck of security department under watch o Marine. Saw the Company CO and got a fine along my JuniorCorpsman, Marine I were with ended up in the Brig.
Was a Navy Squadron Corpsman on the JFK in the 80's just pulled into Toulon France and after having three French beers on an empty stomach I passed in the female head of the USO, luckily I knew the head of the Shore Patrol
and he let me go with warning.
Cause of all three incidents BEER.
When I was in, this was an OTH, sometimes the Big Chicken Dinner if there was other stuff involved (like if you were driving too).
Why the hell am i watching this
we all kinda miss the bullshit lets be honest 🤣🤣
One of my best friends from the Navy (1990-1995) used to smoke weed constantly which I couldn''t even believe he did. We were U.S. Naval Aircewman on board P-3C Orion's. He made it through his first 5 year enlistment with no problem. He knew that even if you get called for the piss test, that out of those samples they only select a few. It was after he reenlisted that he finally got popped & was kicked out of the Navy. But a daily user made it through 6-7 years before getting caught so the Navy's methods then were not so "foolproof" as this officer puts it. Hopefully things are better now and if it was really zero tolerance, why didn't these two sailors in this example get kicked out? They made it clear to us that if you get caught once there is no second chance - you are kicked out. Period.
its kind of stupid that weed is illegal to begin with. you can binge drink yourself to death and its legal the entire time, yet you roll a joint and eat cheetos watching youtube and you're breaking the law
I served from 86 to 90 in the navy. I pretty much constantly smoked weed the whole time. I have heard the they only test a few samples thing to, but was assured the navy in fact tested every one of them. Anyway I always beat them. Back then if you were being tested you had to piss before the day was over giving you plenty of time to pound water, piss a few times and go do the test. They were never concerned with the color and the lab never said anything about dilute samples. The reason I know this worked and the navy was not just testing random samples is I have been sniffed out by dogs an 3 occasions coming back from liberty and beat the tests. Another time a buddy and I were out in town and we both dropped acid, I smoked a little weed that night to, we’ll dog alerted on us because the smell must have been in our clothes, I pounded water and beat the test he did not because he thought they can’t test for LSD, turns out they could. He got kicked out. Bunch of us would get high all the time, even out to sea. Good times…
There the AWO's being goofy again lol
I just got out a few years ago. Knew a good amount of people who were MA’s and who worked in security. They said and claimed 1 out of 5 are tested. If one of the 5 pops the whole batch gets tested. I did more drugs in the navy than out of the navy if anyone can believe that. The amount of times I was MESSED UP on the flight deck during flight ops is well in hindsight disturbing. Spice,acid, cough medicine, salvia/inhalents a were all heavily abused due to them not showing on test. All you needed was a fake penis, a friend who was straight edge, and knew someone in security to warn you of the upcoming test.
@@robertdarnell5141 I guess every enlisted person that flies nowadays is an AWO. For me I went to U.S. Naval Aircrewman Candidate School in Pensacola, then on to Aviation Ordnanceman A school in Millington, then to FRAMP/VP-30 in JAX & then once I graduated there I requested (and received) to go to a P-3C Orion squadron at NAS Brunswick. Days I wasn't flying I was performing normal AO duties which I hated so I'd pray I was on the flight schedule every day or going on DET somewhere.
45 days restriction and ED 😭😂 barley a punishment
No OTH either? Damn they got away with this.
45/45 plus 1 chevron taken away.
Half pay for two months and bust down.
Reduction in rate is more nightmare.
Her uniform is unsat for being a chief
lol The chief who probably got up to the exact same shenanigans when he was a young sailor walking in all flabbergasted that they over did it partying.
Obviously scripted, but IRL I never knew a Chief who would have let the noisy party continue past lights out let alone until sunrise.
The old navy use to drink thunder bird or night train wine
I am a Navy veteran STG2 and retired Army 1SG - 52E. I never lived in the barracks. Sea duty my entire enlistment. It does seem like trouble when young sailors congregate as are soldiers. Never served with females either, until the Army and as an NCO. You do have to love a “command sweep/operation golden flow”.
Never forget that half pay times two lmao
What’s sad is the very high % of combat veterans who end up in the brig or have their lives destroyed.
In the Army no one goes to jail for drugs, you just get chaptered out.
After the coke bust in 2019 my company was drug tested very frequently. NCIS also liked to hang around our barracks.
Throughout any of my career, at any time, for any task the mjlitary assigns me, I unquestionably, unhesitantly have followed orders. But if my protests were to be worth anything to a higher up, I'd ask, with all the humility and intensity that I could. To NOT be included, OR asked to ordered to participate in these fuckin videos.
AT1 Crumpler was my instructor in A school back in 2014
How was he as a person and a sailor?
He was everyone's favorite of the instructors from what I remember. Great teacher and had a good sense of humor.@@jeremyperry5548
Their Chain of Command only adds to your farce.
Common, they don’t really look over your shoulder in the Head like that during the Urine test do they?
Yes
When I was in, "zero tolerance" meant being out-processed from the navy and leaving with a dishonorable discharge. What happened?
Drugs. 45 days restriction, 45 days extra duty, forfeiture of one half pay for 2 months, and reduction in rate to the next inferior pay grade. Brutal! These two young seamen deserve it. Drugs (and other illegal stuff) NOT tolerated in the workplace, much less in the military. 10:12 Sniff! 10:58 The lady looks like she's about to burst into tears.
However this mast does not take into consideration the addictiveness of drugs and the difficulty of the offenders re-offending. In our country, and in civilian life, this is called a domestic inquiry. This is a necessary step after the alleged offender has been served a show cause letter. For this type of offense involving the illegal consumption of drugs, the only sentence that can be meted out is dismissal. Next a police report will be made and the police will arrest them normally at their house. Offenders can and will be arrested and placed before a judge who will then commit the offender to a drug rehabilitation centre for 18 months. Hopefully this will wean them out from this habit. Good inmates with good results and family support can be released in 12 months. Drug users are not criminals, but treated as a sick person who may endanger themselves or others. Hence the need to commit them to a detox facility.
@@envitech02 Mistakes of every kind could be prevented by not believing everything you hear. Then, you pass it along as factual. This is unfortunate. The military can dispose of offenses without notifying civilian authorities. Then, somebody testing positive is not Criminal Possession of a Controlled Substance. There is no crime for testing positive. There would be no arrest, even if the police were nice and made believe they cared. There are very few rehab centers which don't charge for services. There's a wait list for months to get one. Most centers want to bill your insurance carrier. I'm a city cop. We're directed not to make "unnecessary arrests" during times of peak activity. Low-level drug possession and sales are unnecessary.
Promotion for these two will be close to impossible. Restrictions, extra duty, demotion, and a fine are a far harsher punishment than an administrative separation. Every new commanding officer is going to know what they did and if there's an allegation of drug use in the barracks. Their doors will be the first doors that the navy police will be knocking on. Because they have form, so if you don't want your room trashed by naval investigators at 3 am looking for drugs, LEAVE THE DRUGS ALONE!!!
They got off light nowadays they be kicking people out with no second chances
No doubt, there is no hesitation give someone an other than honorable discharge for drug usage.
This is not realistic punishment because I seen couple guys got kicked out with other than honorable discharge.
Have them walk the plank!
Ready clean and a gallon of water
I was prescribed Percocet for an injury, ran out and took Vicodin for the pain my dad had at home. Separated with an OTH....
Buddy, the test can’t tell the difference between those two. They are both opiate derivatives. That’s all they can see.
I was qualified to assist in the testing of drugs and alcohol. Zero tolerance is needed to prevent accidents that may end in a death
I’m still in the navy I went through the captains mast once
I wonder if it would have been easier to give the E-2 an administrative separation right then and there. Only been in a little over a year and save certain ratings, E1-E3s are a dime a dozen. Financially speaking, better to wait for the next cycle of A-School graduates for whatever job she had and replace her with a new sailor.
She's young enough to change course in her life and find something else in civilian life not so stringent, learn her lesson and move on or the less stringent employer/environment turns out to be more tolerant and a more congenial culture in regards to that kind of partying and is a much better fit personality-wise.
She hasn't been in the Navy long enough to need to explain a gap in employment to most potential civilian employers in the event she had been administratively separated right off the bat.
Except for certain jobs like first responder/public safety, working with children or care of children, many medical professional jobs, jobs with moral clauses like religious private schools, religious organizations and such, you don't have to disclose the fact you even enlisted to most employers or really anyone since Mast/Article 15 is not a criminal proceeding in the same vein a Court-Martial or civilian trial is. There is no prosecution since there is no trial and thus, no conviction in that sense. Except for the employers listed, no one is going to know unless you tell them.
Her getting administratively separated might very well be the best thing for all involved.
Kicked out wakes her up to the real world. She learns her lesson and realizes things could've been a lot worse. Decides not to pursue the jobs i listed, goes to community college, vocational training for another field, finds a more lenient and congenial employer that she is a much better fit for. Sticks with that employer and everyone wins.
Navy gets a sailor they perceive as better.
Discharged sailor gets wake-up call, turns it around and/or finds a more compatible/congenial employer and is successful there and civilian life.
Some simply are not compatible with all the aspects of the military lifestyle. There is nothing wrong with that, there is no shame in that, and that does not make you any less a person or determines if you are a good or bad person. It's not for everybody.
Theyre ACTING HOLY SHIT
"Compatinle with the aspects of military lifestyle "
Ye... like your commander in cheifs son smoking dat crack!!! Hahaha, or protecting the opium fields of the Company using youre moralist ass in a shock and awe bombardment of civilians while your mates in the green beretts or recon marines are spearheading the fucking blietzkrieg and dies on the field. With YOUR sailor ass in the far off distance giving hellish sea artillery. Thats what YOU, your commander in cheif does, son and military industrial complex and "company" offing ur own president and brainwashes people like YOU to belive you are better than a weedsmoker. Wow
Mk ultra is effective with those new nanobot chemtrails holy shit haha. Tool. Literally. Simple as. Simple man
So what im saying is ur 4 star generals are smoking heroin while you die in war and get punished for smoking what they themself smuggle...
You monge
When I was in the Air Force she would have gotten busted to E1 and a separation. On top of that it took about 6 months for them to slow walk the paperwork where you would do shit work.
Zero tolerance means they boot you out. Not 45 days restriction.
They can do that too and then kick you out
they should just bring back flogging
My internal radar directed me what not to do. I tried pot once to be accepted. That would've been a real stupid reason to have been kicked out.
I thought you got kicked out for using drugs. I'm pretty sure that's what they did when I was in.
Yes you get kicked out. I got 2 good buddies that got popped because of UA and now they're sep'ed haha.
@@perezj8812 Now do you mean UA as in Article 86 UCMJ, or urinalysis?
@@cecilrichardson2494 Piss test. My bad I should of been more specific.
@@perezj8812 I wouldn't sweat it too much. I'm former Navy, myself. One of the best memories I have was once (while I was assigned to a ship), the skipper had the entire ship's company muster in the well deck to witness a mass Captain's Mast. 7 guys kicked out, in 1 hour. 4 got nailed for weed, 2 got nailed for coke, and 1 got it for valium.
@@cecilrichardson2494 Holy Shit haha a buddy of mine was stationed in Norfolk and that fucker went to 3 Captain's Masts. Het got like 100+ days of restriction and thrown in the brig.
Back in the early 90s, we had an MM1 with 3 months to retire..until he got popped. Reduction in rate to E1, separated without pension.
Thats a pretty cool super hero cape
What are the rules and regulations?
so "zero-tolerance" really just means office hours? 🤔🤣
'Partys at Doug's house." Linda Brothers Fitts Mahlert
Sears 1213
Court marshall loss of rank and pay even get kicked out
P01 what do you have to say? Lawyer, Lawyer, Lawyer sir...😂
Exactly. NEVER make a statement. ALWAYS invoke your rights!
It's NJP if you want an attorney present take a Court Marshall and you're double fucked with a OTH or a BCD. The problem started with a party in a BEQ and having a AT1 and a SA in the same room. In the real world that the SA would have busted down in tears and blamed everything on the AT1 and then accusing the AT1 of sexual assault and the CMC of ignoring the situation and letting it get out of hand.
I worked with some of these people, definitely the dude on the bed. FRCSE 2011-13. Should have been until 2014, but I made my own mistakes and got processed out. Ehem.
No admin sep?
Nick Price it only depends on the command.
@@mymagicisntgivingup5908 in the 90s it was automatic... that's what "zero tolerance" meant 🤣
IF WEED IS ACTIVE IN YOUR SYSTEM JUST SMOKED UNDER INFLUENCE LIKE ALCOHOL ACTIVE YOUR BUSTED JUST SMOKE ON WEEKENDS IF YOUR OFF
That's the part that sucks about the military, not only do you get a butt chewing and made to feel guilty about what you did but also get punished by pay withheld,restriction and busted.
In the civilian world if i get stopped by a cop for speeding, ether give me a ticket or a butt chewing.....I'm not taking both.
I remember 2020... 5 of Master at arm got caught for using drugs at party. I thought it was a regular party before i heard that.. I never knew that they were doing drugs, so I was glad that I did not join their party that time. Well so shame.. Captain (CO) is a cool person but no mercy and very scary when whoever face him or her at mast.
I though the title was about "spicing your navy career". Fyi, spice is still undetectable through tests in the navy. Trust me, i have a done it a *LOT* of times even in the ship while at work.
Are you retarded or just taking lessons. I don't know what you did on the ship, but that's a safety sensitive place. Why take the risk? Not caring about yourself is your problem, but putting others at risk is shitbag behavior.
Well at least in the Army they don't single you out for a piss test. If they suspect one soldier the entire unit has to piss. Lets just say we had to piss several times a week while the command was suspecting a guy of partaking in substances. Punishment is Article 15, loss of rank and then chaptered out. Everyone I knew that pissed hot was kicked out within 6 months.
Best Captain's Mast yet.
I got kicked out for my own stupidity and my friends damn near fought me to sleep at there house or get a taxi (2011) I lived 5 miles away and got pulled 1/2 miles from my friends house. Damn light above my plate was out. Got a dui in portsmouth, VA with a open bottle and a gun. Cop was cool as hell but I got kicked out and still regret it. I'd retire in 2 years.
I thought drugs resulted in separation. The guilty party given a choice: Option 1: maximum Article 15 punishment, submission to the CO a recommendation for OTH discharge.
Option 2: Refuse Article 15 and take Discharge in lieu of Court Martial
Option 3: Court-Martial, Confinement, Loss of rank, loss of pay and Bad Conduct/Dishonorable Discharge
chrismc410 It only depends on the sever situation and Command on how they state it.
Yes. Something like this would put you out of the Navy
Zeke Igtos yep, because in the military are disciple not let loose they go wild on freedom.
It probably still did result in discharge if it works like in the Air Force. After failing the piss test you would get the article 15 like they did, and lose the maximum amount of rank they could take, as well as the max pay and then get restriction and assume shit duties.
Then they would kick you out, which took about 4 - 6 months, during that time you would be disgraced by no longer being part of your old unit, walking around with no stripes and doing shit work. You were essentially walking dead from the day you got the article 15 until you got the boot.
if you're innocent, take a chance. If not, don't do it as it'll ruin you.
Shouldve waited to do drugs unti after getting anchors. He wouldve been fine
DD214
timothy brechts hash
catherine richardsons gift cash
scotts potatoes mash
Huh?
Why on Earth did you stop there? No walk of shame? No aftermath, like how quickly they need to relieve themselves of their rank insignia? I imagine the experience must be mighty embarrassing for the accused and their chain of command, and send reverberations of fear down the spines of all in attendance. I mean, here I am just watching a video, and I almost feel like I did something wrong!!
And, just so I know, what constitutes Restriction and Extra Duty in their respective punishments?
this is a skit not real
confine to the ship when in portevery one elsein the duty section get go on liberty
extra duty mean doing extra work when your section is on liberty you are busting your ass because it is all the dirty jobs that can wait are save
It's nuts to use drugs in the military
@dondidykes5306 bless your innocent, slow, little heart 🤣
Dam she's little
She's a Hobbit.
What about the fraternizing party lmaooo
I was an Army Aviator for 21 years, and not only were we subject to random tests, but everyone gets test if the aircraft is damaged in any way, or a member of the crew is injured. Needless to say I never even drank, much less do anything this stupid. Anyone caught positive, were out or possibly to the infantry. Yuck!
Barbara Malloy RIP
Why is the E2 wearing crows on her cover?
It was the bucket cover insignia the female enlisted worn at the time until they switched to the Dixie cup. It said USN above the crow.
Top Notch acting.
When I got out it would have been 45/45, 1/2x2, reduction in rate AAAAND separation from the navy under other than honorable conditions.
Dorothy Creelman's dot...
How did they not get kicked out? They got a slap on the wrist
The real answer: the Officer in Charge (OIC) is a Commander (O5). What he gave was max punishment that an O5 OIC can give. However, what isn't stated is the admin separation paperwork is already underway by legal and is a separate process from NJP/Mast.
BTW, I (PO1 in the vid) just got selected for Chief THIS cycle!
There no excuses
Zero Tolerance, should be dishonorable discharge nowadays.
"Doug"
The spice melange
I hate akcohol but love my SATIVA
But alcohol is okay.
Laurie Sherman
Hey PO1, good lucking making Chief.
my LPO went to Mast for having prostitutes over on deployment and he still made Chief the following cycle before it got into his record.
@@miguelbermudez5426 Nice. Hopefully he got to keep it.
At NJP they can only dock you 1 stripe/chevron max. So people who choose to go to Special Court Martial can get whatever the judge/panel wants to hand down.
8:02 bullshit, ask me how I know lol.
johnathons last breath
scott richardsons crystal meth
know tree work for seth
Keep your circle of friends small, watch who you associate with because not everyone in the United States armed forces are there to serve the citizens of the United States
Shit, they’d a been naval history in the 50s and 60s.
jodys heroine
bird shirt table kaitlins win
solopertos kin
Wtf are you talking about
Cristo's
What a loss.
What happen when weed is legal in all 50 states?? That day is coming soon..
Still prohibited in the military.
Man, everybody in the video sounds normal but that Chief at mast sounds so scripted
AT1 & PSSA sound strikingly realistic at that Captain's Mast, having witnessed a few myself.
The DRB would have been pretty fun to watch.
Agreed.
Lol
Nothing but contempt for the likes of them.
DIXIE
Cute WAVE.