NONE of them ever 'remember' doing the crimes they do, even when its fully planned out ahead of time. Its because if they explain what really happened they would look like an absolute monster, because they ARE!
You can have psychotic attacks and be ashamed for what you did. The process in your mind is blacking out the memories due to guilt. That's called dissociation. She can also be both, crazy and conniving.
I can’t imagine what the children went through. The terror of watching your mom do that to your siblings and then come for you. This is beyond sick, beyond evil and it’s so hard to even comprehend.
These videos are SO well made! - No distracting music - No dramatization - Very well edited - minimal voiceover/captions that precisely highlight important clues - explains crucial info i.e. interrogation techniques or background info Thank you
@@seymourdemonica9264 Totally agree. They lean heavily into the "True crime voice" where everything has to be delivered with a grizzled voice. Also everything is a "fateful night/day". They do good work but could do way less on the dramatization, the cases are powerful enough without trying to hit us with the oohs and ahhs.
@@dimattia11people be stealing their videos and not giving them credit, they have to watermark them. there is a whole team of professionals that work on these videos and contribute. they have millions of subscribers and get millions of views, i’d watermark them too
I'm always astounding at how the killer self- harm's to deflect blame but never enough to kill themselves. The nonchalant manner in the way she spoke to the detective was chilling!
She was likely medicated. She was certainly in a mental health crisis. Not defending her. Her actions are abhorrent. But armchair detective work is rarely useful.
The Dr. prolly gave her adavan or anxiety meds. I thought it was strange she baby talked about the murder ( I don't know) but talked normal when talking about everything else. Super weird!
Ikr. They obviously know how to kill, but just can't seem to get it right when it comes to themselves. Smh We should really bring back "cruel and unusual punishments" for people like this.
I can't get poor Lacey out of my head. That poor Babygirl must have been terrified and when I think of how she described how scared Lacey was sitting on a bed watching her "Mother" holding a knife and how Lacey kept telling her she loved her. Until the very end that Baby loved her Mom and thought her love could save her life. To do this to these babies and I can't even have children due to Stage/Case 2 Lupus & PCOS. It really pisses me off!
It's the fourth F that is finally starting to be recognized as a fear response: Fight: Sometimes verbally, sometimes physically, sometimes legally, sometimes spiritually, etc. Like a dog or bear when you invade its territory. Flight: Running away, denying what's happening, etc. Like a bird or rabbit when you get close. Freeze: Don't move. Don't do anything. Like a deer in the headlights, or when you get near an opossum. Fawn: Give gifts. Say nice things. Use your influence to get someone a promotion. Vote for them. Give them discounts. Don't charge them (financially or legally). Give them what you think they want so they don't hurt you, or don't hurt you as badly, or as often. Humans and dolphins.
I'm so sorry you had to deal with that. You're absolutely right - people who shouldn't be allowed to see the sun are doing awful things while deserving people struggle to make a family. I wish you the best ❤
"Lacey persistently told her mother how much she loved her" - that makes me want to sob. I have a 7 year old girl. The idea of a poor child knowing how much danger she was in and trying to placate her mother is heartbreaking.
I have a 2yo and 30 times a day she will like walk past or “hug attack” me as she calls it saying “I love you momma” like excuse me this child is my entire life no way would I ever raise my hand to her let alone worse 💯
I've got a young son. When I come home from work it's "Daddy! Daddy! Hi Daddy! Daddy Look!" I get that crazy immense anger sadness sickness just thinking of something bad happening to my kids. My family is very literally my world. This psycho b**** deserves scaphism only after being tortured for days.
Toddler and pre school is heaven compared to pre teen just started menstruation little angel that I love so very much and am terrified at same time:) all stages are tough beautiful fun rewarding challenging and so much more. Anyone that can harm a child in any way doesn't deserve to exist. No measure wouldn't be taken if someone tried to hurt my kids. This is the ultimate in heartbreaking
The first female detective worked her like a pro. I can’t imagine having to look a child murderer in the eyes & say ‘I understand’. That’s a mental strength like no other.
Because as a woman who has lived with the daily stress most women go thru, we CAN understand. We DO think about it BRIEFLY, but we would NEVER act or plan it. That’s the difference. Understanding is so different than excusing… I can empathize with Jessica feeling psychotic while still condemning her for being so weak and giving into those dark and painful impulses. You can be friends with your shadow without giving in and a lot of these murderers aren’t friends with their shadows. Their darkness takes over because they never give that shadow time to breathe, and then that becomes them… scary to think we’re all capable of this but most of us let it out in small ways so we would never let this become us. I think that’s why most of us like to see them as “evil” when the reality is we are all capable. RIP those poor poor babies Lacey, Phillip and Christopher. Hope Jessica gets the death penalty and stops wasting our taxes.
@@maybelikealittlebitthat's crazy. Not once have I ever even thought about that in my whole life. I have 6 children. I know stress. That has never crossed my mind
True but we have all broken the commandments and wen we all stand before god to be judged all sin will look the same to him that's why he says we must repent
@@nellsun2521umm got her psychiatric help. Put her on a three day hold at a facility to be evaluated. They could have stepped up and taken custody, emergency custody. They could have reported her words and behaviors. So much they could have done!
All always have mandatory mental follow-up, but trauma often prevents many from returning to work for a long time or stay in the field. It happened to my EMT friend. He survived two tours as a military medic aboad, but it was a gruesome incident with children 'harmed' that broke him. He went back, but two others never did.
My sister is a cop and is pursuing forensics. Last January, there was a hunting accident that resulted in a 6 year old boy being fatally shot in a deer stand. She had to climb up there and bring him down. That has stuck with her. The things they encounter are incredibly taxing emotionally.
About 15 years ago I was suddenly very depressed and for no reason at the time. Everything was going really well for me so it caught me off guard. I felt really odd and not myself at all. I had a nice home and job, a nice custom car I built, but then I finally became very conscious of something going on I had walked out of my house and had walked about 5 miles. I was like how in the hell did I get here? I started back home but struggled to get there. My mind was all messed up. What was it? The next day I had collapsed at a Dunkin Donuts and spent 4 days in the hospital until they did a TTT (Tilt Table Test) and found the problem. Chemical imbalance and lack of potassium and sodium. I often wondered what I did during that 5 miles as I had no memory of it at all.
I had similar happen when my first was 6 months old. Suddenly found myself in my pjs at the trian platform down the road from me. Thankfully no trains came until 7 am and it was around 3. I started treatment and it was like a flip being switched in my brain. Thankfully my subsequent pregnancies were fine but its terrifying not knowing what your own mind is doing.
Yes chemical imbalances Can and do cause this And like you They have No memory Unfortunately That's Not the reason Here She Remembers Every Horrifying Detail of Her actions She is Pure Evil 😈 She was having relationship Problems and Did it to Get Revenge Even taking Photos and Sending them to Him
@@leahw2124. What treatment do you mean? I know someone who has periods of not knowing how, when, where they have been and what has happened during that time.
Straight up, the stigma surrounding bpd is insane. It paints us all as manipulative monsters that’ll take everything you have 😭 I’m like dude pls I’m just rlly emotional
I think any mental health issue that's left untreated can contribute to someone snapping, but there are almost always warning signs. I wish she would've gotten help, but honestly I think she did all of this because she wanted to hurt her ex and boyfriend, it's a horrible thing to struggle with mental illness, but like you said, it doesn't make you kill someone, she made her own decisions and killed her kids because she was selfish.
I’m hoping the stigma is lessening. Most (nearly all) people with BPD aren’t violent and don’t unalive people. This murderer just happened to have it. She made selfish, evil choices that were entirely her own and not the “fault” of BPD.
Woke up late today thinking of my young boy and saw this. I can’t comprehend this , that any parent would do something so heinous, so vile & so the opposite of any mother’s duty & role.
She gave herself away when she was talking about the ex husband after the detective told her he’d talked to him. Her whole demeanor changed there for a second and you could hear the satisfaction in her voice that she’d punished him and the baby’s father. She’s pure evil, not crazy.
Yea it reminds me of the case from last year where a guy shot all his girlfriends kids including an infant in a crib because she broke up with him. The cops were crying and almost having panic attacks because of the scene. They caught him at the apartment tho.
Post partum psychosis will make you paranoid. Vindictive and literally do and say things completely evil. I'm not excusing what happened. I'm saying she was psychotic caused by a chemical imbalance in her brain after having the last child. She may have even had post partum with her other 2? She apparently also has BPD NPD and other mental health problems.
@@lovelyladyguido Amazing. There is literally nothing a woman can do in this world, no matter how evil or vile, that another woman won't justify and play defense for. She's a fucking monster, this ain't no PPP bullshit.
My sister went home with a c-section incision that wouldn’t fully close. She had a visiting nurse that came daily, though, to check on the incision until it finally closed
Oh dear God this is a horrific story.😢 I have 3 son's and cannot understand how a mother could even think of something like this let alone do it. My middle son, Brock, died tragically at age 35 and the pain in my heart cannot be described. I pray so strongly for the children's family.😢
She's such a liar. She knows exactly what she did and remembers everything. Also, the fact she told her mother she understands how parents can kill their kids is the biggest warning sign. No way should she have been alone with those children.
A coworker once told me out of nowhere that he could understand how men could kill their ex-wives. I gave him such a wide berth after that. He was fired for unrelated reasons a few weeks later and I don't know what happened with him.
I honestly believe she’s dissociated the actual killing part because it’s incredibly emotional, especially if she has BPD. I have BPD and dissociate on a daily basis. A lot of times I will remember in detail what happens leading up to a extremely emotional moment but the actual moment itself is wiped. BPD comes with extreme emotions and is very different from ASPD where you lack empathy. Killing your kids is highly emotional for someone with BPD, whether she did it out of anger, sadness, jealously etc. I even dissociate away happy moments. Everytime I experience an emotion too much it shuts off. It sucks. But like I said, I can remember everything up to it. What doesn’t make sense is the fact that she claims to not recall writing a letter which was way ahead of the actual killings, but then she remembers things between the letter and killings. If she were dissociating the entire time she would not remember any of it, but she does, which makes me believe she remembered the letter and knew she was going to do it, but her brain blocked out the graphic parts. Idk if that makes any sense 😅
The system is built and designed to make sure the kids stay with the women. Whether they are crazy or not. Doesn't matter. If you have male genitalia then you are up the creek when it comes to your kids if you ever want to separate. Unless you can prove 100% without a doubt in multiple ways that she is unfit. It takes a lot for a man to win the children unfortunately. I have known crackheads that don't work that get to keep the kids over the working father who is drug-free. That is the system that is America right now
I can't even imagine the horror and fear and confusion those poor babies felt when their own mother was doing this to them. The one person they loved and trusted, who was supposed to keep them safe. And the desperation the father must had felt when he found them and tried to save the baby. It's absolutely heartbreaking.
They were helpless but they Harley could not "trust" this borderline lunatic because she had never been trustworthy! Children are not idiots and have a better instinct than adults!
@@dianabehr3169 You can't use being borderline as an insult against her when she wasn't even diagnosed with it. BPD doesn't make you kill people. This woman had many serious issues and knew exactly what she was doing too. She wanted her boyfriend to suffer. This was truly malicious towards Christopher.
This woman is a malignant narcissist. It is all about her. Her letter is all about her feeling sorry for herself. She never loved those kids. She only loved herself. She killed them just to hurt her ex-husband and current boyfriend. She is just a monster, no excuses.
Exactly! I have witnessed the entire charade that she is putting on many times while working with female offenders. They never accept full responsibility. They always try to push some off on someone else, usually a man. And they tend to get away with doing it.
@@jakemenard2593 Because society at large continues to treat and coddle women as if they're children. Nothing is ever their fault, everything they do had to have been provoked, they're always the true victim in a situation, etc etc. The result of a no accountability/responsibility culture.
Do you suppose Chris would agree with you? He said she was a superb mother, and that that was the reason he stayed with her. I tend to avoid the "it was all a lie" narrative when we're talking about a period of time spanning almost a decade.
When they’re talking about her daughter and she says “that’s not why I did it” I think she slipped up right there. She claims that she has no idea why she did it yet she’s sure that that wasn’t the reason. If you truly didn’t know why you did something you wouldn’t be able to rule anything out. I think she screwed up when she said that. It tells me that she knows exactly why she did it.
I can say it. Spite, her motive was pure petty spite. That letter basically outlines it. And in classic abuser fashion, she blames the murder of her family on Chris for wanting to separate. The classic "you drove me to this, so it's your fault" defense.
As horrible and vile that woman is for doing those evil things to her children.. her boyfriend is a POS for that convo about him only taking care of his own child.
Her condescending attitude talking to the detective is so disgusting. And her switching between not remembering, crying, and than catching an attitude depending on the questions shows she is definitely in control and thinks she can manipulate people to go along with her. Truly despicable human
"he cheated on me, I'm going to destroy his world" is what it boils down to. At least 50% of all the EWU stories involve (directly or not) cheating. That being said, it might just be a statistical coincidence. It just so happen that 50% of couple have at least 1 cheating on the other and 100% of murders involve human beings... Therefore, 50% of all murder stories have a cheater... Who knows. Edit, I just Googled it, it's between 30 and 60% of marriages with at least 1 affair... depressing...
If she does have BPD then those switches are not controlled. Her feelings would change moment to moment based on the topic/question. Not manipulation, but definitely an unhealthy human being who should not have had care of kids.
I grew up with a BPD/NPD mother like that. Once she almost hit me with an axe accidentally, because she wanted to dismember her boyfriend in a drunken, jealous rage. I am astounded, whenever I see videos like these, that I am still alive today. I chose not to have kids, to no pass on the torch, because living with my mother left me emotionally scarred for the rest of my life. Break the wheel.
I am so sorry you lived and experienced that. My grandmother was the same to my mom. She chased her around the neighborhood with an axe when she was five for not laying the table correctly, and a neighbor hid her under the dinner table until her dad got home. I can remember the 4am phone calls she got every morning with her mom screaming every obscenity at the top of her lungs to her. It took my mom a long time to learn how to say no, but when she did she never went back. She didn't want kids for the same reason you have, but she didn't have a choice in having me. She still broke the cycle. So don't be too hard on yourself ok? Kids are resilient and I wouldn't replace my mom for anyone. (Great name btw)
I cannot imagine surviving the horrors of war and thinking it's behind you and all that remains is PTSD, only to have "war" let loose in your own home by your own partner. The fact a woman could do that to a child, let alone doing that to multiple children. She is despicable and a monster.
I don't think it's always a "mental health" problem. Sometimes people are just evil. They can be incredibly selfish, will refuse to take responsibility for their part in anything, act like a spoiled child, and can't handle that life is not a fairy tale in which you always win. They hide who they truly are until their rage overflows. I keep saying it to anyone and everyone: Perception is not reality.
As someone with a mental illness, i fully believe it can be both. Mental illnesses 100% can influence you to harm others. What makes you evil is when you willingly and knowingly partake in those influences. A good person knows to control themselves and seek help.
What an evil, manipulative and vindictive b*tch. That letter at the end says it all. She did it to punish him (even though I suspect she had had fantasies of killing those kids for years) and to make him feel guilty for not wanting to be with her. Just heinous! And all that acting to try and blame it on a mental illness was just her way of pretending to be the victim and “insane” so that she could get away with it. That letter gave all the proof of premeditation and there is NO WAY she didn’t remember what she did. She was proud enough of it to send a damn picture! Pure EVIL!!!
If you looked intto Postpartum depression. You would realize she killed them because of it. 6 months after birth is still plenty of time to have it. Learn facts before you make assumptions. You sound more heinous then she does with your judgement without knowledge
@@giraffe_113EVEN if she DID have PPD, SHE KNEW she was having those thoughts! She killed the damn dog! Don't give me that sh!t! That's a damn excuse! She's an evil person & the fact that you actually are defending her makes me sus of you..
@@giraffe_113 I stand by what I said. It was vengeance and this woman showed no genuine remorse at all. She wouldn’t even admit what she did even when the cop suggested it would save them. This woman is trash.
Every parent involved sucks ass. Don’t be in a relationship with someone if you’re not going to love their kids as well. Don’t say that “you fell in love with Lacey” when you didn’t want them at your house. You’re no man Chris simply put
As someone who has Borderline Personality Disorder I can completely feel all of those extreme feelings she had about being loved and denied. BUT not once in my mind did I ever think about murder to make a point. If anything ( and possibly triggering ) I'd often resort to self harm than anything. I've been sober from ✂️ for over 8 years now, so recovery is possible.
I can relate very well. My arms are covered in scars because it was the only answer at the time. Now, people look at my arms and instantly judge me. I get your pain. I still feel pain, but the self-harm has stopped. I hope you're doing well now 🙏🇨🇦
I have boardeeline personality disorder. My dad always told me my diagnosis is not an excuse. I went to therapy for DBT therapy. Changed my LIFE. having BPD is not a valid excuse for ANY kind of violence. EVER.
I think what a lot of people are missing is the fact that there was premeditation involved. it doesn’t matter if she wasn’t in her “right mind”, she straight up wrote a letter saying what she was going to do. not to mention that just because someone is suffering with a mental illness, doesn’t mean their actions are okay, they too should take responsibility. And on top of that, if we take away the tone policing, she only cries when she notices someone watching, she has no clear signs of empathy whatsoever or remorse, not verbally or through body language. she legitimately doesn’t care, she explicitly states she knew why she did it and back tracks when coming to remembering? it doesn’t add up at all. she is just really good at manipulating people.
This is beyond evil and sickening. Those poor babies didn't deserve this. This gut wrenching case made me weep. There is absolutely no excuse for this and I believe she should get the death penalty.
I absolutely 10000 percent agree. They shouldn’t have let her off even for a deal. She should have been executed regardless. And if there was a way to execute her 3 more times…. Including an execution for the dog… I’d be in full support of it
@@maryjane4432why "especially" those people? Simply because those were the ones you knew details about and that made _YOU_ feel bad?? There are plenty of other murderers who have committed crimes just as if not more heinous them those you named and said that they "especially" needed to receive the death penalty.
I appreciate EWU saying that people with BPD aren't typically known to commit violent crimes. It's hard enough living with the disorder, let alone people thinking I'm some kind of psychopath.
Her having BPD will never be an excuse. I have BPD and the thought of ever doing this to my kids absolutely horrifies me. I am actually in tears after hearing what she did. I hate how BPD has such a bad reputation. Having BPD doesn’t make you a murderer.
Your BPD and hers are not the same, and you can never compare your illness to another person's unless you share the same body and same life. I'm not excusing her behavior, but saying "I have x and they have x and I don't act like them, therefore x was not a factor" is an absolutely ridiculous thing to assert.
I completely agree with your viewpoint. It is unfair to generalize an entire group based on the actions of one person. It is valid to assert that having BPD doesn't make someone a murderer, just as being diabetic doesn't make someone prone to violence. Mental health conditions should not be stigmatized or used to justify harmful actions. Additionally, it is important to note that the individual responsible for the tragedy may have exhibited psychopathic or antisocial traits alongside their BPD, further highlighting the complexity of mental health.
Well unfortunately 74 percent of people with BPD commit acts of violence, usually towards family members. So you might not like that stereotype, but it exists for a reason. Meet my mom, who delighted in torturing me as a child. Also, it isn't just violence, there's mental and emotional abuse that family members of BPD have to deal with. I'm glad you don't physically hurt your children, but that doesn't discount the reality of what's happening with the general population of people with BPD.
@@moonchild457Stop comparing yourself with anyone else. Stop shaming people that you don't even know and you have never walked in their shoes. I have BPD and bipolar. I have severe mental illness and without my meds I am a complete wreck, suicidal, unstable and I had violent thoughts towards one of my children. Yes I was severely abused as a child and by my husband.... So if you are stable and healthy, then thank God, others of us aren't...just keep quiet, or better yet, pray and do something positive to help those who are in need.
She can recall every detail including texting a bloody pic and calling her boyfriend to tell him the kids were dead, but can’t remember her other actions. Mmmmm???? My heart goes out for those babies who had there whole lives ahead of them…may they RIP!💔 Thanks for sharing this EWU!
I’m so glad you differentiate between bipolar and BPD. But more importantly, I’m glad you don’t use the BPD to “explain” her actions. I get so tired of people with BPD being painted in a terrible light. I have BPD and I’ve had some very scary outbursts, but I would never harm another person.
@@raeisdumb hey! I’ve tried literally 10 medications and I finally found one that’s made me VERY stable the past 3 years. Trintellix. That in combination with being surrounded by good people has helped. I hope yours get better too!
The audacity of this woman to say "I dont think you could find one person in this world who could say im a bad mom". I couldnt find one to say the contrary
Even if parents are wonderful up until the point that they murder or think of murdering their children, that thought or act negates every other good thing. Good parents don't murder or even think of murdering their children. Period.
The way her cadence changes when talking about what she did and when talking about her boyfriend and also the fact that she remembers everything about the argument they had but doesn’t remember what she did to her OWN children just shows how much of a monster she is.
Reminds me of an Ex I had. Her voice, her demeanor, everything. Things didn’t work out and I had to cut her out of my life and she wouldn’t accept it. Threatened to kill herself and everything if I didn’t stay with her. Would call me months on end leaving voicemails from work, her kids phones, everything. It’s crazy how much she reminds me of her. Thank god I got away when I did because she was recently 302d and lost custody of her children. Anxious attachment to someone can be dangerous and this is what can come from that.
tbe problem is that even if she did the mother would have killed some other time because it clearly was premeditated... poor kids they never stood a chance with that psycho
She was totally normal when talking to her mom prior. She remembers exactly what she meant when talking to her mom about women who kill their kids. And she conveniently stops the interview when asked how she understands those women. She killed her kids over a man. She wanted to punish him and she wanted attention, which is why she called to tell him what she did.
It's obvious she is faking being distraught. You can hear the difference between her and her mom. Her mother is clearly trying her best to keep it together, while Jessica is trying to SOUND like she's emotional.
Everything you say is right, but she was also very sick, physically and mentally, and overwhelmed. She admits what she did. I think she was sick. Her relationship was toxic and toxic relationships fuel mental health. She needed intervention sadly that didn't happen.
After having my son at 17, and getting into a car accident 3 months after he was born, I had PPD and postpartum psychosis. It’s still such a taboo, and most people are so dismissive about moms having « strange thoughts ». I remember seeing a councillor, and she literally told me “well you created these problems, now you have to deal with them yourself”…cause that’s what a mom who is hearing/seeing things should be told :)
The fact that Lacey repeatedly told her evil witch of a mother that she loved her in terror before she was murdered…my heart. How can such monsters live among us? 💔
Human potential for great and unspeakable things is sadly quite unlimited. Like if there's a story like this and one would think, surely there can't be anyone worse than this, someone will step up to the challenge, or has already and we don't know it yet.
I might buy that this was some kind of psychotic break that she couldn't remember IF her boyfriend wasn't in the middle of trying to break up with her. Considering the first thing she did was call the boyfriend and send pics of the crime scene, I'm much more inclined to believe she was trying to hurt him.. I'll go ahead and say it Jessica, considering you think no one else will, you're a bad mother. Edit: I just heard what she said about her ex husband and how he should feel guilty for not seeing the kids. I was originally wondering why she would kill the other 2 children if she was trying to hurt the boyfriend, but obviously she was trying to hurt BOTH men. She knew exactly what she was doing and is an absolute monster.
@NeverDoneHomestead Yea it's pretty unimaginable to think a mother could do this just to get back at a couple men, but sadly, the killing of people's own children has become more and more common. It's horrifying
You are 100% correct. She's a narcissist. She may have BPD. But the post-partum diagnoses which weren't diagnosed by a mental health professional that purely conjecture on the part of the narrator. It sounds like she doesn't have any diagnoses when it comes to her mental health. I'll give her one: F**king B***H! I don't think that's in the DSMV though it should be along with AH and SOB.
As someone who works clerical in the medical field, I cannot imagine someone's c-section wound opening up and the hospital just being like "Your doctor is not here. There's nothing we can do." Even if her doctor was gone and every other doctor in the hospital or clinic suddenly dropped dead, the staff would have insured that she got treatment even if it meant calling an ambulance to take her to another hospital.
I know right?! I was so taken back by that statement like I wonder if mom was actually there or if that’s what Jessica told her happened. The hospital can be held liable for that so it’s bizarre if it really happened 😖
EXACTLY. I wouldn't imagine a hospital EVER letting someone go like that because of how MASSIVE the lawsuit would be. I'm sure there's exaggeration on how "open" the scar was or something else. People with BPD are known for being liars, so I wouldn't be surprised if the truth was stretched or just not the truth at all
Honestly after watching this whole episode I wouldn't be so surprised if she deliberately caused the infection and ripped the stiches to get Christophers attention
Man i love your videos. I wish you'd mention of these murderers are taking any pills and what kind. Especially these who say they dont if or why they did commit murder
If you want a one-sentence response from her to tell you exactly what kind of woman she is it's this: Her response to the detectives asking if the two children were alive after she put them in their room.. " well obviously they were if the baby still has a pulse" The vitriol in her voice knowing that even one of the children might end up surviving her selfish awful attack is just so mind-blowing. Any normal human being claiming that they still love their children after they attacked them this way is beyond comprehension. She even sounds frustrated that the baby survived. What a Fμ€K¡NG monster
she remembers everything including the knife but then she forgets, and also its so fucking annoying when people do shit like this and then they say “i could never imagine doing that” ?!?!? like not only did your crazy ass imagine it YOU DID IT
Well men who wants to bring children in the world back to back knowing what it does to a woman’s body and mental health and then decides to leave instead of getting them into a treatment is part to blame.
@@CAPTINjacksparrow yes the woman murdered her children but years ago a man hurt her and he is partially responsible. REALLY!!!! SMH most ridiculous comment I have seen in awhile.
I think that’s because he truly didn’t think she would ever really hurt any of them. He said he thought she killed maybe the dog or something until he actually got there and walked in. 🤷♀️ I thought it seemed strange though how calm both guys were for just finding out their kids had been brutally murdered by their mom.
"To this day, they still do not know why she did it." Apparently, what all those doctors really need is a license in COMMON SENSE! She said why in her journal. Her ex-husband didn't spend enough time with his children, her boyfriend cared more about his child, the baby boy. She felt like everybody could come and go and do whatever they wanted while she was the one who did 90% of the responsibility. It was the ultimate act of revenge. Women in prison serving time, for whatever their crime, say the hardest part is missing their children. They don't take kindly to baby killers. They will not only make her life a living hell, but make her wish she should have taken the death penalty.
Same in male prison. Children are missed sorely and people that are child killers aren't looked at favorably at all. Hopefully they make her stay in prison a long and hellish one.
Hearing her say "everyone would tell you I am a great mother" made my skin crawl. A good mother would never harm their children under ANY circumstances, let alone murder them. She clearly did this to get Chris`s attention and hurt him for hurting her and wanting to leave her. Not to mention her weird feelings that her ex husband would not care because he "didnt come around". She deserves the death penalty.
I believe there is no such thing as a good mom. Every parent has good things and bad things In their personality. While this lady is absolutely crazy and most cases aren't this extreme, there are very few if any people who have not a single thing they wish their parents would change or apologize for.
@@affectingsolidMy Parents are were amazing. I had the BEST childhood. And now they are amazing grandparents to my kids and my husband has amazing parents too. I absolutely adore my in laws. So not everyone has childhood trauma 😂I mean I don't live in the US maybe there's that. 🤷♀️
@@nataliekenny7490 I'm not talking about trauma itself but you can't tell me there's not a single opinion or action or belief of your parents' that you would change if you could. Whether that be them working too much and having a demanding job or them not pursuing their own lifelong dreams. My mother was wonderful, but labeling things as with good or bad ignores that there is both in every situation and person. I'm coming at this from a philosophical perspective, but yeah being in america I have watched a lot of my friends live through childhoods that I just could not.
@@affectingsolidyes you absolutely can summarize and describe someone as good even though they may have a few less than desirable qualities. No one is ever perfect. Nothing is, really. I cannot believe that you don't ever label someone or something as good or bad based on an overall experience. This is how the world works and describes people, places, things, and feelings. If you can't, then maybe you need to get yourself checked out. Are you on the spectrum? Do you have depression?
@@AlwaysCheckmateNeverStalemateow maybe you need to get checked out this is extremely rude. Alot of people view others this way because humans are on instinct selfish greedy creatures so you look at them neutral. Example you are rude for no reason expect you don't agree with someone but we didn't know till now.
Parents committing revenge killings on their children to get back at their spouses are some of the worst people in the world. I hope she gets what's coming to her in prison, because if it gets out about what she did, then I doubt she will be there for long.
This is exactly what type of killing it is. She was angry he was not going to babysit the children and she’d have a night out with her friends, drinking. In her mind, she thought, “ oh yeah, you son of a bitch, you don’t want to come and watch your kids, you just wait and see, because you’re not gonna have any kids to watch ever again!” It is likely he was an SOB, and he probably did her a favor when he decided not to continue the relationship. A lot of men impregnate women, make babies and leave them to their mother to primarily take care of them. In the meantime, he is able to go out and about, and conduct his life as if he is single. Unfortunately, too many women handover their identity and require their boyfriend’s or husband’s validation even to exist. The issue I take with her is, women are more knowledgeable today than ever about single motherhood and turbulent relationships. The rising number of how many women are left to raise children on their own, and what the success and divorce rates are of couples today is common knowledge. This is why when you already have two children and you are starting a new relationship, it does not require you to get pregnant anytime soon, because you haven’t had even enough time to see if you two will last, never mind add an innocent newborn infant into the equation. There are higher rates of violent crimes among every day people than there is among people with mental health issues. To believe one must be crazy to commit a heinous crime, involving multiple victims is not indicative of a mental health defect. To wrap it up, lol. I belong to the school of thought which believes she was completely sane during the violent attack on her children. The women who turn on their children to get back at a spouse is more common than we think. Revenge is as old as time. She is an absolute liar, claiming she doesn’t remember the individual attacks on her children, but able to remember the facts that bolster her innocence, and she is completely void when it comes to her actions which will put her away in prison for the rest of her life. She is your typical, garden-variety, and poor excuse of a mother, who believes she is entitled to a better life, and the life she was leading was full of responsibility, she believes, he was supposed to have more responsibility for. She is far from the first woman to find out how difficult, stressful and a lot of times, lonely life is when you are the primary parent responsible for the lives of the children, you brought into this world. Like most of us know, it takes little to nothing to become a mother, but it takes a patient, loving, unselfish and responsible woman to be your Mom. RIP precious 👼👼👼…
Right if she wanted to "punish" the dads and didn't obviously care that much for the kids, why not just send them back to their dads for full custody? Sign away your rights and leave if you really hate them all and don't want the responsibility. You don't have to be violent or kill anyone, holy hell 👀
@@jhoughjr1 I found out recently the phrase is "be all, end all" or "end all, be all". Just thought you might wanna know! 😊 And another I learned is, "for all intents and purposes"... (I had thought it was "for all intensive purposes". Lol😂)
Unpopular opinion but, I feel for the mother too. Obviously, my heart is shattered about the children. But this woman was diagnosed with mental illness, she had a lot on her plate & PPD is no fucking joke. She needed help, signs were missed. You hear her ex husband say she told him she was having bad thoughts about hurting the kids, then the dog dies? No one took it seriously. She knows she fucked up, she just doesn't know why. You don't hear her trying to say she didn't do it. Not like in other interrogations of murderers. At the end of the day, she is human. Bi-polar, new baby, PPD, not a super supportive partner (who might be cheating?) It adds up. None of these are excuses for what she did, there's more to this story than any of us will ever see, though. PPD along with a complicated post delivery, it does damage. PPD is very real & more women need help. I just wish healing for all involved. May those babies rest in peace. Check in on your new mom friends, they're under more pressure than you know.
@@truthteller9071 Who says he didn't? She just murdered her kids to get back at her boyfriend and can't help but to trash her husband. The lack of perspective on her part is disgusting, and even if he was a crappy absentee father that's a far cry from the evil she committed.
@@ACVRG1Oh for heaven’s sake, stop with the women-hating nonsense. There are plenty of bad apples of both sexes. What about that man who killed his 3 kids not that long ago?
The bathub killing and the broken shower door frame was proof that there was a struggle. Also that poor baby clawing her own neck trying to free herself from choking..... insaneee
I don’t think she was “crazy” at all because she remembered EVERY Detail . She just chose to have selective memory when it came down to the actual important stuff which was the murder. I can’t imagine what that poor little girl went through because she called out for her mommy just for her to harm you .
Omg!!! That beautiful little girl constantly telling her, " i love you mommy" . The fear and confusion that little girl must of gone through.. just broke me
I have serious doubts that this is postpartum psychosis, but even if it were, she's a monster through and through. She did this to get back at her boyfriend, bottom line. Andrea Yeates, who absolutely had postpartum psychosis, has been in prison for I don't know how many decades. When they wanted to release her she refused. She understands the horrific nature of what she did to her children. Her, I actually have some empathy for. This lady, "I don't know what happened to the children. I don't know if I did it." Bullshit. She planned it because her man was about to leave her.
This was definitely not ppp. Ppp killings don't happen for revenge, women who kill their kids bc of ppp generally don't realize they're doing it and it's always based on delusions. Like they believe something like their baby is actually a demon imposter and killing "it" is the only way to save their baby. They often snap out of it later, usually in a hospital bc they hurt themselves too, and start asking where their child/ren are not realizing she killed them. It's truly a horrific thing. These women genuinely love their babies and would normally never even think about hurting them and often have delusions that lead them to believe that they're actually helping their child/ren, not killing or hurting them. A revenge killing isn't done bc of delusions, unless the reason for needing revenge is a delusion itself. Ppp is too often used as an excuse where it's not actually the case.
It pisses me off how many women try to use ppp as a defense where it clearly wasn't the case, bc it makes real cases of ppp seem like any old type of murder and makes it harder for those women to fight their cases properly
@@HikingFeral Killing someone let alone your kids and using PP depression is an excuse plain and simple, Thousands and thousands of women make it through PP depression without killing anyone
her note was heartbreaking, just knowing she was going through something mentally challenging that she couldnt get help for. she blamed her boyfriend, sick. rip to all those babies and i hope the rest of the family is doing okay 💗
I was raised by a borderline woman who also needed help. Nothing about this case surprises me, after what I survived. She even killed our dog. I’m only terribly sad for the kids, who could’ve been my siblings. EDIT: I can tell you exactly why she did this. She wanted to hurt Chris and Phillip-the men who “abandoned” her-in the worst possible way. She laid the entire crime at Chris’ feet *in writing*. My mom used us to hurt our dad all the time. We were just lucky enough to make it out alive.
Borderlines and functioning society honestly don't seem to mix (and saying this would send them into one of their episodes 🙄). Wasn't that woman who killed the father of her child and then jumped off a cliff with their baby in her arms a borderline? They're just too messed up in the head.
@@adolfussmith1012 So um… I'm diagnosed borderline and could never bring myself to harm another unless they've harmed someone I love or to protect someone who needs it. I am borderline due to past severe trauma and coped with drug use and blocking it out all together. Does this make me “just too messed up in the head.”? I'm sorry to see you believe this to be true. Take care.
This woman had violent thoughts for *years* and she wrote that letter in advance. This was premeditated, cold-blooded, and pure evil. I'd believe post-partum psychosis if her behavior suddenly changed after the baby was born, but this wasn't new. Her family just didn't believe that she'd actually do it.
I’m a first time mom w a newborn he’s only a month old. I get frustrated and I deal with postpartum depression but nothing could ever make me hurt my baby. The thought has come to my mind and it scares me to even have the thoughts. I can’t imagine acting on those type of thoughts
JFC !! 😮 If you Have Actually Had those “Thoughts” Already,. Get Help Now!!! If you can Imagine it, It Can Happen!! “Frustrated” ALREADY with a one month olD !?! Lawdy lady your “Frustrations” have Only Just Begun!!! Raising another Human is LIFELONG. You Should have started with a puppy… or a fish. 🐟 😢🫣 🙏💙
Those poor babies 😭😭😭😭 I hope she never dies and has to live with what she's done forever torchering her mind 24/7!! I pray for her mom and family. What a horrible loss. Losing your grandchildren like that is awful!! 😭😭
I was abused, publicly humiliated, cheated on & left by my son’s dad. I never had any thought to harm my son because of the crappy situation I put myself in. I took my L & learned my lesson! Those poor children had to witness the one person in the world that they’re supposed to be able to trust harm them. 😢
She slipped at times. First, she'd say she didn't remember (in a croaking fake cry voice). Then she'd answer a question that proved she absolutely remembered (and did so with a regular voice). Cold-blooded.
I remember suffering from postpartum depression and i didnt even know it at the time. it was yr 1990 i had just given birth to my 1st born Son i was a very young mom always crying my son father was very abusive both mentally and physically my life had no meaning or purpose.i had no support or friends. It was the worst feeling ever. I thank God i started going to church thats what helped me get through it. I pray those going through this get help reach out to someone sometimes a stranger will help more than a family member reach out to anyone even if you dont know them, just talk to someone it can be life changing. Im here if anyone's needs to talk . God bless ❤🙏
So Philip Sr knew she had these thoughts of killing his kids and he did nothing for her and most importantly his kids. He's part responsible horrible man and father 😡
Judging by the letter it seems to me that she did this to get back at Chris. And in my opinion it was pretty well premeditated. Absolutely unbelievable. Rip three little angels. Thank you EWU Crime Storytime ⭐
I can say with a fair certainty that Jessica purposefully murdered those kids and intended to end her life and make Christopher pay and feel remorse by witnessing her dying, or at least attempting to die while he was there. She wanted to hurt him completely and even told him he destroyed their family. The letter tells it all and doesn't indicate that she had an "episode.' She knew what she was doing and it was completely premeditated. Granted, she may have had Borderline Personality Disorder, but the decision to kill her kids was something I guarantee she remembers, no matter how much she wants to fool everyone into thinking she's blocking it out. Her letter is snarky by saying "I hope you'll be happy in your new relationship with Brandy' and wanted to make sure he knew it was his relationship with Brandy that sealed their coffins. There's no doubt in my mind she wanted Chris to pay. The only thing that backfired for her was that she was hoping she'd have the courage to take her own life as well, but ultimately, she failed. The police used nonlethal weaponry to subdue her. She only cut herself just enough to drip blood all over the house and to elicit some sort of horror from Chris when he saw it was all over the floor (most likely her own blood judging by the traveling drips) Lacey had no stab wounds, and the means of killing the kids was primarily ligature and strangulation. Jessica probably walked all over the house deliberately dripping everywhere just to make the house look horrifying. Her mother had already offered to take the kids for the night, so she can't even use the excuse that the kids would still be alive if he'd wanted to watch all 3. At that point, she already had it in her head that she was going to kill her kids and take them with her, then end her own life, but not before her husband came home, looked her in the eyes and realized he actually had destroyed the entire family (as she described in her letter). This was a murder suicide gone wrong. But since she wasn't able to kill herself, she realized she was now stuck with the prospect of having to live without her kids anyway, and she was STILL going to lose Chris. At that point, she just melted into a pity party of denial and decided she'd play the "I can't remember any of it' card.
I agree with this. Though of course we'll never really know. Post partum psychosis does happen but from what I recall from other 'stories', it doesn't tend to look like this. She seems too lucid. IMO! xD
I have borderline personality disorder... and 100% functional as well as a pleasure to be around. Self control is lost usually with drugs and meds about 99% of the time. They merely just hold a persona that they think everyones wants to see but the control over their life was lost long ago. Acting for so long makes these psychos snap. They just get tired of it cuz its like a jail they know they keep themselves in but dont know how to get out and when they do break out it looks like this. Not usually this bad but thats what's sad, it's a another bad example of what this world is full of. Troubled people on weird ass drugs and alcohol.. Smoke some organic weed and go to bed already people....
I don't know if this woman was suffering from a serious mental illness or was just evil, but there was a great amount of responsibility from the men in her life. One had a new family and neglected his own children even though he knew their mother had been an addict and had spoken about killing them, and the other who was raising her two oldest kids with her told her he wasn't willing to babysit "her" kids, as if he had no feelings for them, as if they were a burden. He also knew she probably killed the dog and was mentally unstable. Where is the love for the kids and the will to protect them?? What are these men's priorities?
How is she even able to talk?? And not be a complete mess, anxiety ridden … I mean the way she talks about it and how angry she gets when talking about the BF. This is absolutely chilling. Her handwriting is pretty neatly written, too. Not shaky & in distress. It’s like she was calm about the murder. Those poor babies 😭😭😭😭
People with Borderline or well, just plain evil people, can be amazing at convincing themselves that they didn't do anything wrong, or rather that they are in the right of doing what they did. Like this "mother", she wrote down how it's perfectly fine for her to leave the world but not without dragging her kids with them and it wouldn't be a big deal to the father. So instead of doing the more decent thing and only minecrafting herself she wanted to cause maximum pain while only thinking about herself. A wicked witch indeed.
Right?!?! Ice cold. If I went into psychosis for some bizarre reason and God forbid hurt my children they better have me strapped on a bed in a padded room in a high security nuthouse because not even Jesus himself would stop me from ending myself out of absolute despair. Ugh, just thinking about it makes me queasy 🤢
It is important to know that some people's evil deeds are NOT always driven by mental illness but by evil itself, please remember this when sentencing this woman. I suffer with Bi-polar for nearly 30 years and I would NEVER dream of doing what this evil witch has done
I’m so tired of mental health problems being the only cause for evil. Some people are just sick fucks. Many people just are not meant for the civilized world.
Everyone that has a mental illness isn’t the same just because a psychiatrist or therapist or psychologist says so and some stupid dsm standard says so
That's right i hate it when killers blame their upbringing on their deeds, i was abused as a child and i have autism too, but there's no way i'd even consider killing someone. the only 2 reasons for taking a life one would be to protect an innocent party or self defence, there is no other excuse for taking anyone's life
This actually breaks my heart. I have bpd and ANY mental illness not treated right and without any support is asking for trouble. 1 year ago I would never think of hurting someone… that changes and it gets worse. get help while you can and don’t be in denial of your own issues because you will destroy yourself and those around you ❤
The letter says it all, she wanted to punish him for eventually leaving her, just like Chad Doernan. The difference is that he was pleased with the result and didn't hide it from police he was calm as a pic-nic sunday! But this woman had such a rage that she opted to play victim "i don't remember , poor me" card to get the attention and the empathy she didn't obtained from Chris. Such a narcissistic monster!
This is no mother this is a monster. The way she was so casually speaking with the detective was chilling to listen to. My heart breaks for the poor children, may they rest in peace. 🙏
After being with my partner 19 years and 11 months I found out they had another relationship behind my back. The texts and emails were gut wrenching, everything I needed over the years I wasn’t getting this person was giving to someone else and lying to me. Using me for my income. I thought that shit was gonna kill me. I think I wanted to in way. Im tearing up writing this, it was only 3 months ago. I remember all my thoughts and emotions running wild. I thought about killing this person in some last grand stand but in the end I packed up my shit and left. That person after nearly 20 years didn’t try and stop me and didn’t protest, just let me walk out the door and out of their lives and poof 20 years of my life-gone. It still hurts I’m working on myself and they officially became a couple. I left my home the new car I bought and everything else except my personal belongings and the older car. Y’all it hurts ngl I had so many crazy thoughts but at the end of the day it’s not worth it. It takes more strength to walk away than to destroy your life by making a choice u can’t take back and giving ur future away to the system.
So tragic and sad. It's however more complex. Mothers suffering from postpartum psychosis sometimes hurt or kill their children, but the law isn't sure how to separate illness from intent. I think if she would have received treatment for her mental illness this could have been prevented. Unfortunately people are unstandably not educated on this and ignore all the warning signs. In this case there were many.
I just came here to comment this: people suffering from BPD sometimes do experience episodes of mania. They are markedly different than bipolar episodes,which I have also had. I can actually tell the difference between the 2 after a handful of both (at different times). Bipolar episodes usually include feelings of grandiosity, reduced need for sleep etc etc. In a BPD episode, those feelings of grandiosity usually aren't present, although many of the of other symptoms overlap. I personally went from non drinker to alcoholic status for about 2 weeks to try to mask my bpd episode, it felt that awful. I never did this with a bipolar episode, because I feel on top of a mountain then. But I am not just speaking from personal experience. My Healthcare team which at times has been extensive, have confirmed or were the ones to break the difference down. Didn't come here to argue with pros, but I guess I sort of am. Because the disorder is often brought up in these videos, and the misrepresentation is uncomfortable.
@@kimberlymartin7498 Both father's? Doubt it. They were both very called and casual, during and after. They did not act as a person in shock would. Watch all their interviews and listen to all their calls.
Well the one guy was in the military and was riding in a car trying to stay calm. That's why he said "drive normal, drive normal". He's trying not to freak out.
yup. They both come across as complete jerks. Chris absolutely was by telling her that "her" kids had to leave the house. I'm willing to bet money he said stuff like that all the time. All 3 of them are weirdos in my opinion.
“I don’t think you can find one person who would call me a bad mom” 😭. Lady, you took your children out! You’re the definition!
She’s no lady. She’s a beast.
@@AlaFrigginBama facts!
@@lucetothebridge that is a good point! You are correct!
Once she’s in jail serving life I’ll find her and send her screenshots of all the comments just to remind her of how evil she is and viewed.
She's not a bad mom she's a wicked evil one...
She remembers everything that night, down to the knife, but you don't remember anything about killing your babies. She's not crazy, she's conniving.
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Yes, she is. She killed her kids because her bf didn't want her
NONE of them ever 'remember' doing the crimes they do, even when its fully planned out ahead of time. Its because if they explain what really happened they would look like an absolute monster, because they ARE!
You can have psychotic attacks and be ashamed for what you did. The process in your mind is blacking out the memories due to guilt. That's called dissociation. She can also be both, crazy and conniving.
@mariamuller1056 She has selective memory the bloody murderer, sheknows Exactly what she did and how, the Electric chair should be waiting forn her
I can't imagine the sheer horror of seeing someone that's supposed to protect you, hurting you in such a way and you're helpless. God rest their souls
HE IS AS GUILTY. HE DIDN'T GIVE A 💩. HE TRIED CPR ON " his kid" . That tells me enough. FU** THIS 💩 STAIN !
I can’t imagine what the children went through. The terror of watching your mom do that to your siblings and then come for you. This is beyond sick, beyond evil and it’s so hard to even comprehend.
These videos are SO well made!
- No distracting music
- No dramatization
- Very well edited
- minimal voiceover/captions that precisely highlight important clues
- explains crucial info i.e. interrogation techniques or background info
Thank you
@@seymourdemonica9264 Totally agree. They lean heavily into the "True crime voice" where everything has to be delivered with a grizzled voice. Also everything is a "fateful night/day". They do good work but could do way less on the dramatization, the cases are powerful enough without trying to hit us with the oohs and ahhs.
I can’t stand the watermark in the middle of the screen though. Never seen any other channel do that. It will make me not watch their videos. :(
@@dimattia11people be stealing their videos and not giving them credit, they have to watermark them. there is a whole team of professionals that work on these videos and contribute. they have millions of subscribers and get millions of views, i’d watermark them too
@@only1kristen I get it but it’s annoying to have to look through. They could do it smaller and not in the middle of the video.
@@dimattia11 make it smaller so someone can cover it with a different watermark? that’s literally what people would do.
I'm always astounding at how the killer self- harm's to deflect blame but never enough to kill themselves. The nonchalant manner in the way she spoke to the detective was chilling!
She was likely medicated. She was certainly in a mental health crisis.
Not defending her. Her actions are abhorrent. But armchair detective work is rarely useful.
Absolutely chilling
Because it "hurts" meanwhile they just moidured their entire family in a grueling and painful way.
The Dr. prolly gave her adavan or anxiety meds. I thought it was strange she baby talked about the murder ( I don't know) but talked normal when talking about everything else. Super weird!
Ikr. They obviously know how to kill, but just can't seem to get it right when it comes to themselves. Smh
We should really bring back "cruel and unusual punishments" for people like this.
I can't get poor Lacey out of my head. That poor Babygirl must have been terrified and when I think of how she described how scared Lacey was sitting on a bed watching her "Mother" holding a knife and how Lacey kept telling her she loved her. Until the very end that Baby loved her Mom and thought her love could save her life. To do this to these babies and I can't even have children due to Stage/Case 2 Lupus & PCOS. It really pisses me off!
It's the fourth F that is finally starting to be recognized as a fear response:
Fight: Sometimes verbally, sometimes physically, sometimes legally, sometimes spiritually, etc. Like a dog or bear when you invade its territory.
Flight: Running away, denying what's happening, etc. Like a bird or rabbit when you get close.
Freeze: Don't move. Don't do anything. Like a deer in the headlights, or when you get near an opossum.
Fawn: Give gifts. Say nice things. Use your influence to get someone a promotion. Vote for them. Give them discounts. Don't charge them (financially or legally). Give them what you think they want so they don't hurt you, or don't hurt you as badly, or as often. Humans and dolphins.
ill be ur kid lol
Me either poor baby girl, from her wounds I figure she was tortured by the one she loved the most, my heart is broken
@@andreulu2005 🥰🫂
I'm so sorry you had to deal with that. You're absolutely right - people who shouldn't be allowed to see the sun are doing awful things while deserving people struggle to make a family. I wish you the best ❤
So your wife tells you she’s having thoughts of deleting your children and you allowed her to keep your children 🤦🏾♂️
Yeah bro, that ain't no man..
he doesn't even consider two of them his kids.
HE IS AS GUILTY. HE DIDN'T GIVE A 💩. HE TRIED CPR ON " his kid" . That tells me enough. FU** THIS 💩 STAIN !
Yeah, how clueless is he? 😢😮
"Lacey persistently told her mother how much she loved her" - that makes me want to sob. I have a 7 year old girl. The idea of a poor child knowing how much danger she was in and trying to placate her mother is heartbreaking.
I have a 2yo and 30 times a day she will like walk past or “hug attack” me as she calls it saying “I love you momma” like excuse me this child is my entire life no way would I ever raise my hand to her let alone worse 💯
I've got a young son. When I come home from work it's "Daddy! Daddy! Hi Daddy! Daddy Look!" I get that crazy immense anger sadness sickness just thinking of something bad happening to my kids. My family is very literally my world. This psycho b**** deserves scaphism only after being tortured for days.
That was heart wrenching, bless that baby girl 🙏
@@tarzan9494 Just wait for it...the toddler and preschool power struggles.
Toddler and pre school is heaven compared to pre teen just started menstruation little angel that I love so very much and am terrified at same time:) all stages are tough beautiful fun rewarding challenging and so much more. Anyone that can harm a child in any way doesn't deserve to exist. No measure wouldn't be taken if someone tried to hurt my kids. This is the ultimate in heartbreaking
The first female detective worked her like a pro. I can’t imagine having to look a child murderer in the eyes & say ‘I understand’. That’s a mental strength like no other.
She understands what?
It didn't work. She knew what the detective was trying to do, and gave her nothing.
Because as a woman who has lived with the daily stress most women go thru, we CAN understand. We DO think about it BRIEFLY, but we would NEVER act or plan it. That’s the difference. Understanding is so different than excusing… I can empathize with Jessica feeling psychotic while still condemning her for being so weak and giving into those dark and painful impulses. You can be friends with your shadow without giving in and a lot of these murderers aren’t friends with their shadows. Their darkness takes over because they never give that shadow time to breathe, and then that becomes them… scary to think we’re all capable of this but most of us let it out in small ways so we would never let this become us. I think that’s why most of us like to see them as “evil” when the reality is we are all capable.
RIP those poor poor babies Lacey, Phillip and Christopher. Hope Jessica gets the death penalty and stops wasting our taxes.
@@maybelikealittlebitthat's crazy. Not once have I ever even thought about that in my whole life. I have 6 children. I know stress. That has never crossed my mind
True but we have all broken the commandments and wen we all stand before god to be judged all sin will look the same to him that's why he says we must repent
I can't even imagine the terror the two older ones had to go through. Their mother doing these terrible things to them.
"You won't find one person in this world that would call me a bad mom"
Me: Well here is my address... 😂
I bet that opinion changed after she killed her children.
She literally told two people her thoughts, and they didn't think to do anything about it to protect the kids.... crazy
That was my thought. She's ultimately responsible, but both her ex-husband and boyfriend failed her and the children.
And they are 'their" kidd
I'm so confused. Why did she do this exactly?
What could they have done about it exactly?
@@nellsun2521umm got her psychiatric help. Put her on a three day hold at a facility to be evaluated. They could have stepped up and taken custody, emergency custody. They could have reported her words and behaviors. So much they could have done!
I feel sorry for all the police and medical staff having to deal with this.
They'll never forget.
Not to mention the father to kids
All always have mandatory mental follow-up, but trauma often prevents many from returning to work for a long time or stay in the field. It happened to my EMT friend. He survived two tours as a military medic aboad, but it was a gruesome incident with children 'harmed' that broke him. He went back, but two others never did.
I know me too. They should never have to witness any such.
@@victrola2007😢dang that’s messed up.
My sister is a cop and is pursuing forensics. Last January, there was a hunting accident that resulted in a 6 year old boy being fatally shot in a deer stand. She had to climb up there and bring him down. That has stuck with her. The things they encounter are incredibly taxing emotionally.
About 15 years ago I was suddenly very depressed and for no reason at the time. Everything was going really well for me so it caught me off guard. I felt really odd and not myself at all. I had a nice home and job, a nice custom car I built, but then I finally became very conscious of something going on I had walked out of my house and had walked about 5 miles. I was like how in the hell did I get here? I started back home but struggled to get there. My mind was all messed up. What was it? The next day I had collapsed at a Dunkin Donuts and spent 4 days in the hospital until they did a TTT (Tilt Table Test) and found the problem. Chemical imbalance and lack of potassium and sodium. I often wondered what I did during that 5 miles as I had no memory of it at all.
Your diet must be weak
I had similar happen when my first was 6 months old. Suddenly found myself in my pjs at the trian platform down the road from me. Thankfully no trains came until 7 am and it was around 3.
I started treatment and it was like a flip being switched in my brain. Thankfully my subsequent pregnancies were fine but its terrifying not knowing what your own mind is doing.
Yes chemical imbalances
Can and do cause this
And like you
They have No memory
Unfortunately
That's Not the reason
Here
She Remembers Every
Horrifying Detail of
Her actions
She is Pure Evil 😈
She was having relationship
Problems and Did it to
Get Revenge
Even taking Photos and
Sending them to Him
@@leahw2124. What treatment do you mean? I know someone who has periods of not knowing how, when, where they have been and what has happened during that time.
Post natal psychosis
as someone with BPD since I was a child, it doesnt lead you to murder. She's a monster, plain and simple.
Amen
Straight up, the stigma surrounding bpd is insane. It paints us all as manipulative monsters that’ll take everything you have 😭 I’m like dude pls I’m just rlly emotional
BPD sufferer here, and no way would i ever do this! She's evil!
I think any mental health issue that's left untreated can contribute to someone snapping, but there are almost always warning signs. I wish she would've gotten help, but honestly I think she did all of this because she wanted to hurt her ex and boyfriend, it's a horrible thing to struggle with mental illness, but like you said, it doesn't make you kill someone, she made her own decisions and killed her kids because she was selfish.
I’m hoping the stigma is lessening. Most (nearly all) people with BPD aren’t violent and don’t unalive people.
This murderer just happened to have it. She made selfish, evil choices that were entirely her own and not the “fault” of BPD.
This is heart-shattering. These children have the most beautiful smiles and everyone said they were the sweetest. They didn’t deserve this.
No one ever deserves to die at the hands OF their MAMA
Woke up late today thinking of my young boy and saw this. I can’t comprehend this , that any parent would do something so heinous, so vile & so the opposite of any mother’s duty & role.
@@cindytartt4048 she put her feelings over her children.
No child deserves it!
I would die for my children. I will never understand what drives people to this evil. Never.
She gave herself away when she was talking about the ex husband after the detective told her he’d talked to him. Her whole demeanor changed there for a second and you could hear the satisfaction in her voice that she’d punished him and the baby’s father. She’s pure evil, not crazy.
Yea it reminds me of the case from last year where a guy shot all his girlfriends kids including an infant in a crib because she broke up with him. The cops were crying and almost having panic attacks because of the scene. They caught him at the apartment tho.
Post partum psychosis will make you paranoid. Vindictive and literally do and say things completely evil. I'm not excusing what happened. I'm saying she was psychotic caused by a chemical imbalance in her brain after having the last child. She may have even had post partum with her other 2? She apparently also has BPD NPD and other mental health problems.
@@lovelyladyguido Amazing. There is literally nothing a woman can do in this world, no matter how evil or vile, that another woman won't justify and play defense for. She's a fucking monster, this ain't no PPP bullshit.
@@Avenging_Archer You got that right. Blame it on the men. It's always our fault. 😂
DP only appropriate punishment
So no other Dr. at the hospital that can sew up an incision? Are you kidding me? What the hell kind of medical system do they have.
My sister went home with a c-section incision that wouldn’t fully close. She had a visiting nurse that came daily, though, to check on the incision until it finally closed
Oh dear God this is a horrific story.😢 I have 3 son's and cannot understand how a mother could even think of something like this let alone do it. My middle son, Brock, died tragically at age 35 and the pain in my heart cannot be described. I pray so strongly for the children's family.😢
I am SO very sorry for the loss of your son. May God bless you and your family
She's such a liar. She knows exactly what she did and remembers everything. Also, the fact she told her mother she understands how parents can kill their kids is the biggest warning sign. No way should she have been alone with those children.
And they made sure she got medical attention they should have let that bitch suffer
A coworker once told me out of nowhere that he could understand how men could kill their ex-wives. I gave him such a wide berth after that. He was fired for unrelated reasons a few weeks later and I don't know what happened with him.
I honestly believe she’s dissociated the actual killing part because it’s incredibly emotional, especially if she has BPD.
I have BPD and dissociate on a daily basis. A lot of times I will remember in detail what happens leading up to a extremely emotional moment but the actual moment itself is wiped.
BPD comes with extreme emotions and is very different from ASPD where you lack empathy. Killing your kids is highly emotional for someone with BPD, whether she did it out of anger, sadness, jealously etc.
I even dissociate away happy moments. Everytime I experience an emotion too much it shuts off. It sucks. But like I said, I can remember everything up to it.
What doesn’t make sense is the fact that she claims to not recall writing a letter which was way ahead of the actual killings, but then she remembers things between the letter and killings.
If she were dissociating the entire time she would not remember any of it, but she does, which makes me believe she remembered the letter and knew she was going to do it, but her brain blocked out the graphic parts. Idk if that makes any sense 😅
Yep. Saying you can’t remember means you don’t have to speak aloud what you did and face judgement
The system is built and designed to make sure the kids stay with the women. Whether they are crazy or not. Doesn't matter. If you have male genitalia then you are up the creek when it comes to your kids if you ever want to separate. Unless you can prove 100% without a doubt in multiple ways that she is unfit. It takes a lot for a man to win the children unfortunately. I have known crackheads that don't work that get to keep the kids over the working father who is drug-free. That is the system that is America right now
I can't even imagine the horror and fear and confusion those poor babies felt when their own mother was doing this to them. The one person they loved and trusted, who was supposed to keep them safe. And the desperation the father must had felt when he found them and tried to save the baby. It's absolutely heartbreaking.
They were helpless but they Harley could not "trust" this borderline lunatic because she had never been trustworthy! Children are not idiots and have a better instinct than adults!
@@dianabehr3169They're not idiots, but even abused kids somehow still love their parents.
@@dianabehr3169 You can't use being borderline as an insult against her when she wasn't even diagnosed with it. BPD doesn't make you kill people. This woman had many serious issues and knew exactly what she was doing too. She wanted her boyfriend to suffer. This was truly malicious towards Christopher.
Imagine murdering your children and then turning around and talking shit about the other parent, as if you're not the problem.
Yoooooo how is she blaming him for destroying the family when she is a literal family annihilator
This woman is a malignant narcissist. It is all about her. Her letter is all about her feeling sorry for herself. She never loved those kids. She only loved herself. She killed them just to hurt her ex-husband and current boyfriend. She is just a monster, no excuses.
Exactly! I have witnessed the entire charade that she is putting on many times while working with female offenders. They never accept full responsibility. They always try to push some off on someone else, usually a man. And they tend to get away with doing it.
this remind me of that father kilked his 3 sons infront of his wife to punish her.. these people are just evil
@@jakemenard2593 Because society at large continues to treat and coddle women as if they're children. Nothing is ever their fault, everything they do had to have been provoked, they're always the true victim in a situation, etc etc. The result of a no accountability/responsibility culture.
Do you suppose Chris would agree with you? He said she was a superb mother, and that that was the reason he stayed with her. I tend to avoid the "it was all a lie" narrative when we're talking about a period of time spanning almost a decade.
probably better her genetics don't recirculate into the general population
When they’re talking about her daughter and she says “that’s not why I did it” I think she slipped up right there. She claims that she has no idea why she did it yet she’s sure that that wasn’t the reason. If you truly didn’t know why you did something you wouldn’t be able to rule anything out. I think she screwed up when she said that. It tells me that she knows exactly why she did it.
Definitely, the detective should've straight away asked "why did you do it then?" Not "why do you THINK you did it"
Very smart observation.
Yeah I noticed that too, she knew exactly why
That’s not why I did it, but I don't know why I did it.
I caught that too about the daughter.
I can say it. Spite, her motive was pure petty spite. That letter basically outlines it. And in classic abuser fashion, she blames the murder of her family on Chris for wanting to separate. The classic "you drove me to this, so it's your fault" defense.
As horrible and vile that woman is for doing those evil things to her children.. her boyfriend is a POS for that convo about him only taking care of his own child.
Her condescending attitude talking to the detective is so disgusting. And her switching between not remembering, crying, and than catching an attitude depending on the questions shows she is definitely in control and thinks she can manipulate people to go along with her. Truly despicable human
"he cheated on me, I'm going to destroy his world" is what it boils down to.
At least 50% of all the EWU stories involve (directly or not) cheating.
That being said, it might just be a statistical coincidence. It just so happen that 50% of couple have at least 1 cheating on the other and 100% of murders involve human beings... Therefore, 50% of all murder stories have a cheater... Who knows.
Edit, I just Googled it, it's between 30 and 60% of marriages with at least 1 affair... depressing...
If she does have BPD then those switches are not controlled. Her feelings would change moment to moment based on the topic/question. Not manipulation, but definitely an unhealthy human being who should not have had care of kids.
She sounds so damn whiny too. She’s trying to victimize herself as a way to avoid punishment and feed her ego
It does not surprise me that she doesn’t have any friends.
@@thelourensfamily8048”if”
I grew up with a BPD/NPD mother like that. Once she almost hit me with an axe accidentally, because she wanted to dismember her boyfriend in a drunken, jealous rage. I am astounded, whenever I see videos like these, that I am still alive today. I chose not to have kids, to no pass on the torch, because living with my mother left me emotionally scarred for the rest of my life. Break the wheel.
Wow that's terrible. I'm glad your OK. That scars for life Im Sure.
You are brave and not selfish, you have my respect. If you are able to heal, you can have children.
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I'm sorry about everything you went through 😢😢😢
I am so sorry you lived and experienced that. My grandmother was the same to my mom. She chased her around the neighborhood with an axe when she was five for not laying the table correctly, and a neighbor hid her under the dinner table until her dad got home.
I can remember the 4am phone calls she got every morning with her mom screaming every obscenity at the top of her lungs to her. It took my mom a long time to learn how to say no, but when she did she never went back. She didn't want kids for the same reason you have, but she didn't have a choice in having me. She still broke the cycle. So don't be too hard on yourself ok? Kids are resilient and I wouldn't replace my mom for anyone. (Great name btw)
I cannot imagine surviving the horrors of war and thinking it's behind you and all that remains is PTSD, only to have "war" let loose in your own home by your own partner. The fact a woman could do that to a child, let alone doing that to multiple children. She is despicable and a monster.
I don't think it's always a "mental health" problem. Sometimes people are just evil. They can be incredibly selfish, will refuse to take responsibility for their part in anything, act like a spoiled child, and can't handle that life is not a fairy tale in which you always win. They hide who they truly are until their rage overflows. I keep saying it to anyone and everyone: Perception is not reality.
As someone with a mental illness, i fully believe it can be both. Mental illnesses 100% can influence you to harm others. What makes you evil is when you willingly and knowingly partake in those influences. A good person knows to control themselves and seek help.
I think it can be both
What an evil, manipulative and vindictive b*tch. That letter at the end says it all. She did it to punish him (even though I suspect she had had fantasies of killing those kids for years) and to make him feel guilty for not wanting to be with her. Just heinous! And all that acting to try and blame it on a mental illness was just her way of pretending to be the victim and “insane” so that she could get away with it. That letter gave all the proof of premeditation and there is NO WAY she didn’t remember what she did. She was proud enough of it to send a damn picture! Pure EVIL!!!
Her voice is so fake and annoying …
If you looked intto Postpartum depression. You would realize she killed them because of it. 6 months after birth is still plenty of time to have it. Learn facts before you make assumptions. You sound more heinous then she does with your judgement without knowledge
@@giraffe_113EVEN if she DID have PPD, SHE KNEW she was having those thoughts! She killed the damn dog! Don't give me that sh!t! That's a damn excuse! She's an evil person & the fact that you actually are defending her makes me sus of you..
@@giraffe_113reallly? You must be fuckd up to think a comment is more heinous than killing 3kids,Get Help!
@@giraffe_113 I stand by what I said. It was vengeance and this woman showed no genuine remorse at all. She wouldn’t even admit what she did even when the cop suggested it would save them. This woman is trash.
Every parent involved sucks ass. Don’t be in a relationship with someone if you’re not going to love their kids as well. Don’t say that “you fell in love with Lacey” when you didn’t want them at your house. You’re no man Chris simply put
….and people don’t believe demons are real. Nothing else can explain this level of horror.
I don’t care what “label” she’s under,she’s atrocious and evil , this is so heartbreaking & upsetting!
As someone who has Borderline Personality Disorder I can completely feel all of those extreme feelings she had about being loved and denied. BUT not once in my mind did I ever think about murder to make a point. If anything ( and possibly triggering ) I'd often resort to self harm than anything. I've been sober from ✂️ for over 8 years now, so recovery is possible.
I'm glad you stopped, you're important in this world!! Much love from another cutter ❤❤
I can relate very well. My arms are covered in scars because it was the only answer at the time. Now, people look at my arms and instantly judge me. I get your pain. I still feel pain, but the self-harm has stopped. I hope you're doing well now 🙏🇨🇦
This guys diagnoses are always so suspect. 90% of the time he says they have antisocial personality disorder. Like that's not a catch-all my man.
@@phillipprice43that’s probably why people say you should take everything on the internet with a grain of salt
I thought there's no cure for BPD but it can go into remission? Is that a same thing? My sister is diagnosed with it and I think it's in remission...
"i didn't want to go and look AGAIN"
"I know they were in there, I put them in there"
She remembers EVERYTHING. evil evil creature
Pure Evil 😈
I have boardeeline personality disorder. My dad always told me my diagnosis is not an excuse. I went to therapy for DBT therapy. Changed my LIFE. having BPD is not a valid excuse for ANY kind of violence. EVER.
I think what a lot of people are missing is the fact that there was premeditation involved. it doesn’t matter if she wasn’t in her “right mind”, she straight up wrote a letter saying what she was going to do. not to mention that just because someone is suffering with a mental illness, doesn’t mean their actions are okay, they too should take responsibility. And on top of that, if we take away the tone policing, she only cries when she notices someone watching, she has no clear signs of empathy whatsoever or remorse, not verbally or through body language. she legitimately doesn’t care, she explicitly states she knew why she did it and back tracks when coming to remembering? it doesn’t add up at all. she is just really good at manipulating people.
She definitely planned this whole thing! Just a damn shame.
mental illness is an explanation, not an excuse!
My opinion is she did this out of spite. She was mad, jealous. Still no excuse. She should be hung up.
Correct thank you!
Yeah she definitely planned it. Deserves to rot in jail or a mental institution
This is beyond evil and sickening. Those poor babies didn't deserve this. This gut wrenching case made me weep. There is absolutely no excuse for this and I believe she should get the death penalty.
I absolutely 10000 percent agree. They shouldn’t have let her off even for a deal. She should have been executed regardless. And if there was a way to execute her 3 more times…. Including an execution for the dog… I’d be in full support of it
Anyone who hurts kids should get the death penalty. Especially her and the dad from Ohio and the 19yo who suffocated her newborn
@@maryjane4432why "especially" those people? Simply because those were the ones you knew details about and that made _YOU_ feel bad?? There are plenty of other murderers who have committed crimes just as if not more heinous them those you named and said that they "especially" needed to receive the death penalty.
No she will get worse in prison I promise you
@@PrimateProductionsthey will all get theirs in prison
I appreciate EWU saying that people with BPD aren't typically known to commit violent crimes. It's hard enough living with the disorder, let alone people thinking I'm some kind of psychopath.
I will never be able to understand people like this
Her having BPD will never be an excuse. I have BPD and the thought of ever doing this to my kids absolutely horrifies me. I am actually in tears after hearing what she did. I hate how BPD has such a bad reputation. Having BPD doesn’t make you a murderer.
Omg😢
Your BPD and hers are not the same, and you can never compare your illness to another person's unless you share the same body and same life. I'm not excusing her behavior, but saying "I have x and they have x and I don't act like them, therefore x was not a factor" is an absolutely ridiculous thing to assert.
I completely agree with your viewpoint. It is unfair to generalize an entire group based on the actions of one person. It is valid to assert that having BPD doesn't make someone a murderer, just as being diabetic doesn't make someone prone to violence. Mental health conditions should not be stigmatized or used to justify harmful actions. Additionally, it is important to note that the individual responsible for the tragedy may have exhibited psychopathic or antisocial traits alongside their BPD, further highlighting the complexity of mental health.
Well unfortunately 74 percent of people with BPD commit acts of violence, usually towards family members. So you might not like that stereotype, but it exists for a reason. Meet my mom, who delighted in torturing me as a child. Also, it isn't just violence, there's mental and emotional abuse that family members of BPD have to deal with. I'm glad you don't physically hurt your children, but that doesn't discount the reality of what's happening with the general population of people with BPD.
@@moonchild457Stop comparing yourself with anyone else. Stop shaming people that you don't even know and you have never walked in their shoes. I have BPD and bipolar. I have severe mental illness and without my meds I am a complete wreck, suicidal, unstable and I had violent thoughts towards one of my children. Yes I was severely abused as a child and by my husband.... So if you are stable and healthy, then thank God, others of us aren't...just keep quiet, or better yet, pray and do something positive to help those who are in need.
She can recall every detail including texting a bloody pic and calling her boyfriend to tell him the kids were dead, but can’t remember her other actions. Mmmmm???? My heart goes out for those babies who had there whole lives ahead of them…may they RIP!💔 Thanks for sharing this EWU!
I’m so glad you differentiate between bipolar and BPD. But more importantly, I’m glad you don’t use the BPD to “explain” her actions. I get so tired of people with BPD being painted in a terrible light. I have BPD and I’ve had some very scary outbursts, but I would never harm another person.
Same, I've screamed and have said some hurtful things, but I've never hurt someone 😭😭🤞🤞
I hope your episodes get better man!
@@raeisdumb hey! I’ve tried literally 10 medications and I finally found one that’s made me VERY stable the past 3 years. Trintellix. That in combination with being surrounded by good people has helped. I hope yours get better too!
I love this guy's voice not only is soothing but I learn so much from him too especially from the interrogation videos he breaks down
The audacity of this woman to say "I dont think you could find one person in this world who could say im a bad mom". I couldnt find one to say the contrary
Let me be the first…. "You are a horrible mom". Selfish to say the least.
Well, I mean, her husband said she was an “unbelievably good mom. In the top three.”
Even if parents are wonderful up until the point that they murder or think of murdering their children, that thought or act negates every other good thing. Good parents don't murder or even think of murdering their children. Period.
@@machinegunkellykapoorCouldn't have said it better.
@@Yes_Anastasia let's ask him now
The way her cadence changes when talking about what she did and when talking about her boyfriend and also the fact that she remembers everything about the argument they had but doesn’t remember what she did to her OWN children just shows how much of a monster she is.
Don't marry, or live with, any woman who already has kids. Don't even date them.
I'm a woman and have always lived by that rule;neve date a man with kuds
@@ruthadams6390 Well, sure. I don't know what a "kud" is but it sounds terrible. Is that like a tumor or something?
@@theeclectic2919 If a woman is nearing her 40s and doesn't have kids, there is most likely something wrong with her. Just saying.
@@theeclectic2919 I think it's a typo.If not,it must be a "something"
She wrote that letter so calmly and with such clear hand writing.
Reminds me of an Ex I had. Her voice, her demeanor, everything. Things didn’t work out and I had to cut her out of my life and she wouldn’t accept it. Threatened to kill herself and everything if I didn’t stay with her. Would call me months on end leaving voicemails from work, her kids phones, everything. It’s crazy how much she reminds me of her. Thank god I got away when I did because she was recently 302d and lost custody of her children. Anxious attachment to someone can be dangerous and this is what can come from that.
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Her poor mom probably can’t stop thinking “why didn’t I just take the babies with me”. I can’t imagine 😢
tbe problem is that even if she did the mother would have killed some other time because it clearly was premeditated... poor kids they never stood a chance with that psycho
The thought would drive me insane 🤬 horrible and just sickening
She was totally normal when talking to her mom prior. She remembers exactly what she meant when talking to her mom about women who kill their kids. And she conveniently stops the interview when asked how she understands those women. She killed her kids over a man. She wanted to punish him and she wanted attention, which is why she called to tell him what she did.
It's obvious she is faking being distraught. You can hear the difference between her and her mom. Her mother is clearly trying her best to keep it together, while Jessica is trying to SOUND like she's emotional.
Just like Diane Downs & Susan Smith.😡🤬
Everything you say is right, but she was also very sick, physically and mentally, and overwhelmed. She admits what she did. I think she was sick. Her relationship was toxic and toxic relationships fuel mental health. She needed intervention sadly that didn't happen.
@@shevonnenorman8428oh BS… she is straight up evil and now trying to save her worthless a$$
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Even the grandmother sounds like she is having coffee with her friends 🤬🤬🤬 no emotion.. I think they're all crazy.
Narcissist, me, me,me trying to get a pity party from Chris by blaming it on him leaving her. 🤬🤬
After having my son at 17, and getting into a car accident 3 months after he was born, I had PPD and postpartum psychosis. It’s still such a taboo, and most people are so dismissive about moms having « strange thoughts ». I remember seeing a councillor, and she literally told me “well you created these problems, now you have to deal with them yourself”…cause that’s what a mom who is hearing/seeing things should be told :)
I'm sorry to hear that, but your kids are alive, right?
@@lisat1750 yes absolutely.
The fact that Lacey repeatedly told her evil witch of a mother that she loved her in terror before she was murdered…my heart. How can such monsters live among us? 💔
Human potential for great and unspeakable things is sadly quite unlimited. Like if there's a story like this and one would think, surely there can't be anyone worse than this, someone will step up to the challenge, or has already and we don't know it yet.
Was that in the video?? I don't remember hearing that that is devastating
@@PeacheIIe yes it was in the first half I believe
Lol among us
I wish I could punch and beat the shit out of this monster… to do this to these babies… it’s so gut wrenching
I might buy that this was some kind of psychotic break that she couldn't remember IF her boyfriend wasn't in the middle of trying to break up with her. Considering the first thing she did was call the boyfriend and send pics of the crime scene, I'm much more inclined to believe she was trying to hurt him.. I'll go ahead and say it Jessica, considering you think no one else will, you're a bad mother.
Edit: I just heard what she said about her ex husband and how he should feel guilty for not seeing the kids. I was originally wondering why she would kill the other 2 children if she was trying to hurt the boyfriend, but obviously she was trying to hurt BOTH men. She knew exactly what she was doing and is an absolute monster.
Right?! 😭
The worst monster there is.
Just another modern day man hater. Typical 21st century woman.
@NeverDoneHomestead Yea it's pretty unimaginable to think a mother could do this just to get back at a couple men, but sadly, the killing of people's own children has become more and more common. It's horrifying
You are 100% correct. She's a narcissist. She may have BPD. But the post-partum diagnoses which weren't diagnosed by a mental health professional that purely conjecture on the part of the narrator.
It sounds like she doesn't have any diagnoses when it comes to her mental health. I'll give her one: F**king B***H! I don't think that's in the DSMV though it should be along with AH and SOB.
She remembers everything. Conniving on a different level.
She doesn’t seem too “distraught” while describing her crime to the cop. In fact she seems rather calm and articulate 😡
As someone who works clerical in the medical field, I cannot imagine someone's c-section wound opening up and the hospital just being like "Your doctor is not here. There's nothing we can do."
Even if her doctor was gone and every other doctor in the hospital or clinic suddenly dropped dead, the staff would have insured that she got treatment even if it meant calling an ambulance to take her to another hospital.
I know right?! I was so taken back by that statement like I wonder if mom was actually there or if that’s what Jessica told her happened. The hospital can be held liable for that so it’s bizarre if it really happened 😖
EXACTLY. I wouldn't imagine a hospital EVER letting someone go like that because of how MASSIVE the lawsuit would be. I'm sure there's exaggeration on how "open" the scar was or something else. People with BPD are known for being liars, so I wouldn't be surprised if the truth was stretched or just not the truth at all
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Honestly after watching this whole episode I wouldn't be so surprised if she deliberately caused the infection and ripped the stiches to get Christophers attention
I’m a nurse . I can imagine it. No one cares anymore, esp not the medical/ nursing profession
A bit controversial but women, mothers are capable of being evil, it's not always depression and Post Partum Psychosis.
Not controversial at all. Just true
“Your misogyny is showing 😤🫵🏽”
No shit. How's that controversial lmao we're all human.
People just don't expect women to be violent I think that's the thing. Everyone's capable of murder
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Man i love your videos. I wish you'd mention of these murderers are taking any pills and what kind. Especially these who say they dont if or why they did commit murder
This is the one documentary I couldn’t get myself to watch it’s so sad and upsetting to hear this happened RIP to the kids
If you want a one-sentence response from her to tell you exactly what kind of woman she is it's this:
Her response to the detectives asking if the two children were alive after she put them in their room..
" well obviously they were if the baby still has a pulse"
The vitriol in her voice knowing that even one of the children might end up surviving her selfish awful attack is just so mind-blowing. Any normal human being claiming that they still love their children after they attacked them this way is beyond comprehension. She even sounds frustrated that the baby survived. What a Fμ€K¡NG monster
Timestamp is @19:07 Seconds
Yeah I picked up on that too. Disgusting
she remembers everything including the knife but then she forgets, and also its so fucking annoying when people do shit like this and then they say “i could never imagine doing that” ?!?!? like not only did your crazy ass imagine it YOU DID IT
you can hear how she shifts between 'grief' and then total disregard for the children. Just...disgusting.
Her goal was to hurt the fathers.
If your hatred for the father overrides your love of your kids you’re not insane. You know exactly what your doing.
Dark cruel wicked female. Don't have words to describe her.
Well men who wants to bring children in the world back to back knowing what it does to a woman’s body and mental health and then decides to leave instead of getting them into a treatment is part to blame.
@@CAPTINjacksparrow yes the woman murdered her children but years ago a man hurt her and he is partially responsible. REALLY!!!! SMH most ridiculous comment I have seen in awhile.
@@philster6383 you must be a man boy who doesn't take responsibility in one's actions.
@@philster6383 must not believe in abortion either.
Some people in the house may be hurt what a strange thing to say after she told him the kids are dead
I think that’s because he truly didn’t think she would ever really hurt any of them. He said he thought she killed maybe the dog or something until he actually got there and walked in. 🤷♀️ I thought it seemed strange though how calm both guys were for just finding out their kids had been brutally murdered by their mom.
"To this day, they still do not know why she did it." Apparently, what all those doctors really need is a license in COMMON SENSE! She said why in her journal. Her ex-husband didn't spend enough time with his children, her boyfriend cared more about his child, the baby boy. She felt like everybody could come and go and do whatever they wanted while she was the one who did 90% of the responsibility. It was the ultimate act of revenge. Women in prison serving time, for whatever their crime, say the hardest part is missing their children. They don't take kindly to baby killers. They will not only make her life a living hell, but make her wish she should have taken the death penalty.
Same in male prison. Children are missed sorely and people that are child killers aren't looked at favorably at all. Hopefully they make her stay in prison a long and hellish one.
Good.
The b basically had a privilege life they always do and killed her kids. Grow up and she did have help, her mother helped her with the kids.
I love how other inmates, possibly killers too, pretend to have any morals and getting angry about others killing children lol
@this-is-bioman morality is subjective. Sometimes, thieves have more honor than people like you.
Hearing her say "everyone would tell you I am a great mother" made my skin crawl. A good mother would never harm their children under ANY circumstances, let alone murder them. She clearly did this to get Chris`s attention and hurt him for hurting her and wanting to leave her. Not to mention her weird feelings that her ex husband would not care because he "didnt come around". She deserves the death penalty.
I believe there is no such thing as a good mom. Every parent has good things and bad things In their personality. While this lady is absolutely crazy and most cases aren't this extreme, there are very few if any people who have not a single thing they wish their parents would change or apologize for.
@@affectingsolidMy Parents are were amazing. I had the BEST childhood. And now they are amazing grandparents to my kids and my husband has amazing parents too. I absolutely adore my in laws. So not everyone has childhood trauma 😂I mean I don't live in the US maybe there's that. 🤷♀️
@@nataliekenny7490 I'm not talking about trauma itself but you can't tell me there's not a single opinion or action or belief of your parents' that you would change if you could. Whether that be them working too much and having a demanding job or them not pursuing their own lifelong dreams. My mother was wonderful, but labeling things as with good or bad ignores that there is both in every situation and person. I'm coming at this from a philosophical perspective, but yeah being in america I have watched a lot of my friends live through childhoods that I just could not.
@@affectingsolidyes you absolutely can summarize and describe someone as good even though they may have a few less than desirable qualities. No one is ever perfect. Nothing is, really.
I cannot believe that you don't ever label someone or something as good or bad based on an overall experience. This is how the world works and describes people, places, things, and feelings.
If you can't, then maybe you need to get yourself checked out. Are you on the spectrum? Do you have depression?
@@AlwaysCheckmateNeverStalemateow maybe you need to get checked out this is extremely rude. Alot of people view others this way because humans are on instinct selfish greedy creatures so you look at them neutral. Example you are rude for no reason expect you don't agree with someone but we didn't know till now.
Parents committing revenge killings on their children to get back at their spouses are some of the worst people in the world. I hope she gets what's coming to her in prison, because if it gets out about what she did, then I doubt she will be there for long.
This is exactly what type of killing it is. She was angry he was not going to babysit the children and she’d have a night out with her friends, drinking. In her mind, she thought, “ oh yeah, you son of a bitch, you don’t want to come and watch your kids, you just wait and see, because you’re not gonna have any kids to watch ever again!”
It is likely he was an SOB, and he probably did her a favor when he decided not to continue the relationship. A lot of men impregnate women, make babies and leave them to their mother to primarily take care of them. In the meantime, he is able to go out and about, and conduct his life as if he is single. Unfortunately, too many women handover their identity and require their boyfriend’s or husband’s validation even to exist. The issue I take with her is, women are more knowledgeable today than ever about single motherhood and turbulent relationships. The rising number of how many women are left to raise children on their own, and what the success and divorce rates are of couples today is common knowledge. This is why when you already have two children and you are starting a new relationship, it does not require you to get pregnant anytime soon, because you haven’t had even enough time to see if you two will last, never mind add an innocent newborn infant into the equation. There are higher rates of violent crimes among every day people than there is among people with mental health issues. To believe one must be crazy to commit a heinous crime, involving multiple victims is not indicative of a mental health defect. To wrap it up, lol. I belong to the school of thought which believes she was completely sane during the violent attack on her children. The women who turn on their children to get back at a spouse is more common than we think. Revenge is as old as time. She is an absolute liar, claiming she doesn’t remember the individual attacks on her children, but able to remember the facts that bolster her innocence, and she is completely void when it comes to her actions which will put her away in prison for the rest of her life. She is your typical, garden-variety, and poor excuse of a mother, who believes she is entitled to a better life, and the life she was leading was full of responsibility, she believes, he was supposed to have more responsibility for. She is far from the first woman to find out how difficult, stressful and a lot of times, lonely life is when you are the primary parent responsible for the lives of the children, you brought into this world. Like most of us know, it takes little to nothing to become a mother, but it takes a patient, loving, unselfish and responsible woman to be your Mom. RIP precious 👼👼👼…
well when her happiness is the be all and all this is what you get.
Right if she wanted to "punish" the dads and didn't obviously care that much for the kids, why not just send them back to their dads for full custody? Sign away your rights and leave if you really hate them all and don't want the responsibility. You don't have to be violent or kill anyone, holy hell 👀
@@jhoughjr1
I found out recently the phrase is "be all, end all" or "end all, be all".
Just thought you might wanna know! 😊
And another I learned is, "for all intents and purposes"...
(I had thought it was "for all intensive purposes". Lol😂)
I hope she’ll be there long, getting beat up often. She’ll live the way she ended those poor kids lives. That to me, is justice.
Unpopular opinion but, I feel for the mother too. Obviously, my heart is shattered about the children. But this woman was diagnosed with mental illness, she had a lot on her plate & PPD is no fucking joke. She needed help, signs were missed. You hear her ex husband say she told him she was having bad thoughts about hurting the kids, then the dog dies? No one took it seriously. She knows she fucked up, she just doesn't know why. You don't hear her trying to say she didn't do it. Not like in other interrogations of murderers. At the end of the day, she is human. Bi-polar, new baby, PPD, not a super supportive partner (who might be cheating?) It adds up. None of these are excuses for what she did, there's more to this story than any of us will ever see, though. PPD along with a complicated post delivery, it does damage. PPD is very real & more women need help. I just wish healing for all involved. May those babies rest in peace. Check in on your new mom friends, they're under more pressure than you know.
😮💔💔 This is one of the most shocking stories I have seen.. !!!! Horrific.... Absolutely terrible 💔😢❤️❤️ Love from 🇧🇻🇧🇻
The snarky comments about her husband not seeing his kids are downright evil. I hope she finds comfort under the prison.
Women and accountability are like oil and water
Well the husband should've cared about his kids. That is real life.
@@truthteller9071 Who says he didn't? She just murdered her kids to get back at her boyfriend and can't help but to trash her husband. The lack of perspective on her part is disgusting, and even if he was a crappy absentee father that's a far cry from the evil she committed.
@@ACVRG1 dont group the entirety of women with being unable to own up to mistakes or failure
@@ACVRG1Oh for heaven’s sake, stop with the women-hating nonsense. There are plenty of bad apples of both sexes. What about that man who killed his 3 kids not that long ago?
The bathub killing and the broken shower door frame was proof that there was a struggle. Also that poor baby clawing her own neck trying to free herself from choking..... insaneee
I don’t think she was “crazy” at all because she remembered EVERY Detail . She just chose to have selective memory when it came down to the actual important stuff which was the murder. I can’t imagine what that poor little girl went through because she called out for her mommy just for her to harm you .
Idk how these men can talk so calm…
Omg!!! That beautiful little girl constantly telling her, " i love you mommy" . The fear and confusion that little girl must of gone through.. just broke me
I have serious doubts that this is postpartum psychosis, but even if it were, she's a monster through and through. She did this to get back at her boyfriend, bottom line. Andrea Yeates, who absolutely had postpartum psychosis, has been in prison for I don't know how many decades. When they wanted to release her she refused. She understands the horrific nature of what she did to her children. Her, I actually have some empathy for. This lady, "I don't know what happened to the children. I don't know if I did it." Bullshit. She planned it because her man was about to leave her.
This was definitely not ppp. Ppp killings don't happen for revenge, women who kill their kids bc of ppp generally don't realize they're doing it and it's always based on delusions. Like they believe something like their baby is actually a demon imposter and killing "it" is the only way to save their baby. They often snap out of it later, usually in a hospital bc they hurt themselves too, and start asking where their child/ren are not realizing she killed them. It's truly a horrific thing. These women genuinely love their babies and would normally never even think about hurting them and often have delusions that lead them to believe that they're actually helping their child/ren, not killing or hurting them. A revenge killing isn't done bc of delusions, unless the reason for needing revenge is a delusion itself. Ppp is too often used as an excuse where it's not actually the case.
It pisses me off how many women try to use ppp as a defense where it clearly wasn't the case, bc it makes real cases of ppp seem like any old type of murder and makes it harder for those women to fight their cases properly
@@BriEMcNyes I agree with you.
Thankfully it's not up to you to decide if someone has postpartum depression. It can strike anybody at any time for any reason.
@@HikingFeral Killing someone let alone your kids and using PP depression is an excuse plain and simple, Thousands and thousands of women make it through PP depression without killing anyone
I thought I was watching the footage of the man who took his three young boy's lives. I had to go back...now I'm restarting watching this again.
her note was heartbreaking, just knowing she was going through something mentally challenging that she couldnt get help for. she blamed her boyfriend, sick. rip to all those babies and i hope the rest of the family is doing okay 💗
I was raised by a borderline woman who also needed help. Nothing about this case surprises me, after what I survived. She even killed our dog. I’m only terribly sad for the kids, who could’ve been my siblings.
EDIT: I can tell you exactly why she did this. She wanted to hurt Chris and Phillip-the men who “abandoned” her-in the worst possible way. She laid the entire crime at Chris’ feet *in writing*. My mom used us to hurt our dad all the time. We were just lucky enough to make it out alive.
Borderline, knew it
I’m so sorry for the pain you must have endured
Borderlines and functioning society honestly don't seem to mix (and saying this would send them into one of their episodes 🙄).
Wasn't that woman who killed the father of her child and then jumped off a cliff with their baby in her arms a borderline? They're just too messed up in the head.
@@adolfussmith1012Woah, there's a lot of people who are borderline who don't do anything even close to this. Wth is this comment
@@adolfussmith1012 So um… I'm diagnosed borderline and could never bring myself to harm another unless they've harmed someone I love or to protect someone who needs it. I am borderline due to past severe trauma and coped with drug use and blocking it out all together. Does this make me “just too messed up in the head.”? I'm sorry to see you believe this to be true. Take care.
This woman had violent thoughts for *years* and she wrote that letter in advance. This was premeditated, cold-blooded, and pure evil. I'd believe post-partum psychosis if her behavior suddenly changed after the baby was born, but this wasn't new. Her family just didn't believe that she'd actually do it.
I’m a first time mom w a newborn he’s only a month old. I get frustrated and I deal with postpartum depression but nothing could ever make me hurt my baby. The thought has come to my mind and it scares me to even have the thoughts. I can’t imagine acting on those type of thoughts
JFC !! 😮 If you Have Actually Had those “Thoughts” Already,. Get Help Now!!! If you can Imagine it, It Can Happen!! “Frustrated” ALREADY with a one month olD !?! Lawdy lady your “Frustrations” have Only Just Begun!!! Raising another Human is LIFELONG. You Should have started with a puppy… or a fish. 🐟 😢🫣 🙏💙
Those poor babies 😭😭😭😭 I hope she never dies and has to live with what she's done forever torchering her mind 24/7!! I pray for her mom and family. What a horrible loss. Losing your grandchildren like that is awful!! 😭😭
I was abused, publicly humiliated, cheated on & left by my son’s dad. I never had any thought to harm my son because of the crappy situation I put myself in. I took my L & learned my lesson! Those poor children had to witness the one person in the world that they’re supposed to be able to trust harm them. 😢
U traded your L for a W! Good on ya!
Absolutely not!!!! I took my kids and RAN!!!!! Those are MY babies.
Same, no matter how awful and manipulative of a woman my daughters mother might be, hurting my daughter is unfathomable.
@@m1ssjujuI see it as God’s protection so it’s definitely a blessing in disguise.
@@carieevans3787Good job mama! Protect those babies & yourself by all means. ❤
She slipped at times. First, she'd say she didn't remember (in a croaking fake cry voice). Then she'd answer a question that proved she absolutely remembered (and did so with a regular voice). Cold-blooded.
Her hatred for her boyfriend and husband was greater than the love for her kids. 💔
I remember suffering from postpartum depression and i didnt even know it at the time. it was yr 1990 i had just given birth to my 1st born Son i was a very young mom always crying my son father was very abusive both mentally and physically my life had no meaning or purpose.i had no support or friends. It was the worst feeling ever. I thank God i started going to church thats what helped me get through it. I pray those going through this get help reach out to someone sometimes a stranger will help more than a family member reach out to anyone even if you dont know them, just talk to someone it can be life changing. Im here if anyone's needs to talk . God bless ❤🙏
So Philip Sr knew she had these thoughts of killing his kids and he did nothing for her and most importantly his kids. He's part responsible horrible man and father 😡
Judging by the letter it seems to me that she did this to get back at Chris. And in my opinion it was pretty well premeditated. Absolutely unbelievable. Rip three little angels. Thank you EWU Crime Storytime ⭐
I can say with a fair certainty that Jessica purposefully murdered those kids and intended to end her life and make Christopher pay and feel remorse by witnessing her dying, or at least attempting to die while he was there. She wanted to hurt him completely and even told him he destroyed their family. The letter tells it all and doesn't indicate that she had an "episode.' She knew what she was doing and it was completely premeditated. Granted, she may have had Borderline Personality Disorder, but the decision to kill her kids was something I guarantee she remembers, no matter how much she wants to fool everyone into thinking she's blocking it out. Her letter is snarky by saying "I hope you'll be happy in your new relationship with Brandy' and wanted to make sure he knew it was his relationship with Brandy that sealed their coffins. There's no doubt in my mind she wanted Chris to pay. The only thing that backfired for her was that she was hoping she'd have the courage to take her own life as well, but ultimately, she failed. The police used nonlethal weaponry to subdue her. She only cut herself just enough to drip blood all over the house and to elicit some sort of horror from Chris when he saw it was all over the floor (most likely her own blood judging by the traveling drips) Lacey had no stab wounds, and the means of killing the kids was primarily ligature and strangulation. Jessica probably walked all over the house deliberately dripping everywhere just to make the house look horrifying. Her mother had already offered to take the kids for the night, so she can't even use the excuse that the kids would still be alive if he'd wanted to watch all 3. At that point, she already had it in her head that she was going to kill her kids and take them with her, then end her own life, but not before her husband came home, looked her in the eyes and realized he actually had destroyed the entire family (as she described in her letter). This was a murder suicide gone wrong. But since she wasn't able to kill herself, she realized she was now stuck with the prospect of having to live without her kids anyway, and she was STILL going to lose Chris. At that point, she just melted into a pity party of denial and decided she'd play the "I can't remember any of it' card.
At some point she made a decision that if she didn't get to keep the hubby she loved. He couldn't have the kids he adored
Wow, this was amazingly said!
I agree with this.
Though of course we'll never really know.
Post partum psychosis does happen but from what I recall from other 'stories', it doesn't tend to look like this. She seems too lucid. IMO! xD
I have borderline personality disorder... and 100% functional as well as a pleasure to be around. Self control is lost usually with drugs and meds about 99% of the time. They merely just hold a persona that they think everyones wants to see but the control over their life was lost long ago. Acting for so long makes these psychos snap. They just get tired of it cuz its like a jail they know they keep themselves in but dont know how to get out and when they do break out it looks like this. Not usually this bad but thats what's sad, it's a another bad example of what this world is full of. Troubled people on weird ass drugs and alcohol.. Smoke some organic weed and go to bed already people....
@@donnawilliamson6842 *husband
As a new father... this brought me to tears. I couldnt imagine living through this. Tbh, i dont think i could.
I don't know if this woman was suffering from a serious mental illness or was just evil, but there was a great amount of responsibility from the men in her life. One had a new family and neglected his own children even though he knew their mother had been an addict and had spoken about killing them, and the other who was raising her two oldest kids with her told her he wasn't willing to babysit "her" kids, as if he had no feelings for them, as if they were a burden. He also knew she probably killed the dog and was mentally unstable. Where is the love for the kids and the will to protect them?? What are these men's priorities?
How is she even able to talk?? And not be a complete mess, anxiety ridden … I mean the way she talks about it and how angry she gets when talking about the BF. This is absolutely chilling. Her handwriting is pretty neatly written, too. Not shaky & in distress. It’s like she was calm about the murder. Those poor babies 😭😭😭😭
Bc she is psychotic
Psychopaths become calmer after murdering people, it's a release for them.
People with Borderline or well, just plain evil people, can be amazing at convincing themselves that they didn't do anything wrong, or rather that they are in the right of doing what they did.
Like this "mother", she wrote down how it's perfectly fine for her to leave the world but not without dragging her kids with them and it wouldn't be a big deal to the father.
So instead of doing the more decent thing and only minecrafting herself she wanted to cause maximum pain while only thinking about herself. A wicked witch indeed.
Right?!?! Ice cold. If I went into psychosis for some bizarre reason and God forbid hurt my children they better have me strapped on a bed in a padded room in a high security nuthouse because not even Jesus himself would stop me from ending myself out of absolute despair. Ugh, just thinking about it makes me queasy 🤢
That is mental illness. They disassociate.
It is important to know that some people's evil deeds are NOT always driven by mental illness but by evil itself, please remember this when sentencing this woman. I suffer with Bi-polar for nearly 30 years and I would NEVER dream of doing what this evil witch has done
I’m so tired of mental health problems being the only cause for evil. Some people are just sick fucks. Many people just are not meant for the civilized world.
Everyone that has a mental illness isn’t the same just because a psychiatrist or therapist or psychologist says so and some stupid dsm standard says so
I have apparently been DX bipolar 2. Do I or ever have I felt like DTO ? No but we all are not the same I actually think she SNAPPED!
Just fyi. This event and subsequent sentencing took place years ago...
That's right i hate it when killers blame their upbringing on their deeds, i was abused as a child and i have autism too, but there's no way i'd even consider killing someone. the only 2 reasons for taking a life one would be to protect an innocent party or self defence, there is no other excuse for taking anyone's life
This actually breaks my heart. I have bpd and ANY mental illness not treated right and without any support is asking for trouble. 1 year ago I would never think of hurting someone… that changes and it gets worse. get help while you can and don’t be in denial of your own issues because you will destroy yourself and those around you ❤
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The letter says it all, she wanted to punish him for eventually leaving her, just like Chad Doernan. The difference is that he was pleased with the result and didn't hide it from police he was calm as a pic-nic sunday! But this woman had such a rage that she opted to play victim "i don't remember , poor me" card to get the attention and the empathy she didn't obtained from Chris. Such a narcissistic monster!
This is no mother this is a monster. The way she was so casually speaking with the detective was chilling to listen to. My heart breaks for the poor children, may they rest in peace. 🙏
After being with my partner 19 years and 11 months I found out they had another relationship behind my back. The texts and emails were gut wrenching, everything I needed over the years I wasn’t getting this person was giving to someone else and lying to me. Using me for my income. I thought that shit was gonna kill me. I think I wanted to in way. Im tearing up writing this, it was only 3 months ago. I remember all my thoughts and emotions running wild. I thought about killing this person in some last grand stand but in the end I packed up my shit and left. That person after nearly 20 years didn’t try and stop me and didn’t protest, just let me walk out the door and out of their lives and poof 20 years of my life-gone. It still hurts I’m working on myself and they officially became a couple. I left my home the new car I bought and everything else except my personal belongings and the older car. Y’all it hurts ngl I had so many crazy thoughts but at the end of the day it’s not worth it. It takes more strength to walk away than to destroy your life by making a choice u can’t take back and giving ur future away to the system.
That's fucked up dude, i hope you'll stay strong.
So sorry you are going through this. What a f-ing a-shole!!
I would of burned everything I brought to the ground unless I had kids there that's why I stay single 😂😂😂😂😂
maintain your liberty like any sane person. Stay strong
No one cares… Everyone wants to chime in with their own experiences… Feel free not to do that…
So tragic and sad. It's however more complex. Mothers suffering from postpartum psychosis sometimes hurt or kill their children, but the law isn't sure how to separate illness from intent. I think if she would have received treatment for her mental illness this could have been prevented. Unfortunately people are unstandably not educated on this and ignore all the warning signs. In this case there were many.
I just came here to comment this: people suffering from BPD sometimes do experience episodes of mania. They are markedly different than bipolar episodes,which I have also had. I can actually tell the difference between the 2 after a handful of both (at different times). Bipolar episodes usually include feelings of grandiosity, reduced need for sleep etc etc. In a BPD episode, those feelings of grandiosity usually aren't present, although many of the of other symptoms overlap. I personally went from non drinker to alcoholic status for about 2 weeks to try to mask my bpd episode, it felt that awful. I never did this with a bipolar episode, because I feel on top of a mountain then. But I am not just speaking from personal experience. My Healthcare team which at times has been extensive, have confirmed or were the ones to break the difference down. Didn't come here to argue with pros, but I guess I sort of am. Because the disorder is often brought up in these videos, and the misrepresentation is uncomfortable.
Both fathers speak so calmed, casual, and one even chuckled at one point. I'd be devastated.
Especially after he called 911 and was like “yep” and remained too calm after seeing photo of blood! 😮
It's a shock response
@@kimberlymartin7498 Both father's? Doubt it. They were both very called and casual, during and after. They did not act as a person in shock would. Watch all their interviews and listen to all their calls.
Well the one guy was in the military and was riding in a car trying to stay calm. That's why he said "drive normal, drive normal". He's trying not to freak out.
yup. They both come across as complete jerks. Chris absolutely was by telling her that "her" kids had to leave the house. I'm willing to bet money he said stuff like that all the time. All 3 of them are weirdos in my opinion.