traditional media outlets are catching onto the "you own nothing" culture shift
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Now buying a laser printer, it is cheaper to buy a new printer when you run out of toner than new toner.
HP printer, $250 with 4-toner cartridges. 4 new cartridges at the same print page level (this one has 3 tiers) would cost $270.
Buy a b/w laserprinter, use 3rd party cartridges and just don’t print color.
Printing color is overrated.
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It never jams, you can scan relevant mail that you need to send to your lawyer/accountant quickly, you can print out whatever you need to print. Whether a shipping label, a contract, a tax form, etc. It's beautiful.
When do you honestly need to print color? Are you really printing photos in your home? Book covers? Fancy posters? Fancy greeting cards? Be honest, you never do that. It just sounds cool to be *ABLE* to do that and then you get stuck with a shitty inkjet printer you spend $40 to refill that runs out after a few hundred pages, jams, has ink issues, etc... fuck all that.
Of every person I know that has a color inkjet in their house, 0 of them have photos on their wall that they printed out from their inkjet. and every one of them fucking hates their printer.
Black & white laser printer with a scanner that never jams or screws up or errors out will make your life amazing. If you buy that with a set of toner, & you're not running a business I damn near guarantee it'll last a lifetime.
@@rossmanngroup thanks! Not only are you a voice for change but you give us links for the change.
What HP doesnt tell you is that the new printers comes with like 50 pages worth of ink (probably 200 pages worth but software locked) i own a older brothers printer and buy third party ink that lasts 2500 pages. Screw HP!
@@rossmanngroup I have almost that exact same model just without the automatic feeding scanner, and it's been working flawlessly for years. Well, I've had connection issues, but even those have been much better than any other printer I've owned in the past.
The fact that my 3d printer is cheaper and far more reliable than my paper printer is absolutely insane.
Literally LMFAO
I have seriously looked for a low end laser engraver with the idea that i could use it to engrave(print) text on paper without any kind of ink/toner. Not really found one that fits the bill yet.
Just 3d print paper
Because the idea and backend/fw is open sourced. 3DPs just caught on at the right shift.
Even then companies like makerbots hold a crapload of patents so you're stuck with more or less the same fdm formats unless they give up on patents (fat chance) or some chinese company middlefingers them
Honestly just get a laser cutter for wood or metal and write everything on boards of wood or sheet aluminum
We need a "dumb product" brand. Only sells dumb products. Dumb cars, dumb printers, etc.. Nothing that can be altered in any way without physically putting hands on it.
I found this out years ago when I tried to buy an iPhone at the store and couldn’t find a price tag anywhere. They only post monthly payments, and when the employee found out I was paying cash they didn’t seem so eager to help anymore lol
I don't mind the monthly payments for phones when you can get good deals. In my case, we got the """""free""""" phones from tmobile with a plan we were going to pay for anyway. In most cases I would still prefer to own, but I care so little about my phone that if it's """""free""""" I can livw with not owning it for 2 years
@@threemar3 once these phones are paid off are you able to use them with other carriers (at&t, verizon, tracfone, ect.)? Because in my experience these "deals" are VERY restrictive to keep you a paying customer. I spent a TON of money for my iphone so i could use any carrier. I will take care of this as if the phone was my child.
Apple is trash lmao
People who sell phones usually work purely on commission, and commission is only paid on contracts. Outright purchases don't pay them anything.
Don't do business with Apple ew
Yeah, I refused to do that whole HP instant ink thing. I refill my cartridges myself and they don't like that and try to block them from being used, but I watched TH-cam and it tells you how to unblock them. Saves me thousands in ink
Very based
The moment when you realize the 20 year old printer sitting in your closet might be worth it's weight in gold.
Yeah, RS232 works great.
always buy secondhand old printers because if they kept up until that point its gonna double
Unfortunately, the same story may be true of our cars in the very near future. Upcoming mandates in the USA will require all new vehicles to allow full remote control and monitoring of the vehicle and driver telemetry data (e.g., interior cameras, drunk/impaired driver detection, remote kill switch, etc). I like my old, beat-up 2001 Ford F150 more and more every day... no telemetry or 5G in that old pig! 🤣👍
@@QuasiMotard By 2030, the production of new gas cars will be banned in the EU. We will all have to drive surveillance devices on wheels, it's awesome.
@@QuasiMotard can't happen. Too many other laws they'll have to attempt to overcome and not to mention it'll be challenged immediately.
Media Then: "Its just a conspiracy theory."
Media Now: "Its a good thing, and start eating the bugs too."
To be clear I still think the entire _"klaus schwab saying you will own nothing and be happy"_ thing as if he is the one behind it all is bullshit. Yeah he might've said it but this shit started LONG before he opened his mouth.
I think it is hundreds of companies realizing that getting you on a recurring revenue bundle(the rundll) where you are perpetually paying for shit forever rather than buying it and being done, is more profitable. Companies immediately begin trading at a higher P/E when they implement a recurring revenue bundle.
I strongly disagree with the idea that there is one dude or five dudes at the top in a smoky room pulling the strings of everyone to do this. It's just something that gradually came to be as
a) people decided convenience was more important than ownership
b) people accepted recurring revenue bundle stuff
c) companies made more money doing it
so
d) more companies started doing it
If your competitor starts making 3x as much profit and trades at 5x higher market cap, do you need some WEF person to tell you to implement subscriptions/DRM/etc to get you to do it to make more money? Or do you just do it because someone else started doing it and it WORKED?
This can all happen, and all suck, without it being a conspiracy, or a centralized effort by a small number of people. He noticed a trend; one that, by the sound of the comments in my last video, a lot of people are actually IN FAVOR OF! How many people commented that they aren't allowed to install applications onto their $1500 computer, AND ARE HAPPY?
It boggles the mind. but it's the direction we're going in, and a direction enough of us are happy with that it's not going to stop. It makes me fucking sad, but it's the truth.
when you can't make money by innovating, you have to figure out a way to make it somehow. whether it's cost cutting in the supply chain to the point that having a real repair network is impossible, making shit only work with your products, getting people to pay monthly for stuff they used to just buy, etc.
Stop posting and eat your bug burger...
@@rossmanngroup so I’m assuming you didn’t watch a single WEF conference did you? Lol where you think all these companies got the idea from? you are only half right Louis. I also agree it isn’t just Klaus but this whole movement is definitely centralized. Do more research into WEF and davos, Youl be horrified.
@@rossmanngroup If the entire economy starts running like a mobile game, you can count me out
@@middleway1704 he didn't , also looks like the WEF yt channel finally turned comments off - i guess they got tired of their sh-t being shoved in all the time.
I remember back in 2006 when my wife was studying and needed to print a lot.
her parents had given her this all in one device that stopped printing after less than 200 pages.
I got tired of paying $40-$50 for a new cartridge every two weeks and got this huge HP laserjet 2000 at some clearance sale.
this was a different era of HP naturally.
not only did the single toner cartridge last us for four years, but I learned how awesome a network printer can be.
I had never worked in an office so being able to send a print order from a laptop to an independent unit via wi-fi was like living in a science fiction book.
this was 17 years ago.
it's saddening that things have only gone worse since then.
Owning an HP printer has been a nightmare. The last one I had, I put my foot through when after about 3 hours of troubleshooting, downloading and redownloading software, swapping cartridges', etc. it finally printed my document but when I went to the next document, the printer refused to print. I have another printer I got for Christmas that doesn't work half the time, but I got it for free so I can't complain.
I am definitely investing in a laser printer, I never knew such a thing existed.
I had a hp printer and it was more the time i was trouble shooting to print my docs waisting ink printing test pages to print perfectly so i gave up and brought a lazer printer and im happy now!
No, you should complain. Your friend/family member tried to get you something and got scammed in the process.
When I was in sales, I was told by a manufacturer “we sell ink, not printers”. And it has never changed.
Working at Petsmart over a decade ago I was told we sell the animals at a loss but keep them because they attract sales for the overpriced supplies and accessories.
"Give them the razor, sell them the blades"
Just like how Microsoft and Sony sell software, not consoles
Things like this are why I still buy physical media when I can and avoid products with unnecessary internet connectivity. If you buy a fridge, TV, thermostat, or whatever that requires an internet connection to function properly you are asking to get hosed.
DVDs, blu-rays and CD's are great because you don't have to pay a monthly subscription and they can't alter the media whenever they want.
Absolutely agree with this thread. I'm for the "retro" or old-school tech platforms because there's too many companies trying this ish and offering few alternatives. I download music, then put copies on hard drives and media separate from my computer to ensure I can listen to it whenever. The same with buying discs instead of only streaming.
And speaking of Corey Doctorow, Why is everything in our future becoming so dystopian?
Maybe because the people coming into the workplace as leaders aren't readers in the way people used to be? Or is it just a natural outcome of misshapen capitalism and the bad way we consumers don't understand how it actually works?
@@keithmarlowe5569lease revisit this comment in five years. Also how are you going to have no apps installed on your phone when your phone already comes with preinstalled apps selected by your carrier?
@@LA_HAthe masses are too distracted with social media and technology that everything goes right through their brain
@@Ammut6 Truth bomb dropped
It's funny to me that you mentioned Brother. I ditched them 13 years ago because their consumer entry level laser printer had a software enforced page limit. Once I hit 5,000 pages it bricked itself and would not print or take a new toner cartridge because it had hit the "maximum page count."
I actually switched to an old HP 6 laser workhorse that has never died.
Wtf? What was the rationale for that? In EU that would literally be illegal
@@pierrex3226 But in the EU, a migrant r*ping an underage girl is totally legal (so long as that girl is white). With that being said, you don't really have a high horse to ride around on.
Errrr, i had a similar issue with the “inkpad full” message. (Full disclosure, this may have been because i used more leaky non-Brother cartridges).
Anyway, a quick google allowed me to reset the max page count for a quick fix. Later, another quick google allowed me to replace the ink pad.
I still stand by Brother!!
@@pierrex3226 IT IS ILLEGAL in the EU
More likely that the 5000 page limit was the drum unit in the printer, not the printer itself. These are consumables, and wear out. Most laser based units either build it into the toner cartridge (shorter lifespan, but more expensive toner cart) or have a 2 component system (cheaper toner, + a drum that needs changed every so often) I've alsu used Brother printers and mine was certainly a 2 component toner + drum setup.
The drums are what the laser charges and discharges to move toner to the paper, and these have a finite life. They "can" unlock the life, but then people will moan when print quality drops and they get streaks across their prints because a drum they are not wanting to change is wornout. It's a balance game, do you set a limit and keep quality on prints, or let people run components way past their lifecycle who then moan that the printer ir crap because they have not replaced a simple consumable.
I make journals and sell them along with printed stickers. To say I print a lot is an understatement. I bought an Epson eco tank and I absolutely love it. I have had zero trouble with it and the refill ink package is about 20 dollars for a box with ALL of the colors.
For now might be ok, just wait till they massage you that you printed 1000 pages please pays us a subscription for that privilage of continuing to print before we brick the printer for you😂it is like a ransom computer virus😂
@@mynamemylastname7179Don't update the software then. There's no need to do that anyway.
@@verifeli you get no choice in that either because it updates itself or just like windows forced updates or it doesn't work.
@@mynamemylastname7179 You do have a choice. I have got a similar brother printer, which also uses those refill bottles. and it always asks me to update, and I do it the same way I do with windows: Ignore and cut it off.
@@susangoaway for now yes you can do that but soon if you won't be able to do that. If you don't connect to the internet you won't be able to print. Microsoft has already tried and has a few products already like that if you don't connect, it don't work, not sure if they enforce or not but soon it will be all of them and fully enforced.
Worked at an electronics recycling facility. 75% of what we had to recycle was printers. They ALL had tons of ink and toner in them, we had to remove it before putting them in the shedding machine. Every last one if plugged in woud say "out of ink"
Honestly, thinking about this, it looks like this could be the next big tech thing that the EU could regulate in favour of customers. Just like they forced Apple to use the same chargers as other phones.
@@shadymedic The EU can't do shit and can go fuck itself as well
Not gonna lie - that seem scarily dystopian for me. Thanks for sharing with the experience
What really blows my mind is when this creeps outside of the tech industry. Cars with subscriptions for heated seats, or just telling you customization isn't an option, even if it's 100% paid for.
@@wanderer397 I remember a time when new things like power windows and cruise control would go from fancy to default as improvements in technology and resources made it easier to. Now, that's sadly not the case anymore, even on stuff that's installed anyway.
@@InfernosReaper I find it funny that my dad's base model 2014 Kia Soul has auto up/down front windows, but the top trim of some similar year Honda or Toyotas only have the driver's window full auto.
A subscription for heated seats?????? LOLOL that's outrageous.
yes and enabling/disabling built in features with their software, and years down the road still have control over your product.
@@pauls5745 disgusting
I found a Konica Minolta b&w printer at a second hand store years ago. Was used by a small business to print maybe 200 pages so it was basically brand new, the toner is rated for 8000 pages. Still using that same cartridge to this day.
Got it for $100, worth every penny.
I bought a pre owned laser printer about 5 years ago when I had to print out some books required at university. It came without toner so I bought a no name one of Amazon that was rated for 10.000 pages for 20€. Printed about 12.000 pages with this toner so far. No regrets. Saved me hundreds of euros.
I paid about as much for a new full colour Canon printer/ scanner on sale and it's been an absolute rock for me. I think if I could go back in time I would get a laser printer, I'm not a frequent printer user, I actually use the scanner more but I still don't regret the purchase. I use the wired connection option and haven't had any major problems. My dad on the other hand bought an HP printer and he usually has to call tech support a few times a year.
HP has been on the slippery slope with their products for many years. The fact that they have access to your printer in your home is a very scary thought. Send H.P. a bill for rental space the the unit occupies in your home, for the power it consumes and the the bandwidth it uses for your internet connection. Inkjet is useful for printing photos on photo paper. I remember seeing a YT video some years ago. It was a US serviceman that told us his frustration with HP support for a printer. Even telling them that he is in the desert, still would not help. The you see the unit get perforated by a double barrel automatic firearm.
was it a dual-mount .50 cal?
@@Sierra-208 Yes
@@andymok7945 Excellent
There's been documentaries done about HP:s printers having an actual chip in them just for the purpose of counting how many papers you've printed. When it hits a certain number their "software" will then stop you from printing more and tell you that the printer needs service (which it doesn't - if you remove the chip the printer will work)
Sigh. All printers since the stone age count the number of pages. And there isn't a chip doing just that. It's part of the larger chip that controls all functions of the printer. You can't just remove it. There are service tools available to override the full waste tank signal, though.
@@frequentlycynical642 "sigh"
@@frequentlycynical642 - Your half truths get you in trouble. Planned obsolescence is real. Rather than "removing the chip" which the average person thinks, there is often a mod for the printer that resets to 0 after X pages to avoid the built in lock out. I live in Lima, Peru and there is a whole industry of cracking/hacking all of this planned obsolescence horse shit in devices. There are well known locations where you are suggested to buy printers instead of in stores because they have been cracked and modified to use piped in externally mounted tanks of ink rather than the little cartridges. When your printer needs real maintenance, they are quick and efficient. The right to repair is a big deal.
@@captain_malaria Typing sigh unironically is the digital equivalent of taping a "kick me" sign on your own back lmao
@@frequentlycynical642 I'd love to be interested in your comment, but typing sigh makes me ignore whatever you said after that.
I have this exact printer. I had to install a driver only package, decline and skip all products. Once that's done, I had to update the firmware by force and THEN go in and disable everything that phoned home. It took a good hour to make the printer "dumb" again. Most people will not go through this process, and they're aware of that.
Just replying because of the XCOM reference
the price reflects that, it's essentially a subscription fee disguised as a final price and they more likely than not wouldn't break even at those prices
I still use my Brother laser printer I bought in ~2002 and it wasn't very expensive back then, they still make compatible cartridges and other than not having wifi which is a minor inconvenience its features are still overkill to me
if I buy another printer it will be a Brother laser printer, bless those industrious honest japs still existing out there
3 months after we bought the “You Need a Budget” budgeting app, it became a monthly subscription…and nonfunctional unless we pay each month: half of what we paid originally to own the app!! We were shocked! Thought at least they should have grandfathered us in. Oh the irony that the budgeting app was waste of money. That was a few years ago.
There is a funny story of how I got my printer:
I decided for myself to not get screwed by inkjet as my parents did. But I also wasn't keen on spending some 100's on a new laser printer. So I went on a site like craigslist of my choice and searched for cheap/give-away due to failure laser printers. Found one that fitted my taste and got it for free as it had some problem with it. The person I got it from assured me it wasn't the toner (foreshadowing). Got it home, connected it, had some struggle with the printer software (as usual). The diagnostics said the toner was at 1% capacity.🙄 So I got a new toner (no name of course, as I am not paying 90€ for an original one, while I got 2 for 30€) and it works perfectly, still after 2 years of use. I don't care that it's old, as it already has usb/wifi and is supported by every device I have.
So I got a laser printer for free and only paid 30€ for 2 toner cartridges. WITH paper the cost for printing one page is like 2 cents. You can't go cheaper.
This hits home for me. I was silly enough as a younger man to get a job as a copier technician. I stayed in that industry for a while until I finally realized the print companies had no interest in inventing a high quality printer that rarely breaks, because they make all their money off of the monthly 'service contract'.
I serviced printers for almost 4 years and it’s annoying almost all makes of printers and copiers uses cheap plastic gears made from the same plastic as Walmarts great value plastic utensils to operate the printer. Not to mention the gears are also unsecured so if you take it out wrong you got plastic gears all over the place. I should have went to either electrician, plumber, or HVAC instead at least they’re secure jobs lol.
That's good job security.
@@artimus7525 are there some brands that are exceptions (in a good way)?
@@fabiz8602 not really... pretty much all of em are designed by people who graduated from the same school of thought, and again, it's because buyers almost exclusively choose the lowest price item (and not the best value item). And of course this is because the people who control the purchasing funds will almost exclusively fire anyone who spends more than the absolute minimum up front entry cost for any expensive purchase (while simultaneously approving ungodly expensive event budgets for no good reason 😆).
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we lost printers to this "culture" way before anything else.
the scary part is that this is really prevalent in electric cars now as well and it's just invading other things.
@@ghosthunter0950 You can usually rip that stuff out by disconnecting the antenna.
The printers were the “Guinea pigs” of this whole movement
@@brainwashingdetergent4322 Fuck. We've been focused on big pharma and big govt....Big Printer have been pulling the strings from the shadows for decades now...
@@Smokkedandslammed I know! Those sneaky bastards!
I agree with you about the laser printer. Years ago, I think it was the mid or late 1990's, I purchased a black and white laser printer for about $600 dollars. So worth it. And as you mentioned, their current prices are less expensive. Inkjet printers are expensive with the ink refills, etc. Thanks for the informative video!
Dude, thanks for doing this. I’m a slow reader. It’s not a comprehension issue, just slow. Even with your anecdotes, it’s as fast as reading, and your input makes it easier for us to relate…
Here's a novel idea: If you don't own the machine, and you're not able to use it because you're no longer renting/leasing it, then we could legally send a bill for "storage fees" to the company that does own the device. It would have to be reasonable and based on fair market value.
So a printer, taking up a small amount of space, might only be like $2/day. That's just ~$60/month.
I wonder what would happen if enough "consumers" send official bills to these companies for storage fees.
You can use the dimensions of the printer to calculate how many percent of your rent/space it takes per month
GOD-TIER RESPONSE
Just the fact that modern printers are being held hostige by big tech companies like HP in my opinion is a scary direction that we are headed towards when it comes to technology in general. This is why I don't own modern cars or fancy printers. We should be able to have complete control over the technlogy we own.
I've been considering buying a 90's economy car because they are easier to repair and the car won't be bricked if the company goes under or an update fails (unlike a Tesla). I hate anything "smart". Why would you EVER need a wifi-enabled light bulb or fridge?
@@Nexalian_Gamer hell, now they've come out with Smart Service panels. Thats the breaker panel for your house or buisness electric service connect. So it wasnt enough that they scammed people to buy into the Smart Thermostat, now they want you to purchase this piece of equipment that will likely give access to EVERY SINGLE one of the circuits in your place. Guaranteed theyll say its "for your convenience" and that in no way should you be skeptical about them having access and possible control over your consumption of energy cause thats just "conspiracy theorist paranoia"
Support any company that tries to get into the industry without screwing its customers. Most the time I hear someone complain, you ask why don't they just buy another brand and they will argue - "Cause I like HP Printers" for example. During Louis video on John Deer, the farmer complaining said the exact same thing. You are TELLING those companies, "I support your choices." *Vote with your dollar* as it is the only thing that I believe will actually make a difference. Similar or even better quality can be made by others, but it might take time, support them so they can accomplish that task faster.
The author signed up for an optional pay-per-page “Instant Ink” service then didn’t pay the bill. He had the choice to buy cartridges at the store like anyone else, but didn’t.
@@whoisntwhoisit2126 abso-phuqin-lutely! Agree 💯
"Instant ink is not a scam per see. It's just an aggressive hostile user model." Uh huh...
"I'm convinced now that more than the truth is at stake when people create language that pretends to communicate." ~ Germaine Williams
"An aggressive hostile user model" is a euphemistic phrase which is just a convoluted way of saying we're scamming you. They say we're scammers this way to confuse you. Telling the truth in a confusing way so understanding what's what eludes you. Dirty scammers.
"I don't like the mentioning of the $28B market cap of HP, because it makes it sound like the problem here is a company being successful and having a lot of money"
Well yeah, because that's the problem. Companies and individuals with that kind of money can do whatever they want, and they warp government and law to their purposes.
Interesting workaround I found accidentally to prevent your printer from getting bricked: use static IP in the printer and set up the DNS as an invalid IP address. Printer won't be able to talk to HP anymore and it'll pop up with an error message but it'll still print no problem.
HP: I know that you and Frank were planning to disconnect me, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen.
Sure.... but what % of general population knows what "use static IP in the printer" means ?
@@cthulpiss I mean... If you don't know how to do it, you won't be able to do it so... If you don't understand the explanation it's probably not for you anyway unless you're willing to Google it and educate yourself...
@@steelfalconx2000 So, rather concede the impracticality of your solution for the vast majority of people, you opted to reply like a smug prick?
@@InfernosReaper just like anything else in life, if you don't understand a solution you won't be able to implement it. If you don't know how to solder you can't fix a motherboard. If you don't know how to milk a cow you can't get milk. This is a fact of life, pointing it out doesn't make me a smug prick. If anyone would like to try it they can look it up and spend 10 minutes of their life learning about the most basic skill in networking you can have. If they don't want to learn it, that's fine. But then this fix is not for them, it's simple.
this is part of a trend that I’ve been anxious about for years - especially with music, movies, & media. I hate having monthly payments to store my own pictures on my phone, and I refuse to use / subscribe to music streaming services
Access over ownership.
im still using youtube vanced. 👍
My least favorite thing about digital media is how the producer or artist will decide "yeah, no, I don't like that intro/solo/background vocal etc." and then replaces it.
"Oh sorry, did you want to hear the same exact recording you've loved for years and years? GFY 🙃"
This. I have all my music locally.
I'm okay with having increased access at the cost of true ownership when it comes to certain things. I will gladly pay for music streaming services because it is beyond annoying to carry a library of 2000 FLAC and WAV files around on your mobile device, especially when most phones don't even have expandable storage slots anymore to add enough storage to keep your photos, videos, and absurdly large music library locally. Not to mention, if a friend or someone I talk to recommends I check out a song, I don't have to wonder if the 30 second preview from the iTunes days is a true representation of the song before I purchase and own it in full. For something like video games, however, I will never use something like Xbox game pass or the other similar services. You spend way more time and money on a video game so it's more important for that to be a proper purchase and not a lease imo.
I just bought an inexpensive HP printer so my mom and grandmother can print out some stuff every once and a while when they pay bills. I was so pissed off when I found out that I had to connect the thing to an actual internet connection using their software to even get it for work. Then, it has to be connected to an internet connection in order to use it at all. My blood boiled. This is NOT what we wanted with technology. I should be able to plug that thing in and print whatever I want. They are that crazy about ink? I’ll Never buy another hp anything again. Packard warned us about this when Fiorina forced him out of his own company some years ago.
I bought 2 brother laser printers (Color/mono). One of my best printer choices I've made. No ink that goes dry because we didn't use it fast enough. And fairly inexpensive powder.
I think the wealth of the company was to say they already have all that money and they still feel the need to scam you.
Scumbag HP
Or, how about So what... Look at all the inclusion and diversity we have....
More like they made 28 Billion by scamming people. Multi-Billion dollar companies won't pay their 3rd world employees even 1/10th of what the same employee would make in the US.
@@robertsmith2956 incredulity and divisiveness
@robertsmith2956 who knew that throughout history the only problem was that all this bad stuff was done by white ppl. Now that ppl with different skin colors can also screw everyone over, the world is finally fair! Yay progress!
I had the misfortune of enabling the WiFi on a printer from 2014 from HP for my parents. It automatically updated the device & retroactively restricted features that we’ve always unless we agreed to set up an account with them where they would mine an inordinate amount of our data. It makes me furious to this day
I have an HP inkjet given to me in 2017 and every few weeks it's been prompting me for an update, which I refuse to do because, like you, it might break something...
@@carroyo911 meanwhile because you don't want them to basically steal features out of your existing printer, you're left out of date on security patches, too, which if you have a network printer makes it attractive for botnet purposes.
Ya can't win.
I say we go back to non-networked printers and just use Raspberry Pi Zeros as print servers for them. Should obviate driver-related insanity, too.
"Smart" shit is a scam.
@@burhanbudak6041 Spot on. The so-called "smart meters" of energy suppliers are indeed smart: for THEM!!
@@Poldovico if you got a firewall between your LAN and the WAN a botnet can do squat.
Another scam is trying to print in black-and-white ONLY or grey-scale to be told you can't print because you don't have enough MAGENTA ink (which is full, by the way).
The real crime is companies breaking perfectly working products or bricking them with “ update’s”
This Netflix for life subscription service on everything we use should cause people to refuse to buy products from companies that do this!
I agree, the problem is if they ALL do the same and one end without options...
Unfortunately it's because of idiots in numbers lining up with their wallets out each year that we keep getting shat on my corporations.
Cool, but photos hop dilemma
That is why I have bunny ears for my tv. And read online webnovels instead of watching anime. I get the same thing and some have comics which can be read for free compared to paying 15 a month to see the same thing but animated.
@@likeablecloud2454 There are many many other free options.
I'm an IT technician and we sometimes offer assistance with printers.
Once an HP laser printer came in and I found out I had to log into "my account" to access diagnostics.
(Printer was a customer one so we later called them to obtain the credentials)
Absolutely insane.
I used to not like companies that sell printers (because it's more that than the machine itself) but now I loathe them, especially HP.
Sadly, they're still getting money from the company I work for but they're NOT going to get mine if they don't pry it from my cold, dead hands.
HP scanner is for registered users only. I was shocked and furious that I had to login and provide my private information only for unlocking scanner. I used fake email to fight back. And the account was removed few weeks later when HP discovered it and blocked my scanner until I provided real personal information.
We need to start calling this what it is: SABOTAGE.
It's gonna be real hard to put this genie back in the bottle. I honestly think unless people push back on this like micro transactions, this won't end.
Printers have always been a lootbox.. just throw money at it and hope it works
Not really, I just bought a Canon printer that takes bottles of Ink(G3260) that I can buy 3rd party bottles for a 5th of the price online, and completely user serviceable. Yea it took like 2 days researching off and on to find a balance between features and cost, but I got exactly what I wanted.
@@Awrethien Tank printers are the best. I've had an Epson Ecotank for 8 years now, and zero complaints.
@@Awrethien being able to still find a decent product doesn't really disprove his point. there are still some amazing games that release without all the microtransaction bullshit as well but it doesn't entirely remove the bad taste in your mouth that a lot of companies are doing such predatory practices, especially not when they're the biggest in the playground.
@@Awrethien not everyone has the luxury of wasting two days on what fcking printer to buy. How do you even think this is a good defence of anything ?
I AM SO HAPPY YOU ARE COVERING THIS.
Family 'tech support' here and just had to unsubscribe my mother and father in law's to HP's instant ink.
Similar situation here where their printer was essentially bricked by the cartridge and was receiving an error loosely saying "you need a subscription in order to use this ink." Swapped the cartridge out for a non-instant-ink-cartridge, ensured all accounts and subscriptions were cancelled, worked perfectly fine.
What an absolute mess
@@wanderer397 check this vids pinned comment
wtf is instant ink?
@@JoRoBoYo HP's ink subscription 'service'.
@@JoRoBoYo watch the video
Women in tech. Don't give a stuff about customer service.
They can't take my old cds, dvds, and cassettes.
But everything I've "bought" digitally I know they can take it away at anytime.
I didn't see it covered in the video but add on the fact that if you cancel your subscription, at the end of the period it will DISABLE your ink until you get "Store Bought" printer cartridges, even saying regardless of how much ink remains it will still disable it on the date the sub ends.
Also the sneaky little "Trial membership", if you attempt to cancel the resub early, it ends your entire trial and disables your ink on the "end of the current billing cycle".
So you get told you have a 6 month trial but only as long as you don't try and cancel the auto-renewal. I wonder how many people forget about it after 6 months, cop the first charge and get told "no refunds, you could have cancelled but you didn't. Your fault, not ours!"
I bought an HP printer while I was living in another country. When I moved to the US it was no longer possible to buy ink cartridges for it because the "country" of the printer didn't match the "country" of the cartridges (despite the fact that it was the exact same model).
Region locked printers! What bullshit is that.
Modern serfdom. How dare you leave your land.
That happened to me too with an HP printer. Same model, same ink. Moved to Europe and bought same model printer but i inserted a brand new cartridge purchased in Canada and brought to Europe. Told me the region of the cartridge was not compatible…WTF
Former Office Depot employee here. 99% of the time I recommended a black and white brother laser printer to customers. I only ever recommended an inkjet if you absolutely needed color and you had high volume printing. The HP Pagewide was pretty awesome for that.
Brother is tight, they make awesome sewing machines and if the quality of their printers is as good as their sewing/embroidery machines there's no doubt it'd be worth getting a brother machine at some point
I have one- highly Recommend. 3rd party ink available for cheap. Almost 15 years and going strong.
@@fishcandy3188 you would recommend it over any HP printers? Looking to replace our family printer soon
I'm looking in to getting a canon tank printer so you don't have ink cart drm. And it's one of the latest ones that lets you replace the ink waste pad and printer heads.
Why do I need color? Photographer.
There was a time I only needed black and white for documents, but now I would really like to start printing my own pictures.
@@mr.fantastic7756 i would say make sure you look into it and do your own digging into whether it would be worthwhile to you but, for me it seems pretty solid if they can make really well built and functioning embroidery machines.
I also see a huge environmental impact, you have to throw away working stuff just because it is deactivated, or they build stuff in your devices and use resources for this stuff you cannot use if you don't pay a subscription... so crazy
I quit using HP years ago. They would require weekly updates to the point of digital harassment.
You have no idea how frustrating it was to buy my first printer which was an HP and the instant ink really fucked me in the ass during deadlines in college. My printer stopped working just because my card expired and I had to wait a whole month to change it.
Man if it isn't already, that costing somebody their scholarship should be suable lol
@@domino6490 Except the guy that lost their scholarship because of shit printer business practices don't have the money to sue a big corp.
@@tylerbreau4544 Good point there
That is why I use a laser printer, no colour but never runs outs and no fees
HP laserjet 4000 bought in 1998 still works lol😂
That's good! The problem with a lot of those older printers is the lack of support they get from manufacturers/developers. As long as they still work that's all that matters but sometimes Windows updates and that breaks 'em. :/
Thats not a printer, it's a tank😅
Very happy with my laser printer. Bought it over 3 years ago and still using the starter cartridge it came with as I'm someone who rarely needs to print anything.
If I had bought an ink jet, the ink would've dried out each time in the months of unuse.
What gets me is that everytime I go to use either my inkjet or laser printer...I have to uninstall and reinstall drivers because its additional features (besides copy) such as scan and fax, just refuse to work. Its infuriating, at the least.
We (all software developers) also use 100% Brother in our offices because of our collective experiences with other - especially HP and Epson - brand experiences. So far Brother has not let us down. Let's hope they stay this way or we will drop them like a hot potato.
my brother printer lets me refill with my own ink...most new ones make that impossible. where are the lawyers.
Brother is the way to go. As a hardware and software engineer, I will not touch HP with someone else's pole. My Brother is bullet proof and never lets me down. EVERY HP I have had to support has been hot garbage.
Epson ecotank too ???
What's wrong with getting Epson Eco Tank?
I was thinking this would be the solution to cartridges.
But then what would you move to?
I was recently looking for a printer for my aunt so she could print schedules and work-related stuff. Immediately went for B&W laser knowing she had no need for color, and it would end up being massively cheaper for her. One of the first models I came across was an HP that Best Buy had discounted, but right off the bat I got a huge red flag when the description mentioned it came with "6 months of toner through HP+". My first thought was that there was no way in hell she would be needing any toner for at least year, even with the small "starter" cartridges a lot of these come with. Then figuring out that she'd need an HP account (which she would forget the password for, and make that *my* problem to fix) to use the thing at all, even without the toner subscription nonsense, I stopped even looking at HP models. Ended up getting her a Canon that wasn't trying to push some device-as-a-service bullshit.
Gamers didn't like "games as a service", creatives didnt like adobe and autodesk doing their apps as a service, what makes them think we want that for our hardware?
@@darkzeroprojects4245 We don't want it for our hardware, but all the other printer companies will copy HP, just like the smartphone manufacturers copied Apple with removal of the headphone jack and microSD slot, then you won't have a choice but to just deal with it and pay up.
@@lance_374 At that point most of us should stop buying from them.
These really cheap black and white HP printers STOP WORKING after 20 pages if you do not register them online. It's completely crazy.
@@mrfrenzy. its crazy that you even got that far, mine didnt let me print *at all* before signing up
We're on a world with finite resources. Intentionally generating waste out of good stuff you own just so they can sell you more plastic and chemicals whether you need it or not should be illegal and considered a moral crime.
I feel you on the label printer deal. We have them at my workplace and they either work fine for years with no issue, or I'm having to fix them every other month/week. I hate these things with a passion. They trip out over the littlest shit and I work in a heavy dust\dirt & fine particle (surface mine) environment so this happens all the time.
Years ago, I had an HP inkjet printer that would make me run to the store to buy ink every time I needed to print. The only thing that printer was good for was keeping papers printed out by other printers from blowing away. That printer met its end when it "fell off my desk" and shattered. I bought a Brother color laser printer and is works beautifully.
Feels good not being the only "fell off my desk" guy. 😆
@@josephaltman460 it's a very exclusive club 😂
@@sisamusudroka3000 I'm in the "Office Space recreation" club.
I'm from Brazil and I never thought that this kind of thing was so problematic elsewhere here the best selling printer is the Epson EcoTank line which literally has an ink tank glued to the side that you can fill with any ink and cost in the range of $200 or less and most inks cost around $ 15 for the extra bottle, each recharge lasts around 7500 prints
I have a first-gen Epson Ecotank, and zero complaints since I bought it.
I also recently picked up an Epson eco tank. I do a ton of color printing and I'm very impressed with how cheap it's been to run.
They don't hold a candle to the pigment ones but I ain't complaining about not getting shaken down for cartridges.
Have had 2 Epson Eco Tanks in both Germany and Canada - both worked very well (more expensive to buy, but much cheaper to operate). In my case, it paid for itself within 2 years, then I saved about $100/year.
I'm almost 1 year in owning a Epson ecotank (paid 250 or 300) and used less than 1/4 of the ink that came with it so far.
I got an an amazing 70-inch $200 "smart" tv. I prefer keeping it as a dumb tv and doing what I want on it because one of the "smart" features is relentless tracking. Thus, this thing will never connect to wifi.
rule #1 of buying and installing anything. NEVER, EVER pay for "extras"
Got my first Brother B&W laser about 10 years ago, still works great on knockoff toner cartridges. Got another one for my home office, same thing, no complaints. Finally got a Brother color laser that had been refurbished and it's glorious. Again, I found knockoff cartridges that work perfectly, and the printer is an absolute workhorse. I can't imagine trying to do my work and having some arbitrary contrived excuse for a company to cut me off from my own product.
Yeah, I love my brother too. Bought MFC-L2712DN and am happy like a clam.Best thing? My dad is not tech savvy. Even he managed to pick up their print and scanner tools.
Can you tell me the brother one you brought with color?
@@lemonhead9628 It's the HL-L3270CDW
@@travisbuschette8609 thanQ!
I also have a Brother printer that I bought 8 years ago and I have had a similar experience.
What would be worse is if you didn't sign up for that print subscription and they just switched the printer off remotely. The fact that they can do this is crazy.
Imagine an electric car.
@@IzzyBone10000 ....or coming electric stoves
@@Songwriter376 I have an electric stove it doesn't do that lmao It just plugs into the wall behind the oven and turns on.
@@WalrusWinking Is there any kinda of chip at all inside of it? Anything at all. Electrical Display for the numbers? Anything Electric other than the plug? If yes, they can shut it down remotely, 100%.
@@Jirodyne not if it's only connected to power.
Ah, the GREED of corporations knows NO bounds.
Hearing him talk about how a few dollars changes a lot, it reminds me of my time working in a very similar field. I spent two years working for a company that pushed refurbished devices, on the side of a market analyst. My job was to find the markets to push items and to set the prices to hit online buy boxes. What I found is that certain sites actually had different levels of standards. On Amazon, a CR was the only thing that would sell. It had to be good, we’d still get people who wanted to return devices that had the most minute of scratches, even though it was literally a part of the listing. eBay was useless. It could move product, but the level of nick and dent was too confusing from listing to listing for our customers. Plus, it was always on eBay that someone would pull some BS like trying to return a phone that was some off brand display model instead of our products, which were all exclusively iPhone.
Walmart was the best for moving SRF. It was something that couldn’t move at all on Amazon, but on Walmart? People needed phones, they didn’t need them perfect. Nowadays, they streamlined how phones are sold on site, but at its height, we ran 2500 listings and were selling some devices at $20 profit margins a piece.
Of course, it was always a struggle. Buy box supremacy is a full time job, especially as your reach online grows, and the supply you get in doesn’t always make it easier to sell something. Sometimes it’s worth holding onto product because you can’t possibly get a profit. Sometimes you just gotta figure out what website it moves on. It was fun work. I’ll admit, I kind of miss it.
100% with you on the laser printer. I bought my HP Lasetjet 1200 for £20 on Ebay in 2015. It's over 20 years old now. Still haven't even changed the toner. Drivers can be a bit of a song and dance, but other than that this £20 black and white beast just keeps chugging along. NEVER buy an inkjet unless you NEED photo printing, even then it's probably cheaper to get a print shop to do the job than own an inkjet.
Good idea.
Are you time traveller, that you own 2015 printer for 20 years?
@@qbek_san dense.
Nail on the head. I have worked in printing for 30 years, I have a load of customers that do just that. Let the printshop worry about maintenance, and supplies, also most of the time they have choices you don't and the experience and training you don't. Might seem more expensive, but compared to the cost of a useless or mostly unused machine is very small not to mention never having to fight that lousy low end printer.
@@qbek_san he bought it in 2015. The model is 20 years old.
As a game developer what I find frightening it's how this is happening to creative software. I can see in the near future companies shutting down their competition by making deals with the companies that make whatever software they're using to develop with. Already had one large piece of software which completely change the license from something I could use to something completely unusable this is starting to happen regularly.
Same industry as you, it's insane how much everything is. Zbrush is now subscription, Maya is an arm and a leg (shoot for the indie license if you can), forget about adobe, only thing that is perpetual is marmoset. This is why Blender has taken off so much, but it's not industry standard
Travis, I can't say this is the case for everyone, but I'm the sort of person to play conquest of elysium 5. I honestly don't think AAA games are worth playing for people when companies make them uncompetitive or put walls around getting it.
Which software was that?
@@jynxbot352 Is Z brush still any good? I thought it would have had a couple of competitors by now
@@cassierbutler6073 Blender is getting close.
When I bought my first computer at 17 in 2000. It was a gateway. The power supply went on it after like a month. They sent me a new PS, with a shipping label to send back the old one. So I was only without for like 2 days.
Nowadays I build my own, but if a part under warranty goes out, you could be looking at a month of an RMA process before you are back up and running.
People have hacked instant ink cartridges to make them work without a valid subscription
For this sort of issue, it would be helpful to have a complete list of companies that do these sorts of things (and another one of companies that we have confirmed don't).
Would you consider compiling/publishing a do-not-buy list of this sort?
Anything with tiny cartridges are a scam even if they don't connect to the internet. They won't let you print a black and white page because you're out of cyan and those cartridges can still have ink in them but if the machine thinks that it should be empty then it might as well be a useless lump of plastic. Buy yourself a black and white Brother printer. The ink doesn't magically dry up from a lack of use and it will save you a LOT of money and frustration in the long run.
@@bigmekboy175 I was asking for a list of companies (not just printer companies) to not buy from, not a printer recommendation.
@omnitroph1501 the list of companies to not buy ink jet printers from is basically ALL OF THEM. There might be another exception I haven't heard about but right now they're all scammers. My Brother laser jet printer has been a hassle free low cost experience but before that I owned Epson's and Cannon's and it was the same predatory, frustrating, high cost experience.
@@bigmekboy175 what part of "not just printer companies" did you not understand?
@omnitroph1501 Sorry for misunderstanding you, the video was about printers and since a list of unethical companies would be miles long I assumed you wanted a list of shady corporations that sell printers. Not all printers are made by the big printer corporations after all and what you are actually asking for is going to be a LOOOOONG list starting with the manufacturer of the cell phone you're probably reading this on.
Think i mentioned this months ago, but HP stopped producing the small laserjet m14w, and replaced it with the nearly identical m110we, with the only differences being drm locked ink cartridges, and not being able to print without being online / hp account.
It wasnt even any cheaper...
Now all the we,w series are the same garbage.
Pathetically shameful!
Even if you don't sign up for their program they still might lock your printer down because fuck you. I tell my customers to avoid them like the plague
if I would have not setup my MOMs printer she would have been in this trap needless to say my grandmother signed up for it because "she knew what she was doing" and man I couldn't believe what a scam that was...
When you buy online ,you can't always access value other than by price or brand name. Lots of people I know love Amazon vs eBay. They never even search eBay to see if there is a lower price. They assume Amazon is a brand and buy the lowest price one.
Hi Louis! I think a class action lawsuit should be filed against HP for breach of contract relating to forced ink monopolization not disclosed at time of purchase. Also, interference with work product, lost income.
Absolutly ! I love my Brother too! Left HP of 20 years. So glad you do this for everyone.
I bought an epson ecotank 2 years ago, and it feels like I've been blessed by some sort of unlikely consumer-friendly miracle since... I ve never had to buy ink because the ink capacity is crazy, but if I had to, ink is cheap and comes in the shape of big bottles, not cardridges.
Still have to figure what's the catch
I am astounded that HP program exists. I haven't dealt with printers since I was a boy in my parents house, but if I were in the market today, I would be insulted if I read a subscription service to use a printer in my own house.
@@Tess.of.all.trades Did you watch the video? Yes, the service is 100% optional, the problem is HP disabling the products.
@@publicguy1664 You know women always talk and never want to listen, why would they start now. 🤦🏽
Joking but there is quiet a lot of women like the comment above yours, which is sad.
@@lemonhead9628 unreal. boiling the frog slowly but surely.
@@publicguy1664 I have this service. HP doesn’t disable the product. They disable the subscription cartridge if you stop the subscription. You can still remove the subscription cartridge and go buy ink for the printer. The subscription is actually much cheaper.
@Diesel Techie Except HP doesn't have monopoly power in the printer market. It's just using basic customer capture to wrack up margins on follow on products. Reminds me of what it's like to get trapped in the Apple Ecosystem.
The fact your printer needs to be 24/7 connected to the internet, would be a nogo for me already.
I bought a all-in-one laserprinter(it scans, copies, faxes, and prints in color if needed) back in 2016,including 4 replacement tonercartridges.
I haven't had to replace toner yet, I only paid sth like $300 for the order.
Laser printers are also way easier to fix. Or at least you actually can fix them. + You can refill them yourself, if you know, what you're doing.
I bet you that if they couldn’t directly connect, they’d weasel their way to their servers through the print driver on your computer and then disable it that way.
@@ProtoV33MK1 Yeah I forgot, lots of printers these days have WiFi capabilities. A new world of possibilities (to profit) open up!
can you share what is the model or brand that makes your printer?
In the same spirit, i really hate smart Tv's.
I want a TV that is just a screen with a Tv channel receiver but i can't find any anymore.
All of them trying to sell me shit i have no use of. I have mini PCs, consoles etc i connect with my Tv, i have no need for my Tv to have any abilities on it's own.
Unbelievable !!! Im so sick of this!!!,Screw these companies!!!
I also had an HP Printer that my wife paid dearly for, but after too many heartburn’s, I gave the printer to a young man who thought he had been gifted a gold brick. Like you, I later purchased a “Brothers” laser printer after reading different printer reviews and found they were one of the lowest cost to operate printers. The cost of the laser was less than $50 more than the HP Ink Jet printer that my wife paid. She had gone to one of the many office supply stores and got what the salesman suggested. I could easily rail on about my heartburn issues with HP, but then this comment would be 6 pages long. Really enjoy your posts, glad you finally came to your senses and left for a more friendly environment. (And burning NY for overpaid taxes because of @2 audit - - great karma 😂.
I worked at STAPLES and we were forced to push instant ink insanely hard, to the point where we had to write down our instant ink sign ups on our daily score card.
Worked in Electronics Retail for a couple years. We were also forced to Push it too. After a couple weeks it was up on the score Board for employees….
Reminds me of being forced to push the third party extended warranty when I was working in retail selling electronics. They had the checkout staff ask each customer if the sales person offered an extended warranty and note it down for management.
Unsurprising. Stuff that doesn't sell on it's own usually means it sucks and needs to be jammed down people's throats.
I literally had to go out my way to find home pet cameras that specifically don’t use a cloud subscription and they have the exact same features for guess what… free and they even cost less. You just literally have to search for hours
What was the brand?
@@schoo9256 it is the zjx pet camera on Amazon, it it currently cheaper than usual, 17$ total I think but beware sometimes the model they send will be different, same functionality, I ordered two different times and got a different model but it worked the same so all is well
I bought a BROTHER Laser Printer since I heard they were good and respectful of their consumers. Got to say, I was monitoring my printers network traffic and...nothing? It only pings out to check for updates and that's it, I didn't enable any of the cloud-printing features. It just periodically pings out to their servers and asks, "Is there an update?" Sometimes it seems to ping out and ask, "What time is it?" And the best damn part about BROTHER is that they support Linux! It prints when I want it to print, it scans when I want it to scan, it copies when I want it to copy, and it has yet to jam.
I love how you really explored the different ways to view this. It’s like a conversation with yourself that we get to watch. This is the type of content I come to your channel to get.
Hey Louis!
I bought a lightly used Brother AIO B&W laser printer at an estate auction a couple years ago.
The page counter was about 2,750 pages total or 1k prints, and 1.7k scan/copies. (Did not know this before I bought)
*Best $15 I ever spent.*
They're TANKS!
😄 awesome
Can confirm Brother printers are the least terrible ones.
I absolutely love my second hand Brother! $40 color laser, 0 bull💩!!
I bought a pantum laser printer for $35 in 2016. Since then I bought 1 small bottle of toner. I've had no problems with it since then. It just works. No ink dried in the nozzles, no inability to print a black page because I had no yellow ink, etc. Beats the 3 throwaway inkjets I had before it hands down.
This is the way
And that is the issue they have with it. You aren't giving any more money to them if they make a good product and the twisted part of that is they make more money on a worse product.
@@christopherjones7191 I can at least see both sides of things. Printers are a dying technology. I use mine less than a handful of times a year. I used to work at an envelope manufacturer, and the only new jobs we got were from other manufacturers going under. We used to literally print envelopes encouraging people to go paperless on their bills. Neither will go away in our lifetime, but it's basically a race to be the last one standing. That said, the one likely to be left standing is the one that stands out the best, but that's end game, and many of them are struggling to make it there already.
@@rossmanngroup the 28 billion doesn't show success, it shows greed.
@@christopherjones7191 Welcome to capitalism ...
...this is UNBELIEVABLE, smhhh!! Just like the subscriptions being placed on vehicles for freaking heated seats in a car that's already been paid for, smh. We'd better start fighting the powers that be, FAST!!! Dystopia on the way...smh
Amen brother for Brother!! I’ve had a color laser(HL-3140CW) for 3 years that I bought used for $50. No problems. I’ve even reset the “empty” cartridges that I bought it with and have yet to replace them. 2 resets and they are still printing fine.
As someone who works in the industry I can feel the quote regarding resenting your users.
IT often times is a thankless job, people only notice you if there is a problem. I truly cherish the managers who known when to give praise for a job well done.
Other then that this video just gave me "you wouldn't download a printer" vibes.
We have come to a point where people pirate the car they bought.
The sad part is that those companies only get away with it because too many people are dumb enough to roll with it.
They only see cheap deals and short term benefits without long term considerations.
You can see the same thing with other products where people will jump on cheap appliances or other products that break after a year or two, instead of considering paying about 25% more to get a better quality item that will last for 10 years.
It even has penetrated the farming Industry where some western companies selling high end farm machines make it nearly impossible for Farmers to do their own repairs and force them to take it in to one of their brand licensed mechanics. Funnily enough that reignited a new "love" for Ex-Soviet agricultural machine companies who, after years of being laughed at as "cheap" and "inferior" are now applauded for continuing their tradition of providing extensive maintenance and repair manuals to their customers as well as selling affordable spare parts.
True, they kept a lot of valve stuff cos it was impervious to emf pulses, and started re importing Ladas
ive got three haynes repair manuals (1 each car) no way in hell an i ever lending them to anyone. worth more than gold now
25% more on an appliance is still a cheap pos that will fail in a year. Hell even if you pay max for the most expensive appliance the odds are its another pos made in the same slave labor factory in china that will also only last a year.
Yea a lot of farmer use older equipment now or other brands it laughable it really shitty these companies do that to farmers when they already run on a tight budget it riducloious. I fixed a new holland at my families farm if companies like John deere wanna make extra money the better way to go about it is selling tools to repair the dang thing and don't sell it at ridulious prices
The last sentence in the secon paragraph is the bane of my existence. When I’m shopping I’m always trying to find something higher quality than the bottom tier, without ending up at the top tier, paying for extras I will never use. Although, that’s partially why I hate shopping, since the majority of that time is spent trying to find as much info on all the products as possible.
had an issue with hp instant ink last month where my grandma had paid the 3$ that month bbut they wouldn't let us print with plenty of ink and paper til I contacted support, ridiculous how they can legally have control over that.
Having gone through the HP frustration of compatible toner cartridges and image drums, I did some research and decided on the Pantum P2516 monochrome laser printer with a 700 page starter toner cartridge that also includes an all-in-one image drum. It produces a sharp, clear laser image and it was on sale here in Canada from 123ink.ca for only $79 complete with FREE shipping and a 1 year warranty. The print quality and speed are truly amazing. The test however was will it also work with a compatible cartridge. After running the printer through its paces for a solid week, I decided to order the eco brand compatible cartridge from 123ink.ca as well. It comes with a 1 full year warranty and a 24 month shelf life with 1600 page capacity. Again the image drum is built into the toner cartridge even on this compatible product. This replacement compatible (ESP-PB-211)was on sale for only $23.99 and with 3 reems of paper that were purchased separately, they provided FREE UPS shipping. Here is the BEST part. The compatible eco brand cartridge works seamlessly with my new printer. I am so very happy. My HP frustration level was maxed out so this was a very nice and effortless experience. Greetings from Ontario, Canada.
I wrote a short story where the subscription model has been applied to our memories, ppl pay for their personal memory storage space and the main character is behind in payments and has to decide which memories he has to permanently delete.
“I should be able to use blueberry juice to get this printer to work” is probably the single most based take I’ve ever heard 😂
true though especially since ink is So f-ing overpriced
@black_Ninja buy generic brands from Amazon like smart ink. It's 1/4 the price of the HP brand. The printer doesn't like it (gives me a notification that it's not a HP cartridge) but it does work
@@michaelrodriguez6210 some of the HP laserjets give you the ability to turn off that notification. I have a M404dn and it allows me to do that
Brother… I’ve had the same damned laser printer for what feels like AGES in printer years! Must be going on like 8 or 9 years old at this point. I don’t print often, either. Usually with ink, you’re stuck buying cartridges no matter what because they can’t sit more than a few months before they go bad. Horrible idea if you need a printer than you will only use sporadically and you need it to be reliable. On the flip side, my Brother printer has been an absolute dream on those random occasions when i need it. It’s simple. The toner cartridges haven’t been replaced more than maybe 3 times or so in those 8 or so years. Seriously.
I had a Brother printer, worked for a few pages then started telling me it was out of ink when it wasn't, never found a remedy. A big expensive paper weight it was, went in the trash.
Years ago my Epson printer would not print when one of the colours ran out. So i clicked "greyscale" and it still would not print. So I will never buy Epson again. My current (few years old) printer is a HP. I was annoyed when I saw I was forced to make an online account to print using their software but moved on with life. Hearing this story I will make sure to skip HP from now on. Thank you. Have a great week.
This kind of "you buy it but don’t own it" thing has been going on for decades if not longer, in many different areas. I remember watching a video complaining about tractors and how the farmers who bought them found out that they could be sued( a threat, I don’t know if it ever happened) at worse but in general lost all warranty if they changed just one little thing that had nothing to do with what they tried to claim on warranty:ie most think their seats are very uncomfortable so changed them for ones that needed no modification to the tractor, but when the engine broke were told that they had no right to change anything so had void their warranty. They found out that the company thought that even though you paid full price that the company still owned them out right.
There have been juice machines, coffee machines, dish washers,hell, I hear of toasters, that connect to the web and you must pay a subscription to use, and if you don’t, or if you use a product that is compatible but not sold by the main company, it stops working.
Then there are business models that didn’t work, like internet refrigerators that would only order from one affiliate store, only allow ordering of product from certain food companies or force order certain products even if you didn’t want them.
And all that might be forgivable to some extent, if you got fast, competent and no question asked repairs, replacement and customer service. But you don’t.
i get it, it is just a seat. but that is how a warranty usually works
@@mpb6491Yeah, that's a good point. Even warranties are predatory, the customer owns nothing and the company has all the power.
John deer lost that lawsuit so it’s illegal for them to do that now
Should we tell them the currency they purchase these products isn't theirs either, just merely in their possession 😂
I refuse to connect my printer to the internet or let it exit my network for reasons like this. No, you don't get my "anonymized" data or access to my printer.
Yeah, my printer *has* Wi-Fi. I keep it turned off. I've never needed to print anything from my phone anyway.
We should get in touch with senators and cogresspeople, fix the consumer protection acts. If they are selling these they have to be labelled as a rental at the time of purchase specifically telling you that you are paying a monthly fee to use the object you purchase.
Samething happened to me. My credit card also expired and my HP Ink subscription was suspended. In the end I found out that either I update my payment method and keep my subscription, or I drop the subscription and replace the HP Ink supplied Ink cartridges with store bought ink cartridges. Subscription is 5.44/month so I kept the subscription for convenience. Maybe I'll cancel the subscription and pull my lower-end Epson out of storage and use it. It's extortion and a pain in the butt. I spent a few hours thinking the non-working printer was due to a bad driver or connection. F**k HP!