Using Rollei Infrared 400 black and white film for REAL color infrared film photography
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ต.ค. 2024
- See how I take 3 photographs with Rollei Infrared 400 black and white film to combine for a true color infrared photograph, very similar to Kodak's legendary Aerochrome. Explore the world of black and white and color infrared photography. I take standard black and white photographs with the infrared R-72 filter from Hoya, and then I also use the trichrome color separation process to combine 3 different black and white film photographs into one, recreating much of the classic Kodak Aerochrome color infrared look. Aerochrome might be discontinued and outrageously expensive, but I got these 2 rolls of Rollei Infrared 400 for barely 6 bucks eat from Analogue Wonderland. The filters aren't even that expensive, and you might just have them laying around.
I also use Adobe Lightroom and Adobe Photoshop to show how to combine the 3 film scans into one file to create a color photograph. I learned more about the basic technique from The 8-Bit Guy (link), and also used these two other TH-cam videos to learn more.
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Have you tried shooting infrared film photographs or on digital? What's your favorite photo from this episode? Thank you for watching!
This is a good video. I am undecided between Full Spectrum Conversion vs IR with either Super Color or Hyper Color. It might be a dumb question: Does IR Hyper Color 472nm or Super Color 590 can capture all three light spectrums UV, IR and visible light as good as Full Spectrum can? I also have read mirrorless cameras are better to be converted into IR because DSLRs once converted they have problem with the external lenses like the 50mm 1.8 STM or is Universal focus calibration better? So many decisions. Mirrorless seem better for trial and error like dummies like me. Thank you btw.
I have my Rollei IR 400 inside my camera now, and I stopped by this video and found it sooo informative! thanks for sharing. i love your 1:52 photo! and I want to ask about developing the film, is this film can be developed by any chemical or there is something should I considered about the type of chemical?
@@tetapanalog3253 Awesome, thank you!! Standard black and white developer should work fine. I used Rodinal on my first roll, but found the grain a bit too distracting for this film. I tried HC-110 on the next roll and was much more pleased. I hope this helps!
Jamie Maldonado noted! Thankyouu for sharing🤩🤩🤩
@@tetapanalog3253 You're welcome! Definitely share your results! :)
Thanks for sharing this excellent tutorial on creating trichrome Aerochrome looking images with Rollei IR film, I'm the Flickr guy Troy Walters who did those experimental trichrome Aerochrome photos with Rollei film several years back, glad to see my work has inspired others including yourself and your video will further inspire more people to do this fun Aerochrome trichrome experiment :) . I've also done two tone bichrome images that look like Aerochrome but less colour gamut but still you have red vegetation and cyan skies, this involves taking an infrared shot and a straight unfiltered shot and tinting the IR shot red and straight shot cyan and adding them. Generally when I tint each image in Photoshop I use Channel Mixer and set each image to their respective primary colours, never thought about using Hue/Saturation to achieve the same thing. The other Photoshop techniques you have illustrated will be of great help to me for future image processing, for trichromes I've always done it the hard way as in manually aligning each image in layers, will give image stack a go and see how it goes for my trichromes.
Oh wow, thank you!! I'm glad my video could be of use, because i know what you had posted was massively helpful for me. I'm super curious about getting other unique looks from this kind of technique, and now I'm going to have to break out some IR film and filters and see what I can do ... Thank you for all the cool, creative work, and for sharing it. Looking forward to seeing what else you do, and I'm excited to shoot more of these.
Very cool, and extremely well explained, will have to give a go soon. Im surprised no company has tried to make any type of colour IR film, even if it isn't the pinks of aerochrome. FPP came close when they found that stock of c41 IR film, if somebody could have reverse engineered that it would have been amazing. I don't think there is a bigger support for the return if a dead film more than aerochrome.
Awesome! And thank you. I really appreciate it. Purple hints at it, but I would definitely buy plenty of any new color IR film. The only other revival which would rival it would be Kodachrome, and its not nearly as unique.
@@JamieMPhoto plus Kodachrome is stupidly complicated and now the infrastructure is gone it's never, ever coming back. The infrastructure for Aerochrome already exists and most labs who do E6 can do Aerochrome
15 sec into it had to write this and stop watching. Where the heck are you? Chernobyl maybe, hard to take you serious!
Opening days of a pandemic and the only ppe I had on hand was a mask I use for spray painting. Don’t care who takes me seriously. 🤷♂️
As a novice film photographer that recently had my mind blown by the concept of trichromes, this took things over the top by incorporating IR film into it. And your trichrome PS workflow was helpful too, gonna try those steps ony next go around.
Awesome! So glad I could make it useful, and I was so excited when I saw it actually play out for the first time. Definitely feel free to share your results!
wow I didn't know that you could make this conversion! I have a roll of Rollei IR 400 that I'm saving for later when the leaves will start coming on the trees, but I had long surrendered the idea of shooting aerochrome because of how expensive it is. Now I just have to get my hands on a blue filter
Awesome! I was in the same boat about Aeorchrome ... I also didn't want to spend so much on a roll, completely love it, and then never be able to shoot it again. But this popped into my head after some trichrome research came back to mind and I am so happy I tried it. Definitely share your results when you get the blue filter!!
Why not shooting also with the green filter and use the "normal" view instead ? This breaks the faithfullness to Aerochrome. By the way for this technique to work, you should be sure that the blue filters doesn't let IR pass through at all, which is rarely the case because these filters were designed primarilly for visible light.
I’ve seen this done with black and white film before, but never infrared. This is so cool. Definitely going to try this.
Awesome! I had seen a couple of people do it, and I had even had the infrared film for a couple of weeks before this came to mind. So glad I tried it. Definitely feel free to share your results!
I find the Photoshop workup protocol shown here to be oddly complicated and non-intuitive. Why not just paste the constituent images into channels to begin with rather than messing around with colorization and the like?
It can be done that way, but then you also cede a lot of control over the final outcome.
I use a full spectrum converted Mirrorless and a IRChrome filter. Normal shutter speed and little or no photoshop.
Very nice to have on hand, but not as much tinkering fun as trichroming. ha ha.
Just tound this video. This is amazing Jamie! I will have to try it myself. thanks
You're welcome! Have fun with it, and share your results!
Very cool! And I love how much room there is to play with the result at different stages. At one early point after you made the image but before you started tweaking, I loved the result. It really reminded me of some images I saw using the new Lomo metropolis film.
Oh yeah! That’s what it reminded me of, but I couldn’t place it ... I also stumbled across a Lomochrome Purple look, too. I love finding different veering-off points in these techniques. I need to play around more work this. Thank you for watching and commenting!
Hi Jamie, I am unclear when processing one of the three images in photoshop is taken with a green filter or no filter at all? Troy Walters info image shows in your video shows using a green filter. TY, Paul
The "green" filter image is one taken without a filter and it just serves as the green filtered image. I have never figured out why it's not necessary to filter it green, I just know it works without shooting it with a green filter. Sorry I can't give a better answer, though!
Have anyone in the comments tried this with ilford SFX ?
Very curious about the outcome ... but I do have a 120 roll of SFX. Hmm.
Nice results, I thought EIR was IR (red), red (green), and green (blue) and blue light discarded by using a yellow filter. Though I wonder if IR, yellow, green might be more appropriate for an IR b&w film.
You're welcome! A very good question ... I mostly followed some trichrome tutorials I found, as well as a post by someone who tried this technique years ago. Time to experiment more, and/or find an optics and imaging expert. ha ha. Thank you for watching and commenting!
@@JamieMPhoto if I still had film cameras Id be trying it
@@Athiril Might be worth picking up one on the cheap! Not as good as it was a few years ago, but there are still some choice cameras.
Whats with the paitsprayers mask eh?🤣🤣🤣🤣
When you don't have a mask and you don't know if the death virus is airborne or not ... I'd rather be safe and it gets the job done. 🤷♂️ Also, fun to play apocalypse with the leadership being stump dumb at the time.
Why the mask?
It was very early in the pandemic and we knew very little about how it spread or how easily spread it was, so I took no chances with my immunocompromised family's safety ... and because normal masks were pretty hard to come by at the time.
Whats the deal with the mask?!
I didn't like the idea of killing my family and it was the only thing I had because it was barely a week or two into a pandemic where we had incomplete information about how contagious it was. I switched to a much more reasonable and useful mask not long down the road when I was able to get some again, and I still wear them when in certain places because I value the lives of others and my own health.
Thanks for taking the time to learn and share this technique! I am going to share your process with my small class to try. Hopefully, ours will look as beautifully strange as yours!
Oh cool! It's a lot of fun and I hope they have a great time getting creative with it. Definitely feel free to share the results with me. And you're very welcome!
OK.. I've gone out and shot rolls. I'm now trying to follow you step by step. Problem. I scanned in black and white and PS won't allow me to pick hue and saturation because there is no colour. How did you scan your black and white film? In colour?
Hello! You can change the Grayscale setting to RGB color and that will work. That's under Image >Mode>RGB Color. Then it should allow it. I hope that helps!
@@JamieMPhoto Yes! That actually worked better than scanning them in colour. Not as much grain. Thanks for being on top of your feed.
@@patriciaparsons9680 You're very welcome! Definitely feel free to share your results!
@@JamieMPhoto I'm not certain how to share.
If you are on instagram, I'm jamiemphoto. If you'd rather send it by email I'm info @ jamiemphoto.com, minus the spaces, of course ... Hopefully that shows up correctly. ha ha.
Which blue filter did you use? I have an 80a correction filter and was wondering if it would be blue enough. Thank you.
I'm pretty sure mine was actually an 80a! I lost track of it while switching bags and I really need to figure out where it is. I think that should work, though. I hope that helps!
Haha! I know the 8bit's video you are talking about!grate ideea!
2 days ago i made a picture on portra 800 with a ir filter. Really curious about my experiment. Hope i will have some success, like you
Awesome! I enjoy his channel a lot. Definitely feel free to share your results, and thank you for watching and commenting!
I enjoyed shooting Infrared Ektachrome back in the 70's. I will have to try this your trichrome process soon.
That’s great! Definitely feel free to share your results when you do.
Other than the contrast, is there a reason why you use the three different filters as opposed to simply taking three different photos and going through the same process. Just curious.
Hello! Since they filter the different wavelengths of light, they correspond to what a film layer sensitive to only one color would show. Since color film is multiple single color layers that combine into one, it's treating each frame like a single color layer that I just layer together in Photoshop. This would actually be a fun video if I can explain it well enough ... hmm. Thank you for the comment!
I have quite a lot of infrared black and white film in my freezer. I'll have to try this out for sure!
Perfect! Definitely feel free to share when you get results. It will be interesting to see how results might vary between film types, too.
Omg, this was incredible - Thank you for this information!
Awesome, you’re welcome! Feel free to share your results if you give it a try.
I’ve only tried shooting infra red digitally. Gotta give this a go
I had only tried it digitally, as well! I was pleasantly surprised that it wasn't super hard on film ... at least with the stuff we can still get easily. The black and whites were pretty easy, and it's nice having something to shoot outside around noon that looks interesting. It's nice that I even had an IR filter laying around from years ago, so it just cost me a few rolls of film. Definitely share your results when you try!
Jamie Maldonado will do :)
I had no idea how advanced film was back in the day. It can capture way more than digital
In a lot of ways, for sure! You can make this happen on a digital, but it basically involves destroying/permanently modifying a digital camera. I'd rather have the film. :) Thank you for commenting and watching!!
Hey, if I use a camera that has a multiple exposure mode, could I just take an unfiltered picture, a blue filtered picture, and an IR filtered picture and then use photoshop to get similar results?
Been trying to think this one through ... but I think the problem is that you can't adjust how the multiple exposures interact with each other. Certainly worth the experiment if you have all the pieces around, though! Please share if you do. Thank you for watching and commenting!
FANTASTIC video. Thank you for sharing this
Awesome, I appreciate it and thank you!!
This is so cool! Thank you for the step-by-step instructions.
You're welcome!! Glad you enjoyed it and found it useful. Definitely feel free to share results!
I know it would be a complete waste of time but how would this work with a digital camera?
Hmm ... I'm not sure if filtering the camera would get the same result, but it might be worth trying if you don't want to buy a converted camera. The film works since it's IR sensitive already, but the camera has an IR filter built into the sensor. Still, I'd be curious to see what colors do come out of it.
@@JamieMPhoto I have been looking a little into digital infrared photograph and i think that with IR filter and a long shutterspeed it could be possible. Dont know if i am ever going to do it though. As i said, complete waste of time.
Wow...I need to test this!
Super cool.
It was a lot of fun to see it come together! I'm trying it again soon. Definitely share when you try!
Damn thats pretty rad! I recently picked up my first roll and now you have me wanting to try this down the line.
Awesome! Definitely feel free to share results when you get them.
Very cool! I bought four rolls of Aerochrome years ago in 120 and although your method takes longer I think you got better results over all. Thanks for sharing!
Awesome!! I’d love to be able to do proper portraits with this technique, but otherwise I feel ok about it. That’s great to know it has something to offer in direct comparison. Thank you for watching and commenting!
thank you for sharing your knowledge and play! Cheers from Amsterdam
That's so awesome. You're welcome, and thank you!! I appreciate you watching and commenting.
Great tutorial, thanks a lot!
Awesome, you're very welcome!!
@@JamieMPhoto I'm currently waiting for some 120 film to dry that I shot with the filters so will try it out myself.
@@jpcgordon Awesome! Definitely share the results.
does this only work with a blue filter, or are there similar processes for other colored filters? I only have an IR filter and an orange filter currently!
Hello! I've been trying to figure this out, especially since Aerochrome could be filtered for other effects, but I think the best answer will be to try it myself. I'll try to make an update with what I find out ASAP!
@@JamieMPhoto which blue filter did you use btw? not sure if you mentioned it in the video
Ah ha, I finally found the filter! It's an 80B. I hope I'm not too late to be helpful.
but is it really worth it
Depends on the application, but I thought it was fun.
I modded a cheap point and shoot to full spectrum. It got me pretty close to aerochrome look straight from the camera.
Digital definitely makes this a lot cheaper ... I wouldn't be shocked if you could make a P&S full spectrum for cheaper than a single roll of EIR. ha ha. I enjoyed this analog method from a process standpoint, but also in hopes of stepping it up to medium format to get that range that's especially difficult to access because it's still so expensive to get any digital medium format camera.
@@JamieMPhoto it was 10 euros but it shows, dynamic range is poop and focus is hit or miss. Still cheaper than most options out there. Here are some samples if you re interested : photos.app.goo.gl/fEaW4sVtvN5t6KJc7 And Fuji is probably your cheapest way into digital medium format
@@parranoic Thanks for sharing! Beautiful results!
Why do you not use green filter for green channel?
I wondered this for a minute, and assumed that it might have something to do either with just needing different sets of contrasts and values for each color channel, or something to do with the green response of film ... but this is a very good question I'm going to research more. I was looking for a good point to jump into a follow-up video ... thank you! I'll see what I can find out.
really well done! I still lament the passing of Aerochrome...
Thank you! I really wish @Kodak could put out limited runs or something like that, but at least we have this type of thing for landscape work.
@@JamieMPhoto ooo, that would be a great idea. I suppose that the problem is a good one. In that, I think they are still trying to keep up with demand in their other stocks.
have you got allergy or do you paint cars? why the facemask in the forest?
Early days of the pandemic and I played it safe.
Def gonna try this out soon! awesome video man!
Awesome! Thank you! And definitely feel free to share your results.
so cool!! I need to try this
You definitely should! It's fun to experiment with the layers and see how the effects can change around, too. Share your results if you do!
Can you do this analogue in a colour darkroom?
I don't have much experience in color darkroom printing, but it's conceivable that it could be done as part of a CMYK-style process, but I'm pretty sure it would be rather complex. But that's sometimes worth it!
@@JamieMPhoto Perhaps screen printing could be the best way in an analogue form. Thanks for the wonderful video! Very inspirational.
awesome
Thank you!!
This is really interesting. I really want to try this.
Awesome! Definitely go for it and let me know how it goes. I'll try to answer any questions, too! I think Freestyle has this film for a decent price, too, since Analogue Wonderland was sold out/not shipping to the US last time I checked.
Jamie Maldonado I’m based in the uk so I’ll be able to buy from analogue wonderland.
Cheers I’ll keep you posted
@@soulstart89 Perfect! I think they might have a deal on SFX200 right now, too. I've also read that the Rollei Retro films are IR sensitive? Thank you, and I'm looking forward to the results!
Woow awesome !
Thank you! It was a ton of fun to figure this out, and I'm glad people are enjoying it.
What kind of Hoya filters did you use?
Hello! I believe it was the R72 IR filter, along with a standard Blue and Yellow ... they were old and labeled Blue and Yellow. Not sure how much that helps, though. ha ha. I need to pin it down with something more modern, for sure.
@@JamieMPhoto why were you using blue and yellow not blue and red?
Asking because I want to try IR and Aerochrome is expensive and only in 120.
@@koltinn Oops! I got mixed up with something else for a second. It was the IR R72 filter, the Blue filter and no filter. You make the No-filter shot the Green layer for the RGB image. I hope that helps clarify!
@@JamieMPhoto Noted, thank you.
@@JamieMPhoto can you load it in subdued light ie indoors? I heard you got to use a changing bag for IR
Wow! This is insanely cool, and you went through everything with clarity and precision (I'll definitely be able to follow your steps with ease haha). I cannot wait to try this with my leftover Rollei stock :) Thank you for sharing!!
Awesome! I’m so glad I was able to make it clear and understandable, especially since tutorials aren’t necessarily my strong suit. (I teach more effectively one-on-one and in a classroom.) You’re welcome, thank you, and please share the results!
This is such a helpful video, and I am definitely trying this out when the weather allows it.
I do have one question though, is there a reason why you're going for one un-filtered shot, rather than a green-filtered shot?
Hello! I am not quite sure the scientific reason behind not specifically using the green filter, but it appears to not have a profound effect on the outcome, even on other sources I've seen who experimented with this technique. It would be interesting to do an A/B test on that, though. Feel free to share your results when you do this, and definitely let me know if you try a Green filter, too. Thank you!
@@JamieMPhoto Turns out that it isn't as easy to get a new blue filter here than I thought, so I went the ebay route and got myself an 80B filter. The weather is starting to get better here, so I should most likely be able to start my B/W and colour IR work next month. I'll be sure to share my results!
47B Filters are incredibly hard to come by here, so I hope that the 80B will do the job.
@@Phulax. Did it work with the 80B?
@@ivodamjanovski7567 Hey, I did try it with thw 80B on my Fuji X-Pro2, as my film camera was away for repair. Unfortunately it did not have the desired effect, and I know why. The 80B is a cooling filter, not actually a colour filter. So when I found it that it didn’t work, I started to look for proper blue colour filters. I eventually stumbled upon a Tiffen Blue 47, which is a proper blue filter. Even though I haven’t had the chance to try it with film (especially now we’re close to Winter here), I have tried it with the Fuji. It worked like a treat!
What blue filter did you use? This is amazing
Thank you! I can't find the filter right now, amazingly ... I think it's actually labeled "Blue." It's not a heavy blue, either. It's fairly easy to see through, so I'd say it's in the middle of intensity. I'll try to update if I can find the correct one, though!