If you don't have an IR filter a deep red plus a polariser works well. Check your focus scale to see if it has a secondary (usually red) IR focus mark, focus normally, readjust focus to the IR focus point, add filter/filters and shoot. Exposure can be tricky but using ISO 12 should be a good rule of thumb.
Hey, I have an R72 filter, and some rollei 400, I want to shoot on my canon A1, with a 50mm lens, however 1. How do you develop this film? -can I use ilford ilforsol, stop bath & rapid fixer 2. What ISO do I shoot this at? -do I meter through my camera’s built in light meter -if I’m metering, do I meter for like iso 12 with the filter off or iso 400 and just meter through the filter? -do I need to change the metering stops on my camera (the canon A1 can adjust for metering a few extra stops without an iso change) Thanks again anyone can answer my questions and queries!
I have been using this film for a while now and find it best exposed at ASA 12 through a Cokin infrared filter and processed in ID11 diluted 1+1 at 9 seconds at 20 degrees C. It can be quite dense and contrasty so don't over-expose of over-develop it.
@@bob4chelsea Una consulta, en mi pais (argentina) no consigo HC-110, tengo Microphen y D96, saben si es conveniente revelar Rollei Ir con esos reveladores ?, gracias !
Isn't there a focus correction when shooting IR? On the historic Kodak 4x5 sheet film I used to have to apply some fraction of the focal length of the lens (more extension, usually just a bit). You can tailor the degree of sensitivity to infrared light by using various filters: IR (#29), #25, #15, #12, and #8 in EK series. Each has its own factor so it does get fiddly in the field. Very good samples of IR prints. Very!
Nice! To be honest the whole infrared thing hasn't interested me in the past, maybe when we get the "new, improved and more open world" I might get some rolls for the spring and summer season!
@@AnalogueWonderland it's totally okay, but your information was so perfect and you only missed that little detail. And I understand when making youtube video there are always something that we miss. Big hug 👍
Hi! Thanks for the really interesting video! Sorry, but I don't really get it - how to set the correct shutter speed with the IR filter attached? Thanks!
You don't mention the focus shift between infrared and visible light, and the fact that many older lenses have a seperate index mark to enable you to adjust the focus to compensate. With an SLR this means first composing and focusing normally without a filter, then adding the filter and correcting the focus before making the exposure.
Thanks for the video - I recently purchased the JCH Streetpan 400 from you guys for my "new to me" Pentax ME Super (Like the one I got in the early 80's as my first film camera) ... I have also a 720nm filter for the 35mm lens ... can I treat this in the same way as the film in this vlog? Also - Can I "trust" the camera to meter with the filter on or should I meter without filter and increase exposure 8 - 10 bracketed stops? TIA (BTW The roll of 24 exp Kentmere 400 that I shot with the camera to check it's function has been great and am happy to report that £60 on a 2nd hand camera is well worth it!)
yeah, give that a try 100%. Film is all about experimentation. I normally try a few different settings on a new filter/film combo just so i can decide for myself which i like best.
Focus normally without the filter. Then look at the distance ring on the lens and note where it is against the normal distance mark. Adjust the focus so that the distance is now against the infrared mark. This is only necessary if you are using an infrared filter.
Ah good point!! I forgot to talk about focus - yes infrared focuses slightly differently than visible light (thanks to the mechanics of longer wavelengths). Some lenses have the mark to show how to compensate, otherwise shoot with small aperture (f16 or smaller) to mitigate for the offset. Does that help?
I was looking for this info last night on OL forums. It seems that the lens should be refocussed to between 0.25 - 0.5 % of its focal length ie move the lens focus ring to that much of a shorter distance setting. In practice the focus-shift with IR won't matter if the subject is landscape and/or if aperture is smaller than at f8, ie has a higher f-number.
I am not sure what I did wrong. The pictures shot without the filter came our great and contrasty. The ones shot with the filter came out Grey, grainy and with vertical lines. Wondering if it's the developing or my shooting that went wrong.
In my experience giving 8 - 10 stops more exposure gives very blown-out highlights. i suggest doing a lot of bracketing with the first film. Note that the amount of IR light varies with time of day.
Great video, thanks for doing this. Been meaning to shoot IR for ages but always feels a bit inaccessible. So am I right in thinking that any red filter will have an effect, but the darker the better? Or do I need a specific IR filter? And as I'd be getting a second-hand A36 filter, how do I know how many stops to add?
Spot on - any red filter works but a proper IR-rated one will be best. The filter should also give you the technical details according to it's specs - typically it's 4-5 stops
Hi Ben, I am not too sure about your first question, perhaps some more research and another video on the subject would be good. But in terms of portraiture, I think it depends on the situation. If the subject is still, I'd normally aim for tripod and 1/125 But if no tripod, then make sure the shutter speed is a higher number than focal length to avoid shake I think aperture is more of a thing than shutter speed on portraits. F2.8 can be amazing if you can keep both eyes in focus :) Emma
Use Sunny 16, rate the film at about ISO 8 or 12. So f/16 and 1/8 or 1/15. Bracket anc you should get good results. Needs direct sunlight to get the full IR effect.
Got a roll of this that's been in my fridge for over a year. I keep meaning to get an IR filter. Anyone suggest a good cheap one (Ideally 77mm ring or 100mm Lee fitting)
For feck sake its's infrared you sound like a real W⚓...I am going off to slash up because 'infred' has just pushed me over the edge 🙂 apart from that a good video for all those crazy kids out there learning film photography.
Who is this guy Fred you keep talking about and why is the film in him?
🤣
If you don't have an IR filter a deep red plus a polariser works well. Check your focus scale to see if it has a secondary (usually red) IR focus mark, focus normally, readjust focus to the IR focus point, add filter/filters and shoot. Exposure can be tricky but using ISO 12 should be a good rule of thumb.
The visible spectrum in order is Red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo and violet. It is easily remembered with Roy G Biv.
this is a great tip!
I prefer: “Richard of York gave battle in vain”
Hey, I have an R72 filter, and some rollei 400, I want to shoot on my canon A1, with a 50mm lens, however
1. How do you develop this film?
-can I use ilford ilforsol, stop bath & rapid fixer
2. What ISO do I shoot this at?
-do I meter through my camera’s built in light meter
-if I’m metering, do I meter for like iso 12 with the filter off or iso 400 and just meter through the filter?
-do I need to change the metering stops on my camera (the canon A1 can adjust for metering a few extra stops without an iso change)
Thanks again anyone can answer my questions and queries!
I have been using this film for a while now and find it best exposed at ASA 12 through a Cokin infrared filter and processed in ID11 diluted 1+1 at 9 seconds at 20 degrees C. It can be quite dense and contrasty so don't over-expose of over-develop it.
Brilliant - thank you!
@@AnalogueWonderland I agree with Bill Ebdon. I always shoot it at ISO 12 and develop in either HC-110 for 8.75 min at 20 deg. C
@@bob4chelsea Una consulta, en mi pais (argentina) no consigo HC-110, tengo Microphen y D96, saben si es conveniente revelar Rollei Ir con esos reveladores ?, gracias !
@@marcelodanielbautista3076 Sorry nut I have never used these developers with Rollei IR.
Isn't there a focus correction when shooting IR? On the historic Kodak 4x5 sheet film I used to have to apply some fraction of the focal length of the lens (more extension, usually just a bit). You can tailor the degree of sensitivity to infrared light by using various filters: IR (#29), #25, #15, #12, and #8 in EK series. Each has its own factor so it does get fiddly in the field. Very good samples of IR prints. Very!
The black sections of developed film can act as an IR filter. Not sure how good it'll be to shoot through. I used to use it for electronic projects.
Ooh that's a good tip!! Thank you!
From what I understand, Rollei infrared film works well with 720nm filters but not with 950nm filters. Is that correct?
"...just for fun... and to freak out people." :)
😜
Nice video good going excellent
How do you determine exposure times and aperture settings?
Nice!
To be honest the whole infrared thing hasn't interested me in the past, maybe when we get the "new, improved and more open world" I might get some rolls for the spring and summer season!
Don't forget to mention the focus will be diferente from the normal films. But for the rest great explanation 👍 cheers
Yes someone else here commented as well and I realised I'd forgotten to mention it! Thanks :-)
@@AnalogueWonderland it's totally okay, but your information was so perfect and you only missed that little detail. And I understand when making youtube video there are always something that we miss. Big hug 👍
@@filmlovephotography 😘
The little red dot on the lens on the aperture ring. Not that other red dot😉
@@filmlovephotography Thanks for this - how is the focus different with IR, please?
Hi!
Thanks for the really interesting video!
Sorry, but I don't really get it - how to set the correct shutter speed with the IR filter attached?
Thanks!
You don't mention the focus shift between infrared and visible light, and the fact that many older lenses have a seperate index mark to enable you to adjust the focus to compensate. With an SLR this means first composing and focusing normally without a filter, then adding the filter and correcting the focus before making the exposure.
Thanks for the video - I recently purchased the JCH Streetpan 400 from you guys for my "new to me" Pentax ME Super (Like the one I got in the early 80's as my first film camera) ... I have also a 720nm filter for the 35mm lens ... can I treat this in the same way as the film in this vlog?
Also - Can I "trust" the camera to meter with the filter on or should I meter without filter and increase exposure 8 - 10 bracketed stops?
TIA
(BTW The roll of 24 exp Kentmere 400 that I shot with the camera to check it's function has been great and am happy to report that £60 on a 2nd hand camera is well worth it!)
10 stops? I’ve heard a lot less else where? Great video btw x
Hi,
I have read that Rollei Infrared 400 with R72 infrared filter, I should add 5 stops to the shutter speed.
What is your opinion on that?
yeah, give that a try 100%. Film is all about experimentation. I normally try a few different settings on a new filter/film combo just so i can decide for myself which i like best.
Helpful stuff thanks
I'd love to have some fun with it again but it's been out of stock on Analogue Wonderland for ages now :(
Yes I know 😥 but more IS on it's way! Expected within the next couple of weeks 😁
Where can we upload our photos for the competition? I don't have any social media
Here you go Dylan: analoguewonderland.co.uk/pages/wonderbox-monthly-photo-competition
I have 10 year old infrared Ifke 820.
What should my camera settings be.
Thank you.
I assume this film can be loaded in subdued light, rather than total darkness?
Some lens have a different focus point for infrared, do we can focus through the lens?
Focus normally without the filter. Then look at the distance ring on the lens and note where it is against the normal distance mark. Adjust the focus so that the distance is now against the infrared mark. This is only necessary if you are using an infrared filter.
Ah good point!! I forgot to talk about focus - yes infrared focuses slightly differently than visible light (thanks to the mechanics of longer wavelengths). Some lenses have the mark to show how to compensate, otherwise shoot with small aperture (f16 or smaller) to mitigate for the offset. Does that help?
I was looking for this info last night on OL forums. It seems that the lens should be refocussed to between 0.25 - 0.5 % of its focal length ie move the lens focus ring to that much of a shorter distance setting. In practice the focus-shift with IR won't matter if the subject is landscape and/or if aperture is smaller than at f8, ie has a higher f-number.
@@davidmurray1304 yep spot on
I am not sure what I did wrong.
The pictures shot without the filter came our great and contrasty.
The ones shot with the filter came out Grey, grainy and with vertical lines.
Wondering if it's the developing or my shooting that went wrong.
In my experience giving 8 - 10 stops more exposure gives very blown-out highlights. i suggest doing a lot of bracketing with the first film. Note that the amount of IR light varies with time of day.
ah excellent tip! thank you David ☺️
Do you need to focus differently than with visible light?
Yes that's right - if you're using an SLR with old lens then often there is a red dot on the focusing ring to show the necessary adjustment 😊
With the Kodak infra red film it had to be handled in complete darkness
Is it the same with Rollei infra red?
Great video, thanks for doing this. Been meaning to shoot IR for ages but always feels a bit inaccessible. So am I right in thinking that any red filter will have an effect, but the darker the better? Or do I need a specific IR filter? And as I'd be getting a second-hand A36 filter, how do I know how many stops to add?
Spot on - any red filter works but a proper IR-rated one will be best. The filter should also give you the technical details according to it's specs - typically it's 4-5 stops
Can we shoot it at night, without a red filter
yep!
Would you be able to use this in the dark without a filter?
What speed should I use with a Zorki 1 ( Leica 2 copy)
I have a NIKON R60 is that red enough?? with this film
Yes it should be enough to make an impact and bring out some of the IR effect
@@AnalogueWonderland thank you can one push or pull IR film?
@@gman922 yep!
How does snow reflect IR light compared to leaves? And what speed should you shoot at if you're attempting portraits?
Hi Ben, I am not too sure about your first question, perhaps some more research and another video on the subject would be good. But in terms of portraiture, I think it depends on the situation. If the subject is still, I'd normally aim for tripod and 1/125
But if no tripod, then make sure the shutter speed is a higher number than focal length to avoid shake
I think aperture is more of a thing than shutter speed on portraits. F2.8 can be amazing if you can keep both eyes in focus :) Emma
Could you shoot IR with a point and shoot that has no filter?
Yes, you can. It'll just be black and white.
How do pine trees and redwood trees show up on Rollei Infrared?
Hi ya would a iso 25 ,f16 ,1sec on a bright day with the 780nm filter exposure correctly?
Use Sunny 16, rate the film at about ISO 8 or 12. So f/16 and 1/8 or 1/15. Bracket anc you should get good results. Needs direct sunlight to get the full IR effect.
Got a roll of this that's been in my fridge for over a year. I keep meaning to get an IR filter. Anyone suggest a good cheap one (Ideally 77mm ring or 100mm Lee fitting)
Don’t know if it fits Lee fitting but what about Cokin A ( small)or P ( larger)
I'm sorry but why are you calling it Infred?
Oops haha 😅
please explain the required focus adjustment red mark on lenses
"Infred, or as it used to be known, infrared."
It still IS known as infrared, you're the only one I've ever heard refer to it as infred.
It is best to have the digital camera converted IR by ATG.
Our ATG A-1, GFX 100 & DSC-RX10 V are modified for IR.
You're on the wrong page. This is "ANALOGUE Wonderland,"
If only dogs could paint?
People know how to pronounce Leica but not Rollei. 😢
Es tut mir leid! 😫
1. Dont forget to load in the dark ! 2.How to develop the film ?
WRONG. Rollei indicates it can be loaded like any other film, in subdued light. This belief is a hold over from discontinued Kodak IR film.
For feck sake its's infrared you sound like a real W⚓...I am going off to slash up because 'infred' has just pushed me over the edge 🙂
apart from that a good video for all those crazy kids out there learning film photography.
You did not mention the difference in focusing.
There's no such word as infred! Stop butchering the language!
Well said !
Would you be able to use this in the dark without a filter?
Would you be able to use this in the dark without a filter?