Freya: Do you know the pain of losing a child? Brok: Do you know the difficulties that come with being resurrected? Sindri: Do you know difficult it is to lose a brother? Odin: Have any idea what it means to have your fate predetermined? Tyr: Do you even know what it is like to be locked up for what seemed a century? Artreus: Have you ever had an upbringing as difficult and traumatizing as mine? Thor: Have you ever been in the service of a god that only uses you as a mindless killing machine? Valyries: Do you what it is like to be in the service of a pantheon only to have them betray you? Kratos: *Hmm..* Mimir: Ever been just a head?
Mimir: Ever been just a head? Kratos: No ... Kratos: But Flashlight knows! *Shows Helios head* Mimir: I knew you were cracked brother, but you need help
I know she didn’t know Kratos had a kid before Atreus, but it’s good to remind us that Kratos has lost technically 2 children, his daughter being the first, and Pandora being the second. I say Pandora because he saw a lot of calliope in her and also respected Hephaestus enough to not kill his daughter.
He respected Hephetus As he fought to protect to his daughter as any father should or at least that's what kratos thought I love how even this game kept that relationship consistent respecting hefestus for protecting his daughter at the cost of his own life
There's also Orkos, Ares' Son whom was responsible for releasing Kratos from his contract with Ares at the cost of his own life. Kratos gave Orkos a funeral pyre before marching off to do battle with Ares for all that happened.
Freya: _It's terrible, poor blacksmith._ Kratos: _Yeah, I killed him._ Freya: _What? Why?_ Kratos: _Self-defense._ Freya: _Why did he attack you?_ Ktaros: _I was going to sacrifice his child to open the box._ Mimir: _Think that's enough stories brother....._
Kratos wasn't planning on sacrificing Pandora though. She jumped into the fire when kratos tried to stop her. Hephastus just assumed kratos would hurt her because of kratos past but even after kratos was forced to kill him, kratos still thought highly of hephastus and defended his honor when Helios started badmouthing hephastus when kratos was about to rip his head off.
@@calebstephan2083 you have the order of this completely wrong man helios dies way before hephastus lol and kratos absolutely WAS GOING TO throw pandora in the fire he had planned it all along up until they started connecting and making their way up Olympus you either didnt play the game or have the soft daddy kratos vibes from the new game in your head kratos is a straight animal in GOW1-3
"Impaled by me and his daughter too died, i just gave her some context to kill herself". "And yes, i killed my father and my uncles and thier cousins, their wives etc and my half brother too".
Kratos has been through the ringer, Freya. His brother was kidnapped, he killed his wife and daughter, was enslaved by the Gods, got killed again, killed Ares, killed his mom, killed Persephone who tortured him with his dead daughter, got killed… again by his own damn father, was almost erased from existence, killed his half brothers and cousins, then killed his grandfather, and killed his great grandmother, then brutally and savagely beat his dad to death, then killed himself only to get up and walk away to Egypt and fight a Hippopotamus before coming to Midgard.
10 years later... Freya: Remember that story you told me about the box and the little girl? Kratos: Yes. Freya: Let me guess, you killed the blacksmith? Kratos: hmm.
Kratos: "Remember the time when I told you about my wife and daughter being slain?" Freya: "What about it, Kratos?" Kratos: *Points at his skin.* "Meet them." Mimir: "By the Gods, mate..."
There's a wrong point about Kratos's story, especially his home. Odin desecrated Freya's homeland, but at least it still there... Zeus *wiped Sparta out* . *Clean* . *Slate*
@@rojaedavis8367 Yes you're right, but the original comment had a false equivalence between what Odin did and what Zues did so that's what I was correcting
@@rojaedavis8367 no he didn't. I mean yea but actually no. Athena tells him after the events of God of war 3 to go back home and fullfill your destiny. Read the comic book god of war fallen god
@@lonewanderer1328 yea no Ik that but I was talking about how Kratos was speaking in third person “he died protecting her from those trying to open the box” but he killed the blacksmith himself
Cant fault her tho. Every last one of his stories are grim as hell, with good reason but she did need to ask of he meant anything by it when telling them to a grieving person.
small detail, but I love how Freya repeats Calliope’s name after Kratos mentions her. Quietly, like she is thinking over this lovely name of Kratos’ dead daughter, and carefully, like she knows it means a great deal for Kratos to divulge this information to her. When she says “I can’t imagine” after Kratos tells her what happened, she is conceding that Kratos knows how she feels and she can’t presume everything about him as well. I enjoy the shades of complexities all the characters have in this game, and it’s so worth it to see Kratos and Freya become friends again.
And what was worse is that he slained his own daughter that’s why his guilt weighs so heavy. Killed by another is one thing but by your hand is unforgivable to one’s self. Remember he lost his wife and daughter twice when Aries brought them back to life and used the blades to kill them again so again he was unable to save them
I don't think Freya was ready to admit that while he was physically saving her he was spiritually saving her son. Baldur was so tormented and would not find peace with killing her. Kratos knew this. The only way he could save them was by ending Baldur. Baldur would not find any peace while alive. And Freya was still needed in the world. A bitter pill but Kratos took the burden of it on himself to do what was right for all. I think eventually she came to realize Kratos did the right thing. As much as it hurt them all.
"I can't imagine" as also a way to admit that she can't even fathom having done something like that.... where moments ago it was "can you even imagine".... Yes he can imagine losing a child...but worst...he's had to lose that same child not once.. But twice(because he left elysium"....
Kratos: he died trying to protect his daughter. Freya: let me guess you killed him? Kratos: after banging his wife. Mimir: BROTHER!!! Kratos: and killing his siblings. Freya: daguq? Kratos: and used one of their heads as a flashlight. Mimir: I'M SORRY, WUT?!?! Kratos: all of this is after I pissed off our dad so much he mangled the blacksmiths face. Freya: is there an upside to this story? Kratos: I decided not to kill his daughter. Freya: oh thank goodness. Kratos: she died anyway, but it was an accident. Mimir: bloody hell brother.
I love how Kratos says Mimir a better storyteller then him. Really shows how much he values Mimir even outside of him being a council to his problems. They are truly bros.
Funnily enough, in actual Norse mythology, during a war, Mimir’s head was sent as a warning back to Odin in Asguard. He kept it and used magic herbs and spells on it so it would live again, and Mimir, though only a head, would give Odin council when needed. Preserving the sage’s vast knowledge. Good thing he’s ended up with Kratos though. It makes a lot of sense too, as Kratos felt great empathy for Prometheus, a figure similar to Minir that was a victim of the gods for his compassion to humanity.
You can tell he's trying to show how he's able to sympathize. It's not a matter of who had it worse, it's that Kratos could see the similarities between himself and Freya. He never fought back against her because she had been a friend who saved Atreus' life, but more than that, he didn't want to give her more reason to continue down that path. He knows where it leads. Freya is fortunate, being able to see this. Of course, it's helped by the fact that Kratos' words carry a considerable amount of weight considering what everyone knows about the "Ghost of Sparta". Kratos loses his family, kills the entire greek pantheon. Who's to say Freya wouldn't have gone on to do something similar to the Norse gods?
Yep. He’s killed her son and she’s trying to seek revenge he’s knows EXACTLY what that’s like and how it ended for him. No way he would want to kill her for trying to take that kind of revenge or he would be like Ares
At this point in his long life of misery and tragedy, he’s just trying to guide the gods who will listen to his wisdom of experience and not make his same mistakes. Most like Thor would say Kratos doesn’t know the atrocities he’s committed, that he doesn’t deserve pure forgiveness or redemption. But Kratos knows the high road of “being better” is harder to walk than the violent one he has. He doesn’t want to witness other gods take the road if vengeance, wrath, and self isolation as he has. After his revenge was complete he still felt empty. Many gods are on the path he once was, he merely is trying to break that cycle and give them the chance to be more, to be better. Kratos is arguably the most human, and most tragic of the gods.
I like how in this game freya and mimir ask kratos about his homeland. something Atreus wouldn't do. just neat to see how these different people see these stories.
Atreus seemed to think less of his father just because he never saw anything about him. Had he known the kind of general Kratos was I'm sure he wouldn't have said many of the things he had. But I also just think the context Kratos gave him was enough for him to just assume the rest. But he doesn't know the gravity of the things Kratos did I think. But he will.... when he visits Greece himself like he said he would
@@psychoticdaizyproductions569 I think Atreus just sees Kratos as his father, and not who he was before he met Faye. Atreus didn't learn about his Father's godhood until his mother died, so he spent a good while seeing a tame version of Kratos alongside Faye. It'll be quite the culture shock to learn that the name Kratos isn't so welcomely said, as the numerous myths will tell you why. If I recall, there are only two of the original Greek Pantheon alive: Demeter being one of them. If and when they do meet, both parties will have two different versions of Kratos to tell
@@ivanivan744 Artemis is also alive and we all know there can never be enough strong independent women who don't need no man in a story these days. I don't doubt Atreus would meet her if he went to Greece
@@psychoticdaizyproductions569 Artemis: "Wait, you said you're the son of Kratos?" Atreus: "Uhm, yeah" Artemis: "Kratos, the ghost of sparta?" Atreus:"Yeeah?" (Artemis aims her bow at Atreus, and shoots an arrow at him. Atreus rolls out of the way in time) Atreus: "I know he did a lot of bad things here, but he's changed!" Artemis: " 'Bad things' is a heavy understatement. If he sent you here to finish what he started, I'll make sure to send him back your head!"
Another thing: Freya was lucky enough that her own people, the Vanir, still exist despite of them casting her out. Kratos had his wiped out, not to mention he was tricked to slay the last mortal Spartan who is a good and loyal soldier, who too was tricked.
@@Malthizar What a strong human though, Spartans really are impressive, this one stood toe to toe with a very very angry not holding back Kratos for awhile. He was straight up a bullet sponge
@@soulsofwar8985 it's the same thing with kratos not being able to jump to a ledge so he needs a crate or a statue to be able to jump on the ledge while in cutscenes or in lore he's able to jump very very very high without the use of double jump
The voice actress for Freya is so good with her delivery You can hear the breath leave her as she heard what happened to Kratos' daughter When you're a parent and you hear something so tragic involving someone's child, it's like someone had just pushed a ball right into your chest forcing all the air out And the way she said "I...cahhn't imagine" captures the sound of trying to talk while the wind is emotionally knocked out of you perfectly.
Kratos truly is a changed man. Everyone around him constantly telling him ''Oh you know nothing about this or what I am going through or feeling''...yet he literally went through the worst versions of everything they say, yet polite enough not to instantly rebuff them with anger. Old Kratos would've murdered them instantly.
Kratos is the perfect person for Freya and Sindri to relate and talk to, he’s lost 2 children, his brother, his wife and his home. Although there’s nothing even Kratos could say to ease the pain, he is the perfect guide to finding peace.
@Calebe Eco extreme yeah Kratos kill her, Zeus cursed Kratos's mother Calisto, if she really said the name of Kratos's father to Kratos she would turn into a monster, and at that time Kratos' mother wanted to tell the truth, before she could say Kratos' mother turned into a monster and Kratos was forced to kill her.
Moral of the story: no matter how tragic your life is, there can always be someone who had it worse. It should be noted how Kratos leaves out the lurid details of his stories, such as the fact that he carries the ashes of his dead wife and daughter on his skin or that he was the one who killed Pandora's father.
I figured the "ghost of sparta" in the name speaks for itself and if Mimir knew about the battle of the hot gates and Kratos going back in time himself- I'm sure they don't need context- they know why his skins like that
I been playing GOW since the first one came out..long before I was even supposed to be playing M rated games lol. But man, if you’ve been following Kratos story since then you can’t help but love this guy. This man has had Zuko level character development
Technically he's right. Hephaestus wanted to protect Pandora and knew Kratos needed to sacrifice her to open the box. He, in fact, did die protecting his daughter
Freya: You don't know how it feels to lose a child Sindri: You don't know how it feels to lose a brother Atreus: You don't know how it feels to be traumatized as a child Thor: You don't know what it feels to be used as a killing machine Kratos: well... Mimir: You don't know what it feels to not have a dick Kratos: You poor bastard, I can't even imagine
"What happened?" "I was dying, I prayed to Aries, the god of war to make me his champion so I could turn the tide of battle.He accepted me and gifted me with the blades of chaos, he poisoned my mind with anger and illusions. He made me murder my daughter and wife against my judgement in a blind rage. Their ashes were then stained onto my cursed flesh, it's why I'm pale. That, is why I killed an entire pantheon."
I love how Freya learning about kratos's daughter has her immediately getting a new perspective on him. You can tell from that moment she softened just a tiny bit
Matt Sophos and Richard Gaubert are truly writers of the highest caliber They took every aspect of the past games and weaved them to give Ragnarok an emotional weight, I haven't seen before in a game.
I'd love to see their reactions to certain minutiae of Kratos' personal history like: 1. How the ashes of Lysandra and Calliope are still bonded to him 2. How he got a new power by literally gouging out a titan's left eye 3. How he went to the underworld and got out at least 6-7 times 4. How he beat the shit out of Poseidon and had his wife smushed under a lever 5. How he tore off Helios' head and used it as a flashlight 6. How he caved his other brother's face in wearing oversized boxing gloves The list goes on
Kratos : " After demise of my wife and daughter, i know that they'll always be with me" Freya : " thats so sweet" Kratos " No. I mean their ashes are clinged to my body for eternity. This is why im pale white and why im called ghost of sparta"
To be fair, I'm pretty sure it's in his resume as the "Ghost of Sparta" when he entered the land. If they knew about him slaying the many gods of Olympus, they know about THAT particular detail for sure.
@@P-M01 pretty sure the guy was pure mortal. You know Zeus and his Almighty Libido... *Not even a "peacock" escape his horny grasp, never you mention somebody else's wife.*
@@zacksilverstone7642 pretty sure he was a demigod, when kratos fought him deimos did a number on kratos and yes kratos did let him win but deimos was still able to inflect a lot a damage.
I'm glad Kratos shared his story. I was kinda getting annoyed how self-pitying and bitter Freya is. Sure, her son died but to automatically think she's the one who suffered most is what bothered me cuz she's supposed to be very understanding. At least she stopped being insensitive when faced with someone with equal or arguably greater suffering.
So? Why should she know about his tragic past? He killed her son and she wanted to die. Her forgiving Kratos is a strong act and would you remind me how long was he angry at everyone and blaming everyone but himself?
@@dafank8633 did you forget how at the end of the first game he tried taking his own life because he got revenge for his wife and daughter and wanted to take his own life so he could join them?
You, like many others, don't understand Kratos as a character. GoW1 he's tricked by Athena. GoW2 he's tricked by Zeus. GoW3 he's tricked by Gaia and Athena. He doesn't blame anyone for what he did to his family. The first game is literally about him just trying to be forgiven for what he did
To see Kratos being softened up to tell stories about his past after everyone he has ever cared about before Midgard dead by his or other's hand is true character development.
poetic how odin dies a similar way zeus dies, albeit not entirely his fault: they both are killed because of their fears. we have a song for that irl: betrayal of fear, and it is a banger song.
Kratos had gone through almost everything the main side character of ragnarok struggle, Thor as killing machine, freya losing her children,tyr locked up,sindri losing a brother,Brok resurrection 5 times or more,
It's funny how Freya talks about loss to someone who has lost two wives, one daughter, a nephew ( orkos), and a slew of Brothers, his uncle's one of which soul he still has, his father, grandmother, and grandfather, the majority of them he had to kill himself.
I mean, say you were cursed with a mark that serves not to only remind you, but also your allies of the fucked up shit you did. Would you tell your new allies about that fucked up shit, so that the mark is now a constant reminder for them aswell?
You know I'm glad kratos doesn't hold hepheastus in bad standing for trying to kill him. As a father he knows the lengths he would go to protect his child, and even more so what he did to avenge her
Im glad kratos was softened up a bit in this game, he’s still the deadly, feriocious god of war, but he’s more open to everyone like his son, to mimir, to freya. Its a nice thing to see
It's interesting too, you see how Freya over time comes around to realizing he wasn't against her, he was trying to save her. And he did give Baldur his wish of feelin pain or anything, but Kratos realized that it wasn't fair to just do it yourself, and hearing all the homages made him giving his regrets and affirmations of knowing he was in the wrong to Freya.... Good god these developers are wonderful.
Fun fact: "laconic" is an amusingly correct word choice by Mimir in describing Kratos' fables. Sparta is the main city in the Greek region of Laconia, hence why the Spartans had a lambda (the Greek letter L) on their shields. Ancient Spartans stereotypically had a tendency toward brevity of wit; training in this specific form of rhetoric was part of the training in the agoge.
I like the fact that Kratos is the one engaging in these stories cause he cares about Freya and is worried of her but is not really sure he has a right so he just shares it anyways, no morals attached, or saying my pain is greater, just that he has his own demons and its not impossible to confront hers.
@@RealRHernz She forgave him for it what does it mean that they’re going to be in a relationship considering he still killed her kid. Would you go out with a the one that murdered your son
Well about that, You see Freya has 2 other children we haven't seen yet Hnoss and Gersemi which she had with another God who was supposed to be a "Replacement" you could say for odin called Óðr which translates to "The Divine Fury" or "The frenzied one". Now who would you think that sounds like?
Kratos and Freya, are yet another reminder that we shouldn’t say that someone can’t understand our struggles Someone, will always understand the pain we feel, they may even feel worse pain from a similar source
Props to the writters and the actors for doing almost all this conversations twice, one for Freya and one for Atreus. In my game, Kratos was telling the story of the blacksmith to Atreus, it was similar but the approach is different since Freya and Atreus take the story in different ways
I like how even though Hephaestus ended up being Kratos' enemy that he would kill, Kratos still respected Hephaestus even after death, I imagine that he was one of the few that he had remorse for killing.
@@Asianman66 yeah his mother disowned him, his father beat him within an inch of his life and trapped him a fire filled gorge, his wife cheated on him with multiple gods and chamber maids, then slept with the guy who ultimately killed him and caused his daughter's death. They really crapped on Hephaestus
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Freya: Do you know the pain of losing a child?
Brok: Do you know the difficulties that come with being resurrected?
Sindri: Do you know difficult it is to lose a brother?
Odin: Have any idea what it means to have your fate predetermined?
Tyr: Do you even know what it is like to be locked up for what seemed a century?
Artreus: Have you ever had an upbringing as difficult and traumatizing as mine?
Thor: Have you ever been in the service of a god that only uses you as a mindless killing machine?
Valyries: Do you what it is like to be in the service of a pantheon only to have them betray you?
Kratos: *Hmm..*
Mimir: Ever been just a head?
best post here.
Mimir for the win lol
atreus wouldn't say that but i get the joke
When I think of it, it took all of their suffering just to make one Kratos.
Mimir: Ever been just a head?
Kratos: No
...
Kratos: But Flashlight knows! *Shows Helios head*
Mimir: I knew you were cracked brother, but you need help
Freya: “You think you can begin to understand the pain of losing a child?”
Kratos: “There’s a reason why I’m gray”
Hits hard
"Some would confuse me as white that why peolpe called me the ghost of Sparta. Instead of the ash of Olympus"
Baby Powder👶🏼
I didnt see the R in gray
@@junaspalms literally
I know she didn’t know Kratos had a kid before Atreus, but it’s good to remind us that Kratos has lost technically 2 children, his daughter being the first, and Pandora being the second. I say Pandora because he saw a lot of calliope in her and also respected Hephaestus enough to not kill his daughter.
He respected Hephetus
As he fought to protect to his daughter as any father should or at least that's what kratos thought
I love how even this game kept that relationship consistent respecting hefestus for protecting his daughter at the cost of his own life
There's also Orkos, Ares' Son whom was responsible for releasing Kratos from his contract with Ares at the cost of his own life. Kratos gave Orkos a funeral pyre before marching off to do battle with Ares for all that happened.
@@0hvist they're more like friends than a father and son relationship
And don't forget about Deimos, ghost of sparta was the first god of war i played btw
and zeus saw fit to trash talk him in the worst moment
Freya: _It's terrible, poor blacksmith._
Kratos: _Yeah, I killed him._
Freya: _What? Why?_
Kratos: _Self-defense._
Freya: _Why did he attack you?_
Ktaros: _I was going to sacrifice his child to open the box._
Mimir: _Think that's enough stories brother....._
Also Kratos: And I fucked his wife too.
His past is about pain, loss, betrayal and vengeance.
Lol fr though, when i heard "the blacksmith died trying to protect her" wait a second..... didnt you?? nvm... loll
Kratos wasn't planning on sacrificing Pandora though. She jumped into the fire when kratos tried to stop her. Hephastus just assumed kratos would hurt her because of kratos past but even after kratos was forced to kill him, kratos still thought highly of hephastus and defended his honor when Helios started badmouthing hephastus when kratos was about to rip his head off.
@@calebstephan2083 you have the order of this completely wrong man helios dies way before hephastus lol and kratos absolutely WAS GOING TO throw pandora in the fire he had planned it all along up until they started connecting and making their way up Olympus you either didnt play the game or have the soft daddy kratos vibes from the new game in your head kratos is a straight animal in GOW1-3
Freya:”your stories aren’t exactly a comfort kratos, but, go ahead and finish”
Kratos:”and then he died”
just like trunks and gohan from abridged on android 16: "and then he died too."
@@olyviermonteau4300 what cultured brother
@@lordn3m3sis kekw
Freya: "And how did he die"
Kratos: "... I killed him."
Freya:
"Impaled by me and his daughter too died, i just gave her some context to kill herself". "And yes, i killed my father and my uncles and thier cousins, their wives etc and my half brother too".
"He died trying to protect her from those who would open it..."
"Well at least it is a relatable story"
"I wasn't finished..."
"Of fuck it's even more relatable now"
Kratos: This blacksmith was slain by Deez.
Freya: What or who is De-
Kratos: Deez Hands
Nice
😂😂😂
Kratos has been through the ringer, Freya. His brother was kidnapped, he killed his wife and daughter, was enslaved by the Gods, got killed again, killed Ares, killed his mom, killed Persephone who tortured him with his dead daughter, got killed… again by his own damn father, was almost erased from existence, killed his half brothers and cousins, then killed his grandfather, and killed his great grandmother, then brutally and savagely beat his dad to death, then killed himself only to get up and walk away to Egypt and fight a Hippopotamus before coming to Midgard.
Why is the hippo the strangest bit here WHY IS THE 4000 POUND TARD OF LARD AND RAGE ISSUES THE STRANGEST BIT WTF XD
Hold up. Hippo?
I thought he drowned, bled out and drifted all the way to Midgard?
@@vihuynhquang5204 it was described by Cory Barlog, The Author of GOW
A HUGE hippopotamus. And a Crocodile that was 50 smaller than it.
so you tell me,this rage incarnate bald man is fighting a hippo?and you didnt tell me who won?
ps:kinda rooting for the hippo
10 years later...
Freya: Remember that story you told me about the box and the little girl?
Kratos: Yes.
Freya: Let me guess, you killed the blacksmith?
Kratos: hmm.
Well hes doing it first
Kratos was _self defense_ himself
Kratos: Yes, oh but before that can I tell you about how I disemboweled by grandfather? Shit was crazy!
Kratos: "Remember the time when I told you about my wife and daughter being slain?"
Freya: "What about it, Kratos?"
Kratos: *Points at his skin.* "Meet them."
Mimir: "By the Gods, mate..."
"I was defending myself"
He was. He didn't wanna kill dude
@@zacksilverstone7642 Mimir: *Gags* "Oh I can't even bloody vomit b-" *gags*
There's a wrong point about Kratos's story, especially his home.
Odin desecrated Freya's homeland, but at least it still there...
Zeus *wiped Sparta out* . *Clean* . *Slate*
Didn't he stop that when he went back in time?
@@lilaclaza Yup. And Kratos ended up inadvertently destroying his home anyways
@@rojaedavis8367 it's still there, you can still visit it for about $200
@@rojaedavis8367 Yes you're right, but the original comment had a false equivalence between what Odin did and what Zues did so that's what I was correcting
@@rojaedavis8367 no he didn't. I mean yea but actually no. Athena tells him after the events of God of war 3 to go back home and fullfill your destiny.
Read the comic book god of war fallen god
4:20 “He died protecting her” that’s a massive understatement when uk Kratos killed the blacksmith himself.
Everyone thought hope was in the box. She was trying to stop Zeus with her suicide. It was in Vain
@@lonewanderer1328 yea no Ik that but I was talking about how Kratos was speaking in third person “he died protecting her from those trying to open the box” but he killed the blacksmith himself
I mean, he did regret the act and thought his death as honorable in the very game...
Don't forget: he also killed the daughter, although he didn't intend to
Poor Hephaestus...
“He died trying to protect her from those who would open it.”
“Well, at least it’s a relatable story.”
“And then I opened it.”
"And turned out the box was empty so they basically died for nothing"
"Yeah I killed him and sacrificed his daughter to open the box"
@@manusiabumi7673 yeah, exactly
@@googane7755 tbf, he did try to save her at first
@@googane7755 To be frank she sacrificed herself so he could open the box
I love how Freya humored him in such a gentle way at the end. “Go ahead, finish your story.”
Cant fault her tho. Every last one of his stories are grim as hell, with good reason but she did need to ask of he meant anything by it when telling them to a grieving person.
small detail, but I love how Freya repeats Calliope’s name after Kratos mentions her. Quietly, like she is thinking over this lovely name of Kratos’ dead daughter, and carefully, like she knows it means a great deal for Kratos to divulge this information to her. When she says “I can’t imagine” after Kratos tells her what happened, she is conceding that Kratos knows how she feels and she can’t presume everything about him as well. I enjoy the shades of complexities all the characters have in this game, and it’s so worth it to see Kratos and Freya become friends again.
And what was worse is that he slained his own daughter that’s why his guilt weighs so heavy. Killed by another is one thing but by your hand is unforgivable to one’s self. Remember he lost his wife and daughter twice when Aries brought them back to life and used the blades to kill them again so again he was unable to save them
I don't think Freya was ready to admit that while he was physically saving her he was spiritually saving her son. Baldur was so tormented and would not find peace with killing her. Kratos knew this. The only way he could save them was by ending Baldur. Baldur would not find any peace while alive. And Freya was still needed in the world. A bitter pill but Kratos took the burden of it on himself to do what was right for all. I think eventually she came to realize Kratos did the right thing. As much as it hurt them all.
@@jacobfreeman5444 kinda like putting a rabid dog down.
the way she said calliope with such a gentle and caring tone in her voice
"I can't imagine" as also a way to admit that she can't even fathom having done something like that.... where moments ago it was "can you even imagine"....
Yes he can imagine losing a child...but worst...he's had to lose that same child not once..
But twice(because he left elysium"....
Kratos: he died trying to protect his daughter.
Freya: let me guess you killed him?
Kratos: after banging his wife.
Mimir: BROTHER!!!
Kratos: and killing his siblings.
Freya: daguq?
Kratos: and used one of their heads as a flashlight.
Mimir: I'M SORRY, WUT?!?!
Kratos: all of this is after I pissed off our dad so much he mangled the blacksmiths face.
Freya: is there an upside to this story?
Kratos: I decided not to kill his daughter.
Freya: oh thank goodness.
Kratos: she died anyway, but it was an accident.
Mimir: bloody hell brother.
Damn, you depicted Mimir perfectly
I love how Kratos says Mimir a better storyteller then him. Really shows how much he values Mimir even outside of him being a council to his problems. They are truly bros.
Funnily enough, in actual Norse mythology, during a war, Mimir’s head was sent as a warning back to Odin in Asguard. He kept it and used magic herbs and spells on it so it would live again, and Mimir, though only a head, would give Odin council when needed. Preserving the sage’s vast knowledge. Good thing he’s ended up with Kratos though. It makes a lot of sense too, as Kratos felt great empathy for Prometheus, a figure similar to Minir that was a victim of the gods for his compassion to humanity.
Yeah and i am happy to see Kratos finally have a friend that he can trust after Orkos.
You can tell he's trying to show how he's able to sympathize. It's not a matter of who had it worse, it's that Kratos could see the similarities between himself and Freya. He never fought back against her because she had been a friend who saved Atreus' life, but more than that, he didn't want to give her more reason to continue down that path. He knows where it leads. Freya is fortunate, being able to see this. Of course, it's helped by the fact that Kratos' words carry a considerable amount of weight considering what everyone knows about the "Ghost of Sparta". Kratos loses his family, kills the entire greek pantheon. Who's to say Freya wouldn't have gone on to do something similar to the Norse gods?
Yep. He’s killed her son and she’s trying to seek revenge he’s knows EXACTLY what that’s like and how it ended for him. No way he would want to kill her for trying to take that kind of revenge or he would be like Ares
What a rough way to start marriege 💀
Yeah, he is trying to make Freya see that there's some common ground between them. That way, she does not have to bear the pain of loss by herself.
nah Frayea isnt as bad ass or op as kratos
At this point in his long life of misery and tragedy, he’s just trying to guide the gods who will listen to his wisdom of experience and not make his same mistakes. Most like Thor would say Kratos doesn’t know the atrocities he’s committed, that he doesn’t deserve pure forgiveness or redemption. But Kratos knows the high road of “being better” is harder to walk than the violent one he has. He doesn’t want to witness other gods take the road if vengeance, wrath, and self isolation as he has. After his revenge was complete he still felt empty. Many gods are on the path he once was, he merely is trying to break that cycle and give them the chance to be more, to be better. Kratos is arguably the most human, and most tragic of the gods.
Freya: I had it worse!
Kratos: Ok
She-Hulk and Hulk vibes
@@PestiLencE638 and funnily enough, the exact same reaction when compared to that particularly frustrating scene! Lol
@@PestiLencE638 hardly the same thing in this scene, Freya actually respects Kratos and his story here
@@tyrellwilson9334 cry about it lol
@@tyrellwilson9334 Literally just a joke bro, chill out.
For him to tell anyone he killed his old family and how it happened is HUGE.
Well I think Freya a second chance for Athena and actually work together and be friends
"What do you know about losing a child?"
Me: So whose gonna tell her 💀
Kratos: So no I'm not albino, that's something entirely different and you'd skin me alive for fully saying it.
@@anglepsycho super kami guru: "kill it like the rest.."
I like how in this game freya and mimir ask kratos about his homeland. something Atreus
wouldn't do. just neat to see how these different people see these stories.
Maybe because Atreus was so busy discovering about Ragnarok that him questioning kratos about his Homeland didn't come to his mind
Atreus seemed to think less of his father just because he never saw anything about him. Had he known the kind of general Kratos was I'm sure he wouldn't have said many of the things he had.
But I also just think the context Kratos gave him was enough for him to just assume the rest.
But he doesn't know the gravity of the things Kratos did I think.
But he will.... when he visits Greece himself like he said he would
@@psychoticdaizyproductions569 I think Atreus just sees Kratos as his father, and not who he was before he met Faye. Atreus didn't learn about his Father's godhood until his mother died, so he spent a good while seeing a tame version of Kratos alongside Faye. It'll be quite the culture shock to learn that the name Kratos isn't so welcomely said, as the numerous myths will tell you why.
If I recall, there are only two of the original Greek Pantheon alive: Demeter being one of them. If and when they do meet, both parties will have two different versions of Kratos to tell
@@ivanivan744 Artemis is also alive and we all know there can never be enough strong independent women who don't need no man in a story these days. I don't doubt Atreus would meet her if he went to Greece
@@psychoticdaizyproductions569
Artemis: "Wait, you said you're the son of Kratos?"
Atreus: "Uhm, yeah"
Artemis: "Kratos, the ghost of sparta?"
Atreus:"Yeeah?"
(Artemis aims her bow at Atreus, and shoots an arrow at him. Atreus rolls out of the way in time)
Atreus: "I know he did a lot of bad things here, but he's changed!"
Artemis: " 'Bad things' is a heavy understatement. If he sent you here to finish what he started, I'll make sure to send him back your head!"
Another thing: Freya was lucky enough that her own people, the Vanir, still exist despite of them casting her out. Kratos had his wiped out, not to mention he was tricked to slay the last mortal Spartan who is a good and loyal soldier, who too was tricked.
"Tricked" isn't really accurate. It was dark and he assumed the guy was an enemy
@@Malthizar What a strong human though, Spartans really are impressive, this one stood toe to toe with a very very angry not holding back Kratos for awhile. He was straight up a bullet sponge
@@soulsofwar8985 ok thats just gameplay... kratos is fcukin multiversal X outerversal
@@soulsofwar8985 it's the same thing with kratos not being able to jump to a ledge so he needs a crate or a statue to be able to jump on the ledge while in cutscenes or in lore he's able to jump very very very high without the use of double jump
The voice actress for Freya is so good with her delivery
You can hear the breath leave her as she heard what happened to Kratos' daughter
When you're a parent and you hear something so tragic involving someone's child, it's like someone had just pushed a ball right into your chest forcing all the air out
And the way she said "I...cahhn't imagine" captures the sound of trying to talk while the wind is emotionally knocked out of you perfectly.
It is so satisfying to hear about Deimos from Kratos. After hundreds of years of madness and slaughter he still remember and love his brother 🥹
Kratos truly is a changed man. Everyone around him constantly telling him ''Oh you know nothing about this or what I am going through or feeling''...yet he literally went through the worst versions of everything they say, yet polite enough not to instantly rebuff them with anger.
Old Kratos would've murdered them instantly.
Kratos is the perfect person for Freya and Sindri to relate and talk to, he’s lost 2 children, his brother, his wife and his home. Although there’s nothing even Kratos could say to ease the pain, he is the perfect guide to finding peace.
Don't forget his mother as well
And pretty much all of them HE killed... Spartan life is hard.
@Calebe Eco extreme yeah Kratos kill her, Zeus cursed Kratos's mother Calisto, if she really said the name of Kratos's father to Kratos she would turn into a monster, and at that time Kratos' mother wanted to tell the truth, before she could say Kratos' mother turned into a monster and Kratos was forced to kill her.
Find peace by destroying a land then settle far away
*two wives
Moral of the story: no matter how tragic your life is, there can always be someone who had it worse.
It should be noted how Kratos leaves out the lurid details of his stories, such as the fact that he carries the ashes of his dead wife and daughter on his skin or that he was the one who killed Pandora's father.
I figured the "ghost of sparta" in the name speaks for itself and if Mimir knew about the battle of the hot gates and Kratos going back in time himself- I'm sure they don't need context- they know why his skins like that
@@psychoticdaizyproductions569 its Sparta..sparda is Dante and Vergil's dad haha
That is pretty much the way of the world
@@hisnotsolonely2961 I made a derp haha. Thankyou
in his defense: self defense
I been playing GOW since the first one came out..long before I was even supposed to be playing M rated games lol. But man, if you’ve been following Kratos story since then you can’t help but love this guy. This man has had Zuko level character development
facts/pog you too are a man of culture too... avatar the last airbender
Sparta existed a good 600 years before the Viking age began. He's had a long time to think about stuff
Ngl zukos development doesn't have shit on kratos's👌 it was a 🔥 comparison tho
Way better then Zuko, but yeah.
Freya: I have the worst life ever!
Kratos: Hold my backstory!
I love how Mimir basically said that Kratos was shit at telling stories in the past
Apparently Atreus was using them to fall asleep, so...
Laconic means short and straight to the point as well. And if my history knowledge is not messed up it is something that originated in Sparta
@@joaodala549 Lakonia or Laconia is the word you're thinking of. Its the region in Greece that Sparta is located.
@@noobie5324 Many thanks fella.
Man, Kratos is like the kind of dude that has enough stories to tell until the end of time...and the best part is that we lived through all of it
"He died trying to protect her"
Kratos: we do a little trolling *fucking electricoutes hephaestus*
Technically he's right. Hephaestus wanted to protect Pandora and knew Kratos needed to sacrifice her to open the box.
He, in fact, did die protecting his daughter
Freya: You don't know how it feels to lose a child
Sindri: You don't know how it feels to lose a brother
Atreus: You don't know how it feels to be traumatized as a child
Thor: You don't know what it feels to be used as a killing machine
Kratos: well...
Mimir: You don't know what it feels to not have a dick
Kratos: You poor bastard, I can't even imagine
F in the chat for mimirs junk
@@Da_caffeinated_insomniac f
"What happened?"
"I was dying, I prayed to Aries, the god of war to make me his champion so I could turn the tide of battle.He accepted me and gifted me with the blades of chaos, he poisoned my mind with anger and illusions. He made me murder my daughter and wife against my judgement in a blind rage. Their ashes were then stained onto my cursed flesh, it's why I'm pale. That, is why I killed an entire pantheon."
He's even spared her the details on why his skin is pale white, I don't think she could handle that
I love how Freya learning about kratos's daughter has her immediately getting a new perspective on him. You can tell from that moment she softened just a tiny bit
Matt Sophos and Richard Gaubert are truly writers of the highest caliber
They took every aspect of the past games and weaved them to give Ragnarok an emotional weight, I haven't seen before in a game.
"You've come a long way from the days of laconic fables."
Not Mimir dissing Kratos' storytelling ability from the previous game HAHAHA
I love the fact that Freya was a character having adventures with. She is very well written imo
Freya: Boo hoo my son died and Odin abused me!
Kratos: Imma bought to destroy this woman’s whole pity party
I'd love to see their reactions to certain minutiae of Kratos' personal history like:
1. How the ashes of Lysandra and Calliope are still bonded to him
2. How he got a new power by literally gouging out a titan's left eye
3. How he went to the underworld and got out at least 6-7 times
4. How he beat the shit out of Poseidon and had his wife smushed under a lever
5. How he tore off Helios' head and used it as a flashlight
6. How he caved his other brother's face in wearing oversized boxing gloves
The list goes on
ok ummm
6. it was deimos with the oversized boxing glove
@@godzillazfriction No, it was Kratos with the Cestus beating Hercules to death.
@@thesleeplesscoben he telling the truth though. Deimos did have a oversized boxing glove😂
Kratos: "See the Greek mythology section in the library?"
Freya: "...Where?"
Kratos: "Exactly."
Kratos : " After demise of my wife and daughter, i know that they'll always be with me"
Freya : " thats so sweet"
Kratos " No. I mean their ashes are clinged to my body for eternity. This is why im pale white and why im called ghost of sparta"
I'm sure if freya has a spell to read/experience other people memories and does so on kratos, her mind would break
Lol exactly. Kratos has the most traumatic story out of any god in the series.
She's crying blood tears if he knew how Kratos went through it all.
they should’ve included how kratos literally killed the sisters of fate lol
Kratos actually mentioned that but it's not in this video lol.
To be fair, I'm pretty sure it's in his resume as the "Ghost of Sparta" when he entered the land. If they knew about him slaying the many gods of Olympus, they know about THAT particular detail for sure.
They do. You should get the game so you can fully experience all these bits of dialogue.
He did while they were in ice map.
His brother is legendary
Mortal, but a great warrior!
Ikr, krato's reaction when he died was legendary too
@@MichaelJohnson-ld4jq Was he a son of Zeus?
@@P-M01 pretty sure the guy was pure mortal. You know Zeus and his Almighty Libido...
*Not even a "peacock" escape his horny grasp, never you mention somebody else's wife.*
@@zacksilverstone7642 pretty sure he was a demigod, when kratos fought him deimos did a number on kratos and yes kratos did let him win but deimos was still able to inflect a lot a damage.
4:06 It's funny that Mimir would use the word "laconic" to describe Kratos' stories, he is a Spartan, after all XD
Oh wait cause Sparta was in Lakonia? I didn’t catch that
I'm glad Kratos shared his story. I was kinda getting annoyed how self-pitying and bitter Freya is. Sure, her son died but to automatically think she's the one who suffered most is what bothered me cuz she's supposed to be very understanding.
At least she stopped being insensitive when faced with someone with equal or arguably greater suffering.
She might know kratos as the infamous ghost of Sparta but unlike Mimir she doesn't even know the full details about kratos life
So? Why should she know about his tragic past? He killed her son and she wanted to die. Her forgiving Kratos is a strong act and would you remind me how long was he angry at everyone and blaming everyone but himself?
@@dafank8633 did you forget how at the end of the first game he tried taking his own life because he got revenge for his wife and daughter and wanted to take his own life so he could join them?
You, like many others, don't understand Kratos as a character.
GoW1 he's tricked by Athena. GoW2 he's tricked by Zeus. GoW3 he's tricked by Gaia and Athena.
He doesn't blame anyone for what he did to his family. The first game is literally about him just trying to be forgiven for what he did
@@Malthizar he mainly blamed ares for the death of his family. But kratos did regret his actions and hates being called monster.
To see Kratos being softened up to tell stories about his past after everyone he has ever cared about before Midgard dead by his or other's hand is true character development.
kratos is that friend that you try to vent about your problems but he ends up having worse problems than you
God Of War 2018: *"Quiet head!"*
God Of War Ragnarok: _"Mimir is the better storyteller."_
"You think you understand the pain of losing a child?"
"I am literally wearing her ashes on my skin."
"The guilt remains "
Little did she know, Atreus was with his stepmother and older sister this whole journey.
Oof
Missed my favorite line or maybe I missed it “You saved Atreus when he was sick. I did not wish to live with killing you anymore than I wished to die”
Freya: Do you have a story where you didn't kill the main characters?
I mean there's one where he has to fight people to get a cure for his daughters disease. I guess that's alright
poetic how odin dies a similar way zeus dies, albeit not entirely his fault: they both are killed because of their fears.
we have a song for that irl: betrayal of fear, and it is a banger song.
Oh cripes that was YOUR notification XDDD
thought it was mine XD
3:55
I just love you try to aim the Axe to her 😂
Crap which part I missed it?
@@an-animal-lover At the beginning of the video.
@@an-animal-lover rewatch it. She's the birb he was aiming his axe at.
@@zacksilverstone7642 ah, thank you both
@@zacksilverstone7642 thought it was one of Odin’s flying rats or a flying rat of the sea.
Kratos had gone through almost everything the main side character of ragnarok struggle, Thor as killing machine, freya losing her children,tyr locked up,sindri losing a brother,Brok resurrection 5 times or more,
When you’re in a suffering competition and your opponent is Kratos of Sparta : 😳
Freya: I wouldn't actually call your stories comfort
Fans: Nonsense, we love stories of good ol' Kratos and his vengeance
She’s like a teenage girl yelling at her parents because Danny wouldn’t take her to the prom. “You don’t know me!”
The detail of the player aiming at freya after saying it's on a detail he knows nothing about was A tier
It's funny how Freya talks about loss to someone who has lost two wives, one daughter, a nephew ( orkos), and a slew of Brothers, his uncle's one of which soul he still has, his father, grandmother, and grandfather, the majority of them he had to kill himself.
Can't forget his mother who was turned into a monster that suffered in agony while alive who he had to kill.
I’m surprised he didn’t mention that his daughter’s ashes are bound to his skin, an ever present reminder of his guilt
I mean, say you were cursed with a mark that serves not to only remind you, but also your allies of the fucked up shit you did.
Would you tell your new allies about that fucked up shit, so that the mark is now a constant reminder for them aswell?
Though I know hypothetically it would be cool to listen to.
I love how they became friends and how they want to listen each others
Story of Kratos’ past. Beginning of a warrior. He fought many opponents in his life. He made reckless mistakes but he learned from them.
You know I'm glad kratos doesn't hold hepheastus in bad standing for trying to kill him.
As a father he knows the lengths he would go to protect his child, and even more so what he did to avenge her
Im glad kratos was softened up a bit in this game, he’s still the deadly, feriocious god of war, but he’s more open to everyone like his son, to mimir, to freya.
Its a nice thing to see
Finally they referenced Deimos, it had been so long since i heard his name
It's so cool and nostalgic to hear Kratos tell stories about his past
It's interesting too, you see how Freya over time comes around to realizing he wasn't against her, he was trying to save her. And he did give Baldur his wish of feelin pain or anything, but Kratos realized that it wasn't fair to just do it yourself, and hearing all the homages made him giving his regrets and affirmations of knowing he was in the wrong to Freya....
Good god these developers are wonderful.
Freya: You killed my son!
Kratos: Guess what, Freya? We have something in common! *I also killed my daughter!*
Freya:...hold up-
I could listen to kratos tell stories all day
Fun fact: "laconic" is an amusingly correct word choice by Mimir in describing Kratos' fables. Sparta is the main city in the Greek region of Laconia, hence why the Spartans had a lambda (the Greek letter L) on their shields. Ancient Spartans stereotypically had a tendency toward brevity of wit; training in this specific form of rhetoric was part of the training in the agoge.
kratos learned to handle mimir so good, after he practied enough on helios, using the sun god's head like a fucking lantern 💀
Freya: *says anything
Kratos: *back in my days-*
Kratos didn't tell her about the fact that he killed the blacksmith
She knew. It was at least a 50% chance.
@@maogger1 true but I bet you didn't know that he also cucked the blacksmith since the blacksmith was married to Aphrodite and he you know banged her
Thats... unironically calm and reasonable.
He really likes her I doubt he ever told his story even to his wife and son or ever spoke that much with anyone on his own will
No, Faye knew His past. He loved her like noone else
I tear'd up after kratos mentioning deimos.. that was an emotional part of the game for me back in gow 1
Deimos didn't appear in god of war 1 though 😅. He was after 1 in ghost
3:54 bruh made me check
The scenery is so beautiful!
The way kratos just says what about my stories really aounds like he feels offended
I like the fact that Kratos is the one engaging in these stories cause he cares about Freya and is worried of her but is not really sure he has a right so he just shares it anyways, no morals attached, or saying my pain is greater, just that he has his own demons and its not impossible to confront hers.
“Hephaestus did what every father should: protect his daughter”.
I always feel bad for what happens to these characters , but they’re so quick to judge before listening to the one who’s been through it all
It's good to know that the psp GoW is also cannon. You can play the GoW1-3 and ignore the psp versions and still get a complete story
They are so setting up a relationship between these two
You know He killed her son right
@@sinfuladam Gods move different even though she was upset about it, she got over it in a sense.
@@RealRHernz She forgave him for it what does it mean that they’re going to be in a relationship considering he still killed her kid. Would you go out with a the one that murdered your son
Well about that, You see Freya has 2 other children we haven't seen yet Hnoss and Gersemi which she had with another God who was supposed to be a "Replacement" you could say for odin called Óðr which translates to "The Divine Fury" or "The frenzied one". Now who would you think that sounds like?
@@cyborggunslinger4230 kratos 1000000%
Love how Kratos is talkative in this
He forgot to mention his wife and daughters ashes are on his body.
watching this on my phone 50% volume in my own room. can't hear anything until I pull up 100% volume.
Freya: "Can you even fathom the pain of losing a child?"
Kratos: _*looks in a mirror_
Kratos and Freya, are yet another reminder that we shouldn’t say that someone can’t understand our struggles
Someone, will always understand the pain we feel, they may even feel worse pain from a similar source
3:57 This is the most, and probably only, casual and friendly tone I've heard Kratos speak in-game.
I really like all the references to Greece and Kratos willingness to talk about his past
Props to the writters and the actors for doing almost all this conversations twice, one for Freya and one for Atreus. In my game, Kratos was telling the story of the blacksmith to Atreus, it was similar but the approach is different since Freya and Atreus take the story in different ways
Everyone's problem is at 0.00001% if compared to kratos.
Kratos should have a talk with Batman, try to straighten him out.
@@Kratosx23 Batman will be like "killing got you into all that to begin with, which I'll never do"
I like how even though Hephaestus ended up being Kratos' enemy that he would kill, Kratos still respected Hephaestus even after death, I imagine that he was one of the few that he had remorse for killing.
Kratos: By the way, I also tapped this blacksmith's wife, while he was imprisoned. XD
While she was cheating on him with two lesbian lovers. God! Hephaestus had it bad.
@@Asianman66 And Aries. XD
@@Asianman66 yeah his mother disowned him, his father beat him within an inch of his life and trapped him a fire filled gorge, his wife cheated on him with multiple gods and chamber maids, then slept with the guy who ultimately killed him and caused his daughter's death. They really crapped on Hephaestus
This is the point I found out that kratos is a big one upper 😂😂 of depression.😢