Bro wtf you can 1vx anybody , you can also get X'd yourself, oml 1vx is smoke anybody can get it lol 1vx nowadays is kinda like bombing , it might work ot might not lmao
@@EladTheBad91 I've seen the best 1vX'ers go from xing 15/20 people to maybe 3 to 5. What do you mean?....let's see the video, and don't start saying how "I don't upload." It's easy now? Let's see
@@Conqyest-ESO i have ran with ball groups and had fun fighting 20+ mans at keeps and towers. If you cant get friends just say that 🤣 Its not that 1vx shouldn’t be a thing or isn’t, but it shouldn’t be the main way to balance and play a mmo with 100s of people fighting in the same keep.
The idea of 1vx will never die is because in large scale pvp the odds are never going to be even. There's always gonna be one faction that outnumbers another, especially in 3 faction pvp, so you're going to be forced in a situation where you HAVE to get good at solo or 1vx. Sometimes the dominant faction gates the weaker factions and no one wants to play when the campaign is dead, so your only choice is to solo or 1vx if you still want to PVP. Example is blackreach, it's always run by 1 faction now on playstation, so your choice to pvp is blackreach is your campaign is just solo or 1vx until someday the campaign flips or evens out a little, but zerglings don't change, they don't care about balanced PVP, only winning, even if it kills campaigns. Open world pvp is not a fair game and because it's not fair, that's how 1vx comes to be. Not to mention not everyone has friends to even play pvp with.
As someone who has done some PvE as well, one thing you really notice is that your damage only in part depends on you and you can really see a difference between excellent and normal trial groups. Doing above 100k dps in actual content is only possible in a good setup and this includes tanks and healers buffing the shit out the group and also some dps playing support (Zenkosh DK and Elemental Catalyst Necro) to really make the most of it. It is day and night. As this is how the game currently works, it is of course not different in PvP. If you get you buff from an another source you can drop certain abilities and set for others that help you perform your role better.
Nah but 1vx been “dead” for a while. Constantly seeing people say it’s boring and its impossible to 1vx groups alot of times. The bg gameplay is showcasing what most people and some x’s hate. A have decent or worse, fully comped group. If you dont think ESO is too skewed with its endgame pvp players just look up 1vx builds or any dps build. 90% of the good ones are 1vx. The other 10% vaguely talk about group and typically its because they are a bomber. Eso needs more group builds and group videos. Otherwise games like that will never not be the norm when players group up. 1 team dominates the rest just die and have no fun. In a mmo idk how people let it happen, but too many want to be 1v20 or 1v30 and always win Or majorly win by not dying and killing big sections of the group. To me that’s getting unrealistic as avg players get better. No need to nerf damage just start pushing groupplay.
Lol, the 'good ol days of xing' you are referring to aren't even the good ol days fam. Xing will never be better than before the procalypse, where everyone was in stat based gear.
Honestly part of me wishes they just buffed stat based sets to be around as good as proc sets while capping proc damage scaling to like 7500 damage. Imagine if Hundings gave you like, 950 weapon and spell damage lol then sets like BSW and Fury 1200, then people might run stat sets over proc sets.
Solo, duo, small scale, group, ball group or zerg. None of these playstyles is bad or a bad thing. Growth in a mmo is the ability to play said game the way you want to play. ESO is this weird competitive but not competitive scene. You have your 1% who take the game way to serious and the other 99% that are just playing a game and having fun. Everyone has an opinion it’s up to you how you want to take it. Words of a player who has been around and done it all.
the issue with group based games (wow in particular) its hard to sustain having a group you can syngergize with. i used to run a 5 man in cyro and ic and guess what, not a single one of them after 3 years, plays anymore, and playing with other people is not the same. nor do they play like my buddies did. essentially having to start over and find people to play with. then you run into having people but are never on at the same time.
True, but if the communities are more group oriented and can get into endgame quicker, and perform well; ESO would be alot more healther as a game. If 1vx stays as the “ endgame” on TH-cam then PvP will continue to suffer. It wont get better.
If defensive playstyle wasn't so much more buffed (probably to cater more to casual players) than going hard on the offense, it would still be possible to outplay groups with movement and take them out one after the other. It's because every 1v1 fight becomes so long and tiresome now with somewhat balanced builds that you also can't go solo against groups anymore...they've taken away one tool after the other that made it possible to wipe small groups alone if you managed to get a good hit inbetween running
We do need new pvp game modes , nbs did get over tuned (if you disagree idk what game you’re playing). 1vX is a weird one… I like attempting it as a way to practice and get better and it’s fun! but if I get destroyed by a 12 man group I don’t call them trash, it’s part of the cyro experience. I do think however cyro population cap needs to be reduced and either more servers need to be added or more game modes. Also giant groups need slight debuffs through battle spirit like slightly less healing or something. But this is why we have the conversations right?
Nightblades actually got nerfed pretty noticeably last year. Most high end blades lost 15-40% damage done due to the rework of skills and having to change front bars for the blades. Merciless resolve use to be a easy 25-33k no group buffs. Now if i get a 25k i increased my damage by debuffing the target to take 40% more damage. We do need new pvp gamemodes like headquarters and hardpoint. Incentives for reviving in bgs, playing on obj, AND having to PvP( fight other players). Rn in most bgs there’s always the one group who tries their hard to not kill, heal or anything. Just flip flag and run.
Content wise you’re right more of anything is good, I feel like most people focus on those 1vX build videos because you don’t have to rely on anyone for buffs or heals or whatever and for that reason alone 1VX should never die What makes eso different is the fact that essentially this games pvp was built on the idea that a pvp build has all traditional roles in one. The group focused builds you are talking about is just taking pve to pvp for a more dynamic trial run. Which is fine and it should be in the game too but saying like those 1vX are relying on broken stuff is the only way they found success while ignoring the fact most groups are 40k cheese undying builds not being abuse of mechanics is hypocritical. You’ll never 1vX good players that’s never been a question but you should at least always have a shot against smaller groups of randoms or whatever if you know what ur doing. Besides You shouldn’t need to coordinate some group just to have fun pvping and making it only group focused with exact roles literally just turns pvp into pve
Most groups have that much health because its very easy to do it and there’s alot of damage out rn. But it doesn’t make sense that we shouldn’t try to get the game where 100 could fight another 100 people but we can’t have the PvP aspect balanced for that. But making it where the “solo” guy can bomb 30 people is great but when that same person gets in a group they can bomb even harder; its now a issue and needs to be nerfed because you decided to play with friends.
@@acelewy that is true I’m more so saying like if it’s there people will use and abuse so it’s up to developers first to get some stuff figured out. But I think I get what you’re saying that a effective build will always be better In groups and when that person so happens to be grouping, people then complain when they were just doing the same thing just solo. ( hope that’s right) which if it is I definitely agree people complain either way. I def think ball groups and groups in general are needed but small scale 4 man duos or even solos imo should always be viable but of course less effective than a well thought out ball groups groups excel at different pvp styles my point being why force one way wether it’s group or solo when it’s always been about doing it all. And having all those elements playing into each other makes eso, eso. I do think people need to broaden their idea of pvp tho and get out of the if u don’t 1vX ur bad or if ur in a group you’re bad
Just got into pvp a few months back after nearly 3 years of heavy play. You’ve made me rethink everything I’ve learned about pvp. And you’ve made me reconsider having my pvp toon be a DK 😅
Dk is great in Pvp but just keep in mind if you are in group as a Dps you can only do Dps. At most you have 1 hot you put on your back bar. That does harm your team capability to survive but you can make up for that by having an insane amount of damage. Outside of group you fine but corrosive is no longer the end all be all for fights. If you pop it and dont get your kills you just wasted the ult and can’t spam it
Interesting thinking. Although the biggest problem is really big groups (for example, I saw 50 players in the ball. The problem is in two things: the game sometimes breaks then (FPS, Lag, etc.) and how to break that group. Although I am a new player, the forts in cyrodil are too easy to take over and then it happens that this one small ball group dominates that server, going from fort to fort. The problem is that the skill of the players is very different. And this will always become a problem, because the PvP skill is very tricky to learn. As far as 1vX is concerned, the game made it possible with its traits and class passives.
50 players isnt a ball group. Its hard getting 10 good players coordinated and in sync. 50 is unrealistic. Those are zergs. They can beat by 12, but it depends and it’ll be hard. This video is stating 1vx as the community has known it( 1 guy been capable to killing 30 people solo without dying) is not possible anymore. Corrosive was the last vestige of that time. Now its a group “meta” but alot of TH-camrs dont want to see it go that way because they are the solo guys.
@@acelewy Those where ball group(in my opinion, beacuse moving, bombing, healing where perfectly timed) there where in like 20 meter radius( not evene spred across battlefield). I know, i played with those guys, and it's true, u cant kill much people now, they usualy kil 4-5 that's it. I totaly agree with what u said in video, watch it twice :)
Group pvp vs solo or x whatever is like vet hm trial raid vs solo arena or at best vet dungeon players. I tried both and realise how dumb xer is because all they know is one narrow aspect of the game which they are good at but oblivious to what the rest and majority of they game has to offer. But at the end of the day if you put 12 ppl pvp raid group vs 12 1vxer, I can assure you the 12 organised pvp raid would win everytime lol. I always say is getting solo arena trifecta easier or vet trial trifecta easier? Which is more challenging?
Your take on dk’s that they can’t throw out a heal is not true bro dk’s in comped groups run echoing vigor, radiating regen, overflowing altar,cinder storm, and resto ult. Not to mention dk’s can give group major and minor brutality saving groups bar space. Also lock opposing groups down w talons.
A hot is good but think of all the classes capacity for heals. They can all run those same heals bb while still using a burst heal to save you live breath of life or healthy offering, they can have other hots built into their toon like budding seeds or templar circle, they can run class healing Ult like soul siphon, practiced incarnation, and healing thicket that can heal a group instead of just 1 person. So yea Dk have lil heals that matter in group because if everyone took a 10k damage Dk can’t cover that. Best option is the overflowing altar but in a 12 man or 6 man, better they run echoing vigor or radiating regeneration then that. The healers are better suited for that synergy versus a dps who might need that heal.
@@acelewy I’d say in a small scale group everyone should be running echoing and stacking heals on eachother constantly, you gonna have a warden a dk and a nightblade in group and the fourth class is debatable If your talking about having a dedicated healer I’d agree with u dk is not be bis at all, maybe I misunderstood you.
@@Rancid_Beef yea im mostly referring to large groups, but still in 4 mans if we sat down and was looking for class heals because they come with buffs and vigor etc, you dont look to dk for that. But they make up for that in high flame damage syngeries. Similarly to how Templars in large groups you dont want them as damage. Not that they can’t do burst but compared to all the other classes for high aoe burst damage templars aren’t worth it when u compare class abilities and common set ups.
This is soooo true, ALL the TH-cam creators has ZERO group play builds. I believe you are on to something here. But i do think the reason why people run Solo, is cause they play alone, meaning, no friends. :) Earned a Sub from me.
“We were relying on 5 piece sets to insta kill the target… we was running selenes to insta kill the target, how is that fair.” You’re right, it’s not fair. Being insta killed out of nowhere I never fair. Welcome to the Tarnished Nightblade meta. GG.
100% agree ball groups or at least coordinated 3-5 is way more fun than trying to 1vx. PvP in eso doesn’t grow because all of the pvp content creators make the same content with different builds. When really pvp has never been about small scale pvp in Cyro. Let alone 1vx. They complain about the devs hating pvp but in reality they just hate the pvp content creators play style. They should add a 3v3 or 2v2 pvp mode like wow has to the game. And a ranking system of some form for all of them to go and jerk each other off in. So pvp can be what the game is actually meant to be which is medium to large scale pvp.
100% and last time the devs made 5pc sets for 1vx it was Plaguebreak, dark con, and rallying cry. All insane sets that are better in groups then solo. Honestly 1vx as a mentality just needs less of a spot light and more on group play. But it’ll be a sec before that happens
Just make pvp zones limit groups to 4 or 6 and allow cross heals in group only. I think this would be a happy middle ground for both sides of this debate.
Bgs is basically that. But people still want healers basically out of pvp and tanks out as well. Then everyone good to either 1v1 or 1vx. Cross heals is good but there’s counters to it like negate, and high damage bombs. Combo that together and a group of 20 will still die even if they had 6- 8 healers
The did that lol that's why group size is only 12 now down from 24 but the community cried they're healers were useless in pvp so they reverted it back to heals for everyone and they made health based heals stronger than heals powered by dmg or max resources
Chronic solo'er here. You are touching on an issue that is being experienced across most mmos that still have pvp. The issue with solo shuffle (solo que mode) echos many points you bring up The bottom line, is at some point metrics for success became individual focused, rather than team focused. Folks would rather lose the game, but score the most points, than to have scored zero points, but be the *reason* why you won the game. I appreciate you voicing your opinion on this, as to be honest finding groups and having time to make them can he challenging --- and at risk of sounding like a move on playcation: it may be time for more conversation about how to form groups and its advantages. My only issue with that iw, people 's tendancy to choose the "most effective tactic available" brought us to this point; groups being so exclusive, as to isolate most people. If this can be balanced, and folks can see that grouping and following simple instructions can result in mire net successes than losses, a change can be made in the culture. Salute to you for a thought provoking video.
Its whatever you enjoy up to a point you become narcissistic and be like doja - paint the town red and make tier lists I don't like they dumb down the game where sets, + 40k hp do the work for you.
Merciless is dodgeable and can be blocked. Although it hits very hard, if you have 40% crit resistance and have 35k health you stop most blades capacity to 2-3 shot you. The good ones still can but you can still block or roll dodge the hits.
Half the damage of Merciless, there you go, nb is suddenly balanced. It still has Incap, cloak and just about every buff in the game and it's combo will still chunk most of your health bar. Just not all of it. @@acelewy
A combo doing 30k damage isn’t the problem. Every class can do it. If you want to avoid you and your friends taking high damage from blades, run rallying cry and transmutation with the blue cp resilience. Have 35k + health. Now that mericless is stuck at a 10k for crit. It was still hit hard but not do 20k+ in most scenarios. If merciless gets nerfed it makes it very hard to keep up with other classes damage. Every other class can do 30k damage with their most common burst combos. Nightblades are supposed to be able to gank and hit very hard. If they can’t hit hard, they can’t gank. If they can’t gank, it doesn’t mean class is bad but if my mericless is capped at 10k i might as well not use the skill. My conceal can get 10ks.
@@runninhot2.0 blades burst in the easiest to mitigate. Blade goes invisible? Block. Incap spec does 4k tops. Got hit with incap? Break free n block or if you didn’t get stunned roll dodge. The blade loads up all their damage into that combo. But a dk for instance can hit you with engulfing flames, hit deep breath, stun with shattering rocks, ferocious leap, have flames of oblivion timed to hit you as their deep breath goes off with the leap and then hit you with a 3 stack molten whip. Everything but the leap the dk can do very easily on you constantly and consistently. Blades got 2 skills to worry about and both effectively got timers on them. Keeping class identity is important too. If blades lose damage from merciless they won’t be balanced, they would be unbalanced because it is already easy to mitigate their damage. 1 lucky roll dodge and you stopped the kill.
@@acelewymy 2 cent I don’t think the damage needs to be nerf but go back to it not keeping the stacks played mag blade since console release and I hate that you can walk around with 1 in the chamber
TH-cam ruined PVP. Back in the Day people had to test builds n skills. Most people had no clue what impen was. They wear divine and get ripped. Today its like goin shopping. Pick your Class and Go.
There needs to be more ball groups. Rn it’s the ball group that’s been around for years and have a a consistent 12 man, the 8 man who runs every now and again but weaker than the 12 man in general with or without the lower player count, the 18 man ball group that just spam the most ultimates to win any fight and that’s it. More guilds need to make groups like that. Start competing with them so that it isn’t this thing were people genuinely think if you are a ball grouper, you are a cheater.
Ngl I'm terrible at the game in general I chose to solo my whole pvp and most of pve I dont group with guildies or even really talk to them just use the crafting stuff. But even when I do attempt to 1v1 in imp or cyro I just get melted and I've tried pretty much everything and nothing seems to work. Bgs I went 41 and 0 on a bow nightblade running scavenging and red mountain and never did that good before now i just cant anyone like at all I cant find a chance to get close to excute or even if I do get the execute they land on 0 health and poof full health or have 45k health and hit 19k crits... idk sorry for the long comment.
Damn i agree with placing cost increases on shadowy disguise and nerfing spec bow a bit. Also agree the game is more focused towards group play now. Far as X'ing goes, its def in a shit spot solo but duo or small trio can do fine (have lots of fun in duos in trios). And far as the group builds go, make em then shit 😂😂😂😂. Sounds like you may have found yourself a niche in this small community of ours. Although i still prefer all around builds to any of the others bc i may be alone or in a group and all that swapping shit is annoying 😂😂😂
😂😂😂 you barely played the game long enough to comment on 1vXing and you talked over a video with a compd group 😂😂😂 50k health warden with 1 kill you on a nb with over 40k health 😂😂😂😂 nbs need a nerf even nb mains can admit to that
So the corrosive spamming Dks that “1vx” was balanced? Or the og oakensoul templars who “1vx” was balanced? The whole point of the video is to explain those toons could 1vx a group like that. Which was barely comped. Had 1 healer and 1 guy with rally. No vd,no plague, no PM, no PA, No Sax, etc. So 1vxers just fight noobs. Otherwise they just kiting. So yea 1vx as we known it is dead. By all means explain how it’s not and how 1 guy should beat 4 guys who all have better stats, debuffs and buffs and are consistently hitting him with combos should lose to the solo. (Hint: if you say skill, you might as well say luck cause once you top 20%, the skill gap between players is very small. So small it really matters more about your BUILD.)
@acelewy like I said already you haven't played long enough to really comment because I still 1vX to this day and you're complaining about oaken soul ring meta dks which was fun 😁 the reason why 1vx is harder nowadays is because it's easier to build tanky and just run proc sets that do the dmg for you. The game lost so much character and you honestly have no idea how much skill the game took before they changed cp to not even matter because now a 280 cp can easily kill a 2500cp because only sets matter. If you think nb doesn't need a nerf tell me when was the last time that got a nerf?
I dont even mind people doing that solo every now and again, but most streams i see people do it and act like this is the only way to play for good players. They say its just what they prefer but let someone kill them in a group they off rip a zergling 😂
@acelewy agreed, friend. Unfortunately, for the unaware person that sees this, may think its the norm rather than A way to play the game. Which was my case for a good while.
1vX is alive & well just not for eveyone 🙏 some folks cant & thats fine just like ganking is fine, zerging is fine etc etc eveyone should just enjoy the game how they wanna
1vx or 2vx is my personal favorite way to pvp but let's be real 99.9% of players aren't winning 1v3s lol so I agree that more players should absolutely spec for group play. Tbh what you see alot of is alot of solo players running solo builds running next to a zerg getting minimum kills and healing no one lol spec bow could get hit but it's easy to play around imo. Tbh I almost never die to it.
Deadass it needs to meet but not with 1 broken build beating 4 good builds, that just leads to those 4 players running your build and still beating you down.
This is something throughout the games life more and more people have noticed and just stopped pvping or stopped playing all the veterans mostly retired the games mechanics are bad the server cant support battles ect every patch has new buy my dlc power creep it's just bad move on you will be happier.
Now you trying to break the trigger meter disrespecting 1vx like that hahahahaha good video But my boy 1vx will never die when us introverts are still playing eso Alot of ppl like myself were not in eso friend groups and never have been or dont have enough social media clout to where people leave us alone in cyro lmao So for me atleast and im sure many other ppl 1vx doesn't become a choice lol i started 1vxing because i didn't have good people to play with so i had to learn how to fight so good so good that like you said i could combat 30 ppl And the reason why alot of us 1vx so good is because of small group vets like you explained jumping tf out of us 4 v 1 Believe it or not 1vx is not always a choice lmao. P.s i have alot of eso friends in 2024 now but i still 1vx hahahaha so ill jump tf out a mf taking this msg the wrong way Ok i realize the confusion now, 1vx nowadays is kinda like bombing , it might work it might not lmao its not like back then where you going to go for hours long sessions without dying especially dying to seige or damn lag spikes Sorry this was long , i definitely got triggered hahaha great job
Shit that’s fine tbh. Its not that 1vx shouldn’t exist or shouldn’t be vaild, but everytime you look up builds or listen to TH-camrs like NYCE,Kerkoff n others; you can get a terrible idea that 1vx is the way to play Endgame PvP. Or that group play must be extremely toxic in ESO for PvP. Its too the point the devs make sets that are for 1vxers and they still are better in group but have to be nerfed because they are powerful in groups like dark con n plaguebreak
@@YungVAGaming really it’s just making a “1vx” set never is good. It always is better in groups. Rallying cry gets nerfed in group yea but it really is balanced. You in a 12 man? You only get 12-14% crit resistance versus a 4 man gets like 20%. But a 12 man can still run trans and get more set combos for damage and sustain that the 4 man can’t
agree with all you've said, but nightblade is completely braindead rn, takes 0 skills, i queue in bgs 21/0 no effort on my stamblade, while sweating my ass off on any other class to be 13/0 MAX
They have some of the highest damage done and crit damage. Major Berserk (conceal) Incap Elemental susceptibility Arch druid Thats 45% increased damage done with 10% increased crit damage before you include your own Cp and previous crit damage stat. (I get 60) But once you have crit resistance and stop most bad - decent blades damage. Just gotta focus them down. But you is right that the other classes is harder to burst on. Nerco, Warden, Templar needs a buff for damage. Arc n Dk are fine
You hit the nail on the head... 1vX is most just tree and rock humping for like 40 mins 🤦🏻♂️ It's incredibly boring and all you do is tag ppl with dots, kite, wait for ult. That's just not very appealing imo
You can only “1vx” bad players simple as that. You ain’t going to be having a short fight with decent or even semi competent players.
Bro wtf you can 1vx anybody , you can also get X'd yourself, oml 1vx is smoke anybody can get it lol
1vx nowadays is kinda like bombing , it might work ot might not lmao
LOL your jokint right? I can 1vX the best players on game with ease its not hard
@@YungVAGamingbombing isnt 1vx lmfao
@@EladTheBad91
I've seen the best 1vX'ers go from xing 15/20 people to maybe 3 to 5. What do you mean?....let's see the video, and don't start saying how "I don't upload."
It's easy now? Let's see
@@irishsage2459he's bluffing lol... If he found me and my buddy he wouldn't even live with 2 people on him..
1vx is a myth.. You run until you have ultimate, you turn and 1v1 someone and do it again and again
Sometimes you 1v2 or 1v3 😂. But you not wrong on the waiting on ult
Back in the days, I was 1vX peole with my templar and jabs
I have a clips of 1v5 on my stam sorc. If you can’t 1vx just say that
@@Conqyest-ESO i have ran with ball groups and had fun fighting 20+ mans at keeps and towers. If you cant get friends just say that 🤣
Its not that 1vx shouldn’t be a thing or isn’t, but it shouldn’t be the main way to balance and play a mmo with 100s of people fighting in the same keep.
thoughts on dk running powerful assault and olorimes and mag cost reduction glyph to infinitely heal with ash cloud and proc mad damage for your team?
maybe magma incarnate too if ya tryna go extra hard
Ball group play is the cancer of eso pvp.
Counter, by making a ball group of your own and fight back!
The idea of 1vx will never die is because in large scale pvp the odds are never going to be even. There's always gonna be one faction that outnumbers another, especially in 3 faction pvp, so you're going to be forced in a situation where you HAVE to get good at solo or 1vx. Sometimes the dominant faction gates the weaker factions and no one wants to play when the campaign is dead, so your only choice is to solo or 1vx if you still want to PVP.
Example is blackreach, it's always run by 1 faction now on playstation, so your choice to pvp is blackreach is your campaign is just solo or 1vx until someday the campaign flips or evens out a little, but zerglings don't change, they don't care about balanced PVP, only winning, even if it kills campaigns.
Open world pvp is not a fair game and because it's not fair, that's how 1vx comes to be. Not to mention not everyone has friends to even play pvp with.
As someone who has done some PvE as well, one thing you really notice is that your damage only in part depends on you and you can really see a difference between excellent and normal trial groups. Doing above 100k dps in actual content is only possible in a good setup and this includes tanks and healers buffing the shit out the group and also some dps playing support (Zenkosh DK and Elemental Catalyst Necro) to really make the most of it. It is day and night. As this is how the game currently works, it is of course not different in PvP. If you get you buff from an another source you can drop certain abilities and set for others that help you perform your role better.
Bg determines if 1vx is dead ?
Nah but 1vx been “dead” for a while. Constantly seeing people say it’s boring and its impossible to 1vx groups alot of times. The bg gameplay is showcasing what most people and some x’s hate. A have decent or worse, fully comped group.
If you dont think ESO is too skewed with its endgame pvp players just look up 1vx builds or any dps build. 90% of the good ones are 1vx. The other 10% vaguely talk about group and typically its because they are a bomber. Eso needs more group builds and group videos. Otherwise games like that will never not be the norm when players group up. 1 team dominates the rest just die and have no fun.
In a mmo idk how people let it happen, but too many want to be 1v20 or 1v30 and always win Or majorly win by not dying and killing big sections of the group. To me that’s getting unrealistic as avg players get better. No need to nerf damage just start pushing groupplay.
Lol, the 'good ol days of xing' you are referring to aren't even the good ol days fam. Xing will never be better than before the procalypse, where everyone was in stat based gear.
Honestly part of me wishes they just buffed stat based sets to be around as good as proc sets while capping proc damage scaling to like 7500 damage. Imagine if Hundings gave you like, 950 weapon and spell damage lol then sets like BSW and Fury 1200, then people might run stat sets over proc sets.
Solo, duo, small scale, group, ball group or zerg. None of these playstyles is bad or a bad thing. Growth in a mmo is the ability to play said game the way you want to play. ESO is this weird competitive but not competitive scene. You have your 1% who take the game way to serious and the other 99% that are just playing a game and having fun. Everyone has an opinion it’s up to you how you want to take it. Words of a player who has been around and done it all.
Bring back the 5 random role players that all went into cyrodiil together to go fishing so I can get some more clips
Power of friendship is crazy work
Deadass
I like your view on the group play subject. Well spoken
the issue with group based games (wow in particular) its hard to sustain having a group you can syngergize with. i used to run a 5 man in cyro and ic and guess what, not a single one of them after 3 years, plays anymore, and playing with other people is not the same. nor do they play like my buddies did. essentially having to start over and find people to play with. then you run into having people but are never on at the same time.
True, but if the communities are more group oriented and can get into endgame quicker, and perform well; ESO would be alot more healther as a game. If 1vx stays as the “ endgame” on TH-cam then PvP will continue to suffer. It wont get better.
If defensive playstyle wasn't so much more buffed (probably to cater more to casual players) than going hard on the offense, it would still be possible to outplay groups with movement and take them out one after the other. It's because every 1v1 fight becomes so long and tiresome now with somewhat balanced builds that you also can't go solo against groups anymore...they've taken away one tool after the other that made it possible to wipe small groups alone if you managed to get a good hit inbetween running
Always great video content. Thanks
good video my boy. I haven't played in a couple years but im thinking about coming back on Mac. I used to play PS4
We do need new pvp game modes , nbs did get over tuned (if you disagree idk what game you’re playing). 1vX is a weird one… I like attempting it as a way to practice and get better and it’s fun! but if I get destroyed by a 12 man group I don’t call them trash, it’s part of the cyro experience. I do think however cyro population cap needs to be reduced and either more servers need to be added or more game modes. Also giant groups need slight debuffs through battle spirit like slightly less healing or something. But this is why we have the conversations right?
Nightblades actually got nerfed pretty noticeably last year. Most high end blades lost 15-40% damage done due to the rework of skills and having to change front bars for the blades. Merciless resolve use to be a easy 25-33k no group buffs.
Now if i get a 25k i increased my damage by debuffing the target to take 40% more damage. We do need new pvp gamemodes like headquarters and hardpoint. Incentives for reviving in bgs, playing on obj, AND having to PvP( fight other players). Rn in most bgs there’s always the one group who tries their hard to not kill, heal or anything. Just flip flag and run.
Content wise you’re right more of anything is good, I feel like most people focus on those 1vX build videos because you don’t have to rely on anyone for buffs or heals or whatever and for that reason alone 1VX should never die What makes eso different is the fact that essentially this games pvp was built on the idea that a pvp build has all traditional roles in one. The group focused builds you are talking about is just taking pve to pvp for a more dynamic trial run. Which is fine and it should be in the game too but saying like those 1vX are relying on broken stuff is the only way they found success while ignoring the fact most groups are 40k cheese undying builds not being abuse of mechanics is hypocritical. You’ll never 1vX good players that’s never been a question but you should at least always have a shot against smaller groups of randoms or whatever if you know what ur doing. Besides You shouldn’t need to coordinate some group just to have fun pvping and making it only group focused with exact roles literally just turns pvp into pve
Most groups have that much health because its very easy to do it and there’s alot of damage out rn. But it doesn’t make sense that we shouldn’t try to get the game where 100 could fight another 100 people but we can’t have the PvP aspect balanced for that.
But making it where the “solo” guy can bomb 30 people is great but when that same person gets in a group they can bomb even harder; its now a issue and needs to be nerfed because you decided to play with friends.
@@acelewy that is true I’m more so saying like if it’s there people will use and abuse so it’s up to developers first to get some stuff figured out.
But I think I get what you’re saying that a effective build will always be better In groups and when that person so happens to be grouping, people then complain when they were just doing the same thing just solo. ( hope that’s right) which if it is I definitely agree people complain either way. I def think ball groups and groups in general are needed but small scale 4 man duos or even solos imo should always be viable but of course less effective than a well thought out ball groups groups excel at different pvp styles my point being why force one way wether it’s group or solo when it’s always been about doing it all. And having all those elements playing into each other makes eso, eso. I do think people need to broaden their idea of pvp tho and get out of the if u don’t 1vX ur bad or if ur in a group you’re bad
Just got into pvp a few months back after nearly 3 years of heavy play. You’ve made me rethink everything I’ve learned about pvp. And you’ve made me reconsider having my pvp toon be a DK 😅
Dk is great in Pvp but just keep in mind if you are in group as a Dps you can only do Dps. At most you have 1 hot you put on your back bar. That does harm your team capability to survive but you can make up for that by having an insane amount of damage.
Outside of group you fine but corrosive is no longer the end all be all for fights. If you pop it and dont get your kills you just wasted the ult and can’t spam it
Interesting thinking. Although the biggest problem is really big groups (for example, I saw 50 players in the ball. The problem is in two things: the game sometimes breaks then (FPS, Lag, etc.) and how to break that group. Although I am a new player, the forts in cyrodil are too easy to take over and then it happens that this one small ball group dominates that server, going from fort to fort.
The problem is that the skill of the players is very different. And this will always become a problem, because the PvP skill is very tricky to learn.
As far as 1vX is concerned, the game made it possible with its traits and class passives.
50 players isnt a ball group. Its hard getting 10 good players coordinated and in sync. 50 is unrealistic. Those are zergs. They can beat by 12, but it depends and it’ll be hard.
This video is stating 1vx as the community has known it( 1 guy been capable to killing 30 people solo without dying) is not possible anymore. Corrosive was the last vestige of that time. Now its a group “meta” but alot of TH-camrs dont want to see it go that way because they are the solo guys.
@@acelewy Those where ball group(in my opinion, beacuse moving, bombing, healing where perfectly timed) there where in like 20 meter radius( not evene spred across battlefield).
I know, i played with those guys, and it's true, u cant kill much people now, they usualy kil 4-5 that's it.
I totaly agree with what u said in video, watch it twice :)
Group pvp vs solo or x whatever is like vet hm trial raid vs solo arena or at best vet dungeon players.
I tried both and realise how dumb xer is because all they know is one narrow aspect of the game which they are good at but oblivious to what the rest and majority of they game has to offer.
But at the end of the day if you put 12 ppl pvp raid group vs 12 1vxer, I can assure you the 12 organised pvp raid would win everytime lol.
I always say is getting solo arena trifecta easier or vet trial trifecta easier? Which is more challenging?
Your take on dk’s that they can’t throw out a heal is not true bro dk’s in comped groups run echoing vigor, radiating regen, overflowing altar,cinder storm, and resto ult. Not to mention dk’s can give group major and minor brutality saving groups bar space. Also lock opposing groups down w talons.
A hot is good but think of all the classes capacity for heals. They can all run those same heals bb while still using a burst heal to save you live breath of life or healthy offering, they can have other hots built into their toon like budding seeds or templar circle, they can run class healing Ult like soul siphon, practiced incarnation, and healing thicket that can heal a group instead of just 1 person.
So yea Dk have lil heals that matter in group because if everyone took a 10k damage Dk can’t cover that. Best option is the overflowing altar but in a 12 man or 6 man, better they run echoing vigor or radiating regeneration then that. The healers are better suited for that synergy versus a dps who might need that heal.
@@acelewy I’d say in a small scale group everyone should be running echoing and stacking heals on eachother constantly, you gonna have a warden a dk and a nightblade in group and the fourth class is debatable If your talking about having a dedicated healer I’d agree with u dk is not be bis at all, maybe I misunderstood you.
@@Rancid_Beef yea im mostly referring to large groups, but still in 4 mans if we sat down and was looking for class heals because they come with buffs and vigor etc, you dont look to dk for that. But they make up for that in high flame damage syngeries.
Similarly to how Templars in large groups you dont want them as damage. Not that they can’t do burst but compared to all the other classes for high aoe burst damage templars aren’t worth it when u compare class abilities and common set ups.
This is soooo true, ALL the TH-cam creators has ZERO group play builds. I believe you are on to something here. But i do think the reason why people run Solo, is cause they play alone, meaning, no friends. :) Earned a Sub from me.
“We were relying on 5 piece sets to insta kill the target… we was running selenes to insta kill the target, how is that fair.”
You’re right, it’s not fair. Being insta killed out of nowhere I never fair. Welcome to the Tarnished Nightblade meta. GG.
I have to admit, you make an excellent point.
100% agree ball groups or at least coordinated 3-5 is way more fun than trying to 1vx. PvP in eso doesn’t grow because all of the pvp content creators make the same content with different builds. When really pvp has never been about small scale pvp in Cyro. Let alone 1vx. They complain about the devs hating pvp but in reality they just hate the pvp content creators play style. They should add a 3v3 or 2v2 pvp mode like wow has to the game. And a ranking system of some form for all of them to go and jerk each other off in. So pvp can be what the game is actually meant to be which is medium to large scale pvp.
100% and last time the devs made 5pc sets for 1vx it was Plaguebreak, dark con, and rallying cry. All insane sets that are better in groups then solo. Honestly 1vx as a mentality just needs less of a spot light and more on group play. But it’ll be a sec before that happens
Well there are people like me who doesnt have any friends that plays solo, so 1vX builds are the only builds I can run
Bold of you to assume i have friends
Ranked arena Q4, il be playing mainly league until then
Wait that’s been leaked or you speculating?
@@ImPoStier Not confirmed
Just make pvp zones limit groups to 4 or 6 and allow cross heals in group only. I think this would be a happy middle ground for both sides of this debate.
Bgs is basically that. But people still want healers basically out of pvp and tanks out as well. Then everyone good to either 1v1 or 1vx.
Cross heals is good but there’s counters to it like negate, and high damage bombs. Combo that together and a group of 20 will still die even if they had 6- 8 healers
The did that lol that's why group size is only 12 now down from 24 but the community cried they're healers were useless in pvp so they reverted it back to heals for everyone and they made health based heals stronger than heals powered by dmg or max resources
Chronic solo'er here.
You are touching on an issue that is being experienced across most mmos that still have pvp.
The issue with solo shuffle (solo que mode) echos many points you bring up
The bottom line, is at some point metrics for success became individual focused, rather than team focused.
Folks would rather lose the game, but score the most points, than to have scored zero points, but be the *reason* why you won the game.
I appreciate you voicing your opinion on this, as to be honest finding groups and having time to make them can he challenging --- and at risk of sounding like a move on playcation: it may be time for more conversation about how to form groups and its advantages.
My only issue with that iw, people 's tendancy to choose the "most effective tactic available" brought us to this point; groups being so exclusive, as to isolate most people.
If this can be balanced, and folks can see that grouping and following simple instructions can result in mire net successes than losses, a change can be made in the culture.
Salute to you for a thought provoking video.
Old player here it was always a team game. Some of the real best players always played as a team. Even back in the day 1vxrs could only x bad players.
Its whatever you enjoy up to a point you become narcissistic and be like doja - paint the town red and make tier lists I don't like they dumb down the game where sets, + 40k hp do the work for you.
Merciless Resolve is ridiculous OP. You shouldn't be able to come out of stealth and two tap people, end of.
Merciless is dodgeable and can be blocked. Although it hits very hard, if you have 40% crit resistance and have 35k health you stop most blades capacity to 2-3 shot you. The good ones still can but you can still block or roll dodge the hits.
Half the damage of Merciless, there you go, nb is suddenly balanced. It still has Incap, cloak and just about every buff in the game and it's combo will still chunk most of your health bar. Just not all of it.
@@acelewy
A combo doing 30k damage isn’t the problem. Every class can do it. If you want to avoid you and your friends taking high damage from blades, run rallying cry and transmutation with the blue cp resilience. Have 35k + health. Now that mericless is stuck at a 10k for crit. It was still hit hard but not do 20k+ in most scenarios.
If merciless gets nerfed it makes it very hard to keep up with other classes damage. Every other class can do 30k damage with their most common burst combos. Nightblades are supposed to be able to gank and hit very hard. If they can’t hit hard, they can’t gank. If they can’t gank, it doesn’t mean class is bad but if my mericless is capped at 10k i might as well not use the skill. My conceal can get 10ks.
@@runninhot2.0 blades burst in the easiest to mitigate. Blade goes invisible? Block. Incap spec does 4k tops. Got hit with incap? Break free n block or if you didn’t get stunned roll dodge. The blade loads up all their damage into that combo.
But a dk for instance can hit you with engulfing flames, hit deep breath, stun with shattering rocks, ferocious leap, have flames of oblivion timed to hit you as their deep breath goes off with the leap and then hit you with a 3 stack molten whip. Everything but the leap the dk can do very easily on you constantly and consistently. Blades got 2 skills to worry about and both effectively got timers on them. Keeping class identity is important too. If blades lose damage from merciless they won’t be balanced, they would be unbalanced because it is already easy to mitigate their damage. 1 lucky roll dodge and you stopped the kill.
@@acelewymy 2 cent I don’t think the damage needs to be nerf but go back to it not keeping the stacks played mag blade since console release and I hate that you can walk around with 1 in the chamber
Everytime I toon in to a video ur health just going up and up and up like bro where that shit finna cap at😂
Thinkin 80k
The tarnished bug with proxy det is triggering groups in cyro atm 😅 even i have to admit its kinda funny
Nb gank is the only consistent 1vx due to invisible buff
Best video ever bro. Just true words!
TH-cam ruined PVP. Back in the Day people had to test builds n skills. Most people had no clue what impen was. They wear divine and get ripped. Today its like goin shopping. Pick your Class and Go.
*Laughs in Bethesda Softworks*
pvp is dead ball groups dont fight each other just farm pugs.
There needs to be more ball groups. Rn it’s the ball group that’s been around for years and have a a consistent 12 man, the 8 man who runs every now and again but weaker than the 12 man in general with or without the lower player count, the 18 man ball group that just spam the most ultimates to win any fight and that’s it.
More guilds need to make groups like that. Start competing with them so that it isn’t this thing were people genuinely think if you are a ball grouper, you are a cheater.
Ngl I'm terrible at the game in general I chose to solo my whole pvp and most of pve I dont group with guildies or even really talk to them just use the crafting stuff. But even when I do attempt to 1v1 in imp or cyro I just get melted and I've tried pretty much everything and nothing seems to work. Bgs I went 41 and 0 on a bow nightblade running scavenging and red mountain and never did that good before now i just cant anyone like at all I cant find a chance to get close to excute or even if I do get the execute they land on 0 health and poof full health or have 45k health and hit 19k crits... idk sorry for the long comment.
Everything is counterable right now, except perhaps Arcanist running Arena weapons. Arcanist is silly right now 😂
Damn i agree with placing cost increases on shadowy disguise and nerfing spec bow a bit. Also agree the game is more focused towards group play now. Far as X'ing goes, its def in a shit spot solo but duo or small trio can do fine (have lots of fun in duos in trios). And far as the group builds go, make em then shit 😂😂😂😂. Sounds like you may have found yourself a niche in this small community of ours. Although i still prefer all around builds to any of the others bc i may be alone or in a group and all that swapping shit is annoying 😂😂😂
😂😂😂 you barely played the game long enough to comment on 1vXing and you talked over a video with a compd group 😂😂😂 50k health warden with 1 kill you on a nb with over 40k health 😂😂😂😂 nbs need a nerf even nb mains can admit to that
So the corrosive spamming Dks that “1vx” was balanced? Or the og oakensoul templars who “1vx” was balanced? The whole point of the video is to explain those toons could 1vx a group like that. Which was barely comped. Had 1 healer and 1 guy with rally. No vd,no plague, no PM, no PA, No Sax, etc.
So 1vxers just fight noobs. Otherwise they just kiting. So yea 1vx as we known it is dead. By all means explain how it’s not and how 1 guy should beat 4 guys who all have better stats, debuffs and buffs and are consistently hitting him with combos should lose to the solo. (Hint: if you say skill, you might as well say luck cause once you top 20%, the skill gap between players is very small. So small it really matters more about your BUILD.)
@acelewy like I said already you haven't played long enough to really comment because I still 1vX to this day and you're complaining about oaken soul ring meta dks which was fun 😁 the reason why 1vx is harder nowadays is because it's easier to build tanky and just run proc sets that do the dmg for you. The game lost so much character and you honestly have no idea how much skill the game took before they changed cp to not even matter because now a 280 cp can easily kill a 2500cp because only sets matter. If you think nb doesn't need a nerf tell me when was the last time that got a nerf?
The mentality def ain't in the fun zone anymore...
True words, I've been watching some streams where we see the raw footage, and the X mentality is just what you described.
I dont even mind people doing that solo every now and again, but most streams i see people do it and act like this is the only way to play for good players.
They say its just what they prefer but let someone kill them in a group they off rip a zergling 😂
@acelewy agreed, friend. Unfortunately, for the unaware person that sees this, may think its the norm rather than A way to play the game. Which was my case for a good while.
straight facts bro!!! got a new sub
1vX is alive & well just not for eveyone 🙏 some folks cant & thats fine just like ganking is fine, zerging is fine etc etc eveyone should just enjoy the game how they wanna
1vx or 2vx is my personal favorite way to pvp but let's be real 99.9% of players aren't winning 1v3s lol so I agree that more players should absolutely spec for group play. Tbh what you see alot of is alot of solo players running solo builds running next to a zerg getting minimum kills and healing no one lol spec bow could get hit but it's easy to play around imo. Tbh I almost never die to it.
Kinda yes, i think we forgot the essence of mmorpg pvp.
jus seeing this now a lot of this is fax but zerging is so easy now
I love getting focused by a group who is clearly on comms and then get bagged because I was fighting them with an equal sized group of randos lol.
Deadass it needs to meet but not with 1 broken build beating 4 good builds, that just leads to those 4 players running your build and still beating you down.
This is something throughout the games life more and more people have noticed and just stopped pvping or stopped playing all the veterans mostly retired the games mechanics are bad the server cant support battles ect every patch has new buy my dlc power creep it's just bad move on you will be happier.
Nice healers
True
Now you trying to break the trigger meter disrespecting 1vx like that hahahahaha good video
But my boy 1vx will never die when us introverts are still playing eso
Alot of ppl like myself were not in eso friend groups and never have been or dont have enough social media clout to where people leave us alone in cyro lmao
So for me atleast and im sure many other ppl 1vx doesn't become a choice lol i started 1vxing because i didn't have good people to play with so i had to learn how to fight so good so good that like you said i could combat 30 ppl
And the reason why alot of us 1vx so good is because of small group vets like you explained jumping tf out of us 4 v 1
Believe it or not 1vx is not always a choice lmao. P.s i have alot of eso friends in 2024 now but i still 1vx hahahaha so ill jump tf out a mf taking this msg the wrong way
Ok i realize the confusion now, 1vx nowadays is kinda like bombing , it might work it might not lmao its not like back then where you going to go for hours long sessions without dying especially dying to seige or damn lag spikes
Sorry this was long , i definitely got triggered hahaha great job
Shit that’s fine tbh. Its not that 1vx shouldn’t exist or shouldn’t be vaild, but everytime you look up builds or listen to TH-camrs like NYCE,Kerkoff n others; you can get a terrible idea that 1vx is the way to play Endgame PvP. Or that group play must be extremely toxic in ESO for PvP.
Its too the point the devs make sets that are for 1vxers and they still are better in group but have to be nerfed because they are powerful in groups like dark con n plaguebreak
@@acelewy lmao very true man, making pvp changes to give ppl a edge instead of just practicing to get better is a terrible idea lmao
@@YungVAGaming really it’s just making a “1vx” set never is good. It always is better in groups. Rallying cry gets nerfed in group yea but it really is balanced. You in a 12 man? You only get 12-14% crit resistance versus a 4 man gets like 20%. But a 12 man can still run trans and get more set combos for damage and sustain that the 4 man can’t
Rofl 🤔🤣🤣 this "guy" says 1vx is know dead mean while I am on my Stam soc clapping ball groups 🤣🙄 300 fps deleting people
Sure 👍🏿 you got it bro 🤣. Big 1v12 on a class that cant heal but aye, you beating up top ball groups solo with weaker stats and less ults then them
@@acelewy you on xbox bro you can't even bar swap shut up kid
@@acelewy better wacth that mouth before I make you hold bonk and put on y shirt 👌🤔
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Smh
kill 1vx but im def for nerfing nb lol..oh and kill solo bombers
agree with all you've said, but nightblade is completely braindead rn, takes 0 skills, i queue in bgs 21/0 no effort on my stamblade, while sweating my ass off on any other class to be 13/0 MAX
They have some of the highest damage done and crit damage.
Major Berserk (conceal)
Incap
Elemental susceptibility
Arch druid
Thats 45% increased damage done with 10% increased crit damage before you include your own Cp and previous crit damage stat. (I get 60)
But once you have crit resistance and stop most bad - decent blades damage. Just gotta focus them down. But you is right that the other classes is harder to burst on.
Nerco, Warden, Templar needs a buff for damage. Arc n Dk are fine
You hit the nail on the head... 1vX is most just tree and rock humping for like 40 mins 🤦🏻♂️ It's incredibly boring and all you do is tag ppl with dots, kite, wait for ult. That's just not very appealing imo
i quit eso ps5 and started gambling in a casino instead , made 19,000 usd last month off 200$ usd . never going back to eso im a gambling man now
So gambling addict....I see