Sydney Trains Vlog 1671: The Return of 3801
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- Vlog 1671
The Return of 3801
3801 was built by Clyde Engineering and was the first of 30 C38 Class Locomotives.
It entered service in January 1943 and was withdrawn from service in December 1976.
In the years after, 3801 entered preservation.
In October 1988 the Flying Scotsman arrived from England and was paired with 3801 for a majority of its year long tour of Australia.
In 2007, 3801 was again withdrawn for overhaul.
After over a decade 3801 is finally ready to start testing and will soon start taking passengers on heritage tours.
This video shows 3801 under test at Chester Hill station.
The video also features other trains.
#railway #railroad #trains
Filmed on: 20/1/2020
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It's good they have it back:
Old to Not in use
Now it's back in
Service 👍
Been subbed since 8k
Sydney trains can we go out together at zigzag and look at soon trains??
The c sets sound like the tendaras
@@michaellittlejohns7968 Tangaras?
This is not the first time I’ve been given goosebumps by 3801. I was about 4 the first time I saw it at Lithgow passing on the mainline. It started A life long obsession about 3801. Thanks for posting phill. I’m really happy now. Can’t waist to put my annual leave form in and fly down to Sydney to see it pulling a train for myself. And to the one person who thumbed down go away we don’t like you.
This is truly wonderful!
I thought that 3801 was off the rails forever.
It looks like it will be done in the express green, as it was also painted light grey and black during its working life.
Back in 1988 I was lucky enough to be invited onto the footplate by the engineman, and he gave me a personal tour of all the controls.
That was at Unanderra station and I still remember it fondly. Went up the top of Farnborough Rd many times, and watched 3801 and the Flying Scotsman double header up the Moss Vale line.
Oooh very exciting!
Today was the first time i have seen 3801 in person :)
It was amazing to see it, truly a great day!
Ok boomer
Actually I don’t think 3801 was ever in grey. Wasn’t that only 3803?
Great to see the old girl back out and about
It sure is!
Very exciting :)
It is so good to see the old girl back on the rails! Absolutely love this locomotive. I’ve seen it twice in my entire life, now it’s back on the rails I hope to see it up my way again soon.
Thank you for sharing 😁
Good to see this magnificent locomotive back on track. She sounds great and seems to be running very smoothly. She will look much better when they apply her makeup. You did a great job with this video Phil.
I love steam locomotives. They are alive or certainly give that impression. 3801 has been reincarnated thank goodness. She is the queen of New South Wales steam. Thank you Phil for documenting this significant event for us.
I can remember several trips in the 50's & 60's with 3801 pulling the train. Glorious!!
The beauty queen is back on the catwalk of the Australian railways
Such a great moment for you! First time in the flesh! I have grown up with 3801.. she even gave me my first ear infection when they blasted the whistle in Gosford station after a trip... that wasn’t fun, but man I didn’t think I’d ever see her back again.
She sounds absolutely perfect. Brought back some wonderful memories - thanks
Good on you STV. That was an excellent vlog. Such a variety of trains is great to see in the one video and best of all was the 3801. What an unstoppable powerhouse! Thanks.
Good stuff. Thanks for sharing!
Her whistle is now sounding fantastic.
I was incredibly happy when I learnt that 3801 would be restored yet again. To celebrate, I purchased a 3801 Pin badge and put it on my hat. Even if I am a queenslander, I hope to one day ser this glorious legend in steam with my own two eyes.
I am so glad she has come back to the rails. Very long overdue and glad she is now operating under her own steam!! So absolutely happy and excited
Whoever dislikes this video is a disgrace to us all
Hahaha there’s always one.
Good to see her back on track again! Just one thing... for a European it's quite unusual to see nature like that in JANUARY 😉. Good vid, mate! What a beauty, what a VOICE! 😍 Thanx for sharing the vid!
The reason for the huge delay since it was last seen is. When 3801 was withdrawn in 2007, it was decided to replace the original boiler with a new welded one as well as conducting various mechanical repairs. This was timetabled to be complete by the end of 2010. The contract for the construction of the new boiler was let to Dampflokwerk Meiningen in Germany, while the tender tank was transferred to the Hunter Valley Training Company at Maitland for repair.
In 2010, the new boiler arrived in Australia. Trial fitting of the boiler revealed a number of dimensional and technical issues which made it unsuitable for use. The boiler was subsequently returned to Germany in 2011. And the story goes on in search for a boiler.
When Transport Heritage NSW was formed in 2014, they brought the new boiler back to keep as a spare and sent the old rivetted boiler to Goulburn for repair. This was completed in 2018. The new boiler will be modified to Australian standards in the background. There were news articles on Transport Heritage NSW's website but anything prior to October 2018 seems to have been removed.
@@ChrisDunstall Wikipedia gives the real story, I remember news articles back when the Overseas company sent back a boiler which was not compatible.
About bloody time! Glad to see her back! :)
Agreed! 😁
I first saw 3801 in service at Strathfield station in the early 1950's, as well as her class members, streamlined and not streamlined.
I later saw her at Kyogle in 1989 double heading with 4472 Flying Scotsman. Talking with the drivers of both engines as they stopped for water and a look around before hitting the Border Loop, 4472 was all piss and wind, whilst 3801 did all the work, explained by the huge 2.18 metre diameter wheels on 4472 - ideal for speed on the flattish East Coast Main line, but pretty useless for pulling power in Australia, whereas 3801 had 1.75 metre diameter wheels offering greater pulling power at the expense of torque. Horses for courses, I guess.
A relative worked on 3801, when in service, at Everleigh in the 1960's and he claimed it still had a fair turn of speed, they used to take them up between Hawkesbury River and Woy Woy and check their performance; he claimed a genuine 100 miles/hour on the flat, but not officially of course. Still it is a great engine and better for tour trains than the Garrett 6029, basically a freight engine.
So good to see the 3801 again after a decade
Excellent footage mate! Boy it’s so exciting to see her in steam on the mainline! 🚂📸
Awesome news! Thanks Phil. It looks like she's still deciding what to wear lol ;-) I've seen her in green and grey liveries before, but I'm liking the black.
WOW! Thanks...had no Idea this was happening yet! Last trip behind it was returning from inaugural Thirlmere festival of steam in 1989! I should get my act together and POST that video. Cheers from Adelaide.
How cool is that! I took pictures of her and The Flying Scotsman in Orange, NSW in 1988.
This loco certainly has a charm of its own. Australia have a lovely collection of steam locos.
It's been a long time since I heard that good o'l 5 chime
I have never heard it in person, only in videos :)
@@sydneytrainsvlogs Same, I've only heard it from my house, those whistles go a long way sometimes
@@mdgfb05 Thanks for noticing
When I lived at Redfern, I'd hear it all the time, from Everleigh, where 3801 used to live, back then. Very distinctive, theres nothing else like it on the rails today.
I like the whistle on steam locomotive 3801, it’s awesome.
Thankyou for this update my pop basil Lawrence use too work on this engine in the 60s and 70s the last thing he did before he passed away was asked to go to thirlmere where it was held too see this loco one last time that was nearly 2 years ago now he said that he'd never think it would run under it's own power again so thankyou for this amazing update
Keep up the good work! We love thes videos
Thank you :) :)
Welcome back 3801 Let's not forget the 3801 Limited and the many people who dedicated their own time to keep this old girl in traffic condition for decades. Many having spent their whole working lives in the Railway Workshops, most starting as apprentices in boys town, 5 & 6 Bays, Eveleigh Loco Workshops And spending some time in their training in the Large Erecting Shop, where the 38 Class were repaired and overhauled. Some of the many were Ray Lee, Don French, Keith Audet to mention just a few.
Glad to see the old girl moving again. Beautiful Locomotive, wish she could do a little US Tour like Scotsman did all those years ago
THANK GOD it's about time that we see the old girl going again
how do u know its a girl
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Such a terrific sight to see 3801 back. Congrats to everyone involved.
Bruh a train channel out of all things has the sickest intro
That whistle is glorious
She’s at Patchwork masterpiece! A lick of paint and where away!
Been waiting SO long for this!
very very very nice video!!!!!!!!!!!
When it was announced that it was being restored that there was going to be public train rides, in which my grandpa (who knows of the engineers) got som...but I saw it thunder through Blacktown
Best train
Grate to see history preserved.
HOW DID YOU FIND OUT PHIL!!!!
that whistle!
Love it :)
Very unique!
Hope to see 3801 back on the rails.
You will soon enough :)
Hello new friend! Im very like video train!
Hello :)
Thank you for watching! :)
Finally it's back, now I wonder if it's theme song will change too?
That will be interesting!
@7:59 damn I've missed hearing that whistle........ what a beautiful whistle is it too :)
Used to ride the train to Central ,and go by the goods yard at Redfern,maybe before Redfern, and watch in Awe at those fantastic steam trains. Rode on many greatest trip, Sydney to brisbane,will never forget it ,the water stops, getting fed then,and much more,just sayin'
This is awesome. Can't wait to see this back in service! :D
I knew I saw you today at Chester hill! I was wearing the Deadpool shirt coming onto the platform.
Great to see Big Liz back on the rails. And to those photograpers on the station, get back behind the yellow lines, you should know better.
Sorry that was your first 3801 experience Phil. Once fully restored and painted you'll see what a beautiful loco she really is!..
Robert
I was sitting down and I heard this loud horn and saw this
This is a cool channel
Thank you :)
So good to see! 👍👍👍
phil 3801 is going to be based at thirlmere nsw rail museum. I reckon it will make its first apperance at the festival of steam down there
Stick with that intro because that it lit
Great Video
Nice done video :)
What an awesome video! I'm very jealous you got to see 3801 in person :) How did you find out where the old girl would be running? And she looks great!
Can’t wait for the Newcastle Flyer to return! (Without the Newcastle though...)
Time will tell.
I dare say the flyer will make an appearance :)
@@sydneytrainsvlogs It did happen before 3801 underwent maintenance.
Newcastle still has a station it has just been moved back to Wickham to give our city some continuity.
@@davidberriman5903 What I meant was that 3801 can’t travel beyond Newcastle Interchange, meaning that the line called the “Newcastle Line” isn’t open for heavy rail.
@@SydneyMetroVlogs strictly speaking the Newcastle is still open it just doesn't go as far as it did. I think the interchange is one of the ugliest excuses for a public building I have ever seen.
One of the greatest rail crimes in Newcastle is that many coal rail easements were still available until relatively recently. If the powers to be had any foresight they would have been retained for development of an off road light rail network. We seem to have an unhealthy obsession with rubber tyred transport instead of rail in this country which really annoys me.
I love the 3801🎉❤😊
Ayy we saw this down in sefton, we were the kids riding bikes and waving lol
Holy 3801 came back a year ago already!?
HOORAY! HOORAY!
At another station:
"Where's it off to?"
"Getting a more flattering paint job I expect..."
yes hopefully back into her green dress again...what a Loco shame she is going backwards though.
That rail grinder train is soo loud . I live in Newcastle and they are always grinding for the coal trains at like 3am lol
Running like a Swiss watch.
cant wait to go on her next saturday
HELL YEA
Amazing isn’t it!?
yes very sad thing is ive never sean it in person but throw out my child hood i kept watching docos on it along with rhe flying scotsman when it came down under
Wow, I wonder if NSWRM will be allowing it to run for heritage use
I think they will :)
@@mdgfb05 yes, but it could be run by another heritage rail operator possibly. But good to see this beautiful train finally entering service once again
@@trainco1643 That is a possibility but I doubt it
One of the reasons they took it from 3801 limited was that they were overusing it
almost every weekend they were running a tour with it, while that may be good for tourism it caused large amounts of deterioration to the locomotive. When it is certified for use it will be treated less like it was in regular service and more like a heritage piece
@@danielcook9032 fair enough, and yes it doesn't have to be constantly run, they can just use other heritage trains
Hey Phil, when and where’s the next trial gonna be? I wanna catch a video of it.
They really floored it between 8:05 and 8:45!
Great to see her out again and in partial grey... Maybe ww2 paint job...
canusdominici I believe she will be green... after all this time they’d want to have her in her identifying colours...
7:07 Sounded like V/Line's VLocity horn :)
Hey Phil what do you think of the Bankstown Line being converted to metro? Should it be done?
Hey :)
It is going to be sad to see it go.
I think the double deckers are a good idea for that line, not Metro.
Metro to Sydenham is fine though.
Sydney Traveller Vlogs Berijiklian is doing something very stupid, Bankstown Station receives 30,000 passengers daily and converting double Deck trains to single deck is a very dumb move, the NWRL Is low patronised day by day, she spoiled the transport in Newcastle and we should be very careful now of who we choose as our leaders!
Sydney Trains Vlogs yes I agree with you, they should terminate trains at Sydenham instead of continuing them to Bankstown. :)
@@hset6236 Not to mention the trains will likely be 6 cars in length upon opening.
Sydney Metro Vlogs yes, and they are selling our infrastructure to private Chinese companies which supply broken single decker metros, we should save the Bankstown line!
Idk why but a few seconds ago I heard a whistle at Cabra idk might have been 3801 on a test run
It was 3801 :)
@@sydneytrainsvlogs wait for reall???? At Cabra out of all places
@@sydneytrainsvlogs but how do you know when special trains or test runs coming? That's what I'm confused about
3801 appears at 4:18
edit: and again at 7:29
edit 2: and again at 11:31
Thank you
And at 13:00
Haha thanks for that :)
This is great news.
yay the 3801 is back and hes need a green color to
Welcome back 3801
I am not familiar with Chester Hill Station (don’t even know where it is) but clearly it has more trains than people.
As the 3801 still requires a visit to the paint shop, I assume that this excursion was purely to test work just completed. While it is wonderful that this museum piece is still able to run on the suburban rails, and it looks and sounds great, in light of the recent fires, thank goodness steam is no longer used because they would possibly start a lot of fires when it gets very dry with sparks from that firebox.
Sorry but bush fires are not a new phenomenon. I think you can rest assured that she was designed such that her chances of causing a bush fire were negligible.
David Berriman From the mid 19th century steam locomotives were fitted with spark arrestors to minimise the risk of fires generated by sparks, however, in particularly dry seasons fires caused by steam engines did occur. I haven’t been able to find any collated data on steam engine fires in general, however, there is quite a lot of Australian case law in which landowners sued the operators of railways. This includes both government owned rail, and private rail. I found 2 cases in 1884, 1 in each of 1902, 1904, 1907, and 1911, and 2 in 1948. In each case the fire started by the railway tracks after a train had passed. In one case the plaintiff suggested that the government had purchased poor quality coal that was more prone to creating sparks than good quality coal. From what I could see, there was about 2/3rds of cases where the railway lost and had a judgement against them. For every fire that resulted in litigation there would have been several more that were not litigated, some because of the difficulty of proving that the train started it, and others would have not gone to court due to the railway paying agreed compensation ahead of legal proceedings. The clustering of cases is strongly suggestive that the problem was greatest in times of drought.
As I said, it is a good thing, in the current extraordinarily dry and hot period, that we don’t have coal fired steam trains operating country services.
@@artistjoh Wow, thank you very much for that information. That is most interesting. I would have thought that back in the days of smokers being able to smoke whenever and wherever a butt out the window would be a more likely cause of fire. I am a smoker but I am very conscious of others when I am smoking.
I was aware of wood burners causing fires hence the strange structures on the funnels of those locomotives but I had not heard of such issues with coal burners. Again many thanks for enlightening me.
David Berriman I found 2 more cases filed in 1884. In one of them (Quinn v Commisioner of Railways, NSW Supreme Court, 1885) the plaintiff lost because the Railway was able to establish that the locomotive was fitted with the latest “scientific” spark arrestor and therefore, while it was proven that the train caused the fire, there was no negligence on the part of the Railway. The verdict was overturned on appeal on the basis that the jury had reached a verdict inconsistent with the law as explained to the jury by the judge and contrary to all of the evidence presented. There was another case filed that year (Cook v Commissioner of Railways, NSW Supreme Court, 1886) in which the plaintiff sued for a fire from before the fitting of spark arrestors. He argued that since spark arrestors were required to help prevent fires, the Commissioner should have invented and installed the devices earlier. In that case it appears to have resulted in a mistrial because the judge was found to have incorrectly directed the jury that if the devices were needed it was indeed the Railway’s job to have used all scientific knowledge to prevent the sparks, therefore the fire. This was found to have gone beyond the requirements of the law.
There seem to have been some interesting cases. In all cases I have seen the fires are alleged to have been caused by the locomotive and not a smoker. The spark arrestors are at the smoke stack end, but I would have thought that the firebox door would be a potential source of sparks when opened and if there is a method of poking the fire.
David Berriman The 1911 case is very interesting because it was about coal quality and the nature of the sparks it produces. It was in Western Australia (Andersson v Commissioner of Railways, WA Supreme Court, 1911). In that case it was established that the coal normally used was Newcastle coal, but supplies were running low so the government purchased “collie” coal which was known to produce both more sparks, and finer sparks. There was no contest that the locomotive caused the fire. The plaintiff argued that there was negligence because there were finer mesh spark arrestors suitable for that kind of coal available, but that the Commissioner had failed to install them. The Railway argued that to install the finer mesh spark arrestor would have meant taking the locomotive out of service for a day and that would have disrupted scheduled services so it was impossible to have fitted the device. The magistrate directed the jury that the Railway should have foreseen the need for the finer mesh well in advance and done the installation at an earlier time when schedules would not be interrupted. The plaintiff won.
The 3801 was part of the Cowan train disaster at the 1990s
I wish 3801 could come to Queensland
I saw C9 and C13 today too
Have you heard of the bushfires?
When was she build I love her wistle
1943
Omg 🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳
😁😁😁
is the 3801 at redfin? if it is is it in the yade
Cool
Sydney trains do you like train I do I LOVE them I like them at roping and zip zag
Oh wow!
Henry [style] the [largely stripped] Green Engine arrives in Sydney.
And somewhere along the line he lost his face and his paint job!
Wonderful video with the nice intro and featuring the legendary NSWGR steam locomotive 3801
When you get plenty of footage of 3801 testing and entering service. You should do Sydney Trains Vlogs the movie 5 the mighty 3801 back on the rails for 100.000 subscribers. At the beginning after the intro your should do the history then the clips of 3801 and finally a slideshow with the 3801 theme song. So yeah I hope you've I had an idea for Sydney Trains Vlogs the movie 5 😀
What is the difference between a S set a K set and a C set, I still don't know???
K set's and C set's have air-conditioning. S set's don't have air conditioning and their roofs fold over a bit more plus C set's have fixed seats K set's and S set's have adjustable seats
The Comeng S set is different by appearance to a K set and maybe mechanically. The Goinian & Co S set looks the same as the K set but maybe mechanically different. The C set is more streamlined and has a Chopper motor like a Tangara.
Also the K and C sets have have air conditioning but the K set was modified while the C set came with it.
@@greeneel6518 Thanks, yeah all I knew about that was that the S set didn't have air con and that they are being scrapped
@@sexlord6949 Thanks, yeah all I knew about that was that the S set didn't have air con and that they are being scrapped
Looks like it’s still being repainted
After it passes it mainline trials, it will be taken to Thirlmere for painting and finishing touches :)
4:18 the thing appears, then again at 7:28, and from11:30.
I hope they put her back into the black with red lining out.
Match2100 it would be nice but some people would hate for that
@@sydneytrainspotting1421 Some people are strange then! Black is a great engine colour!
I don't ever remember her being black. Certainly when I traveled to work behind her in the late 60s and early 70s she was green. 3813 and 3822 were black but I think the green makes her look more regal. Long live 3801.
@@davidberriman5903 3813 was never black, it was the only 38 class to remain green for its whole service life
3801 was painted black from 1955 to 1964
@@danielcook9032 Thank you Daniel. I will have to stand corrected. I was going back in my memory to when I was a first year apprentice and I am now retired. I was sure it was 3813 but obviously not. I started my apprenticeship in January 1969. I only traveled by train for part of the year. So it is over fifty years ago now.
Why is it green and grey
Green was the colour it was in then it was withdrawn in 2007.
The grey is just how it has ended up after all the work.
It should be repainted soon
That grey is just primer. It hasn't been repainted yet. I heard years ago they were going to replace the Green Livery with the original "Wartime Grey" (Aka "Grey Nurse" livery) when the restoration was complete. I certainly hope that's not still the plan. - It was grey on delivery, painted green after the war, and then black in the 1950s. In the 60s' heritage groups successfully lobbied to have 3801 and 3830 restored to green, and it has been that way ever since, and should remain that way, IMHO.
Omg
😁😁😁
CAN YOU TELL ME WHEN IS THE NEXT TIME 3801 WILL BE RUNNING
oh by the way I found the 3805 model on EBay
I want to see 3801 in real life
The old girl is chugging again