Love how you’re always switching up the format and making it fun to watch. I imagine you’ll never actually be in a situation like that cos you’re a magnet for positive energy .
Now THIS is content for photographers. It was almost like watching The Office. Entertaining AND educational. Thanks for this. Hopefully we can see more like this. Like how to handle different difficult scenarios. Thanks again man. Huge fan of this channel.
I felt like this recently. I asked a friend if I could take some photos of her to practice portraits. She said yes, and she was excited. Long story short she has 12k insta followers (I have 500). We did some street photography it was great. I started editing, after 4 days I was done with the ones I liked, Sent them to her. Then we decided to go out again and shoot and she kept asking for more, more more more photos. She deadass sent me a list of over 40 photos she wanted from that shoot including raw files and I had to ask permission for which photos I could post. During the shoot she started dictating the entire thing asking me to shoot her like this and that. Saying she wanted pictures in this pose at this location ect. Like wtf I just wanted to practice headshots outdoors with a friend. Then it turned into a free shoot where she decided what she wanted and what I should edit and the type of pictures I should take. I haven't edited photos or taken many pictures since then. Like people use you and its disgusting. Best part is after that she got an iPhone 12, removed all the photos on her grid (Including ones I gave her the week before that she "Loved") and started posting iPhone selfies.
Just to clarify, 3 photos into editing the second shoot I felt so demoralized I told her "No. I'm not doing this, you don't get to dictate the photos I take and where I take them". She apologized for "using me" because she "loved the photos" (again she removed everything a week later). Said sorry she made me feel that way... Then 3 days later asked me "Is it ok to ask to see what you are working on" as if I should continue editing ect. Like fk that. I'm just going to use the photos to practice skin retouching and color grading. I don't even want to post them. Which just makes me feel like I'm practicing and editing for nothing but hey that was my original intention. To *Practice*
I shoot professionally. When doing those free shoots you don't need to ask for permissions on what to post.. When I do my free shoots. I send my favorite shots. Shots I feel look good. People who are getting their picture taken. Have a tendcy to pick bad pictures. And that's because they see things about them self they dont like in it that only they see. So they end up choose I worse photo just so they dont have to see it.
Wooww... I thought that photography was just about implementing your knowledge, shooting the model and letting your creativity flow, but I was wrong. These challenges are teaching me so much about the importance of knowing how to handle oneself in such situations and the interaction that you ought to have with a client in order to maximize the outcome of the shoot. As demanding as it was, I like how jake dealt with the actress & publicist better but I like how vibrant the colours of your photos are and how editorial they look.
This looked like a fun challenge! Finally, a challenge that showed more about the field and the people rather than the gear and techniques. Very entertaining!
Mike this video is brilliant. I don't think I laughed so much in my life. I need to rewatch it to give you a total number of every time you said sorry!!
Can’t believe it took me this long to find this video! I’m good friends with a long time celebrity photographer from LA that said the exact reason he retired was dealing with the “pricks” in Hollywood. Of course now he owns a vineyard. 😂 Keep rocking it!
Haha, I enjoyed this one and imagine there really are clients like this out there. I once shot with a (paid) model who made it clear during the shoot that she'd expected things we were not exactly providing (like vegan food, specific music and "nice" environment"). I thought she would never want to shoot with me again but in fact she reached out a year later and we did another shoot - in a deep ravine in a forest where she ended up bitten by mosquitoes. But the images ended up amazing. I like shooting with models that are prepared to suffer a bit, in the interest of getting amazing images. Not an option with your sort of "Hollywood client", of course, especially if you are just starting out and it is them paying you. Another entertaining episode and I love how you take the best advantage of film in these situations!
😂really high pressure,,patience challenged to the max,,,good actors portraying ass attitudes,,,& yet you came up with your super shots,,good job Mike!!
I loved the video ! I witnessed and worked on a multi format (photos & videos) shooting going down with Angelina J (yeah). You're missing another role, or multiple ones : agency and clients. You can multiply that pressure and stress by 4x and the stupidity of the situation by 2 :) I'll keep that experience for the rest of my carreer.
I did a great deal of work in a community like the one in this video. Not photography but the same kind of interactions. Now that I’m retired I would tell these kind of people to go take a hike. I acting was so good it made me want to jump into the screen to tell them off. Obviously I work better with inanimate objects in my old age. Thanks to all.
From 8:04 to 8:27 was a typical photographers frustrated rant. But the catch is the smile at 8:26, wow....good shooting though. “it feels so good”...the sarcasm..lmao
Bravisimo Mike!! I love this kind of content!!! keep going!! having Tyler being a jerk client was awesome!! I love these shootouts! You teach us so much nos just about photography but the whole world around editorial shootings It is just amazing! and congratulations on the photos also!!
usually with shoots like this there would be a team on both sides and before the shoot, shots / ideas and concepts / wardrobe would be agreed on..but man the little details about trying a shoot / being in the photo industry could be with difficult people is so dead on accurate..having flashbacks as an intern at Milk Studios
Definitely feel like the was more harder oh my boy Mike felt like it’s was real straight up more than Jake’s shoot, he had some difficulties but felt like his was just more frustrating and they acted more in the first round. But definitely loving Mikes shots a lot definitely getting a more modern art type of look and feel from his photos can’t wait to see what y’all come up with next!
HAHAH such a great video. " you think your camera can capture that? " I've totally experienced that in real life. Not with a high end fashion shoot or anything, but just with clients in general working with people can totally be a challenge esp when you as the photographer, designer ect have a plan or vision and the client just shits on it.
Asking for the picture right away when you’re taking pictures in film made me cringe so damn hard. I give you props for keeping up with their energy. I couldn’t do it.
“Thank you so much you were fantastic!” Mike: “Thanks..” *turns away quickly* Lmaooo great video as always dude! I would have had a hard time not laughing if I was working with people like that😂
Found this difficult to watch. I can not imagine this happening in real life and having to deal with it. I notice in the closing sum up with the fab 4 that Tyler has Angel wings.
Cool episode guys!! I really enjoy these and I’m sure it’s helping you guys grow and get the different perspectives.. Tyler seems like a really cool and genuine guy, I’m not sure if anyone else noticed or if it was intentional, at the beginning of the video starting at the 10 second mark to the 24 second mark the butterfly wings are directly on point behind Tyler!! pretty dope!! The wizard with wings..😂 GOD bless guys keep the content and inspiration coming!! 📸
BAHAHAHA very nice. I would never quit photography. I do however offer a simple solution, good bye. nooo good bye!. Show me anybody that would have acted like that to a Helmut Newton or Peter Lindbergh. He would have kicked em both out by the time they finished their first sentence! Thank you for the great comedy :)
A few things: 1. Taylor Shields has butterfly wings 2. Jake’s a billionaire And 3. Y’all both killed it! Honestly, there’s no clear winner 😑 For the first time in history, it’s a tie for me! 👍🏾👍🏾
I've worked with some people like that for many years. I think you did a great job, little bit awkward at first but your pictures are excellent. I wouldn't stand for that kind of behaviour now, but then I'm not starting out, now i'd just pack up my stuff and walk away, without a word being said ;) .......that would feel really good !
Ohhh damn I was already frustrated just watching this challenge. And all the time I kept asking myself if I would be able to handle such an attitude during a shoot since I’m very critical about my work. Damn this gonna be hard on me
I could see the stress on your face 😂 but I liked how you kept your cool. The photos you caught were still fire though. The one with her laying down by the pool was just great to me! I also liked the one in the yellow outfit :)
Um but this is expensive art so I can’t stand on it right? Correct? Okay 😭😂 See I would’ve made a big mistake, breaking the probably $10,000 butterfly installation. learning so much. Another awesome one. Thanks.
Fortunately this has never happened but shooting at Toronto International Film Festival we see how bishy the PR's are by not allowing fans to interact with the talent. Thank G*d most of the actors just do what they want and come over to us. 🙏
The “ she loves water, she did a whole movie under water” made me hit that like button 😂
Hahaha I appreciate it Drew
Amazing
Bonus episode but Tyler is the photographer and you and Jake act as the celebrity and publicist. Imagine the compositions!
This!!!
I’d mess his life up lol
@@MikeGrayFilm do it Mike hahaha
I totally agree!! put Tyler in some trouble!!
Love how you’re always switching up the format and making it fun to watch.
I imagine you’ll never actually be in a situation like that cos you’re a magnet for positive energy .
I appreciate that.
Tyler's challenge is literally a training base camp for photographers lol, I love it
hahahaa
Now THIS is content for photographers. It was almost like watching The Office. Entertaining AND educational. Thanks for this. Hopefully we can see more like this. Like how to handle different difficult scenarios. Thanks again man. Huge fan of this channel.
I appreciate you bro
"She requires 7 ice cubes" ... I'm dying... "7 CUBES"
bro, put me through hell.
Hahaha
"that's not a dress"
"oh, I'm sorry, what would you call it?"
"Pants and shirt..."
"She designed it herself"
This cracked me up lol
Lol 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
This is easily the best photography content on TH-cam. I always love when it’s the three of you in the videos!
I appreciate you!
Thank you
Mike's laugh @9:56 cracked me tf up. That fake laugh was top-tier
Hahaha I was pissed lol
I felt like this recently. I asked a friend if I could take some photos of her to practice portraits. She said yes, and she was excited.
Long story short she has 12k insta followers (I have 500). We did some street photography it was great.
I started editing, after 4 days I was done with the ones I liked, Sent them to her.
Then we decided to go out again and shoot and she kept asking for more, more more more photos. She deadass sent me a list of over 40 photos she wanted from that shoot including raw files and I had to ask permission for which photos I could post. During the shoot she started dictating the entire thing asking me to shoot her like this and that. Saying she wanted pictures in this pose at this location ect.
Like wtf I just wanted to practice headshots outdoors with a friend. Then it turned into a free shoot where she decided what she wanted and what I should edit and the type of pictures I should take. I haven't edited photos or taken many pictures since then. Like people use you and its disgusting. Best part is after that she got an iPhone 12, removed all the photos on her grid (Including ones I gave her the week before that she "Loved") and started posting iPhone selfies.
Just to clarify, 3 photos into editing the second shoot I felt so demoralized I told her "No. I'm not doing this, you don't get to dictate the photos I take and where I take them". She apologized for "using me" because she "loved the photos" (again she removed everything a week later). Said sorry she made me feel that way... Then 3 days later asked me "Is it ok to ask to see what you are working on" as if I should continue editing ect.
Like fk that. I'm just going to use the photos to practice skin retouching and color grading. I don't even want to post them. Which just makes me feel like I'm practicing and editing for nothing but hey that was my original intention. To *Practice*
Damn man.
I shoot professionally. When doing those free shoots you don't need to ask for permissions on what to post.. When I do my free shoots. I send my favorite shots. Shots I feel look good. People who are getting their picture taken. Have a tendcy to pick bad pictures. And that's because they see things about them self they dont like in it that only they see. So they end up choose I worse photo just so they dont have to see it.
That moment the client suggestion something I've suggested long time ago is so real...
"I didn't sign up for this shit." 😂😂😂😂
FACTS! lol
Wooww...
I thought that photography was just about implementing your knowledge, shooting the model and letting your creativity flow, but I was wrong.
These challenges are teaching me so much about the importance of knowing how to handle oneself in such situations and the interaction that you ought to have with a client in order to maximize the outcome of the shoot.
As demanding as it was, I like how jake dealt with the actress & publicist better but I like how vibrant the colours of your photos are and how editorial they look.
🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
This looked like a fun challenge! Finally, a challenge that showed more about the field and the people rather than the gear and techniques. Very entertaining!
That was definitely the goal!
I never knew learning could be so fun, these videos are literal comedy
Too much fun man haha
Mike: I’m sorry what would you call it?
Allie:....Pants and a shirt😐
Yoooo these videos are one of the best parts of my Sunday😭
Hahaha I’m glad you enjoyed it bro lol
"I don't care if it's on film, I have to see it. I have to see the photo"
Hahaha what a pain
As a student surrounded by theatre people I can confirm this behavior is not exclusive to famous actors 😂😂
😂😂😂
This video had me crackin' up!!! Your reactions when dude was shishing you... hilarious! Subscribing now!
haha welcome to the family 🙌🏾
I feel so stressed for Mike, even though it was acting. Ahhh!
Hahaha
@@MikeGrayFilm i know u made this a year ago but damn. U apologized more than a canadian
"We'll make sure we don't tag you" lmaoooo
he went crazy! lol
Mike this video is brilliant. I don't think I laughed so much in my life. I need to rewatch it to give you a total number of every time you said sorry!!
😂😂😂
Yo, I was laughing throughout the whole vid. Really appreciate these scenarios, it shows how one should approach the situation with different clients.
I'm glad you enjoyed it bro haha
mike keep blessing the people with heat. this video was hella funny & informative
I will do Troy. Thanks.
Great video man! Love watching all your videos!
I appreciate it Austin
Man keep this content live! this is something new and interesting.
Tyler is perfect teacher, i love this idea with acting like real clients!
Thanks! Will do man.
The one with the pool and the chair is so sick
Thanks Spencer !
@Mike you rock it! I loved the photos 20:56 is superb! and how you handle the situation is realistic. Been there than that! keep it going.
Thank you!
Can’t believe it took me this long to find this video!
I’m good friends with a long time celebrity photographer from LA that said the exact reason he retired was dealing with the “pricks” in Hollywood. Of course now he owns a vineyard. 😂
Keep rocking it!
The amount of talent in this video is outstanding!
Thanks Dima!
Haha, I enjoyed this one and imagine there really are clients like this out there. I once shot with a (paid) model who made it clear during the shoot that she'd expected things we were not exactly providing (like vegan food, specific music and "nice" environment"). I thought she would never want to shoot with me again but in fact she reached out a year later and we did another shoot - in a deep ravine in a forest where she ended up bitten by mosquitoes. But the images ended up amazing. I like shooting with models that are prepared to suffer a bit, in the interest of getting amazing images. Not an option with your sort of "Hollywood client", of course, especially if you are just starting out and it is them paying you. Another entertaining episode and I love how you take the best advantage of film in these situations!
That’s crazy! haha
That was awesome, I've been missing your videos! Loved your colour shots, you performed well under pressure!
Thanks Craig!
Aight that was dope bro
Thank you bro.
😂really high pressure,,patience challenged to the max,,,good actors portraying ass attitudes,,,& yet you came up with your super shots,,good job Mike!!
Hey Mike, 9:57 can I buy this print?
Please email mikegrayfilm@gmail.com for all print inquiries. 🙌🏾
I loved the video !
I witnessed and worked on a multi format (photos & videos) shooting going down with Angelina J (yeah). You're missing another role, or multiple ones : agency and clients. You can multiply that pressure and stress by 4x and the stupidity of the situation by 2 :)
I'll keep that experience for the rest of my carreer.
yoooooooo I felt this, this happened to me as well especially when the guy comes in with his phone to take a pic with his phone lol yall nailed this
Hahaha thanks bro
Tyler so rich, even the basic coin flip be like with 100$ bill 😭😭😭😭😭
It be like that hahaha
That whole "get your shit together" exchange with Mike & 'the publicist' had me in tears!! Hilarious!
😂😂😂
dude came out the shoot with 3 bangers.... still killing it!
I appreciate it
Fun to watch. How you handled difficulty in this situation is how I wish I could in real life. I try.
It’s a battle.
The grass one is all color blocking. Love it
Thanks Michael
I did a great deal of work in a community like the one in this video. Not photography but the same kind of interactions. Now that I’m retired I would tell these kind of people to go take a hike. I acting was so good it made me want to jump into the screen to tell them off. Obviously I work better with inanimate objects in my old age. Thanks to all.
From 8:04 to 8:27 was a typical photographers frustrated rant. But the catch is the smile at 8:26, wow....good shooting though. “it feels so good”...the sarcasm..lmao
Lol 😂
Woooo!!! Weekly. You guys killed it with what you were given.
Thanks a lot
Bravisimo Mike!! I love this kind of content!!! keep going!! having Tyler being a jerk client was awesome!! I love these shootouts! You teach us so much nos just about photography but the whole world around editorial shootings It is just amazing! and congratulations on the photos also!!
Thanks a lot Rodrigo!
bro im so happy this video was aslong as it is! so entertaining! lounge chair photo of allie was amazing
I appreciate you.
The only channel I clicked the notification bell for.. I'm so glad you're back putting up content
I appreciate you bro
Might be one of the funniest challenges you guys have done! lol feel for y'all on the struggles there, but the lounge chair Photo is Fuego!!
Haha I appreciate you Danny!
what a great job you guys all did and so much fun
You killed it bro haha
So much fun!
I love the butterfly wings behind Tyler 😂😂😂😂
Hahahaha
Best one yet! Don’t get mad if I steal these video challenge ideas. Love the one in the grass man. Great work as always!!!
Do ya thing Nick haha! Thanks for watching
May I ask how you developed the photo? Flush with a Hasselblad x5? or darkroom magnification
Enjoyed Tyler's Ministry of Silly Walks on the "big steps".
haha likewise Joel.
Great stuff man, need to take my 67 out sometime soon.
My favorite camera in the world.
this is raw bro! I wanna see more of this type of challenges 💯👌🏻
More crazy shit coming man. Thanks for watching
Love it! Finally content unlike any other photographers on TH-cam...got tired of seeing the same photography verzuz
More to come! thanks a lot.
LMAO this is why i shoot landscape and street photography mostly. Great depiction. lol!
Love it! Haha. You both smashed it!
Thanks!
Get job Jake and Mike!
usually with shoots like this there would be a team on both sides and before the shoot, shots / ideas and concepts / wardrobe would be agreed on..but man the little details about trying a shoot / being in the photo industry could be with difficult people is so dead on accurate..having flashbacks as an intern at Milk Studios
Great video Mike. Quick ? Was the black background in the pool chair shot done in photoshop or somehow with practical lighting effects?
I just noticed the butterfly wings are lined up to Tyler’s back at the end as well... 💯
Haha
I appreciate the longer videoes Mike, I know youtube might not push them as hard but I get more out of it when you take the time to go in depth
Thanks so much man.
dont worry, sometimes I forget my catchphrase, too... it goes "great video"
great Photos!
HAHAHAHAHA
Definitely feel like the was more harder oh my boy Mike felt like it’s was real straight up more than Jake’s shoot, he had some difficulties but felt like his was just more frustrating and they acted more in the first round. But definitely loving Mikes shots a lot definitely getting a more modern art type of look and feel from his photos can’t wait to see what y’all come up with next!
I appreciate the feedback Dre!
Mike: "what would you call this?..."
Allie: "pants and a shirt"
this team is so funny I swear. thanks for the vids guys!
also RIP Clarence
Thanks for tapping in Grayson! Haha
Damn, Mike! Those three shots are proper keepers - hella impressive work as always brother!
*sips chamomile tea*
Thanks Julian!
@@MikeGrayFilm anytime! 👏👏👏
Bro. I am working as a production manager. You are my hero. Seriously. Respect for patience and pro.
I appreciate that man!
That’s a no for me. I learned a lot from this video. Great stuff! Can’t wait for the next.
mike always wins
Would've been cool to reveal that it was acting at the end instead!
Great shots regardless, Keep it up Mike
Good call!
HAHAH such a great video. " you think your camera can capture that? " I've totally experienced that in real life. Not with a high end fashion shoot or anything, but just with clients in general working with people can totally be a challenge esp when you as the photographer, designer ect have a plan or vision and the client just shits on it.
LOL thanks Joshua.
I thought the "clients" were going to be even more difficult! I think you got three good images. I'm looking forward to the next video!
Thanks Greg!
Asking for the picture right away when you’re taking pictures in film made me cringe so damn hard. I give you props for keeping up with their energy. I couldn’t do it.
It was hard hahah
Bravo! That is the least talked about topic concerning photographers. There are some BAD clients. ANNNDDD good ones too.
Indeed Charles
Absolutely loved the video!
Thanks mom! Happy Mother’s Day. I love you!
"we'll make sure we dont tag you`" i'm dead LOL
😂😂😂
"What would you call it?"
"Pants and a shirt"
"yes"
“Thank you so much you were fantastic!”
Mike: “Thanks..” *turns away quickly*
Lmaooo great video as always dude! I would have had a hard time not laughing if I was working with people like that😂
Haha I appreciate you bro!
This was so chaotic, and my worst fear 🤣
lol
this is fucking brilliant, great work! Looking forward to the next challange!
Thanks!
Found this difficult to watch. I can not imagine this happening in real life and having to deal with it. I notice in the closing sum up with the fab 4 that Tyler has Angel wings.
Yep. It wasn’t a pleasant experience lol
It was rough for me to watch
So good. I can’t even.
I appreciate you Matt.
this was hilarious hahahaa great work! engaging content
Thanks a lot man.
I've definitely had my fair share of "challenging" clients, so I felt this.
🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
Cool episode guys!! I really enjoy these and I’m sure it’s helping you guys grow and get the different perspectives.. Tyler seems like a really cool and genuine guy, I’m not sure if anyone else noticed or if it was intentional, at the beginning of the video starting at the 10 second mark to the 24 second mark the butterfly wings are directly on point behind Tyler!! pretty dope!! The wizard with wings..😂 GOD bless guys keep the content and inspiration coming!! 📸
Thanks a lot J Mitch
@@MikeGrayFilm No doubt Mike!
Jesus, this gave me flash backs.
How’d you photoshop the black eyes you was giving out? Lol
😂😂😂😂 bro. I’m done!
BAHAHAHA very nice. I would never quit photography. I do however offer a simple solution, good bye. nooo good bye!. Show me anybody that would have acted like that to a Helmut Newton or Peter Lindbergh. He would have kicked em both out by the time they finished their first sentence! Thank you for the great comedy :)
L M F A O !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YO THIS IS GODL!!! MY NEW FAVORITE CHANNEL TAHTS NO CAP!
Hahah I love it
A few things:
1. Taylor Shields has butterfly wings
2. Jake’s a billionaire
And 3. Y’all both killed it! Honestly, there’s no clear winner 😑 For the first time in history, it’s a tie for me! 👍🏾👍🏾
Haha I love it
I've worked with some people like that for many years.
I think you did a great job, little bit awkward at first but your pictures are excellent. I wouldn't stand for that kind of behaviour now, but then I'm not starting out, now i'd just pack up my stuff and walk away, without a word being said ;) .......that would feel really good !
Ohhh damn I was already frustrated just watching this challenge. And all the time I kept asking myself if I would be able to handle such an attitude during a shoot since I’m very critical about my work. Damn this gonna be hard on me
You can do it David haha
I could see the stress on your face 😂 but I liked how you kept your cool. The photos you caught were still fire though. The one with her laying down by the pool was just great to me! I also liked the one in the yellow outfit :)
I appreciate it Luna haha
man your photo its totally sick!! how you can find perfect light and color?
Thanks a lot man
Um but this is expensive art so I can’t stand on it right? Correct? Okay 😭😂
See I would’ve made a big mistake, breaking the probably $10,000 butterfly installation. learning so much. Another awesome one. Thanks.
haha yea, I definitely had to make sure. Thank you!
Did you have the smoothest shoot between the two of you? No.
Did your photos turn out better than Jake's? Absolutely, loved them all!
Thanks a lot man!
LOVEDIT!
Fortunately this has never happened but shooting at Toronto International Film Festival we see how bishy the PR's are by not allowing fans to interact with the talent. Thank G*d most of the actors just do what they want and come over to us. 🙏