Just wanted to say how great the work is that the team did for this piece. We were so slammed with APUs and Iris Xe (and an overlapping vacation from a teammate) that we only had 12 hours to pull this piece together. That means all the testing, writing, image analysis, studying of the feature, and editing was done between the hours of 4pm and 4am, then I stayed behind for the upload. The other guys carried this one. I was barely alive after pushing the other pieces through. The reception has been great from you all - thanks for watching it!
The people that should be thanked would be your team, not us. Massive thanks for pushing out quality, thorough and direct content for all of us to view, even through all the hardships you're facing. Thank YOU, GN! Never been prouder to be part of a community.
@@buxtech Where I live, the 3000 g series is still available at the retailers and the 5000 g series only launches in august. Still, both options are cheapear in the long term than a gpu
Yeah Sound blaster cards had some awfull settings to fck up the original sound. Had to return the last SB card i had cause even without equalizer off it sounded just awful
Funnily enough that's the only game on the list that I will actually be playing, hope they add something like Warzone or similar so even FtP peasants like me can enjoy FSR
@@gerhardsmith7892 Farming simulator is strangely fun. I really didn't expect it at all. Bought FS19 on a whim at 50% off. It's now in the top 5 games I have the most hours in, let alone any sim game. I have 335 hours into it so far. Only behind Diablo 2 and 3, Warcraft 3, Gears of War 4, and soon to be Cyberpunk 2077, coming up on 300 hrs now. Kind of interested to see what FS22 brings.
@@andrewt9204 It's somewhat difficult to explain to someone else why some games are fun, I used to play a lot of Paradox games a couple years ago (850 hours on EU4), Minecraft, Sims, and of course Farming Simulator 2017, had a lot of hours of fun, but was always difficult explaining to someone else why those games were fun
AMD deserve a pat on the back. They delivered on a promise, for the most part, and have gone down the open source and cross platform route and this is only V1.0 - future iterations can only improve on this great starting point - we just need Games Developers & Studios to jump onboard and bring it to more games.
Considering how FSR works, I'm not really sure how it can improve apart from a total overhaul similar to the transition between DLSS 1.0 and 2.0. Just for info, FSR basically splits the image in 2 segments: shapes and details, then proceeds to upscale both using different method before making bring those back together for the post process pass.
@@VioletViolent I get where you’re coming from, but all I say is that FSR is open source - being posted to GPU Open - so it can only get better. It’s a great starting point and I think it has surprised a great many people, me included, many of whom I suspect were convinced AMD was going to fall flat on their face.
I'm a pessimist by heart, and I'm also not a software engineer. I should probably give AMD more credit considering how decent FSR seems here compared to their own reveal a few weeks ago
@@VioletViolent It’s great to have a “positive” that doesn’t discriminate and that just works despite which “tribe” you belong to, either by choice or because that’s all you could afford. Everyone wins and that rarely happens in the technology space.
since they have their GPUs in both XBox and PS5, i guess gamedevs will start using it more and more just because the big audience. Even TESLA joined in on the AMD Hardware.
Basically, in a nutshell, when you need more performance, instead of lowering the resolution you can use FSR, which lowers the resolution but provides very high quality upscaling. Honestly I'll take that as a win. Running anything but native resolution on an LCD has always looked pretty bad. This is great for people that just want to squeeze a little more out of their GPUs and make them last a bit longer without suffering by turning the resolution down.
There's upscaling monitor displays, then forcing display upscaling gives both more performance and clarity without input lag. Been testing FSR and it's easier to use, despite that ppl forget to turn image sharpening off then complain about blur (a 2nd CAS pass fuzzs)
It is a definite win for my usecase for example. When I did my computer build, both the parts and and monitor choice was a balancing act of productivity, gaming, room/desk space, and of course availability. Because of that I have a single quite large 4k monitor that I love using for productivity, but my GPU cannot handle most new games and good settings on 4k resolution. FSR seems to be providing just enough of a performance boost that it could enable me to use the monitor's native resolution instead of 1440p when playing games and that would be amazing.
AMD has been on a slow burn to the top for years now lol they've just been laying groundwork and accepted second place, waiting for the day they catch up
I was hesitant about this title and not expecting much, more so I was expecting a fail. Surprisingly, it was one of my, if not the, favorite game of that year. It's Fallout 3 in the Terminator universe with no references to the films made after Terminator 2. The last chapter will make any Terminator fan giddy!
It's actually a great game if you are a fan of the Terminator franchise. The story is great, always has been, and they've overhauled a bunch of mechanics, including AI, making the game more interesting and challenging.
Terminator Resistance is a great game, but it's single player only FPS game from a couple years ago that you can 100% in 10 hours so of course it's not got a lot of players in 2021.
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I hurts me the game is "so bad" according to many, but it's actually a really good game, a true love letter for the fans of The Terminator franchise. The developers knew what they are working with and cared about the fans.
I could guess the performance mode easily because it was blurry, but when it came out to Native 4k vs Balanced mode, the extra sharpening in some spots is what gave away the balanced mode to me. most people would probably see a sharper image and perceive it as the better option at first, but after spending time with it you can tell there is something wrong. but over all ultra quality and quality modes are very good for first gen of this feature.
I caught it through the OTHER telling part of any game, Frame Rate/Pacing. The middle was choppy as hell so its obviously a 4k image. Right was less choppy and smoother so likely balance. Left was smooth as silk and pretty much zero dropped frames/stutter that I could see so HAD to be the Performance Mode.
@@VioletViolent I agree that if the frame rate being the dead giveaway for a quick judgment, then this a great feature, specially for the people who can't afford the gpu upgrade that they need.
I think the most interesting part was the apu, seeing where you can upscale to a playable frame rate while using a higher quality setting on older/weaker hardware.
I'm actually wondering now if i can use fsr to do 4k with quality mode on my 1440p monitor. Would be interesting how much performance fsr actually costs compared to just going native and of it improves the image
I'm pleasantly surprised, on my 6900xt it gives an extra 20-30 fps at ultra and the change is barely noticeable - it's better than dlss 1.0 and is a win for gamers.
It's so much better than DLSS 1.0. I could hardly tell the difference when the Ultra Quality mode was used in 4K. I have a 2080 Super and this works flawlessly. Cudos AMD!
@@inspiringminds7284 I got the 6700xt to replace my 5700xt and I'm happy. I'm gonna rock with it for a few years I hope. Kuddos to you my fellow red team fellow!
1060 will be obsolete before this goes mainstream. it will take years like dlss used years. open source or not. dlss 2.x is still superior in every way.
Even watching in 1080p didn't do much for me. It's interesting that it can be used to upscale to 1080p, though. That may come in handy for me sometime.
At least they had a 1440p resolution version upload, unlike certain channels doing live testing on 4K monitors with a 1440p stream .. and they neglected to turn off the filters.
when u get it right :) although it looks like you'd be fine playing on any of them. I like these features which gives gpu purchases a longer life expectancy.
Well it obviously can't beat the native resolution, but it seems to improve the "crispness" if you have to sacrifice resolution in favor of performance. Great for weaker GPUs vs modern Games...and consoles.
Edit: IMO - 1080p with fsr vs 720p native should be a lil better for lower end graphics cards and integrated graphics. Now fsr with the 5700g... thats what I was expecting, boosting integrated graphics would probably get people by at 1080p 30fps or 1080p 60fps. That's what I'm excited to see from fsr. It should also boost 1% and .1% lows which would enable a more playable experience :) excited to see what games this gets implemented to.
@@rickysargulesh1053 it's impressive how much it helped- but you'll have to balance quality with framerate to how you like a game looking and feeling :) I personally can't go back to 30fps now, but 60fps is a sweet spot to me. Fingers crossed for you
if you could have a mode that changed from ultra quality to quality to balanced or something, depending of fps target you could set on the fly, that would be even better.
Thing is, you can't improve it much, not without machine learning. Traditional methods can't fill in detail that's not there. Machine learning can. I'm not an nvidia fanboy but what they're doing with dlss is pretty damn smart. Not investing in ai is a misstep from amd and it'll cost them in the long run.
@@LLPTV You can improve it a whole lot more without ML. Read the patents, not marketing! I think you'll be surprised by RDNA 3 and FSR Technology. But fyi AMD will have ML technology too.
@@MrUtherellus We'll see about that in a few years. I think you're all very wrong and mislead. But we'll see the only way to know for sure is to wait. I've read many peoples making all kinds of claims in the past and they've been all wrong. It's just like saying you can't improve windows 10 anymore. You folks just say things but you don't know what it really means what you're saying. You know everything about the algorithm FSR uses? Don't you understand that ML, AI is nothing else but algorithms? I mean come on peoples computers are just 0's and 1's.
@@nedegt1877 ummm... what a weird comparison with windows... I watched DLSS dev conferences. I watched and researched math behind FSR. One is smart AI reconstructor which has access to game engine vector data along with neighbor frames and is constantly getting more trained at data centers. And another one is FSR.
GN must be absolutely terrifying to PR departments!! We will read everything test everything to the highest standards, and spend as long as necessary to explain it simply^_^
I'm super glad I waited for actual third party benchmarks before judging this, because it's actually super impressive. Works regardless of your GPU (to an extent) and at higher resolutions like 1440p and 4k with the higher presets, you get a good performance bump for minimal quality loss. Even in it's current state it would be an automatic toggle for me. And at 1080p it's going to look better then simply running at a lower resolution, and the option is great for anyone that really needs it. Like, if you're on a gtx 960 having the option to toggle FSR and run a game even if it doesn't look great, is SO AWESOME to see.
It would be interesting to see the quality difference between a "Low Settings" 1080p with no FSR image compared to a "High/Ultra Settings" 720p scaled to 1080p FSR image at the same frame rate. In other words, how does upscaling a higher quality low-res image compare with a lower quality high-res image? Is it better to take a game you can play at 1080p at 60 Hz but only at Low Quality Settings, and playing the same game at 720p upscaled to 1080p, still at 60 Hz but with Higher Quality Settings?
@asdrubale bisanzio You don't get it. I'm not talking about that. Consoles get older, and as the time passes they become a major problem for developers wanting to expand their games further. Game development is always bound to where a console hardware can go. There is only so much optimization can do.
@asdrubale bisanzio Naa I disagree, Xbox is already supporting it and Salvador makes some strong points, your points honestly seem very biased against FSR, apologies if I misjudged, but that's a really weak response.
@asdrubale bisanzio Not true. The Consoles do not render in native 4k for the most part anyways but instead upscale a lower resolution image with a built-in upscaler. Which means you could see performace or image quality uplift as soon as it drops on consoles. Also, even if you develop directly on console, why wouldn't you use a solution that increases performance if it means you have more performance budget to spend elsewhere. FSR has just as much positive impact on console as it does on PC. Edit: Also, Modern Consoles are just pre-built pcs, so why would it make a difference?
I like the way AMD delivered a prototype that is somewhat functional. They did not rush to release it prematurely just to have a talking point or a counter to the competition. Seems like they learnt it is better to be late and better than early and broken. Looking forward to the matured FSR.
Can anyone explain to me how these top management people do not even know the correct name of their own shit? It feels completely amateur from their part… I guess they sell regardless even if they had called those 3080 banana split
What people don’t seem to realize is that there is a very large portion of pc gamers (especially outside the US) using very old or underpowered hardware, going into config files to potato a game as hard as possible to get playable framerates. This will help them astronomically if it is implemented enough
My expectations were not high for this feature. I knew it couldn't be amazing by nature of it being fundamentally lossy. Seeing the first example without the labels, the framerate tipped me off for native 4k, but all of them looked perfectly fine to me on a subjective level. I'm somewhat impressed.
It's less obvious with TH-cam's compression and in game blur enabled. Still, the ultra and quality look over sharpened for me, like when you crank the sharpness too high on your monitor.
FSR seems like it would work great as a replacement for dynamic resolution scaling. Imagine you just enable FSR and set a performance target and it automatically switches modes to hit the performance target while keeping better image quality than a standard dynamic resolution scaler.
I do like the short advertising of your sponsor here, I actually listend to you about their product instead of skipping it like most of times (on other vids here on youtube).
On my screen, 4K native and FSR Balanced looked too close to call until the scene wasn't in motion, that's a really incredible sharpening formula for something that isn't using motion vectors or other temporal information
It would be really interesting to see what a combo between checkerboard rendering + reconstruction via MSAA, _and_ FSR looks like, for more savings on shaders that don't need full resolution
Yep, I could easily spot the difference after I paused the video but during the gameplay it was almost impossible to tell. Even then the quality and native were damn close for a pretty significant tradeoff in fps it seems worth it.
I literrally had to pause the video and take a really close look at at the still image to know which one is which lol. No way i can see the difference in motion.
Great video, really appreciate the speed of its release as FSR has been the biggest curiosity for so long. This is *huge* for console gaming. Still pretty neat for PC gaming and extending component life time.
I was stoked, sitting on my couch 8 feet away from the 65' 4k TV I was able to determine which demo was native 4k, and which ones were using FidelityFX accurately. I was looking for compression artifacts in the explosions which is what gave it away for me. Great video and breakdown Steve, and that was a fun way to test the viewer.
In a follow up piece I would like to see Performance normalized benchmarks. Meaning compare the image quality of FSR against the native resolution with the same FPS. Since FSR itself has a frametime cost, it's a little unfair to just compare it to the native res, that it is upscaling from.
Marketing wank aside, I was fairly impressed with the FSR quality setting. The performance setting was obvious immediately, but I had to really eye the native vs quality ones to see some excessive sharpening and odd lighting side effects to tell them apart. It's likely not as good as dlss2.0, but it also doesn't necessarily need to be for many use cases, if I can stretch an older or lower tier gpu for another year or two, or in text/interface heavy games let people play at native res instead of fully post upscaled, with a dash of image quality improvements (vs just scaling) along the way, that's a huge win. Hopefully with enough popularity, they might continue to develop new opengpu upscalers. I'd love to see a more integrated motion aware version in the future.
Have you played Red Dead Redemption 2 by any chance? I'm running it on a GTX 660 2GB at 720p on a 1080 monitor, all low settings, no anti-aliasing. I can't for the life of me find a jagged edge or weird lighting effect on really thin objects. Wonder if they already use sopmething like this in their game.
@@dewaynethomas3122 Your image has to be upscaled to fit the full panel, this can either be done at source or by the monitor's own image scaler function on it's main PCB. The downside is that it adds latency but on a slow paced game like RDR2 this probably doesn't cause an issue for most people.
@@dewaynethomas3122 That possibly because of TAA upscale, which is supported on games that have TAA and internal resolution slider (most modern games do). But it's also possible that you don't see jaggedness just because everything is blurry, though it's curious that you don't see many shimmering.
@@sololoquy3783 That's the funny thing. It's not blurry at all. Sharp as shit. If I had the game installed I'd take some screenshots. There is this weird ass shimmering on the back of the horses though at some points in the storyline. Maybe not shimmering, possibly jsut a glitch with the horsy texture.
Lossless Scaling which is a neat interger upscaling program on Steam just implemented FSR as an upscaling option. So this means any game with a windowed mode supports FSR now.
Me looking at the fsr clips on a barely over 1080p phone screen: interesting Ok I got it right. The balanced looked mostly right but for both of them some of the rocks gave it away
I could clearly tell the difference on a 1080p phone screen, but it did get into nitpicky territory where I was obsessively focusing on specific details that would stand out, I don't think I'd notice a major decrease in quality while playing.
There's no point of games if you can't play them. That's why if FSR manages to push the low-end to playable framerates it should be the sensible option for most developers, as it improves ofc, it will be a better option than DLSS monopoly to force sell RTX cards
Maybe you haven't noticed, but when companies in any industry start innovating at the higher end of the enthusiast market, they tend to lock it down to their products. Especially when second place is SO far behind. Whether that's proprietary hardware connections, trademarks, patents....whatever, they want their product to be the best. That's all Nvidia has done with DLSS. It gives better performance while also making the image better than native (in quality mode). There is literally no downside other than proprietary hardware...which is 100% understandable as a business decision. Nvidia cards paired with DLSS 2.0 games are so insanely ahead of anything else on the market, that you would be a complete moron not to make sure your company's name isn't directly associated with it. AMD is doing a good job at the lower end, and will benefit many more people by making more games accessible to their current hardware. That's awesome, but the reason it doesn't deserve comparison to DLSS is because of that. This is a low end enhancement that will give their brand some street credit to the people that need the extra performance, but can't afford any form of upgrade. DLSS 2.0 is for the enthusiast high end, that allows you to add even more high end features like ray tracing to an already amazing pixel count, without sacrificing any performance. So it just makes the best even better. Enthusiasts like myself do NOT like compromise, and FSR clearly requires the user to make one. DLSS 1 sucked and didn't get used by anyone, so we'll see if FSR even makes the attempt to compete in the "no compromise" arena, but I have a feeling that isn't even the company's vision.
@@dylanpresidafonseca2545 which shows the intent was never to just be a blanket solution like FSR. I talked about innovation, which encompasses your comment about new dedicated hardware.
@@T1cksandLeeches The tensor cores in the RTX was not put in there for gamers. But since they were there. They wanted to make money from them. So they worked on DLSS. Sure DLSS is better. I'm not say it isn't. But no gaming company that I know of will ever stay in business in making a game to sell to 10% of the market. They want to appeal to as wide of a market as they can. So AMD I feel will win out. Mainly due to the consoles.
Tested ANNO and Riftbreakers myself and was pretty impressed with it really. I have a 6900xt and run at 3440x1440 ultrawide, tried the games at Ultra quality and unless you stop to really look its really hard to notice anything.. main thing is the nice little performance bump you get and all for free :) AMD are on to a winner with this just need to see more games pick it up.
@@crusherman96 I find 1080p on 27 inch monitor is a bit blurred, so I would hope that FSR would make it look better. I've never actually even tries dlss either, so I have nothing compare to it. But if FSR made 1080p look sharp enough on high settings and boost fps its a win for me. I mean honestly I don't even know if I would tell the difference in frame rates lol
@@crusherman96 That's exactly the point. You CAN lower the resolution to get a better frame rate, but then things look much worse. With FSR/DLSS you get performance similar to using a lower resolution but appearance similar to using a higher resolution. It's another tool you can use to get the best looking game at the frame rate you want.
small psa: in COD warzone DLSS was broken at one point. When using it the cross-hair no longer aligned with the impact point of the bullets. this was worse the higher the dlss quality went(so quality was off by more than balanced, performance was close to in line) It is fixed by now. But when playing competitive games with these smart upscalers. Be sure to check if they work as expected.
Well I'm glad that it's not a complete fail. This is just the beginning guys... It'll improve in time, and especially that it's an open source, we'll be getting a lot of tweaks and improvement coming from the public support.
@mat a the way you wrote your first comment it looks more like you're saying dlss 1.0 was bad because it was made 3 years earlier. Even if it was made that while ago better technologies were present.
Fps over quality everytime, i prefer at least 60 fps than good graphics, this helps the low end to reach de 60, its a matter of time to be in more games
Preach. Performance is king. No blurriness is 2nd. And actual detail on textures is last. As long as I get the 2 things, then textures can be early 2000s CGI for all I care
You can have good graphics too, if you stick with 1080p instead of trying to tackle 4 times the fill rate with 4K. I want more pixels per second, not more pixels per frame.
11:54 (commenting before the video ends, not something I usually do) For me, it was clear that the footage in the middle was the "native" one, but couldn't distinguish between the ones on the left and right) Thanks for the video, GN team!
This is going to be FANTASTIC for the PS5 and Xbox.. whatever it's called at the moment. Really good news. I hope this means the Minecraft devs can do 60fps pathtracing now.
FSR seems to mostly shine with higher input resolution, and I'm curious to see more in depth reviews of performance/image quality impact on lower resolutions and weaker hardware, where FSR would actually be worth considering
I think those technologies are an interesting alternative to lowering graphics settings. You get odd things in your visuals but it may be better than missing assets or whatever lowering the graphics will do to your game.
DLSS is amazing technology. If I can game without it, I always do, because it is noticeable if ever so slightly. Loving that AMD is continuing to compete by offering FidelityFX as an option. I'd imagine it'll get better over time for sure. Looking forward to it.
@@andersjjensen nah not really, just look at both of their videos about dual *rank* memory when zen3 launched, also aus steve was the one who found about nvidia driver overhead problems after doing thousands of independant benchmarks
@@arkdesign9517 "The 6900XT is stupid and pointless", "The Ryzen 3000 XT refresh is nothing but a marketing stunt and a money grab to reset MSRPs for next generation", "That AMD has not released non-X variants of Ryzen 5000 have put themselves in the situation where the 10400/11400 and 10600/10600 are now much better value".... you mean that kind of sucking off?
@@andersjjensen exactly, even in those ones they're sucking amd willie. Go on, play the video, compare how a normal person slates a product and how a shill does it. Anyway, i ccl what you or others watch, just saying they're holding a bag for amd.
I've tested FSR with both Anno and Riftbreaker. It's honestly pretty brilliant! In 4K When Ultra Quality mode is used, it's almost impossible to tell the difference. An added bonus is that I tested this on my Nvidia card haha!
Just for reference: i tried Riftbreaker running on my Intel HD 630 (i3 7300) it turns from unplayable 12 FPS to 28 FPS in performance mode. So FSR works on an Intel HD 630 like a charm - even it is not nearly on the supported GPU list.
Terminator Resistance was actually a decent game, and that rarely happens when licenses of that caliber get handed out to game devs. Just look at the crap Square Enix is pushing out with the Marvel's Avengers license. Also loved how you managed to roast a state that get's burnt yearly. On a serious side note, I'm really looking forward to see this technology arrive in the mainstream. Like you said, it needs to get on the big titles, even if that means it may look weak against DLSS 2.0, though in my opinion, avoiding the comparison does it no favour in that regard. I got the three settings in comparison right, though I had to pause and replay some parts a couple times to be really sure.
@@kas-lw7xz I heard AMD fsr doesn't work on gtx 900 series. The amd key note did not mention it. Yet at 1:21 this video says AMD fsr supports gtx 900 series. I have a gtx 970.
Great that AMD is willing to provide settings that provide very material performance gains at the sacrifice of quality. Helpful to people that need it and can be ignored by those that don't. Pro consumer choice from AMD in a way.
I got the guess perfectly correct. It's easy once you notice 1.) FSR makes things darker. Native is a lot lighter and brighter, yet still has darker shadows with more depth. And 2.) The fine detail on rocks. Native is crispy, performance is blurry, balanced is grainy and leaves rectangles on curves. I really wish it was better lol
This will be a game changer for consoles, especially since when you're sitting at a TV you're not 6 inches from the screen typically. Just like freesync, I think this will take off and be widely used. I wouldn't be too surprised this technology is going to be used for the 4k upscaling on the Nintendo Switch.
I thought the same. Why amd said better than native. Then I remembered once my brother who never games loved sharpened 1080 with medium quality more than native 1080 with high quality. You will be shocked by my people will prefer sharpened look more than the native one. That's why tv manufacture implement sharpness option. I always reduce it to 0 but I increase it to 25 once my family is watching. Its just people prefer sharpened look because they don't know what make a game visually appealing.
Tbh 4k upscaling from 1080p looks very good, nice high fps, and i like that this could enable people with rx480 ish cards to play 4k with good framecounts. A little loss in fine details is neglectable imo..
Harsh on Terminator: Resistance, it's actually a really fun game. I think it wasn't marketed well, or at all. I know it existed until I stumbled across it on Steam.
One of the best Terminator games ever. Also I tried this super-duper fx on it yesterday and got 20% more FPS on a 2070 in ultra FSR setting for minimal image quality loss. Total win in my book.
@Picasso Pablo Yes, although I wouldn't go as far as to assume them all being bought (if this is what you meant). For sure some are bought, but for the most I think it's a general problem of internet media relying on hype trains, as this generally catches most attention with the least effort. And opposed to earlier times (like the 80's and 90's game magazines), the internet actually centralizes this behaviour IMHO, because where we once had thousands of 'little opinion islands' , there now always is one currently common most popular denominator about any topic, especially on TH-cam with it's own popularity related algorithms. So the change from the reviewer's dependency on ads (from many diverse companies..) to a new dependency on only views seemingly achieved the opposite of what we would have expected: Fewer and more similar opinions = less diversity. :( Actually for games it can be good to check the smaller channels which many of remain small, just because they don't like flowing with the stream.
@Picasso Pablo Yeah, Jayztowcents became suspect to me, when about half a year, ago, he started that completely unjustified 'Hey! Graphics cards are now cheap again!" stuff .. ;)
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It's so bad critics shits on it. But actually it's a game for fans and it does a fantastic job with that. Devs truly cared about fans with that game. Much better than the latest movies.
Months later FSR is in Cyberpunk, and it's really nice. Perhaps other optimizations also improved frames in areas, but I went from around mid-40fps at medium settings to 60-70fps medium settings with FSR Quality and a rx480, at a more than tolerable trade-off of image quality. Huge upgrade from CAS. At Ultra Quality, I get 10-20 more fps with no perceivable loss of image quality. Made me a believer for sure.
This actually looks pretty promising, even moreso than the initial reveal. I hope AMD can get some more implementation into games. I want to try it out, but I don't have the games that currently support it. I'm also a bit worried because I heard that Nvidia is trying to prevent game developers from adopting FSR.
Well, Unreal engine 4 already got dlss, Unreal engine 5 is getting dlss 2.2 support, Unit is going to get it, same for latest id software engine and many others. But developers can still support fsr too if they want.
That sample was nearly impossible to distinguish in such conditions. I had to look for a flaw. Noticed the Native quality, and with really heavy look over saw the performance and then the balanced. It's an amazing work at what they achieved so far for all of us.
I guessed them correctly fairly easily. I immediately noticed the left one looked blurry on the rocks compared to the others so I assumed right away it was performance fsr. Right side textures looked slightly less "crisp" to me than center so I guessed balanced on the right and native in the center.
All this is great, now we just need some people to stop calling these upscaling techniques “Native Resolution” like I’ve seen in some comment threads. As impressive as the technologies are, calling them native resolution is like comparing a whole small pizza to a slice of extra large pizza. Yes, you might be getting a similar fill of pizza, but the extra large slice is still a slice. It’s not a whole pizza like the small is. Likewise, as impressive FSR and DLSS are at resolving an image to a higher screen resolution, you’re not getting a native image, so people need to stop calling it native.
It gets worse when people say that DLSS looks better than native resolution. I've seen that multiple times and it's such a dumb statement. Even consoles have been using multiple forms of upscaling for years and, while they look pretty good, native res will always look better.
@@rodryguezzz @Forrest Edgar - dlss can look better than native - maybe not in general, but it is finally a good solution to the temporal aliasing issue - if someone finds that very annoying (it's awful when it happens) then that could be enough to tip the scales in its favour on the image quality slider.
Just wanted to say how great the work is that the team did for this piece. We were so slammed with APUs and Iris Xe (and an overlapping vacation from a teammate) that we only had 12 hours to pull this piece together. That means all the testing, writing, image analysis, studying of the feature, and editing was done between the hours of 4pm and 4am, then I stayed behind for the upload. The other guys carried this one. I was barely alive after pushing the other pieces through. The reception has been great from you all - thanks for watching it!
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much appreciated the deep dive as usual thank you guys!
The people that should be thanked would be your team, not us. Massive thanks for pushing out quality, thorough and direct content for all of us to view, even through all the hardships you're facing. Thank YOU, GN! Never been prouder to be part of a community.
Now go to sleep!
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Better start than DLSS.
Annual GN Not Bad awards should be a thing!
@@GamersNexus given how much garbage comes out these days, acceptable is indeed an achievement
The performance boost on the ryzen g series is huge. For people who can't get a gpu and are building their PC's, this certainly helps.
Problem is they are only available to SIs at the moment. So it kind of defeats the purpose if you’re doing your own build and can’t get it.
@@buxtech Well, not that long until August.
That assumes you’ll be able to buy one on the DIY market when it comes out and it won’t be in the same shape that all the GPUs are…
@@buxtech Where I live, the 3000 g series is still available at the retailers and the 5000 g series only launches in august. Still, both options are cheapear in the long term than a gpu
Which it is the reason why older GPUs need it much more than newer and more powerful GPUs.
Steve: “It’s not bad”
AMD: “I see this as an absolute win!”
AMD = Red Professor Hulk 😂😂😂
Watching on TH-cam with compression and at 480p: *Looks good to me!*
Watching at 144p, it all looks terrible to me.
I can't hear FidelityFX without thinking of Creative Sound Blaster.
Yeah Sound blaster cards had some awfull settings to fck up the original sound. Had to return the last SB card i had cause even without equalizer off it sounded just awful
FrameBlaster FX 🤣😂
THAT is a throwback!
or worse, the fx triggers my geforce 5 fx ptsd ugh
@@MissMan666 lol nothing like cutting all the mids 1-12khz and boosting everything leftover by +8db
The only game I care about is Farming Simulator. Can't have pixelated corn.
Funnily enough that's the only game on the list that I will actually be playing, hope they add something like Warzone or similar so even FtP peasants like me can enjoy FSR
KkonaW damn right brother
Pixelated... corn... I think I- Never mind
@@gerhardsmith7892 Farming simulator is strangely fun. I really didn't expect it at all. Bought FS19 on a whim at 50% off. It's now in the top 5 games I have the most hours in, let alone any sim game. I have 335 hours into it so far. Only behind Diablo 2 and 3, Warcraft 3, Gears of War 4, and soon to be Cyberpunk 2077, coming up on 300 hrs now.
Kind of interested to see what FS22 brings.
@@andrewt9204
It's somewhat difficult to explain to someone else why some games are fun, I used to play a lot of Paradox games a couple years ago (850 hours on EU4), Minecraft, Sims, and of course Farming Simulator 2017, had a lot of hours of fun, but was always difficult explaining to someone else why those games were fun
AMD deserve a pat on the back. They delivered on a promise, for the most part, and have gone down the open source and cross platform route and this is only V1.0 - future iterations can only improve on this great starting point - we just need Games Developers & Studios to jump onboard and bring it to more games.
Considering how FSR works, I'm not really sure how it can improve apart from a total overhaul similar to the transition between DLSS 1.0 and 2.0. Just for info, FSR basically splits the image in 2 segments: shapes and details, then proceeds to upscale both using different method before making bring those back together for the post process pass.
@@VioletViolent I get where you’re coming from, but all I say is that FSR is open source - being posted to GPU Open - so it can only get better. It’s a great starting point and I think it has surprised a great many people, me included, many of whom I suspect were convinced AMD was going to fall flat on their face.
I'm a pessimist by heart, and I'm also not a software engineer. I should probably give AMD more credit considering how decent FSR seems here compared to their own reveal a few weeks ago
@@VioletViolent It’s great to have a “positive” that doesn’t discriminate and that just works despite which “tribe” you belong to, either by choice or because that’s all you could afford. Everyone wins and that rarely happens in the technology space.
since they have their GPUs in both XBox and PS5, i guess gamedevs will start using it more and more just because the big audience. Even TESLA joined in on the AMD Hardware.
Basically, in a nutshell, when you need more performance, instead of lowering the resolution you can use FSR, which lowers the resolution but provides very high quality upscaling. Honestly I'll take that as a win. Running anything but native resolution on an LCD has always looked pretty bad. This is great for people that just want to squeeze a little more out of their GPUs and make them last a bit longer without suffering by turning the resolution down.
I see that as a definite win, this is for those that want to squeeze just another year of GPU usage before having to upgrade which I really support.
There's upscaling monitor displays, then forcing display upscaling gives both more performance and clarity without input lag.
Been testing FSR and it's easier to use, despite that ppl forget to turn image sharpening off then complain about blur (a 2nd CAS pass fuzzs)
Amd clapping nvidia here. Imagine team red serving both teams..
Thanks for the breakdown, I was still confused
It is a definite win for my usecase for example. When I did my computer build, both the parts and and monitor choice was a balancing act of productivity, gaming, room/desk space, and of course availability. Because of that I have a single quite large 4k monitor that I love using for productivity, but my GPU cannot handle most new games and good settings on 4k resolution. FSR seems to be providing just enough of a performance boost that it could enable me to use the monitor's native resolution instead of 1440p when playing games and that would be amazing.
I’m just impressed that AMD constructed a piece of software that actually worked in beta/testing. Good job guys, you’re moving in the right direction.
As a 5700xt owner since release, yeah.
how do you know it worked? They just said "it works"
AMD has been on a slow burn to the top for years now lol they've just been laying groundwork and accepted second place, waiting for the day they catch up
"Other than the fact that, us running it on two computer increased its active player count by 8%"
Shots fired! ROFL :-D
A T1000 died for this post.
Funny but true. It seems a lot of these games are only implementing this feature, to get a bit of attention by being benchmarked in reviews.
Still one of the best Terminator games
I was hesitant about this title and not expecting much, more so I was expecting a fail. Surprisingly, it was one of my, if not the, favorite game of that year. It's Fallout 3 in the Terminator universe with no references to the films made after Terminator 2. The last chapter will make any Terminator fan giddy!
@@ultima913 that sounds like a winning combination. I might get it now.
Editors Note: Terminator: Resistance was murdered during the production of this video.
What is dead may never die.
It'll be back.
It's actually a fairly good game though. If you're a Terminator fan and haven't played it you should try it.
@@ClellBiggs it is!
It was... Terminated.
Intel be like: You can literally see it.
Back to you Steve 😂😂😂
@@adnantaufique68 Yeah true xD
But you actually can. Thank you, Steve!
Intel should make a new slogan. " We ain't gonna give you value for your money but we sure will give you meme materials" . 👌
Would ya just look at it.
STEVE! I LOVE every time you sneak that Nvidia “Tie” clip in, never gets old
Dame, my little 970 will feel like Arnold Schwarzenegger in his old days
Not supported
@@WuWeiJack not officially supported but looks like it works. Not that I have one myself but from what people have said online.
@@WuWeiJack the guy who made this Video just said it works for gtx 900 series including the gtx970.
"our two computers increased the active player count of Terminator by 8%" 💀💀
Ded
It's actually a great game if you are a fan of the Terminator franchise.
The story is great, always has been, and they've overhauled a bunch of mechanics, including AI, making the game more interesting and challenging.
o.O
Terminator Resistance is a great game, but it's single player only FPS game from a couple years ago that you can 100% in 10 hours so of course it's not got a lot of players in 2021.
I hurts me the game is "so bad" according to many, but it's actually a really good game, a true love letter for the fans of The Terminator franchise. The developers knew what they are working with and cared about the fans.
I could guess the performance mode easily because it was blurry, but when it came out to Native 4k vs Balanced mode, the extra sharpening in some spots is what gave away the balanced mode to me. most people would probably see a sharper image and perceive it as the better option at first, but after spending time with it you can tell there is something wrong. but over all ultra quality and quality modes are very good for first gen of this feature.
I caught it through the OTHER telling part of any game, Frame Rate/Pacing. The middle was choppy as hell so its obviously a 4k image. Right was less choppy and smoother so likely balance. Left was smooth as silk and pretty much zero dropped frames/stutter that I could see so HAD to be the Performance Mode.
The frame rate gave it away for me, 4K native had a much lower frame rate.
The fact that the biggest clue as to which image was which mode for me being fps is a testament to how decent FSR is
@@VioletViolent I agree that if the frame rate being the dead giveaway for a quick judgment, then this a great feature, specially for the people who can't afford the gpu upgrade that they need.
You can tell even on a small smartphone screen, especially when you look at shadows. I did not see the fps difference on the phone though.
"We couldnt hardly tell the difference between the post-apocalyptic hellscape(of Pasadina, california) and Terminator resistance"😂
i spat out my coffee when I heard this :D
Pasadena is nice though
they arent wrong lol
As a guy who regular drives through socal, this is 100% correct
Yeah, that one sent me
I think the most interesting part was the apu, seeing where you can upscale to a playable frame rate while using a higher quality setting on older/weaker hardware.
I'm actually wondering now if i can use fsr to do 4k with quality mode on my 1440p monitor. Would be interesting how much performance fsr actually costs compared to just going native and of it improves the image
Also we will be able to use this on GTX gpus. Perfect :)
I'm pleasantly surprised, on my 6900xt it gives an extra 20-30 fps at ultra and the change is barely noticeable - it's better than dlss 1.0 and is a win for gamers.
It's so much better than DLSS 1.0. I could hardly tell the difference when the Ultra Quality mode was used in 4K. I have a 2080 Super and this works flawlessly. Cudos AMD!
This man is clearly lying, no consumer has ever been able to get their hands in that mythic 6900xt, is just an urban legend to scare nvidia executives
@@dienekes6420 I have the 6900xt Ultimate, freaking rules man!
@@inspiringminds7284 I got the 6700xt to replace my 5700xt and I'm happy. I'm gonna rock with it for a few years I hope. Kuddos to you my fellow red team fellow!
Damn, that a pretty decent starting point for AMD.
yeah, quite impressive! should only get better. hope they continue on this and try to compete with or improve like/on dlss2.0.
Looks simalar to DLSS 1.0..... Party like it's 2019? 😄
@@Ebilcake A party where everyone's included, fuck yeah.
@@Somerandomegamer Even RTX users didn't want to use DLSS 1.0 though, free or not.
@@Ebilcake isn't DLSS 1.0 was worse than just lower the resolution? that's why it wasn't popular at the time because there's no point doing it...
All the downsides feel irrelevant considering how much fps boost it gives.
I need this. My 1060 needs this.
Thanks, GN.
1060 will be obsolete before this goes mainstream. it will take years like dlss used years. open source or not. dlss 2.x is still superior in every way.
@@Dr.WhetFarts oh no,open source definitely has the ability to dethrone exclusivity, even if it suffers a greater loss of quality.
@@Dr.WhetFarts LMAO you can literally taste the salt from the comments of those that bought and defend nvidia with anything they can latch on to...
thank amd :D
It gives no boost, stop being naive.
You get more boost by just lowering your resolution, which is exactly what this does.
Me watching in 480p:
Hmmmm, yes, good. I see. * *Eyes bleed* *
I 'watched' the video with my phone in my pocket. I'm mostly interested in what GN has to say about it
Even watching in 1080p didn't do much for me. It's interesting that it can be used to upscale to 1080p, though. That may come in handy for me sometime.
I guess your browser needs some FidelityFX Super Resolution love.
I watched in 1440p
On my phone
Lalalal
At least they had a 1440p resolution version upload, unlike certain channels doing live testing on 4K monitors with a 1440p stream .. and they neglected to turn off the filters.
Legit thought Steve was drunk based on how he was speaking until he said the team pulled an all-nighter. You're too good to us, Steve and GN team.
I just wanna take a moment to thank GN for adding timestamps the make sense to EVERY video. So fucking underrated.
when u get it right :)
although it looks like you'd be fine playing on any of them.
I like these features which gives gpu purchases a longer life expectancy.
Well it obviously can't beat the native resolution, but it seems to improve the "crispness" if you have to sacrifice resolution in favor of performance.
Great for weaker GPUs vs modern Games...and consoles.
Try a 7970. Yep
What worries me is that developers might eventually throw optimization out the window and just include FSR and DLSS to make games playable.
@@mrhills8868 6
*granted devs don't get lazy and calculate performance with fsr in mind
Edit: IMO - 1080p with fsr vs 720p native should be a lil better for lower end graphics cards and integrated graphics. Now fsr with the 5700g... thats what I was expecting, boosting integrated graphics would probably get people by at 1080p 30fps or 1080p 60fps. That's what I'm excited to see from fsr. It should also boost 1% and .1% lows which would enable a more playable experience :) excited to see what games this gets implemented to.
integrated graphics can barely run 720p30+ with some games imagine 1080p upscaled with fsr even on quality (720p), there is a performance impact.
Hope that it helps the 5600g. Can't wait to test it when I finally get the 5600g
@@rickysargulesh1053 it's impressive how much it helped- but you'll have to balance quality with framerate to how you like a game looking and feeling :) I personally can't go back to 30fps now, but 60fps is a sweet spot to me. Fingers crossed for you
What do you expect from intergrated gpu bro.. at least you're getting performance boost to a playable fps
if you could have a mode that changed from ultra quality to quality to balanced or something, depending of fps target you could set on the fly, that would be even better.
Thanks Steve
Back to you, Steve
This is some really strong start considering it is version 1.0.
Thing is, you can't improve it much, not without machine learning. Traditional methods can't fill in detail that's not there. Machine learning can. I'm not an nvidia fanboy but what they're doing with dlss is pretty damn smart.
Not investing in ai is a misstep from amd and it'll cost them in the long run.
@@LLPTV You can improve it a whole lot more without ML. Read the patents, not marketing!
I think you'll be surprised by RDNA 3 and FSR Technology. But fyi AMD will have ML technology too.
@@nedegt1877 nah he is right. FSR is not AI powered and essentially represents -->upscalereconstruction
@@MrUtherellus We'll see about that in a few years. I think you're all very wrong and mislead. But we'll see the only way to know for sure is to wait. I've read many peoples making all kinds of claims in the past and they've been all wrong.
It's just like saying you can't improve windows 10 anymore. You folks just say things but you don't know what it really means what you're saying. You know everything about the algorithm FSR uses? Don't you understand that ML, AI is nothing else but algorithms? I mean come on peoples computers are just 0's and 1's.
@@nedegt1877 ummm... what a weird comparison with windows...
I watched DLSS dev conferences. I watched and researched math behind FSR.
One is smart AI reconstructor which has access to game engine vector data along with neighbor frames and is constantly getting more trained at data centers.
And another one is FSR.
GN must be absolutely terrifying to PR departments!! We will read everything test everything to the highest standards, and spend as long as necessary to explain it simply^_^
Gotta get that bitrate up somehow
Good, fuck marketing and pr!
That's what I love about them too
I saw that Pasadena joke coming a mile a way and still laughed.
I'm super glad I waited for actual third party benchmarks before judging this, because it's actually super impressive. Works regardless of your GPU (to an extent) and at higher resolutions like 1440p and 4k with the higher presets, you get a good performance bump for minimal quality loss. Even in it's current state it would be an automatic toggle for me. And at 1080p it's going to look better then simply running at a lower resolution, and the option is great for anyone that really needs it. Like, if you're on a gtx 960 having the option to toggle FSR and run a game even if it doesn't look great, is SO AWESOME to see.
It supports gtx 10 series and above, unfortunately
@@chacharealsmooth941 But on the other hand, my 1070ti would benefit massively for playing VR games.
@@chacharealsmooth941 Steve said in the video that it works on gtx 900 series cards as well, although they are not officially supported.
It would be interesting to see the quality difference between a "Low Settings" 1080p with no FSR image compared to a "High/Ultra Settings" 720p scaled to 1080p FSR image at the same frame rate. In other words, how does upscaling a higher quality low-res image compare with a lower quality high-res image?
Is it better to take a game you can play at 1080p at 60 Hz but only at Low Quality Settings, and playing the same game at 720p upscaled to 1080p, still at 60 Hz but with Higher Quality Settings?
@@chacharealsmooth941 Hardware Unboxed tested at least one Maxwell card, it works,though the frame rate improvements aren't as good as in newer cards.
Do you know why FSR will be widely implemented? Consoles are AMD.
@asdrubale bisanzio You don't get it. I'm not talking about that.
Consoles get older, and as the time passes they become a major problem for developers wanting to expand their games further. Game development is always bound to where a console hardware can go. There is only so much optimization can do.
@asdrubale bisanzio Naa I disagree, Xbox is already supporting it and Salvador makes some strong points, your points honestly seem very biased against FSR, apologies if I misjudged, but that's a really weak response.
Also AMD is doing phones too
@asdrubale bisanzio Not true. The Consoles do not render in native 4k for the most part anyways but instead upscale a lower resolution image with a built-in upscaler. Which means you could see performace or image quality uplift as soon as it drops on consoles. Also, even if you develop directly on console, why wouldn't you use a solution that increases performance if it means you have more performance budget to spend elsewhere. FSR has just as much positive impact on console as it does on PC.
Edit: Also, Modern Consoles are just pre-built pcs, so why would it make a difference?
@asdrubale bisanzio Remember that consoles have been using upscaling techniques for more than 10 years now, don't fool yourself.
"Older than RX400 series should work too" - absolutely. Just tried it on an HD 7770, and it does work.
Now THAT’S impressive. Next up is Kepler although mainline driver support ends for it this september (goes security only until 2024)
I like the way AMD delivered a prototype that is somewhat functional. They did not rush to release it prematurely just to have a talking point or a counter to the competition. Seems like they learnt it is better to be late and better than early and broken. Looking forward to the matured FSR.
Tried this on riftbreakers
Im impressed with the FPS improvements i got with RTX on
1660TI
What's it like using RTX with the 1660 tie?
😭 cries in 5000 series amd
@@CaveyMoth Looks sweet
FSR helps alot to get a stable 70FPS
On Ultra quality mode
RTX isn't even available on 1xxx and lower series, how the hell did you get it to work? Are you faking?
@@fishyc43sar It works, but very poorly. Well, I mean even more poorly.
"The GeForce 3080 TIE" should be in the intro at this point lmao. Never let that meme die
Someone should photoshop a Tie on that person and make it look like a 3080Ti :-D
@@Towik Or photoshop a Tie on the regular 3080.
Can anyone explain to me how these top management people do not even know the correct name of their own shit? It feels completely amateur from their part… I guess they sell regardless even if they had called those 3080 banana split
@@antoniocampione8831 Those are the guys that went to business school because they were too stupid to major in anything else.
I look forward to getting a 3080 tie from the Gamers Nexus store.
What people don’t seem to realize is that there is a very large portion of pc gamers (especially outside the US) using very old or underpowered hardware, going into config files to potato a game as hard as possible to get playable framerates.
This will help them astronomically if it is implemented enough
This is honestly a huge win simply due to the APUs, rdna apu's will be pretty nuts with this.
@SOTOS S The slight image quality loss is well worth the boost in fps.
My expectations were not high for this feature.
I knew it couldn't be amazing by nature of it being fundamentally lossy. Seeing the first example without the labels, the framerate tipped me off for native 4k, but all of them looked perfectly fine to me on a subjective level.
I'm somewhat impressed.
Lets take a moment and appreciate Steves lungs, he says more than most. And when its facts, its a lot!
Levelled up his lung capacity trying to ride those AMD bikes.
On god
Since I have coke bottle lenses for glasses, I see no difference.
My eyes downscale the resolution against my will...
I don't have coke bottle lenses and still couldn't see any difference.... Maybe it was because I was watching on my cellphone
Look on the bright side, you can just go performance mode and be like mmm looks the same.
R/get-contacts 😂
It's less obvious with TH-cam's compression and in game blur enabled. Still, the ultra and quality look over sharpened for me, like when you crank the sharpness too high on your monitor.
FSR seems like it would work great as a replacement for dynamic resolution scaling. Imagine you just enable FSR and set a performance target and it automatically switches modes to hit the performance target while keeping better image quality than a standard dynamic resolution scaler.
It doesn't seem to be as flexible as DRS, but I would guess that DRS + FSR would look better
@@inertia_dagger It should be, the modes that FSR offers are actually totally arbitrary, it can upscale from any resolution
@@mduckernz oh, that's good to hear then
1:42 Classic line "We've even heard of some of these" !! Reminds me of RTX adoption.
I do like the short advertising of your sponsor here, I actually listend to you about their product instead of skipping it like most of times (on other vids here on youtube).
we appreciate all that you do! now lets hear about FSR
This could be huge for people who are still stuck with 480s and 580s
OMG and my 980ti YAYYYY
RX Vega mobile!
@@anharun and the consoles haha
I’m going to try it out in Anno with my 980ti this afternoon lol. Should be interesting. 3440x1440 display~
@@LeftJoystick I thought it only went back to the 10 series
On my screen, 4K native and FSR Balanced looked too close to call until the scene wasn't in motion, that's a really incredible sharpening formula for something that isn't using motion vectors or other temporal information
It would be really interesting to see what a combo between checkerboard rendering + reconstruction via MSAA, _and_ FSR looks like, for more savings on shaders that don't need full resolution
I was able to pick the native resolution, but only because I didn't have to play the game and could concentrate on finding the differences.
Yep, I could easily spot the difference after I paused the video but during the gameplay it was almost impossible to tell. Even then the quality and native were damn close for a pretty significant tradeoff in fps it seems worth it.
I literrally had to pause the video and take a really close look at at the still image to know which one is which lol. No way i can see the difference in motion.
Honestly, doing any sort of quality comparison from a youtube video is going to be rough. TH-cam adds its own compression and artifacts.
Another really good review, unbiased with a lot of data considering the timeframe this was put together in - great job Steve and team!
Great video, really appreciate the speed of its release as FSR has been the biggest curiosity for so long.
This is *huge* for console gaming. Still pretty neat for PC gaming and extending component life time.
I was stoked, sitting on my couch 8 feet away from the 65' 4k TV I was able to determine which demo was native 4k, and which ones were using FidelityFX accurately. I was looking for compression artifacts in the explosions which is what gave it away for me. Great video and breakdown Steve, and that was a fun way to test the viewer.
In a follow up piece I would like to see Performance normalized benchmarks. Meaning compare the image quality of FSR against the native resolution with the same FPS. Since FSR itself has a frametime cost, it's a little unfair to just compare it to the native res, that it is upscaling from.
I imagine this is how amd got their "looks better sometimes" result.
Marketing wank aside, I was fairly impressed with the FSR quality setting. The performance setting was obvious immediately, but I had to really eye the native vs quality ones to see some excessive sharpening and odd lighting side effects to tell them apart.
It's likely not as good as dlss2.0, but it also doesn't necessarily need to be for many use cases, if I can stretch an older or lower tier gpu for another year or two, or in text/interface heavy games let people play at native res instead of fully post upscaled, with a dash of image quality improvements (vs just scaling) along the way, that's a huge win.
Hopefully with enough popularity, they might continue to develop new opengpu upscalers. I'd love to see a more integrated motion aware version in the future.
Have you played Red Dead Redemption 2 by any chance? I'm running it on a GTX 660 2GB at 720p on a 1080 monitor, all low settings, no anti-aliasing. I can't for the life of me find a jagged edge or weird lighting effect on really thin objects. Wonder if they already use sopmething like this in their game.
@@dewaynethomas3122
Your image has to be upscaled to fit the full panel, this can either be done at source or by the monitor's own image scaler function on it's main PCB. The downside is that it adds latency but on a slow paced game like RDR2 this probably doesn't cause an issue for most people.
@@dewaynethomas3122 Of course you can't, you're playing 720p on 1080p so obviously everything is blurry...
@@dewaynethomas3122 That possibly because of TAA upscale, which is supported on games that have TAA and internal resolution slider (most modern games do). But it's also possible that you don't see jaggedness just because everything is blurry, though it's curious that you don't see many shimmering.
@@sololoquy3783 That's the funny thing. It's not blurry at all. Sharp as shit. If I had the game installed I'd take some screenshots. There is this weird ass shimmering on the back of the horses though at some points in the storyline. Maybe not shimmering, possibly jsut a glitch with the horsy texture.
why did my first thought on CAS was "why does AMD have close air support?"
Same, 😂...pray we never need it!
Nvidia has AAA+CAP? :)
To go brrrt on nvidia
@@roginus fart on them?
@@darktheories1758 no brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt he missed a couple R's
Lossless Scaling which is a neat interger upscaling program on Steam just implemented FSR as an upscaling option. So this means any game with a windowed mode supports FSR now.
The "can look better sometimes, maybe..." thing does apply to games that have the Vaseline implementation of TAA
I had the option to choose b/w viewing this or the Ltt comparison. And I proudly chose this :-)
Easy choice. This one wont be shilled as fuck
Lol
Back to you, Steve!
I like LTT for some easy, interesting content - but for actual information and testing..steve wins and its not even a competition
Anthony did a good job.
Me looking at the fsr clips on a barely over 1080p phone screen: interesting
Ok I got it right. The balanced looked mostly right but for both of them some of the rocks gave it away
My screen is 768p. They all look exactly the same...
I could clearly tell the difference on a 1080p phone screen, but it did get into nitpicky territory where I was obsessively focusing on specific details that would stand out, I don't think I'd notice a major decrease in quality while playing.
1080p setting on a TH-cam video on an iphone and I could tell the difference. I imagine it’ll be even more noticeable on a 75” tv at 4K.
There's no point of games if you can't play them.
That's why if FSR manages to push the low-end to playable framerates it should be the sensible option for most developers, as it improves ofc, it will be a better option than DLSS monopoly to force sell RTX cards
Plus I read that one developer was able to add FSR to their game in about two hours.
Maybe you haven't noticed, but when companies in any industry start innovating at the higher end of the enthusiast market, they tend to lock it down to their products. Especially when second place is SO far behind. Whether that's proprietary hardware connections, trademarks, patents....whatever, they want their product to be the best.
That's all Nvidia has done with DLSS. It gives better performance while also making the image better than native (in quality mode). There is literally no downside other than proprietary hardware...which is 100% understandable as a business decision. Nvidia cards paired with DLSS 2.0 games are so insanely ahead of anything else on the market, that you would be a complete moron not to make sure your company's name isn't directly associated with it.
AMD is doing a good job at the lower end, and will benefit many more people by making more games accessible to their current hardware. That's awesome, but the reason it doesn't deserve comparison to DLSS is because of that. This is a low end enhancement that will give their brand some street credit to the people that need the extra performance, but can't afford any form of upgrade.
DLSS 2.0 is for the enthusiast high end, that allows you to add even more high end features like ray tracing to an already amazing pixel count, without sacrificing any performance. So it just makes the best even better. Enthusiasts like myself do NOT like compromise, and FSR clearly requires the user to make one. DLSS 1 sucked and didn't get used by anyone, so we'll see if FSR even makes the attempt to compete in the "no compromise" arena, but I have a feeling that isn't even the company's vision.
@@T1cksandLeeches mind you, dlss uses dedicated hardware, it physically could not run as well on non rtx hardware.
@@dylanpresidafonseca2545 which shows the intent was never to just be a blanket solution like FSR. I talked about innovation, which encompasses your comment about new dedicated hardware.
@@T1cksandLeeches The tensor cores in the RTX was not put in there for gamers. But since they were there. They wanted to make money from them. So they worked on DLSS. Sure DLSS is better. I'm not say it isn't. But no gaming company that I know of will ever stay in business in making a game to sell to 10% of the market. They want to appeal to as wide of a market as they can. So AMD I feel will win out. Mainly due to the consoles.
Tested ANNO and Riftbreakers myself and was pretty impressed with it really. I have a 6900xt and run at 3440x1440 ultrawide, tried the games at Ultra quality and unless you stop to really look its really hard to notice anything.. main thing is the nice little performance bump you get and all for free :) AMD are on to a winner with this just need to see more games pick it up.
I want this in cod type games where you’re not trying to pick out detail all the time so I can get a 20fps boost for free
Yes please. I get like 125 fps in warzone at native 1440p on a 144hz monitor. I'd gladly play at 1080p with FSR it it means I Mac out 144hz monitor
@@crusherman96 I find 1080p on 27 inch monitor is a bit blurred, so I would hope that FSR would make it look better. I've never actually even tries dlss either, so I have nothing compare to it. But if FSR made 1080p look sharp enough on high settings and boost fps its a win for me. I mean honestly I don't even know if I would tell the difference in frame rates lol
@@crusherman96 That's exactly the point. You CAN lower the resolution to get a better frame rate, but then things look much worse. With FSR/DLSS you get performance similar to using a lower resolution but appearance similar to using a higher resolution. It's another tool you can use to get the best looking game at the frame rate you want.
@@crusherman96 specific details are not important, enabling frs would allow for slightly worse image quality for big performance gain
small psa: in COD warzone DLSS was broken at one point. When using it the cross-hair no longer aligned with the impact point of the bullets. this was worse the higher the dlss quality went(so quality was off by more than balanced, performance was close to in line) It is fixed by now. But when playing competitive games with these smart upscalers. Be sure to check if they work as expected.
My poor RX 570 has officially been put into life support
I have a 560 :(
I have one too lol.I honestly think i will put this generation of GPUS out of my mind and wait for the AMD 7000 and NVIDIA 4000 series.
May I know why?
@@James_Bee brother! Are you a 4gb bro or a 2gb like me?
Rx 500 series and 400 series supports FSR so I do not understand why?
Well I'm glad that it's not a complete fail. This is just the beginning guys... It'll improve in time, and especially that it's an open source, we'll be getting a lot of tweaks and improvement coming from the public support.
Not a complete fail ? I would say its a solid win for a starting point !
FSR just came out and its already better than dlss 1.0, it will probably not reach that level of dlss 2.0 but lets see what happens next
@mat a even adding a sharpening filter back then at low resolution gave better results than dlss 1.0
What's your point? :/
@mat a dlss 1.0 was horrible
@mat a the way you wrote your first comment it looks more like you're saying dlss 1.0 was bad because it was made 3 years earlier. Even if it was made that while ago better technologies were present.
Fps over quality everytime, i prefer at least 60 fps than good graphics, this helps the low end to reach de 60, its a matter of time to be in more games
Preach. Performance is king. No blurriness is 2nd. And actual detail on textures is last. As long as I get the 2 things, then textures can be early 2000s CGI for all I care
then you should run all games in 320x200 256 colors. lol
You can have good graphics too, if you stick with 1080p instead of trying to tackle 4 times the fill rate with 4K. I want more pixels per second, not more pixels per frame.
@@joesterling4299 i already run at 1080p and can't run most games anymore. Doing it with a 960
@@awilliams1701 like in the switch? I hope this comes to consoles as well, i mean old gen(ps4 and xbox one) and switch
11:54
(commenting before the video ends, not something I usually do)
For me, it was clear that the footage in the middle was the "native" one, but couldn't distinguish between the ones on the left and right)
Thanks for the video, GN team!
You guys explained this really well considering how confusing all these new features are.
*Watches 4K comparisons on 1080p display
"Am I doing something wrong here?"
Cries in 768p
If you stream in 4k it'll still offer you a reasonable comparison due to how little will be lost in the TH-cam compression VS 1080 native.
@@optiquest86 Agree!
but the quality matters in this video
@@optiquest86 not only TH-cam compression. 4k games on 1080p monitors do look better, sharper and gives great anti aliasing.
Looks like they did a good job, looks pretty good especially the ultra setting! Hopefully more games support FSR in the future
This will really help lower end systems last longer/consoles
Consoles already had their own upscaling solutions before SFR.
This is going to be FANTASTIC for the PS5 and Xbox.. whatever it's called at the moment. Really good news. I hope this means the Minecraft devs can do 60fps pathtracing now.
@@thomassmith4999 ps5 doesnt have it
@@xruud24 All current AMD GPU's consoles are getting it. They said this months ago.
FSR seems to mostly shine with higher input resolution, and I'm curious to see more in depth reviews of performance/image quality impact on lower resolutions and weaker hardware, where FSR would actually be worth considering
I think those technologies are an interesting alternative to lowering graphics settings. You get odd things in your visuals but it may be better than missing assets or whatever lowering the graphics will do to your game.
'Look at these comparison shots and try to compare them.'
240p viewers: They're the same picture.
Even at 1080p, considering TH-cam's compression.
Where are you from?
Even at 240p you can see the difference of the two, i dont know if you're dumb but yeah you are
DLSS is amazing technology. If I can game without it, I always do, because it is noticeable if ever so slightly. Loving that AMD is continuing to compete by offering FidelityFX as an option. I'd imagine it'll get better over time for sure. Looking forward to it.
The Performance Vs. Pixels is such a cool way to see the data.
The only hardware channel I trust on TH-cam anymore.
Hardware Unboxed is trustworthy too. Strangely enough they always find the same things and comes to roughly the same conclusions as GN....
@@andersjjensen nah not really, just look at both of their videos about dual *rank* memory when zen3 launched, also aus steve was the one who found about nvidia driver overhead problems after doing thousands of independant benchmarks
@@andersjjensen they're holding a bag for amd for 3 years+.
Go back on their page and try find a single title where they don't suck amd off.
@@arkdesign9517 "The 6900XT is stupid and pointless", "The Ryzen 3000 XT refresh is nothing but a marketing stunt and a money grab to reset MSRPs for next generation", "That AMD has not released non-X variants of Ryzen 5000 have put themselves in the situation where the 10400/11400 and 10600/10600 are now much better value".... you mean that kind of sucking off?
@@andersjjensen exactly, even in those ones they're sucking amd willie. Go on, play the video, compare how a normal person slates a product and how a shill does it. Anyway, i ccl what you or others watch, just saying they're holding a bag for amd.
I've tested FSR with both Anno and Riftbreaker. It's honestly pretty brilliant! In 4K When Ultra Quality mode is used, it's almost impossible to tell the difference. An added bonus is that I tested this on my Nvidia card haha!
Just for reference: i tried Riftbreaker running on my Intel HD 630 (i3 7300) it turns from unplayable 12 FPS to 28 FPS in performance mode.
So FSR works on an Intel HD 630 like a charm - even it is not nearly on the supported GPU list.
Terminator Resistance was actually a decent game, and that rarely happens when licenses of that caliber get handed out to game devs. Just look at the crap Square Enix is pushing out with the Marvel's Avengers license. Also loved how you managed to roast a state that get's burnt yearly.
On a serious side note, I'm really looking forward to see this technology arrive in the mainstream. Like you said, it needs to get on the big titles, even if that means it may look weak against DLSS 2.0, though in my opinion, avoiding the comparison does it no favour in that regard.
I got the three settings in comparison right, though I had to pause and replay some parts a couple times to be really sure.
Actually, Square Enix’s Avengers game isn’t doing as crap as you might think it is.
GTX cards: my time has come
AMD: not yet
My gtx960: aight rip me
AMD: yes, rip indeed
should've been
AMD: And so have I
@@kas-lw7xz It should work on it
@@clickbait9744 i heard it doesn't, gonna take a look again
@@kas-lw7xz I heard AMD fsr doesn't work on gtx 900 series.
The amd key note did not mention it.
Yet at 1:21 this video says AMD fsr supports gtx 900 series.
I have a gtx 970.
Great that AMD is willing to provide settings that provide very material performance gains at the sacrifice of quality. Helpful to people that need it and can be ignored by those that don't. Pro consumer choice from AMD in a way.
I got the guess perfectly correct. It's easy once you notice 1.) FSR makes things darker. Native is a lot lighter and brighter, yet still has darker shadows with more depth. And 2.) The fine detail on rocks. Native is crispy, performance is blurry, balanced is grainy and leaves rectangles on curves. I really wish it was better lol
This will be a game changer for consoles, especially since when you're sitting at a TV you're not 6 inches from the screen typically. Just like freesync, I think this will take off and be widely used. I wouldn't be too surprised this technology is going to be used for the 4k upscaling on the Nintendo Switch.
You should because N Switch console use Nvidia harware.
@@juan1julian The Tegra chip in the Switch does not support DLSS so FFR will work as it is a purely a software solution any dev can integrate.
@@PortfolioPL he is talking about the rumored Switch PRO
@@funbrute31 That is just rumours. The Switch can support AMD's solution right now. More precisely the developers can integrate it.
Necromunda Hired Gun is a DLSS game, it's part of the second wave.
"Better than native" is such BS, no matter who says it, but as Steve says it's basically just a subjective "I prefer an oversharpened image".
Some people prefer it like that. I rather want an oversharpened image compared to a blurry image too.
In the case the image looks sharp, it still won't make it better than native, especially considering how FSR works.
"Better than Native" with a caveat, that is Native without AA and FSR with AA
I thought the same. Why amd said better than native. Then I remembered once my brother who never games loved sharpened 1080 with medium quality more than native 1080 with high quality. You will be shocked by my people will prefer sharpened look more than the native one. That's why tv manufacture implement sharpness option. I always reduce it to 0 but I increase it to 25 once my family is watching. Its just people prefer sharpened look because they don't know what make a game visually appealing.
@@scaryonline they said "better then native" BS because Nvidea is also saying it
the disgusting framerate of the 4k native was the only thing that gave it away in the unlabeled comparison shot
Get some glasses, FSR Performance was a blurry mess and Balanced looked blurrier than Native.
@@KeksdoseHi8 use quality
only? I could easily see a sharpness difference... I got each one right and that was without pausing the video
@@RainboomDash Well then I'm happy my eyes are shit, cuz I thought the performance one was native.
Why are people so blind?
I keep reading people saying it looks the same or even better with DLSS / FSR 🤣🤣
Tbh 4k upscaling from 1080p looks very good, nice high fps, and i like that this could enable people with rx480 ish cards to play 4k with good framecounts. A little loss in fine details is neglectable imo..
Great video guys! From all the tech-channels, this was the most objective i think. Good comparison, not too much zooming etc.
Harsh on Terminator: Resistance, it's actually a really fun game. I think it wasn't marketed well, or at all. I know it existed until I stumbled across it on Steam.
One of the best Terminator games ever. Also I tried this super-duper fx on it yesterday and got 20% more FPS on a 2070 in ultra FSR setting for minimal image quality loss. Total win in my book.
Terminator: Resistance is an actual good game. Too bad that modern media makes all people play the same standard game series all the time.
it was good imo for a story game the sound effect were so good imo
@Picasso Pablo Yes, although I wouldn't go as far as to assume them all being bought (if this is what you meant). For sure some are bought, but for the most I think it's a general problem of internet media relying on hype trains, as this generally catches most attention with the least effort. And opposed to earlier times (like the 80's and 90's game magazines), the internet actually centralizes this behaviour IMHO, because where we once had thousands of 'little opinion islands' , there now always is one currently common most popular denominator about any topic, especially on TH-cam with it's own popularity related algorithms. So the change from the reviewer's dependency on ads (from many diverse companies..) to a new dependency on only views seemingly achieved the opposite of what we would have expected: Fewer and more similar opinions = less diversity. :(
Actually for games it can be good to check the smaller channels which many of remain small, just because they don't like flowing with the stream.
@Picasso Pablo Yeah, Jayztowcents became suspect to me, when about half a year, ago, he started that completely unjustified 'Hey! Graphics cards are now cheap again!" stuff .. ;)
It's so bad critics shits on it. But actually it's a game for fans and it does a fantastic job with that. Devs truly cared about fans with that game. Much better than the latest movies.
@ It has seen some good ratings here (75%+)
Can't wait to see this implemented on Dota 2 and other competitive games where graphics don't matter as much and frames do much, much more.
Months later FSR is in Cyberpunk, and it's really nice. Perhaps other optimizations also improved frames in areas, but I went from around mid-40fps at medium settings to 60-70fps medium settings with FSR Quality and a rx480, at a more than tolerable trade-off of image quality. Huge upgrade from CAS. At Ultra Quality, I get 10-20 more fps with no perceivable loss of image quality. Made me a believer for sure.
7:16 that Tie scene add was perfect!
I tested this in Terminator: Resistance. Even in performance mode i can't even tell the difference. My eyes must be broken.
Its because its in motion, nobody can tell the difference that way.
@@mamawauit dsp how good it is and screenresolution it goes from easy to tell to hard
This actually looks pretty promising, even moreso than the initial reveal. I hope AMD can get some more implementation into games. I want to try it out, but I don't have the games that currently support it. I'm also a bit worried because I heard that Nvidia is trying to prevent game developers from adopting FSR.
Well, Unreal engine 4 already got dlss, Unreal engine 5 is getting dlss 2.2 support, Unit is going to get it, same for latest id software engine and many others. But developers can still support fsr too if they want.
@@andreabriganti8621 well developers making games for consoles will have to use fsr
@@danielredziniak2996 well that's for sure, since dlss work only trough nvidia tensor cores.
11:55 FSR balanced turned out to be my preferred one, middle was definitely native
That sample was nearly impossible to distinguish in such conditions. I had to look for a flaw. Noticed the Native quality, and with really heavy look over saw the performance and then the balanced. It's an amazing work at what they achieved so far for all of us.
Excellent coverage as always Steve. I think it's brilliant AMD are trying to keep old GPUs still relevant, even across manufacturers.
I guessed them correctly fairly easily. I immediately noticed the left one looked blurry on the rocks compared to the others so I assumed right away it was performance fsr. Right side textures looked slightly less "crisp" to me than center so I guessed balanced on the right and native in the center.
The big giveaway in addition to this was the overall smoothness... definitely saw some frame drops in there as well.
I was one of those 20 playing Terminator.
All this is great, now we just need some people to stop calling these upscaling techniques “Native Resolution” like I’ve seen in some comment threads. As impressive as the technologies are, calling them native resolution is like comparing a whole small pizza to a slice of extra large pizza. Yes, you might be getting a similar fill of pizza, but the extra large slice is still a slice. It’s not a whole pizza like the small is. Likewise, as impressive FSR and DLSS are at resolving an image to a higher screen resolution, you’re not getting a native image, so people need to stop calling it native.
It gets worse when people say that DLSS looks better than native resolution. I've seen that multiple times and it's such a dumb statement. Even consoles have been using multiple forms of upscaling for years and, while they look pretty good, native res will always look better.
@@rodryguezzz ya dlss is great, but it is very obviously not better than native.
Should be "target resolution," "output resolution" or something similar.
@@rodryguezzz @Forrest Edgar - dlss can look better than native - maybe not in general, but it is finally a good solution to the temporal aliasing issue - if someone finds that very annoying (it's awful when it happens) then that could be enough to tip the scales in its favour on the image quality slider.
@@rodryguezzz dlss can look better than native though.......
Got it right, but it was difficult to decide between 4k native and Balanced! Good job AMD!
Big thumbs up for exploring this on iGPU/APU.