I would guess that the motor on the second saw is 220V, or it's wired incorrectly. Maybe the previous owner didn't have 220V and he wired it for 110V? A 14" blade seems like a lot to ask of for 110V. The slow start could also point to a bad start capacitor.
bad stating cap or the centrifugal switch that energizes the second windings once up to speed. The switches get sawdust and crap in them because the motor cant be sealed due to heat.
I’d blow out the motor and spray it with some contact cleaner first. That should give you an idea if you are on the right track. From there, I’d consider finding a local company to check the windings and do a rebuild. New brushes and contacts, etc.
@@nickademuss42 Oh yeah, good point. If it's full of crud that switch won't engage or move very well. I had my old 70's craftsman table saw motor stop spinning up at all, I thought I had killed the motor. I took it apart and didn't see anything I immediately could recognized as wrong, so just cleaned it and put it back together. Everything has been working fine with it since then.
@John Malecki - check your motor wiring. I have the same Rockwell radial arm saw, and it won't stall and it's a 220 volt. A 220 volt motor will run on 110 volts but will have no power.
I believe you're 100% correct. It's a synchronous induction motor. All things being good, it will always eventually reach the correct speed because the operating RPMs are a function of the number of motor windings and the frequency (60hz) of the power source, regardless of the supplied voltage (assuming there's enough voltage to push enough current to provide enough power to get it turning at all). What's missing is enough voltage and consequently enough power to keep it running under load.
Yeah, this runs like the saw I mis-wired for 220 when it's on a 110v circuit. The capacitor could be very weak too, not enough to be useless, but not giving it much capacitance to work with...that shouldn't leave it so weak, but it might be the cause of the super-slow start-up. Or the motor could have a serious issue, I mean, that's possible too, but I would test BOTH the 110 and 220v wiring options on the motor and see how each setting behaves on its expected voltage. The really fun ones are where the included diagram is on the cap and not the motor, but then someone uses a cap from another motor, but that only happened to me once. Anyway, definitely verify its voltage settings, and maybe swap out the capacitor.
As a tip- from experience, you really want to make sure you get a blade with a very small or even negative hook angle. Too many of the 2nd hand RAS's you pick up will have a replacement blade fitted, and the former owner just picked the blade from the offerings at the local home depot, not realizing that those blades were made for either table saws or miter saws. The agressive hook angles make the blades want to walk, and will also contribute to making rip cuts more likely to go balistic. On the subject of rip cuts, my only concern/difficulty with rips has been that mine doesn't have a riving knife (at least it has an anti-kickback pawl though) But I've ripped countless boards over the decade or so that I've had it. And as others have said, that Dewalt is probably intended to be (or at least capable of being) wired for 220V.
Radials are far safer ripping than any table saw. The reason is that with the radial you are NOT standing in the line of fire. You are feeding the stock from the front of the saw and it can only kick the wood to the left or right. And radials can NOT kick back in cross cutting. They can’t pull wood (or your hand.) onto the edge of the blade because the edge of the blade is sunk into the able top. They are 10 times safer than any table saw. Assuming you have it set up right and are smart enough to notice that the blade will follow the visible slot in the table.
As far as a riving knife, The anti-kickback pawls, if properly set, should prevent any kickback in a thru cut rip. You set the blade guard so the leading edge of the guard is barely higher than the stock you’re cutting, so the blade can not lift the stock off the table at the start of the cut… and at the tail of the cut the blade is actually pushing the wood down, but because the edge of the blade, even when ripping, is embedded in the table, the radial literally can not pull the wood up onto the edge of the blade, which is part of what makes table saws so dangerous. ( tables saws are LIFTING the board off the table at the tail ends of their cut, and can pull a board over the top of the teeth and really launch it, or even pull your hand onto the edge of the blade. Radials can’t do that. ) What I see more often is that if the kerf closes, or a thick piece of stock starts to twist or bend as I am ripping, it will bind on the blade and cause the motor klixon to pop- shutting the saw down for a minute or two until you can reset the motor after it cools. Mine is running thru a sophisticated digital phase converter and it’s my phase converter that will shut power to the motor if it starts becoming overloaded. Takes like 5 minutes to reset. As a result, If I am ripping something long or thick, I will just keep a small wooden or plastic wedge handy and as I pull the stock thru, I just shove the wedge gently in the kerf to keep it spread so it can’t bind on the blade. You can also buy a set of Board Buddies- which are these spring loaded rubber wheels that mount to the fence on either side of the saw carriage and only turn in one direction. They are set to pull the board against the fence, and prevent even a fully cut off rip from getting launched between the fence and blade back out the feed side. They come in two kinds, Clockwise, and counter clockwise, depending on whether you are In Ripping or Out Ripping.
@@revgeorge1977 Folks are overly confident in riving knives. They are strictly for when you are not thru cutting a board, or otherwise can’t have the over the top blade guard/riving knife combo on a table saw. They reduce the chance of a kickback, but do not eliminate it. And they do not prevent the board from being lifted and pulled onto the top of the blade, along with your hand. If you are thru ripping on the Radial, the edge of the blade is embedded in the table kerf. The board cannot get onto the edge of the blade and so cannot be pulled into the blade. The only time I have ever seen a radial kick while ripping is when some doofus tries feeding the board the wrong direction… or when they are making the mistake of ‘ripping’ short lengths where the cut is not longer than the engaged surface of the blade. ( such that the cut offs can get jammed between the blade disc and fence- for short cuts ignore grain direction, you cross cut them all on the radial ) However, some later made radial saws did have anti-kickback pawl arms that had a center spline that served as a riving knife… but for the most part they were rather limited in terms of depth the riving knife would reach- not much use on 2” deep stock. But those same later era radials tended to have lighter weight arms and columns that have too much flex in them and are what contributed to folks mistaken notions about radials safety. I find a simple wedge works great, like those plastic applicators you buy with a can of bondo, and even then, I only use them if it looks like the kerf is closing as I cut. Because of where you stand while ripping on a radial, it’s not like a table saw where you would have to reach over the top of the blade, across the wide table to insert a wedge.
If people spend the money (I know $40 is a fortune) for a new Diablo blade, they don't climb. You can't feel anything, they cut so effortlessly with the modern laser sharpened carbide, that you don't get any burning, climbing, or anything. You can really just slam the most aggressive Diablo blade on the radial arm saw, and it won't climb. If you're using a 1990's blade (I think many people are) then of course it's going to cut AWFUL and it's going to burn the wood, it's going to bog down the motor and it will probably launch a carbide at you too. I put the 24 tooth Diablo Ripping blade on my 9" radial arm saw, and it cuts effortlessly smooth, even on plywood crosscuts, it doesn't surge or try to climb, and there is very little to no tear out. The moden blades have "anti kickback" rakers on them, to prevent the blade catching and climbing--the 1990's hardware store carbide blades found on most older radial arm saws at yardsales, do not have. Get a modern blade with the anti-kickback raker teeth (also called shoulder teeth). You can look up any Diablo ripping blade or "general purpose" 40 tooth blade, and all of them have the anti-kickback teeth in between the cutting teeth. These are essential, because they prevent the saw from trying to feed too fast. Don't buy a $200 Forrest blade, because they do not cut better, and they do not have the proper anti-kickback teeth on them.
My old shop teacher on the first day of class would setup a radial saw to rip and shoot a 2x4 across the shop as a safety demo. I got a Craftsman as a floor demo, for cheap and have been using it every which way it can go for the last 40 years. I love it.
Same here, but understanding a bit about how saws can grab anything in reach keeps you sharp while using it. A lot of woodworking journals in the sixties and seventies pointed out the potential dangers and why they occur, and I took the time to digest this. Still have a full complement of fingers and thumbs
I remember my papa tanning my hide for shooting a 2x4 across the garage with the radial arm saw when he wasn't there.... That must have been 20 years ago, and I still fear the radial arm saw.
I was 7 or 8 yrs old, and my dad taught me to make a side table on a radial arm saw LOL. First, he made me make my own step stool to REACH said radial arm saw 😂😂. My dad was a master builder and taught me how to swing a hammer, how to strip electrical wire, how to flush screw by hand, vs. using a drill, etc. All the basics at like 7 or 8. Then we added a 30x20 ish addition to the house I grew up in, and he had me hammering studs 16 in on center by hand. Taught me the difference between square, flush, and plumb. Man, this brought me back, John. Thank you. ♥️
as a shop owner that has runs a 16" blade 30" cross cut radial, regularly I would suggest do not oil your rails and bearings use dry silicone or dry graphite. As the sawdust is airborne and with oil on the rail it sticks together making a pellet paste substance ( clean it with a white scotch bright pad or something similar in grit) that impedes the rolling of the head and also a tip for older machines if the rails are worn out. disassemble the top flip the rails. now you have a brand new rolling surface for the bearings to travel along and toss in a new set of bearings while your at it. it will act like a brand new machine.
The only time I've hurt myself on my table saw was when it was powered off. I dragged my arm across the blade. I recently gave my RAS away. I hadn't used it in almost 30 years. Too dangerous.
@@kwilliams2239 in the old days 1950s-60s there was no dynamic brakes on most saws I remember going to the lumber yards for scraps and remember the whine of the RAS as they powered down
You should hook the big saw up to a 24V motor so you can lift/lower it with a switch. I recently did this with my drill press and it's AWESOME. A simple 24V motor and a shaft coupler is all it takes.
I've been using radial arm saws for well over 65 years with no mishaps. My current one is a 30 year old Craftsman, and it has full maneuverability with mitres, etc.
I remember waking up from having my gallbladder removed to a Woodwork Teacher in the bed opposite me with a serious bandage on his hand. Apparently, he sliced his thumb clean off using a radial arm saw. My favourite quote I overheard from him was: "It was going to happen one day but why was it in front of *THAT* class." Teachers know what he means ...
This happened in my middle school back in the 90s lol. I wasn't in the class but I heard about it. Pretty sure it was on a radial arm saw as well. Might have been on a table saw.
I just bought a used Craftsman Radial Arm saw. I had one in the eighties and I was a little afraid of it. Long story short I moved and I did not take it with me (space was an issue). This was the best video I have found and your care about how dangerous it is was refreshing. I bought mine purely for Dados. But after watching your video I am more open to doing so much more with it. Now I am pretty excited about it. Great Video.
I own a Craftsman 10" Radial Arm. Love that saw for crosscuts and dado. It also works great for ripping plywood sheets. Like any other tool, it's only as safe as the operator.
Schools still have shop class. I'm a teacher, we have a full out construction class as well as wood working classes. They learn to use tools. We also have a full auto maintenance program. I teach physics and a big part of my physical science curriculum is engineering and revision, in other words: build, test, make better. Easy now when you're attacking teachers, some of us are still trying to build self sufficient adults.
My local high school has a fully decked wood shop too. They offer woods as a bundle course to introduce multiple courses. The kids can then select one to go further if they choose.
In my country this type off classes never exist so for me when a saw in the tv show this type of classes feel strange. I very glad that my father teach me to do the repair in the house and use the basic tools(hammer,sircular saw,grinder,etc) because in this time know how to use a hammer is a forgoten skill 😅😅 (Sorry any grammar mistake english is no my native lenguage)
Either motor is worn out or you're either missing a start or run capacitor or both. The spin down issue suggests the centrifugal switch for the capacitor circuit was removed or disabled, but then I'm only experienced on equipment from late 60s to early teens.
You are of a dwindling society, my high school stopped teaching woodworking in 1988. Now in Oz, convos with mates say they ended here in 1990s. Now a technical school course after high school called TAFE.
my dad had one was I was but a wee laddeh so I watched to see how crazy that shit was back in the day and what he was dealing with. Kinda freaks me out to be honest lol. Had a Sears Crafstman
I've had a RAS in my shop for 40 years - cheap and useful. My current one is a 10" Dewalt that matches your Delta. Mine floats through wood flawlessly because I only use it for 90 degree crosscuts and I only use a blade with a negative rake (Freud 60T sliding Miter with -5 degree rake, LU91R010 works great!) These are very complicated saws to set up because all the parts and the table adjust in relationship to each other and it takes me the better part of an afternoon (and a few TH-cam videos) to get the table, fence, arm and arbor on mine in proper alignment. Set it up and then leave it. The reason they fell from grace is that as soon as you start rotating the head or the arm to do all those crazy cuts, it never returns to alignment suitable for cabinetry tolerances thus only being useful for "half lap real estate signs". If I need to make a miter cut, I pop out the fence rail and replace it with one having a 45 degree triangle of plywood attached and cut without moving the arm. Also, make sure the saw is shimmed in the front to tilt slightly backward. The motor head will float on a well adjusted saw and you don't want it sliding down the arm into a piece of wood toward you while you are setting up a cut. Good luck!
You must not have set it up right. I run a 1953 DeWalt 14” radial. It took me about 3 hours to get it set up and dialed in. That basically meant leveling the entire saw stand with leveling feet so that the underside of the arm was dead level both across the ways and down the underside of the arm. And then leveling the table. ( a level arm trams to a table that is level ) And then adjusting the 3 axies of the carriage to get the blade dead plumb and square to the fence. Key to this set up was shifting the saw from 90 to 45 degree cuts and then back again, to make sure the stop levers were tight enough to always return the saw to dead accurate 90. Making sure there is no slop on either side of the alignment locking pawls is critical. But I can say that my friend’s $800 Bosch multilink miter saw can’t even come anywhere near the repeatable accuracy of the DeWalt. I would advise against getting any of the Black and Decker era, lighter weight radials. The 1950’s DeWalts massive cast iron arms will prevent the saw blade from climbing out of any cut. If you are having this problem then your arm and or column have too much play in them to be rigid and this might explain your problem with repeated accuracy. Do NOT set your saw to tilt backwards. You want the arm and table to be dead level, to simplify set up and ensure accuracy. A negative hook blade should help reduce the ‘feel’ of the saw pulling itself thru the wood- but this is largely just a matter of folks thinking they have to pull the saw thru the wood, rather than realizing they are actually Braking the saw with their hand, more than pulling it… Its a little unnerving at first, but once you get used to it, its not unsafe, because the saw can’t do anything but follow the arm, anyway. Rather than that, if you want the carriage to tend to return on its own, then simply install a spring wound return reel on the arm that will use a coiled spring and cable to pull the carriage back when you let it go. A return reel will also counteract the tendency of the saw to pull itself thru the stock as well. You can buy return reels from The Original Saw Co. website.
If you want to go full 70s/80s, you need to run a wobble-dado on that thing. When dad would start up his Craftsman with that thing on it, the house would vibrate.
I inherited by fathers wood shop recently and when I came across the wobble dado I felt like a vet with PTSD. Full fade out to the whole shop shaking and the loudest screaching noise accompanied by the blade spinning. It didn't help that it took what felt like forever to stop spinning lol.... Good times...
@@mlambert5722 True....LOL. Sadly, my father just passed and I'll be travelling to the great state of Maine to go through his enormous wood shop. While I can't justify shipping any of the machinery, I'd love to come across that damn wobbler and just frame it for my shop. HA! I'd love to see what TSA would do seeing that in my luggage.
I love my radial arm saw! I got an old one from the early 70s and it's rock solid. Mine is set up for non through cuts. Really only dado cuts and super long pieces. Yes, I do have a nice miter saw right beside it, but this saw never leaves 90 so I know it's precise. A good negative rake blade is a must, and don't pay attention to the nice man in a tie pretending to do dangerous cuts with the saw in the manual! That cut with the big saw, you can see that if it didn't bog down, it was starting to climb the wood. 240 definitely gives more grunt with my saw. I highly recommend it :)
I worked at a metal sign shop and they have a 14 inch radial arm saw that ran on at least 220 volt. It sat outside under a shed with a long 25 foot table to cut single and double face extruded aluminum frames. It cut 90 degrees and 45 degree cuts. You had to set the 45 with a speed square. The table was mostly square. The blade took easily 2 minutes to stop. The blade would shoot shorter off cuts. This saw would rip your face off just because you flipped the power switch to the on position. I owned a dual voltage Craftsman 12 inch radial arm saw that was 90 percent rock solid. I fought the arm deflection constantly. I finally got rid of it when I inherited my dad's 10 inch dual voltage Delta contractor table saw. You talked about the blade feeling like it was pushing through the wood. The one they own has easily 5 x more push. I had to use a wide stance a brace myself to make a cut. I had to wear gloves because I was cutting aluminum and it went everywhere. The 45 degree cut always left the bevel edge cupped a 16th of an inch. So on a goof day the welder only had to fill in an 1/8th of inch on the joint. I'm surprised that your 14 inch radial arm saw only runs 110 volt. Hopefully you can find a way to run it 220 volt
I have a Black & Decker Dewalt 10" radial arm saw that I've had for 40 years. I do mainly cross-cutting but I have done many rip cuts, including to the center of 2 x 4 ft. sheets of plywood and particle board with no problem. The saw has a blade guard with a spring steel clip on the front edge which is set right down on the wood to be ripped. On the back of the guard is a bar with steel fingers that drag against the wood to prevent kickback. In all my years of using this saw I have never been injured.
There are specific types of blades that work best on radial arm saws: Carbide Tipped Saw Blades for Radial Arm Saws Intended for radial arm and other types of saws where the blade is above the workpiece, the Amana Tool® Radial Arm Saw Blade (-2°) hook angle reduces the tendency of the blade grabbing the material and is recommended for combination rip & crosscuts.
I bought my first radialarm saw in 1980. It was an old Montgomery Ward. I picked it up at a yard sale on my lunch break.i was doing some remodeling and siding jobs by myself. It came with many attachments. I did tonge and groove and a few other moldings. It later became dedicated siding saw in a 16' trailer. It was still working when I sold it. I have always had a radial saw ever since.
This video was so much better paced than the last couple build videos. I watch these kinds of videos to relax and space out, the crazy fast paced videos give me anxiety (IA console ). TIn this video John seems much more relaxed and the shop seems to have a positive atmosphere. Keep it up!
For the motor - check the wiring. Old machinery usually runs on 3 phases (as far as I know 380V), however, the 3-phase brushless motor can run on a single fase 220V, just very poorly. It might be the case here (assuming that you are running it right now on a single phase)
The thing with 3-phase is that it doesn't use a starter coil or capacitor; the 3-phase gives, in effect, a rotating current, which, basically, is also why you can reverse the direction of spin by switching any two wires. You can use an electrolytic "start" capacitor to fake the third phase to start a 3-phase motor and a smaller (regular) "run" capacitor to keep it going. When it gets up to speed, you cut the start cap out of the circuit, and let the run capacitor* take over. (In fact, I think you can do without the run capacitor, with about 30% power loss.) It's really pretty simple, though I've forgotten the exact details, but you can find them all over the web. Look for "Homemade Phase Converters". I have a 20 HP lathe in my basement running off single-phase 220 VAC, a big bank of cap.s I got out of junk air conditioners, and wired up to a 10 HP 3-phase motor to generate the third leg. The combo gives me 3-phase, but I have to give the 10 HP motor a little kick to get it started spinning before I power it up. Details for this are online as well. *(Electrolytic cap.s will overheat and fry if exposed to too much current for long, but they pack a lot more power into a small size than run cap.s And they make a cool whistling sound when they blow!) 🙄
@@briandantz4899no it’s a 14” GR probably 55, they were all 240 single phase , or 3 phase. Being a 14”, most likely 3 phase as it was industrial quality tool. It most definitely was not 120
I loved using the radial arm saw in home economics. I cut the fabric for a gym bag, sliced vegetables and mixed batter with it. Great tool for the kitchen!
As a safety thing, make sure the carriage takes about 5# pressure to move the saw. This will reduce the likelihood of it moving on its own (before you start it, of course). This is done by adjusting the tension on the carriage bearings. The blade spinning can be reduced greatly by replacing the bearings on the arbor. Mine went from 30s to 6s spin-down with new bearings.
Growing up my dad and i did a lot of wood working. We used a radial arm saw a lot. He always told me that the most dangerous thing about it was if it walks on you and you dont keep control of it. Between the 2 of us we still have our 10 fingers. I believe a lot of the safty of a radil arm saw is using the thing that sits between your ears.
That's exactly right, if you use your head and don't do anything stupid while using RAS, such as have your hand anywhere near the blade or it's path, not standing in the the right position to use the RAS a little to side preferably, improper holding/clamping of the piece to be cut, regularly clean the gunk off of your blade to keep it sharp and replace if necessary (chipped teeth), I would also say it is much safer to crosscut with than rip a piece length-wise, any ripping should be saved for the table saw, although IMO the table saw is probably the most dangerous saw at least based on my own experiences, especially if you get a 4x8 sheet of 3/4" plywood in a bind and it kicks back and slams you into a wall, I've also seen a coworker push a sheet of plywood through one and it shot a splinter about 3/8" thick and 1" long through his knuckle, he had to pull it out with needle nose pliers, if it had hit him in neck it could've severed an artery and he would have bled to death before we could get to a ER, as our shop was way out in the country
@@poolcrusher90 I have seen a man lay out and build a set of cabinets with only a router. Things are endless if you get creative and aren't afraid to get a little squirrely.
The biggest difference between this RAS and a sliding compound saw is that many people start the compound saw all the way out to do a scoring cut, then push through the wood in a descending cut. This doesn't allow the blade to draw itself faster into the wood. For whatever reason, people don't do this on a RAS. There is this mindset that you must pull the saw towards you in a climbing cut. It's just so easy for the saw to draw itself into the wood and get out of control. You can even see in one of your clips from another woodworker, he starts his cut with the motor fully extended, then extends his arm to push through the wood. It's what the label on the front says to do.
A little history on DeWalt and the radial arm saw: Invented by Raymond DeWalt in 1922 in Leola, PA. He sold the DeWalt Company to AMF (the company that made bowling pin setters and atomic reactors, and owned Harley for a short time) in 1949. DeWalt was eventually bought by Black and Decker in 1960 and continued to make radial arm saws under the DeWalt name until 1990.
Cool tool! My dad had one and it was great for all kinds of projects. Just need to remember the softest thing in the shop is you. Can you put a stepper motor on the "Z" axis and an LED display/controller in the front to give you fine tune adjustments for height? (so you don't need access to the back) Maybe use a stopper block (random wood laying around to cut after you turn it off) and use it like brakes for the blade after you turn it off? It might dull the blade a bit if you're shoving it, but it wouldn't take 90 seconds to stop
Love to see this tool highlighted, very cool John. For anyone curious to get back to "where it all began" and learn from a master - look for the name Mr. Sawdust. Proud to say he was my grandfather, he brought the original DeWalt to market back in the 1950s, and literally "wrote the book" on it decades later - you'll see it referred to simply as "the book" or "the Bible" in RAS circles. :) Here's a video of him doing a live demonstration a while back - th-cam.com/video/gwnfDCgaof4/w-d-xo.html - he was a real showman, and the RAS was like an extension of his own body, the way he used it.
Very cool to hear from Mr. Kunkel's family. Happy to say that I built his table for my inherited RAS and its a great asset in my shop. I dont have the beautiful cast version so I use it mostly as a crosscut tool. But it can cut boards over 14" wide which is wonderful. Thanks for commenting.
From Mr Sawdust’s musings you will find that Mr. Dewalt invented the saw in the twenties. The 50’s was the heyday of the quality RAS. Dewalt was sold AMF and they sold to Black and Decker in the early 60’s and the race to the bottom for RAS’s started soon after. You can still buy a copy of the quality 50’s era Dewalt saws from The Original Saw company, but that will cost you closer to $5k. starting!
I grew up in the 80's using my grandfather's late 1950's radial arm saw, I was 12 the first time I used it. I was taught how to use it, I was always carful and I was never injured. I used dato blades and old saw blades that came with it that my dad would sharpen. It was a great saw!
So not very safe at all? Let's be real, even doing everything right, its a roll of the dice every time. Some of us will get lucky and keep our fingers intact, others not so much.
I have used an old Crapsmam RAS in my shop for over 30 years. I use it only for crosscut and multi pull dados. Has worked fine. I have a miter saw for angle cuts. It has a cast iron beam and it is quite tite for the adjustments.
The insane versatility and “jet-like” sound of a well tuned RAS is what initially drew me to woodworking. I have 3 RAS’s and use each one for different functions. It’s mind boggling that 90% (no, that’s NOT an actual statistic u hacks!) of the old Dewalts made in the 50/60’s still run and perform. Welcome to the club brotha, happy to have a sick-eff like you spinning one of these gems! 👊🏼
OH MY GOD. I operated one of these in my teens for my uncles woodshop. Massive 24in? blade. Cutting all the moulding to rough size, and getting rid of offcuts. - They are fascinating to operate as you experienced. So glad to see this video and bring back memories! The blade still spinning while we were eating lunch, and still spinning when we got back was always hilarious.
Since '93, the radial arm saw has been a constant in my high school shop classroom. Despite my shift to special ed in the last seven years, it still serves its purpose, even if I'm not its main operator anymore. My students may prefer crafting birdhouses, but the saw still gets the job done, mostly for rough cuts. It's in good hands with the current teacher and students, and who knows, maybe one day it'll be a vintage relic celebrated for its durability. PS I came upon an old 1971 Dewalt radial arm all-cast iron for free about a year ago. An old woodworker passed away and the family gave it to me.
Picked up a Sears saw from the curb about 6 months ago, had no clue what it was, know I know! I had no idea it tilted, just that it swung. Was planning on fixing it up, bunch of rust, still need to find out if the motor even works lol dang thing feels 50 #s If not more. Had the base, no legs. Proud of my find! Thanks for the educational vid!
I have one of the old Craftsman models that everyone's dad had. It's wired for 240V and runs super smooth. The most important thing to do is put a negative hook angle blade on it to reduce the tendency to run towards you. I also made a sheet metal back wall with a 4" dust port as well as a smaller line to the port on the blade guard for dust control. I nicknamed mine "The Amputator" to remind me to treat it with the proper care & respect when using it, because it will cut any body part off without slowing down.
My 1959 DeWalt 9" has the label on the motor. Mine is 120/240 volts. You said the label was missing from that motor. It's possible that yours is wired for 240 volts, since the control system was obviously wall-mounted (hence the direct connection to the twist-lock plug). Open the connection box on the motor and see if it has the windings connected in series (high voltage) or parallel (low voltage). Also, mine is a capacitor-start motor. If yours has a capacitor hidden inside the motor housing, get it tested. It may need replacing. The slow start-up rate and lack of power tell me that it isn't an undersized motor, just one that isn't developing its rated power.
Great RAS. I have a DeWalt 14” Model GA. It is a 220V single phase that I rebuilt and shared on TH-cam. I’m guessing yours is also and wired to run on 110V (which is less than ideal). I’m also thinking your motor bearings are shot that is why your saw takes forever to stop.
There are 3 main power tools that give me anxiety, the table saw, routers and electric hand planers. I feel pretty confident when using my planner but still every time before using it in my head im seeing all the horrible things that blade can do lol. I use my more powerful routers as little as possible. But a table saw I still just can't bring myself to own. I don't trust myself, it just takes a split second of lack of concentration and a hand is sucked in, or being stupid and let it fling something. The other tools I can power stance and have everything secured down.
You definitely need to get a copy of How to Master the Radial Arm Saw by Mr. Sawdust (Wally Kunkel). He was my grandfather and is pretty much synonymous with the DeWalt radial arm saw, and was a lot of the reason the machine became as popular as it was. The book has a lot of details around how to set it up, including a much more effective table and fence system than what you have set up. There will definitely be instructions on how to do things that there are FAR safer methods to do now. I don't find the machine to be inherently dangerous, but you definitely can get yourself in trouble if you don't understand what you are doing, or try to be overly "creative" with it.
For most of my childhood, all my Dad had for a stationary power saw was a radial arm saw. We used it for everything, ripping, with the wood behind the blade, cross cutting, rabbets, dados with a stacked dado head, tapered legs with a jig. We even had a chuck for doing horizontal drilling- used for dowel joints all the time. Our results were pretty good and we all maintained our fingers and arms. I still have Dad's saw- a super-heavy cast-iron Craftsman from 1968. However I also have a table saw, compound miter, etc. It's pretty much used for wide cross cuts now.
A Finewoodworking forum talks about a 3hp 220v motor for a dewalt 14" RAS I would love to see videos of you guys taking apart, cleaning, repairing, and tuning old woodworking machines like this.
I worked in a frame mill for about 15 years at a furniture company and by far the most dangerous piece of equipment we had was the radial arm saw. We had two dudes that were allowed to run, two old hands that knew what they were about. After they left I put it on a storage trailer and it's sits there still as far as I know.
for years, I had the Craftsman and I loved it. I did everything with it. Cross cuts, rips, raised panels, dados. I fell on some hard times and had to move so my woodshop had to be dismantled. I sold it. Fast forward several years and someone bought me that actual saw you are working on (the Delta). It was crap from day one. The biggest issue I had was that the blade did not track at 90 to the arm and I could never tweak it right. Any tool is only as dangerous as the operator. You can cut your finger off with a handsaw if you're dumb. The saw is fine if use it smartly.
John, throw the first saw in the dumpster. Get an older, larger delta. The best ones had a center hung saw arm under the main boom arm . The entire arm rotated under the boom. Find a 12 or 14 inch. I heve one in my saw lineup. Three saws on one fence. One dewalt 12 in compound on the left, a dewalt 12 dual bevel slide compound in the middle, and a very old delta center arm radial on the left. I leave a dado head in the delta death trap❤😂 The second saw needs a starter capacitor in the worst way. You WILL burn out the "run" windings if you keep using it like that. Pull the motor and send it to a motor shop to get freshened up. That thing will be a beast when you get it back!!!
I had to use an old Radial Arm Saw in shop class that looked just like these. It was either a Black&Decker or DeWalt. The only guard was a metal ring. And this wasn’t that long ago it was around 4 or 5 years ago. I actually preferred this style saw over the newer saws.
I have had mine for 35 years now and have used it A LOT! I still use it i go through it every couple years and calibrate it and grease everything fine tune it and it is still dead nuts 90 degrees and square.
I still have the one my grandfather bought then my dad got and I inherited it. It’s been sitting in the corner of my shop un-used since I moved 8 years ago. I remember using it before we put it on its own breaker it would dim half the lights in the house. It is a delta and had a similar “break” where it slowly slows the blade.
I learned woodworking in my dad's shop with his 10" Craftsman radial. Whenever he put the blade in the horizontal position (usually for cheek cuts on tenons), I would refer to it as " the kill position."
I remember running a radial arm saw at high school in the 70's. My favourite saw. Follow the safety instruction and you could cut almost anything with it. It ran on 220V and cut as smooth as silk. When I got the chance I bought a Shopsmith in the early 80's for my home workshop and I'm still using that to this day as my bandsaw (with attachment system) as well as my lathe and table saw. I have an outboard drill press as well as a sanding station so seldom use the Shopsmith for those function these days but I still have the attachments to do that if I wanted to. The horizontal boring function of the Shopsmith was something I used when I was building some furniture and chairs years ago.
First stationary power tool I ever bought was the same Delta 10" radial. That was 40 years ago. I was taken in by the supposed "versatility" it offered. After attempting my first rip, and even with youthful invincibility, it occurred to me that, "this is really dangerous." I still have the saw for nostalgia's sake but haven't used it in years. Still kind of cool to have around.
"The only other way you could cut that [dovetail] is typically standing up at a table saw" The japanese craftsman's handsaw that built whole villages: "AM I A JOKE TO YOU?? 😭"
My uncle a carpenter 40 plus years had a craftsman from sears Canada . He cut everything with the radial saw . His sons used it and he used it throughout the 70's and 80's part of the 90's until chop saws and age finished him at 78 years old .
My dad had a shopsmith that was a Tablesaw, Bandsaw, Shaper-table and Lathe all in one unit. It was his favorite tool ever. I think it could also use a sanding disc
If you don't mind it on the saw, you can add a belt and pully to move the crank to the front of it. It would just be a 1 to 1 and should be simple to do and could even have it be face front. Otherwise as a blade stop, magnetic stop would work wonders on it and should be something you can add to the table itself to engage the blade when needed. Also one thing people never do with these and can be done is a light spring to pull the saw back and keep it in place. I have seen some of these while running start to walk forwards on its own. Overall I feel safer using a radial arm saw than a table saw or even the newer sliding miter saw which has kinda taken up the place of the old radial arm saw but slightly more dangerous as if the blade catches it can and will walk over the material because it can freely move upwards where the old radial arm saw has to walk through the material. Radial arm saws are dangerous given their "capabilities" with the advertisements they were shipped with but if you use them in the most basic uses like cutting boards to length and doing dados for stuff like shelves or doing tenons then they can be made fairly safe. I mean that blade being out there is not really any different than a bandsaw with a good portion of its blade being shown at all times while cutting. I have seen these radial arm saws with some decent blade guard protection but most take them off like how they would take off the old blade guards on table saws.
So one thing nobody seems to know about radial arm saws, and I never see this mentioned: Radial arm saws have a 99% dust collection efficiency when doing rip cuts, using the factory blade guard---no dust escapes to the floor, and the factory blade guard comes with a built in vacuum attachment on ALL radial arm saws. When you adjust the blade guard to do a rip cut, the angle of the blade guard and the unusual rotation of the blade, it actually pushes the sawdust straight into the vacuum. I use a small 18 volt Milwaukee round canister vacuum that I can set off to the side of the radial arm saw table, and while rip cutting small pine boards, there isn't a single granule of dust left over. There is no other saw with this level of dust collection using the stock blade guard on a rip cut. However, on crosscuts the blade guard no longer works properly, and you get a giant plume of dust covering your entire garage wall.
I learned how to use one in school back in the ’80s. Our shop had proper industrial equipment, which meant it was also extremely dangerous. Most of it was surplus or retired government machinery. The radial-arm saw is still one of my favorites.
What tape measure? The $100 got my attention first! What a distraction from a beautiful old DeWalt saw. Thanks for bringing back the memories of these old machines. I find it fascinating when I find them in the basements of old buildings in Los Angeles. The people that used to operate all these buildings, used to be true craftsmen. Union Bank Plaza was finished in 1965 and had a crew of specialists in trades. An electrician, a plumber, a carpenter, a painter, an air conditioning/refrigeration guy, and a locksmith. They only worked in their field. Now one of the people in these buildings has to know about all of their jobs. No on uses a drill press anymore or the radial saw abandoned in the back somewhere. In the 90's OSHA put the kibosh on these old tools. The one thing that gets me though, these guys still use those tagged out grinders with improper guards on them.
Probably the first fair assessment of the RAS. That GR definitely has an issue with the motor. I think you could get 3 phase motors on that model. I think the DeWalt peaked in the mid 50’s: solid machines with the best motors.
As somebody that regularly uses these saws, and has dealt with the kickback from them more times than I like, I 100000000000% recommend adding a safety stop to it. You may not need it, but you’ll be glad to have it if you do.
I learned woodworking on my Dad's Craftsman radial arm saw and you're right, you definitely have to get comfortable with the pull. He remodeled the entire house including building 40+ custom cabinets for the kitchen, bathrooms and basement. Compound miters became popular after that and that's all I've ever had in my own shop but he still does everything with the radial arm and has never had a miter saw in his shop.
I am of an age where I was raised on the radial arm saw. I have owned a number of them and is still my saw of choice. Using this type of saw requires extreme adherence to safety and concentration. For a beginner to acquire this type of saw, I would suggest finding an old Craftsman 10". Very few people know that there is still a recall in effect where a free safety blade guard and table top will be shipped to you for free. (Tip) - Once you have the new table top and blade guard installed place a sacrificial malemine piece on top of the table there by not damaging the new top.
They will also send you money for proving you destroyed it. Part of a class action. I sold mine for less than the check, because preserving the tool is more important.
That’s awesome I have a 1943 delta Rockwell that was my grandfathers. Thing cuts like a dream just needs a little love. This was my first saw and have used it for 8 years now
I went to carpentry school in 1990. Every piece of equipment was from England and was manufactured in the early 60's. Each floor mounted piece weighed close to 1000 pounds. It was quite an impressive shop both in terms of equipment and size. The radial arm saw had a 20" blade. The teacher set it up to demonstrate how dangerous ripping with it could be if you didn't know how to do it properly. When he fed a 2' long piece of 2x4 into it the wrong direction it flew 20' across the room like a bullet and took a chunk out of the solid concrete wall it hit. That saw was only ever allowed to be used for 90 degree cross cutting.
I've got an old DeWalt cast iron radial arm saw that one of my brothers-in-law picked up for like $50 at a garage sale. I have it set up just for cross-cutting and use it to cut 8-foot boards down to a manageable length. It is SO much easier than fooling with a circular saw and certainly easier than trying to cross-cut anything that long on a table saw. But I would never consider using it for anything other than cross-cuts. I used to buy my hardwoods from a dealer who had a huge old radial arm saw and that puppy had some power behind it. It would easily cross-cut several 4/4 boards at a time. It was LOUD and took forever to finally stop spinning.
We got a big radial arm saw to cut aluminium extrusion (50x360mm) and modified it to be more safe, first we built a big alloy housing around the saw, added a square backstop, added a pneumatic ram to the saw so it slowly slides out and in with a simple lever and pneumatic rams that clamp the material in place when you cut
Back in the 70's, our high school shop had red marks painted on the tools that had taken off fingers. Or caused serious injury. I think the band saw had about 7 or 8 of them. And the shop teacher was missing most of the first two fingers on his right hand. For emphasis, he would often point at things with the nubs.
I had my own joinery business. My main machine was a DW125 radial arm saw . I used it for all tenant cuts and bevels . I still have my moulding blocks and cutters. I'm retired now and sold everything but i do miss these toys .
Replacing that motor would be tricky, but having it rewound is possible. I grew up repairing pneumatic and electric tools and worked on quite a few saws that had long run down times. That auto stop function can be annoying at times but it serves an important safety purpose.
You really should do woodworking classes. With your humor and knowledge I'd definitely take a class from you because I know I would truly listen and learn. 👏🏾👏🏾
That was quite brave of you cutting a 4" tall board with 3/4" fence. You got balls man. I had a 50's era craftsman 30+ years ago and I almost gave up woodworking because I spent about half of my time tuning up my saw every time I moved the saw out of square.
Awesome! I have an old 60s Yuba Tool Works radial arm saw as well as an old Rockwell Delta tablesaw. Love those old tools. Radials can do some pretty amazing stuff, I have a drill chuck and a thickness sander that work on mine, along with a box of other adapter things. It has the arbor for putting the saw blade on, as well as a short shaft out the other end of the head to attach the drill chuck. The chuck will take router bits, shaper heads, and a Wagner Safe-T-Planer. That second shaft is key, it unlocks all kinds of other add ons, there's a pulley you can mount so you can use the motor to drive other things via a standard V belt. Mine does all the same movements as the second one, but is sized closer to the first. It's been a bit since I used mine, but I don't think mine even has a brake on the blade. Takes just as long to wind down. Older units like mine have some incredible flexibility and are rock solid, much more accurate than the Delta.. Seeing it used to make tenons makes me want to dust mine off and try that out.... That motor on the second saw sucks, but it probably is repairable. Maybe a bad winding, worn out capacitors, centrifugal switch, etc. All are replaceable or repairable and cheaper than buying a new motor.
My grandfather still has his Craftsman industrial set up in the shop with a Delta dust collection setup modified to fit it. Made many cuts with that before I ever used a miter saw.
Graduated in '09. Woodworking class, there were two tools we were not allowed to touch, the radial arm saw, and the router (a kid the year before me ripped a nice chunk of a finger off on the router table). But the radial saw was never set up for anything but basic crosscutting so it didn't make sense to me.
I just bought one of these. The Delta ones. All of them are welded like that from the factory. The large handle of the front is to lock the miter in place and the smaller is to release the detent
The reason people think Radial arm saws are dangerous is because they don’t know how to use them properly. They have not taken the time to read the manual nor did they take the time to learn on the saw, they just buy it and think it’s like every other saw out there and start to use it without the knowledge of how to use it. Case in point, I was helping my brother do the hardy board siding on his house, my other brother decided to help us, he wanted to cut material while we installed, I saw that he was pulling the blade through the material to fast, I told him to be careful and I told him the blade will walk up on top of the material if he does that, he told me he knows what he’s doing, well two cuts later the saw walks up on top of the material and after getting his blood pressure back down, he started cutting with more care.
I love my Craftsman 12" RAS. Got it from my father-in-law that got it from his uncle. I use it all the time for cross cuts. Better than my miter saw in terms of cut depth. At least 12" cross cut! No lack of power on mine. Respect the tool and you can get a lot done. The last demo you did at 27:00+ is not a proper representation of RAS. At least not mine. Mine is a beast!
One of my friend's dad was a carpenter and he had one in his garage. It was the first power tool I used when I was about 10. I didn't really think it was dangerous. We cut firewood with a 2 foot exposed blade hooked to a tractor. That was the one my dad wouldn't let me near, until I got older.
I’m 70 years old and used Radial Arm saw since I was 15 now it’s dominant in my shop and a worm drive skill,12 in compound slider miter saw is my basic. It’s safe and you can get the JessEm or board buddies for ripping I mainly now will crosscut or rip only now. I use saw saw and jigsaw a lot especially for metal.
I just wanted to say, I grew up around my dads Craftsman (I think 3 hp) radial arm saw. That thing was an absolute power house, and had some really cool features one of them being a resistance setting. It had a trigger and scroll wheel on the handle you could set, and without the trigger pulled, the saw head would not move. You could set the speed with the scroll wheel and pull the trigger and it would only pull as fast as it was set to. You could put your body weight into that saw, but it would move at one steady pace according to the setting. I also feel like i remember it would auto home itself to the back of the machine when you let go, so it would always sit furthest away from the user. No doubt a dangerous saw, but arent they all? I loved using that radial arm saw when i was older.
I would guess that the motor on the second saw is 220V, or it's wired incorrectly. Maybe the previous owner didn't have 220V and he wired it for 110V? A 14" blade seems like a lot to ask of for 110V. The slow start could also point to a bad start capacitor.
Same thoughts about the capacitor here, too. And also check the carbon brushes, maybe they are also worn out.
bad stating cap or the centrifugal switch that energizes the second windings once up to speed. The switches get sawdust and crap in them because the motor cant be sealed due to heat.
I’d blow out the motor and spray it with some contact cleaner first. That should give you an idea if you are on the right track. From there, I’d consider finding a local company to check the windings and do a rebuild. New brushes and contacts, etc.
@@nickademuss42 Oh yeah, good point. If it's full of crud that switch won't engage or move very well. I had my old 70's craftsman table saw motor stop spinning up at all, I thought I had killed the motor. I took it apart and didn't see anything I immediately could recognized as wrong, so just cleaned it and put it back together. Everything has been working fine with it since then.
That was going to be my guess. I've never seen a 14" RAS that wasn't running 3hp
@John Malecki - check your motor wiring. I have the same Rockwell radial arm saw, and it won't stall and it's a 220 volt. A 220 volt motor will run on 110 volts but will have no power.
I had the same issue with my delta
I believe you're 100% correct. It's a synchronous induction motor. All things being good, it will always eventually reach the correct speed because the operating RPMs are a function of the number of motor windings and the frequency (60hz) of the power source, regardless of the supplied voltage (assuming there's enough voltage to push enough current to provide enough power to get it turning at all). What's missing is enough voltage and consequently enough power to keep it running under load.
Which would explain why the plug had been replaced. Possibly a guy who didn't have a 220 outlet in the shop.
Yeah, this runs like the saw I mis-wired for 220 when it's on a 110v circuit. The capacitor could be very weak too, not enough to be useless, but not giving it much capacitance to work with...that shouldn't leave it so weak, but it might be the cause of the super-slow start-up.
Or the motor could have a serious issue, I mean, that's possible too, but I would test BOTH the 110 and 220v wiring options on the motor and see how each setting behaves on its expected voltage. The really fun ones are where the included diagram is on the cap and not the motor, but then someone uses a cap from another motor, but that only happened to me once. Anyway, definitely verify its voltage settings, and maybe swap out the capacitor.
I came here to say this.
As a tip- from experience, you really want to make sure you get a blade with a very small or even negative hook angle. Too many of the 2nd hand RAS's you pick up will have a replacement blade fitted, and the former owner just picked the blade from the offerings at the local home depot, not realizing that those blades were made for either table saws or miter saws. The agressive hook angles make the blades want to walk, and will also contribute to making rip cuts more likely to go balistic.
On the subject of rip cuts, my only concern/difficulty with rips has been that mine doesn't have a riving knife (at least it has an anti-kickback pawl though) But I've ripped countless boards over the decade or so that I've had it.
And as others have said, that Dewalt is probably intended to be (or at least capable of being) wired for 220V.
Radials are far safer ripping than any table saw. The reason is that with the radial you are NOT standing in the line of fire. You are feeding the stock from the front of the saw and it can only kick the wood to the left or right. And radials can NOT kick back in cross cutting. They can’t pull wood (or your hand.) onto the edge of the blade because the edge of the blade is sunk into the able top. They are 10 times safer than any table saw.
Assuming you have it set up right and are smart enough to notice that the blade will follow the visible slot in the table.
As far as a riving knife, The anti-kickback pawls, if properly set, should prevent any kickback in a thru cut rip. You set the blade guard so the leading edge of the guard is barely higher than the stock you’re cutting, so the blade can not lift the stock off the table at the start of the cut… and at the tail of the cut the blade is actually pushing the wood down, but because the edge of the blade, even when ripping, is embedded in the table, the radial literally can not pull the wood up onto the edge of the blade, which is part of what makes table saws so dangerous. ( tables saws are LIFTING the board off the table at the tail ends of their cut, and can pull a board over the top of the teeth and really launch it, or even pull your hand onto the edge of the blade. Radials can’t do that. )
What I see more often is that if the kerf closes, or a thick piece of stock starts to twist or bend as I am ripping, it will bind on the blade and cause the motor klixon to pop- shutting the saw down for a minute or two until you can reset the motor after it cools. Mine is running thru a sophisticated digital phase converter and it’s my phase converter that will shut power to the motor if it starts becoming overloaded. Takes like 5 minutes to reset. As a result, If I am ripping something long or thick, I will just keep a small wooden or plastic wedge handy and as I pull the stock thru, I just shove the wedge gently in the kerf to keep it spread so it can’t bind on the blade.
You can also buy a set of Board Buddies- which are these spring loaded rubber wheels that mount to the fence on either side of the saw carriage and only turn in one direction. They are set to pull the board against the fence, and prevent even a fully cut off rip from getting launched between the fence and blade back out the feed side. They come in two kinds, Clockwise, and counter clockwise, depending on whether you are In Ripping or Out Ripping.
The pawls are nice, but I'd still love to have a riving knife to prevent the pinching, without having to stop and wedge.
@@revgeorge1977 Folks are overly confident in riving knives. They are strictly for when you are not thru cutting a board, or otherwise can’t have the over the top blade guard/riving knife combo on a table saw. They reduce the chance of a kickback, but do not eliminate it. And they do not prevent the board from being lifted and pulled onto the top of the blade, along with your hand.
If you are thru ripping on the Radial, the edge of the blade is embedded in the table kerf. The board cannot get onto the edge of the blade and so cannot be pulled into the blade. The only time I have ever seen a radial kick while ripping is when some doofus tries feeding the board the wrong direction… or when they are making the mistake of ‘ripping’ short lengths where the cut is not longer than the engaged surface of the blade. ( such that the cut offs can get jammed between the blade disc and fence- for short cuts ignore grain direction, you cross cut them all on the radial )
However, some later made radial saws did have anti-kickback pawl arms that had a center spline that served as a riving knife… but for the most part they were rather limited in terms of depth the riving knife would reach- not much use on 2” deep stock. But those same later era radials tended to have lighter weight arms and columns that have too much flex in them and are what contributed to folks mistaken notions about radials safety.
I find a simple wedge works great, like those plastic applicators you buy with a can of bondo, and even then, I only use them if it looks like the kerf is closing as I cut.
Because of where you stand while ripping on a radial, it’s not like a table saw where you would have to reach over the top of the blade, across the wide table to insert a wedge.
If people spend the money (I know $40 is a fortune) for a new Diablo blade, they don't climb. You can't feel anything, they cut so effortlessly with the modern laser sharpened carbide, that you don't get any burning, climbing, or anything.
You can really just slam the most aggressive Diablo blade on the radial arm saw, and it won't climb. If you're using a 1990's blade (I think many people are) then of course it's going to cut AWFUL and it's going to burn the wood, it's going to bog down the motor and it will probably launch a carbide at you too. I put the 24 tooth Diablo Ripping blade on my 9" radial arm saw, and it cuts effortlessly smooth, even on plywood crosscuts, it doesn't surge or try to climb, and there is very little to no tear out.
The moden blades have "anti kickback" rakers on them, to prevent the blade catching and climbing--the 1990's hardware store carbide blades found on most older radial arm saws at yardsales, do not have. Get a modern blade with the anti-kickback raker teeth (also called shoulder teeth).
You can look up any Diablo ripping blade or "general purpose" 40 tooth blade, and all of them have the anti-kickback teeth in between the cutting teeth. These are essential, because they prevent the saw from trying to feed too fast. Don't buy a $200 Forrest blade, because they do not cut better, and they do not have the proper anti-kickback teeth on them.
My old shop teacher on the first day of class would setup a radial saw to rip and shoot a 2x4 across the shop as a safety demo.
I got a Craftsman as a floor demo, for cheap and have been using it every which way it can go for the last 40 years. I love it.
Same here, but understanding a bit about how saws can grab anything in reach keeps you sharp while using it. A lot of woodworking journals in the sixties and seventies pointed out the potential dangers and why they occur, and I took the time to digest this. Still have a full complement of fingers and thumbs
Mine just held up his hand with the 3 missing fingers. :)
I remember my papa tanning my hide for shooting a 2x4 across the garage with the radial arm saw when he wasn't there.... That must have been 20 years ago, and I still fear the radial arm saw.
Me, too!
I was 7 or 8 yrs old, and my dad taught me to make a side table on a radial arm saw LOL. First, he made me make my own step stool to REACH said radial arm saw 😂😂. My dad was a master builder and taught me how to swing a hammer, how to strip electrical wire, how to flush screw by hand, vs. using a drill, etc. All the basics at like 7 or 8. Then we added a 30x20 ish addition to the house I grew up in, and he had me hammering studs 16 in on center by hand. Taught me the difference between square, flush, and plumb. Man, this brought me back, John. Thank you. ♥️
as a shop owner that has runs a 16" blade 30" cross cut radial, regularly I would suggest do not oil your rails and bearings use dry silicone or dry graphite. As the sawdust is airborne and with oil on the rail it sticks together making a pellet paste substance ( clean it with a white scotch bright pad or something similar in grit) that impedes the rolling of the head and also a tip for older machines if the rails are worn out. disassemble the top flip the rails. now you have a brand new rolling surface for the bearings to travel along and toss in a new set of bearings while your at it. it will act like a brand new machine.
Love the talking about the safety, while applying electrical tape to a cut.
blood on the saw - before even firing it up! 😂
Common practice in all the trades I used to keep a roll of white electrical tape aside for just that reason . the black smuges too much
The only time I've hurt myself on my table saw was when it was powered off. I dragged my arm across the blade.
I recently gave my RAS away. I hadn't used it in almost 30 years. Too dangerous.
It's a broken brake.
@@kwilliams2239 in the old days 1950s-60s there was no dynamic brakes on most saws I remember going to the lumber yards for scraps and remember the whine of the RAS as they powered down
I own a roofing and siding company and I’ve used a radial arm saw for cutting siding and soffit since I was about 8 years old. I love them!
You should hook the big saw up to a 24V motor so you can lift/lower it with a switch. I recently did this with my drill press and it's AWESOME. A simple 24V motor and a shaft coupler is all it takes.
I love this idea!
That is awesome! Do you have a video of it on TH-cam? I'd love to see it.
I've been using radial arm saws for well over 65 years with no mishaps. My current one is a 30 year old Craftsman, and it has full maneuverability with mitres, etc.
I remember waking up from having my gallbladder removed to a Woodwork Teacher in the bed opposite me with a serious bandage on his hand. Apparently, he sliced his thumb clean off using a radial arm saw. My favourite quote I overheard from him was: "It was going to happen one day but why was it in front of *THAT* class." Teachers know what he means ...
Damn! haha!
Grandpa cut his thumb off with a RAS as well. However I had 16” DeWalt and loved it.
@@JohnMaleckiUnscrewed im like the look of thoes shop shades could do with a good pair
This happened in my middle school back in the 90s lol. I wasn't in the class but I heard about it. Pretty sure it was on a radial arm saw as well. Might have been on a table saw.
I'm a teacher and I feel this in my soul.
I just bought a used Craftsman Radial Arm saw. I had one in the eighties and I was a little afraid of it. Long story short I moved and I did not take it with me (space was an issue). This was the best video I have found and your care about how dangerous it is was refreshing. I bought mine purely for Dados. But after watching your video I am more open to doing so much more with it. Now I am pretty excited about it. Great Video.
I own a Craftsman 10" Radial Arm. Love that saw for crosscuts and dado. It also works great for ripping plywood sheets. Like any other tool, it's only as safe as the operator.
Schools still have shop class. I'm a teacher, we have a full out construction class as well as wood working classes. They learn to use tools. We also have a full auto maintenance program. I teach physics and a big part of my physical science curriculum is engineering and revision, in other words: build, test, make better. Easy now when you're attacking teachers, some of us are still trying to build self sufficient adults.
My local high school has a fully decked wood shop too. They offer woods as a bundle course to introduce multiple courses. The kids can then select one to go further if they choose.
My high school hasn't had shop for 20 yrs. You're right, blanket statement on his part wasn't applicable to you, but yours isn't applicable to me.
In my country this type off classes never exist so for me when a saw in the tv show this type of classes feel strange.
I very glad that my father teach me to do the repair in the house and use the basic tools(hammer,sircular saw,grinder,etc) because in this time know how to use a hammer is a forgoten skill 😅😅
(Sorry any grammar mistake english is no my native lenguage)
Either motor is worn out or you're either missing a start or run capacitor or both. The spin down issue suggests the centrifugal switch for the capacitor circuit was removed or disabled, but then I'm only experienced on equipment from late 60s to early teens.
You are of a dwindling society, my high school stopped teaching woodworking in 1988. Now in Oz, convos with mates say they ended here in 1990s. Now a technical school course after high school called TAFE.
Whats mad is i would never have a need to buy a radial arm saw but felt the need to be watching every moment of this video
my dad had one was I was but a wee laddeh so I watched to see how crazy that shit was back in the day and what he was dealing with. Kinda freaks me out to be honest lol. Had a Sears Crafstman
I've had a RAS in my shop for 40 years - cheap and useful. My current one is a 10" Dewalt that matches your Delta. Mine floats through wood flawlessly because I only use it for 90 degree crosscuts and I only use a blade with a negative rake (Freud 60T sliding Miter with -5 degree rake, LU91R010 works great!) These are very complicated saws to set up because all the parts and the table adjust in relationship to each other and it takes me the better part of an afternoon (and a few TH-cam videos) to get the table, fence, arm and arbor on mine in proper alignment. Set it up and then leave it. The reason they fell from grace is that as soon as you start rotating the head or the arm to do all those crazy cuts, it never returns to alignment suitable for cabinetry tolerances thus only being useful for "half lap real estate signs". If I need to make a miter cut, I pop out the fence rail and replace it with one having a 45 degree triangle of plywood attached and cut without moving the arm. Also, make sure the saw is shimmed in the front to tilt slightly backward. The motor head will float on a well adjusted saw and you don't want it sliding down the arm into a piece of wood toward you while you are setting up a cut. Good luck!
You must not have set it up right. I run a 1953 DeWalt 14” radial. It took me about 3 hours to get it set up and dialed in. That basically meant leveling the entire saw stand with leveling feet so that the underside of the arm was dead level both across the ways and down the underside of the arm. And then leveling the table. ( a level arm trams to a table that is level ) And then adjusting the 3 axies of the carriage to get the blade dead plumb and square to the fence. Key to this set up was shifting the saw from 90 to 45 degree cuts and then back again, to make sure the stop levers were tight enough to always return the saw to dead accurate 90. Making sure there is no slop on either side of the alignment locking pawls is critical. But I can say that my friend’s $800 Bosch multilink miter saw can’t even come anywhere near the repeatable accuracy of the DeWalt. I would advise against getting any of the Black and Decker era, lighter weight radials. The 1950’s DeWalts massive cast iron arms will prevent the saw blade from climbing out of any cut. If you are having this problem then your arm and or column have too much play in them to be rigid and this might explain your problem with repeated accuracy. Do NOT set your saw to tilt backwards. You want the arm and table to be dead level, to simplify set up and ensure accuracy. A negative hook blade should help reduce the ‘feel’ of the saw pulling itself thru the wood- but this is largely just a matter of folks thinking they have to pull the saw thru the wood, rather than realizing they are actually Braking the saw with their hand, more than pulling it… Its a little unnerving at first, but once you get used to it, its not unsafe, because the saw can’t do anything but follow the arm, anyway. Rather than that, if you want the carriage to tend to return on its own, then simply install a spring wound return reel on the arm that will use a coiled spring and cable to pull the carriage back when you let it go. A return reel will also counteract the tendency of the saw to pull itself thru the stock as well. You can buy return reels from The Original Saw Co. website.
If you want to go full 70s/80s, you need to run a wobble-dado on that thing. When dad would start up his Craftsman with that thing on it, the house would vibrate.
Hahahaa.. I have an 8" wobbly.. I just can't bring myself to use it!
I inherited by fathers wood shop recently and when I came across the wobble dado I felt like a vet with PTSD. Full fade out to the whole shop shaking and the loudest screaching noise accompanied by the blade spinning. It didn't help that it took what felt like forever to stop spinning lol.... Good times...
I have those they are awesome also have the three cutter molding head that makes a roar.
@@mlambert5722 True....LOL. Sadly, my father just passed and I'll be travelling to the great state of Maine to go through his enormous wood shop. While I can't justify shipping any of the machinery, I'd love to come across that damn wobbler and just frame it for my shop. HA! I'd love to see what TSA would do seeing that in my luggage.
in the Mid 90s thats what my shop had in Jr High
I love my radial arm saw! I got an old one from the early 70s and it's rock solid. Mine is set up for non through cuts. Really only dado cuts and super long pieces. Yes, I do have a nice miter saw right beside it, but this saw never leaves 90 so I know it's precise. A good negative rake blade is a must, and don't pay attention to the nice man in a tie pretending to do dangerous cuts with the saw in the manual!
That cut with the big saw, you can see that if it didn't bog down, it was starting to climb the wood.
240 definitely gives more grunt with my saw. I highly recommend it :)
I worked at a metal sign shop and they have a 14 inch radial arm saw that ran on at least 220 volt. It sat outside under a shed with a long 25 foot table to cut single and double face extruded aluminum frames. It cut 90 degrees and 45 degree cuts. You had to set the 45 with a speed square. The table was mostly square. The blade took easily 2 minutes to stop. The blade would shoot shorter off cuts. This saw would rip your face off just because you flipped the power switch to the on position.
I owned a dual voltage Craftsman 12 inch radial arm saw that was 90 percent rock solid. I fought the arm deflection constantly. I finally got rid of it when I inherited my dad's 10 inch dual voltage Delta contractor table saw.
You talked about the blade feeling like it was pushing through the wood. The one they own has easily 5 x more push. I had to use a wide stance a brace myself to make a cut. I had to wear gloves because I was cutting aluminum and it went everywhere. The 45 degree cut always left the bevel edge cupped a 16th of an inch. So on a goof day the welder only had to fill in an 1/8th of inch on the joint.
I'm surprised that your 14 inch radial arm saw only runs 110 volt. Hopefully you can find a way to run it 220 volt
I have a Black & Decker Dewalt 10" radial arm saw that I've had for 40 years. I do mainly cross-cutting but I have done many rip cuts, including to the center of 2 x 4 ft. sheets of plywood and particle board with no problem. The saw has a blade guard with a spring steel clip on the front edge which is set right down on the wood to be ripped. On the back of the guard is a bar with steel fingers that drag against the wood to prevent kickback. In all my years of using this saw I have never been injured.
There are specific types of blades that work best on radial arm saws:
Carbide Tipped Saw Blades for Radial Arm Saws
Intended for radial arm and other types of saws where the blade is above the workpiece, the Amana Tool® Radial Arm Saw Blade (-2°) hook angle reduces the tendency of the blade grabbing the material and is recommended for combination rip & crosscuts.
Yea, I made mention of the negative rake blade also. That's kinda a must-have if you want a good experience with these things.
I bought my first radialarm saw in 1980. It was an old Montgomery Ward. I picked it up at a yard sale on my lunch break.i was doing some remodeling and siding jobs by myself. It came with many attachments. I did tonge and groove and a few other moldings. It later became dedicated siding saw in a 16' trailer. It was still working when I sold it. I have always had a radial saw ever since.
the sound of that Delta winding up and slowing down reminds me so much of my grandfather's shop in the 1970's
This video was so much better paced than the last couple build videos. I watch these kinds of videos to relax and space out, the crazy fast paced videos give me anxiety (IA console ). TIn this video John seems much more relaxed and the shop seems to have a positive atmosphere. Keep it up!
For the motor - check the wiring. Old machinery usually runs on 3 phases (as far as I know 380V), however, the 3-phase brushless motor can run on a single fase 220V, just very poorly. It might be the case here (assuming that you are running it right now on a single phase)
Yea, this should not be running like that. Change the power.
The thing with 3-phase is that it doesn't use a starter coil or capacitor; the 3-phase gives, in effect, a rotating current, which, basically, is also why you can reverse the direction of spin by switching any two wires.
You can use an electrolytic "start" capacitor to fake the third phase to start a 3-phase motor and a smaller (regular) "run" capacitor to keep it going. When it gets up to speed, you cut the start cap out of the circuit, and let the run capacitor* take over. (In fact, I think you can do without the run capacitor, with about 30% power loss.)
It's really pretty simple, though I've forgotten the exact details, but you can find them all over the web. Look for "Homemade Phase Converters".
I have a 20 HP lathe in my basement running off single-phase 220 VAC, a big bank of cap.s I got out of junk air conditioners, and wired up to a 10 HP 3-phase motor to generate the third leg. The combo gives me 3-phase, but I have to give the 10 HP motor a little kick to get it started spinning before I power it up.
Details for this are online as well.
*(Electrolytic cap.s will overheat and fry if exposed to too much current for long, but they pack a lot more power into a small size than run cap.s
And they make a cool whistling sound when they blow!)
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Guys... stop already. That's an old 115 vac single phase saw without an electric brake.
@@briandantz4899no it’s a 14” GR probably 55, they were all 240 single phase , or 3 phase. Being a 14”, most likely 3 phase as it was industrial quality tool. It most definitely was not 120
I loved using the radial arm saw in home economics. I cut the fabric for a gym bag, sliced vegetables and mixed batter with it. Great tool for the kitchen!
As a safety thing, make sure the carriage takes about 5# pressure to move the saw. This will reduce the likelihood of it moving on its own (before you start it, of course). This is done by adjusting the tension on the carriage bearings. The blade spinning can be reduced greatly by replacing the bearings on the arbor. Mine went from 30s to 6s spin-down with new bearings.
Growing up my dad and i did a lot of wood working. We used a radial arm saw a lot. He always told me that the most dangerous thing about it was if it walks on you and you dont keep control of it. Between the 2 of us we still have our 10 fingers. I believe a lot of the safty of a radil arm saw is using the thing that sits between your ears.
My dad's first tablesaw was a circular saw mounted to a plywood deck. He made amazing things with it.
I hope you mean to say "between the two of us we still have our 20 fingers"!🙂
That's exactly right, if you use your head and don't do anything stupid while using RAS, such as have your hand anywhere near the blade or it's path, not standing in the the right position to use the RAS a little to side preferably, improper holding/clamping of the piece to be cut, regularly clean the gunk off of your blade to keep it sharp and replace if necessary (chipped teeth), I would also say it is much safer to crosscut with than rip a piece length-wise, any ripping should be saved for the table saw, although IMO the table saw is probably the most dangerous saw at least based on my own experiences, especially if you get a 4x8 sheet of 3/4" plywood in a bind and it kicks back and slams you into a wall, I've also seen a coworker push a sheet of plywood through one and it shot a splinter about 3/8" thick and 1" long through his knuckle, he had to pull it out with needle nose pliers, if it had hit him in neck it could've severed an artery and he would have bled to death before we could get to a ER, as our shop was way out in the country
@artian11 yes, sorry my dad is also a math professor so I automatically devided by 2. It is a bad habit that I have got to stop.
@@poolcrusher90 I have seen a man lay out and build a set of cabinets with only a router. Things are endless if you get creative and aren't afraid to get a little squirrely.
The biggest difference between this RAS and a sliding compound saw is that many people start the compound saw all the way out to do a scoring cut, then push through the wood in a descending cut. This doesn't allow the blade to draw itself faster into the wood. For whatever reason, people don't do this on a RAS. There is this mindset that you must pull the saw towards you in a climbing cut. It's just so easy for the saw to draw itself into the wood and get out of control. You can even see in one of your clips from another woodworker, he starts his cut with the motor fully extended, then extends his arm to push through the wood. It's what the label on the front says to do.
A little history on DeWalt and the radial arm saw:
Invented by Raymond DeWalt in 1922 in Leola, PA. He sold the DeWalt Company to AMF (the company that made bowling pin setters and atomic reactors, and owned Harley for a short time) in 1949. DeWalt was eventually bought by Black and Decker in 1960 and continued to make radial arm saws under the DeWalt name until 1990.
Is that blood already? 4:19 John didn't even start it up yet....haha
it is. he cut his finger on a piece of it. you can see where it is on his pointer or middle finger a few seconds later.
Cool tool! My dad had one and it was great for all kinds of projects. Just need to remember the softest thing in the shop is you. Can you put a stepper motor on the "Z" axis and an LED display/controller in the front to give you fine tune adjustments for height? (so you don't need access to the back) Maybe use a stopper block (random wood laying around to cut after you turn it off) and use it like brakes for the blade after you turn it off? It might dull the blade a bit if you're shoving it, but it wouldn't take 90 seconds to stop
Love to see this tool highlighted, very cool John. For anyone curious to get back to "where it all began" and learn from a master - look for the name Mr. Sawdust. Proud to say he was my grandfather, he brought the original DeWalt to market back in the 1950s, and literally "wrote the book" on it decades later - you'll see it referred to simply as "the book" or "the Bible" in RAS circles. :) Here's a video of him doing a live demonstration a while back - th-cam.com/video/gwnfDCgaof4/w-d-xo.html - he was a real showman, and the RAS was like an extension of his own body, the way he used it.
Very cool to hear from Mr. Kunkel's family. Happy to say that I built his table for my inherited RAS and its a great asset in my shop. I dont have the beautiful cast version so I use it mostly as a crosscut tool. But it can cut boards over 14" wide which is wonderful. Thanks for commenting.
From Mr Sawdust’s musings you will find that Mr. Dewalt invented the saw in the twenties. The 50’s was the heyday of the quality RAS. Dewalt was sold AMF and they sold to Black and Decker in the early 60’s and the race to the bottom for RAS’s started soon after. You can still buy a copy of the quality 50’s era Dewalt saws from The Original Saw company, but that will cost you closer to $5k. starting!
@@tonyblanco305 Nothing beats a solid "Mr. Sawdust table", well worth the time it takes to make one.
I grew up in the 80's using my grandfather's late 1950's radial arm saw, I was 12 the first time I used it. I was taught how to use it, I was always carful and I was never injured. I used dato blades and old saw blades that came with it that my dad would sharpen. It was a great saw!
The radial arm saw is my favorite shop tool. We've had one since I was a little kid. If used properly it's as safe as a table saw.
So not very safe at all? Let's be real, even doing everything right, its a roll of the dice every time. Some of us will get lucky and keep our fingers intact, others not so much.
I have used an old Crapsmam RAS in my shop for over 30 years. I use it only for crosscut and multi pull dados. Has worked fine. I have a miter saw for angle cuts. It has a cast iron beam and it is quite tite for the adjustments.
The insane versatility and “jet-like” sound of a well tuned RAS is what initially drew me to woodworking. I have 3 RAS’s and use each one for different functions. It’s mind boggling that 90% (no, that’s NOT an actual statistic u hacks!) of the old Dewalts made in the 50/60’s still run and perform.
Welcome to the club brotha, happy to have a sick-eff like you spinning one of these gems! 👊🏼
both of mine still run a treat - I have overhauled the motor and guide bearings a couple of times
OH MY GOD. I operated one of these in my teens for my uncles woodshop. Massive 24in? blade. Cutting all the moulding to rough size, and getting rid of offcuts. - They are fascinating to operate as you experienced. So glad to see this video and bring back memories!
The blade still spinning while we were eating lunch, and still spinning when we got back was always hilarious.
Since '93, the radial arm saw has been a constant in my high school shop classroom. Despite my shift to special ed in the last seven years, it still serves its purpose, even if I'm not its main operator anymore. My students may prefer crafting birdhouses, but the saw still gets the job done, mostly for rough cuts. It's in good hands with the current teacher and students, and who knows, maybe one day it'll be a vintage relic celebrated for its durability.
PS I came upon an old 1971 Dewalt radial arm all-cast iron for free about a year ago. An old woodworker passed away and the family gave it to me.
Picked up a Sears saw from the curb about 6 months ago, had no clue what it was, know I know! I had no idea it tilted, just that it swung. Was planning on fixing it up, bunch of rust, still need to find out if the motor even works lol dang thing feels 50 #s If not more. Had the base, no legs. Proud of my find! Thanks for the educational vid!
All the grumpy old guys that got mad at you about the shop smith thing are going to lose it lol
It's not the old guys that are scared. It's the young guys that are either scared or ignorant/unsafe.
@@barnyardkh4 my comment Said nothing about being scared or unsafe. Go cry to someone else.
@@gatorb8 Who's crying?
I have one of the old Craftsman models that everyone's dad had. It's wired for 240V and runs super smooth. The most important thing to do is put a negative hook angle blade on it to reduce the tendency to run towards you. I also made a sheet metal back wall with a 4" dust port as well as a smaller line to the port on the blade guard for dust control. I nicknamed mine "The Amputator" to remind me to treat it with the proper care & respect when using it, because it will cut any body part off without slowing down.
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My 1959 DeWalt 9" has the label on the motor. Mine is 120/240 volts. You said the label was missing from that motor. It's possible that yours is wired for 240 volts, since the control system was obviously wall-mounted (hence the direct connection to the twist-lock plug). Open the connection box on the motor and see if it has the windings connected in series (high voltage) or parallel (low voltage). Also, mine is a capacitor-start motor. If yours has a capacitor hidden inside the motor housing, get it tested. It may need replacing. The slow start-up rate and lack of power tell me that it isn't an undersized motor, just one that isn't developing its rated power.
Great RAS. I have a DeWalt 14” Model GA. It is a 220V single phase that I rebuilt and shared on TH-cam. I’m guessing yours is also and wired to run on 110V (which is less than ideal). I’m also thinking your motor bearings are shot that is why your saw takes forever to stop.
He’s right about the bearings. With new bearings my 16” GE slows down faster than John’s.
I have used my radial arm saw for 45 years now , this type of saw requires a very healthy amount of respect !! 👍
ANY tool can be dangerous
It's how YOU respect and use them that make them safe
Its how the blade turns towards you. They bite more than others. I use mine for dados only.
There are 3 main power tools that give me anxiety, the table saw, routers and electric hand planers. I feel pretty confident when using my planner but still every time before using it in my head im seeing all the horrible things that blade can do lol. I use my more powerful routers as little as possible. But a table saw I still just can't bring myself to own. I don't trust myself, it just takes a split second of lack of concentration and a hand is sucked in, or being stupid and let it fling something. The other tools I can power stance and have everything secured down.
Obviously any tool can be dangerous, some are just more inherently dangerous than others.
You definitely need to get a copy of How to Master the Radial Arm Saw by Mr. Sawdust (Wally Kunkel). He was my grandfather and is pretty much synonymous with the DeWalt radial arm saw, and was a lot of the reason the machine became as popular as it was. The book has a lot of details around how to set it up, including a much more effective table and fence system than what you have set up. There will definitely be instructions on how to do things that there are FAR safer methods to do now. I don't find the machine to be inherently dangerous, but you definitely can get yourself in trouble if you don't understand what you are doing, or try to be overly "creative" with it.
For most of my childhood, all my Dad had for a stationary power saw was a radial arm saw. We used it for everything, ripping, with the wood behind the blade, cross cutting, rabbets, dados with a stacked dado head, tapered legs with a jig. We even had a chuck for doing horizontal drilling- used for dowel joints all the time. Our results were pretty good and we all maintained our fingers and arms. I still have Dad's saw- a super-heavy cast-iron Craftsman from 1968. However I also have a table saw, compound miter, etc. It's pretty much used for wide cross cuts now.
watching this just cemented my security in adding this to the list of tools I never wish to own alongside a full-size lathe.
A Finewoodworking forum talks about a 3hp 220v motor for a dewalt 14" RAS
I would love to see videos of you guys taking apart, cleaning, repairing, and tuning old woodworking machines like this.
I worked in a frame mill for about 15 years at a furniture company and by far the most dangerous piece of equipment we had was the radial arm saw. We had two dudes that were allowed to run, two old hands that knew what they were about. After they left I put it on a storage trailer and it's sits there still as far as I know.
for years, I had the Craftsman and I loved it. I did everything with it. Cross cuts, rips, raised panels, dados. I fell on some hard times and had to move so my woodshop had to be dismantled. I sold it. Fast forward several years and someone bought me that actual saw you are working on (the Delta). It was crap from day one. The biggest issue I had was that the blade did not track at 90 to the arm and I could never tweak it right. Any tool is only as dangerous as the operator. You can cut your finger off with a handsaw if you're dumb. The saw is fine if use it smartly.
John, throw the first saw in the dumpster. Get an older, larger delta. The best ones had a center hung saw arm under the main boom arm . The entire arm rotated under the boom. Find a 12 or 14 inch.
I heve one in my saw lineup. Three saws on one fence. One dewalt 12 in compound on the left, a dewalt 12 dual bevel slide compound in the middle, and a very old delta center arm radial on the left. I leave a dado head in the delta death trap❤😂
The second saw needs a starter capacitor in the worst way. You WILL burn out the "run" windings if you keep using it like that. Pull the motor and send it to a motor shop to get freshened up. That thing will be a beast when you get it back!!!
I had to use an old Radial Arm Saw in shop class that looked just like these. It was either a Black&Decker or DeWalt. The only guard was a metal ring. And this wasn’t that long ago it was around 4 or 5 years ago. I actually preferred this style saw over the newer saws.
I have had mine for 35 years now and have used it A LOT! I still use it i go through it every couple years and calibrate it and grease everything fine tune it and it is still dead nuts 90 degrees and square.
I still have the one my grandfather bought then my dad got and I inherited it. It’s been sitting in the corner of my shop un-used since I moved 8 years ago. I remember using it before we put it on its own breaker it would dim half the lights in the house. It is a delta and had a similar “break” where it slowly slows the blade.
I learned woodworking in my dad's shop with his 10" Craftsman radial. Whenever he put the blade in the horizontal position (usually for cheek cuts on tenons), I would refer to it as " the kill position."
I remember running a radial arm saw at high school in the 70's. My favourite saw. Follow the safety instruction and you could cut almost anything with it. It ran on 220V and cut as smooth as silk. When I got the chance I bought a Shopsmith in the early 80's for my home workshop and I'm still using that to this day as my bandsaw (with attachment system) as well as my lathe and table saw. I have an outboard drill press as well as a sanding station so seldom use the Shopsmith for those function these days but I still have the attachments to do that if I wanted to. The horizontal boring function of the Shopsmith was something I used when I was building some furniture and chairs years ago.
20:00 I wonder if the person had it plugged into a switched outlet, or a power bar, or something else that had a switch they could control.
First stationary power tool I ever bought was the same Delta 10" radial. That was 40 years ago. I was taken in by the supposed "versatility" it offered. After attempting my first rip, and even with youthful invincibility, it occurred to me that, "this is really dangerous." I still have the saw for nostalgia's sake but haven't used it in years. Still kind of cool to have around.
"The only other way you could cut that [dovetail] is typically standing up at a table saw"
The japanese craftsman's handsaw that built whole villages: "AM I A JOKE TO YOU?? 😭"
2:44 My school still offers a woodworking class, its the reason I started watching you.
My uncle a carpenter 40 plus years had a craftsman from sears Canada .
He cut everything with the radial saw . His sons used it and he used it throughout the 70's and 80's part of the 90's until chop saws and age finished him at 78 years old .
My dad had a shopsmith that was a Tablesaw, Bandsaw, Shaper-table and Lathe all in one unit. It was his favorite tool ever.
I think it could also use a sanding disc
Cut and bleeding on a bladeless tool at 4:19 and the electrical tape patch up at 5:00, loving it
If you don't mind it on the saw, you can add a belt and pully to move the crank to the front of it. It would just be a 1 to 1 and should be simple to do and could even have it be face front. Otherwise as a blade stop, magnetic stop would work wonders on it and should be something you can add to the table itself to engage the blade when needed. Also one thing people never do with these and can be done is a light spring to pull the saw back and keep it in place. I have seen some of these while running start to walk forwards on its own.
Overall I feel safer using a radial arm saw than a table saw or even the newer sliding miter saw which has kinda taken up the place of the old radial arm saw but slightly more dangerous as if the blade catches it can and will walk over the material because it can freely move upwards where the old radial arm saw has to walk through the material. Radial arm saws are dangerous given their "capabilities" with the advertisements they were shipped with but if you use them in the most basic uses like cutting boards to length and doing dados for stuff like shelves or doing tenons then they can be made fairly safe. I mean that blade being out there is not really any different than a bandsaw with a good portion of its blade being shown at all times while cutting. I have seen these radial arm saws with some decent blade guard protection but most take them off like how they would take off the old blade guards on table saws.
So one thing nobody seems to know about radial arm saws, and I never see this mentioned: Radial arm saws have a 99% dust collection efficiency when doing rip cuts, using the factory blade guard---no dust escapes to the floor, and the factory blade guard comes with a built in vacuum attachment on ALL radial arm saws.
When you adjust the blade guard to do a rip cut, the angle of the blade guard and the unusual rotation of the blade, it actually pushes the sawdust straight into the vacuum. I use a small 18 volt Milwaukee round canister vacuum that I can set off to the side of the radial arm saw table, and while rip cutting small pine boards, there isn't a single granule of dust left over.
There is no other saw with this level of dust collection using the stock blade guard on a rip cut. However, on crosscuts the blade guard no longer works properly, and you get a giant plume of dust covering your entire garage wall.
I learned how to use one in school back in the ’80s. Our shop had proper industrial equipment, which meant it was also extremely dangerous. Most of it was surplus or retired government machinery. The radial-arm saw is still one of my favorites.
What tape measure? The $100 got my attention first! What a distraction from a beautiful old DeWalt saw. Thanks for bringing back the memories of these old machines. I find it fascinating when I find them in the basements of old buildings in Los Angeles. The people that used to operate all these buildings, used to be true craftsmen. Union Bank Plaza was finished in 1965 and had a crew of specialists in trades. An electrician, a plumber, a carpenter, a painter, an air conditioning/refrigeration guy, and a locksmith. They only worked in their field. Now one of the people in these buildings has to know about all of their jobs. No on uses a drill press anymore or the radial saw abandoned in the back somewhere. In the 90's OSHA put the kibosh on these old tools. The one thing that gets me though, these guys still use those tagged out grinders with improper guards on them.
Probably the first fair assessment of the RAS. That GR definitely has an issue with the motor. I think you could get 3 phase motors on that model. I think the DeWalt peaked in the mid 50’s: solid machines with the best motors.
As somebody that regularly uses these saws, and has dealt with the kickback from them more times than I like, I 100000000000% recommend adding a safety stop to it. You may not need it, but you’ll be glad to have it if you do.
Weirdly enough in my high school shop class, nobody ever lost anything to the radial arm saw. It was the jointer that likes to joint fingers.
I learned woodworking on my Dad's Craftsman radial arm saw and you're right, you definitely have to get comfortable with the pull. He remodeled the entire house including building 40+ custom cabinets for the kitchen, bathrooms and basement. Compound miters became popular after that and that's all I've ever had in my own shop but he still does everything with the radial arm and has never had a miter saw in his shop.
I am of an age where I was raised on the radial arm saw. I have owned a number of them and is still my saw of choice. Using this type of saw requires extreme adherence to safety and concentration. For a beginner to acquire this type of saw, I would suggest finding an old Craftsman 10". Very few people know that there is still a recall in effect where a free safety blade guard and table top will be shipped to you for free. (Tip) - Once you have the new table top and blade guard installed place a sacrificial malemine piece on top of the table there by not damaging the new top.
They will also send you money for proving you destroyed it. Part of a class action. I sold mine for less than the check, because preserving the tool is more important.
the motor on the dewalt is certainly a 240v, it shows all the symtoms of a 220v motor running on 110v
That’s awesome I have a 1943 delta Rockwell that was my grandfathers. Thing cuts like a dream just needs a little love. This was my first saw and have used it for 8 years now
I'm a wood Machinist in the uk and I love using the radial arm saw for cross cuts and trenching/dados
The absolute best machine for repetitive cuts!
I went to carpentry school in 1990. Every piece of equipment was from England and was manufactured in the early 60's. Each floor mounted piece weighed close to 1000 pounds. It was quite an impressive shop both in terms of equipment and size. The radial arm saw had a 20" blade. The teacher set it up to demonstrate how dangerous ripping with it could be if you didn't know how to do it properly. When he fed a 2' long piece of 2x4 into it the wrong direction it flew 20' across the room like a bullet and took a chunk out of the solid concrete wall it hit. That saw was only ever allowed to be used for 90 degree cross cutting.
I've got an old DeWalt cast iron radial arm saw that one of my brothers-in-law picked up for like $50 at a garage sale. I have it
set up just for cross-cutting and use it to cut 8-foot boards down to a manageable length. It is SO much easier than fooling with a circular saw and certainly easier than trying to cross-cut anything that long on a table saw. But I would never consider using it for anything other than cross-cuts.
I used to buy my hardwoods from a dealer who had a huge old radial arm saw and that puppy had some power behind it. It would easily cross-cut several 4/4 boards at a time. It was LOUD and took forever to finally stop spinning.
We got a big radial arm saw to cut aluminium extrusion (50x360mm) and modified it to be more safe, first we built a big alloy housing around the saw, added a square backstop, added a pneumatic ram to the saw so it slowly slides out and in with a simple lever and pneumatic rams that clamp the material in place when you cut
I think John knew to not say anything negative about the radial arm saw after his shop smith review 😂. Lots of fun. Groovy job
Back in the 70's, our high school shop had red marks painted on the tools that had taken off fingers. Or caused serious injury. I think the band saw had about 7 or 8 of them. And the shop teacher was missing most of the first two fingers on his right hand. For emphasis, he would often point at things with the nubs.
I had my own joinery business. My main machine was a DW125 radial arm saw . I used it for all tenant cuts and bevels . I still have my moulding blocks and cutters. I'm retired now and sold everything but i do miss these toys .
Replacing that motor would be tricky, but having it rewound is possible. I grew up repairing pneumatic and electric tools and worked on quite a few saws that had long run down times. That auto stop function can be annoying at times but it serves an important safety purpose.
You really should do woodworking classes. With your humor and knowledge I'd definitely take a class from you because I know I would truly listen and learn. 👏🏾👏🏾
That was quite brave of you cutting a 4" tall board with 3/4" fence. You got balls man. I had a 50's era craftsman 30+ years ago and I almost gave up woodworking because I spent about half of my time tuning up my saw every time I moved the saw out of square.
I ran one of these for 2 years in a prefab shop. Lots of cuts, no incidents! Keep the digits off the cut line, you'll be fine!
Awesome! I have an old 60s Yuba Tool Works radial arm saw as well as an old Rockwell Delta tablesaw. Love those old tools. Radials can do some pretty amazing stuff, I have a drill chuck and a thickness sander that work on mine, along with a box of other adapter things. It has the arbor for putting the saw blade on, as well as a short shaft out the other end of the head to attach the drill chuck. The chuck will take router bits, shaper heads, and a Wagner Safe-T-Planer. That second shaft is key, it unlocks all kinds of other add ons, there's a pulley you can mount so you can use the motor to drive other things via a standard V belt. Mine does all the same movements as the second one, but is sized closer to the first. It's been a bit since I used mine, but I don't think mine even has a brake on the blade. Takes just as long to wind down. Older units like mine have some incredible flexibility and are rock solid, much more accurate than the Delta.. Seeing it used to make tenons makes me want to dust mine off and try that out....
That motor on the second saw sucks, but it probably is repairable. Maybe a bad winding, worn out capacitors, centrifugal switch, etc. All are replaceable or repairable and cheaper than buying a new motor.
My grandfather still has his Craftsman industrial set up in the shop with a Delta dust collection setup modified to fit it. Made many cuts with that before I ever used a miter saw.
you can stop that arm sway by not buying a Delta.
Graduated in '09. Woodworking class, there were two tools we were not allowed to touch, the radial arm saw, and the router (a kid the year before me ripped a nice chunk of a finger off on the router table). But the radial saw was never set up for anything but basic crosscutting so it didn't make sense to me.
I just bought one of these. The Delta ones. All of them are welded like that from the factory. The large handle of the front is to lock the miter in place and the smaller is to release the detent
The reason people think Radial arm saws are dangerous is because they don’t know how to use them properly. They have not taken the time to read the manual nor did they take the time to learn on the saw, they just buy it and think it’s like every other saw out there and start to use it without the knowledge of how to use it. Case in point, I was helping my brother do the hardy board siding on his house, my other brother decided to help us, he wanted to cut material while we installed, I saw that he was pulling the blade through the material to fast, I told him to be careful and I told him the blade will walk up on top of the material if he does that, he told me he knows what he’s doing, well two cuts later the saw walks up on top of the material and after getting his blood pressure back down, he started cutting with more care.
I love my Craftsman 12" RAS. Got it from my father-in-law that got it from his uncle. I use it all the time for cross cuts. Better than my miter saw in terms of cut depth. At least 12" cross cut! No lack of power on mine. Respect the tool and you can get a lot done. The last demo you did at 27:00+ is not a proper representation of RAS. At least not mine. Mine is a beast!
One of my friend's dad was a carpenter and he had one in his garage. It was the first power tool I used when I was about 10. I didn't really think it was dangerous. We cut firewood with a 2 foot exposed blade hooked to a tractor. That was the one my dad wouldn't let me near, until I got older.
I’m 70 years old and used Radial Arm saw since I was 15 now it’s dominant in my shop and a worm drive skill,12 in compound slider miter saw is my basic. It’s safe and you can get the JessEm or board buddies for ripping I mainly now will crosscut or rip only now. I use saw saw and jigsaw a lot especially for metal.
I miss the radial arm saw my dad had. It was a mid to late 70’s craftsman. It was awesome.
My dad has 1. He taught me everything about it and everything that it can do with all the extra accessories that are made for it
I just wanted to say, I grew up around my dads Craftsman (I think 3 hp) radial arm saw. That thing was an absolute power house, and had some really cool features one of them being a resistance setting. It had a trigger and scroll wheel on the handle you could set, and without the trigger pulled, the saw head would not move. You could set the speed with the scroll wheel and pull the trigger and it would only pull as fast as it was set to. You could put your body weight into that saw, but it would move at one steady pace according to the setting. I also feel like i remember it would auto home itself to the back of the machine when you let go, so it would always sit furthest away from the user. No doubt a dangerous saw, but arent they all? I loved using that radial arm saw when i was older.