Certainly some of the Key Parts. I really love how they did the whole Ben, Leia, and Han dynamic. I legit got excited when I heard Han's voice and how they explained it was just his memory, but it still affected him. Then it was his mother again that stayed his hand. but this time it was in time. There are flaws, but the good way outperforms the bad. :D
Love it! Two things I've noticed about Ben. One, he's never had those yellow-orange evil eyes. And Two, the scar on Ben's face is where his father last touched him.
I'm seeing a lot of people saying " The Rise of the Skywalker Title is related to Rey becoming or being a Skywalker". But They're forgetting about Kylo Ren\Ben Solo. By Title, I think It's Ben being redeem as his Grandfather (Vader) and living up to his family's legacy as he becomes The New Skywalker. You can still see Ben is not completely lose to the dark side, especially when Snoke told him in TLJ " I still see parts of your father in you"
I get so emotional when I think about the fact that literally *as Ben killed Han* Han was thinking about how much he loved his son. I feel like this is such a great message for kids (especially teens/young adults) who may have "destroyed" their relationships with family members/disappointed them etc... the fact that a father loved his son even as he did something awful. It's great that kids can see that things can be repaired and they can come back from a bad place :)
What a lot of people don't realise was that Ben/Kylo didn't kill out of hatred or pure evil. And yes patricide is horrifying but at the end of the day Ben still lost his father whom he did still love and he was grief-stricken and traumatised. There should've been a point in the trilogy where his loss was acknowledged.
Hey all, this is part one of my thoughts on Ben Solo and his redemption. If you enjoy it, please leave a thumbs up! If you're new around here, please sub! Huge thanks to Mandalorian Business for letting me use his art. Thanks to girls with sabers too for double checking some writing! 😍 Enjoy, ATAT
A few things: 1. I also interpreted Luke’s act in TLJ as a way to let Kylo take out his anger on him, and that’s probably why it’s my favourite scene in the movie (and why I keep bringing it up to my friends as evidence for bendemption). Luke doesn’t forgive him because he knows that it’s not what Kylo needs to hear. He’s a grown ass man, he needs to be SHOWN just how faulty his own logic is. Kill the past? Haha nope, because if you strike me down in anger I’ll always be with you-just like your father. It’s such a clever bit of writing because it didn’t play out like any of Luke’s interactions with Vader. Half the fan base is suggesting that this is his final push to the dark side, but this is exactly what he needs to return to the light. He needs to take time to re-evaluate his own life choices. And Rey will play a role there-what he did on the Destroyer and Crait pissed her off immensely, but he didn’t end the movie seeing her as an enemy, he was just depressed. I think in episode 9 as long as they can properly toe that line and not make him obsessive about Rey, she can serve as the impetus for his redemption while still making it 100% his own decision. (Sorry Im rambling a bit bendemption is so much fun to speculate about) 2. I have seen rumours that Harrison Ford was seen on set, so you might really be onto something (Though I myself am into the idea of force ghost Luke trolling the shit out of him) 3. In the end, Ben needs to be the one to reevaluate his own life choices and join the light. I think that’s the only way for me to buy it, and it’s the best way to ensure that redemption=death won’t happen and he can go wandering a bit instead
Wow, great video! I think Ben is such an interesting character in the SW galaxy, possibly one of the most interesting characters in the franchise in my opinion. Cant wait for part 2.
More than anything I just want Ben to survive Episode 9. He has a better chance of doing that if he embraces the light so that's what I hope happens. I just want the sad lost boy to find his way home after suffering for so long.
Miranda the only thing I’ll say to this and yes, it’s subjection so nobody please take offense to this it’s simply my opinion - the difference in the PT trilogy love story and the ST hints at one are like night and day (yin/yang ;)) it’s so much more nuanced - written better , acted and directed better and better on every other level. The only hints of a similarity would be some thematic ones personally that I don’t see much of ( I would love to be proven wrong) so people , men in particular. Don’t hate romance. I am not ashamed at all to say the notebook - casino royals romantic aspects (and the whole movie - my god that movie is a modern masterpiece) gone with the wind, Casablanca, wuthering heights, blue valentine, the list goes on. I’m as straight as they come and an slightly conservative politically - i don’t know why that would matter but it does to some people and yes I think titanic is great. Love doesn’t turn men off - it’s when it’s done with an ounce of cheese- another example of great love aspects in a movie is inception. There’s very few great movies that don’t have an aspect of love in them
@@sjs9869 You know what I like the way you think, you got pretty good taste as far as the classics go in fact oddly enough I think studying the classics in film and literature is a more unique way of critiquing and analyzing the star wars saga without just the usual never ending and quite frankly boring click bait that just sounds like a bunch of parrots in the rain forest waiting for food. And uh not offended in the least.
Hey, big fan! Just wanted to say you are getting better and better with each release, and I would be all for you doing more video essays. Video essays are awesome and a lot of people would love to hear your voice if you structured your videos like this one, professional, with a purpose, and in a video essay type of format. Just an idea, I love your channel, Noah
Appreciate the insight! I've definitely been enjoying these much more. I do still make a few other kinds of content 😉 but I'm glad you are enjoying this. May the force be with you, Noah!
Great video! I look forward to the next part. I also agree that Han is going to play a continuing role in Ben’s story. You mentioned that Snoke had lost confidence in his apprentice by TLJ. I think another important part of the equation is that Kylo/Ben had begun to doubt Snoke! We get that comment he makes in TFA to Han, “The Supreme Leader is wise.” We know from TLJ novelization that Snoke has been influencing him since as early as his childhood. But I believe the realization that killing Han did not give him resolution of his conflict, as Snoke had assured him, made Kylo begin to doubt Snoke. I know I read something to that effect in some pre-TLJ press, but I don’t know the exact source. I think it was an interview with Adam Driver, where he talked about Kylo starting to have ambitions of his own, not just blindly following Snoke. Yet TFA related press had him talking about Kylo as almost a religious fanatic in his beliefs. So IMO, Han’s death caused Kylo to really question what Snoke was selling him, in addition to his greater personal conflict. I am so excited for The Rise of Skywalker! Like you I don’t know what is going to be the final push Kylo/Ben needs to change his direction. I think he has to learn some truths about Anakin/Vader and yes, I believe Han still has a role to play.
Excellent theory. I agree regarding his need for forgiveness and acceptance as being what’s needed to ultimately pull him to the light. Also, I (or we) often assume the Knights of REN are in the service of Kylo. What if the last name is shared by all of the knights. As a way to show their brotherhood and sisterhood to one another. Like some dark side version of the “Knights of the Eucharist,” “Knights of Columbus,” the Templar Knights, etc..of which are considered a brotherhood. Even some warrior cultures and Samurai have been known to share this practice.
YES. Yes to everything you said. All brilliant points, extremely well presented. To me, The Rise of Skywalker alludes to Ben's Skywalker lineage shining past the darkness in Kylo Ren and truly bring him back into the Light. An act of love TOWARDS him to push him over the edge - and perhaps an act of love BY him to cement his redemption? So much to think about! I'm new to your channel, but I'm thoroughly enjoying every single video and I can't wait to watch more. I only wish these were podcasts I could listen to on the go! Eagerly awaiting part 2.
Seeing that you were right for 99% of this, just makes me think about how true and faithful to his arc the choice of redeeming Kylo was. Idk but to me it just felt right especially in the way it was done
I cannot wait to see how it all goes down!! I love that it’s so wide open and we can’t figure out what exactly is going to happen. I hope the full trailer keeps us in the dark because us smart people already know redemption is coming but it would ruin the surprise of the how and when. Oh! It’s going to be so good!!!
THAT WAS SUCH AN INTERESTING AND WELL THOUGHT OUT ANALOGY THANK YOU FOR THAT!! I honestly just feel like rey being the skywalker would be such a generic and boring thing to do-- especially when we literally have a skywalker RIGHT there who is clearly conflicted about the light. It would so much more of an interesting turn. Also what I found interesting about Ben Solo is the fact that we were literally shown how conflicted he was in the VERY FIRST movie-- whereas with Vader he wasn't really shown to have much conflict until the last movie. It just screams to me that they're trying to set something up. People might just call me a desperate bendemptionist and reylo at this point, but everything they've set up in the first two movies has to count for something. I don't believe that it's too late for him to turn back. Thank you again for this interesting analogy, I can't wait for part 2!! :)
Tekka, just like Han, died trying to pull Ben back out of Kylo Ren. It's like all these characters (Rey and Leia included) know, on an ineffable level, that Ben is redeemable. I mean, they've been going on about it for two movies straight (so maybe it's not that ineffable after all 😉). It would be jarring to leave Kylo alive and kill off Ben in ep 9. So yeah, Bendemptiooooooon 😁. AT-AT Chat, greaaaaat video 👏👏👏
I firmly believe Kylo was avoiding Han in *that* scene, if you watch the scene again, you see Kylo look in the direction of Han when Han was hiding only a few feet away from him, he lingers for a second and then turns away and walks in the opposite direction... Kylo is extremely powerful in the force, he sensed his father only 5 minutes earlier when he turned and said “...Han Solo...” which means he 100% could sense his fathers presence when he was only a few feet away from him, he knew Han was there and he chose to turn and walk the other way because he knew if he confronted his father there was no way out of that confrontation without killing him, as Snoke would have read his mind and found out... so when Han yells “Ben!” Kylo literally stops dead in his tracks and knows, this is it, I bet he closed his eyes under the mask in grief the second he heard his name... Han’s actions got him killed, Kylo was not looking to kill him until he was confronted by his father and in his eyes was left with no choice... “I know what I have to do but I don’t know if I have the strength to do it...”
It’s so funny hearing people say they hated how he took off his helmet - it’s such a 10 year old comment and that’s no dig at 10 year olds - in fact I retract that statement it’s such a wannabe dude bro comment
Hard agree. Obviously I love his aesthetic. The while costume is fantastic. But he's not his costume. I feel like JJ intuitively knew he can't just do another Vader. So he went an interesting route. Make a character so broken and obsessed with Vader.....and then make him family. So good.
AT-AT Chat what some people don’t even realize is that his initial intent on orders from Snoke was to hide his identity - so nobody knew he was Ben Solo
It's because a vast majority of the fan base, didn't understand the idea that everything about Kylo/Ben was supposed to portray this conflicted being. I feel like they pulled it off brilliantly too.
People say Kylo is a terrible villain. He's not intimidating, he's emotionally unstable, he lashes out too much and is too conflicted. And that's EXACTLY why I love him. He's trying so hard to be the big bad because of his abandonment issues but is failing because of the pull to the light. I love it and that's why i wanted Bendemtion. I feel like Kylo Ren is the mask. It's the role Ben is trying to play and its failing...
Wow this is turning into yet another great weekend got to see Endgame, a new Ben solo redemption video and our two moms “girls with sabers” drops a new livestream
Which I think is why they always intended for 9 to be the Leia movie - she is the parent who could relate to what he was going thru that Han couldn’t to not fault of his own
I believe that the promise Kylo gave Vaders Burnet helmet in TFA will be fullfilled. Ben will finish what Anakin started and defeat Palpatine finally. Although I do not think that Palpatine will return in human form.
He could have a fate similar to reavan where after the events of nine (if he is redeemed) goes hunting for the true evil in the unknown regions cus if he is redeemed I doubt people would like him just being alive without punishment
I never thought of Han being the catalyst to Kylos redemption but it makes total sense. It echos Darth Vader and Luke. I just can’t figure out how they get there. Catching up on your videos. Love your thoughtful comments ..and enjoyed your rap vid 🥳
They used footage of Carrie Fisher cut from the "Force Awakens" and Billy Dee Williams is back in the picture. I'm glad they didn't go with the whole CGI thing for Princess Leia. Not sure how I feel about D-0 the "duck like" droid.
I love what you go on about in relation to Ben Solo receiving forgiveness from his main parental figures growing up. Leia, Luke and Han. I think we'll get that Han Solo moment in The Rise of Skywalker even if we cannot actually get Han Solo himself in the film. It'll be the catalyst that pushes him onto the path of redemption, maybe even reconciliation with Luke Skywalker will relate to it too, who knows. We'll see in a week regardless.
One thing I don’t understand is how people say he “threw away all his light side and has no redemption arc now”. Because he..... tried following thru by trying to kill Luke whom he still thinks tried to kill him after what happened in the throne room, as if he’s not emotional and says things spontaneously
He could not pull the trigger on his mom - he helped Rey - he goes deeper a bit about not hating his dad at all - the rest of the movie is about him simply doing his job as now superme leader Ren - this will change my theory is he tries to wipe out both the first order and possibly maybe the resistance - his heart was rejected he thinks even tho he’s know he’s wrong )
Hey @AT-AT just want to finally give your channel some love and wanted to ask you if you were familiar with DragonBall Z and if you are do you agree that the character Vegeta had the most compelling and impactful arc since he ended up having the same thing as Goku which was love and a family. I thought the question was relevant given the chosen topic for this vid?
@@ATATChat More so when we are first introduced to him and how over the course of episodes and seasons he has a slow burning arc but luckily it's only 3 movies for Ben lol. Oh and Girls With Sabers brought me to you. They really speak highly of you man 👍
Ren, to the Knights of Ren is actually the lightsaber itself. They are a dark side cult who worship said lightsaber. So whoever leads the KoR automatically will have Ren in his title and be the only one to wield a lightsaber.
Kylo Ren and Knights of Ren. Someone probably said this but they may be related to House Wren of Mandalore. Their helmets seem like a deviation of Mandalorian design. I hope the choreography and stunts become more refined with Episode IX.
U are - hundred percent Right about Hans death being a huge part of bens redemption IF he comes Back. It will make Hans death even more impactful and on repeat viewings 10x more heartbreaking in the best way possible. To think that the father who could never live up to being a father ends up doing the most fatherly thing to end all fatherly deeds. He trusted his son enough to come around in the end, no matter the decision he made in that moment. That is so powerful, and what a message to send. It does so many things for the narrative of Hans death is a big catalyst for his redemption , first and foremost it makes Hans death not in vein, it makes Rey’s decision not to kill him in TFA not in vein, it makes Leia asking Han to bring Ben back not in vein, it makes Luke not fully giving up on Ben at the end of TLJ not in vein - the list goes on. I also Can’t help but to think maybe they deleted the scene of Ben in the cockpit of the falcon because they plan on doing a similar scene with a flashback in 9 and they didn’t want to play that card twice. Thoughts? FYI I’m starting a TH-cam channel soon, and I’ll let u know the name of it if you are ever interested in having a convo
Leia wanted Vader dead. Even more she believed that he is an irredeemable monster But her brother's actions proved otherwise. Thus she has hope. She knows that as long as there is someone who believes in the good in him and he loves her, his redemption is inevitable.
It's because Kylo nor Snoke were Sith. Snoke believed there was a benefit to using the light side as well and naturally he passed it on to Kylo. That is why neither of them had yellow eyes nor did either of them hold the title of Darth!
I've read a leak about Luke's and Han Solo's force ghost at the end of ep9. That means Luke became so strong that he can project non-force users as a "ghost"?
So, what's going on with this is that Kylo Ren uses his emotional turbulence for killing his father to keep him aligjned in the darkness. He feels like he's does something unforgivable. So Luke manipulates a vision from Darth vaders mask to show a vision of Han saying he always has forgiven Ben and he can always come home.
Ya being a fandom menacer I get annoyed that a lot on my side are so anti ST they can’t accept the precedent with anakin/Vader, that kylo could be redeemed. Some say he destroys 5 planets instead of one and committed patricide as opposed to anakin not killing family so he can’t be redeemed. You don’t have to like kylo or the ST, I don’t but I try to be rational. I think kylos helmet will be tied to the acolytes of the beyond and his helmet is actually important, that it’s a dark side heirloom that has a presence or power, that’s the only way I can see it being important to rebuild it, other wise just recast it or make a new one.
I don’t think the story shows Kylo being involved with the destruction of the Hosnian system. Starkiller Base was Hux’s baby. That is one reason they don’t have him present when Hux delivers his big speech. Kylo is a silent witness to that destruction, watching it from the deck of the Finalizer. And when Snoke gives the command to prepare Starkiller to fire on D’Qar, Kylo protests. The novelization adds further clarity to these actions.
But perhaps the most important thing is what Snoke says to Kylo Ren/ Ben Solo in the throne room. You have too much of your father's heart in you young Solo. Ben is a lot like this father Han. Han's backstory both in Legends and cannon shows a sense of abandonment . Han the orphan left all alone. This is why the last name is given as Solo in Solo a Star Wars Story. Now I agree it sounds stupid that an imperial officer gave that name to Han. But as I watched that scene I began to understand. Listen to the scene: " "What's your name son?" Han responds , " Han". The imperial asks " Han what? Who are your people? " Han responds " I have no people, I'm alone." The imperial office types and says "Solo?" approved . " Of course this is cannon now " In legends he found out this through a female wookie who had the heart to find out who Han was and who were his parents.". In a way a sense of identity and belonging. He was also out of for himself. Beckett tells young Han assume everyone will betray you and you will never be disappointed . For Ben Solo in the beginning he adored his father began because he was the great rebel hero of the alliance. But like all sons they discover the fathers flaws which usually lead to disappointment. Ben had a sense of abandonment because at time his father was never around. When he sent him to Luke the sense of abandonment become complete. During this time Snoke began to manipulate Ben Solo which would lead him down the road to the darkside. Much like Palpatine manipulated Anakin. The father figure here of course was Obi Wan who promises Quigon to train Anakin. Obi wan was both Jedi master and father figure to Anakin. Like in the beginning Anakin looks up to Obi Wan. But as time passes and Palpatine manipulates Anakin and vision of the Jedi changes. He falls in love with Padme and marries her. At the same time he loses his mother and begins to fall deeper and deeper to the darkside. In the end Palpatine convinces Anakin , but not until Anakin discovers that Palpatine was the Sith lord they were looking for. He brings the Jedi in Palpatine quarters to place him under arrest. Of course the Jedi were killed and Anakin's fall to the Darkside was complete. Palpatine sent Anakin to hunt down the rest of the Jedi. Obi Wan finds out and tells Padme what Anakin has done. He also finds out that Padme is pregnant. When Anakin comes back to see Padme he had discovered Obi Wan was on ship Padme was on. He senses that Obi Wan had betray him and they both square off in a duel. At the end Obi wan cuts down Anakin but does not kill him. He leaves him behind. Palpatine of course would come to rescue Anakin. To save Anakin he created the mask and the armor that would allow him to breath. Hence the image of Darth Vader was born. It's interest that when Luke says in Return of the Jedi He sense good in him. Obi Wan says he 's more machine than man. In TFA Han says there is too much Vader in him referring to their son Ben. We know Luke helps his father and eventually brings him back. He was eventually redeemed . Han of course was not so lucky he was cut down by his son. But I think if there is to be any redemption there must be remorse. A sense of forgiveness. Specially from Ben Solo's father Han. The second is the ultimate self sacrifice . To face off the ultimate evil. This may result in Kylo Ren/ Ben Solo's death. Sometimes that's what redemption means. But we have to see what happens. If ben Solo is to be redeemed he should look in the mirror at his own father. When we meet Han in the Trilogy he is a selfish out for himself scoundrel . This was a result of betrayals of the people he considered his friends. HIs parents left him alone orphaned. A sense of abandonment. In the end he had one true friend Chewie who stood with him. At the end of the original trilogy he completed his redemption that the friends and the woman that love did not abandoned. him. He went from Selfish to selfless. But there is also one more redemption that will redeem father and son. Ben's Redemption may be key. We'll see.
Wait till his dads friends shows up. Over 50 years Han , and Lando made lot of friends mercenary, pirates, I kinda even look for hell's angels show up. Lol. And Rityus will give Ben problems too.
Episode 9 is called “Rise Of Skywalker” Luke is Dead Carrie Fisher has passed on, so Leia would most likely not show up much Rey is definitely not a Skywalker Ben is the only Skywalker left, so hopefully Ben would turn back to the light side
Sorry, I am just not seeing Kyle Ron as a true villain, but neither is he a true hero. He is just some lost "kid" -- not a man of 29 or 30. He wallows in his tantrums but wants respect and for people to fear him. What he's really after is attention and approval from his parents.
I think your actually kind of right. But to me, what makes him dangerous and obviously a wannabe villian is the fact he has committed heinous crimes. But, he's trying to be badass. Rather than actually being badass. If that makes sense?
In his defence he's never really grown up due to trauma and neglect. Even though his parents loved him unconditionally they weren't really in his life. Again it's why he's always looking to false father figures like Vader or Snoke. Similar to how Rey looked to Luke and Han as father figures.
Wow. I got a lot of these correct. 👀🤷♀️
Certainly some of the Key Parts. I really love how they did the whole Ben, Leia, and Han dynamic. I legit got excited when I heard Han's voice and how they explained it was just his memory, but it still affected him. Then it was his mother again that stayed his hand. but this time it was in time.
There are flaws, but the good way outperforms the bad. :D
Your videos are fucking timeless. Subbed.
I'm only watching this now after seen tros twice. Jesus man you nailed it. Fair play
Fuck'n good work.
You did, thumbs up for you
Love it!
Two things I've noticed about Ben. One, he's never had those yellow-orange evil eyes. And Two, the scar on Ben's face is where his father last touched him.
Thats true! Never thought of that.
I'm seeing a lot of people saying " The Rise of the Skywalker Title is related to Rey becoming or being a Skywalker". But They're forgetting about Kylo Ren\Ben Solo. By Title, I think It's Ben being redeem as his Grandfather (Vader) and living up to his family's legacy as he becomes The New Skywalker. You can still see Ben is not completely lose to the dark side, especially when Snoke told him in TLJ " I still see parts of your father in you"
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I get so emotional when I think about the fact that literally *as Ben killed Han* Han was thinking about how much he loved his son.
I feel like this is such a great message for kids (especially teens/young adults) who may have "destroyed" their relationships with family members/disappointed them etc... the fact that a father loved his son even as he did something awful. It's great that kids can see that things can be repaired and they can come back from a bad place :)
What a lot of people don't realise was that Ben/Kylo didn't kill out of hatred or pure evil. And yes patricide is horrifying but at the end of the day Ben still lost his father whom he did still love and he was grief-stricken and traumatised. There should've been a point in the trilogy where his loss was acknowledged.
Ben Solo, the Rise of Skywalker, Reylo is endgame! 😍💞 Love it!
Yessssss
Not a fan of Reylo, but technically it’s been set-up soo
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What is up my imperial man
@@hodor9851 I'm living the imperial life. A good honor it is! Long live Sheev.
@@ATATChat defiant!
@@ATATChat Emperor and Empress Solo is endgame.
A few things:
1. I also interpreted Luke’s act in TLJ as a way to let Kylo take out his anger on him, and that’s probably why it’s my favourite scene in the movie (and why I keep bringing it up to my friends as evidence for bendemption). Luke doesn’t forgive him because he knows that it’s not what Kylo needs to hear. He’s a grown ass man, he needs to be SHOWN just how faulty his own logic is. Kill the past? Haha nope, because if you strike me down in anger I’ll always be with you-just like your father.
It’s such a clever bit of writing because it didn’t play out like any of Luke’s interactions with Vader. Half the fan base is suggesting that this is his final push to the dark side, but this is exactly what he needs to return to the light. He needs to take time to re-evaluate his own life choices. And Rey will play a role there-what he did on the Destroyer and Crait pissed her off immensely, but he didn’t end the movie seeing her as an enemy, he was just depressed. I think in episode 9 as long as they can properly toe that line and not make him obsessive about Rey, she can serve as the impetus for his redemption while still making it 100% his own decision. (Sorry Im rambling a bit bendemption is so much fun to speculate about)
2. I have seen rumours that Harrison Ford was seen on set, so you might really be onto something
(Though I myself am into the idea of force ghost Luke trolling the shit out of him)
3. In the end, Ben needs to be the one to reevaluate his own life choices and join the light. I think that’s the only way for me to buy it, and it’s the best way to ensure that redemption=death won’t happen and he can go wandering a bit instead
The Rise of Ben Solo = The Rise of Skywalker
Yep! That's where my head's at. I bet I'll be dead wrong but I can hope!
Wow, great video! I think Ben is such an interesting character in the SW galaxy, possibly one of the most interesting characters in the franchise in my opinion. Cant wait for part 2.
I love Kylo. Such a great character.
Your right Rey is the only one who hasn’t given up, but you forgot to include ... us..:”The Ben Solo Redemption Squad”. Yes I came up with that.
More than anything I just want Ben to survive Episode 9. He has a better chance of doing that if he embraces the light so that's what I hope happens. I just want the sad lost boy to find his way home after suffering for so long.
#BringBenHome
#SaveBenSolo
#NoonesEverReallyGone
“What’s is “Star Wars” if not a space fantasy revolved around love in redemption” that’s all that needs to be said and posted all around.
Amen
Miranda the only thing I’ll say to this and yes, it’s subjection so nobody please take offense to this it’s simply my opinion - the difference in the PT trilogy love story and the ST hints at one are like night and day (yin/yang ;)) it’s so much more nuanced - written better , acted and directed better and better on every other level. The only hints of a similarity would be some thematic ones personally that I don’t see much of ( I would love to be proven wrong) so people , men in particular. Don’t hate romance. I am not ashamed at all to say the notebook - casino royals romantic aspects (and the whole movie - my god that movie is a modern masterpiece) gone with the wind, Casablanca, wuthering heights, blue valentine, the list goes on. I’m as straight as they come and an slightly conservative politically - i don’t know why that would matter but it does to some people and yes I think titanic is great. Love doesn’t turn men off - it’s when it’s done with an ounce of cheese- another example of great love aspects in a movie is inception. There’s very few great movies that don’t have an aspect of love in them
@@sjs9869 You know what I like the way you think, you got pretty good taste as far as the classics go in fact oddly enough I think studying the classics in film and literature is a more unique way of critiquing and analyzing the star wars saga without just the usual never ending and quite frankly boring click bait that just sounds like a bunch of parrots in the rain forest waiting for food. And uh not offended in the least.
I do have some big problems with the sequels but Ben Solo steals the show in each one for me.
Love this!!!!! Can't wait for part 2👍
*casually shows this to all my friends and family so that they can finally understand that I’m not crazy*
HAHA!
Hey, big fan! Just wanted to say you are getting better and better with each release, and I would be all for you doing more video essays. Video essays are awesome and a lot of people would love to hear your voice if you structured your videos like this one, professional, with a purpose, and in a video essay type of format. Just an idea, I love your channel, Noah
Appreciate the insight! I've definitely been enjoying these much more. I do still make a few other kinds of content 😉 but I'm glad you are enjoying this.
May the force be with you, Noah!
I second this! 👌
ArmindaHeart Thank you!
I really hope he gets redeemed! ❤️💙❤️💙❤️💙💙💙💙💙💙❤️
Great video! I look forward to the next part. I also agree that Han is going to play a continuing role in Ben’s story. You mentioned that Snoke had lost confidence in his apprentice by TLJ. I think another important part of the equation is that Kylo/Ben had begun to doubt Snoke! We get that comment he makes in TFA to Han, “The Supreme Leader is wise.” We know from TLJ novelization that Snoke has been influencing him since as early as his childhood. But I believe the realization that killing Han did not give him resolution of his conflict, as Snoke had assured him, made Kylo begin to doubt Snoke.
I know I read something to that effect in some pre-TLJ press, but I don’t know the exact source. I think it was an interview with Adam Driver, where he talked about Kylo starting to have ambitions of his own, not just blindly following Snoke. Yet TFA related press had him talking about Kylo as almost a religious fanatic in his beliefs. So IMO, Han’s death caused Kylo to really question what Snoke was selling him, in addition to his greater personal conflict.
I am so excited for The Rise of Skywalker! Like you I don’t know what is going to be the final push Kylo/Ben needs to change his direction. I think he has to learn some truths about Anakin/Vader and yes, I believe Han still has a role to play.
Excellent theory. I agree regarding his need for forgiveness and acceptance as being what’s needed to ultimately pull him to the light. Also, I (or we) often assume the Knights of REN are in the service of Kylo. What if the last name is shared by all of the knights. As a way to show their brotherhood and sisterhood to one another. Like some dark side version of the “Knights of the Eucharist,” “Knights of Columbus,” the Templar Knights, etc..of which are considered a brotherhood. Even some warrior cultures and Samurai have been known to share this practice.
YES. Yes to everything you said. All brilliant points, extremely well presented. To me, The Rise of Skywalker alludes to Ben's Skywalker lineage shining past the darkness in Kylo Ren and truly bring him back into the Light. An act of love TOWARDS him to push him over the edge - and perhaps an act of love BY him to cement his redemption? So much to think about! I'm new to your channel, but I'm thoroughly enjoying every single video and I can't wait to watch more. I only wish these were podcasts I could listen to on the go! Eagerly awaiting part 2.
Seeing that you were right for 99% of this, just makes me think about how true and faithful to his arc the choice of redeeming Kylo was. Idk but to me it just felt right especially in the way it was done
Yessssss bendemption👏👏👏💪💪💪💪💪😎😎😎🤗😍
Yes! 💯
The "Kylo" part is a combination of pieces of "Skywalker" and "Solo", and I've heard "Ren" is short for "renegade".
Yes. YES to all of this! I look forward to part 2
You literally hit the nail on the head and pretty much everything you said was on point nice bro!
Absolute perfection!!!
Okay you're definitely my favorite star wars theorie channel! 😊
Kylo Ren I - I can see why they made the snl shoot about his character but my god is he a good character
Great video! You are definitely on to something. Kylo Ren is such a complex character!
I cannot wait to see how it all goes down!! I love that it’s so wide open and we can’t figure out what exactly is going to happen. I hope the full trailer keeps us in the dark because us smart people already know redemption is coming but it would ruin the surprise of the how and when. Oh! It’s going to be so good!!!
THAT WAS SUCH AN INTERESTING AND WELL THOUGHT OUT ANALOGY THANK YOU FOR THAT!! I honestly just feel like rey being the skywalker would be such a generic and boring thing to do-- especially when we literally have a skywalker RIGHT there who is clearly conflicted about the light. It would so much more of an interesting turn. Also what I found interesting about Ben Solo is the fact that we were literally shown how conflicted he was in the VERY FIRST movie-- whereas with Vader he wasn't really shown to have much conflict until the last movie. It just screams to me that they're trying to set something up. People might just call me a desperate bendemptionist and reylo at this point, but everything they've set up in the first two movies has to count for something. I don't believe that it's too late for him to turn back. Thank you again for this interesting analogy, I can't wait for part 2!! :)
I always like your videos before even watching them because I know is good stuff. Keep it up with the amazing work!
Tekka, just like Han, died trying to pull Ben back out of Kylo Ren. It's like all these characters (Rey and Leia included) know, on an ineffable level, that Ben is redeemable. I mean, they've been going on about it for two movies straight (so maybe it's not that ineffable after all 😉). It would be jarring to leave Kylo alive and kill off Ben in ep 9.
So yeah, Bendemptiooooooon 😁.
AT-AT Chat, greaaaaat video 👏👏👏
I firmly believe Kylo was avoiding Han in *that* scene, if you watch the scene again, you see Kylo look in the direction of Han when Han was hiding only a few feet away from him, he lingers for a second and then turns away and walks in the opposite direction...
Kylo is extremely powerful in the force, he sensed his father only 5 minutes earlier when he turned and said “...Han Solo...” which means he 100% could sense his fathers presence when he was only a few feet away from him, he knew Han was there and he chose to turn and walk the other way because he knew if he confronted his father there was no way out of that confrontation without killing him, as Snoke would have read his mind and found out... so when Han yells “Ben!” Kylo literally stops dead in his tracks and knows, this is it, I bet he closed his eyes under the mask in grief the second he heard his name... Han’s actions got him killed, Kylo was not looking to kill him until he was confronted by his father and in his eyes was left with no choice...
“I know what I have to do but I don’t know if I have the strength to do it...”
It’s so funny hearing people say they hated how he took off his helmet - it’s such a 10 year old comment and that’s no dig at 10 year olds - in fact I retract that statement it’s such a wannabe dude bro comment
(In 7)
Hard agree. Obviously I love his aesthetic. The while costume is fantastic. But he's not his costume. I feel like JJ intuitively knew he can't just do another Vader. So he went an interesting route. Make a character so broken and obsessed with Vader.....and then make him family. So good.
It is lame with a capitol L. Comments like that get old before they even begin
AT-AT Chat what some people don’t even realize is that his initial intent on orders from Snoke was to hide his identity - so nobody knew he was Ben Solo
It's because a vast majority of the fan base, didn't understand the idea that everything about Kylo/Ben was supposed to portray this conflicted being. I feel like they pulled it off brilliantly too.
Perfect at 4:30 in the morning 👌👌👌👌👌
Haha
People say Kylo is a terrible villain. He's not intimidating, he's emotionally unstable, he lashes out too much and is too conflicted. And that's EXACTLY why I love him. He's trying so hard to be the big bad because of his abandonment issues but is failing because of the pull to the light. I love it and that's why i wanted Bendemtion. I feel like Kylo Ren is the mask. It's the role Ben is trying to play and its failing...
They don't like that he shows vulnerability, which is actually good character development. A lot of people forget that Vader wasn't that different.
Awesome 👏🏼 video #bendemption #reylo
Wow this is turning into yet another great weekend got to see Endgame, a new Ben solo redemption video and our two moms “girls with sabers” drops a new livestream
When he remove the mask, u see a prince. Prince alderaan
I could not agree more with ur comment about “you cannot sent what you come from” it’s a hint at what 9 is about with that title
Which I think is why they always intended for 9 to be the Leia movie - she is the parent who could relate to what he was going thru that Han couldn’t to not fault of his own
haha I never noticed how Kylo's unstable Lightsaber was a metaphor, cool!
Nicely presented (and edited)! 😊
Good to know some people still haven't forgotten what Star Wars is about. Great analysis!
EXCELENT VIDEO!!! AND TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU!!!
Yes, yes...YES! Yes to all of it! I totally agree with your take on what happens with HS, though I have a different theory on how that happens.
I believe that the promise Kylo gave Vaders Burnet helmet in TFA will be fullfilled.
Ben will finish what Anakin started and defeat Palpatine finally.
Although I do not think that Palpatine will return in human form.
He could have a fate similar to reavan where after the events of nine (if he is redeemed) goes hunting for the true evil in the unknown regions cus if he is redeemed I doubt people would like him just being alive without punishment
Buzz Boi placing my bets now that he’ll go to Jakku and reunite with Rey in her old home
Your videos are so insightful, I think imma cry, finally I found good content on the internet
Thanks 😊
I never thought of Han being the catalyst to Kylos redemption but it makes total sense. It echos Darth Vader and Luke. I just can’t figure out how they get there. Catching up on your videos. Love your thoughtful comments ..and enjoyed your rap vid 🥳
Hah! Oh my god. I forgot about that! I'm supposed to make a follow up. Maybe it's time. 😅
Wow you were so right with Han Solo !
Love love love and completely agree
They used footage of Carrie Fisher cut from the "Force Awakens" and Billy Dee Williams is back in the picture. I'm glad they didn't go with the whole CGI thing for Princess Leia. Not sure how I feel about D-0 the "duck like" droid.
I love what you go on about in relation to Ben Solo receiving forgiveness from his main parental figures growing up. Leia, Luke and Han. I think we'll get that Han Solo moment in The Rise of Skywalker even if we cannot actually get Han Solo himself in the film. It'll be the catalyst that pushes him onto the path of redemption, maybe even reconciliation with Luke Skywalker will relate to it too, who knows. We'll see in a week regardless.
your channel is a light in the darkness after tros, thank you so much and happy new year~
Dude you predicted the whole movie.. great job
One thing I don’t understand is how people say he “threw away all his light side and has no redemption arc now”. Because he..... tried following thru by trying to kill Luke whom he still thinks tried to kill him after what happened in the throne room, as if he’s not emotional and says things spontaneously
He could not pull the trigger on his mom - he helped Rey - he goes deeper a bit about not hating his dad at all - the rest of the movie is about him simply doing his job as now superme leader Ren - this will change my theory is he tries to wipe out both the first order and possibly maybe the resistance - his heart was rejected he thinks even tho he’s know he’s wrong )
AYEEEEEEEEE!!!! THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS!!! 🤘☝️👍🙌❤⚔💙
The video we need after yesterday, haha!
@@ATATChat Amen sir!
@@GirlsWithSabers consider us members of the Ben redemption squad. We're for redemption first, Reylo second meaning...(Drum roll) balance.
@@ATATChat at least we had avengers to cheer up
Bendemption squad holy trinity:
ATAT Chat
Girls with Sabers
Jenny Nicholson
Reylo is canon. Emperor and Empress Solo is endgame.
One thing - I’m pretty sure the mask
Was to hide his identity from
his enemies, after TFA he couldn’t really hide that fact anymore
U can correct me if I’m wrong but I think it states this in one of the dictionaries or art of books or novels or even possibly the novel for TFA
I loved it
Hey @AT-AT just want to finally give your channel some love and wanted to ask you if you were familiar with DragonBall Z and if you are do you agree that the character Vegeta had the most compelling and impactful arc since he ended up having the same thing as Goku which was love and a family. I thought the question was relevant given the chosen topic for this vid?
People keep telling me to watch that so I think I should, haha. I think I heard that its super similar to Ben Solo so that amps me up.
@@ATATChat More so when we are first introduced to him and how over the course of episodes and seasons he has a slow burning arc but luckily it's only 3 movies for Ben lol. Oh and Girls With Sabers brought me to you. They really speak highly of you man 👍
Ren, to the Knights of Ren is actually the lightsaber itself. They are a dark side cult who worship said lightsaber. So whoever leads the KoR automatically will have Ren in his title and be the only one to wield a lightsaber.
Kylo Ren and Knights of Ren. Someone probably said this but they may be related to House Wren of Mandalore. Their helmets seem like a deviation of Mandalorian design. I hope the choreography and stunts become more refined with Episode IX.
U are - hundred percent
Right about Hans death being a huge part of bens redemption IF he comes
Back. It will make Hans death even more impactful and on repeat viewings 10x more heartbreaking in the best way possible. To think that the father who could never live up to being a father ends up doing the most fatherly thing to end all fatherly deeds. He trusted his son enough to come around in the end, no matter the decision he made in that moment. That is so powerful, and what a message to send. It does so many things for the narrative of Hans death is a big catalyst for his redemption , first and foremost it makes Hans death not in vein, it makes Rey’s decision not to kill him in TFA not in vein, it makes Leia asking
Han to bring Ben back not in vein, it makes Luke not fully giving up on Ben at the end of TLJ not in vein - the list goes on. I also
Can’t help but to think maybe they deleted the scene of Ben in the cockpit of the falcon because they plan on doing a similar scene with a flashback in 9 and they didn’t want to play that card twice. Thoughts? FYI I’m starting a TH-cam channel soon, and I’ll let u know the name of it if you are ever interested in having a convo
i love this video sm
Leia wanted Vader dead. Even more she believed that he is an irredeemable monster
But her brother's actions proved otherwise. Thus she has hope. She knows that as long as there is someone who believes in the good in him and he loves her, his redemption is inevitable.
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Hearing Ben and redemption is reminding me of a certain TV show
You know I actually wrote a made up scene I came up with for episode 9 between leia and Ben that I sent to a friend a few months ago
So is that why Ben doesn't have Sith eyes.
It's because Kylo nor Snoke were Sith. Snoke believed there was a benefit to using the light side as well and naturally he passed it on to Kylo. That is why neither of them had yellow eyes nor did either of them hold the title of Darth!
I've read a leak about Luke's and Han Solo's force ghost at the end of ep9.
That means Luke became so strong that he can project non-force users as a "ghost"?
So, what's going on with this is that Kylo Ren uses his emotional turbulence for killing his father to keep him aligjned in the darkness. He feels like he's does something unforgivable. So Luke manipulates a vision from Darth vaders mask to show a vision of Han saying he always has forgiven Ben and he can always come home.
Ya being a fandom menacer I get annoyed that a lot on my side are so anti ST they can’t accept the precedent with anakin/Vader, that kylo could be redeemed. Some say he destroys 5 planets instead of one and committed patricide as opposed to anakin not killing family so he can’t be redeemed. You don’t have to like kylo or the ST, I don’t but I try to be rational. I think kylos helmet will be tied to the acolytes of the beyond and his helmet is actually important, that it’s a dark side heirloom that has a presence or power, that’s the only way I can see it being important to rebuild it, other wise just recast it or make a new one.
That would be sweet if the acolytes DO come back. I think you are on to something with them.
I don’t think the story shows Kylo being involved with the destruction of the Hosnian system. Starkiller Base was Hux’s baby. That is one reason they don’t have him present when Hux delivers his big speech. Kylo is a silent witness to that destruction, watching it from the deck of the Finalizer. And when Snoke gives the command to prepare Starkiller to fire on D’Qar, Kylo protests. The novelization adds further clarity to these actions.
It'd mean a lot more if Ben chose the light not just for the people he loves, but for himself as well.
Could the Ren part be referring to his light saber?
Now we know that's official. Ren is a name for a sith lightsaber.
But perhaps the most important thing is what Snoke says to Kylo Ren/ Ben Solo in the throne room. You have too much of your father's heart in you young Solo. Ben is a lot like this father Han. Han's backstory both in Legends and cannon shows a sense of abandonment . Han the orphan left all alone. This is why the last name is given as Solo in Solo a Star Wars Story. Now I agree it sounds stupid that an imperial officer gave that name to Han. But as I watched that scene I began to understand. Listen to the scene: " "What's your name son?" Han responds , " Han". The imperial asks " Han what? Who are your people? " Han responds " I have no people, I'm alone." The imperial office types and says "Solo?" approved . " Of course this is cannon now " In legends he found out this through a female wookie who had the heart to find out who Han was and who were his parents.". In a way a sense of identity and belonging. He was also out of for himself. Beckett tells young Han assume everyone will betray you and you will never be disappointed . For Ben Solo in the beginning he adored his father began because he was the great rebel hero of the alliance. But like all sons they discover the fathers flaws which usually lead to disappointment. Ben had a sense of abandonment because at time his father was never around. When he sent him to Luke the sense of abandonment become complete. During this time Snoke began to manipulate Ben Solo which would lead him down the road to the darkside. Much like Palpatine manipulated Anakin. The father figure here of course was Obi Wan who promises Quigon to train Anakin. Obi wan was both Jedi master and father figure to Anakin. Like in the beginning Anakin looks up to Obi Wan. But as time passes and Palpatine manipulates Anakin and vision of the Jedi changes. He falls in love with Padme and marries her. At the same time he loses his mother and begins to fall deeper and deeper to the darkside. In the end Palpatine convinces Anakin , but not until Anakin discovers that Palpatine was the Sith lord they were looking for. He brings the Jedi in Palpatine quarters to place him under arrest. Of course the Jedi were killed and Anakin's fall to the Darkside was complete. Palpatine sent Anakin to hunt down the rest of the Jedi. Obi Wan finds out and tells Padme what Anakin has done. He also finds out that Padme is pregnant. When Anakin comes back to see Padme he had discovered Obi Wan was on ship Padme was on. He senses that Obi Wan had betray him and they both square off in a duel. At the end Obi wan cuts down Anakin but does not kill him. He leaves him behind. Palpatine of course would come to rescue Anakin. To save Anakin he created the mask and the armor that would allow him to breath. Hence the image of Darth Vader was born. It's interest that when Luke says in Return of the Jedi He sense good in him. Obi Wan says he 's more machine than man. In TFA Han says there is too much Vader in him referring to their son Ben. We know Luke helps his father and eventually brings him back. He was eventually redeemed . Han of course was not so lucky he was cut down by his son. But I think if there is to be any redemption there must be remorse. A sense of forgiveness. Specially from Ben Solo's father Han. The second is the ultimate self sacrifice . To face off the ultimate evil. This may result in Kylo Ren/ Ben Solo's death. Sometimes that's what redemption means. But we have to see what happens. If ben Solo is to be redeemed he should look in the mirror at his own father. When we meet Han in the Trilogy he is a selfish out for himself scoundrel . This was a result of betrayals of the people he considered his friends. HIs parents left him alone orphaned. A sense of abandonment. In the end he had one true friend Chewie who stood with him. At the end of the original trilogy he completed his redemption that the friends and the woman that love did not abandoned. him. He went from Selfish to selfless. But there is also one more redemption that will redeem father and son. Ben's Redemption may be key. We'll see.
Yessssss right on the Reylo Money
Ben has nothing to redeem himself for.
ok
Villains are the hero of their own stories.
And also while we’re at it someone should use “St Elmo’s Fire” somewhere in the movie please and thank you
Woo-hoo!!!!
Wait till his dads friends shows up. Over 50 years Han , and Lando made lot of friends mercenary, pirates, I kinda even look for hell's angels show up. Lol. And Rityus will give Ben problems too.
Im watching this after rise of Skywalker and he was right
Bro your pretty good
Haha thanks 🤷♀️
A lot of this correct.
Ren is just Disney's replacement for the title of Darth within the Sith
Actually it refers to a code that The Knights of Ren follow. The Ren was a type of lightsaber that the old Master before Kylo wielded.
Episode 9 is called “Rise Of Skywalker”
Luke is Dead
Carrie Fisher has passed on, so Leia would most likely not show up much
Rey is definitely not a Skywalker
Ben is the only Skywalker left, so hopefully Ben would turn back to the light side
Been waiting for this sweet sweet man juice.... annnnnnd self banning
No don't go we need you and your wisdom
Miranda Alicea awww thanks you’re sweet
When I look back at this video, he got a lot right lmao
The helmet is to imitate vader
It's a requirement of the knights of Ren.
And that
PROOF THAT KYLO WILL BE REDEMED: go to the final trailer....
Alright Nosfuratu
Sorry, I am just not seeing Kyle Ron as a true villain, but neither is he a true hero. He is just some lost "kid" -- not a man of 29 or 30. He wallows in his tantrums but wants respect and for people to fear him. What he's really after is attention and approval from his parents.
I think your actually kind of right. But to me, what makes him dangerous and obviously a wannabe villian is the fact he has committed heinous crimes. But, he's trying to be badass. Rather than actually being badass. If that makes sense?
In his defence he's never really grown up due to trauma and neglect. Even though his parents loved him unconditionally they weren't really in his life. Again it's why he's always looking to false father figures like Vader or Snoke. Similar to how Rey looked to Luke and Han as father figures.
Great character, but not necessarily a great villain.
Oddly, don't disagree! I think he's like the brooding wannabe. But it makes me dig the new take on conflict and the Darkside.
He's more of an antihero than a villain, and that's ok.
I eagerly await for TROS to subvert TLJ shill fans and I will enjoy it