Garmin Venu 3 & 3S : Scientific Test
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Timestamps:
00:00 Quick Intro
01:05 Heart Rate Test 1 : Indoor Cycling
05:58 Heart Rate Test 2 : Running
08:22 Heart Rate Test 3 : Outdoor Cycling
11:26 Heart Rate Test 4 : Weight Lifting
15:18 Sleep Test
20:03 Sleep Test : Comparison w/ Other Watches
22:43 GPS Test
26:33 SpO2 Test
28:58 Limitations
29:23 Recommendations & Conclusions
The Garmin Venu 3 and 3s are surprisingly well-rounded smartwatches, and I would have no problem recommending them to some of my friends. However, my systematic testing did reveal a number of limitations of this watch, and these might be deal breakers for some of you. In this video we are going to scientifically test the heart rate tracking performance, sleep stage tracking accuracy, GPS consistency and oxygen saturation measurements of the Garmin Venu 3. This is the video many of you have been waiting for, so let’s get to it!
Hello everyone, for those of you that are new to the channel, my name is Rob and I am a postdoctoral scientist specializing in biological data analysis. In this video I will dive straight into the testing. However, if you want to find out more about the detailed specs of this watch, Garmin has a very good website that lists all details. The only really important thing to mention is that the Venu 3 has Garmin’s latest generation sensor set. But that’s all I wanted to say before we get to the systematic testing, and I want to start off with the heart rate tracking performance, which I tested on myself with the Venu 3 and on Theresa with the 3s. I tested the heart rate tracking performance during a total of 7 indoor cycling workouts, 3 runs, 21 bike-rides and 10 weight lifting sessions!
But, what is my final conclusion on the Venu 3. Well, I think that it is a solid all-round watch, with pretty good heart rate tracking, decent sleep stage tracking and good GPS tracking. Only the oxygen saturation measurements disappointed me a bit. The Venu 3 also has very good battery life compared to many of the other watches out there, lasting up to 26 days, so it is really a very good all-rounder, but it also doesn’t dazzle with its performance in any particular category. So, taking all of that into account, I’d give the Venu 3: 3.5 to 4 out of 5 stars. - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
Way too much cost for middling hr accuracy. If hr isnt accurate then it skews any other relative info such as body battery etc making it just pointless. Thanks for the review and info.
The absolute most of your day is probably not hard core exercise which the review only tested, and even if, I would not believe it missing the extreme peaks sometimes would have any affect on body battery.
@@snowyfall753maybe so. However if I’m paying over 450$ I would want a device that got hr rate right during hard exercise and at rest. Vo2 calculation and heart rate recovery would be affected by inaccurate hr if this watch is able to record that. Apple hr is excellent and the se is much cheaper.
@@snowyfall753I agree that general trends are really the biggest metric guiding health and fitness, and not the extreme exercises. However, if that’s the case cheaper options are available. But the offset hr means offset calories, and if there’s one simple thing ppl use fitness trackers for it’s losing weight. In that regard, not having a good measure throughout the day and for workouts means it’s difficult to accurately account for eating. Basically it’s not good for extreme athletes. Not ideal for daily tracker. And not robust enough a smartwatch for that crowd. It’s a good watch with an identify crisis
For workouts you'll take the check strap anyways if you want to use the metrics
@@E620SE
No i would just pick a watch with better HR Accuracy 😂😂
Such as Apple Watch or Huawei Watch.
I received my Venu 3 yesterday (not the S), I tested it today with my Polar H10 belt on a treadmill for an hour doing interval training. The error was one beat most often, two beats less often, and three beats quite rarely. Four beats difference, I didn't see any! So if I had listened to you, I would not have bought this watch, I was wise not to. Sorry for my English, I use a translator.
so, you like the watch venu 3?
Of course@@ventorro8055
Did you test cycling by any chance?
No.@@MrWebsteros
I have the same results I wore a polar 10 chest strap and my epix gen 2 pro. One or 4 beats difference while biking indoor and outdoor. I had the same results when running outdoors.
We need more data to conclude things... Can you ask Theresa to wear the same watch and compare? Physiology does play a major role in HR accuracy. DCR reviewed the HR and GPS and they were pretty spot on for him. That doesn't mean one of you are wrong, it just means we need more data.... As Apple watches lead your chart, why not wear the apple watch on the other wrist for every test you do, in that case we can understand more. Kudos to you :)
Dc rainmaker also isn’t a scientist
@@cristobalbalenciaga7295 I never said he is a scientist.
@@prk3437 I never said that you did.
You have to account for an x-axis shift when comparing heartrates with polar. The whole curve should be allowed to be shifted left or right to maximize R2. Otherwise you can have an absolutely perfect device that lags just a few seconds, which is irrelevant to its overall performance, but will have a low R2 in your test. This is a no brainer.
yeah but still it's a 500$ watch designed for fintess/wellness that misses almost every peak in the hearth rate. I mean, apple watches aren't built for that but still they are better than everyone else, it's pretty unconfortable
@@matteobortolasi1918 this is not related only to this particular watch, just something that should be done in general to produce reliable comparisons. And it would not help for missing peaks, it would help if peaks and other features are there but slightly offset. On steep slopes, a slight shift in phase results in very high disagreement even though the curve may be the same shape.
Had the same thought
i would add that bland altman plot would be a great addition to Rob's data. Because correlation alone doesnt tell us full story.
I am very thankful for the work you put in to make this content and give us accurate reviews and measures of the performance of todays wearables. I have not found any other youtuber performing tests on this level, so cudos to you man! You have become my go-to guy before I consider investing in new health related wearables, since I value accuracy and not just looks or functions.
Kudos...not cudos 😅😅😅
Rob. Your videos are fantastic. It is interesting to see all these watches compete on features, with the validity of data almost disregarded. You are about the only one to provide information on accuracy. Thank you!
A few questions - in some videos you test the step counting. Is that something no longer worth testing?
Does the frequency of HR sampling matter much ? Some watches sample multiple times per second, others only every few minutes.
The whitings scanwatch 2 seems interesting (and more accuracy focused?). But you were not impressed with first version. Any plans to review the scanwatch 2?
Thanks for all the hard work.
I went with this watch because i wanted excellent battery life and ECG capabilities. I've been very happy with it. Yes, it was a bit spendy... But only having to charge it once every 7-10 days is very valuable to me. I don't need super perfect tracking data. General data is interesting enough for me.
Does it have ECG and temperature?
Rob the Venu 3s seems way more accurate than the Venu 3. How come you only posted the sleep results for the 3 and not 3S? The 3S deserves it's own video because according to this video it seems to be the most accurate HR tracker on android you've ever tested, maybe only slightly beaten by the pixel 2. If the sleep tracking on the 3S is pretty good then it would be the only android contender to the pixel 2. I think there are a lot of people like me trying to decide between the pixel 2 and Venu 3s and would really appreciate a solid 3s video to lock in their decision
Excelente!!👍
Hi! Thanks for commenting! Because of the time I could spend on this I had to make some choices. Most of my audience (95%+) is male, and much more likely to get the Venu 3 --> so I testing this on myself (male), and the 3s on Theresa (3S). In an ideal world I would also have tested the 3s on me and the 3 on Theresa, but this just wasn't feasible unfortunately. But I agree this would have been nice
Hi Rob. Thanks for this review👍👍. Please tell me when there will be a full review of the Pixel watch 2??😊
@@TheQuantifiedScientist I understand why you couldn't do the 3s at the time but could you make another video focusing on the 3S? And what do you mean the 3 is for men and the 3s is for women? If you are talking about size then the 3S is almost exactly the same size as the Pixel watch 2. If you are giving the pixel 2 so much effort then I think you need to give the same time to the 3s. It's basically the same size and basically the only real contender in terms of HR accuracy (possibly).
Are you testing also the S on you? In my opionion, after all these tests, your wrist "works" better with smaller watches.
So I have a Venu 3 and 100% agree with this review and felt like I was seeing/feeling the same things your data shows! I had bought the watch as a fitness/lifestyle watch and for workouts use a heart rate strap.
E sobre o rastreamento do sono, nao ficou decepcionado? É um importante para dizer como foi seu dia. Ele vem com "coach" do sono e não condiz com o prometido.
@@davidmdsam7714 yes I am a little disappointed with the sleep coach. The light sleep vs awake time is something that I'm hoping gets fixed since it also makes nap detection sometimes miss short naps.
Hi TQS
Thanks for your video. Which firmware version are your tests made on. The current version now is version 8.25, and I wonder if the heart-rate measurement is getting better as the versions numbers progresses? Meaning that Garmin is correcting this heart-rate measurement, that could be better 🙂
Dude, your videos are amazing! I love all the data and time you put in these high quality video's!!
Thank you Rob for this quality work. I have two questions. Why do I not see any tests on Suunto watches and why the tests relating to GPS are not made with precise measurements and shown with comparison tables like you do for heart rate sensors, for oxygen or for the sleep?
I really would love to see you do a review on the mobvoi Ticwatch pro 5. Keep up the good work and all the best to you.
Aside from your very good review, I can encourage everyone to try your watch against an ECG chest strap if you have the chance. I've tried multiple watches during my HIIT workouts (all of the watches worked well for long runs) and it turned out the Garmin Vivosmart 5 was the most precise repeatedly - likely due to having the best fit on my thin arm. It's great that you included Theresas data into your review, because the sensor precision can vary considerably between different people.
Thanks for sharing! Yes, there is large person-to-person variation, and I am working on a way of getting more diverse data for some wearables :-)
Could you do a review for Garmin Vivoactive 5?
I'm interesting in sleep tracking and I'm between this one and a Fitbit Inspire 3.
Hi Rob, just checking in on the UltraHuman ring test status. With distribution growing in the EU, I'm keen to finally pull the trigger either on it or the AW. Any updates would be helpful, thank you!
Thanks for this one Rob. I returned my Pixel Watch 2 because it doesn't broadcast heartrate to my bike computer so I was eagerly awaiting this review!
Great review, thanks for the detail, and especially thanks for adding results from Teresa and the 3S. Women's physiology and the smaller size and weight on the watch makes most reviews inapposite for my use case. I just picked up the 3S this week, and my subjective experience lines up with what you report here. A bit pricey compared to similar functioning in the Venu 2S, but I am appreciating the new features currently not available on the previous generation watch. Love your channel!
Planning on doing a "Scanwatch 2" review? Any approximate date of when that video will be ready? Would love to hear your take on it. 🙂
Amazfit Balance next please
I've used Venu 3 for a month now and I am happy with it, the roll out of skin temperature just have to happen first and then it will fully replace my Oura ring 2.
how is it working after 4 5 months now? how is battery, how often you recharge? any downsides you found?
Cant judge battery, as I do not let it run out until I charge it, its more a random happening. Since my post skin temperature is available in the app and I have not used my Oura ring since.
Never liked the assistant functionality so I have turned that off, also turned off taking calls on the watch.
Overall, I am happy with it.
Thanks for the review. Which one you can recommend for sport exercise tracking, HRV monitoring? Suunto race, or Venu 3S, or Polar V3?
Great review - will you be doing the new Garmin Vivoactive 5 (please)
Interesting that HR accuracy is similar and even slightly worse in many tests than the Venu 2. Had expected more from the new sensor combined with a 45 mm case, at least same level as the big Fenix/Epix. But confirms my decision to stay with the old Venu 2, which I got for less than half the price.
New sensor is not the only thing that's important for HR accuracy. Strap and backplate material are also very important. I.e. nylon strap will give better accuracy than silicon strap because of tighter contact between skin and sensor. Same as polymer backplate usually has better readings than metal one.
I was really hoping for this Garmin to have better heart rate/sleep tracking since I've decided not get another Fitbit after my current Charge 4; Fitbit's business model that makes you pay a monthly fee to access a full set of your OWN data is beyond ridiculous, and their trackers aren't the most reliable either (I've had problems with mine that the laughably incompetent Fitbit support failed to address). Apple watch seems to be the best option out there, which means I'll need to keep my current iPhone 12 mini just to use the Apple watch even after I've moved back to Android, which I'm planning to do when the Samsung S24 is released!
Fitbit unlocked raw data that used to be behind a paywall. You don’t need to pay premium to see anything special.
@@Pohmetolog Haven't heard about that, but even if true, it's obviously no substitute for having your 'premium' data readily available on the Fitbit app along with the rest of your data.
@@sammyt3514 so far the only thing you get with premium is a chart of resting heart rate during your sleep (can be viewed in another chart without the premium) you get a readiness score and a sleep animal that’s about it.
What are you talking about ? Didnt you see how fucking great the watch was on Theresa or did you just completely ignored that part? Accuracy is highly individual.. aw2 ultra is absolute hot garbage on my wrist but polar vantage 4 and epix 2 pro are fantastic compared to ecg, spot on even on HIIIT.. so try for yourself instead of making conclusions of another persons results
Thanks for the new video - always appreciate the in-depth scientific approach. Is the Zmax overly sensitive or have you ever considered looking into your REM fragmentation?
Fiquei analisando os resultados e comparei com o resultado do pixel watch 2, e percebí que o tamanho pode ser um diferencial no resultado. O pixel watch 2 é menor e saiu muito bem e o venu 3s teve resultado melhor que sua versão maior. Vi também agora em outro canal no YT que o tamanho do relógio pode influenciar na leitura da FC e consequentemente nos resultados. Isso tem relação? Tamanho vs precisão? 🤔🤔🤔 o que acha?
Acho que não, o GT3 Pro é enorme e era considerado preciso, assim como o GT RUNNER.
Do you have your ranking docs accessible anywhere?
Hello Rob
I am looking for a new activity and health watch for Android.
Now I'm hesitating between the Pixel Watch 2 and the Venu 3 which one would you recommend?
According to your tests, the Pixel Watch 2 is better in all areas, but you were only able to test it for 1 day.
Or do you have longer experience?
Woww, nice video, it's interesting the trill of what will be your next smart watch for testing and the results!!!
Will you do the Vivoactive 5?
Thank you so much for your work to bring some scientific clarity into the discussion of the best smartwatches. I would love to see u testing some Polar Watches. For example the Polar V3.
Came back to see the 3s data one more time--maybe you can run the same tests on yourself with this watch to standardize the physiological and number of data points? If the Venu 3S consistently performs in line with Teresa's results, it would be among the best watches, particularly for Android.
Any plans to test the new Polar Vantage and Suunto Race?
Vivoactive 5 please...
Thank you for you review ! What about HUAWEI Watch 4 Pro ?
Awesome video.
I have issue with the Venu3 sleep tracking, similar to yours, but a lot worse. I spoke with Garmin Rep, and reported that their Awake Sensitivity is too high, maybe an option to reduce can help. They said no option for it, and said maybe I'm just super active at night, so the watch consider I am awake.
I don't have those head strap to proof result, but I used Fitbit Charge 6 on same arm to get "Hopefully" same result.
Fitbit shown a lot better result, closer to what I feel and remember on the awake moment or time. While the Garmin Venu3 will still show around 50% of my sleep as awake. (Fitbit consider 8% while Garmin said 50+% of the sleep duration.)
I think Garmin should look at your video and really consider that they should have an option to tune down the sensitivity of Awake stage during sleep tracking.
Btw, I am curious. For logging, have you tried to force it into record "Every Second"? I am thinking your delay in lower HR on workout is due to the smart logging feature delayed your recording. When it detect or consider you are in work out or such with High HR, the smart logging will move into Every Second recording. That may result in your "Delayed" compare to the chest strap.
Vale a pena comprar o Venu 3? Ou você iria para outro?
For me it’s opposite. Awake Sensitivity is too low. 3S here.
Hello Rob, thanks for your great work 😍You have never tested Suunto watches it seems. Very recently the Suunto Race came out, it's a great watch (navigation with an amoled screen...) but some say that the HRF is quite bad on it. It would be great if you could bring some data to the debate, no ? 😉
Suunto Race: bad HRF accuracy, bad gps, huge lags. Take Huawei.
It appears that you added the wake segment to the average on the Gamin Vivomode Sport, unlike other watches
Would this review be a good proxy for the Garmin Vivoactive 5?
Any idea how this would compare with the Ticwatch Pro 5?
Many other channels have said it's online with Garmin watches like this and the Apple watch. Curious what you would find...
will there be a full video review follow up for the pixel watch 2?
Can’t wait for the review on the Fitbit charge 6 and Scanwatch 2.
Seems like the Venu 2 for under $300 is a better buy than the Venu 3 for $449 at this point. Where do you feel the Vivoactive 5 fall with these options?
Thank you for the review again, Rob. I know we could count on you to do the complete review.
Thanks so much!
Interesting that the 3S performed better. I’ve always bought full sized Garmins and then ended up returning them because they’re not comfortable and I’ve noticed gaps in the HR data. I’ve then bought the “S” versions and have found them comfortable and the HR data gaps disappear.
I did this for the Vivoactive 4 and the Forerunner 265. My hypothesis is the lower weight and smaller size help keep the sensor in place.
Smaller maybe a better fit on the wrist giving more accurate measurements?
Venu 3 isnt that big or heavy - any Garmin watch has been trash on Robs wrist since the channel launched. Its individual how accurate an optical heart rate sensor is, so Garmins is just not good on Rob. Great on Theresa tho
Please do a test video for VO2 max results from Apple Watches (ideally series 6-7 and later) against many other watches that you own.
I got the Apple Watch Series 9 41mm because according to these stats it should be one of the best at sleep tracking. Guess what? It wasn't and I am returning it. I was awake but in bed until late almost every night since I got it and it would consider I was sleeping when I wasn't! I was even moving and went to the toilet a couple times... NOTHING. I don't understand how the tracking is that well rated when for me at least wasn't as accurate as expected. I configured it according to Apple's instructions and nothing worked to get the expected results. I was complaining about my old Garmin Venu SQ because it wasn't accurate, and I expected a lot more from the Apple Watch, but that wasn't the case.
Hello. When will there be a review on Huawei Watch 4 Pro?
For the hight price of a Garmin I thought it would do better with sleep tracking.
However Garmin is one of the few that doesn't force a subscription, so there is that.
Great as always! 💪 Can you test casio dw-h5600?
Would u recommend wearing this Watch to check if you have sleep apnea ?
Anychance of getting a review of the Scanwatch 2 🙏
Yesss, waited for this review for a while! thank you!
Glad this came after the new Pixel review, it seems like the venu 3 is a subpar product in the same price range sadly..
P. S. I have to say as an unrelated side note, in the video where Theresa does bent-over rows it seems she doesn't hold the barbell deep enough in her hands (which probably creates more tension on the fingers) and may lead to tendonitis, especially with heavier weights, please be careful with that!
Amazfit Balance pls next bro iam curious to see the work of new biotracker 5.0 🙏🏻
Nice video, thank you
Hello, do you think you will test the XIAOMI WATCH 2 PRO in the near future?!
Thank you in advance!
WHy didnt you compare the running accuracies this time?
Looking at all these videos, I am confused now. Which is the best health tracking watch in the range of 250-300 USD? Battery should last for atleast 1 week
Do you plan to test the Vivoactive 5?
Please do an extended test on the Pixel Watch 2. I'm so curious if the sleep-tracking is as good or better then the Apple Watches. 😃
Same. I was hoping the google and fitbit watches would get a similar treatment as he gave to the apple watches last month. hopefully that means more data being collected!
I really doubt it would be better than Apple watchs...
at least it can record the nap, apple didn't care hehehe@@roadguide123
Will do!
Yes and can you make a review for ultrahuman ring
Where is the full review of the Garmin Forerunner 255? I saw it in the comparison chart but I didn't find the complete video. Thanks!
I recorded it, but never edited it.😅 Not sure it is worth working on still...
I have a sort of a unique question, if anyone can clarify -
So, I have a smartwatch like Venu 3 for example - I pair it to my personal phone (Android) and install their app, and just use the watch normal, let it track whatever. But while at work, I'd like to connect it to my work phone (iOS) to take calls or see notifications. When it's connected to my work phone, will the health tracking start all over again or will it continue as it is?
can you please test the "Polar Ignite 3" :3 i want to know if the sleep/ hart tracking is good
Baseline pulseOx saturation levels seem really low for both the watch & the test standard instrument. (My Venu 2 sucks for Ox sat compared to my other pulseox testers).
There’s a new Redmi watch 3. I wonder how much is improved from the previous one.
Please do a review on the Garmin 265! ❤
Will you review new Garmin ECG heart monitor accuracy on fenix etc vs apple?
one question please - for how many days did you wear this watch continuously and how does the battery life of this watch affects the continuous data gathering for a daily user versus other better graded watches that have less battery life and have to be charged more often ?
Can you please do a more in depth review of the Fitbit Charge 6? Thank you so much, I love your videos because you are very professional and clear!💪♥️
Thanks so much! ❤️ Working on it!
@@TheQuantifiedScientist You are the best, that's why I recommend all my friends to follow you.💪
May we have a review of Xiaomi watch s1 series and Xiaomi watch 2 pro? ^^
How about Amazfit Balance? This has a new OS version Zepp OS 3.0
Can you review the Garmin Vivoactive 5, your reviews are very informative and I'm considering the Vivoactive 5
Need a detailed review for Google pixel watch 2...
Hey I love your videos. Could you review the ScanWatch 2? Thanks so much and have a great day!
I think the problem is with the watche's contact to your arm. You should use an Ace bandage to hold it snug to your wrist and do a set of tests to see if that boosts the accuracy of the readings.
I was considering this because of ECG capabilities. I guess HR measurements Rob did would imply the Venu 3 isn't as good as others like apple that have that capability. Anyone using for that?
ECG is something you try once and never again (I'm a Venu 3 owner)
Can you please retest the epic gen2 with the latest software please…
Will you please test CMF Watch Pro?
Could you do a review on the new Polar V3?🙏🏼
nice video, hope to see Polar Ignite 3
damnn one of the best into the details review i have ever seen in my life :) ! subscribed !
Can you please review the ultrahuman ring air which is a smart ring and similar to Oura smart ring.
Thank you for your work.
I'd like to request that HRV is regularly tested on devices.
Thank you.
Can you do a: what is the best watch end off 2023?
Yes, great suggestion! will do something similar :-)
Is it just the battery and size difference between venu3 and venu3s
Are you still planning to do the pixel watch 2 full review?
Yes, already collected a lot of data!😊
Excelente!!!🎉
I bought the watch Venu 3, 10 days ago. And I have a problem. I have checked all the settings several times. The sound works for messages and apps, but it doesn't work when someone calls the cell phone, then the watch just vibrates without sound. I think this is a serious failure by Garmin. I am thinking whether to return the watch or contact the service. Or should I wait for an upgrade? What do you think?
The HR agreement for Theresa might be more effective due to her lack of arm hair.
It could be interesting to shave the skin beneath the watch sensor to observe potential differences.
Additionally, an engaging experiment could involve testing whether the sensor's performance varies with brown versus blond hair.
i was thinking bout this aswell
Hey Rob, thank you very much for this in depth analysis! A quick question: is the Venu 3s significantly better than the 2s when it comes to sleep tracking? I am looking for a replacement of my Fitbit Luxe, which broke after only 1.4 years. Sleep tracking is important for me, but an Apple Watch is not an alternative due to limited battery life.
Plz give us a review for ticwatch pro 5
Nice. Wanted to save money and got the Venu 2s before watching this video. It's awesome to know it ranked higher than the Venu 3s, which was significantly more expensive. Thanks Rob
can you do a review on the amazfit bip 3
Nice to include another person for the test!!! Why so much difference between both of you? 😮😮😮😮
I wish I knew :-)
@@TheQuantifiedScientist I have just received the hw watch 4 pro and results are different from the charge 4 and the miband 6...i don't know which to trust😭... But I really love the huawei and all the metrics and features
Your results seem different between results from DC rainmaker and Desfit?
I think it has to do with him having a small wrist.
Thanks for video! What I don’t understand is that garmin is a professional fitness device and Apple Watch is smartwatch so how it comes it’s better than garmin ?
Sem falar que esse modelo vem atualizado com sensor de 5⁰ geração! Ultima versão. Deveria bater de frente com apple watch S9! Mas perdeu feio...😢
@@davidmdsam7714 which language it is ?
Português - Brasil! 😄
@@davidmdsam7714 ah okay, translated. Yeah, I’m surprised that Apple Watch beats it
Dear Rob, could you please test the newest amazfit-balance watch😃
Garmin wearables are seriously overpriced. Inflated price alone attracts a lot of people who think they are buying something special. No amount of tests will deter these people
Can you please test the amazfit balance?