Defence ministry on its way to finalising Rafale-M deal-- Here's why it's both good & bad news
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- With plans to be integrated with most other indigenously designed aircraft, it makes sense for India to push for integrating the Uttam AESA radars with Rafale-Ms.
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Good presentation but some observations....
1) Rafale is not the only European fighter with AESA radar, Eurofighter's CAPTOR E is a better AESA radar with mechanical maneuvering capability and Gripen E's RAVEN is also an AESA radar.
2) Uttam AESA and its Virupasha variant will be used in Tejes 1A, Tejas2 and the "Super" Sukhoi upgrade.
3) Not using Uttam AESA is GOOD news. Integrating a radar system is not just a matter of plug and play as the new radar will need several years worth of testing and certification, which we cannot afford.
4)Astra 1 is the only variant that has been inducted into the airforce.
5) Astra Mk2 is still in testing phase and may not be inducted in numbers for another 2 years.
6) Astra Mk3 has not even been tested from a flying test bed and is years from induction and production
7) Ukraine has not asked for any Rafales nor has France pledged any to Ukraine so how will Rafale production be affected by Ukraine conflict other that the general supply chain issues?
Agree with all your points!!
I was about to comment at least 5-6 of them, when I saw your comment...! Good thing I did! Saved me a lot of time!🤣🤣
P.S.: My only gripe would be, that with these many errors, misinformation or/and lack of context, I'd not categorize this as a 'good presentation'! That was quite generous of you!🤣🤣
I agree with most points but the last one .....Ukraine war will definitely affect the production as many of the European countries are shipping their older planes to Ukraine ....so fill back the number they will need newer planes mostly almost exclusively from western countries including France secondly many country will expedite their negotiation for planes seeing an ongoing conflict thirdly the supply chain will get busy as many of the common spares or rigs will be busy
1.Uttam Aesa has been in development for quite a while and is being rolled out at the moment. Further defence acquisitions need to have a long term vision, hence having your own systems is integral
2. Astra mk 2 is being inducted currently as it is not much different than the mk 1
3 mk3 in all probability has already been tested with the agni 5 v2, if not true flight taka will be fine this year itself with induction from the end of next year or 26 onwards
4 the Ukraine war has sucked in manufacturing capability that has been repurposed for the conflict and the immediate requirements . Leading to shortage of components and bottleneck issues
we buy airfraft for 30-50 years of life span so once Astra mk1 got intregrated then mk2,mk3 can be intregrated in near future.even in covid timies france had supplied rafale on time so we should not compare our(HAL) lame back attitude
Crisp, precise, accurate!
Really good explanation… best presentation on Defence issues so far by this anchor. Well structured and clear presentation. Much better than the other so called defence experts. Good analysis of domestic and international issues.
The government of India and Indian Navy has chosen the right bird at right situation.
Dassault Aviation Rafale Marine version is the apt and strike performance eagle to protect Arabian Sea, Indian Ocean and Bay of Bengal.
This bird is very powerful 🎉.
It's choice for maritime reconnaissance and operational activities 😊
Swati ji,
Please use simple words like "associated" for the benefit of larger viewers, instead of uncommon words like "concomitant". Hope you don't misunderstand.
Comprehensively explained
Excellent explanation and information
Good content
Agree with you 100%
TEDBF is important for Navy.
says who ?
😂 but when ??? In 2070
It's a resource diverter from the amca program
It is better to focus all energies on amca and develop a carrier variant of amca like the usa did with f35c
@@firohot5476 Maintaining stealth fighter would be nightmare for navy. The weather conditions at sea are rough. Anyway why don't you feel IAF should drop MWF and just go for ORCA that would be much better. Why should navy compromise it's requirement to fund a project which itself is not freezed yet. IAF is already doomed.
@atharvzemse6599 stealth is even more important for naval aviation then iaf as it would have small number of platforms and more exposed at seas so stealth jets will increase survivability and mission success
That's why UK kept non stealthy euro fighters for af but stealth f35 b for carrier
With just 26 Rafale M , too much experementation is undesired...we have Aircraft carieer without Aircraft is more dangerous! Rafale M is sufficently superior to meet our requirement, until Twin engine deck based aircraft gets developed at home! let Uttam Radar be proved, we can always replace during midlife refits
ख़ाली बोतल
Good presentation. But some points need to be reviewed.
Astra mk3 is Indo-Russian product.
Aesa radars have been installed in Gripen Es.
Astra uses Ramjet tech.
Uttam is not an indigenous radar. It uses Israeli tech.
Dassult cannot achieve its targets because they do not allow manuf beyond French borders (critical tech).
India is trying to optimise its resources by choosing Raf-M because we already have the maintenance facilities for IAF's Rafs. Our carriers too cannot adapt to the US jets. Tejas N version proved ineffective N hence India will have to rely heavily upon Raf Ms. Hopefully, once these french birds fly, we can learn and reverse engg the tech and improvise our Tejas N
1. Rafale was the first european fighter with aesa radar..but currently it is not the only european fighter with AESA..
2. Integrating Uttam radar with rafale wont make sense for navy for just a few fighter planes as it will be prohibitively costly due to the sensors fusion in rafale. Uttam radar will have to be made compatible with spectra ew suite. It will be time consuming and Its france..so any such modification will be costly
Much better delivery , much more normalised wording and articulation, your erudition is much appreciated but jab aam janta ko batate ho tab thoda saravjan bhasha ka upyog is obviously preferred! Your earlier videos were way too academic in delivery and articulation and even delivery attitudes .. it’s more friendlier and easier to digest now !
Please keep at it and we’ll look forward to seeing you soon and more often .
A radar that's currently not being used by any fleet of fighter aircraft of IAF, we expect it to be integrated with the most sophisticated and modern platform we have?
That's a simple no, first integrate it with the existing fleet of Tejas and Sukhoi, take feedback from IAF and improve it and then you can think of integrating it into rafales...
We all know what DRDO/HAL claim and what they actually give😂😂😂
Very well explained.
indian navy is the best, they really keep up to thier words. airforce vale kab sudhrege
Air force is the primary ordnance delivery arm of the military. Obviously they have stricter demands. Navy primary weapons are ships and subs. Naval air wing is very small in size and the Indian military doctrine does not emphasize naval air warfare.
@@mverick5444 Which is unfortunate. India has often been called 'sea-blind'
Over the years there has been focus on the Army & Air Force (which is no bad thing, considering our wars have been fought in the north, north-west, east, north-east). However, it has been at the cost of the navy- which is problematic.
Good thing is, despite the relative neglect over the years visavis. the other 2 wings of the armed forces, we still have a big & capable navy. already. Thankfully someone back then must have had some foresight. Now its only getting better and extremely potent at a pretty brisk pace- relatively.
I am glad someone in the leadership has realised the potential and capabilities of a blue water navy and we are heading in the right direction with zeal - from the naval pov.
Naval air warfare is critical. Not only for power projection- because what good are your carriers without their carrier wing, but also to have the capability to unleash devastating power on a whim- far from your shores. Something an Air Force cannot do minus mid-air refueling.
This capability is something we are going to need more & more in the southern Indian Ocean region & god forbid if shit hits the roof- then in malacca.
Yes 26 rafale M's are just about bare minimum but considering they'r a makeshift arrangement till the TEDBF is ready to fly - it 'probably' makes sense. Probably because, the TEDBF is currently in design stage and given the efficiency, speed - or lack of it, care, or lack of it & general incompetence of our Babus, i really hope it sees the light of day within 7-8 years. Wishful thinking perhaps- but in the world of military acquisition, what isnt ?
Swasti need to learn few basics, Rafale is not the only European fighter aircraft which has AESA Radar, Eurofighter Typhoon has Captor-E and SaaB Gripen has Raven ES-05 AESA Radar. In Fact Gripen has option of GaN AESA which is most efficient type of AESA radar.
Jai Ganesa!!😂
You explained it far better than Alpha Defence
Excellent Dr Swasti,
No bulshit only kaam ki baat
Despite being a lone warrior u seems to beat much celebrity and well known media house and websites ....gr8 work
Great One After A Long Break Please Make A Episode Every Week
9:48 & 10:58 manufacturing units can be setup in India
West is unhappy as f16 and typhoon lost 😂
Swasti Rao , You Should Have Been with Rajnath Ji and Given Us a Better Deal By Your Grace 👑 and Logic 👍
Miss Rao ❤ You Are Real Beauty with Brain The Best in The Print after Shekhar Gupta Ji ❤
Thanks for super detailed report maam
Swasti Rao is close to palki, need little aggression.
India will buy them after 9 years at a price thrice than what it is today. It will be worth if engine critical technology is transferred
Nobody not even Russia will give the engine tech. for the hot section of the engine. The Indian engineers and researchers need to figure that out themselves.
@@r8rdarklordalso, french companies have a terrible history of signing deals with tech transfer, then changing something, asking for more money etc. they did it with india and the rafales before (promised to make the planes in india for the options and took it back so the further buys were cancelled), they did it with us in brazil with the mirages 2000 regarding maintenance, and now are doing it again with the nuclear sub project asking for more money.
india has A LOT more leverage than we have, of course, but they need to get a really good tied down contract. and even then.
the rafale is a great plane i hope everything goes well
If we are united, nobody can or dare to touch us.
Of course Rafael - Marine is Very good Aircraft for navy but Indian Airforce should consider Russian SU-75 Checkmate 5G offer with TOT and Entire Production line, it will be a great win win offer for india
Indigenization does not often delays the Defence procurement,the issue always delays it.
The colour her Saari making her face glow more and the green necklace is just cherry on the top. Simply GORGEOUS. Thank you print. And hey she stick to her natural accent which is the best part.
You come to hear news or see something else
Change the name of kaveri engine to Garuda which fly and not like river cauvery carry this message to defence ministry.
😂 😅
It is very costly rafale M, which we receive earlier, if we compare with previous Rafael deal😢😢
PAF was firing American Sidewinder missiles from Chinese built MiG-19 in 1965! Yes, American missiles from Russian/ Chinese aircraft...in 1965!
Where is Snehesh Alex Phillip ?
You are getting a little better but could have not dragged on and on into other irrelevant things when the title says something else. The Rafale-M beat the tried and trusted F-18; so its good news and no bad news at all
It’s the print. How do you expect them to talk well of bjp govt
Maam You Rock 👍 Please Make a Episode of " Indeginious Air to Air Missles "
Great improvement here this time . Nice articulation with simpler form to simpler masses .
Very eloquently explained.
Very well spoken, clear and to the point report...nice to listen
Awesome oration! Tons of info and directly on point. Kudos!
Very nice
Good analysis,much awaited, good luck Dr Rao , good job
Smart analysis which is well presented as usual
When india is buying Rafale M why can't they negotiate with France for the development of fighter jet engines with 100% technology transfer.
What is justification of this number 26+36 number of Rafael. When you need 300+100 with transfer of technology IPR. Our state of defence aerospace and weapons are in pathetic condition. With these situations we want to go for war. Just suck n see the situation faced by Russia and Israel.
Why we are struggling still hard for transfer of saffron engine technology to India after so much hype.
Because indian authorities are con/ning you. NO ONE will ever give 100% ToT. Not even 75%
Who will give 100 percent? NO ONE. Not even 75%. Your authorities have been lying to you.
Saffron engine technology? Did you mean Safran?
This presenter can go head-to-head against Palki without punches. Too bad she does not get enough exposure from Print. Palki should try to pry her away from Print.
First tell her to correct the factual inaccuracies in the video before uploading it on TH-cam and then go head-to-head against Palki.
She is Associate Professor in Manohar Parrikar Defence Study Institute, Delhi.
This habit of comparisons starts from childhood for most Indian. How irrelevant it is when one read so many informative comments here on this video.
@@Indus720 this habit (called bench marking) is the reason for our success. Thank God for that. It makes us competitive, and we kick ass. I am an Indian born US citizen and love India.
@@lordabhikingfisher8087 Lol, So you have no idea how it failed many Indians and how it causing massive inequality and unemployment, as you see this as benchmarking in comparing individuals and pitting them against each other.. No way you love India though 🙏
There is no Electronics Research & Development Establishment. It is Electronics & Radar Dev. Estb. (LRDE).
BAS terminologies bnane mein hi toh hum successful rhe hain😂😂😂😂
Some factually in correct points in this news article-
3:05 Rafale is not the only Europen Aircaft with AESA Radar. Eurofighter Typhoon and Saab Gripen varient also come with AESA Radar.
5:22 Astra Mk1 is in service, Astra Mk2 in trails and Astra Mk3 is in development.
Indian Navy and Indian Air Force both should go for Rafale to meet their current requirements with an understanding that Rafale Should be the last foreign aircraft we buy. All future requirement to be completed by indigenous aircraft.
hearing this kind of news for several months
reducing fighter aircraft shortfall from the targeted 42 squadron, is a good thing
the naval carrier borne Dassault Rafale M-4R multi role all weather interceptor is better suited to CATOBAR aircraft carriers . . . that feature a completely straight & flat CATOBAR flight deck from bow to stern & port to starboard . . . no ski-jump as in STOVL & STOBAR carriers . . . the STOBAR arrangement in carriers is nothing more than a compromise . . . a low cost solution & as a result it lacks capabilities of a true blue-water carrier strike group . . . the Indian Navy should have opted for a proper CATOBAR aircraft carrier . . . instead they ended up with a 44 year old rusted hulk of a (ex-Russian Navy) STOBAR carrier . . . that we now know as INS Vikramaditya (R33), an unexpectedly appalling decision . . . a couple of belly bulging Admirals decide the fate of the Indian Navy & no one can contradict their choice, even if the cigar puffing Admirals are wrong . . . and in this case they're very much wrong & for real . . . the U.S. Navy & Marine Nationalé are the only two navies that can deploy a proper carrier strike group as & when necessary . . . China's PLAN are close on their heels to boast multiple carrier strike groups after France & U.S. . .
Russian Weapon ( All Types ) are Real World Junks Biggest Proof is Russian Black Sea Naval Fleet 😮
Aunty, 1st time I listen a woman who decisions on defence ✌🏻
The Rafale F5 is the best option on the table - yes even assuming the F35 was an option. It has the capability to keep Chinese fighters at bay and most importantly, allows India - French relations to thrive, something that will keep the US - India relationship in balance.
Ashtra Missile Should beTested in Real Time
Who are trying to defend against? Build your own! Until then;
Dont talk about wars!
🤦 This deal will be very very Costly as Rafale design is based on Catapult aircraft Carrier. Whereas, Indian Carriers are Conventional Ski Jump. Moreover, Rafale is originally a fixed wing aircraft & It'll need to have a bendable Wing for Indian Carrier. Which means going back to engineering design board & definitely Dassault will tag a very High price for this.
The Rafales were tested by Indian navy from their aircraft carrier sometime last year. They Rafales were able to take off from the ski jumps, and they did fit inside the lifts although I think they had to remove the wingtip pylons
This video is quite informative for Viewers of Print, but viewers of Alpha Defense know everything she is telling, probably in much better detail. I am a viewer of both, but I'm just telling you that if somebody is in defense, you should watch Alpha Defense. While Print defense coverage is like Item #10 in the extended menu list. Of course, the priorities of Shekhar Ji and his Khan market gang are politics. Like many other sectors, defense will highlight the positive work of the last 10 years more and more, which doesn't go well in their political narrative-driven hit pieces.
I watch Alpha defense and agree with you 100%
Yup leftist goons calling themselves the pillar of democracy
AESA radar is highly dependent on the computer system, if you are using the french fire control system, with your own radar, you will have to basically rewrite the entire software that control the radar. it not plug and play. furthermore Rafale is a duel engine plane that has alot more power to play with, it doesn't actually make sense to downgrade the radar to one that is design to be powered by one engine... that is really likely the reason they drop it. there is no point using a domestic solution if it would degrade the capability of the platform.
Thanks for sharing our military secrets ma’am?
Beware the aircraft carrier Vikrant with Rafael parked on it will be sinked in Arabian Sea by Pakistan, I wish India to acquire this as soon as possible
why? what are the 'great' iit engineer degree holders doing?
We need research not just from iits. Our other colleges are a joke when it comes to research and case studies!
@@rajasekhar7951 exactly. and but yet the mainstream have set their benchmark at holders of ass wipe degrees.
All outside India due to reservations and discrimination. Also none patriotic
@@naturetruthseeker8377 i'm pretty sure not all, and whether in or out, i'm not sure how many of them are actual trail blazers as opposed to advancing frameworks already built by real trail blazers. many also who think they have arrived are just in dumb top management jobs.
IiTs are not considered good research schools globally
Nice and to the point details.. keep it up 👍👍
it is good deal for India having good defensive navy ability to thwart any attack on India via ocean. China is under pressure by U.S. Philippines Japan South Korea Australia but India will be able to defend it's coast no problem
This is an excellent explanation 👍
What makes this person qualified to speak on Airforce and Navy matters. She is not a military personal but voicing some wishy washy analysis.
Seems like the viewers of this channel are only interested in ogling at women and have zero defense insight. So that’s what is being provided here, leftist communist propaganda with a pretty face and in a language most people don’t understand but think it right just by virtue of being spoken in English
The prices of these Rafales has been raised a lot too much. India made a fatal mistake not ordering the aircraft on time as a part of a back to back previous deal .Just because of stupidity of our NSA who slept over the criticality aspect of its requirements the French are feeding on India's desperation over its requirements for the aircraft carrier. F35 WAS A BETTER STEALTH UNEXPLORED OPTION .MODI GOVERNMENT MISSED OUT ON PRIORITIES OVER DEVELOPMENT OF TEDBEF FIGHTER AIRCRAFT. INDIAN NAVY AND MINISTRY OF DEFENSE INCLUDING NSA ARE CULPABLE IN THE INDECISION PROCESS .MODI HAS KEPT A IDEOT NSA WHO HAS NON MILLITARY BACKGROUND. INDIA WILL CONTINUE TO PAY A HEAVY PRICE FOR A INCOMPETENT NSA WHO IS NOW TOO OLD TO HEAD THIS IMPORTANT DEPARTMENT.
Please do something about sound quality 🙏
That’s what negotiation means. Get and give
Swasti and Snehesh seem to have swapped their domain
The Astra missiles , does it work?
Soon™
Good going swasti rao
Thanks Swasti Mam. I enjoyed listening to your views.
- By Jay Desai
Key detail missing here- Europeans do have AESA radars. They do not have Gallium Nitride based radars, which we already have as Uttam. the ones offered by Thales is Gallium Arsenide based and it is older technology. Uttam is superior in terms of weight and power consumption and also provides better detection
I would say that it is best for India to stick to the Thales-produced AESA radar than going for any indigenous radar unless the superiority of the latter to the former is proven beyond any shadow of doubt or if their idea is to integrate ASTRA with the local radar in case ASTRA only works with the Uttam radar, and no I am not a foreigner but an Indian myself. So the integration delays might actually prove to be a blessing in disguise with respect to the Rafale-M, if the Thales radar is used in the end without any replacement.
I think our armed forces have also inherited the inefficiency of the British. Brits are having problems one after the other for their carriers and most of their submarines are out of action as well.
Swasti Rao brought in some fresh air in to the print. Very much refreshing .Well dressed in a Bharatheeya style looks lovely. Good pronunciation and a positive attitude .Starting to end with full of positive energy you did a wonderful presentation. Good luck to you and the print. Vande Mataram 👍.
The Air Force should have gone for additional 4 squadrons considering the delays in our indigenously built tejas . At least this would have brought down the cost of rafales by negotiating with Dassault and maybe they would have set up a factory along with an MRO
Indigenous is the only way forward
Arms import eco system includes journalists, media, politicians, DRDO officials, Buerocrats, and the famous Chandigarh lobby including serving and ex officials and babus!!
This is Indian equivalent of US military industrial complex!!!
Sig Ammo problem no problem, barrel bulge problem no problem, war, no problem, expensive maintenance no problem,
Self reliance lots of problem, Make in India import the knock down kits we will assemble them like lego kits and call it made in India no problem!!
1 jet 230 million wow 🎉
26 jet 6 billon euro 😂😂😂
Without Missles
all fighter jets deal needs to complete as soon as possible. why delay .
Delay happens cos after the deal the stupid opposition and media houses make hue and cry about corruption while being on the cheeni payroll themselves. The stupid Indian public believes all that bs and the govt goes into defensive mode while there are cases filed in the Supreme Court. Eventually the supreme court clears the way but not without scaring and humiliating the govt and the Air Force. This wastes critical time and ensures the govt bureaucrats are scared of making any further deals. Understood how the spy games are enacted in real life?
We can use Gan radars for aircraft.🙄
We need to finalize the jet engine deal with france at the earliest.
See the names of inter state bus services of Andhra Pradesh and Karnataka government buses. Like Indra, Garuda, etc. which doesn't have name like cauvery which will be keep flowing on the ground.
What's with all the name?
Does it even matter?
India should focus on getting things working first than fancy naming.
*Saaar we should spend our Indian rupees on developing our own aircrafts . Leys not forget we had aircraft thousands of years ago*
What YOU think doesn't matter, *what IAF thinks matters.* I'm sure they are trying and choosing the best under the given circumstances.
Meanwhile, france is developing super rafale, to be redy by 2030.
I really feel sory for you guys, India is a nation of highest number of poor people in the world than any nation, whereas India is spending billions of dollars to buy French made fighter aircraft. Please take care your unfortunates and the poor first then anythin else. Shame on you.
Do not buy defense equipments from Lotus Machine tools pvt ltd Chandigarh India. Their products are very very low quality. They are with other names: Lotus Defense and aerospace, Security Equipments, Future Technologies. RK Gupta(Father), Amit Gupta(Son)
This is the only video I hv ever liked of The Print only bcoz of No Nonsense ANTI-BJP propaganda but Genuine Informative video..
And Also bcoz of Beautiful Swasti Rao❤ u look beautiful 😍
Shouldn’t be paying too
much money to France . Shop around
This lady is gorgeous😍
What rubbish is she saying? Trying to cloak shsllow knowledge, by using jargon. Why does Print promote this?
Leftist media house cannot call good news as good news
Leftist media house trying hard to create doubts about a good news
Wring move its better to invest in your own programmes in long run such stopgap measures dosent help long term modernization and self reliance
uttam in tejas mkiA is coming after 40 th aircraft onwards that means literally after 3 years so how they want to fit in rafale marine
The Mig 29 k are not aging madam. They were specifically made for INS Vikramaditya. Kindly correct the information. Plus 5 mig 29 k out of 45 procured crashed since it's induction 2016 onwards. So these are only 8 yrs old. 🙏🙏
And its Thales not Thaalees,😅
It’s pronounced as thalés ;
thaal-ace.
Madam this is accurate info.
First, we should be glad we wont be filling another carrier with sub par Russian aircraft.
If we don't have enough brains to build a world class jet, our only option is to buy them...🤕🤕